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What do you think ?Chinese democracy? - the album your former colleague Axl Rose has been working on for ten years now - will sound like?


Slash: To tell you the truth: I already listened to it. At first I thought that I would never listen to it until it?s released, but someone handed it to me and I was in my car and I was like ?Okay, let?s give it a try.? So I listened to it: It?s a really good record. It?s very different from what the original Guns N? Roses sounded like, but it?s a great statement by Axl. Now you understand where he was heading all this time. It?s a record that the original Guns N? Roses could never possibly make. And at the same time it just shows you how brilliant Axl is. So it was a relief for me to actually hear it.




http://www.vanityfair.de/articles/kultur/musik-cd/interview/1987/07/21/1/11196/

Wow!

I wonder if he heard the actual album or just the demos that were leaked...

it sounds a little off to me... don't know if i trust it.

Why cause he didn't say anything negative about Axl ?

sebastian bach could easily handle slash the cd

I don't think he's heard the actual album. It would seem odd for him to say he had when he recently said that the guy who posted the 9 leaks should "rot in jail", saying they would harm sales. Methinks he's just heard older leaks (CD, Madagascar, The Blues etc.).

Then again, maybe I'm completely wrong and Bach or someone gave him the CD. :P (I can just imagine it: "Give this a listen but don't tell anyone I let you hear it..." :hihi:)

Anyway, it's good to see he's positive about CD.

Well, they are good songs.....and, they are much different than the classic line up.  Sounds like a good review to me.  I think he sells the old band short a little bit but was classy about it at the same time.  I think the old band certainly could pull of Twat and The Blues and Chinese Democracy with ease.  But the other stuff is a little too far out there. 

Slash  :love: Axl...... 

Kidding.

You fool!! You have mentioned he who must never be named!!!!!!!!!

This is in the VR section anyhow....

Wow...that's really nice of him to say. Maybe all the people stuck in '96 can move on now that Axl has their God's blessing.

did I miss something? did he listen to the finished product or just the Skwerl leaks?

I highly doubt Axl would trust Baz with CD. If this were the case it would have leaked  entirely by now

I'm sure some people will bash Slash somehow

If u USE a little reading Comprehension skill,Slash says "He never intended on listening till it was RELEASED" which means someone handed him a copy of the leaks.

why does slash's opinion belong in the GnR section ?  Its not relevant and he hasn't been in the band for over a decade.   move along please.

before some of you go crying that i'm bashing slash, the point being THIS IS NOT RELEVANT.   I don't care what his opinion is and I"m sick of the way he is kissing ass in the media lately trying to get himself publicity.   I hope this thread is either deleted or moved.

Yikes.  Just wow.  Yeah youre right.  One of the masterminds behind Appetite For Destruction, Lies, and UYI 1 & 2's opinion doesnt matter on a GNR discussion board.  Some of you people astound me.  I  mean seriously, who links Slash with Guns N' Roses?  :hihi:

Hasn't he talked about it for some time now? So I suppose he's not talking about (the recent) leaks or the finished product. Someone probably handed him a couple of demos a while back...?

*edit*

Sorry for repeating what everyone else's been saying, LOL. I got a bit confused.  ::)

" It?s a record that the original Guns N?Roses could never possibly make."

I think he meant it is an album the original GNR WOULD NEVER make.

Can someone explain to me the "Slash wants publicity" logic? Dude already has publicity. He's Slash for fuck's sake.

Slash knows CD is going to be a huge success. Maybe he's starting to regret that he can't be a part of it.

I don't know about that.  He talks about how it's not fair to "steal" an artists unfinished work.  Not saying he "stole" whatever he listened to or whoever gave it to him did either, simply saying if he's of that opinion I don't believe he'd think it'd be fair to COMMENT on an artists unfinished work.

He may very well have just heard the demos, but I'm guessing what he heard he at least THOUGHT was the finished product.

I think this has as much to do about current GN'R as it does former members
recently conducted an interview with VELVET REVOLVER/ex-GUNS N' ROSES guitarist Slash. Amn excerpt from the chat follows.

VanityFair.de: What do you think "Chinese Democracy" ? the album your former colleague Axl Rose has been working on for ten years now ? will sound like?

Slash: To tell you the truth: I already listened to it. At first I thought that I would never listen to it until it's released, but someone handed it to me and I was in my car and I was like, "Okay, let's give it a try." So I listened to it: It's a really good record. It's very different from what the original GUNS N' ROSES sounded like, but it's a great statement by Axl. Now you understand where he was heading all this time. It's a record that the original GUNS N' ROSES could never possibly make. And at the same time it just shows you how brilliant Axl is. So it was a relief for me to actually hear it.

VanityFair.de: Many of the songs already leaked to the Internet and a blogger was arrested by the FBI recently, because he published the material on his website?

Slash: All the Napster stuff and all these people who talk about illegal file sharing killing the record business and taking money out of the artists' pockets! It may be true. But Napster was just a reaction to the record business not catching up with the development of the Internet. Napster was inevitable. But when somebody takes somebody's work and releases it prematurely just to become famous, it's an incredibly selfish and criminal thing to do. A record is a piece of art. And it shouldn't be released until the creator decides to release it ? and I don't care how long it took to make it.

VanityFair.de: Do you use the internet yourself?

Slash: I'm an old-school guy. I only got a laptop within the last five years ? and I hate it. The only new piece of technology I use on a regular basis is my Blackberry. I became addicted to it. No wonder it's often called "Crackberry."

Read the entire interview at VanityFair.de.

Oh I thought you were gonna say Barack Obama had a copy.

Sorry, didn't know where to put only reason I posted it cause I thought it was funny that he hope that kevin guy rot in jail, then he has a copy of the cd. 

A little different.  Slash didn't post the material on his website for millions of people to listen to. 

He could of not mention that he listended to it.  I feel sorry for the guy I mean come on left the greatest band ever and now seems like he wants back in.  What did he think Scott weiland could walkin in Axl shoes  :rofl:  In all seriousness your right he didn't post it on his website, but he let the public know he's listened to the record. 

I still have a lot of respect for Slash, and I think it's cool as hell the he likes the album.  He was asked the question, he answered it honestly, isn't that what we want of our entertainers?

You're absolutely right. I don't understand why there's so much hatred towards Slash, I really don't. I have a lot of respect for him as an artist and I can't wait to see him at the VMAs. I refuse to hate him. I don't care what he says in his book and blah blah... maybe he needed to get it out of his system so that he could grow some respect towards Axl again. Who knows.

IMO it seems Slash started to "grow some respect towards Axl again" when the backlash from GNR fans started to hit him from all the shit he was spewing against Axl in his book and in interviews.

I don't think anyone here hates Slash.  A lot of us just hate his media-whore attention-seeking bullshit.


On topic:  I wonder if Slash is gonna turn over to the FBI the name of the guy who gave him CD so that that guy can "rot in jail" with the other guy since he says he so against someone stealing copyrighted unreleased material like that.

I genuinely don't understand all these "media whore" accusations against Slash. Magazines, websites etc. contact him for interviews, they ask him questions and he answers them. I mean, different if he phoned up some magazine and said "Hey, I listened to Chinese Democracy, put this on the front page!" but he didn't.

And answering a question in an interview is much more interesting than refusing to comment. Looks like you've got someting to hide... ;)

Slash prior to and since his book has ALWAYS said how highly he regards Axl as a musician. In the book he also made sure to point out that it was HIS point of view, and Axl may well have a different one which would be just as valid.

Certain people see that as spewing shit because they can't accept negativity towards Axl, on the flip side of it some people will take everything said in the book to be gospel. because they'd believe that Slash can't be wrong.

And as for the media whore thing, I guess that makes every popular musician one, because they're always in the media answering the questions they're asked.

That's right, I don't think he's seeking attention because he's interviewed by the media. It's only cool he answers most of them..

Why do you think Slash wants to get back in GN'R? Slash complements Axl and the "new" line-up in this interview. He didn't say 'the album sucks and would have been better if I was still in the band' or something like that. No, he likes it.

Cool.

didn't a photographer close to slash say he liked it too? and his bosom friend, a rock critic or something as well.
that was in February or march.
I believe they all claimed that someone gave it to them. wonder if those are all same leak.


I thought VanityFair was a fashion magazine.

What is the problem here?

Did people honestly expect Slash to never comment on the album? As soon as the album is released everytime he is interviewed he is bound to be asked about it...

And what is the problem with him saying he liked it? Would you rather he said he hated it and it was rubbish? Would that make you appreciate him more?

He was asked a question and he answered it. End of story!

Maybe he could've waited until it's out before "reviewing" it?




/jarmo

I wonder if these comments from Slash could persuade those who dismiss the current GNR to give CD a listen when it's released??

I don't think he meant it as a review. He was asked a question and he gave an answer. Some people are speculating that Slash wants back in and is trying to reach back to him. We don't even know for sure who is in the band right now and some people are speculating that Axl will put out CD and then reunite with the old members. Who know? I sure don't.

This is cool for me... since I love the current Gn'R work n' also Slash as my favourite Gn'R guitarist off all time (is this a sin?). I think is very simple: Slash is a musician, n' a guy who listen to music n' know how to play it, he listened the new material (we don't even know wtf he listened) n' he liked it. Period. The guy loves music, heard what Axl was doing these years since he left the band n' said: great statement.  :peace:

Exactly.  He was asked a question and he answered it.  However, I don't think Slash wants "back in" or regrets it. 

Other comments were made about his possibly having the leaks - not necessarily.  I'm sure the man still has connections, somewhere. 

I think it's admiral that he said something positive.  He didn't criticize it.  He could have, if he wanted, but he didn't. 

i don't know about anyone else, but Slash has been sucking Axl's dick through the media MASSIVELY recently.. I think he wants to kiss and make up.

I mean, even in his book - he purposely throws in heaps of times Axl was really nice to him, and the cool stuff he did. He even makes a point that he defended Axl against Weiland. Axl is a fucking psycho who hates him! he should be ripping in to the guy! If Slash doesn't have a motive to make up with Axl, why is he being nice about him? Why is he adding "just shows what a great musician Axl is, i get where he was going". Thats totally unnesscasary - just say what u think of the album

He TOTALLY wants to be friends again..

Why should he say negative things?  What purpose would that serve?  I'm sure he's learned, enough, about the media, through the years, to know that it's better not to rip into someone.  Just causes more controversy and makes things worse.  Maybe it's just growing up and being more mature about one's outlook on things.   

well he doesn't have to say negative things, but he doesn't have to say POSITIVE things! he should just say nothing! He clearly wants Axl back. call it "growing up", he's a cock sucker! but i love him to pieces

If he said he didnt like the album.. everyone would be here saying how he's just jealous about it... as he said positive stuff now he's an ass kisser.

there's always the need to brag endlessly... :-X

why on earth would he be jealous if he didn't like it?

well sometimes when one says he hates something, deep inside ones loves it and just envys it.

haha psychology  ;D

But most of the time people may just be saying how they feel, cos people hate stuff. I hate how theyre always has to be an alterior motive or some such bollocks

Very true. 

just my opinion but, i think Slash gets bashed a lot because he always comes across like he has some sort of personal agenda.

i cant put my finger on it, he just seems untrustworthy for some reason ???

You thought he came across as having a personal agenda, in this?   ??? 

not necessarily here, just in general.

I do find it funny though that he listened to the leaks after his little "rot in jail" comment

That he listened to the "leaks" is only insinuation.  We don't know that.       

thats true

Well, if he didn't like it people would be saying he's just jealous. Same happened now as he said he likes it; "he's just kissing ass".

