Here Today... Gone To Hell!

So we don't clog up the NFL thread. 

We've got 12 teams right now.  Good number.  I think we're split half and half between this board and GNRevolution. 

we will bitch smack those dudes. : ok: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Battle of the boards.  Represent!  I was gonna split us into 2 divisions but I'm not seeing that as an option.  I've also been getting e-mails from people that wanted to join but couldn't get it.  I changed the password, that's the reason.  It's now china.  Feel free to join.  We've got a solid # of 12 right now but I set the limit at 16 so there are 4 spots open.


League ID#: 268144
League Name: Shackler's Revenge
Password: china
Custom League URL: http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/shacklersrevenge
Draft Type: Live Draft 
Draft Time: Wed Aug 27 9:45pm EDT [ Add to My Calendar ] 
Max Teams: 16
Scoring Type: Head-to-Head 
Start Scoring on: Week 1 
Can't Cut List Provider: Yahoo! Sports 
Max Moves: No maximum 
Max Acquisitions per Week: No maximum 
Max Trades: No maximum 
Trade Reject Time: 2 
Trade End Date: November 14, 2008 
Trade Review: League Votes 
Waiver Time: 2 days 
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules 
Playoffs: Week 14, 15 and 16 (8 teams) 
Roster Positions: QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN 
Stat Categories: Passing Yards (25 yards per point; 2 points at 300 yards; 4 points at 350 yards; 6 points at 400 yards)
Passing Touchdowns (4)
Interceptions (-1)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point; 2 points at 100 yards; 4 points at 150 yards; 6 points at 200 yards)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point; 2 points at 100 yards; 4 points at 150 yards; 6 points at 200 yards)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (4)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (5)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (6)
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards (-2)
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards (-1)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Point After Attempt Missed (-2)
Sack (1)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (2)
Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns (6)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (4)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (1)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4) 
Fractional Points: Yes 
Negative Points: Yes 

Thats a really good looking scoring system also. I hate leagues that are RB dominated etc.  With this one, it seems pretty even across the board.

for our league, can i start drafting live (say for the first 7 rounds) and then switch to auto-draft?

i'm hoping to be able to complete the draft, but i need to be up at 5-6am thursday morning. and with the late start time, i may have to bail depending on how fast things move along.

Yeah you can draft live and once you leave the room, it will autodraft for you.  You may want to pre-rank your players so you don't end up with 3 defenses or something crazy, as once your starting positions are filled it'll draft the highest rated player no matter the position.  Sorry for the late draft time. Someone else had something going on earlier in the evening.

perfect, thanks.  : ok:

will do on the player rankings.

if i remember correctly, our draft last year went quite fast.

Defending my title will be a joy.  :)
Will the draft order be randomly generated at the start of the draft?

Perhaps I'm still bitter about finishing the regular season with only two losses and the number one seed, yet then losing my first game of the playoffs thanks to Tom Brady's un-Brady like performance, but I believe we have too many teams making the playoffs under our current settings. I think regular season performance should be rewarded, yet 3/4ths of the league will make the playoffs (8 of the 12 teams). That will include teams with losing records probably.

Four playoff teams would make things extremely competitive and heated, but six playoff teams would work as well. That way, half the league still gets to compete, and the top two seeds get a first round bye. What do you guys think? I know you're probably scared to lower the number, because you doubt your chances to make the playoffs when competing against such an extraordinary player as myself  (:hihi:), but 8 of 12 teams is just too many.

Plus how cool would it be if the six playoff teams were all HTGTH members instead of those other losers??

8, 6, 2...doesn't matter!  Jessica Alba knows how to finish on top! 

Faldor may not have checked in yet...do we know our draft position yet?  Just curious.   :)

i'd vote for 6 with the top 2 teams getting byes.

i understand 8 cause it keeps more people interested for most of the season. and since it's a free league, that may be the most important part.

anyone have their other drafts yet? i had mine sunday. way too early, but we ran into some problems with people's schedules.

I've had 2 so far

In one I have

Carson Palmer
Calvin Johnson
Chris Chambers
Chad Johnson
Adrian Peterson Minnesota version
Brandon Jacobs
Alge Crumpler
Earnest Graham
Robbie Gould
Dallas

Bench I got
Bret Favre
Ricky Williams
Ray Rice
Sidney Rice

Draft order will be randomly selected 30 or so minutes beforehand.  I hear you about the 6 teams vs. 8 teams to make the playoffs.  It's a valid point.  Originally I set the league max for teams at 16, so I wanted the 8 teams for that, but then I reduced it to 14, and then 12.  Like sandman said, the more playoff spots you have the more likely it is for teams to stay interested.  There'll no doubt be a few teams that fall by the wayside and stop managing their teams somewhere along the line, those teams most likely won't make the playoffs.  I ran into the same problem in a money league last year.  I finished second and was bounced in the first round, along with the first place finisher.  So the top 2 teams didn't even get by the first round.  But that was for money, this is just for fun.  So you're right in a sense, 6 teams would be ideal, I just think it may be more important to keep people's interest as long as possible.

However, we may have a problem.  As of right now (11:19pm) somebody dropped out of the league so we now have an odd number of teams (11).  We can't draft with an odd number, yahoo doesn't allow such nonsense.  Not sure who it is, but if I can't get them back we need one more or else we don't draft tomorrow night.

Okay, I changed it back to six.  I figure if we have people dropping out the night before the draft, that's not a good sign so we'll knock it down.  I think whoever dropped out must be from gnrevolution.  I think it was 6 and 6, and the six originals from here appear to still be there.

in my money league, we have 10 owners, and 6 make the playoffs. last year, the 6th place team won the SB and he finished with a 6-7 record.

also, the team that was in 7th place had the MOST total points for the season.

some things about fantasy football are really frustrating. as a result, this year we added a second game each week. the top 5 teams each week get a W, and the bottom 5 get a L. we've voted on doing this every year. i'm not a fan of it, but i finally went along with it this year.

looks good. if palmer and chad have big years, your team should be one of the elite.

i had mine on sunday. 10 team league, 9 starters - QB, RB, WR, WR, TE, K, D and 2 FLEX (RB,WR, or TE). i had the 6th pick overall. here's my roster...

QB - Roethilisberger (6); Favre (11)
RB - Gore (1); Grant (2); MJD (3); Kevin Smith (8); A. Green (10); Dunn (12)
WR - Hoosh (4); Roy Williams (5); Bowe (7); Roddy White (9); Curtis (16) 
TE - Scheffler (13)
K - Kaiding (14)
D - Eagles (15)

Once again, we've still only got 11 teams in the league.  If we don't get/lose another we can't draft with an odd number of teams.  I've got a friend who said he would join if need be, but he's not a GNR fan per se.  We'll see if anyone signs up during the day, but if not I'll give the spot to him.  I'd rather that than not draft at all.  The countdown is on.

I may be able to get somebody in...

Hey

U know what though, how many times in any sport does the team with the best record win the SB? look at NE. So really, thats the beauty with anything.

My friend plays a money league and they dont even use a playoff. They just play 17 weeks and whoever leads wins.

Thats a very nice team u drafted Sandman. Maurice Jones Drew as your 3rd back! that is a steal. Kevin Smith is gonna be a dark horse also, He may be the Ryan Grant of this year's fantasy football.


In that draft I posted, I had the third pick. A guy took Stephen Jackson over Peterson.

I've been looking forward to this, so I hope we definitely have the draft tonight. We only have one more week before the regular season starts anyway, so we're running out of time. I'd hate for us to have to reschedule it again.

I've participated in several drafts already this year. I'm addicted to fantasy football so I usually end up playing in about 8 different leagues, although each one is different. 10-team leagues, 12 teams, 14, 16; a couple start 2 QBs each week; one is an IDP league; one's a PPR league. I like variety.

In pretty much every draft I've been a part of so far I've been drafting near the end of the first round, which isn't so bad if there's just 10 teams, because I end up with two solid RBs like Portis and Lynch; but drafting at the end of a 14 team or 16 team league sucks balls. By that time all the first-round quality RBs are gone, and it's too early to go for Jamal Lewis or Michael Turner or any of those guys, so I'm forced to pull the trigger on one of the elite WRs, and I end up with a poor group of RBs.

There are certain players I tend to end up with in most of my leagues. I have Drew Brees on several teams, which I'm happy about. I'm usually able to get Thomas Jones in the 4th or 5th round, which I always feel good about, because I think he'll have a good year this season with defenses focusing on Favre and the passing game. For some reason I tend to end up with Roddy White and Dwayne Bowe, too. They're very talented, but I wish they had someone better to throw them the ball. TE is exceptionally deep this year, so I've been waiting on those guys until later in the draft, and still I'm able to get an Owen Daniels or a Tony Scheffler.

I'm surprised people are still taking Laurence Maroney so high. He tends to be picked near the end of the 2nd round or in the 3rd, which I don't understand. I had the guy last year, and I vowed to never pick him again. Bellichek forgets he even has a running game, and if he does decide to run it, he's just as happy giving the ball to Kevin Faulk or one of the backups as he is Maroney. Plus they picked up LaMont Jordan this year, who will probably be the goal-line back. People who draft Maroney expecting him to be an every week starter are destined for a long fantasy football season.

hopefully, a 12th will appear before draft time.  unfortunately, a buddy of mine is busy.  anybody else?...preferably a GNR fan.   :yes:

For those who haven't read my 20+ posts praising my HTGTH Fantasy Football Championship, I just wanted to remind ya'll, this trophy looks really nice!   ;D

Jessica Alba...err...Axl4Prez knows fantasy football.   :D

(btw, gilee, a true Pats' fan talking down Maroney hours before draft time...playing it like Parcells with misinformation!   :hihi:)

Don't forget about Sammy Morris too gilee.  I had Maroney last year too and wasn't thrilled with the production.  He picked it up late in the season, but can he carry that over into this season?  Apparently many people think yes.

