Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/22699919/labels_plan_big_releases_for_fall


"(Even Guns n' Roses' Chinese Democracy has a chance: A source tells Rolling Stone that a November release date has been selected in case the band decides to put it out.)"

YAY! CHINESE DEMOCRACY!!! IT'S COMING OUT!!!! I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!!!!

YES!  : ok:

is that better?  :smoking:

"A source tells" and "in case" ::) I believe it when the band is "the source" and there's no "in case".

I thought the record company had the album now. How does the band get to decide on if it's released or not now?

In all likelihood the fans were lied to so we would turn against the label instead of the band.

To me the in case part is just the words of the writer.. i think that if everything falls into place it will happen, i mean I know that they Want to put it out asap within the best circumstances.

November sounds right, Shacklers is out in sept so that means two months of promotion.

I don't think I was lied as I don't remember the band telling us either way clearly. Likewise when the source is obscure I take it with a grain of salt.

Truthfully I wouldn't take anything from RS with more then a grain of salt.

I hope it is !  :yes:

If i was Axl i would choose 26th of November !!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing special is happen on that day nothing like my BIRTHDAY or anything like that  :confused:  ;)   ;D  :drool:  :rofl:


 :peace:

The Band want's this album out as much as we do.  Only thing is they gotta make sure the timing is right, and that the promotion is going to really make the label some money.  It will be out this year.

November, two months after SR's rockbands 2 debut  sounds plausible I'm not saying otherwise but I don't place my trust much in the article that isn't sourced.

it's rolling stone... it's not like if they don't lie... lol.

Is RS even relevant anymore?  can a magazine that puts britney spears, clay aiken and the jonas brothers on the cover really be considered a "rock" magazine?

Label could get some money if they released it, instead of letting it leak song after song.



I think Rolling Stone is nowadays more of a pop culture-magazine than just a rock-magazine.

Did you ever think that maybe they didn't let anything leak?






/jarmo

Heres to hoping!  ;D   Watch them blow our minds and just start putting out album after album considering they have 3 or 4 in the tank and ready to go.

Of course the people responsible of it's release are not the ones who leak stuff, bad choice of words from me.

Hope it all works out for them.

Rolling Stone has been predicting a November release for years, so I wouldn't put too much faith in them.  I would keep holding out hope that the band and management are on the same page in regards to releasing CD this year.

Here's to hopefully hearing Chinese Democracy in 2008.   :beer:

Although, it would be nice to have a source that doesn't just presume the album is coming out every November.

This means nothing.  The band hasn't said shit in months. 

July 14, 2008
http://www.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080714&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp

These 2 comments have been posted 10000000 times and they both make NO sense at all. "the band wants the album out as much as we do" Than where is it? Its Axl's music, if he wanted it out, it would be out, PERIOD!  "the timing is right"  When exactly is the right time. Good music sells 365 days a year. Write it, market it, sell it. Simple!

in case the band decides to put it out: Meaning its only up to the band? Not the recordcompany or anybody else!!

They make sense if you use your head.

Yeah, it's Axl's music so it makes sense that it's released on his terms.

Also, it makes sense that the timing is right for him. It's not necessarily up to you to decide when that time is.



/jarmo

Jarmo, does Axl really have a say about whether or not and when the album is released now? Since the album is supposedly in the record company's hands.

Axl could sue the record company to have it not released but I'm just wondering what power does he really have in saying when or if the album is to be released.

Earlier in the car i was listening to 92.3 krock in new york they was playing gnr out ta get me. after the song the dj said that was gnr, and speaking of gnr it seems chinese democracy will be coming out before christmas. and he mentioned the leaks and shacklers revenge being on rock band 2. then of course he says well it is axl rose so maybe not.

According to what Axl said in his "open letter" back in December, 2006.... "contact negotiations need to be completed" before the album would come out.  The record company just can't release the album (even if it's in their hands) without all the contracts being completed first. 

cybercurves

I remember that Geffen decided the release of Use Your Illusions, not band. Guns toured for four months before records got out and Axl made some comments of the situation. So I don't think it's completely his decision when a record should be out.

Of course it's not completely up to the artist.

There needs to be an understanding between the record company and the artist.


Obviously the record company has a good idea about what's needed for the best possible release (in regards to promotion etc.).



/jarmo

I agree. The music should be released on his terms. That is a true statement, BUT to say he wants it out really bad? Its not like he has to beg someone to release it.  And again, true, it is and should not be up to me to decide when the time is right. My question, which was not answered was, When is this magical time we all keep refering to? This is not a new concept. Pick a song, start the promo, set a date, and go!

Alot of things are diffrent this time around then in 2006.  Album wasn't finished, Guns was on tour and due to bad travel schedule Merk planned for the tour it was hard to get the album finished.  Recording was done early 2007 only need to be mixed.  Mixing and the completed album is done late 07.  Its entirely diffrent today Albums done check, Shacklers Revenge out for Rockband 2 check, sounds like to me the start of promotion.  Its not gonna be another oh my god situation or blah blah They got a new management and I fully expect a release in Nov.

I agree with you, things look diferent this time, There is an Actual oficial Release of a song.

So it appears that the release is largely dependent upon gnr (Axl) giving the green light.

Well I suppose that makes perfect sense. It's their album. Guns should have a say about when CD drops.

Here's hoping that the stars align and the time is right, then.    : ok:

If he didn't intend to release it, do you think he would've worked all this time on it?



The "magical time" can only materialize after there's an understanding between the artist and the record company.

In order to "go", you need that.

Then you can do those steps you mentioned.




/jarmo

2006 tour basically introduced the new band to the public and GnR audience.  It was a successful one 07 they did some dates and now its time to release the album.  THE WHOLE ROCKBAND 2 say's it right there, WERE READY TO RELEASE THIS ALBUM.

It makes so much sense, November is exactly what I had in mind. With Rock Band 2 confirmed and this possible date selection it a good time to finally believe.

I've been expecting a new album since 1999.  ::) :-X

so will it be a November Reign by GNR or November Pain for us  :rofl:

Damn.... Where were you during the writers strike?  :hihi:

There was also an officially released song in 1999, or are we all trying to forget "Oh my God"?

That's ok. I still repress any memories of Buckethead. And the 2002 VMA's? Never happened.

yea, I remember before OMG the album was finished and a few albums were following. Not to mention the successful world tour previous to it.......

well OMG was a sountrack to a film so its not really counted

this is the soundtrack to a game... big difference!

and a track off cd. Yep big difference.

and remember the beverage giant offering everyone in the US for the release of cd...was it in 1999?

Only Axl has a say? The rest of the band does not have a say?

His name was brought up in the discussion so I continued on that path.




/jarmo

Hopefully the november date is true but I don't think so.soon is the word.......  ;)