Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Just got done reading the USA Today this morning, and see that they have a "tentative" release date for CD as November 25th.  No new information in the small write-up, which is one of 12 artist (including Metallica) who they identify as having a new album (or some other release) on the horizon to  help with their "surge in critical and popular acceptance".  Just thought that they actual put a date on the release, even if it is marked as tentative, was interesting.

BTW, does everyone expect radios to pick up Shackler's Revenge come Monday since it will have been released via RB2?

there are 0 tuesdays left in 06 and 0 tuesdays left in 2007... and 14 tuesdays left in 2008... so I guess this might be the year.

I like your logic...

I'm not sure if radio stations will start playing the song come next week.  I would think/hope so, but I don't know.  Is it common practice for radio stations to play songs off of video games, if they aren't officially released as singles?  I guess we'll find out.

in order fro them to do that they must have a LEGAL copy of the song,
otherwise c/d letters will be handed out most probably...

so in other words, It would most probably come out on itunes if it is on the radio.. (legally)

That is going to be the interesting part of this for me. We are so happy that a song is being "released" this sunday, but is it? In reality, a game is being released with 80 songs on it, and SR is just another song on this game. I for one, will not go out and buy an xbox just to hear this song which is already on the net anyaway. I remember when OMG was "released", I first heard it on the internet (thank God I dint go to jail for that crime) and I bought it the day the soundtrack came out. But that is basically where the excitement ended. No one ever mentioned it, never played on the radio, etc, so it was just another song on a sound track. I really hope this is the start of something this time, and we really get a song "released" this time. one that we hear legally on the radio and can purchase. Dont want it to be just another song out of 80 you can play in a game.

How can it be "just another song"?

I don't get it.


All this time it's been "release something!" and now it happens and you're still not happy?

It's impossible for it to be "just another song". It's a new Guns N' Roses song!

None of the other songs fall into that category!






/jarmo

mabye he just ment that if it isnt released as a single/radio play,
it will just remain as another song in the list of 80 songs as You cant legally own it/
enjoy it without obtaining it illegally...

Yeah, I know it's one of the songs in the game. Just don't get how a GN'R fan can claim it to be "just another song"...

They could make a video for it and it would be "just another video" you know?




/jarmo

That is exactly what I meant. I am very excited that a game contains a new gnr song. BUT, if I dont own the game, I hope I can still hear it LEGALLY. I hope this is the start of "and here is the new single from gnr"

Well they haven't announced it as a single.


And unfortunately for you, that doesn't have to be a bad thing.


It's like an appetizer.

You put out a song and the game will do the talking mostly.

People who never were into GN'R will hear the song.

Then when the main course arrives, they're hungry for more! :D



/jarmo

Except that if they were to release a video for the song, I think that would send a strong signal that they are in fact ramping up for something.  I'm excited about it, but at this point I can see the logic in someone drawing comparisons to Oh My God.

I see freddiebrph's point. I sort of hoped that with RB2 coming out in a few short days that we would have heard about a true release date for this song via iTunes or some other medium. This is a very small target audience overall getting this "exclusive" and this exclusive is very limited to ingame play... Short of being an overpaid rap star with and XBox360 in my pimped out Escalade it would be tough to listen to this in the car.

Don't get me wrong this is light years ahead of where we have been over the last few years (not counting the tour etc...) so I am like a kid on Christmas, but it would be nice to have this as a track available to put on my iPod.

Plus I selfishly wish this was available for my PS3 this weekend...

But it's not 1999 anymore!

I can't believe all this fucking moaning.....

I don't have an Xbox either!

It doesn't matter. There'll be a new song out in the public within days. That's amazing!







/jarmo

November 25 would be great...my baby boy is due that day!

And no, I already suggested Axl as a name, but the wife shot it down very quickly : )

Congratulations!  :)



/jarmo

You can't believe that GN'R fans are anxious to hear new GN'R music in regular rotation on radio stations everywhere ??? 

Hearing new music is always great, but there's just that pride factor in hearing it on the radio or seeing a video on TV and knowing that it's reaching so many ears.  I don't think what you're hearing is "moaning" at all. 

It would certainly be cool to hear a new GN'R song on the radio, as an official release at least :)

Ali

I can. But all this "it's like Oh My God".

No it's not....





/jarmo

I dont care if Shackler's is the first single or not only that it is the true start to the album being released.

Of course Mysteron did say it was gonna be the first single right?

SO with that logic, it has to be released to radio next week.

I agree. I hope they do an Itunes release sometime soon of it. I'd hate to have to buy a video game system just to listen to the song.

Lets hope thats the case! Would be great to listen to this song on the radio.  : ok:

What was said is fact.  Oh My God was released on a soundtrack and did not receive any airplay.  If you were to poll the members of this forum I'm positive the vast majority here would love to see Shackler's Revenge receive the airplay that Oh My God did not.  If it doesn't, then that one similarity between the two songs will exist.  And that will be the only similarity between the two (except for hopefully both songs rock, haven't heard Shackler's but IMO Oh My God is very under-rated).  I read back through the previous posts here and I just don't see the bitching and moaning or "here we go again" attitude that you're talking about - just fans hoping for more!

Oh My God was sent to radio!

The song isn't even out yet and people are already talking about how things were in 1999.


It just seems like people are always complaining about something and assuming the worst.




/jarmo

He didn't say it wasnt....
He just pointed out that stations did not play it, and he hopes SR WILL get airplay IF turned in...and HOPES it will be turned in...

Im sure Shackler's will get plenty of radio play.

Im not sure why anyone would still debate Shackler's

the next thing we need to speculate on, is "WHEN the video is coming!" : ok:

And I'm saying, the comparisons are pointless.