We will have the draft tonight.  My friend just got home from work and asked if there was still a spot open for him.  He's out to dinner now but he should be back in time, again he's not on any of these boards but he'll make us all even and allow us to draft tonight.  I'll give anyone else an hour or so more before I sign him in though.  The clock is ticking.

Go ahead and sign him in. Let's don't take any chances

Looks like we got a 12th.  Now we just have to hope nobody drops out in the next hour and a half.   :nervous:

Surely they wont, is everyone gonna be in there chatting?

I think I can be in around 9:30 or 9:35.

Im gonna be drafting,chatting and studying all at the same time.
Damn PTA courses! :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

3 days has felt like 3 months.

The draft order has been set.  I've got the 2nd pick (I swear it was random), D's got the 4th pick, C0ma #5, Alba's got #9, sandman has #11, and gilee has 12.

Yes, I admit I should have had my next pick cued up...if Chris Johnson has a breakout season for Sandman, so help me God!   :hihi:  I got fucking Gostkowski way too early because I got kicked off the site...it happened a couple times, but that and one very late (Bryant Johnson) were my only auto-picks.

Nice draft folks.   :beer:

Anybody else hate their team?   :crying:   :)

That sucks, man. I've had that same problem with Yahoo drafts this season. I miss the simple ol' draft window Yahoo has used in previous years. After suffering the same problem you did, where I either lose my connection or the draft window just freezes up, and I have to sit back and watch the computer make a pick for me (which is never a good one), I've learned to keep my queue stacked with players.

But hey, champ, I don't want to hear you using that lost pick as an excuse for when your team goes down in defeat this season!

Yeah I got kicked off once too, but was able to get back in time to make my pick.  For some reason I couldn't join in the chat session though.  I couldn't scroll down far enough to type.  I could read everything that was written, but couldn't write anything myself.  I miss the old style draft window as well, even though the improvements are nice and all.  I like my team up until the flex position.  Unless Ricky Williams is gonna return to his vintage self.  I think I may have jumped the gun on Romo too early too, some pretty good QB's were still available rounds later.  We'll see.  I wouldn't say I hate my team, but I'm certainly not about to predict a championship season.

I think it's safe to say HTGTH dominated the draft. There were some exceptionally stupid picks made by those "other guys": Randy Moss 3rd overrall; Eli Manning in the 2nd round; DeSean Jackson in the 3rd round; Chicago's defense in the 5th as the first defense taken. James Lofton will probably be the first team with LT to ever finish dead last in a league. PaSnow also has a horrible team; as does Neemo (Ahmad Bradshaw is his #2 RB for Christ's sake!). CC's Gold Medals and The Bend DPer's are both exceptionally weak at WR, though they're okay at other positions. Of the "other guys," I think the only one who had a decent draft was Demolition, though I'd be worried about Matt Forte as my #2 RB.

I think most of the HTGTH guys did pretty well. C0ma probably has the weakest team among us, but he's still better than most of the guys from the other board. Jessica Alba, I think you made some excellent picks near the end of the draft. Felix Jones in the 13th round was an absolute steal!!! I saw him keep falling and falling, and I was so hoping he was going fall right into my lap, but then you snatched him up three picks before me!!! Chris Henry in the last round was also a great pick, particularly with Chad Johnson's shoulder situation. I also think Ray Rice will surprise a lot of people this year, considering McGahee's currently injured and hasn't practiced much. You have a glaring weakness at QB, though. Bulger was pretty awful last year thanks to a decimated offensive line. Rodgers is a solid back-up option, though; I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being more useful fantasy-wise than Bulger this season.

D, I like your team, but you're fairly weak at WR (you said so yourself). Brandon Jacobs makes me nervous too since he'll likely be splitting carries with Bradshaw and Derrick Ward.

I really like Mr. Brownstone; very solid at every position. Ricky Williams looks like he's for real this season, and for now he's the starter. Chris Perry could turn out to be a steal with Rudi Johnson probably leaving Cincy. And Penus Williams, when Brandon Marshall comes back, you're going to have a kick ass group of WRs with Marshall, Roddy White, and Reggie Wayne. If McNabb can stay healthy, and McGahee performs like he did last season, you could be the team to beat.

Personally, I'm very happy with my team. I don't really have a superstar at any position; but my team is solid and should be consistent all season. Portis, Larry Johnson, and Jamal Lewis are three RBs who should get 350+ carries this season. (I just hope they can all stay healthy.) Roy Williams, Bowe, and Cotchery are a solid group of WRs. Bowe was pretty damn good last season as a rookie, and should only be better this year (especially with defenses focusing more on Larry Johnson). I also think Cotchery will post career numbers now that he has a strong-armed QB to throw him the ball. Plus an ageless, ever-consistent Joey Galloway, as well as two breakout candidates in Anthony Gonzalez and Ted Ginn Jr., make for solid bye-week replacements. My QB situation is the only position that concerns me a little bit. Garrard is extremely consistent, and he never turns the ball over. However, Jacksonville's mostly a run-first team, and Garrard doesn't have the greatest WRs in the world. I like Schaub as a back-up, and for how late in the draft I got him; he showed flashes last season, but he couldn't stay healthy (his success is also tied to Andre Johnson, another guy who can't seem to stay healthy). Overall, though, I really like my team, and look forward to getting some (Shackler's) revenge from last year.

 :beer:

That draft was a bit fucked. I logged in minutes before draft time, and then when I'm on the clock, it glitches out. When my connection comes back, it says I picked LT. Was pretty pissed about that. Never would have picked him, especially not first.

Also, I couldn't chat in the room. I could see what you guys were saying but couldn't chat. Its like yahoo loaded certain features of the draft for me. I was surprised I made it the rest of the way through. When I saw axl4prez have problems in that late round, I had a feeling it was about to glitch out on me again.

I wish I had watched more preseason before doing this draft. I went in blind. There would be someone I wanted, and then would think,"are they injured? benched?".


Yeah, how moronic of me to pick one of the top rated defenses and a top rated QB in the league for my team.

Might want to wait until you have a win or two under your belt before talking so much trash. I don't even like fantasy football. Only agreed to it because Faldor asked me and some of the football fans at my site, he wanted an Evo vs HTGTH fantasy league and since I'm a long time member here agreed, and because you needed slots filled. Consider it a favor. :hihi:






Logging out again. Only logged in to post because I've known a few of you guys in the draft for years here and didn't want you to think I was being a snob or anything. I literally could not join in on the chat.


Good luck everyone. :beer: :smoking:

You're gonna need it. :rofl:

Who would you have rather picked? Nate Kaeding? J.T. O'Sullivan? Marty Booker?


First of all, Eli Manning may be the Superbowl MVP, but he's not a top-rated fantasy QB. Not even close. You could have waited until probably round 10 or 11 and still got the guy. And you could have waited even longer than that to pick Chicago.

I don't mean to be a dick, though, man. Thank you for joining and saving our draft. I didn't realize you were a member of HTGTH, either.

i just looked at all the rosters, and there seems to be alot of balance. it's tough to say that anyone's team looks THAT much stronger than everyone else. right now, the rosters i probably like the most are:

1. Mr. Brownstone - if S. Young and R. Williams stay healthy and get a high percentage of their teams carries, your team will be stacked.

2. Jessica Alba - i love your 3 RBs, and you have difference makers at every position except QB. that's a big question mark but i think Rogers will put up pretty steady numbers all year.

as for my pick of brandon marshall, i heard he should get his suspension knocked down to 2 games, and maybe even 1 game. still risky cause 3 weeks would be alot. 

Yeah I think a lot of the teams have great potential, but at the same time are filled with questions, which I guess is always the case before the season starts.  I actually thought C0ma had a real good team too.  Solid QB and WR's.  RB's may be a bit of a question mark but they could definitely come through.

As for my team, Selvin Young scares me, I really didn't want to take him but I thought he was the best option available for my #2 RB at the time.  Drafting a Denver RB used to be a guaranteed homerun, but the last couple years its been a nightmare.  Shanahan switches guys on a weekly basis it seems.  IF Young sticks that could turn out to be a great pick, but if Shanahan continues the rotating RB system I could be in trouble.  And Ricky Williams lasted a handful of plays last season, I'm hoping for a little more than that this year.

PaSnow is a member over at gnrevolution, just to explain his draft a little.  He wasn't there early on and was autodrafting.  He had put Desean Jackson up a little too high I guess.  He rated WR's high up.  It doesn't sound like he would've made that pick if he was in the room.  Lofton may have stretched for the Chicago D, he's a Bear fan though, so I'd consider that a pick with the heart.  I didn't draft any Patriots, not by design, just sort of happened that way.  But the Bears are certainly a solid D.  And after picking Eli he selected Burress, a nice duo to double up 10+ times a year for a TD.  I had Romo/Owens last year which was nice.  Those who had Brady/Moss did fairly well.  Not saying they'll reach that level, but that's often a nice thing to have.

i went total homer with the philly guys. i think mcnabb is primed for a big season. and i think the Eagles D could surprise this year - improved D, A. Samuel, and what looks like could be a strong return game. and i usually take my K near the end and figured Akers is as good as anybody that was left. he's due for a good year, especially if the eagles return to playoff form.