Maybe he just liked it..? Huh? ::)

when people say contreversial shit to mass media, there is very OFTEN a motive. Millions of people are gonna read it, Slash knows this, and he's grown mature enough to not say what ever the fuck comes into his head. Reading his book, he treads the lines very carefully, and thus we have every reason to believe he treads the lines carefully in the mass media.

By the way, if slash DID say he hated the album i do agree he would be called out for jealousy - thats something he couldn't get out of.

But the fact that he did like it does not mean his is kissing ass. It's his comments on Axl that indicate he's kissing ass; totally unnessacary compliments about a VERY VERY contreversial subject, he's a kiss ass! If he didn't mention how "brilliant" Axl was, it wouldnt really be justified to call him a kiss ass (no evidence). But he's given us some pretty strong evidence...

me-1 everyone else-0 ;)

that was just my point.  : ok:

So everyone who thinks Axl is "brilliant" and isn't affraid to say so is a cocksucker! Strange theory.

Some of you sound like hypocritical politicians. You cannot accept when someone does a good deed if they are an advessary of yours. Instead you criticize the good deed and then you sound like an idiot because you have no credibility since all you do is bash and talk shit.

Slash was asked a question and answered honestly. How more honest can his response be. He said he thinks the music is good but different than what the original GNR would have created. Is there any dispute in that? He also said... Axl is brilliant, which I think most on this board would agree regardless of what happened or what you think of new/old GNR.

How is that sucking his cock. If Axl would be asked what do you think of VR do you think he would come out and say it sucks. Most likely not... if he would say it sucked he would sound like a dick and maybe come accross as jealous or spiteful. He would probably just say... It sounds good... different than the original or new GNR. Slash came up with some cool riffs as always. Thats it. If he says the former is he a pussy? Or is he sucking Slash's cock because he can honestly say that some of his riffs are cool?

I think it is cool Slash is giving him props. I love Slash and the original GNR, however, I also love Axl and think new GNR has made some cool music which I cannot wait to hear.

It's funny how the people who are always saying that people need to accept the new GNR and not live in the past wishing for a reunion are the same people who get pissed off at anything the original members say or do even when praising or complimenting Axl and new GNR.

It's like if someone tells you... "your good looking"... and your response to them is... Fuck you asshole! I still do not comprehend how these people are even GNR fans when they literally hate Slash and the original members. I don't think that the people who prefer the original members over the new GNR actually hate Axl or the new members. These people only wish to someday see the original members for one last time, most probably because they are responsible for creating their favorite songs and they simply never got the opportunity to see them live. What the fuck is so terrible about that.

Additionally, people such as myself want the new music to come out, and to support the band, and Axl. However, we would alsolike for Axl to speak to his fans and let them know what is going on with himself and GNR GOOD or BAD, simply because we are fands.

And for those saying Slash is a media whore... shut the fuck up already with that shit. You act as if Slash is coming out on Barney and friends or jamming with Jonnas Brothers or whatever their name is. Don't sit there and tell me that you would not love for Axl to be out there in the media letting you know what he thinks about certain music, where his inspirations come from, what he was going through in his personal life when he came up with a song, etc.

As a matter of fact in the 80's & 90's Axl was ALWAYS on MTV doin interviews with Kurt Loder and Ricky Ratman and Tabitha Soren and a bunch of other people. So I guess he was a media whore too back in the day. Actually he was just being cool and informing his fans of what was going on in the GNR world atthe time. Now he does not do that and that is his decision, but as a fan of Axl I would love to see more interviews of Axl or him performing with other musicians, or coming out on music award shows (presenting or performin), and or any other kind of exposure that would allow his fans to know him better and the new GNR members.

Awww, the truth hurts?

Since this is the VR section, take a look at the others in that band.

Duff is in the press here and there promoting his new Loaded EP. That makes sense. He's actually playing shows with Loaded to promote it too.


Slash is in the papers, promoting...... What? Himself?

I thought his book tour ended last year....  He's not promoting the new solo album since it's not done and he's definitely not promoting Libertad.

Matt Sorum is, like often, just trying to keep the fans interested in his band by posting those non-updates on their Myspace.





Nice try of changing the focus to Axl.




/jarmo

Everyone in VR except for Dave are out promoting different things. Duff is out performing with Loaded, he has been coming out on different talk radio shows to promote Nutsie.com, He came out on Loaded Livethrough this on Fuse the other night, plus he also does numerous print interviews promoting VR, Loaded, Nutsie.com, etc. Matt was out doing all types of promotions for Camp Freddy, his clothing line, his website Matt Sorum TV, VR, and some of the artists which record in his studio. Slash is out promoting Reckless Road with Marc Canter, performing at Lallapallooza with Perry Ferrel, jamming with Camp Freddy, and is asked to perform with numerous musicians all the time. All these guys talk to the media, which is smart from a business perspective because they keep people interested in them and the bands that they are in as you indicated, so that is why they speak to the media.  Additionally Slash is in the papers because he goes to award shows like 2008 VMAS, plays at different award shows, festivals, ceremonies, were there is media all over and he does not shy away from being asked questions... once again what is the problem with that. You could be honest and just admit that if Axl were to do exactly the same it would be awesome and he would not be considered a media whore either.

No problem.

Why do you have a problem with people pointing out the fact that he seems to love being in the spotlight?

Even when he's not got a new record, book, guitar, action figure or video game out.



/jarmo

Well, Ellen might have been pushing the envelope.  ;)

You seem to have problem with him being in the spotlight so you give bad comments on everything he does. Don't understand what the point is.. It's really anoying to read your bashing comments. What is your point? Getting attention like Slash? Why don't you go with no comment, like you wanted Slash to do in another thread? Why do you write about someone you seem to hate?

Hate?

I comment, just like you.

The fact that I don't see things like you shouldn't matter.

If you have a different opinion, why not try to convince me that I'm wrong with facts instead of this old "why do you post about Slash when you hate him so much?" or "Axl was on MTV too!" shit?



You don't get the impression that he loves the spotlight and will appear almost anywhere?

Even when he's not promoting anything.


Did you like him trying to sell his house on Ellen? Was that cool?






/jarmo

If you dont like what someone has posted, Why don't you go with no comment ?  :hihi: :P

It's really cool I think. If someone ask him to be a part of a show or something, that he think is fun why shouldn't he participate on it? What is he supose to do else? Sit at home just because some fans don't like to hear from him?? He's a big star and he is a good promoter, but he does it because he want to do it. I can't see the problem. And the hate question, as long as I can remember you have comment on almost all Slash post since a year or something and all comments are bad. It seems to me that you hate him, but what do I know?

I use to do that, but right now I wanted to give a comment.

Good for you.


I think if he goes on a TV show to promote a record, that's part of being a professional musician.

But trying to sell your house....

Maybe it's supposed to be comedy.





/jarmo

 The thing is that when velvet revolver was formed, slash and the press couldnt get enough of trying to hurt Axl, but now Axl got a brand new song coming out on very popular video game, slash has all of a sudden found a new love for his former band member.

And that is not good? You don't want them to be friends?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJKfzZZM5eA

The point of my pervious post is that It has nothing to do about having a freindship with Axl the reason why slash is now saying nice things is to make his public image look good, to make slash look like he "isn't the bad guy"
 :peace:

who's that?

I agree. I think he also realizes that if he bad talks Axl and CD does really well he will look like an idiot especially now that VR has fallen apart.

I think hes trying to seem as supportive as possible so he wont have to eat his words if CD is really successful.

Why does it bother you? If had said anything bad about Axl you would have been mad. If he says something good your mad also, what is he supose to say? Maybe the fact is that he want's to get in touch with Axl after all these years? Maybe he just like the album. Why would Slash be the bad guy?

Slash, turning up somewhere for $$$

Integrity!

the usual going around and playing songs he shouldn't be playing with people who have no business singing them.

Yeah no kidding, It was pathetic watching him up there on the VMA's.  What the hell was he doing there ? well its not his fault he left the biggest band in the world cause he couldn't have his way.  I say F U slash you say you hated SCOM and Nov Rain, well guess what those songs that Axl wrote made you alot of money and fame.  He ain't shit without Axl obviously Axl doesn't need him, all Axl did was take his time and put out a record that VR couldn't even come close to making musically and lyrically.  Axl has a vision ! Slash has a vision of $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

I do not have a problem with Slash if he likes being in the spotlight. I love the fact that he does interviews and is friendly with the media. Even when he is not necessarilly promoting something. That is actually an added plus. I wish more celebrities would do that. However, I do have an issue when people criticize him and call him names because he compliments Axl and GNR. Once again he can never make fans such as yourselves happy.

If Slash would come out and say Axl is a fuckhead, new GNR sucks ass, and BBf is a shitty guitar player I would be the first to say Slash is talking shit and is a dickhead for saying shit like that. Additionally, I would look forward to Axl's response. But for him to come out and say hey the music is good and Axl is Brilliant. DUDE! What more do you want? according to some of you this is kissing his ass. If he would have said no comment, then he would be a pussy. And if he says it sucks, then he is talking shit. So once again what do you want him to say or do.

I think the appropriate reaction from us should simply be... that was cool on Slash's part period, no more no less.

By the way when CD comes out you know Axl will be asked the same questions as slash. What about VR? Have you heard their music? What do you think of their music? Have you talked to Slash? What about a reunion? Etc. And yes it will be annoying and yes Axl will be annoyed and so will the rest of the band.

With regards to Slash going on Ellen to sell his house. First it was smart BUSINESS. The real estate market is down and he was having trouble selling his house. What better way to go on a national show with millions of viewers to promote selling his house. If you had a few million bucks laying around and you saw Slash selling his house... would you not love to buy his house. Shit I would have loved to have bought the house he sold to Billy Bob Thorton with the Snakepit Studio.

The second point is that it is FUN! Slash invited ellen over showed her the house, played guitar and talked shit with Ellen, and had fun. Slash is a 40 year old man who has made millons of dollars and has millions of fans worldwide. Just like Axl, he does not give a shit what you and I think. He is going to do whatever he wants, and he probably knows or has met Ellen and she invited him on his show. So who cares. Maybe Perla loves Ellen's show and Slash said fuck it tell her to come over to show her the house to please his wife. You are going to say that after 20 plus years and after selling millions of records worldwide with three different bands and playing with the whos who in the music industry he is not cool because he went on the Ellen show to show his house. Please!

As a matter of fact I thought it was cool to see his house and where he lives. Apparently I am not the only one because MTV happens to have a show where millions of people tune in each and every week to see celebrities show their homes to their fans, if you have not heard of it, its called MTV CRIBS.

Who knows maybe when CD comes out Axl will come out on CRIBS and show us his house. I would love for this t happen to see what those who criticized Slash would say then.

I meant the people he's playing with...

Well your user name is Hudson so I wouldn't expect anything less from you. ;)




Definitely. I'd buy it straight away and then sue his ass for not telling me about the lack of parking.....

 :hihi:



Are all those houses for sale?

 :P



/jarmo

"WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE MOTHERFUCKER!"

but seriously dont hold your breath

Nice post Hudson, I agree with you!!!

Should Slash be hiding in the shadow like Axl? Why can't he do his own thing? I wouldn't mind to see more of him.

I think Axl has maintained his integrity by staying in the shadows. It makes people actually give a fuck when he  does do something.

It's not about Axl.

Stop trying to turn this around and answer the question.

Thanks.