The only similarity is that both songs are by GN'R.  :hihi:


As far as we know, this is a song in a video game.

Maybe it's not supposed to be some big first single with a video etc.?

As I said, an appetizer. Something to enjoy and not over analyze until the end of the world....




See above.



/jarmo

For me, it all depends on if the song is good or not. If it's good than there will be excitement. If it sucks, than I'll be disappointed and it will be "just another song." Just because it's GN'R releasing a song doesn't give it any credentials that it will be a good song. That would just be very pre-mature in my opinion.

Wait.

So you think GN'R has songs that suck?

Wow.


Sure, I prefer some songs over others but I wouldn't say any of them suck..... I'm not a fan of bands who put out songs that suck myself.



/jarmo

Probably that is to be expected to be the case, it's just wishfull thinking i guess, maybe a fool's hope...but hope nonetheless :hihi:

Maybe they just want to release a song off the album that hasn't been heard before on a video game.  Then put out a single that people have heard at the concerts in 06-07.

I think the comment about SR being an appetizer is perfectly worded. Personally I?d like to see CD as the first single and SR acting as said above, as a new song that we can enjoy and that will hopefully introduce a new segment of the population to GnR and get people hungry for more.  As to the comment of the song?s potential quality I don?t think there is any doubt that SR is another quality track from GnR although how accessible it would be as the first single VS. others is debatable.

Yes, of course. There are a handful of songs that I simply don't like. Others may really enjoy the songs and that's cool. I just don't like them.

I don't have to like every single song put out by my favorite band. I can certainly still be a fan and not feel bad or feel ashamed that I don't like every single song.

What he said!! ^^

"The coming of Shackers Revenge is like the falling of small stones that starts an avalanche in the mountains"

I'm excited for SR, video game or radio or whatever.  But I really need the whole album to come out.

After all, we don't get the free Dr. Pepper just for a single.  It needs to be the whole album.

Ok.

As I said, my favorite artists, that I'm a huge fan of, don't have songs that suck in my opinion. And I always buy their albums on the day of release even if I haven't heard a single note from it....

So when there's a new album out, I listen to it and enjoy it. I don't look for things that are "wrong", like some critic.







You need oxygen, you need water, you need food....

You want the album, that's different.  :hihi:




/jarmo

Ditto, My World being a prime example IMO

Is Dr. Pepper not a food/water?  My getting one depends on the release of the whole album.  Therefore, I need the whole album.   :P

I don't think GN'R should be responsible for you getting to eat and drink.  :P



/jarmo

Well, i like lots of bands.. probly around 60 - 80 bands. But im wont call myself a fan of all. I can say i like them more or less.. and pic out the songs i really like, and the once i dont like that much.

10 of these bands, i may call myself a fan of. And among these there are some bands that i really care about. And these bands, i truly can say that i like all of theyr songs. But yea, you can still like one song more then another. But i never predict that i will like what this band will release in the future... Only time will tell..

It's not about listening to as song as a critic. It's simply about listening to a song and deciding what it does for me. Do I like it or not? Does it click with me?

You want to buy the album without ever hearing a note, that's fine Jarmo. I don't criticize your decision to do so. But I'm different. Yes, I am a GN'R fan but I'm not going to go buy the album not hearing any of the songs first. What enjoyment will I get if I buy the album and there's only one or two songs I like? It will be a waste of my money and I will not do that. And that does not make me any less of a fan.

Sure, GN'R want their money just like every one else. But I also want what I spend my money on to be worth it.

Hey, the economy is rough right now.     :-)

i often listen to records in the recordstore.. I understand your view. But some cd`s, i really dont need to listen to first. Because i trust them so much. But i love buying cds anyway
 :hihi:

So basically you have no faith that the band can produce material that is up to your standards.

It's the same with going to concerts. If one of my favorite bands play a show, I don't need to know what songs they play or whatever. I'm gonna go see the concert if I can help it.  :hihi:



Regarding GN'R. Spending $10 on a cd. What a loss.

Divide it by all the times you've wished there was a new album out and it's not gonna hurt you as much....





/jarmo

there is a handful of artists whose albums i buy without needing to hear a single note, with gnr being obviously one of them.

however that does not mean i will like all of the songs on these albums...

From some of the material I've heard so far, given that it has supposedly only been "rough copies," I'll say that I'm quite unsure at this point. And yes, for me it has to be up to "my standards" cause I'm the one purchasing the album. They want to give away the album for free, than go right ahead. But that's not going to happen. Like I said before it goes back to liking something and not liking something. Wanting to spend your money on something and not wanting to spend your money on something.

I could be wrong, but it seems like you take offense that a fan would not just rush out and buy a GN'R album without ever hearing a single note or not buy the album cause the majority of the material was not any good regardless of the price. Am I completely wrong Jarmo?

Congratulations, my boy is coming October 24th !



I don't think it's fair to compare Shackler to Oh my god. Nine years ago there was not much talk about GNR, public hadn't quite realised what was missing from music-world... Remember that Live Era also wasn't a success. Also, for example, you couldn't find easily GNR-clothes and stuff.

Now it really is different: seems that people have "approved" the bands legacy and lots of people are curious in a positive way of Chinese Democracy. It might not have been as big in 2000, who knows.

I am a bit surprised because what I consider a fan seems to be so different to what many of you consider a fan.

Seems like being a fan to you is somebody who enjoys listening to an artist, but doesn't necessarily mean you support the artist by buying his/her music and/or concert tickets.

Compare it to sports. You have your team that you support through thick and thin. You might also like some other team, but not in the same way.

I would say you're a fan of team #1....