Yeah, I was looking to grab the Eagles D but you got them before me.  I think they'll put up some solid fantasy numbers.  Akers is solid, though kickers are least important in fantasy football. Usually my sure fire last pick.

yeah that was a fuckup...i ran out of time and he was the dude that was highlighted when the clock ran out

its all good...he played good in the SB maybe he'll have an ok season...i didnt realize there was 2 RBs every week or i wouldnt have waited so long to pick my second  :-\ i only signed up a couple hours before draft time so i didnt read all the rules and i went in with no research.

anway my wideouts are ok and i'm deep with my D and my QB's ... (took a chance on coles and hester)

ah well you suckers are all goin down anyway  :yes:

WR's dont win fantasy leagues though

I have great QB's in Anderson and Hasselback. Plus Jason Witten was almost a 1200 yrd TE so he makes up for my receiving weakness a lot plus I do have TJ Houzmenzadah.

I think Sidney Rice will be really good this year and Im not even sure who my other one is.



I feel I am stacked at RB

Westbrook is a fantasy phenom as long as he stays healthy
Jacobs is gonna have a breakout season. He may split some carries but u can guarantee he is getting the ball in the red zone and will get the TD opportunities. Lendale White plays for a coach who loves pounding the rock and he has a weak throwing QB and will get the touches in the red zone. He had 1100 yards last year and will be in his 3rd year which is normally a break out for most guys.

I think last year WR's were just as important, if not moreso, than RB's.  The fact that it was more of a pass happy league last year combined with lots of teams going with multiple backs.  I've heard teams won't be so reliant on the pass this season and may revert back more to the ground game, but last year a lot of WR's outscored a lot of starting RB's.  Out of the top 25 scoring WR/RB last year (based on our leagues scoring system) it was pretty much an even split, 13 RB's and 12 WR's.

I agree with Sandman.  Mr. Brownstone was the 1st team to really jump out of the screen at me.  That team is stacked.

With my squad, I waited on qb a bit long.  I really think the Rams are a completely different team.  Last year, not only did they lose Orlando Pace for the whole year, they lost 3 other starting o-linemen.  S-Jax is back.  New, fast blood to go with perennial All-Pro Torry Holt (Donnie Avery)...now that Bulger isn't playing with broken ribs, he'll be back kickin' ass.  Aaron Rodgers may take some time, but he's gotta be the real deal.  Tons of talent around him as well.  

I do have to be honest here...when grabbing qb that late, you need options...I was eyeing Jay Cutler.  I think he's due for a nice fantasy season.   :beer: to the team who got him!

D, just remember what Fisher said about Lendale.  It looks like a 60-40 or 50-50 distribution with White and Johnson.  THAT is why I wanted Chris Johnson, Sandman ya bastard!!!   :hihi:  Gostkowski...ugh!  What a kick in the nads.   :-[

Don't worry, no excuses here.  If Lendale White gets hurt or goes on a Big Mac-eating binge though, and loses the job to the fast kid Johnson, I will probably remind ya'll of that Yahoo hiccup!   :hihi:

I like the commentaries fellas.  btw, James Lofton, don't be down on LT.  He would have been my 1st pick, without a fucking doubt.  ...Eli Manning that early, well that's another story.  :hihi:  Thanks for gettin' on board!  HTGTH better represent this Fall!   :beer:

  

Sorry to hear you got kicked off and got Gostkowski autodrafted for you Axl4Prez.  I saw you asking me to pause the draft, but I couldn't respond.  For some reason I couldn't get involved in the chatting.  My screen didn't scroll down far enough to type, I tried everything, but I got kicked off myself at one point.  After that I figure I better not mess with anything anymore.  I don't think there's much I could've done anyway, it's tough in an online draft when there's a computerized moderator.  I was looking to draft Rodgers as a backup QB.  Instead I got stuck with VY.  Hopefully I only need him once this year and that week he throws and rushes for 2 TD's each.  That's what I'm banking on.  I drafted Bulger the last 2 years and he was great the first time around, not so much last year.  His o-line has been shaky for some time now but last year it finally caught up with him and the rest of the team.  He's still got the skills, I'd expect an improvement.  Not sure if he'll be back to where he once was though.  Although that division still sucks, so you never know.

Faldor, you're cool.  No sweat.  I am used to being a commish.  My money league is in its 11th season.  An occasional bugaboo will come up, and using fanball, I'm able to roll back a pick if needed.  Thankfully, we've never had a big problem...one pick rolled back every couple years.

Mr. Brownstone is my pre-season #1...followed in no particular order by:  Bend DPers, Demolition, and Penus Williams.  Penus should do well as I've got the Philadelphia Eagles doing really well this season.

Anybody else just do 2 leagues?  If so, do you have any players on both squads?  I'm quite nervous about having Jeremy "injury" Shockey on both my teams.  Ernie Graham's another one.   :nervous:

I did another draft tonight.  I picked up Jerry Porter as a backup, Colston as my #1 WR, Jennings as my #2, and Ricky Williams as my possible WR/RB.  So hopefully they have good years, or I'm in some trouble.  I've got another draft coming next Tuesday, so I'll probably add more to the list.  QB's went pretty quick so I was forced into taking Matt Hasselbeck in the 5th round.  Not totally psyched about that, apparently his back is bothering him.  If he can equal last years numbers I'll be fine, I just gotta hope Deion Branch can get healthy for once.  I had the fifth pick though and Westbrook fell to me, I was happy with that.  I also took Shockey in the 6th round, I missed Tony Gonzalez by one pick.

Gonzales?  Never trust a vegetarian.  ;D  Seriously, that's too bad because he's a Top 3 tight end.

Now the draft is over...anybody care to divulge what players were on their "I won't draft this guy" list?

Some of mine:
Edgerrin, Rudi, LJ, Maroney, Jacobs, McGahee, Plaxico, R. Bush, R. Brown, Julius Jones, any Texan rb's.

any others for you folks?

Maroney, Rudi Johnson, and Ahman Green are really the only three guys I can think of that I'd refuse to draft. There are several others that I'd only take if they fell much farther than their average draft position: Brandon Jacobs (injury prone and RBBC make him too risky for such a high pick); Chad Johnson (shoulder scares me); McGahee (I keep reading about Ray Rice looking super impressive and how the coaches love him; combine that with McGahee's injury and questionable work ethic and you have all the makings for a fantasy bust); Ronnie Brown (largely because he's coming off such a major injury, plus Ricky Williams is back in the mix); Marc Bulger because of his offensive line, plus Isaac Bruce is gone and Holt is getting older.

I also think Wes Welker is being taken too high. People pick him as their #1 WR, when he's really just a slot reciever. He might deserve such a high draft pick in PPR leagues, but not in standard leagues. I don't think he'll come anywhere close to duplicating last year's numbers.

Hasselbeck also makes me nervous, largely because his recieving corps is decimated, and he's got some kind of back injury going on.

I just read that Brandon Marshall had his suspension dropped to one game. Man, I almost picked the guy but thought, 'nah, I can't afford to have my number one WR on the bench for three weeks (four weeks counting the bye). I sure do wish I had picked him now.

that's good news. i had read over the weekend that the Broncos were sending a lawyer and hoping to have the suspension reduced. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/24/marshall-to-miss-only-one-game/

that's a great website. great links to stories in each city, and really good analysis.

Sandman, I recently found that site as well.  Good shit.  I'd have had Marshall, but he was snagged right b4 I could get him.

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Have you guys ever played Survival Football?

Its fun as hell

Basically you have to pick one winner every week to stay alive. If the team you chooses loses, you are elminated. Last man standing wins.

Anyone want to join?

its at yahoo

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/survival

I just had my draft for my first ever league. Anyone care to rate how I did?

QBs:

Donovan McNabb, PHI (2nd Round)
Derek Anderson, CLE (7th round)

RBs:

Steven Jackson, STL (1st round)
Selvin Young, DEN (5th round)
DeAngelo Williams, CAR (10th round)
Fred Taylor, JAX (13th round)
Steve Slaton, HOU (15th round)

WRs:

Anquan Bolden, ARZ (3rd round)
Greg Jennings, GB (6th round)
Patrick Crayton, DAL (8th round)
Brandon Stokely, DEN (11th round)
Devin Hester, CHI (14th round)

TEs

Jeremy Shockey, NO (4th round)
Kevin Boss, NYG (16th round)

K

Mason Crosby, GB (12th round)

D/ST

New England, (9th round

That team looks very solid to me.  How many teams in the league?  Solid group of RB's.  WR's are good if you only need to start 2, Crayton's decent but I don't know if I'd like to start him every week (if you needed to start 3).  Looks like you made some real good late round picks (Slaton, F. Taylor, Boss, Hester).  All worthy of flyers.  Don't know as though I would've taken 2 top 10 QB's though (again depending on how many teams in the league).  But I guess McNabb hasn't made it through a full season since the Clinton administration so I guess it's a good safety net.