/jarmo

if you don't like being in the spotlight, don't even try to become a rockstar

Maybe he's trying to keep himself in the limelight, knowing Axl (Gn'R) is going to drop Chidem, and tie up the music media for a while...VR is not in a good place right now, and a slight breeze could make them dust in the wind.  He could pull a Baz and start cashing in his chips for interviews/comments on Axl's work - use it to promo/piggyback his (VR's) new singer.

Watch the Estranged video, you can see his house all you want!!! :)

I really want to know if Slash heard the finished product and if so who gave it to him?

maybe he knows how to use utorrents?

he said someone gave it to him.

and thats what im wondering: did he just hear the leaks or did he hear the finished product?

probably more Perla than him.

but I still think it's the "fnished product" he was talking about.
if fans like us can have 9 songs, someone like Slash can probably have the full LP at the same time...

and this has gone so far off topic it's unreal.

slash is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't when asked questions about GnR.


very unlikely

Slash is a two face SOB ! Axl is ten times the person Slash will ever be ! go read del james interview and that's the truth right there folks.  Its so F Clear to from watching him present a award at the worst VMA's I've ever seen.  Maybe him and T Pain can start a business selling top hat's.

"Whoever is telling the story, if enough people read and believe something and there is no argument to the contrary, then it becomes accepted as gospel."

works for everyone, and in this case it's Del telling the story... and now you've read it, believed it and you won't hear any arguement to the contrary.

Slash appears at the VMAs and performs with someone and people can't stop taking the piss on here. Richard Fortus does the exact same thing and gets praised for it. Interesting.

He says something positive about GnR and still there's outrage! Poor ol' Slash can't win can he?  :hihi:

ok first off Richard wasn't presenting a award he was playing Rhianna's band BIG DIFFRENCE !!!! and im sure about 2 percent of that crowd knew that Richard was playing up there.  Second of all this is the first time i've heard Del say anything about Slash ! and let me remind you.  Just because your guitar hero plays the same ol riff over and over again and looks like he did 20 years ago, doesn't mean he was telling the truth about Axl.  Let's put it this Axl wanted to go in a new direction and slash wasn't talented enough to do so.  Slash can say all the good things he wants about GnR HE AIN'T GETTING BACK IN.

 :rofl: Slash plays with Fergie. Fortus plays with Rihanna. Oh I get it-its because they're different women!

Your 'guitar hero' (and I do like Fortus) is playing that 'not talented' Slash's riffs. Pot. Kettle. Black.

No, the problem is him "reviewing" the record before it's out.

First he says he wishes the leaker will rot in jail and then he goes on to talk about an album that's not out yet.

So, how did he get it?

He sure as hell didn't go and buy it.

Someone gave it to him?

Isn't that what the leaker used as his defense?





/jarmo

ok you didn't read what I said " I said Slash wasn't talented enough to play the new material" Slash was up there playing with Fergie as in a duo.  Richard was up there playing as a session player BIG DIFFRENCE.  You can sit there and come up with excuses all day for Slash it ain't gonna work.  It is what it is ! Slash regrets leaving GnR and now he's trying to get into good graces with Axl, after he f*cked Axl over in the press.

There's a difference between leaking a bunch of songs online and just listening to the leaks themselves. Listening to the leaks themselves isn't gonna harm the sales of the record-especially considering the people who have downloaded them are the most hardcore of fans. I personally have only heard the said leaks live so I don't know the quality of them professionally. Leaking the album online will obviously affect sales. Slash does not contradict himself in this sense.

You're stating personal opinion and not solid facts here. There is no evidence to suggest Slash could not handle the new material-just because he plays straightforward rock in VR does not mean he cannot experiment in other styles. Both Slash and Fortus played with a pop musician-there is no difference no matter how you try and create different playing roles. There is also no evidence that Slash wants to return to GnR. Again that is your opinion. Lets stick to facts please. :P

@ jarmo as you have said yourself can you not see the difference between 2 things...

someone gave it to the leaker, he then took it upon himself to put it on his website for the world to download

someone gave it to slash (full album? who the fuck knows apart from slash) and he listened to it, and then someone asked him about it and he didn't lie. i mean we all know how much you like it when slash lies, but now it seems you don't like him telling the truth either?


this isn't about axl. stop bringing axl into it...

I know the difference between leaking songs online and listening to them.  ::) That's not what this is about at all.



But the fact remains, both of them got songs that are not out somehow.

One put the online (not cool) and the other one basically reviewed the songs.


Why not just wait until the album is out for the review?

Imagine if he in fact has listened to the same leaks that he wishes the guy responsible will rot in jail.....




/jarmo

i dont class what slash did as a review. Surely a review is a bit more detailed or gives a rating. I dont feel he has done either. A question to you Jarmo.... If someone is t let you have a copy before it hits the shelves, are you honestly saying you wont listen to it until you can go and buy it also?? even if its a gift from someone in the gn'r camp?? (technically that was 2 questions).

Jarmo, please answer this question honestly: have you ever listened to any of the leaks? I'm not asking for a review here, a yes or no will do.

Since a lot of people have gotten attacked for talking about the album when it's not out (not mentioning any names), does this apply for Slash?  :hihi:


Listening to an album is one thing, but now he's talking to the press about it. And not just "I can't wait to hear it" stuff.

Just like talking about the leaker created additional headlines, this will once again prove to all Slash fans how cool he is for being nice towards Axl.

Are his feelings genuine? I don't know...



I have answered that in the past and what does this have to do with me?

Why is it that every other thread is either about Axl or me in this section?  :P



/jarmo

if he lies they bitch
if he's honest they bitch
if he compliments axl they bitch
if he slags off axl they bitch
if he talks about vr they bitch
if he talks about gnr they bitch

basicly if Slash opens his mouth Jarmo, JB etc will bitch, it doesn't matter what he says, they will find something a reason to bitch about it.


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suicide jarmo has said he heard the leaks. but not in full.

Some of these "slash isn't talented enough, he wants back in GNR" comments sound ridiculous. And I don't think he wants back in GNR either. Considering the number of times he's said something along the lines of "I doubt it'll ever happen" when asked about GNR reunions, he doesn't seem too anxious to "want back in". Perhaps he does want to be on good terms with Axl again? Not because he wants to be in GNR, but just to be friends (sorta) again. Perhaps he does think the songs he's heard are brilliant? Not everything you read is a lie....

I was being sarcastic. The simple thought of it makes me laugh.  :hihi:

Wrong. He's free to talk about his own band, record, action figure, performing with the Best Buy band or whatever.

But he just can't stop talking about Axl can he?


Remember that one time when he said he was done talking about Axl/GN'R?

And it lasted for that one interview....



I'm glad he says he likes the music. But what would've happened if he said the opposite? Wouldn't it have made him seem bitter?



Maybe it'll mean the Slash fans can get over the fact that it's not AFD now...





/jarmo

Do you know where or what did Slash hear the cd? Or which one gave him the music?
Baz reviewed CD several times... n' so many others (for example David Wild)...
We know that those people heard the cd because of Axl or with his permission so there's no problem...
Also a lot of musicians or producers involved in the project n' people form Universal or form the industry...
We didn't know if Slash listened to the leaks or who gave the music...
maybe Axl? who knows! :hihi:

I just don't understand the reasoning, here.  Someone asked him about it - he answered.  He answered positively - he didn't give a "review".  He could have slammed it, I suppose, but he didn't.  Why shouldn't he have heard some of it? or have received a copy?   He used to be in that band, so I'm sure he still has some connections, somewhere.   And he's free to talk about whatever the fuck he wants, and to answer questions, when asked, even if it is about Axl, again.  He used to be in the band, an integral part of the band - so I'm sure people who do interviews are going to, logically, bring that up.      

Yeah, if he'd answered the opposite, he'd be accused of being bitter.  So, he answers positively, and he "just can't stop talking about Axl" and he "wants to be back in the band", according to some of the above posts.  

Slash is one of the Top 5 greatest guitarist ever there's not doubt about it.  Just  hasn't reinvented himself and he seems stuck in the past.  He said he wrote his book to stop talking about GnR and he seems to still talks about the old band.  I hate to break it to you guys the old band ain't coming back. 

If Slash would want to be in good graces with Axl, I wouldn't be that suprised. They spent some great years together, they shared something special, they were very close, they supported each other when there was need for it and blah blah blah.. I think there's enough reason for these two, and all the other "old guys" too, to get into good graces with each other. It has nothing to with wanting back to GN'R or getting their names on the paper.

Slash will always be asked about GNR. GNR is what made him famous. And if he refused to speak about the band at all, it would look..... odd. It's like Robert Plant being asked about Led Zeppelin. He doesn't seem too keen to have a full-blown reunion and seems happy with his solo career but people ask him questions about the band all the time. Perhaps Slash would like to not speak so much about Guns and focus on new music/VR etc. but people will always be interested.

Slash should take a page out of Duffs book. he keeps a low profile generally, doesnt really do interviews unless he has something to talk about, and when asked about Axl/GNR he simply says something like " I wish them the best" end of story. :smoking:

Sebastian Bach has talked alot more about the album than Slash and he has been giving alot more details.. You think that is ok? If not why don't you complain about Sebastian to?

I could be mistaken but I think Sebastian has made sure to get Axls blessings before revealing any info about the album.

I remember him saying how he asked Axl if it was OK to mention certain song titles etc

Ok so you want Axl to bless Slash, like if he were God or something?

yes thats exactly what im saying ::)

Why? Because Sebastian isn't Slash.

Axl sang on his album. Doesn't that tell you something?


Yeah, obviously you Slash fans can say that Slash constantly talking about Axl is the same thing as Baz talking about his friend.

Unfortunately for you, I don't think it's the same thing.



Somebody mentioned Duff.

Now, compare him and Slash.

It's quite interesting how differently they conduct themselves.

Sure, Duff has said some things I might not agree with over the years, but it seems like he doesn't need to constantly talk about Axl.






/jarmo

But I think Slash is the one the media wants to talk about Axl.

Everybody wants to talk about Axl.....



/jarmo

^I guess it shows that there's still interest in him.

The people that stand out the most in big bands are usually for the most part the lead guitarist and lead singer, i.e. Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Tyler/Perry, Axl/Slash. Lets look at original GNR. Who stood out the most... AXL/Slash.

The hardcore fans know that the success of the band and their music was a result of all 5 members contributions not just one or two. The casual fans usually only sees Axl and Slash because they were at the forefront of the band, i.e. the voice/lyrics, and guitar solos of GNR, and stamped all over MTV news and videos back in the day.

I remember watching the SCOM video when I was a little kid and there was something about Slash, you could not keep your eyes off his top hat and hair covering his face. He was like a cartoon character to me at the time. Axl is always going to stand out because he is the singer and has a tremendous presence. The rest of the members kind of faded into the background and did their thing while still kicking ass. So people are mostly interested in these two.

People that think Slash is always talking about Axl are people from these boards. Additionally the reason SLash talks about Axl is because he is constantly asked about Axl plain and simple. How many of you ever had a best or close friend for years for example from high school, you graduate move away and then you run into people from high school once in a while and they ask you hey what up with so and so... do you still talk to them? You probably have not talked or seen that person in years, but you will always be associated with that person. Same thing here no matter what you say Slash and Axl will always be associated together regardless if they ever speak to each other again, because they made ROCK HISTORY together.