/jarmo

I wonder where USA Today got the 11/25 date from...?

maybe they pulled it out of Rolling Stone magazines ass?  I know thats where R.S used to get their "C.D release dates"


i wont believe anything about a release date till I see it on this site or on gunsnroses.com...In the meantime im am thrilled about "Shacklers Revenge" coming out this weekend..  :peace:

If a band doesn't put out material I enjoy than your right, I'm not going to buy an album just to support the band financially. I'm not going to go in the direction as if I'm blindfolded. Does that mean I now don't support the band? Financially, on this occasion I guess you could say yes. But I am still a fan of the band and when/if they release material I'll enjoy, than I will support them financially.

I like to think that as fan I can sit back and honestly be disappointed with something and give my reason for my disappointment and still be a fan. That doesn't mean, I'd sit back and trash the band or tell people not to buy the album, or talk crap for the sake of it, so forth and so on. I think GN'R would respect me and my legitimate reason for not buying something they release, rather than just go out and buying something for the heck of it. As you say, to support the band.

At what point do you stop being a fan?

Let's say there's a bunch of songs you think "sucks". How many is too many?


You are aware that you're on a GN'R fan site saying you might not even buy the album you've been "waiting" for....





/jarmo

i bought "St ANger" without hearing any of the singles on it...was I disappointed? sure because it was Metallicas worst album(i still wouldnt say it SUCKS)...but when they were in the process of coming out with "Death Magnetic" i was very excited...because its Metallica...my number 2 band off all time....since the GNR/Metallica tour.....im not just going to give up on them for putting out a record i wasnt thrilled with...Kill em all, Justice, Lighting, Black album, and puppets make if very easy to forgive a record or 2 in a direction im not thrilled with....As a huge fan of a band I support them in whatever artistic direction they go ...This Guns N Roses is NOTHING like the old Guns N Roses...a completely different style of music...but I happen to really enjoy both...i just cant imagine Guns N Roses ever putting out a record and me just being like "no thanks."

I'll always enjoy the original bands material and be a fan regardless. For the new lineup, when the music is not appealing to me any more than I may not consider myself a fan like I use to be. Yes, I know that I'm on a GN'R fan site and I know what I'm saying. But in all honestly, what's wrong with being honest about why I may not buy the album I have waited so long for? I think a legitimate reason trumps everything else.

Does every person on this GN'R site have to agree and go along with what you say and what you think a fan is suppose to be? Cause it sure does seem like that Jarmo. I think fans can be critical of the band on a legitimate basis and still be a fan of the past, present, and possible future.

It is true that nobody wishes to be a drone following a band out of blind loyalty. And everyone is entitled to their own opinion and nobody has to like anything but?. I would simply say that in my experience there are a few artists whose output is strictly tied to quality rather than quantity with GnR being at the top of the list. We often evaluate a choice based on past experience, Given that GnR has given us nothing but quality from the beginning I would rest assured that CD will be nothing less than the perfection Axl has always been committed to. I don?t need to hear the album or a sample to trust that we will get excellent material.

I know I've been looking forward to this album all these years and posting on GnR sites just so I don't end up buying it  :rofl:

Again, I'm not going to buy something I won't enjoy no matter how long I've been here.

Wouldn't the situation be even more screwed up if someone had been here all these years, waiting for the album, finally buy the album and be very disappointed?

I dont necessarily think theres anything wrong with you not buying the album if you dont want to....its kinda weird but not wrong.

Id also say you have some mad discipline, I would literally trade my forst born child for this album

If you think this site is for all those who are not interested in the current band and won't buy the album, think again.

I also don't wanna have a site for a bunch of killjoys who constantly find reason why things suck.


Being critical is one thing, not being supportive is another.





Why?


You bought the album, listened to it and decided it wasn't for you.


And how are you gonna about the whole process of determining if it's good or not?

If you even suggest doing something illegal, I suggest you logout right away.





/jarmo

Perhaps by hearing the songs played on the radio or listening to the album someone else purchased, they could show up in a movie, maybe even see a video. There are a lot of ways Jarmo. Legal ways. But you don't want to see it that way. You jump to conclusions like doing something illegal.

What ?  I don't get this at all -  I think even people who are obsessed with the Beatles - think they have a few songs that suck - it happens -  especially when there's a good deal of experimentation that goes on within a band - It doesn't mean you're looking for things negative and it doesn't mean you're not a fan -
So with the case of Gnr  - considering the change in musical direction from the original and the rotating door of band members - it shouldn't surprise anyone that there are going to be a few songs that people just really can't get into - 

For fuck's sake - Axl himself said that the album is going to have many different styles and that some things won't be for everyone :yes:

Yeah, because it's 2008.


I still can't really fully understand this "I'm not gonna buy the album in case it sucks" attitude.

It's like going to a restaurant. You eat, you pay. Maybe it wasn't worth the money, but now you know.


Does this policy apply to other forms of art? Like movies. Do you have to see the movie first before buying the DVD?

What if you rent a movie and it sucks?


I bet you've wasted $10 on a lot of things that weren't worth it without thinking too much. But with GN'R, you can't afford it....


Even if there's only one song you like on the album, it might still be worth $10.... Because it's that good! Ever thought about that possibility?



/jarmo

My reason would not be "in case it sucks", my reason would be because it sucks.


I most likely would pay $.99 on iTunes for the songs I do like. Wouldn't I be supporting the band financially that way too?

Right now, I would say that I like the songs Chinese Democracy, Better, and The Blues. The other songs that have come out as "leaks" I haven't been impressed. Yes, I know it was perhaps illegal in some peoples minds to listen to the songs but you yourself even said you had listen to a short rough cut as well. That's besides the point anyways. I still have hopes that the album will be good, I'm just keeping an open mind that there could be only two or three songs that I like on the album.