12 teams in the league. We start 2 wideouts, two RBs, and one flex player.

Made me laugh at the draft yesterday when someone took kevin curtis and rudi johnson.

Why did u take D McNabb in the 2nd round?

U could've had him like round 7 or something.

Because I wanted a QB second, an by the time my 2nd pick came up Romo, Brees, Manning, Brady, were all taken. Most of the research I did had McNabb as the next guy to take, and if he wasnt, it was close.

Plus, he is healthy finally, and should score a lot. and if he bombs I have Anderson, who should have never fallen so far as to be my second QB pick.

I look at it this way GunnerOne84, had you taken Derek Anderson in the 2nd round (like I've seen him in other drafts) it's like you stole McNabb in the 7th. :)  Even though I've got him in our HTGTH league, I'm not high on Shockey in the 4th round.
I really like your qb's and S Jax will be a stud for a resurgent Rams team...give him some time to get back into tip-top shape and he'll be awesome.  Just curious, where did you get S Jax in the 1st round?


btw, Jennings was a steal too.  Nice work and good luck.   :beer:
 

Just pointing out, u could've still got McNabb round 5 or 6 and took another top notch RB in round 2.

I got S Jax 7th overall.

I had other TEs rated higher than Shockey, and wasn't planning on grabbing one so high, but for some reason people went on a run in the late 3rd and early 4th on them so I had to grab one, and he was my highest rated left.

I think he will have a pretty decent year now that he's in NO.

I think Shockey will put up the best numbers of his career this year. Antonio Gates's had his best years when Brees was in San Diego. Shockey's very talented, and now he's in a potent offense with one of the best QBs in the NFL. Unless he gets injured or something, he'll be a top five TE this year; perhaps even top three.

I hope you're right.  Shockey also had his best year with Sean Payton as his OC, now they're reunited.  I'm sure he'll be out to prove something to people this year too, with so many people pointing out the Giants resurgance happened AFTER he got hurt and that they were better without him.  He'd like nothing better than to silence the critics with a monster season.

Guys,
 I totally agree with ya'll...that's why I've got Shockey in both my leagues...great system, great offensive personnel, the  o n l y  thing about Shockey is the mf'er is not durable.  :(  I hate drafting guys who have injury histories...it gets me damn nervous!   :nervous:

Axl4Prez I need your help in making me think my team will be alright (others are welcome as well, just think this job is made for a Vikings fan, you'll see).  I just finished up a draft for my 3rd and final fantasy team and feel it's the weakest of the bunch.  Usually your teams get stronger the more drafts you do.  I think my RB's are alright (Barber, S. Young, R. Williams of which we only start 2), got Palmer as my QB with Rivers as the backup, Cooley at TE, and we start 3 WR's and here's where I need your help.  My first two wideouts are Braylon Edwards and Greg Jennings, my #3, the Vikings own Bernard Berrian.  Talk this guy up for me please how he warrants a starting #3 WR on my roster.  In case you can't tell I'm far from sold on Jackson as a QB and all they do is run the ball.  Ease my pain.  I drafted Javon Walker, Deion Branch, and DeSean Jackson as backups.  Maybe I just have bad matchups this week, but my team is around the middle of the pack as far as projected points go.

I had the number seven pick by the way.

Deion Branch is hurt, but Walker should be a good 3rd.

If I was you, I'd go with DeSean Jackson as my #3 WR for the first week, and probably the first several. With Kevin Curtis out, and Reggie Brown's hamstring problems, Jackson will get plenty of looks. The Eagles are a pass first team, and I expect them to score a lot of points against the Rams this week.

Not a bad idea, I may lean in Jackson's direction.  Berrian hasn't played much, if at all this pre-season, while DeSean has been pretty impressive.  I hate playing matchups in week 1, but it may be warranted in this case.

Faldor, damn!  I wish I could make you feel better, but between Berrian's toe and what I see as Sidney Rice's rising...yikes!  I love my Vikings, but I still have little faith in Tarvaris.

I agree with Gilee.  I'd roll with DeSean Jackson.  He's a sparkplug.  I expect the Eagles-Rams game to be a high-scoring affair...the Rams just signed some folks to bolster their secondary (to me, it's not a good sign when teams are signing multiple fill-ins before the season even starts).   

just a disclaimer on the prediction front though...I bet the Patriots in the Super Bowl!  :-[ (at least I admit it  :))

D. Jackson and J. Walker are both better starts in my eyes than Berrian this week. 


btw, may I say most of your team's matchups look very sweet for Week 1...unlike my money league where I have a horrible choice of defenses to field:  Bears at the Colts, or Bucs at the Saints.   :crying:

Okay, I'm going with Jackson.  I have the Baltimore defense, who I don't mind, but they're going up against Cincy and I have Carson Palmer.  Did I mention I'm not thrilled Palmer is opening @ Baltimore.  But I don't think I can bring myself to start Rivers at home against Carolina.  As I said before, I hate playing matchups with key positions in week 1.  Palmer is better than Rivers, he starts.  I put a waiver claim on the Philly D to drop Baltimore.  St. Louis is always good for a handful of sacks/INT's.  Philly D may be better this year anyway, so that move I can rationalize.

I do like Jennings vs. Minny, seeing as how teams refuse to run against them because they can't.  B. Edwards against Dallas I like, M. Barber (@Cle), and S. Young (@Oak), not too bad.  I guess my only real concern is Palmer for week 1, in THAT league.

I'm in several leagues this year, and I care about them all (especially Shackler's Revenge), but the league that's most important to me is the one that my friends and I do every year. We had our draft a few nights ago, and I think I had a great draft. It's a standard scoring league (12 teams); 1 QB, 3 WR, 2 RB, 1 TE, K, DEF, five bench spots. Here's my roster:

QB: Jay Cutler; David Garrard
WR: Reggie Wayne; Larry Fitzgerald; Roddy White; Chris Chambers
RB: Brian Westbrook; Michael Turner; Thomas Jones; Willie Parker; Ricky Williams
TE: Owen Daniels
K: Kris Brown
DEF: Packers

One of my friends has offered me a trade of Kurt Warner and Sidney Rice in exchange for Garrard and Chambers. I was the last person to take a QB, and I was hoping to land Warner anyway, but once he was taken, I drafted Cutler and Garrard back-to-back. My question is: should I accept the trade?? I like Garrard, he's very solid, he only threw 3 INTs last year, but he isn't likely to go out and throw 400 yards and 3 or 4 TDs in a game like Warner can. And if Warner gets injured, I still have Cutler to fall back on. Chambers is the only WR on my bench, though, and I'm not as high on Sidney Rice as most are. If one of my starting WRs got hurt, I'd be very uncomfortable starting Rice every week. Although with only 5 BN spots, I'm sure I could still land a decent option from the waiver wire . . .

I'm leaning toward accepting the trade. Just thought I might get some feedback to make sure I'm making a good decision.

I think I'd do it.  Garrard is what he is, a solid backup, maybe a spot starter in fantasyland.  Warner is a clear starter if he's starting in real life.  A combo with Cutler would be nice, he's solid but Denver still loves to run the ball.  Chambers is good but SD is a run first team as well and pass first to Gates.  So at best he's the 3rd option on the team, so he's not a complete stud.  You're basically giving up 2 bench players for 1 starter.  I vote yes.

Yeah, once I learned there's only a 1-day waiting period for trades I went ahead and accepted it. Both Cutler and Garrard had tough match ups this week. Now I'll have Kurt Warner starting against San Francisco, which is looking pretty good for me. Plus I figure since I have so much depth at RB, I can trade for a better WR once the bye weeks start coming up.

With Cutler on the squad, I'd feel comfortable with the trade.  Chambers is a bit better than Rice, but some no-name wr will emerge...and then you could dump Rice for him. 

How the heck did Fitzgerald drop to the 3rd round?   :o

I've got Warner in my big league.  McNabb, Rodgers and Warner...and now that Brown and Curtis are out...I'm probably going to roll with Warner's sweet match-up vs. San Fran.  I just wish it was in AZ.

I've got 2 defenses in my big league, Bears and Bucs.  We don't do special teams, just defense (points allowed, ints, fumbles recovered, safeties, tds off of int and fumbles)

Unfortunately, the Bears are at the Colts, and the Bucs are at the Saints.  Yes, I'm screwed.  :hihi:  I'm leaning toward the Bucs.  Anybody wanna talk me out of that one?   :peace:

I might actually go with the Bears, just because Peyton's coming off surgery and hasn't played in the preseason. He might be a little rusty at the beginning of the game; it's possible the Bears could grab a couple INTs. The Bucs usually do a pretty good job against Brees, too, though, but the Saints are still going to score at least 20 points . . .

You might as well just flip a coin. I don't think it'll matter much either way.

I'm frustrated over Jamal Lewis. He's questionable this week, and I have him in three different leagues. Unfortunately the Browns vs. Cowboys game isn't until 4:00, so I won't know for sure if he's playing or not until my 1:00 players have already played, which isn't going to leave me with many options to replace him with.

Gilee, who do you have a s a back-up?  I would be nervous if I were you.  Is Jarrett White Jamal's back-up?