From the former members Slash has the most stuff going on and yes he likes to go out and jam, go to parties, award shows, etc, etc. HE is a rock star! That is kind of what they do remember. I mean its the times we live in if it was the eighties you would probably not know of half these things. Today with the internet, youtube, and TMZ everyone is trying to get a piece of you... and Slash happens to be friendly and talk to people which is cool because we know what is going on with him.

All the other guys get asked the same stuff just less frequently because Steven is never invited to events like the American Music Awards, VMAS, etc. anymore and neither is Izzy, or Gilby. If they would, trust me everyone would ask them the same thing. Hey whats up with Axl? When was the last time you talked to Axl? Have you guys talked about a reunion? People are interested in these things even though we already know the answer since we are constantly reading up on this shit.

I am glad that they asked Slash that question and that he said he liked it, because I wanted to see what his opinion is. Like it or not it does matter to some people. There are several interviews that I have read or heard with Duff that they have asked him if he has listened to the new music from GNR and he always says no. I always find that hard to believe and seems a little weird, because I am sure he can get his hands on the material like Slash or he could listen to the stuff on the internet or youtube. Or someone has come into the studio and gone on youtube to show a clip of new GNR. I mean remember when VR dressed up like new GNR a few years ago for HAlloween? I mean he has to have listened to a couple of the songs by now, just like I am sure Axl has listened to VR by now. SO why not just admit it? It's like asking Jennifer Aniston hey have you heard Bradd Pitt married Angelina Jolie and had a couple of kids... and her response nah I haven't heard... oh Really!

So maybe he does not want to say so when he does interviews, but to me that it kind of bothers me a little bit because its not honest and it seems like he does not want to aknowledge what GNR is doing. So I see this more disturbing personally than when Slash says he heard it and liked it.

I respect Axl's choice to be reclusive and stay away from the media, although I would like to hear more from him. I would like to know if he has heard VR material, has he talkded to any of the former members, including Slash, and yes what he thinks about the reunion (although I probably already know the answer, but I want to hear it from the horses mouth), aside from a million of other questions related to both new and old GNR, and most importantly him.

We all come on these boards to get information on our favorite band. That we all have in common. So I find it strange that some criticize one of the former members for giving us information whenever he is asked... while praising others for not giving any information when inside you are dying to know when the album is coming out, when they are going to tour, whats up with Robin, what does the cover art look like, etc. That does not make sense.

Do you remember when he said he was gonna stop?

Didn't he write a book in order to get less GN'R questions?





/jarmo

Apparently not everyone has read his book.

I don't read your books either

Answer the question: Didn't he say that getting so many GN'R questions was one of the reasons he wrote it?




/jarmo

the Slash book has absolutely nothing to do with the new leaks, so there is no point to mention it here.
and i bet, Jarmo, if you would quit this board becoming a new moderator of a POISON website people would still ask you about GN'R.
i respect every artists' choice to talk or not to talk about certain things from their past or current activities.

Yes, he did say that is one of the reasons he wrote the book, not the only reason. Additionally, he did not say that he would not answer another GNR question as a result of his book.

He gets questions asked and he answers. Example, when he went on David Lettermen to promote his book, Dave "Specifically" asked him about the story about Axl jumping out of his car. Dave did not say... well tell the audience something from the book and Slash randomly picked an Axl story.

Listen I get annoyed when Rolling Stone or some stupid media outlets ask the stupid resdundant questions we all know the answer... like when VR initially formed and they are asking Slash whats up with a GNR reunion. It's like dude we just formed a new band can you ask us about our new music. It is annoying. They will probably ask Axl the day when CD comes out the same shit... Hey Axl will there be a reunion?

Some of these rock journalist have no clue what is really going on with these musicians and quite frankly it is embarrassing. Jarmo I am sure you and any one of us here can ask Axl, new GNR, and the former members way more interesting questions than probably 90% of the people who actually get the opportunity to do an interview.

However, I would say that asking Slash if he has heard CD is interesting and something that I have been wanting to know the answer to for quite some time.

There was a time when he was getting asked this question and he would say that he had not heard CD. I thought that was bullshit because we have all heard new GNR on youtube, the internet, whatever. So I think he was just dodging the question.

Now he said he heard it and liked it. Thank you... that is all I wanted to know.

If he would say no comment to GNR questions that would just be the most irritating thing in the world IMHO.

I think we, as Guns N' Roses fans, over the years (and specially in times of lack of news), have got an hability to kind of "over read" what people say. Trying to find it the good or the bad side of everything. This guys are constantly exposed to interviews. This guys have played in a band like Guns N' Roses, and reached a level of exposure in which every blood licker interviewer would want to take juicie words from them. And that is what actually happens. And we, as fans, get to all this information, which repeats all the time kind of the same.

And with that capacity of "over reading" everything, trying to find (yes, us too) the juicie part of everything, we misunderstand everything. I personally think that Slash just gave his opinion of what he thought about the album, and over-reading it, trying to find something to criticize him, all this controversy was started. If Slash have said that this album was crap, nobody would be talking about "how he wants to talk about Axl".

It's true too, that Slash could just say 'I don't want to talk about that' and that's it. I think that, trying to be nice with everyone, maybe talks too much about certain topics of which he should be more careful. But I don't think it has an interest. I don't think he does it with the intention of auto-benefit himself or damage Axl, at all.

I don't know, at least this is what I think. And sorry about my english. I'm from Argentina.

I asked a legit question.

So all Slash fans, didn't he say he wrote the book partly due to all the GN'R questions he gets.

Follow up question, have you noticed a decrease in his GN'R talk since the book came out?




Of course not.



I believe he said something before Libertad was released.






/jarmo

I believe Slash specified that he wanted to clear up questions about why he left the band and why a reunion was unlikely.  People  still approached him like they couldn't believe he wasn't still with GNR.  He never said he wouldn't mention the band again or his opinion on any new music.

Having said that.....he does an awful lot of interviews for somebody with nothing to promote right now.

That's true... agree. N' also Rock magazines n' press in general don't write or ask for the hardcore Gn'R forum fans  :hihi: They care about massive public.
BTW i'm argentinian too  :beer:

Yes.

That ONLY means that his book wasn't able to reach one of his objetives.  :-\


Tell me you're a Boca Juniors fan and you could be my lost brother  :hihi:

He promotes himself. Not an album or anything but just himself. And when he do put out an album or something like that, he will sell alot better than he would have if he had not promote himself like he do now.  : ok: It's buisness and I think he like to hang around!

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what a bunch of sh1t

What? Which part?

the whole thing. i mean come on, people are on here arguing about slash praising what he heard, then it turns into a case of why should he say anything, why should he hear the leaks. So fkn what, he heard the new album, axl recorded the damn thing, lots of people have heard bits n bobs of it over the years, so what. If these people want to comment on it, be it that they were allowed to hear it or not, does it matter a fu9k?

Listen Slash want's to live off his legacy of what happend 20 years ago.  Plus he wasn't forced out of GnR he made the choice and now he has to live with it.  My parents divorced over 12 years ago and I don't go around talking about the past and how I felt ! its water under the bridge.  Slash needs to find a singer that's what he needs to be doing and talking about.

i think you did just mention your parents divorce. guess the water is rising again.

He need to find a new singer, agree! I think he is looking for one right now and also working on new music. And he talk about whatever he want to talk about. If I wasn't aloud to mention my past if someone asked I would be sad.

Slash has listened to Chinese Democracy. Big WOW! so has alot of us. I'm happy to hear he liked it. He admitted old Guns couldn't have made this album and he respects what Axl is doing now. People shouldn't knock Slash for his statement. He was really cool about it. He had his reasons for quitting Guns, he was there, in the band. Not any of the rest of us. Quit slagging him off. I'm sure he couldn't give a fuck what ayone else thinks. He's  a happy man with a great reputation as a musician and a great legacy and he's fuckng loaded

Tell me you're a Boca Juniors fan and you could be my lost brother  :hihi:
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Yes, I'm Boca Juniors fan  : ok: As I see we're also the most popular team in this forum (This is for you Estebanf!  :hihi:)

then why the revisionist biographies?

Have you noticed a decrease in the amount of questions he gets asked, about it?  As a former lead guitarist in one of the biggest bands in the world, he's going to be asked questions in interviews.

Duff may keep a lower profile, but there tends to be less interest, by the media, in the bassist than what there is in the lead singer and lead guitarist.  In a lot of bands, those two positions seem to garner the most attention. 

I dont believe it has anything to with him being more famous than Duff.

Im pretty sure the media tends to ask him more about Axl/GNR because he lends himself more to media outlets and they know he will answer them.

Duff doesnt give them any insight or dirt he just says he wishes them the best or something.

SLASH Comments On 'Chinese Democracy' Single; Audio Available - Oct. 23, 2008

Former GUNS N' ROSES and current VELVET REVOLVER guitarist Slash was interviewed earlier today (Thursday, October 23) by Toucher and Rich of the Boston radio station WBCN 104.1 FM. During the course of the interview, Slash had an opportunity to check out the new GUNS N' ROSES single "Chinese Democracy" for the first time and was asked to offer his opinion on what he heard. "That sounds cool," Slash replied, before adding, "It's good to hear [Axl Rose's] voice, you know?!"

To check out the entire interview in streaming audio format, go to www.wbcn.com.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=107532

100% with Slash on this one

That DJ is a cock. What a wanker.

I must say Slash was reallt cool about everything and that dickhead with the mic was trying to get Slash to bite.


 :peace:

Yeah, I e-mailed that disgrace of a DJ about the interview.  Not that it'll do anything, but I just needed to let a little steam off. 

Slash played it the right way, as he has repeatedly in recent interviews.  He's obviously keeping that door open as best he can.

I didn't listen to it before posting...I thought that was all he said.

Yeah he's heard it, what? Who knows what he's heard.

He was very cool about it. To be honest, a little too cool about it.

Gn'R is great now, but it was greater long ago. They will never be able to replace Duff, Slash, Izzy and Steven.

Drummers come and go, Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy was the heart of that band.

They can never recreate that. So I'm tired of hearing people knock on Slash. He's a great guitarist, and no one can replace him.

So what is there to complain about? I don't know if I see anything. New Guns kick ass, old Guns kicked more.

He's cool with that. Why can't anyone let him live his life?

i agree, he was a complete tosser.

hearing him backtrack so quickly was quite funny though.

these dj's are fucking ass holes! i wish i could shoot them dead! fucking pricks!

good to see slash taking the high road on that one. : ok:

That was brutal. At first I was like "What are the guys on HTGTH even talking about? These guys havent said anything bad about the song" and BAM that one douche starts bashing. Slash actually sounded sort of pissed... lol. Very bad chances for a re-interview in the future if you ask me lol.

I thought the DJ was kind of funny. It goes to show you how careful you have to be not to bite on some of those questions, because that is how shit gets started. Slash was cool and respectful.

I heard another Slash interview yesterday on 790 the ticket a sports show... Slash was asked who was the most talented member in GNR and he said it was Axl and Steven. He said Axl was brilliant. He also said he has not talked to Axl in 12 years.  I think Slash will be doing more interviews because he is promoting the release of his book in paperback.

u know what, he probably tried to play the song too ;D

Slash on C.D.:

?That sounds cool,? Slash told a Boston radio station after hearing the song for the first time. ?It?s good to hear [Axl Rose?s] voice, you know??

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/10/24/news-ticker-slash-good-charlotte-paul-simon/

+1 karma for Slash!  :hihi:

Isnt it great that the lameass DJ who was bashing Axl and CD had the opposite effect? Instead of getting Slash to say something negative, Slash said something positive and now/will  is national news. It kind of takes some heat off the band.