I'll still say that I firmly believe Axl would respect my choice not to buy something I wouldn't enjoy as long as my reasons were legitimate and not because I wanted to just trash a band and hope for their failure.

Wow...Jarmo....

We told you one glass of the kool-aid a day. I think you need to be cut off before you start seeing ufo's and castrate yourself.

I think the fact that some are looking at this though cynical eyes has merit.

The "Oh My God" train of thought is legitimate, whether we like it or not.

Is this the same kind of situation? I don't think so in the least. HOWEVER, remember how excited we were in '99?

And '02?
And '04?
And '06?
And '07?

We're all excited about this Jarmo. That's why we're here, and that's why some of us have been coming here for YEARS.

We're here because we love GnR, we love the music, and even though none of us have heard ANY of the leaks, we're pretty sure they're gonna sound F'n KILLER!!!

Let's just say we're all cautiously optimistic.

We'll Jarmo's a little more than that.

....

Hey!! I said put the fuckin' Kool-Aid down you Scandinavian nut job!!!

*runs off after the guy with the bug eyes and the purple stained lips*

I'm not trying to have a go at you or anything but I'm curious to know if, for example, the album was available to download as individual tracks (and I don't download albums so I don't know if this is the norm) would you just go for those you've already heard and know you like, or would you take a chance and get the whole album?  One of my reasons for asking is that very often I'll buy an album and during the first few plays several of the tracks will jump out and become instant favourites.  However, after a while, others will grow on me, and then sometimes months or years later, I'll put the album on and a track that previously hadn't particularly struck me will suddenly hit me and I'll hear new things in all the tracks that I never heard in all the many times of listening before.  My point is that if I'd just bought what I already knew I liked at the time of release, I would have missed out on some great stuff because I wasn't willing to take the chance.

(Although admittedly, for me at least, buying anything released by GNR never means taking much of a chance because I've enjoyed everything that they've released so far.)   ;D

Also, I believe very strongly that there is an art to getting the tracks in the right order so that the album flows and creates the atmosphere intended by the band.  So again, buying individual tracks (or playing them out of order) would definitely not be an option for me, but I'd be interested to know the opinion of other people and whether it's just me who feels like this.

Out of all the albums I consider great, they didn't become great after one listen....

For example, it took a while to get into the Use Your Illusion albums because there were 30 tracks to "digest".

If I was like you, maybe I would've bought a couple of songs and left it at that. But maybe then I would've never heard some of the songs I now love...



Maybe I ask you how you managed in the days before digital sales?

Did you wait for the song you liked to become a single so you could be it alone?





And now this is supposed to be BIGGER than any of those years.

I mean, no longer can you say shit like "Oh, so they're playing in Australia, why do I care? I live in the US. I want the album"... Well, we don't have the album yet, but we got something. A new song.

That's more you could've said in any of those years.

It's a song from the band we're all supposed to be fans of and some are acting like they're stuck in 2005...



Why is it impossible to be happy and optimistic for once when something is actually happening?




/jarmo

Let people just think an say what they want.. There are alot people out there who think this is great. Concern about the album when that time comes.. Now Concern about what is happening on Sunday. Im sure GnR havent given us the latest update on theyr Revenge yet! : ok:

That said. buying the product, introduce the music to the your friends, and Give GnR the supporte you think they deserve. But to not give them the support with not doing this, i dont think you can be concidered a fan of the new product.. At least not a fan who cares about showing it to the band..

Thats just how it is..

There were a lot of albums I bought for one or two songs only and I hated it so much. Finally, they a started releasing cassette singles and cd singles which I was so happy about. It was very nice to pay two or three dollars instead of the $18-$20 price cd's use to be.

I just want to interject I saw this, the orginial topic of this thread.  Congrats to the GNR camp.   :D

I'm one of the saps who will buy the album on the first day ... but I understand other people's hesitation, wanting to hear some of the material first. That's how I am with every other album! This one, just because it's GNR, is a must buy for me.

However, people with a "wait and see" approach, hey after 9 or 15 years or whatever it's been, this project has earned some skepticism. OMG was good, but there are better songs out there. The songs in concert have been pretty good, but hard to judge what a recorded version will be ... the other songs, we can't even discuss without Jarmo jumping all over our shit (I thought the rule was we couldn't post links or locations, but I think it's now that we can't even mention them), so I won't try to say what I thought of them.

Did the opposite ever happen?

You bough an album based on one song, then liked the album so much that you actually went and bought the artist's other albums?





/jarmo

Jarmo, I can't help but noticed you omitted the fact I said we were "CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC"

We ARE HAPPY...

We ARE OPTIMISTIC...

But cautiously so.

For once, I can honestly say it sounds like you're being a little stubborn.

Everyone here has good reason to have serious doubts, due to the history of the band, but we're still here, still sticking around, and still believing. We wouldn't be here otherwise.

We're cautious because of the past. We're optimistic because of the present.  Try not to get so defensive against someone who's taking the middle road, trying to mediate both extremes of the spectrum. You, above all else, should be able to take a clear headed approach to things.

That being said, yes, in my heart of hearts, I feel the album is coming VERY SOON. We've been down this road before, but my gut tells me Chinese Democracy STARTS NOW!!

Cautious regarding what?

That the video game isn't gonna be out on Sunday?

It's not like I'm saying this song is gonna bring world peace and end all conflicts.


While some of you are too busy worrying about the worst case scenarios you've made up in your heads or coming up with reasons why this isn't amazing (but, but, but...), I'm saying "why not be happy with what you got?".

It's more than we've gotten in years for God's sake!