Let me give my rationale for the Bucs.  It's a divisional game.  These 2 teams are the best of the NFC South (sorry Panthers and Falcons fans) and both teams know this could crack a tie-breaker for a spot in the playoffs down the road.  Plus, if I'm not mistaken, didn't Brees start last season a little rusty?  Plus, I heard the Bucs were able to move the ball on the Saints last season, which should either give the Bucs a lead, or keep it close, forcing more turnovers from the Saints.  Peyton and the Colts might be up by 2 td's by the end of the 1st quarter.  From there, it's lights out.  Plus, they're playing in their new crib.
I'm still leaning Bucs.
...and yes, I switched from McNabb to Warner at qb as well.  :peace:

as of 10:58am, John Clayton reports Jamal Lewis "will likely play for the Browns with a hamstring strain."

McGahee's also playing today but will likely share carries with Ray Rice.

Axl4Prez, I told you to start the Bears!! Although I doubt the difference in scores was all that major, since the Bucs had a INT return for a TD.

But I bet you're kicking yourself for benching McNabb in favor of Warner. I can't blame ya, though; I would've done the same. Who could've guessed DeSean Jackson, Greg Lewis, and Baskett would all go over a hundred yards??

Yet another injury that shakes the fantasy world a bit.  This is why you don't draft the same guys for multiple teams.  I have Colston on 2 of my 3 teams.  He's apparently out for 4-6 weeks after surgery.  By the way, congrats to Jessica Alba on the week 1 victory.  The defending champ starts where they left off.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8545384/Saints-lose-Colston-to-thumb-injury?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=4975

Could Week 1 have gotten any worse in terms of injuries to big-name players?

It can and unfortunately for the New Orleans Saints, it has.

FOXSports.com has learned that the Saints have lost their top receiving weapon, Marques Colston, to a torn ligament in his left thumb. Colston, in fact, quietly had surgery on Tuesday to reattach the ligament and will miss the next month to six weeks.

It's a huge loss for the Saints, who now must roll without their leading receiver. Colston was the steal of the draft two years ago as the former Hofstra University wideout has put forth two 1,000-yard-plus seasons in his two years thus far. Last year he shined with 98 catches for 1,202 yards. In the Saints' season debut on Sunday he hauled in three balls for 26 yards in a win over the Bucs.

The team will be counting on Deverey Henderson and David Patten to step up in production with their leading receiver shelved for the time being. It's unclear when the Saints will announce his injury but they are scheduled to practice this afternoon, with Colston obviously slated to miss the workout.

This is the first I've heard about the Colston injury. Damn, that really sucks. I also have the dude in quite a few leagues.

You'll be happy to hear that even with 2 completely bone-headed moves (starting Warner over mcNabb and the Bucs over the Bears D) it all came down to Monday night.  I was down by 1 point going in, and he had Ryan Grant, I had Adrian Peterson.  I won by 7.  :)

I'm very happy with the Bears D, but I have to go with the Bucs again this week seeing as how they have a better matchup and they are at home.  Screw matchups with my qb, I'm ridin' McNabb even in Dallas without starting wr's.

In HTGTH, Jessica Alba notches another W.   8)

The Colston injury should help me seeing as how I own Shockey in both my leagues.   :yes:

YOU of all people!?!? even i was saying mcnabb was gonna have a big year.

but you still got the win, so that's all that matters.

here's my week 1 fantasy story. i eeked out a W by 2.5 points. it was an exciting monday night.

i was down about 7 points. i had:

grant and scheffler.
vs.
crosby and vikings D.

i figured it was gonna be close. scheffler's 1 catch went for 72 yards and the Vikes D got a big fat goose egg! lucky win for me in week 1.

^ Ha!  Sandman, I knew you'd love that.   :)  The fact that Warner lit it up last year against the niners and D-Mac was without his top 2 targets, well, it was understandable. 

...I'm just glad you finally listened to me when it came to McNabb.    ;D

Nice win in Week One.   :beer:

HA!

no, no, no, no! just to be clear. you have not convinced me about anything regarding mcnabb. i've always said he's a good QB. i just believe he has serious personality flaws that have hurt both him as a player and the team overall. i stand by that.

Classic!  Sandman, I'm sure you are a good guy.  If you were my co-worker I'd buy you a beer after work and have you pissing your pants laughing.  That said, we'll agree to disagree as the man with the greatest td to int. ratio in the history of the NFL will demonstrate that the only thing holding him back is a recent history of injury.  Well, that and the fact he has the worst fair-weather fans in the country booing him at his home games.   :-[  ...and your post is just further evidence of Philly's lack of respect for the best quarterback the city's ever had.  You want personality flaws?  Start with guys like Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Jeff George, Aaron Brooks...McNabb is a class act on and off the field, always will be.   :peace:

Philly doesn't know how good they've had it.   :no:

Since this is in the fantasy football section, I'll have to say it again, I'm going with the Bucs D at home against the overconfident Falcons instead of the Bears D on the road against the overconfident Panthers.  Damn! I never learn.  :hihi: 

PS Sandman, do you honestly think I could convince you of anything?  :hihi:  You're pretty damn head-strong and I highly doubt it.  :hihi:

I don't feel too bad about my loss. Micheal Turner fucking steam rolled me. Who would've thought? I get Lofton twice, so I have a shot. :hihi:

I was actually surprised I won last weekend. Luckily my opponent had Carson Palmer, who sucked big time against the Ravens. As of right now, my opponent for this week, PaSnow, still has Jeff Garcia in his starting lineup, so it's looking like I'll get off to another 2-0 start.

I'm not liking my team anymore, though. In fantasy drafts this season, if I was unable to land Drew Brees early, then I was content to wait much later in the draft and get David Garrard. He was very solid last year, and I thought he was in store for a breakout season . . . But in week one he threw 2 INTs (he only threw 3 all of last year), and his offensive line has several injuries. So yeah, suffice it to say, I'm not too confident with him as my starting QB.

that's because you are trying to convince me that my opinion is wrong. can you convince me that buffalo wings don't taste good? no. it's an opinion. do you consider yourself "head-strong?"

i'm not a stat guy. stats make for fun regular seasons, but do nothing for me when it counts. since you love stats so much, what is McNabb's PLAYOFF TD to INT ratio. seriously, look it up and let me know.

and mcnabb is so great, but booing fans is too tough for him to handle? boo fuckin hoo.

do you even live in philly? cause it doesn't seem like you understand philly fans too well (much like mcnabb). the large majority of fans support mcnabb. he's lucky to play in a town with such die-hard fans. just check and see how many fans are in dallas monday night.

it's funny, his biggest fan in these threads doesn't even start him at home against one of the worst teams in the league. take your own advice....start him monday night!

^ Sandman, damn!  Lighten up man.  I live in the Philly media zone, down in Delaware so yeah, I get to see all the crap thrown Donovan's way.  Booing is one thing, but the "fans" in Philly are notorious and you know it. 

I watch Out of Bounds on CN8 everyday.  I listen to Howard Eskin and occasionally Angelo in the am if I can stomach him...which I usually can't. :)  ...and no, Philly fans only support McNabb when he's not injured.  When he was gutting it out when he was playing hurt, and when he was sidelined, he was not liked.  Hell, I know a ton of Eagles' fans who thought they'd be better off with Feeley or Kolb under center!  What a joke. 

No, stats aren't everything, but they are a reflection.  I'll post his playoff stats, but you asked for Donovan's playoff numbers, and here they are.  Donovan has amassed 21 total touchdowns, 18 passing and 3 rushing.  He threw 12 picks.  Not bad, eh?  Career completion % 58.7.  Playoff completion %? 59.4.

btw, I am starting D-Mac Monday night. 

so you base your judgement on a bunch of meat-head callers that call WIP every week. or a few drunk assholes at the game on sunday. the large majority of fans like mcnabb.

so that's 18 TDs to 12 INTs. not good at all.

here's an article in today's paper written by one of the top sports writers in philly. this reflects the way philly feels about mcnabb.

Rich Hofmann: Eagles' success always adds up to 5
By Rich Hofmann
Philadelphia Daily News

Daily News Sports Columnist

ALL EYES on 5, still.
Oh, Brian Westbrook makes for a fabulous distraction. And DeSean Jackson, the new No. 10, is now getting noticed, too. Somebody e-mailed the other day and suggested that the Donovan McNabb-to-Jackson connection should be nicknamed "5-and-Dime," which seems about right.

Just remember that 5 comes first.

It is McNabb's injury history that has ruled this team the last few seasons, just as it was his consistent excellence that fueled them for so long before that. Yes, yes, there are 22 starters and it is a team game - but there is no getting around this. This has never been about the wide receivers, not Terrell Owens, not any of them. The Eagles' story is McNabb's story - this year, last year, all years.

The simplicity of it is off-putting sometimes. Twenty-two players, lots of moving parts, there has to be more to it, right? Well, not really. Assuming reasonable offensive-line play - a big assumption, yes, but one that applies to every team, not just the Eagles - and assuming reasonable talent all around, the NFL is a quarterback's league and an NFL team's destiny is the quarterback's destiny. And that's it.

It is why all of this talk about T.O. and what might have been is just that - talk.

The topic is a staple during Dallas week anymore, like the Bounty Bowl used to be in prior years and like Joe Scarpati was in a time before that (ask your grandfather). It plays into all of the popular local story lines - huge player ego, crazy agent, management confrontation, McNabb bashing, wide-receiver talent gap, all of it. If Owens hadn't come here, we would have had to invent him just for conversational purposes.