Ive always said if the music is great then the whole old gnr vs new gnr thing would wear off. Having Slash say its cool or whatever(even if he doesnt mean it) speeds up that process. Thanks Slash. And thanks to the loser behind the mic. Axl cant lose this week lol

seemed like an asshole to me.  thats funny?


Slash did handle this with class.   Credit where credit is due.

What a douchebag DJ


Slash did handle it very well.

I don't know if this has been linked yet, I haven't seen it. But Slash is even giving the song a thumbs up.   :peace:

http://www.x1063.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=104691&article=4469654 (http://www.x1063.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=104691&article=4469654)

He said Axl and STEVEN what the hell, that must have been a joke, i love popcorn to death, but if he was so talented i think we would have heard more music from him since his departure rather than just bands covering appetite. Are you serious he said Steven, it had to be a joke just had to...

Im gonna tell u, drummers have EXTRAordinary influence over rhythm and how u riff.

AFD has a sound unlike any other album and a lot of that is due to Adler and his drumming style.

I recently had the pleasure of playing with an amazing drummer, and I've never been a metal guy to be honest as far as songwriting goes.

I use to struggle writing heavy guitar riffs.

Something about the way the dude played drums though, had me writing guitar riffs on the spot, every band practice i would come up with shit loads of cool riffs and it was all due to the way he played drums and how i was inspired by his beats and feel.

So don't underestimate that.

So Adler and his drumming had LOTS to do with AFD's success and greatness

I know people like to dismiss Adler cause of all the shit that has happened and the fact he was dumped.

But I've yet to hear 'ANYBODY" not just GNR drummers but ANY drummer since duplicate what Adler did on AFD


Lars, Tommy and Dave Grohl had moments, but Adler is an underrated drummer due to being placed in an 80's stereotype and the fact he has been made into a punchline the way he was kicked out of GNR.



Just listen to his swing and rhythm on Rocket Queen for example. mindblowing drumming


AFD is an all time classic because every instrument is a hook

U just don't sing Axl's vocals, but u hum the guitar solos, u air guitar Izzy's chords, U can even hum Duff's basslines and Adlers drums, who doesn't air drum that shit that he does?

^ Yeah well said.. Steven's just got the groove 8)

I remember several drum interviews, first Classic Rock were Steven was interviewed, he said Roger Taylor was a big inspiration for him. The particular way he used a kick/crash and stuff like that, he said it was all about the groove. I also remember Matt mentioning in his top x drummer list he did for a magazine that Steven gave GN'R a more punkrock sound because he had that kind of style on drums.

The interviewer said once how he wants CD to fail because slash isnt there then he brings up the solo on CD and says Slash tell me youre better then this but he replies Im not going to get in the middle of your guys debate.

Slash had an opportunity to check out the new Guns N' Roses single "Chinese Democracy" for the first time and was asked to offer his opinion on what he heard. "That sounds cool," Slash replied, before adding, "It's good to hear [Axl Rose's] voice, you know?!"

full audio here:: http://www.wbcn.com/pages/3191449 (http://www.wbcn.com/pages/3191449)

Slash Comments On The New GN'R Single
Friday ? October 24,  2008   7:44:08 AM

Former Guns N' Roses and current Velvet Revolver guitarist Slash was interviewed earlier today (Thursday, October 23) by Toucher and Rich of the Boston radio station WBCN 104.1 FM. During the course of the interview, Slash had an opportunity to check out the new Guns N' Roses single "Chinese Democracy" for the first time and was asked to offer his opinion on what he heard. "That sounds cool," Slash replied, before adding, "It's good to hear [Axl Rose's] voice, you know?!"


Slash recently spoke to the Artisan News Service about his upcoming solo album which is tentatively expected sometime next year.

"I'm just at the very tail end of doing demos for it right now," he said. "So, I'll probably have about four more songs left to record in demo form and then in January go into the studio and actually start recording. Schedule permitting, because I've got Velvet Revolver stuff if we find a singer. So, it's sort of a juggling act at the moment."

Although Slash didn't want to jinx anything by revealing any vocalists as of yet, it is rumored that his friends Lenny Kravitz, Sebastian Bach and Alice Cooper have initially committed to the project.

Source: Blabbermouth

Guitar1281: He was not joking when he mentioned Steven. I too was a little surprised because most people would not typically think of Axl & Steven as the most talented in the original band, but then again Slash was the one being asked the question.

The DJ also asked about a reunion and which drummer Slash would prefer... I cannot quote you Slash's response, but it was something along the lines that... although Matt is a great drummer he thinks Steven would be more appropriate because of the feel and his style (something like that). I was a little surprised he did not say Matt, but he did not say it as a knock against Matt, but more complimentary toward Steven.

Slash also said that Steven does not get a lot of credit perhaps because of  what happened, but that he is an amazing drummer. It appeared as though Slash has been in contact with Steven lately and they have been friendly, because they asked about Steven being in rehab and Slash was saying how he is trying to be there for him, etc. I thought that was cool too.

I have always struggled with which drummer I prefer between Steven and Matt. I think both are great but completely different. I think Steven is extremely talented and very underrated because of his drug issues. I finished reading reckless road recently, and I was amazed at how many songs GNR had written when they went to record AFD. They had material for AFD, Lies, and UYI I & II, plus a number of songs that were not released. Steven was part of that and that is pretty extraordinary, because there are a lot of cool drums on all those tracks.

I really hope Steven gets better because he has gone through some shit. Although a lot of it may have been his own doing, he seems to have a big heart and always PRAISE all the former members. Looking back... it has got to be depressing as shit seeing how he missed out on the best years of GNR because of his addiction.  He missed out on greater fame, fortune, and good times with the band, he will never get that back and that is hard to swallow.

People don't get me wrong, i know the importance of a great drummer/rhythm section, and I love the drumming on Appetite, but givin the knowledge of Steven that is presented to me from the media and his history, i wouldn't think he is in the top 2 brilliant minds in GNR, for sure Axl is there, we all know his track record, slash is obviously there but he is not going to say himself, hes not pompus, but you think he would have mentioned Izzy for the ability to write a song/second guitar part to perfectly compliment slash's, or duff who also had alot to do with the aggressive driving quality of the songs, I'm gonna repeat this again i  love'd adlers work, but based on the limited amount i've heard (just appetite and lies) i find it hard to consider him brilliant, if he did more things than rest on his appetite laurels after getting the boot i might then reconsider, or even if i heard his drumming to songs off of UYI, i just find it hard to belive he is one of the more talented members based on his musical output since then. But maybe if i knew steven adler the way slash does i could reconsider

Oct 28th 2008

All the music world is abuzz about the Nov. 23 release of Guns N' Roses' forever-in-the-making album 'Chinese Democracy.' Well, save for ex-GN'R guitarist Slash.

"I don't talk about it," he tells Spinner. "I'm not on that record, I have nothing to do with it and there's really nothing else to say."

http://www.spinner.com/2008/10/28/slash-diplomatic-about-chinese-democracy/

Thank you!




/jarmo

Slash doesn't wanna talk about GNR?? :confused:    That's gotta be a first!!!  :hihi:

I have to say for not talking about it...he's doing a lot of talking about it.  :hihi:

I don't understand you guys... what do you want him to say?

What could he say as a response that would satisfy you?

"No comment"

That would work.






/jarmo

He likes the song and said he heard the album and likes it. What's wrong with that?

I think you are a little harsh sometimes man. You have to cut the guy some slack. He said he liked the song and even said it was good to hear Axl's voice after so many years.

If he would say "no comment" people would bash him and say shit like he sound jealous, pissed, envious, whatever.  Besides people do want to know if he has heard and want to know what he thinks.  I am sure many people here would like to know if Axl has heard VR.

I would love to know if Axl would come out tomorrow and say... Slash and me are friends again. We talked about shit and we are cool now. I had a barbecue at my house Slash Perla and the kids came over and everything is honky dory between him and me.  What would all you guys say? I mean seriously. Are you going to say... you see Axl is so understanding what a great guy. Slash is now cool again! We love Axl and we love Slash... because Axl said it's o.k. to like him again.

The same people who calls Slash lovers Axl bashers are the exact same thing reversed.


Slash goes on a radio station is bombarded out of the blue with CD. he gives it his blessing and tells the guys they aren't cool for trashing it in so many words. Compliments Axl but guess what?

Some people on here act like Slash is talking about GNR to promote a paperback................... HOW? He didn't go there to talk about GNR, they brought it up and blindsided him with it and he answered in a great way.


So on the other thing, he says he doesnt want to talk about it cause he isn't on the record and he gets bashed also.

He cant win.

U don't want him to talk about GNR but when he doesn't, he still gets insulted.

That to me is ridiculous.

Saying No Comment makes him look like a hater and like he has a grudge.

I know when Someone is asked a question and they say no comment, it is most of the time taken as negative.

Also, who cares anyway? Slash has more than earned the right to say anything about whatever he wants to music related.



Also, people on here want to forget the fact that Slash was in GNR


How about this Jarmo

the day Axl stops using Slash's music to promote himself and his band, the day Slash should shut up promoting himself through GNR?

That works for me.

How about I ban you? That works for me.  :P

Are you really that single minded?

Guns N' Roses plays Guns N' Roses' songs.

It's really fucking simple. This isn't even about Axl so why do you have to bring him up in the first place?

Why not mention Bon Jovi? I mean, you love to do that in the GN'R section.





I didn't bash him for NOT talking about GN'R, I thanked him. Big fucking difference.


I didn't forget he was in GN'R. You seem to have forgotten that he's not been in GN'R since 1996!

 ::)


/jarmo

Its hardly Slash's fault that his interviews end up all over the internet. He has been cool about folk asking him about it but has tactfully gave closed answers. It doesnt matter what he does now or in any future projects, he will always be Slash from GN'R in peoples minds and will always be pressed on GN'R matters.

"I'm not on that record, I have nothing to do with it and there's really nothing else to say", sounds like the perfect responce to anyone throwing it at him.

SLASH Says 'Chinese Democracy' Release Date Will 'Probably Stick' - Oct. 27, 2008

According to The Pulse of Radio, ex-GUNS N' ROSES lead guitarist Slash is among the many people curious to hear his former band's new album, "Chinese Democracy", when it's finally released on November 23 after a 13-year wait. Slash told The Pulse of Radio he still finds it hard to believe that singer Axl Rose is letting the record come out at last. "I've resigned to the concept that Axl's gonna do whatever he wants to do whenever he does it, and I don't really put a clock on that," he said. "And so I'm looking forward to it coming out and that's basically about it, so hopefully this date, it seems like they're pretty serious about it. And Axl's working with Irving (Azoff, manager), who I know really well. Irving's a good guy to have on your side, so it'll probably stick, you know."

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=107736

Does anybody actually think that if he kept that up, and didn't comment on GN'R, that journalists would keep asking about it?

You really think a DJ would follow up a "I don't wanna talk about GN'R since I'm not on that record" answer with more questions about it?

Let him talk about his action figure, paperback or whatever else he's promoting right now. Isn't that why he was interviewed in the first place?





/jarmo

That's cool Jarmo

U can ban people, so I guess we have to agree with you.

no big deal

just tired of people trying to erase the legacy these guys helped build. If he gets blindsided with a question, he has every right to answer it.

Its not like he is going on talk shows and seeking out attention.  Listening to that interview, its pretty obvious he had no clue what was going on.

he handled it perfectly so i don't get the negativity?

A ringing endorsement from a guy people expect to hate the new stuff is a great thing. I'm sorry you guys don't see that.