It's a step towards getting the thing most of you claim to be "waiting" for.

Several steps have been taken this year already.



And why is it a bad thing to try to get a few of you out of the boring "it's like 1999" routine?

You need to fucking snap out of it sooner or later don't you think?  :P





/jarmo

Shackler's will definitely top the mainstream rock charts.

will be interesting to see how much modern rock radio it gets.

Cautious regarding the fact that WE'VE SEEN SHIT FALL APART TOO MANY TIMES!!!

Are you a fucking goldfish?

You have the short term memory of a Republican for god sakes.

Remember 2002? We got a world tour, new songs, all the momentum in the world....

And it fell the fuck apart

Remember the "tentative" release date of March 2007?  That was over a year and a half ago.

Yeah, I think it's fair that GnR fans have a right to take everything with a grain of salt.

And how many fucking times do I have to say that WE'VE GOT A FEELING THINGS WILL WORK OUT THIS TIME?!?!

We've got a god damned right to feel reserved. And we're right to do so.

Just because every time the band makes a public fart you go bat shit crazy, doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

Let me make a list of points, AGAIN, and see if you ignore them one more time.

1. Shacklers is a huge event for us.
2. It will sound great.
3. It will get people interested in GnR again.
4. It shows that we're in the right direction.
5. We all hope and pray the album is coming out soon.
6. I think it will.

But more importantly, one final point.

7. We've been saying the same thing for the last, what? Decade?

The album will "probably" come out in the next 3 months.

I leave it at that. You're going to jump up and down like a jackass. You might even go as far as calling us all "terrorists". Hell, if it walks like a Bush, and talks like a Bush....

J-man, I've taken great strides to say nothing but nice things about you over the last 2 years, and back you on everything that's come out of your mouth.

This time, you're shitting on us for simply being realistic.

Go read Axl's open letter he explains it all.  This album has been held up due to legal issues, that frankly can't be talked about.  Not to mention various band members coming and going.  Lets see you put out a album when you got people leaving, Axl wants to put a new sound and reinvent himself he's not gonna take 9 months and put out another AFD, or UYI I, II.  People THE ALBUM IS FUCKIN DONE !!! it wasn't done in the past HELLO !!!!! NEW MANAGEMENT RING A BELL ???? I guess not so if your not down with GnR go to another message board with all those crybabies and post there.

Will it even be on the rock charts if it isn't being played on the radio because it's only on the game?

Razz.............. This is the first official release though. WAYYYYYYYYY different than some tours.

It's done? Can you prove that.................waiting.............  Has a record company executive ever verified this?

Hey man, it may be done, it may not - but untill an actual release date is announced - why would you dare to say that it is?

Has a record company executive verified this?  No.  But when do record company execs ever verify a record is done?

Beta did verify that to Classic Rock.  I haven't yet seen that disputed by anyone else "in the know".

Ali

My World comes pretty close to sucking.I don't get the NIN comparison either since no NIN song is as bad as My World.Having said that, no I don't think any GNR songs suck.

Jesus Christ....Somebody shoot me..

THERE WAS ALREADY AN "OFFICIAL" RELEASE!!!

And I'm not even trying to bring that up....

The point is that we've gone through shit before. For fuck's sake, I'm as hopeful as you are, I'm just taking that big elephant in the room that no-one will mention, and I'm fucking him in the ass.

And as far as that jack-wad who mentioned "new management"???

Two words...

Merck....f'n Merck...

Remember him?

I know I do...real fuckin' well. I dealt with him enough to last me a lifetime.

And as far as legal issues go, how many other bands on the planet have this many legal issues for a FUCKING ALBUM?????

I'm really, REALLY trying to be positive here..

In fact, in every post I make, I repeat AD FUCKING NAUSEUM that the album WILL COME OUT!!

All I'm doing is defending those who have doubts, and yet I get shit on, least of all by Jarmo, the guy who should have his head firmly secured on his shoulders, and not squarely up his ass.

And ya know, I'm getting sick and fucking tired of some of you screaming "well if you don't like it, go find another board".

There's too many of you with the inability to string together enough letters to form a rebuttal, so you resort to "like us, or leave us".

It's weak. It's a sad example of wasted intelligence. Do I need to point out that before you hit send, you have UNLIMITED time to review your comments, thereby coming up with an intelligent rebuttal, as opposed to....dood you suck...or "yer so lame"....or countless other commentaries that make me want to hurt myself, and not in a good way.

And so help me fuck Jarmo, if you quote me again, at least have the decency to acknowledge the fact that I'm all for the band, optimistic, and all lovey dovey n shit, or whatever it takes to drink the kool aid these days....

My world? Sucked...

Bad Apples? Wasn't that good either...

Point proven..

Hell, even the Beatles had Revolution #9

Jarmo, thanks you for all you do.  I rarely post, but i come to the site at least once a week to see what's going on.  You really are the voice of reason for all of the gnr fans that post, and i don't know if people appreciate the patience involved.  anyway, i've searched most of the threads, and cant find an answer to a couple questions about shackler's.  I figure you may know, so if you get a second....

1.  Will the song be available for purchase anywhere, like itunes or maybe the video games soundtrack?
2.  Will the song be played on local radio?
3.  Is Sweden gonna qualify for the 2010 world cup?  I think they will if Zlatan stays healthy.  

  

Someone kill that guy....

I am not Jarmo but here goes:
1)We don't know
2)We don't know
3)Who cares?Watch a real sport,Like Football!

My World seems like something that Axl threw on at the end since he seems to have had creative control.There were way better songs that were left off from the Illusions.

Bad Apples kicks ass.

Compared to the rest of GnR's catalogue, no it doesn't.