But the Eagles would not have won one more game in 2005 had T.O. not been suspended in the ninth week of the season for conduct unbecoming a Philadelphian, or whatever they called his transgression. Not as long as the sports hernia and Mike McMahon were still the sports hernia and Mike McMahon.

The Eagles would not have won one more game in 2006 had Owens not shipped out to Dallas, and they certainly would not have won one more playoff game. Because, you know, Jeff Garcia would never have come here as a free agent if T.O. had still been on the roster, and he's the only reason the Eagles made the playoffs. And, besides, T.O. couldn't have stopped the run that night in New Orleans, either.

The Eagles might have, maybe, won an extra game last season if Owens had been around. If that happened, they would have sneaked into the last playoff spot in the NFC with a 9-7 record. All hail.

For this, we are supposed to be wistful?

Misty-eyed?

Mournful?

This has always been about McNabb. In recent years, it has been about his injuries and his caution with the football. Between the sports hernia and the major knee surgery, he lost something - not his nerve, necessarily, but his knack for gauging risk and reward. He just wouldn't throw it into the tight spots for fear of the ball being intercepted, neutering his wideouts and the red-zone offense in the process.

It played to the great Philadelphia chorus, which sings an endless loop of the we-have-no-wideouts blues. People said nobody was ever open, that the receivers weren't good enough, and it just wasn't true - and Garcia and A.J. Feeley proved it every time they played in relief.

It has always been about McNabb and his unwillingness to throw the ball. It is why the passes last week to Jackson were so significant - allowing a rookie to fight for possession rather than waiting for him to come clear was just an enormous step.

Now, McNabb has said it himself:

"My thing, this year, is the fact that I'm trying to give these guys an opportunity to make plays. I thought, earlier in my career, maybe at times I would have held the ball and tried to give them an opportunity to create separation when it didn't happen or whatever it may be. But now, it's getting the ball out of my hands and making them make plays for me."

Optimists will say, "Hallelujah." Pessimists will say, "What took you so long?" Whatever.

These are the most important words that McNabb has spoken in years. In many ways, this is the most meaningful thing he has said since that night in Washington, after T.O. was suspended in 2005, when he stood up after a loss to the Redskins in which the Eagles scored only 10 points and said, "Obviously it is tough losing a guy of his caliber, his ability, but I think we might be better off."

Like that, this is a bolt from nowhere. It changes everything. *

I hate philly with a passion but I must admit. The things McNabb accomplishes with those junior varsity receivers is outrageous.

If this guy had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne or Randy Moss, he'd be considered one of the best ever probably.

Agreed. I'd like to see Peyton Manning make it to 4 straight NFC Championship games with only James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, and Freddie Mitchell to throw to.

I think I'll probably always look back on McNabb's career and think "what if?" He's already had an amazing career, but what if he had managed to stay healthy these last few years? What if he had had legitimate WRs during those 4-straight NFC Championship appearances?? How different would things be?

not to beat a dead horse and take over this thread with another stupid discussion on mcnabb, BUT

he had a great WR in TO in 2004. and it was his best regular season of his career. so there is some validity to that statement....

BUT TO worked his ass off to be able to play in the SB. d-mac threw 3 INTs, and threw up on the field against a Pats team that was primed to be beat. TO had an MVP-like performance. then D-mac ripped TO a couple times when talking to the media. 

That's alright, yes, you are.  It's okay.  ;D

D and Gilee make excellent points.  McNabb has had (and has) nothing at wideout.  Zilch.  Damn!  Did you watch the game last Sunday?  LJ Smith dropped 3 friggin balls...at least. 

I give all the props in the world to T.O.'s talent level...but if you want to make Donovan out to be the bad guy, you're insane.  T.O. laid the gauntlet down dissing McNabb first.  It was totally low-class and Donovan fought back.  Terrell Owens was pissed because of money pure and simple.  He wanted more and the Eagles' organization didn't agree.  T.O. is a child.  D-Mac is a man...who just happens to be very underappreciated in Philly.  I've given you the freaking poll #'s (not verified by Shadows7xxx though, must be generated by the liberal media eh?  :hihi:) at one point 80% of Philly fans wanted Feeley or Detmer in there over McNabb. 

btw, "there is some validity to that statement"??? :rofl:  If McNabb had Harrison/Wayne like Peyton, D is right, he'd be considered one of the greatest of all-time.
Gilee said it best, "I'd like to see Peyton Manning make it to 4 straight NFC Championship games with only James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, and Freddie Mitchell to throw to."

...but I think he misspelled James Trash's name though.  ;D

Mcnabb did start it in a way though Axl4prez when he said "We don't need T.O to win"

u don't say that about someone like T.O.

He said "We got here without him referring to the superbowl etc.

I think he was a bit jealous.

I bet both McNabb and Owens wish they had set aside their differences and stuck together. They've both talked about how great they made each other, what a special combo they were. Hindsight's 20/20, I guess.

mcnabb took cheap shots at Owens twice in the media. TO is crazy - he's a flamboyant WR. you don't criticize him on ESPN. mcnabb was jealous of the fans love for him. that's why he said...

"Obviously it is tough losing a guy of his caliber, his ability, but I think we might be better off."

he let his personal feelings get in the way of the team's best interests.

and to be considered one of the best of all time, you need to win a SB. or at least perform well in the playoffs. mcnabb hasn't done either. also, Brady proved you don't need all-star WRs to be one of the best of all time. he never had the stats, he just won football games (until last year).

Good point sandman.  Brady had some less than stellar WR's at his disposal until last year.  What has Deion Branch done in Seattle since he left Brady?  David Givens?  David Patten?  I think Troy Brown was drafted in a round that doesn't even exist anymore, he was Tom's #1 guy until Branch came along. 

I think McNabb is a really good QB when healthy, but he did really seem to freeze in that Super Bowl.  Played with no urgency down the stretch.  Looked like Jason Campbell against the Giants on opening night on that last drive.

 :hihi:  Just something for ya to ponder.  Which qb in the playoffs would you rather have?
QB A:  18td, 12int, 59.4% completion %. 7-5 team record. 1 Super Bowl loss(3td, 3ints)
QB B:  32td, 24int, 56% completion %.  8-10 team record. 1 Super Bowl loss(1td, 2ints)

btw, quarterback B has no rings..."to be considered one of the best of all time, you need to win a SB. or at least perform well in the playoffs."  Really?  I always pegged quarterback B as one of the all-time greats...that's Dan Marino.   ;) (who btw had all-pro receivers, remember Duper and Clayton?)

On the T.O. soap opera, sorry, T.O. trashed Donovan first.  I will agree that after that happened, Donovan shouldn't have lowered himself to the child's level.  McNabb wasn't jealous, he just wished he had a wr that wasn't so immature.

...and btw, Brady and Montana are the greatest qb's ever.  I give the edge to Brady because for the majority of those years he, like Donovan, had dog-shit at the wr position.  To try and say, just because Brady did it with shit receivers, and Donovan couldn't, doesn't take a damn thing away from Donovan, it elevates Brady.  Give Peyton Manning Pinkston and Trash, and I guaran-fucking-tee he doesn't have a ring.  Same goes for Eli.   : ok:

 

Ok, I am littering this section with more football discussion but oh well


IF matt Cassel were to win the Super Bowl this year, does that tarnish Tom Brady's legacy?

No, I think it would enhance Belichick's.  You can't take away what Brady has done.  But I'm sure people would say "I told you so".  Up until 3 or 4 years ago people called Brady a system quarterback, it wasn't until recently that he was given the respect he deserved.  So some people may revert back to their original thoughts.  IF they won with Cassel though I would think it'd be in much different ways than they did with Brady.  Great defense, solid combination of run/pass.  Now if Cassel were to go out and break Tom's single season TD record.  Then, we may have an argument.

D, good question.  I agree with Faldor.  To think Cassel could do what Brady does/did, wow.  That would be something else! 

Example #1 - The Patriots won against the Jets much differently than last season.  Ball control, great defense, good game management by Cassel.  Not that this will propel them to the Super Bowl, but that's the recipe from here on out, just like when Tom was thrust into the starting role back in 2002.

Back to the fantasy world.  Help me out with this, I had Seattle's defense in my 2 other leagues this week and when I went to bed last night they had been credited with one TD.

Why'd they take away a Seattle defensive TD from me overnight? Does this not describe a defensive TD?

7:47 SEA TD Frank Gore rushed up the middle for 5 yard loss. Frank Gore fumbled. Marcus Trufant recovered fumble and returned for 4 yards. Marcus Trufant fumbled. Craig Terrill recovered fumble and returned for 10 yards (Olindo Mare made PAT)

If the defense fumbles the ball, do they all of a sudden become offense? That doesn't seem to make sense. It may not end up mattering, but I'd have a fighting chance tonight at least with those 6 extra points.  I'm down 14 points tonight in one league, he has McNabb, I have M. Barber and DeSean Jackson.  Being down 8 points would be a little better.  In my other league I'm up 4 points with Westbrook to go.  My opponent has Romo and DeSean Jackson.  Again, the 6 points would help.  Also, in theory Seattle recovered 2 fumbles on one play no?  I only got credit for one fumble recovery.  My teams and San Diego are not happy this morning.  Although, if I get blown out tonight in both leagues it won't really matter.  But, someone try and explain this to me.

Having Anquan Bolden and Greg Jennings as your starting wideouts is a very good thing....