People who get banned are often stupid.

Like Slash fans coming to a GN'R site to go on and on about Slash.... When there's a new single and album on the way.

I don't care if you don't agree with me. I care when you come to a GN'R site to troll.

And your post had some elements in it that I think are that kind of behavior.

I don't care what "works for you".

If you honestly think it's wrong for GN'R to play the old songs, I think you need to reconsider or keeping quiet about it here.



Oh really?

Where did I do that?

I don't think I said a bad thing about his guitar playing in GN'R.




What's negative about thanking him for not commenting?

So even though I complimented him, you attack me.

 :hihi:



/jarmo

Wait a sec...

I'm listening to the WBCN interview and Slash said he had never heard the song before....

But didn't he say he heard the album?

Well its early days since GN'R have released material off the record and he does keep that up then they might stop asking him about Chinese Democracy.

He never said he wasnt going to talk about GN'R previous to him leaving, and nor should he.

No Jarmo, I have no problems with them playing all the GNR catalog, Axl has every single right in the world to do so but sometimes it seems people think Slash and everyone else should forget they were in GNR.

If Slash,Duff,Izzy and Steven got back together tomorrow and wanted to go around the world playing GNR songs, that should be great because regardless whether they are in the band "Guns N' Roses" they still have the right to play what they helped create and they still have the right to talk about it.

now, if Slash were going on every show under the sun just to talk about Axl and GNR and CD, that would be bad. He obviously isn't doing that.

When they were doing VR press, its easier just to answer the question and move on. The more u dodge it, the more u will get it.



The way the media are here, of course they are going to want to know based on all the stuff they've heard over the years what he thinks about it.

One of the most famous bands of all time with one of the most infamous splits, Those questions are unavoidable.

The thing is, I'm sure he probably isn't thrilled being asked those questions either. Its a shitty business trying to promote stuff so yeah, in a way, maybe he does sell himself by talking about GNR at times but for everything he contributed to that band, I think his opinion holds a lot of weight.

There are so many old band fans who refuse to accept this band.  Having Izzy and now Slash endorse Axl goes a long way and I think is a great gesture.

you say that he should simply say "No Comment" and I don't agree.

If he says that, the press and everyone else is gonna take that as negative and blow it up into something it isn't.


Slash has taken up for him twice now. Once with his own bandmate Scott which one can say helped end VR and now with this.

U can say maybe he has an ulterior motive, or maybe he has matured and is doing the right/cool thing?

Just small talk I guess, he already confirmed in another interview what he heard were the skewrl leaks. It was this article that implied that it was his first time hearing it, Slash just gave a vague answer which didnt really give much away what he thought. For all we know he could have thought:"The demo I heard fucking owns this shit!"

Here is how I look at it:

Slash was trying to avoid the subject. Sure he has heard it but he thought if he told them he hadn't, they'd just move on to the next question.

September 5 - Slash talks about the leaks
October 23 - Slash talks about the Chinese Democracy track
October 27 - Slash talks about the Chinese Democracy album
October 28 - Slash says "I don't talk about it"

 :hihi:

as I said in my previous posts.

Yeah, He has talked about GNR in the past but whether it is sports or whatever, u have to agree to answer a question or two about this before u can talk about that.  Its a shitty business but He isn't the only one that will be asked these questions.

Axl will I guarantee u be asked what he thought of VR and Im sure he will say nothing negative cause that is just how u get around journalism in this country.

In a perfect world things could just be, but that doesn't happen with stuff like this.

Also, Slash didn't go on radio "TO TALK" about CD. It isn't like his sole purpose was to go on there to talk about it. If he is asked during an interview, answer it.

I say now, he has changed his tune cause he is tired of fielding the same question.

Much like Axl not being able to win with everybody I believe Slash is in the sane boat.

Here's an idea: "Read my book, it's out now on paperback!"

Two birds with one stone.  : ok:


Apparently he wrote it to "set the record straight".

Why not tell the journalists that?




Well I guess you don't agree with his latest comment which basically is "no comment".  :rofl:



/jarmo

It is funny, cause Slash seems like a really nice guy and that last one seemed like he was getting a bit frustrated.

I'd say there is probably a HUGE part of Slash that regrets quitting.


A ton of signs point to this and I cant blame him for regretting it.

I think Slash and Duff should take more blame also. There is nothing worse in the world than being a sober guy and having to deal with drunks and drug addicts.

So, the communication breakdowns I to be honest blame more on Slash and Duff. If u are sober, u don't want to hang out with a bunch of drug addicts.

Also, I think Axl is one of the most generous frontmen in music history. I mean, He let Duff, no offense to Duff, but he let Duff sing on UYI II and TSI!

how many frontmen let fellow bandmembers sing songs on an album?


that was totally off topic, but I don't like being called a "Troll" when I am not.

Maybe he finally got fed up with the same questions and made the "I don't talk about it" comment?

People need to try little harder to hate him these days, hes doing a good job not giving "material" for the trolls.
This is not him talking about CD "just for the fun of it", but 'cause every journalist for the next month will ask him about Chinese Democracy.

actually, they probably would like those guys on the boston interview

you don't think any journalist in their right mind wouldn't ask him about it?  or ask a couple of follow up questions in a different way?  maybe it just me, but that seems to be pretty naive if you think a "no comment" will stop all the questions....this coming from from music journalists who live and breath controversy asking the former lead guitarist of one of the biggest selling acts of the time about an album that took over ten years to record and release that most of them probably feel he should still be playing with? of course their gonna ask him leading questions trying to goad him into bashing axl or trashing CD, and ask them multpile times in different ways......it's their JOBS.....no if Slash really wanted to avoid all this, he could go into a hermitage for the next dew years and avoid everyone, but the paparatzi here in the US and LA in particular are pretty aggressive in their tactics

Was it not sarcasm? That will just provoke an argument and a response... which is what happened.

I dont get all the hatred towards Slash. He might have been shady for a period of time and he certainly is percieved as the angel of the two but who cares. Hes been trying to make amends, or atleast it appears that way, for awhile now.

What if GNR reunite in like 10 yrs after the current band releases all of their material? Will you people not like GNR because Slash is in it? Or will your tunes change?

If Axl has a problem with Slash thats fine. Its between them two. Let them solve it. Your job is to just enjoy the music that the old band brought and what the new band will bring.....

Amen to that young gunner!

No, I thanked him for not commenting on GN'R for once.

 : ok:



/jarmo

Bullshit.

I just read through 11 pages (!!!!) of rubbish, and there were precious few posts in the last 11 fucking pages that mentioned that Slash had listened to the record before it was released.

No, this thread is an out-of-control example of what people around here are like.  Slash makes a couple of POSITIVE comments about Axl's new material, and that sets off a huge shitstorm of backlash towards him for being an ass kisser, a media whore, a reunion hungry bastard, playing with all sorts of musicians he shouldn't be playing with, making award show appearances he shouldn't be making, whether or not he should comment on GNR, whether or not he has commented on Axl and when, what he should've left his book to say, etc etc etc.  And sweet jesus, it seems 2-3 pages of this thread were dedicated solely to tearing into Slash's appearance on Ellen to sell his house!

ALL OF THIS JUST BECAUSE SLASH WAS ASKED A GODDAMN QUESTION AND HE GAVE A 2-3 SENTENCE ANSWER TO IT!

And you were right at the center of all those discussions Jarmo, so please don't play innocent and act like you're just offering legitimate criticism for Slash's "bootlegging" of the damn CD.

I'd say the statements made by the rest of you on this thread reflect your personal character a hell of a lot more than they reflect Slash's.

You've obviously not read Slash's book.  He gives Steven a HUGE amount of credit for GNR's early success.  The other responders to your posts pretty much told you why; Slash credits Steven immensely for bringing that swing and rhythm and "spark" to those songs that really made them work.  Slash also stated in his book that the world has never given Steven enough credit for making GNR work when they first started.

how nice of Slash's biggest fanboi to join us

Well since you're here, we've got Axl's biggest nut hugger --  so yeah, I'd say it's only appropriate.   : ok:

The world has also never given Slash credit for Stevens failed rehab stints...some friend.  Not hating, but he actually seems to brag about or revel in this in his book (at least one incident).

Thank you!


Did you notice that I complimented Mr "I don't talk about it"?



/jarmo

I think I saw some threads where you attended some VR concerts. Did Slash give you a shout out?

Maybe I'm missing your drift here.... you're implying that Slash was responsible for Steven jumping over the fence and escaping rehab?  Slash does indeed talk a lot about making an effort to get Steven off of drugs, but Steven has to complete that effort.  Slash can't get Steven off drugs by himself.  But considering, I'd say that in recent years, Slash has been a hell of a friend to intervene at great length to try and help Steven out, even if he wasn't a great friend in the early 1990s.


Nothing will ever equal Axl asking thousands of Belgium fans in 2002 how to pronounce Jarmo's name.  Classic.   :hihi:

WOW!!!  you two make a great tag-team ... jealousy and stalking combo!!!  Bet Slash would kill for this kind of fan attention.  Jarmo must feel so honored.  :rofl:

When the band was giving him a last chance, and Slash went to his rehab and got wasted...walked through a glass door or some shit...Slash seems to wear this as a badge of honor, rather than the shameful episode it was.  Yes, Steven is a mess, and has nobody to blame but himself in the end - but when you try to clean up and your best friend shows up with drugs and says lets party (then cuts you off for 6 years after kicking you out of the band?)...hopefully point made.

I am a huge fan of Slash's guitar work with GnR, and some of Snakepit/VR...but I am NOT a fan of Slash, thanks to his drug use.  I hope that is all behind him.

If I remember correctly, both Slash and Steven were there to clean up.  And it wasn't a rehab, just some golf resort that management thought they could stow the two away for awhile.

Isn't that the same as Slash and company playing GnR songs with Velvet Revolver. Who cares Slash is not in the band, neither is Duff, Izzy or Matt. The era of Slash was finished when he quit the band. Get over it.

So if u quit a band, u no longer can play shit u wrote?

What kind of stupid twisted shit is that?

This from the guy who thinks that since GN'R plays GN'R songs it's only fair that Slash keeps talking about GN'R....





/jarmo

no that isn't what I said Jarmo.

I said that everyone still uses the greatness they accomplished to some extent.

That isn't a knock on them, hell they should.

Adler uses it for Adler's Appetite

Slash uses it to sell books or whatever

Axl still tours and plays the old material

But thats fine. U keep taking it negative like I'm insulting or talking shit like it's wrong. It isn't. Its totally cool but

I think its ok and totally acceptable for all of them to do it cause they each are responsible for creating it.

Now if Gilby Clarke or Traci Guns or somebody were out doing GNR stuff, that would be fucked up because they didn't have a hand in creating the songs that led to GNR being the legends they are.

If u created it, u can do and promote and live off of it cause it is insignificant whether or not u are in the band anymore. It only matters who wrote what.

Ownership of music doesn't transfer because you are no longer in the band.

Yeah, you said:


Very weird comparison considering GN'R is GN'R and they play GN'R songs.

How anybody can call the old GN'R songs "Slash's music" is beyond me and speaks volumes about the stupidity of your statement.


GN'R wasn't his band. Ironic considering all the Slash fans keep telling everybody how GN'R was more than one person.....



Slash isn't in GN'R and finally decided not to comment on an album he had no part in.



/jarmo

WTTJ and SCOM aren't Slash's music?

I am actually tired of arguing because a new album is coming soon, Im trying to focus on that, not this same ole shit.