And be careful what you say. Around here, My World is yet another psalm in the book of "We don't admit anything ever went wrong"

 :hihi:

I don't know any GNR fans that say My World is a good song.It sounds like two minutes of Axl fucking around with a drum machine.

I think this has to be the single.I can't see GNR putting this song out waiting til November, dropping a single and then releasing the album.I see this being a decent hit for GNR until they release Better.That song could carry the album through the new year.GNR will not pass up the opportunity to cash in on Black Friday sales.Especially at a Best Buy.Those places are mobbed with people coming in for $99 TV's.Best Buy would have massive promotion for the album.I wouldnt be surprised to see a giant GNR display upon entering the store.

..or was fucked up on magic mushrooms :hihi:

Did you miss reading the part when I pointed out how this is different from all those "other times"?




What exactly about the Sunday release of Rock Band 2 are you worried about?







You've said the last stuff for a decade? But Shackler's Revenge wasn't out then....  :hihi:


You completely missed the point.

You're being "cautious" about something that I'm not even talking about.

I'm personally EXCITED about the NEW SONG. I don't know what I should be cautious about now. I mean, I think the copies have been shipped to stores already. People will be lining up with their credit cards on Sunday.

One step at the time.

You on the other hand are posting a list of things that might happen AFTER that one song has come out.


And I do remember 2002 and every other fucking year before 2008.

I was excited about GN'R being on tour back then. Just like I was in 2007.

Now I'm excited about this new track.  :)



I agree with D for once. I'm scared.

Next I'll start listening to Bon Jovi. Oh the horror.....  :nervous:




/jarmo

I will buy the song for a buck from Itunes but no way am I buying that game for $200 or whatever it is.

Okay, if we're going to stay off topic, I like My World.  It really appeals to the stressed out, I'm looking out at you from some where deep inside my head and I should have a mental illness diagnosis.  It's like Coma, if you'd never been that far over the edge of mental health you're not going to get the depth of these songs.  At least that's where I connect with these songs.

Coma is one of the best GNR songs ever.My world is like a fourth rate Oh My God but not nearly as catchy or good.Pretty much any unreleased song from the Illusions blows it away.

I'm a big fan of "Bad Apples" myself.  Not high on "My World", I wouldn't say it sucks but I could do without it and it'd be the last example I'd play for someone who had never heard GNR.  I also never cared for "Silkworms", though I can't officially slam it since it's only been played live.  Maybe a studio version would sound better.

For the record, I think My World kicks ass.   Its not meant to be taken seriously like Estranged or Locomotive.    I enjoy it for what it is.

My World is a minute and 20 seconds long...im not too sure it was meant to be anything more than a little fun at the end of the record....and Bad Apples is fucking awesome....one of the best tracks on the record...

My World Sucks. (there is an idea for a depressed GN'R fans t-shirt in there somewhere)

And I'm sick of knocking over the sideboard and treading on the cats tail  in my stampede to the stereo after Don't Cry :no:

I have always considered My World as an outro to the Illusions, not as an actual song.. and I like it as it is.

I agree, both songs just sorta slowly grew on me, and I have developed an appreciation for them both over the years.

Maybe you have a friend who has it or something?

No.

/Jarmo
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What exactly about the Sunday release of Rock Band 2 are you worried about?


 

I'm personally EXCITED about the NEW SONG. I don't know what I should be cautious about now. I mean, I think the copies have been shipped to stores already. People will be lining up with their credit cards on Sunday.

One step at the time.



Now I'm excited about this new track.  :)


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/jarmo
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"people will be lining up Sunday with their credit cards"  They will, to buy a game. And yes, i am excited, i do support, and all the other lines some of you use. BUT, for people who love music not games (me) what does it really do for us? We are excited, happy, supportive, love axl, on board, not whining, not crying, he doesnt owe me, can release when he is ready, etc, BUT if Sunday and a few weeks go by, and music lovers cant hear it on the radio, purchase through i-tunes, then we are back to where we started. Sort of like a double edge sword. GNR are finally letting some people hear a new song, but to hear it legally you need to be a gamer, I guess we can always download it? But that would "hurt the band"? This is probably jumping the gun, we have no idea what will happen with this song. BUT if all the other songs are available to purchase, THIS SONG SHOULD BE NO DIFFERENT!!!!!

That sucks.

I remember buying the Queens Of The Stone Age's "Songs For the Deaf" basically because I saw it in a record store and knowing Mark Lanegan was on it.

Turned out to be one of my favorite albums of that year...




Well, for one the band is doing something. The thing that most of you have made comments about over the years.... You know, putting out new music.







Even if it's not on the radio or on iTunes, you can't change the simple fact that the song has been officially released.

Something you maybe thought would never happen?



/jarmo

Jarmo is right

I am guilty of bitching about gnr when it looked like they were building momentum, only for it to just slip through their fingers the last second,
but this is different...

We have had comments by Axl and the management team about shacklers revenge,
and it is now clear, that gnr are using all different kinds of mediums at their disposal in order to capitalise
on the sales for chinese democracy,

Lets just be happy that the ball has started rolling..
take it 1 day at a time,
tommorow a song will be on a video game,
who knows, next week there might be a single/whatever,
these are just little stepping stones..

Not sure if I believe you there...

I pretty much bought all of Porcupine Tree's back catalogue after hearing a song off Fear of a Blank Planet. I love it when you 'find' a band like that...its kind of like the reverse of waiting for a new album

Man...lots of bitching in this thread.

Here are my two cents:

SHUT THE FUCK UP!

New GN'R tomorrow!  ;D

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What exactly about the Sunday release of Rock Band 2 are you worried about?