I Have Seattle's Defense and had the same thing happen... I also had the same senario happen last year (or the year before) in reverse. Team X fumbled (offense) team Y recovered (defense) Team Y fumbled (Offense?) Team X recovered and scored (that defense got credit even though it was the offense that got the ball back.

I sucked it up big time in Shackler's Revenge this week, losing to PaSnow, who doesn't have a great team, and who also had empty spots on his starting line-up. That's just pathetic. I freakin' hate David Garrard; and damn Larry Johnson isn't getting hardly any carries. Hopefully his bitching will change that for the sake of my fantasy team; otherwise, I'm screwed. Jamal Lewis and the Browns are struggling so far this season. My whole team just sucks. I can't believe I was actually bragging about it after the draft.

u want a pissed-off fantasy fan?  I lost to a team that started Cutler and Brandon Marshall...by 3 fantasy points!!!  If Ed Hochuli doesn't fuck up the Cutler fumble (-2), it would have prevented the Cutler touchdown (-6) and the 2 point conversion (-2)... a ten point mistake!!!  Mother fucker Hochuli!!!!   :rant:

Ouch that beats yahoo not counting my Seattle defensive TD, which by the way didn't end up hurting me.  I would've lost by less than a point in one league if they counted it, instead I lost by just over 6.  A loss is a loss though, so it doesn't matter.  I was able to overcome the statistical error in my other league thanks to Marion Barber and the lack of a big game from McNabb.

You and I play this week, faldor. I expect you'll probably win (I think I even voted for you), but I'm going to do my best to make you 0-3. I'm benching Garrard and rolling the dice with J.T. O'Sulliven  :-\  in hopes that the Lions continue to give up 1000 points.

I'd make the same play right now with O'Sullivan...as long as Isaac Bruce doesn't pass away due to natural causes before the end of the game, the niners should rack up some stat"z" under Mart"z."   :hihi: 

ps, anybody see Jessica Alba rackin' up the points??  Jessica takes on Penus this weekend!  Sounds like a great movie to me!   :hihi:

It should be a battle.  I've got some possible game time decisions to make.  Adrian Peterson's status is up in the air.  I have him in there now, but if he can't go I'm gonna have to start Sproles.  And I'll be at the Pats game again, so I may have to "phone a friend" to get that done.  That's one negative about going to a football game on Sunday.  If I were home, I'd check my team 100 times right up until kickoff, just in case.

My team is projected to do some big things this week.

Im starting Hasselback against ST Louis instead of Anderson against Baltimore.

I picked up Stuckey and I think my receiving corps will shape up. Im gonna just have to take some risks and hope some injured guys come back soon and keep them on my bench.

Lendale White hopefully will keep up some carries.

I added Deuce McCallister just in case they let him come back to carrying full time.

D, Seattle has a great matchup...the only problem is Hasselbeck's receiver corps is down to the Seahawks mascot, the hot dog vendor, and the fastest member of their cheerleading squad!  Every fucking day another receiver gets hurt!  Was the Seahawks receiving corps on some sort of advanced promo addition of Madden '09?   :nervous:  Hell, they just signed Koren "20 DUIs" Robinson and he's already hurt his leg.  It's just weird.

Then, to give u more headaches D, Braylon Edwards is questionable this week. 

McCalister is, at best, a goal-line vulture.  Pierre Thomas and Reggie will be the primary backs in the Saints offense.

Lendale's potential has been almost halved with Chris Johnson's emergence...which btw, dammit all! I should have had him if it weren't for Yahoo's glitch!   :rant:    :) Oh well.   :)

U got mixed up Axl4prez

I dont have Braylon Edwards!!

He's saying if Edwards doesn't play, Anderson's stock takes a big hit.

I've got one for you guys for a money league of mine.  I have  3 options at QB, which one would you go with? Hasselbeck has already been discussed.  But they are playing the worst pass defense in the league (St. Louis).  Isn't that worth considering?  I have Delhomme, who gets Steve Smith back this week.  It's pretty much impossible to run against the Vikings so teams are forced to pass early and often.  Then I just picked up J.T. O'Sullivan, who plays against a porous Lions defense, and Martz could be out for blood against his former team.

I was thinking about sticking with Hasselbeck for ONE MORE week.  If he can't get anything going against the Rams then it's hopeless.  Or has it already reached that point?  They did pick up Keary Colbert this week and he will start.  Not that that's a huge deal, but at least it knocks the hot dog vendor down the depth chart.

Hasselback also has a decent TE.


I would start JT O Sullivan. Detroit just have NO defense and most importantly, no pass rush.

With Delhomme, Steve Smith is back but Minny have a great Pass rush so Delhomme won't have time to set up deep throws.

D, Faldor got it.  Without Edwards, Anderson's stock takes a hit.  Yes, Winslow's awesome, but from what I saw Stallworth's also questionable and the Ravens defense has looked pretty damn good this year.  Plus, the Ravens D is at home.  Bad news for the Brownies.

Hasselbeck, Delhomme, or O'Sullivan...honestly, damn that's a tough one.  I'd lean O'Sullivan.  Despite the fact the Vikes finished last in the NFC against the pass last year, this game they are at home.  This time the Vikings are 0-2.  This game the Vikes are playing for their season.  The Panthers are 2-0.  I give the big edge to the team at home here. 
  Hasselbeck's at home against a bad secondary...but again, the targets have almost zero time working with Hasselbeck.  It reminds me of a qb playing in an All-Pro game except...with Keary Colbert and Koren "slurrin' my words" Robinson as targets. 
  O'Sullivan's at home against a bad Lions secondary as well.  As long as it's not too windy in San Fran, I'd go with O'Sullivan.   : ok: 

If only my HTGTH fantasy team did as well as my advice yesterday!  O' Sullivan was definitely the play for Faldor, and if folks "bet purple" like I recommended, you are a lot richer today for it!!!   :beer:  Vikes and Ravens won big as I expected.

In HTGTH, the headline should read:     :hihi:


btw, wish me luck.  I'm up by 20 points in my other league with Kaeding and Chambers left to play.  The other team has Rivers.  I've got the edge, but nothing's guaranteed.

Im bout to go 2-1!


Yo Axl4prez

Shockey is out for 4-6 weeks!

That's the risk you take drafting Shockey.  High risk, high reward.  Oh well.

I just saw that myself.  I have him in one league along with the also injured Marques Colston, Joey Galloway, Brian Westbrook, and somewhat injured Ryan Grant.  A little decimated you could say.  I've got to scour the free agent market for a backup TE now.  Looks like it's either Bo Scaife or Shockey's backup, Billy Miller.

i'll trade peyton manning or philip rivers for a decent runningback

my team is fucking brutal  :hihi:  :'(

Here is my and Neemo's trade and the logic

He needs a RB, I need a WR
I also need an upgrade at QB as Derek Anderson sucks and Matt Hasselback has no WR's.


So

Brandon Jacobs for Hines Ward  *RB for WR*
Matt Hasselback and Hank Baskett for Peyton Manning

Or u can look at it like Jacobs for Manning and Hasselback/Baskett for Ward.



Rivers is his starter, Hasselback gives good numbers and Baskett has been a nice WR this season so far.

I didn't want Patton but he was gonna drop him so I told him to just throw him in on the deal to make it 3-3.


I think this is pretty fair as I do have integrity in Fantasy leagues and never particpate in anything unfair.


so give me some feedback and be honest.

I'll be honest...you're getting one hell of a deal D.   : ok:

If u don't think its fair vote against it.

If u look at the numbers, everything lines up rather well.


if u go Jacobs for Manning.

Jacobs is a first round RB, Manning is a first RD QB

Hines Ward, especially with Roethlisberger hurt isn't as valuable, he is more of a 2nd tier WR

U got Moss,TO,Fitzgerald,Boldin, B Marshall on level 1
then the next tier is Ward,Colston,WIlliams, Holt,Harrison.Wayne,Chad Johnson,TJ Houze however u spell it...

So Hasselback and Baskett for Ward isn't an amazing steal considering Baskett's fantasy scoring is comparable so far.

we went back and forth a couple times too with offers

anyway i still have rivers at QB and my rb's are brutal...and bbeing dead last i need a shakeup

pt wise so far its pretty even

baskett , hasselbeck, jacobs = 91.24pts

manning , patten, ward = 94.06pts

I think you're getting the better end of the deal too D, but I think I'd be willing to let it slide unless others feel strongly against it.  I'll try my best to stick up for neemo here.  

I honestly don't think Manning is gonna have that great a year.  He'll have his Manning-like games from time to time but the days of him throwing for 4500 yards and 40+ TD's are a thing of the past (really that only happened one season, but you know what I mean).  Granted he'll still have very solid numbers, but his line is banged up, his running game has been below average, Dallas Clark is always an injury risk and the backup TE options aren't very attractive in Indy, and Marvin Harrison seems to be finally showing his age (he's old).  I know Hasselbeck has nobody to throw to, RIGHT NOW.  But after the bye week both Bobby Engram and Deion Branch should be back.  Those are his projected top 2 targets, so that's gotta help.  And they play in a pretty poor division still even though Arizona and San Fran look improved.  His numbers last year were quite comparable to Peyton's.  With some weapons coming back I think he could bounce back.  Though Neemo has Rivers, so he would probably only use him during the bye week or maybe for a favorable matchup or 2.  