I am not gonna change my opinion, you aren't going to change yours.

When WTTJ is played at every sporting event, are you telling me that is GNR music and somehow Slash seems to no longer exist or play or own what he wrote?

That just doesn't make sense to me.

We've known for awhile now that Slash doesn't go into an interview with a "Questions you can't ask" list.  He gets asked a GNR question, he gives an answer. That simple.

Having said that, he probably is guilty of doing too many interviews. This is another variation of 100 different threads at this forum. I don't think we need a whole thread of debate every time the words "GNR" come out of Slash's mouth on whether he has the right to comment.

GUNS N' ROSES!

It was never his solo project!


We're not talking about "Blaze Of Glory" being performed by Bon Jovi here.



/jarmo

Whats the point in this argument again? I've read over this thread a few times and its all over the place.
I'm still interested in the opinions of the guys who left the band, I would love to know what Izzy thinks of the more modern sounding new songs, seeing as he is very much an old school kinda rocker.

 :hihi:

I can see a Bon Jovi/Axl connection though...

Snake Sabo was in Bon Jovi
Snake Sabo is in Skid Row
Bach was in Skid Row
Bach sings on "Sorry," Axl is on Bach's solo album and SR toured with GN'R!

I don't know how you can possibly believe the things you say about Slash and his involvment with GNR from 1986-1996 or so. Why? DO you have some type of motive to bash him or bring him down for some reason. I'm all for axl and gnr as it stands today, no doubt about it. But for you to say things about how Slash wasnt about the song writting, etc for gnr is just mind boggling....Who are you trying to win over? Is axl or Beta mad at you? Seriously, I'm not trying to argue, but what you say makes zero sense, none....

All he said was the songs aren't Slash songs, they are GnR songs.    Its quite simple.  He is not taking anything away from what happened in the old days,  D is making some boneheaded comparisons.

That was a dumb comment.... anybody who owns the 2002 bootlegs knows about Axl mentioning Jarmo.  It may not've been mentioned around here recently, but everybody who's been around here since then knows about it.  And it was well referenced where I just posted it.

After this album comes out, THERE WILL BE NO REUNION...and nor should there be.  :-X

Here's some ammo for all you Slash lovers...Real-Player 'info' bar has 3 messages about GnR when you play them, one says that the band broke up in 1996.  I guess Slash is GnR after all (according to Real)!  :hihi:

I remember 5 years ago around 2002-2003 when you used to at least give the pretence that you were running an unbiased Gn'R board where people could come and discuss the old and the new at the same time - sure some liked the old better than the new - some liked the new better than the old, but as far as i remember, back then it wasnt a case of being mocked and criticsed which ever side you fell on. It seems to me now Jarmo that Axl mentioning you once and giving you a credit has blinded you with star struckness and your transformation from a cool open minded webmaster, to gestapo like Axl tard who feels the need to use sly and not so veiled criticism of the old band in order to pacify Axl in the hope of him saying your name again, has been completed. Trying to deny it as im sure you will is pointless, most people who can appreciate both bands and dont look at the old and new bands as some kind of civil war that you have to pick a side, can see the underlying resentment towards the old band members in your posts. I like new and old Gn'R - im a fan, i dont wanna come on a fan site that simply mocks old members - i cant see how you can become so spiteful and hatefull of musicians who created the music you love, simply because they left the band and are no longer part of it.  This trend is especially noticable to me having not regualry posted here for a few years, in comparison to the non partisan way i remember this board used to be run - probably the reason i dont post here any more - its like a Gn'R press release not a fan site anymore. To me this is a massive sham - since when does a non official fan forum ban people for disagreeing with the offical band line? Its a shame to see your moderating and this site be ruined by the move to appease the offical Gn'R camp and lose sight of what made it so good - the unbiased and open nature of the forum, a place where Gn'R fans could come and express any opinion. It has now become i fear somewhere where old Gn'R members are hated by fans who simply like the new band and anyone who is simply an old band fan, or likes both bands, are pushed out unless they agree to tow the new Gn'R camp party line. Why even bother with the Ex-Members section? The new and old and definatly two distinctly differant bands and if you only like the new and don't want to talk about the old band and their opinions, there latest releases, what they think etc. then might as well be rid of it and make the forum for fans of the new band only. Then people who like both versions of Gn'R can find somewhere where the new and the old lineups can be discussed without shnide remarks being made under the weak pretence of a fair and balanced forum, the Fox News of the Gn'R web presence.

5 years ago was a completely different time, now we have an album out.   Guns N' Roses is an active band with a newly released album, so wishing for the old band is disrespectful and wrong. 

And I love mocking Slash fans.
 

Thats fine - but why then have the Ex-Gunners section? It doesnt make any sense - if everyone on here just wants to discuss new Gn'R and doesnt like the old bands music/members then whats the point of it other than as a breeding ground for well worn arguments?Why keep up the smokescreen of being a Gn'R forum for fans of both bands? I'd also like to clarify that im not wishing for the old band - i just like both versions and dont like to see either one mocked and bitched about all the time by people pretending to like both but who obviously despise the old band. I also fail to see how liking one version over the other is disrespectful - when i listen to old Gn'R i dont sit there worries that Axl might lose respect for me as an individual because im listening to Don't Damn Me not There Was A Time - same as when im listening to the new band i dont worry about what Slash might think and wether his feelings get hurt - what im bothered about is whether i like the music or not.

There's only one GN'R.

I'm a fan of that band.


Doesn't mean I have to agree with something people who once were in the band say about the band though.


Nowhere have I said anything disrespectful about the former members' work with GN'R. They had a part in making what the band is.

You just like to think that I'm disrespecting the old band because I'm not a VR fan or something, but you can't show any evidence of me doing so. That makes you a liar.


It's funny how some of you like to make it about me time after time. You focus on me, and the next minute it's "who do you think you are? You're not in the band!". It's ridiculous!


So please, keep thinking that I'm not "allowed" to listen to AFD because I don't like Slash's Snakepit!  :hihi:



/jarmo

I get mad at people like Jimbob who have this glowing need to disrespect the old band just to try and prove his loyalty to the new band. people like that forget that without these guys, you wouldn't even know who Axl was and vice versa.

I think you can be like I am and Lineker and love both bands. I listen to both and I give respect to what both bands are.

Now, i can bitch and complain twice if I want cause the guys who made CD an amazing album aren't even in the band any longer.

So there comes a time when you have to stop hating on "former" members cause now you would have to include Bucket, brain and possibly Robin into that equation.


I see a bunch of posting as if Axl reads the forum and people don't want to make him mad or whatever. you cant re-write history though. Axl didn't build this band and do all this by himself.

he had help from not only the old guys but from the new breed also.

I just don't understand why people feel they have to hate and take away from the amazing legacy of the old to show their loyalty to the new.

Just like You Jim Bob hating Slash. Have you always hated him? or just started because it's the cool thing to do on HTGTH to hopefully maybe get some tickets and backstage at a GNR concert?

I like them both and I will defend the original against people I think are wrong just as I defend the new band on a shit load of other forums against people who talk shit about them.

What happened between Axl and the old band is THEIR business. It isn't my business so I don't feel the need to take sides.

After being on these boards since 2002, I'm very very tired of the band getting shit on by the same people over and over again.   I love Guns N' Roses and I dont dwell and wish for the past.   If I didn't love how the band has evolved, I would have moved on.   Its not about proving loyalty, its about being sick of the same arguments and my favorite band being shit on by the same people(like you) over and over.


The difference is, those guys actually played a role in the current album, so thats more understandable.   a couple years is nothing compared to 12 years and I give everyone credit who was inolved in the CD sessions.


I don't hate him, I tired of his fanboys trolling GnR sites.   Has nothing to do with what Axl would think of me personally because I could give a shit about that.   

I have always stated that I will give the new band credit when they do something to deserve that credit.

Well, CD is out and I challenge you to find a post on here that has been negative at all. The new band did amazing on this album, they earned the title Guns N Roses and all that.

Does it mean I love them more than the old? NO

its a different band/different style.

I don't think its necessary to trash Slash just because overzealous fanboys drive u crazy with Slash talk.

There will always be people who want a reunion, that is the same with any band. There are people who want AFD Part II. that  is just the way it is. I don't blame Slash and hate him though because certain fans on here can't move on.

I became a GNR fan during UYI's, so I love the more epic/variety of styles but I can see how die hard Appetite fans feel how they feel. I just don't let it turn me against what I have loved for years.

Threatning to ban someone because they dont tow the offical Gn'R line and agree with the old band seems to me to be an example of what i was trying to point out. And i dont remember writing that you couldnt like AFD because you don't like Snakepit. Trying to paint me as some Slash fanboy who hates Axl and is trying to put the new band down by making shnide comments like that and saying my opinions are based on you not liking VR are exactly what im talking about. The first VR album was ok, the second piss poor and Scott Weiland sucks  - but i still have great respect for the old members and there music. I don't understand why you have this ex-gunners section supposudly for fans of Slash, Duff, Izzy etc. to come and talk about there music and then promote a sitution where-by the forum is for fans of the new/current band only and talking about the old version of the band and ex-members, even in the ex-members section is looked down on and laughed at and only serves to open a tide of thinly veiled hate from fans of the new incarnation of the band and the new music.  And its knit picking to say there is one Gn'R - technically that may be correct - but when you have 2 seperate and totally differant sets of guys in the band over 2 distinct time frames with relativly zero cross over between the two groups other than the singer and the keyboard player then in my mind thats at the very least 2 differant stages of the same band - if calling them Gn'R Mk1 and Mk2 is better than old and new band then fine.

For the record, I thought Jarmo was kidding about the ban thing.

Certainly I've done way more banworthy things than that. :hihi:

Well that may be the case - but i think my points still stand and are still accurate.  :peace:

Excellent. You're using a joke to prove your point.

 :hihi:

In case you didn't notice, D has kept posting here AFTER he made that post. Maybe you can explain how it's possible since you got all the answers.



And in case there's some kind of confusion, if you come here to say shit like "Axl should stop playing the GN'R songs he helped create at shows because Slash plays on them", you won't feel welcome.

Sorry.




I call it GN'R. None of the "new" shit for me, and especially not any Mk1/Mk2. It's GN'R.

Just like I call the Rolling Stones the Rolling Stones.

Don't like it? Too fucking bad.



/jarmo

his fans are often not exclusivly HIS fans only. there are plenty who also like other things, such as the new GNR.

I respect Jarmo not wanting this place to be an Axl bash fest. That is understandable.  I just feel at times like you have to choose between the old and the current *how bout using current instead of new? : ok:* I don't think you have to.


The comment Lineker brought up that i said sounded more harsh than it would have in real life. Sometimes words are hard to truly interpret on message forums.

I just feel like Slash or whomever has earned the right to live off GNR for as long as they want. They helped create some of the greatest music ever and if they choose to promote themselves through it, I have no problem with that.

Truth is, they don't have much of a choice. Even if they didn't, they'd still be asked about it repeatedly so you might as well answer or you will come off bad and u will look like a bitter hater.

That was the basis of my comment which now looking back, I can see how it appeared to seem like something else.

I find it funny that Jarmo, Jim Bob, etc. are saying they are sick of Slash fans trolling and seem to think that all Slash fans are all here to bash Axl; yet all the people who are defending Slash on this thread are massive fans of Axl, the current lineup and Chinese Democracy, especially D.