I'm personally EXCITED about the NEW SONG. I don't know what I should be cautious about now. I mean, I think the copies have been shipped to stores already. People will be lining up with their credit cards on Sunday.

One step at the time.

Now I'm excited about this new track.  :)

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/jarmo
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"people will be lining up Sunday with their credit cards"  They will, to buy a game. And yes, i am excited, i do support, and all the other lines some of you use. BUT, for people who love music not games (me) what does it really do for us? We are excited, happy, supportive, love axl, on board, not whining, not crying, he doesnt owe me, can release when he is ready, etc, BUT if Sunday and a few weeks go by, and music lovers cant hear it on the radio, purchase through i-tunes, then we are back to where we started. Sort of like a double edge sword. GNR are finally letting some people hear a new song, but to hear it legally you need to be a gamer, I guess we can always download it? But that would "hurt the band"? This is probably jumping the gun, we have no idea what will happen with this song. BUT if all the other songs are available to purchase, THIS SONG SHOULD BE NO DIFFERENT!!!!!
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I have some sympathy with this point of view.

But to try and understand whats going on at the moment is difficult. So many record companies, publishing deals, record deals, band members etc etc to think of I can imagine there's a reason why they haven't said anything...so probably best just to chill out, wait a little longer and see what pans out. Thats a bit hyprocitical of me as I have downloaded the leaks but no one's perfect and I will be buying whatever comes my way (not the x-box rockband I'm afraid I'm holding out for the PS3 though). There you go some honesty hopefully I won't be arrested by the MI5 or anything

It's always great to find a new band. Makes one remember how it was when you were like 13 and started to check out all the bands you had just learned about, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple etc.

World is full of music and some of it is actually good  ;)

I think this is more difficult as you get older as there's so much you haven't heard... but you're right there's nothing like it  : ok:

Imagine if you're a kid and you've never heard AFD, Lies, UYI 1&2 - how cool would that be!

Jesus, Jarmo agrees with me and now I agree with Jim Bob..... Im not leaving the house today :nervous: :nervous:


I do like My World and I also like Silk Worms just as I love deep complex movies but then I love Superbad,Dumb and Dumber etc.

Not every song has to be a change the world, meaningful life changing piece of work.

My World is trippy,cool,different and has a lot of quotable lines.

GNR and Bon Jovi are the ony two bands where I love every single song and don't feel they have any bad ones. some are better than others but none are unlistenable garbage.

If I had to choose, nothing really jumps out. I think My World does only cause the catalog of GNR songs is so superb.

Can't wait to hear a studio version of Silkworms...I think the live version had some of the attitude of 'Its So Easy' but I do think they needed to work on it somewhat

Shotgun Blues sucks my ass.  All bands have a few stinkers, it's nothing to get upset over.   : ok:

I love shotgun blues !! what are u talking about ?

lol, opinions...gotta love em......

I haven't read the thread in its entirety, but I read the first 2 pages, and the last one...that counts, right?   :hihi:

I am not a gamer, so I won't be able to listen to this song "legally" tomorrow.  I hope that I will be able to get it on my Ipod soon, but I can wait :) 

Seeing new GNR music in a place where more of the general public can see them is an AWESOME thing.  I can only hope it's the beginning of much, much more  ;D

I'm hoping for some sort of word from the band in the week to come...
it wouldnt be far fetched that they comment on the release, and feed us some more info.

it seems reasonable to expect a comment by the band. after all this IS the thing everybody's been waiting for. them not commenting would be a bad omen...

... keeping my fingers crossed.

Didn't we all think that when OH MY GOD was released? I know I did! What year was that again?

Was the album done back then NO !!! is the album done now YES !!!! thank you

Me answering "no" is the truth.

It is?  How do you know this?  I must've missed Axl actually saying this - please post a link or something

Usually I hear about new "things" going on, but this little fact seems to have slipped by me

And this site does not allow statements like this unless it's fact...so either produce a link or maybe expect that to be stricken from the record!

LOL you don't go into neogations with the record label until the record is done.  Im sure people on this board can back me up on this to/

I am backing you up ! And so is beta = http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/page/classicrock?entry=it_s_a_fact

Or isn't beta a reliable source ?  ::) :hihi:

 :peace:

negotiations  : ok:  : ok:  : ok:

oh c'mon admit it... you were expecting the album back then as well, and back the manager was saying that the album was almost finished-just a few vocals here and there.


some of you people are acting like it was obvious in '99 that it's gonna take a decade to actually see the release, and all those of us who were expecting the album to be out in either 99 or 00,01,02,03,04,05,06,07 are idiots.

I hope to see the album this year... but I wouldnt be suprised it it doesnt come out this year, or even next year.... who knows what might happen next to derail the whole thing again. for all we know.... MSL could organize a terrorist attack to destroy interscope or something...

Actually I didn't expect it to be out back in 99.  I did in 2006 but Axl explained to us why.  Enjoy Shacklers tommorow I know i will.

I heard of OMG like in 2003  :-[


oh my god is really a great song. just because it's not your cup doesn't mean it sucks.
what sucks is to see it referred as a dud by some GNR fans (and only by some GNR fans) for it was not followed by an album.

Revenge OMG.
When shacklers or any new GNR song is officially send to radio, lets flood every station with our requests.

Well, Lucky does have a point......

What if Shackler's is released and absolutely fucking bombs?

Does Axl pull back CD and do more work or re-plan it?


One has to wonder, if Oh My God had been a huge hit, would CD have came out back then..........

I doubt shackler would bomb...
it's a great\fun song that would apeal to the greater audience than the pure rockers.

but, I'm more afraid of the unforseen circumstances...
like the record company... problems with managers... alien attacks... ... whatever.

there's one thing that applies for GNR pretty well... "once you think its out.... they pull it back in"...

there's no sure bets. anything can happen.... and anything can change.
who's to say that K-mart wont fuck up the deal... or that the new managers arent gonna screw it all up again...
or that the Finck thing wont cause some other problem....  there's also the posibility of Bach taking over the band...
etc...etc...

I will fight no matter what! :rant:

No it wouldn't as it wasn't finished then.
I wonder would a song merely a soundtrack of some random film make a huge hit?

Sounds like a song I'll like. Hope it comes out on Itunes sometime, or better yet, on Chinese Democracy. If not, I'll just have to live without hearing it.

Shacklers is the first track that will be heard off Chinese Democracy.

I'm a big fan of Oh My God, I would love to hear a reworked version with a better mix and the contributions Buckethead made on the live version

That said, it wasn't a lead single for Chinese Democracy.  It was a good song on crappy soundtrack for a crappy movie that tanked badly at the box office.  There was not a great deal of label promotion behind it, no video, no major push to get it on the radio.  You have to understand, the record labels and radio stations are in bed together

When GnR releases an official single for Chinese Democracy, the record label WILL make sure that the single is in heavy rotation on mainstream and modern rock radio.  That's not even in question

I agree Shotgun,
No doubt an official single will get it's airplay, but I am a bit surprised at the basically zero attention that "Shackler's" is receiving. I at least remember the DJ's on local radio stations trashing Oh My God when it came out. I haven't heard anything about Shackler's aside from this site.

Granted I don't listen to the radio anymore, so that could explain it!

I've said it in other posts, but lack of any news/announcement/buzz is somewhat disturbing...if there was a 'marketing plan' driving this release, you would expect it to kick in, wouldn't you?  I think marketing for 'End of Days' was a driving force behind OMG buzz.  Perhaps it is just too early...only 2 days post release.

Shacklers is a Rockband 2 exclusive !!! no single, no video.  It could be that Better will be the first single off of Chinese Democracy ! but that's just a rumor as we speak.

I've said it in other posts, but lack of any news/announcement/buzz is somewhat disturbing...if there was a 'marketing plan' driving this release, you would expect it to kick in, wouldn't you?  I think marketing for 'End of Days' was a driving force behind OMG buzz.  Perhaps it is just too early...only 2 days post release.


Yeah it's very strange. I guess it should be expected from their management. I can't think of a commercial act that is run half as poorly. Not only does the website offer no news, but it looks like it took 5 minutes to design. I remember when I saw GNR in 06, I drove 5 hours to NYC not truly knowing for sure if the show was official because there was no mention of it anywhere. Thankfully we have this site. Though I must say the suspense of not knowing if they would show or not certainly added to the experience.

Still, I thought there would be more buzz from radio stations, web reviews, etc.

I find it laughable that you are commenting on the management.

Do you know anything about the managers?


As I've said many many many times, the song is in the game.

Right now, that's all there is.

It's not a single, it's not a video. It's a new song in the game for people to enjoy.


The second the promotion starts for the new GN'R release, you'll be there yelling "sell out!"...




/jarmo

I'm starting to think you may be Axl Jarmo. You seem to take any criticism to heart. You are not a member of GNR, so you shouldn't take it so personally. There is no question that their official website is a joke. I really don't know anything official about GNR, that is my whole point. Maybe that is intentional, but if so it's a pretty odd strategy. I understand management is in a tough spot because they have a client who needs 15+ years to make a single album, so it's unchartered waters they are in, so I'll cut them some slack, but as far as marketing goes, there hardly is any to speak of. That's not good marketing. Maybe management is great but Axl has too much control, who knows, not me, not you, so we get to speculate to kill some time because it's a slow day at work today! All in fun.

The second the promotion starts for the new GN'R release, you'll be there yelling "sell out!"...


Don't really understand that statement. Not sure it's possible for GNR to "sell out".

I admit, I have a low tolerance for certain things...

It comes with the territory. Same whining year after year.





And how long have you been a fan?

GN'R has never been the kind of band who talks when there's nothing to talk about.


I've said it before, people want "updates" and news. When they get them, they feel let down. Why? Because they want a release date. Nothing else.

The band can't win with some of you. It's a fucking fact.

There could be a long letter about the song today and you'd post "nice, but where's the release date?". You know it, I know it and they know it.

But on the other hand, there's lots of us who aren't that fucking hung up on the release date.



I suggest you relax a bit instead of feeling so "upset" about the lack of updates or news.

They'll say something when they have something to say.



It means that you'll find something else to complain about.....

Now: Not enough promotion
Then: Too much!




/jarmo

Touche Jarmo. Guilty as charged, I would like a release date. I'm really not too worried about it. Just passing time, and it's a lot easier to find things to nit pick about with GNR lately than compliment I guess. I can certainly see how that would drive you nuts as long as you've been running this bad boy. I'm gonna go bitch about sports for a while, even though my Sox are in first place.  :)

Sorry, didn't mean to start anything between you two.  I was just expressing my surprise that there is a new Gn'R song out, and other than the RB2 release announcement, there is no 'hype' or anything...I expected, as I think a lot of people did, that this would be the begining of something big - I still believe it is.  Patiently waiting...at least now I can listen to Shackler while I wait - although it is a P.I.T.A. in its current format (videogame).

Go Sox.

IKnowWhereIAM

It's all good. I love talk'n about this stuff. I'm in your boat. I don't think Jarmo is my biggest fan, but it's all in fun. I don't take this stuff that serious. You a Sox fan?

Start taking your personal conversation to PMs.

 : ok:



/jarmo