Meaning that 'only' the Guitarists, Drummers, and Bassist left?  What if they kept the light guys and sound board tech?  At what point does this argument go away???  GnR is GnR because that is their legal name, the band never 'ended' or broke up, people left in 1996, 1997, 1998 and were replaced.  If it makes people feel better, or less confused, call them GnR 2.0, New GnR, purple headed yogurt slinger, whatever floats your boat - but they are still Guns N' Roses.  Slash was a great guitar player, but was replaced, because he was f--ked up on H and QUIT the biggest band in the world...I am sure he has come to terms with that (even if he still blames Axl in public), maybe someday his hardcore 'fans' will as well.

I am a fan of Slash, and have been able to get over him blowing the GnR thing (the Snakepit thing, the VR thing...but man can he play!), and setting back CD years...there is hope for the rest of you.   :hihi:

Yeah, I have a massive tattoo of Axl on my forearm yet I hate him...

I've always seen axl's point of view even if others dont give him the benefit of the doubt

I know first hand what it is like being sober and having to put up with and be around a bunch of druggies and drunks. It is not fun, its a huge pain in the ass and Im sure that had more to do with axl being the way he supposedly was than him simply being impossible or a dick.

Ive always said the stories about Axl didn't add up cause he let Izzy and Duff sing lead vocals on GNR songs. I dont know many frontmen who would allow other band members to do that.

so, I blame Slash and Co. maybe more for the breakup and I think I've always said that.


now, does that mean Slash and CO aren't allowed to promote themselves using their past work in GNR? NO, they wrote it, they were apart of it, so for me, it is more than OK for them to play songs or to talk about it.

I think we all agree on that ....... BUT ... it seems that beginning with when VR was starting up (probably long before that only I didn't notice) till as recently as Duff on the Eddie Trunk radio show a week or so ago, the ex-gunners themselves keep saying how their careers have moved past their GNR days .... that is, up until the moment when they realize their new stuff isn't up to their 'past' standards in the eyes of the fans and then they're back to throwing GNR classics back into the mix (like the time VR was never ever never gonna do any more GNR or STP songs).  Maybe if THEY didn't spend so much time bashing "the old days" then maybe some of us wouldn't dwell on it either.  But it's hard to get past it when the same songs that the ex-gunners had to be "forced" to play back-in-the-day are the same ones they're still playing to this day ..... and still whining about in interviews!!! 

Like Mr. Brownstone and It's So Easy, co-written by Slash and Duff? I doubt they had to be forced to play those. Slash admitted it with SCOM, thats it. Which VR never played, although he did play it recently with some female singer. Besides, hes clearly gotten over his initial hatred for that song and is known to be very proud of it now.

Patience

I think realistically that was something they were never going to be able to do. They may have WANTED to stop playing their old bands' songs. but when a crowd pays money to see you, they expect to hear certain things and you have to please the fans to some degree.

If you go see Slash, you expect to hear a GNR song or two, that's just the way it is and that goes for all artists regardless.

Plus, you know they have to hold tons of regret about how things ended. Imagine being high and not in your right mind and you do something stupid. Then once you get sober and some distance, you probably realize how much you lost and how bad you blew it *Slash going to Axl's house* and I'm sure through regret you tell yourself "i'm just gonna get over it" we know that is easier said than done though.




Patience is an Izzy song, so those normally have been the neutral ones that anyone can play. It isn't like Scott pulled out a piano and did NR. That would even get me outraged.

from what i've read; VR choose their GnR set-list from song's axl wasn't involved in the writing of (ISO, Brownstone, and patience)

Case in point - im defending the ex-gunners, even though ive made it clear im a fan of the current lineup - and for that reason im somehow bashing Axl and saying he cant play the old songs. Where exactly did i say that? Im a fan of both bands and have no problem with him playing some older songs, ive got no problem with any of the main ex-members playing Gn'R songs either, however as i keep saying ive got respect for the ex-gunners as well as Axl and so dont use every opportunity to have sly digs at them whenever possible - just like id get annoyed the same way if people were to have sly digs all the time at the current line-up. My point is perfectly proven by your respone to my post - on the defensive, accusing me of critising Axl when all im doing is to try and point out that its pointless having an ex-members section if all its gonna be is a section full of so called fans who hate the old lineup and are making snide comments that are just gonne cause arguments with fans of both era's.

Ironically, according to Axl in 2002, Slash and Duff didn't originally like Patience.

And I've heard them play songs like Paradise City and Sweet Child O' Mine. They sucked. Maybe they're better off not doing so.

Velvet Revolver has never played Paradice City and Sweet Child O' Mine. Slash and Duff has been doing it with other people just for fun and they play their instruments on those songs perfectly even if some of the guys they play with aren't that good all the time.
Maybe Slash and Duff like Patience now, Axl, Slash and Duff don't even know eachother anymore so Axl can't know that. What if Axl was wrong and Slash and Duff really liked Patience "originally"

Slash's guitar on Paradise City (VR & Cypress Hill) was awful.

I like Axl. I like Slash. I like AFD, Lies UYI 1&2, SI, and now CD. I like Guns N' Roses, with Slash, without Slash. With Robin, and without Robin, with Bucket and without Bucket...

Would I welcome a reunion eventually, yes. Would I be mad if Axl decided he wanted to keep things as is forever? No. I love this lineup and I know Axl knows what is best for him to make the best possible music. Basically, what I am saying is that I trust Axl (not like he needs my approval for anything) because he has made the greatest music I have ever heard; a lot of it was with the help of Slash, and some, like CD, w/o Slash's services....

Everyone has their faults, and there is no way to know what the 'real' story behind GnR is. Let us just focus on their music. C'mon people, we just got 14 NEW SONGS from our fav. band. Let us argue more about Axl vs. Slash next year if you want, but right now we should focus on CD and these kick ass new tracks!

According to Axl...........

I'm not saying Axl is definitely lying, but there is so much stuff thrown around back then who knows what is true and what isn't? All the guys have been caught out lying at one point or another - none of us were there so we don't know a truth. If Slash came out and said it then fair enough, but until I hear it from him I call bullshit.Why say he doesn't like SCOM but not say the same about Patience? He even had an opportunity in his autobiography.

Clearly if Slash and Duff decided to play the song with VR then at least one or most likely both is fond of it. I doubt it was Scott's choice.

An even better example would be Black Sabbath, I thought Ronnie James Dio was way better than Ozzy. That band had so many lineup changes yet it was still Black Sabbath.  It's sad to realize there are some people who feel that certain old member of the gunners made the band. Slash and Duff weren't in the original GnR. It was Axl, Izzy, Tracii Guns, Ole Beich and Rob Gardner.

I like Guns n Roses, doesn't matter who's in the band as long as the rock hard.

and when that was the line-up; who ever heard of them other than those that did the club scene in LA?

Slash, Duff and Steve may not have been the 1st members of the band Guns N Roses; but they are the members of the band that recorded and toured for AFD, and for the most part, Live like a Suicide

Personally, it really doesn't matter at all what the commercial name of the band is.  Even though it took forever and certainly was NOT worth the wait (but what is worth 15 years?), I still thoroughly enjoy this album and had no objections to buying it under the Guns N' Roses name.  Although, plain and simple, this is a solo album.  It couldn't possible be more of a solo album than it is.  The ONLY similarities between this "band" and the old band is Axl, Dizzy (not even an original member), and, well, that's it.  The music is totally different.  Axl himself sounds different.  And they don't even really tour anymore, so it's not like the old songs are being played currently.  It's a solo project under the guise of the Gn'r name.  I know this argument has been made millions of times, but an overwhelming majority of music fans know that calling this project Gn'r is only for commercial reasons, to sell more albums.  If I was Axl, I would do the exact same thing, don't get me wrong.  But it's still not Guns N' Roses.  Anybody who is so obsessed and mystified by genius Axl and his "master plan" will obviously never be convinced otherwise, but any person with a degree of common sense knows that just because it's legally and commercially "Guns N' Roses" does not mean that, in essence, it's anywhere close to Guns N' Roses.  That's all.

I don't get this... I've always felt that keeping the name "Guns N' Roses" was riskier in the commercial sense than releasing an Axl Rose solo project.  If anything, keeping the name is only turning people off from buying the album, whereas the music would be more front and center as a solo release. 

Record labels are much more comfortable funding Guns N' Roses than some "other band". It's a known brand, so it opens doors for Axl really. This is how I see it anyway.

The guys left, so Axl can keep using the name


It wouldn't be better either to drop the name.

Vince Neil plays Motley Crue songs with a backing band right? when he does this, it sounds just like Motley but guess what? He OPENS for other bands.

When Vince plays the exact same songs in Motley Crue, they headline their own festival.

Axl dropping the name wouldn't have helped any at all as Guns N Roses are a famous brand that people know and most people who don't frequent message forums, probably have no clue that Axl is the only original member.

You hit the nail on the head.  Again, to clarify my point to others, my point was not to say that Axl should not release the album under Gn'r or that it somehow tarnishes the name or anything.  It was simply that he is doing it for commercial reasons, since the name Guns N' Roses itself sells.  Believe it or not, some people don't even know Slash isn't in the band or that Axl Rose is the name of the lead singer (my girlfriend was/is one of these people, lol).  So if you release CD under "Axl Rose," a decent percentage of the people that bought the album because they simply recognized the name may have overlooked it.  Good business move by Axl and Co., but in reality, who are we kidding?  It really isn't Gn'r, but again, as long as I enjoy the music, I don't care what the hell name he releases music under as long as we have music from Uncle Axl. 

Eazy E - I'm so glad you made this post, because something gave me the same thought today, and I didn't know where to post it. 

Anyway - I was flipping around the TV last night, and I came across a Paul McCartney concert.  Now, regardless of what you think about McCartney (I personally like him a lot), I think Axl really should've followed what he did. 

McCartney doesn't call his band "The Beatles" when he goes on tour, or when he releases new material.  But if you see him in concert, he plays a bunch of old Beatle tunes.  I think the general feeling among the audience is that his backup band does a great job, and are thankful to hear those songs again live.  When he releases new music, no one compares it to the Beatles, because he does his own thing. 

I think the general public would've been much more forgiving (and receptive to CD) if Axl would've called it "The Axl Rose Band," but still played some old Gn'R on tour.

Calling it the "Axl Rose Band" won't get you $13 million from your record label.  Calling it Guns n' Roses will.

Yeah, I should've clarified:  My argument was coming from a strictly creative standpoint.  On the business side, I realize why he released it as a Gn'R album.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with the next album.  After these sales, I have a hard time believing that he'll get that same amount of money up front.

That's why tattoos are bad.

depending on what youbelieve, there are 3 more albums worth of material already recorded

Yeah, but that doesn't mean that Best Buy is going to make that deal again.  If you believe the rumors, that's where the band\management recouped the money.

Yeah but GNR won't need an exclusive deal next time.

Best buy wiped out all the debt for all 3 albums.

So the next 2 will be straight record label profit.

If the album took only a couple of years to make, I'd believe that they wiped out all of the debt.  I think this is a different circumstance.

My guess is the next deal is not exclusive, or if it is, they go through Wal Mart

It's been confirmed that Best Buy paid $14 million to UMG for the album and the recording costs were allegedly $13 million or so

Now, I realize that the $14 million isn't pure profit and there are people like management who have to get their cut out of that, but the vast majority of the costs that went into this album have been recovered from that

Then you add into that the fact that the album's already sold 700,000+ copies outside of the US and the money has been made back.  The $13 million, decade in the making albatross is no longer around their neck.  The next albums will essentially be "free" with the exception of creating and distributing the physical product, and promotion