Jacobs is a solid RB as long as he can stay healthy.  Driver is the most reliable WR for the Steelers, Holmes is more dynamic but he's not quite there yet.  Baskett and Patten may be about even, though I'd give a slight edge to Patten.

Here's the way I'd look at it overall, Neemo goes from Rivers/H. Ward/Welker/Coles/W. Dunn to Rivers/Welker/Coles/Toomer/Jacobs.

D goes from Hasselbeck/TJ Housh/Stuckey/Baskett/Jacobs to Manning/TJ Housh/Stuckey/Patten or Crayton/P. Thomas or L. McClain.

If you can follow all that.

Also, people have to seperate Peyton Manning this year from the Legend that is Peyton Manning.

If Manning had 8tds and 2 picks of course Id have the better end but Peyton isnt 100 percent and his O line is injured etc.

Harrison isn't ever gonna be the same, so u have to look at that context.

He is however an upgrade for me at QB slightly and Hines Ward fills the receiver spot I desperately need.

Neemo gets the RB he needs desperately and he gets a very good backup QB in Hasselback who will be really good in a few weeks when his WR's come back.

My team was:
Hasselback
TJ
Stuckey
Baskett
Jacobs
Westbrook
Witten
White

it will now be
Manning
TJ
Ward
Stuckey
Westbrook
Lendale White
Witten
Pierre Thomas/McCallister McClain


Think of this
Who will score more pts
Manning/Ward
Hasselback/Jacobs

very close if u look at it.

Agreed, I think people fondly remember Peyton in his legendary fantasy years.  I don't think he's there anymore.  He's still very good, don't get me wrong, but he's no longer WAY ahead of the pack.  Last year there were a handful of QB's that had equal or better fantasy numbers than him.  Last season he had 5 games in which he threw only 1 TD, in 3 games he threw 2 TD's, and in 2 he threw 0.  Granted the remaining 6 weeks he threw 20, but that's really only 6 good weeks in the fantasy world.  2 TD's is okay, but 1 or 0 can kill you, and he did that 7 times last season.

"I think this is pretty fair as I do have integrity in Fantasy leagues and never particpate in anything unfair."

-This line made me raise an eyebrow D.   :hihi:  You seemed to be defending your integrity before it was ever called into question (which it still hasn't btw)   :hihi:

Call me crazy...but when Peyton gets Saturday back under center, and the o-line gels...hell, even before then, Peyton's a top tier quarterback.  Peyton Manning, Tony Romo, and now Rivers and Cutler have to be viewed as the top-tier Group A of fantasy qb's.  Brandon Jacobs isn't even close to top-tier of fantasy running backs.

This line was funny too:  "pt wise so far its pretty even
baskett , hasselbeck, jacobs = 91.24pts
manning , patten, ward = 94.06pts"

I've got Felix Jones on my roster, he's scored more points than Steven Jackson!  How about Felix for S-Jax?  Yeah, I didn't think that owner would want that deal.   :hihi:

My question would be to Neemo.  Do you really think you shopped Peyton around for the best deal?  Right now, I don't think I'd block the deal, but I do think you could have done better.  :-[  Props to D if the deal goes through.  :peace:

^nobody else offered me anything  :hihi:

seriously though if you dont like the deal then all you can do is vote against it....all i know is that my first 3 weeks have been brutal and something needs to be done :rant:

wk1 - L - 72.78 to 104.12
wk2 - L - 75.94 to 155.92
wk3 - L - 50.84 to 109.58

who would you consider top tier for RB? well one that you would trade for Manning? most people in this pool are doing fine with their qb's at the moment  :-\

I know i'm downgrading at WR but i'm upgrading at RB...and i still have Philip Rivers in the wings for QB ..who i havent started yet cuz i've been watign for Peyton to wake the fuck up  :rant:  :hihi: and i'll be getting a suitable backup in Hasselbeck..

but who knows, maybe this is a dumb trade on my part...i thought it looked pretty fair, but this is only my second fantasy league ever so what do i know  :peace:

I just meant that, i have integrity in fantasy games and if the majorty feels it isn't fair, I won't get mad or complain etc.

Everyone knows that most fantasy leagues are RB oriented.

So Brandon Jacobs especially with Plaxico suspended should have a big game and he is the Giants red zone back and I expect him to have a ton of Td's this season.

So one can really say Jacobs for an injured Peyton Manning could benefit Neemo. Peyton isn't the same record breaking QB from 2 years ago.

Thats my pt. On paper u see Peyton Manning and u think "HOLY SHIT" he's trading Peyton Manning but in reality, Manning isn't gonna put up anywhere near his usual numbers. I expect him to do better than Anderson and Hasselback though.

Hines Ward upgrades me at WR.

Also, RB's are WAYYYYYYY more valuable than QB's in Fantasy football. There are only maybe 8-10 really great Rb's.

For instance, I am in a league and I have Kurt Warner, Carson Palmer and Bret Favre at QB

I've been trying like hell to trade Carson Palmer for a decent WR and NO ONE will trade because most QB's score similiar pts and unless u are playing in a 20 team league, The difference in Peyton Manning and Hasselback isn't HUGE.

But

I wanted to upgrade at WR but I wasn't gonna trade Jacobs straight up for a WR as I feel I would've been on the real short end of the stick. So I figure, lets throw in Hasselback/Manning and that evens it up or at least pretty close.

Baskett/Patten were basically throw ins but if u look at that, Baskett is way above Patten.

so he is losing Ward but gaining Baskett
losing Manning but gaining Jacobs and Hasselback.

honestly, Im starting to feel like maybe I made a bad deal.................

I don't know if I'd go that far D, it's not a bad deal for you.  But you do make some good points.  I think at this point of the season (and it's way early) the trade DOES improve D's team.  The trade MAY improve Neemo's team.  Manning, IMO, isn't a loss at all this year for Neemo.  Rivers might outscore him this year.  He's certainly off to a great start.  Of course Manning is a big improvement over Anderson, but I refuse to pronounce Hasselbeck dead (probably because I have him on one team).  He had similar stats than Peyton last year and when he gets his weapons back I see no reason why he can't come close again.  So it may not be THAT much of an improvement for D at QB.  Jacobs isn't a top tier RB, but really how many top tier RB's are there these days?  LT, AP, Gore, Barber, Westbrook.  I may have missed some but after that it's pretty much a crapshoot.  Jacobs has great every down and goal line back potential, but the Giants have 3 very good RB's so they like to spread it out.  He could easily equal Hines Ward's numbers this year.

no doubt.....but fuck it i agreed to it so i'd like to see the trade go through...if it doesnt then so be it .... i'll try a new deal next week when one of qb's arent on a bye week...its not like my RB will be upgraded this week anyway since NYG are also on a bye week

When I first saw the trade, I immediately thought D was getting the better deal. However, the trade is fair; it benefits both teams, which is the whole point of trades. I see no problem with it.

Thanks guys.

Like Faldor said, Neemo has Philip Rivers who will outscore Manning this year, so basically he has Peyton Manning rotting on the bench when he could trade him for an area he needs.

with Me, I need a QB as Anderson hasn't panned out and I do think Hasselback is good but I DESPERATELY need WR help.

With Ward and Houzmenzadah *SP* I feel i have a good WR corps now. I still have Westbrook and Lendale White, plus McClain,Pierre and Deuce should shoulder some of my loss I am hoping.

So I traded a RB for something I needed, Neemo traded a QB/WR for something he really needed.

I think an overwhelming majority of seasoned fantasy football owners would agree D is getting the better end of this deal.

btw, a "top-tier" or "stud" running back isn't going to be in a rbbc (running back by committee).  Jacobs is an above average 2nd tier back who is part of a committee. 

Now, like I said before, once the Colts o-line gets healthy, Addai will be a bigger force, and that will help open the passing game for Peyton.

"So one can really say Jacobs for an injured Peyton Manning could benefit Neemo."  One could also say Jessica Alba will show up naked at my door tonight lookin' for a good time, but it doesn't mean it's likely!  :hihi:

Hines Ward is a definite upgrade.  He is a wr1 on a team with a very good (albeit recently banged up) qb.

CC's, Bend, PA, Lofton, and Estranged Eagles would all get a huge up-tick from Peyton or Rivers.  I wouldn't want to shape your dealings, but if you really looked at it from every possible angle Neemo I'd be happy.


btw D, "I've been trying like hell to trade Carson Palmer for a decent WR and NO ONE will trade..."   :rofl:  Of course they won't!  Palmer will eventually get hurt with that swiss-cheese o-line blocking for him.  Unless you find a Bengals fan you're screwed. 

btw2, Baskett will soon be fighting for the 4th receiver role in Philly after Reggie Brown and Kevin Curtis return with the emergence of DeSean Jackson. 

I still think Neemo could have done better.  The deal's not "unfair," it's just a very good deal for D and not a good deal for Neemo in my eyes... :peace:

There is a saying in the business world.

something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

Neemo shopped Manning for a week and NO ONE jumped for him, WHY? Cause every team besides me have a good QB.

QB's, unless they are Brady last year or Manning/Culpepper a few years ago aren't that worthy.

WR's arent that great cause they depend on the QB.

look at Moss, he was a first round pick.

U take Brady away and he is worthless. I wouldn't trade Lendale White for him now.

Roethlisberger is injured, who knows how long Wilie Parker will be out.......... Ward may not be that big a deal.

Kevin Curtis and Brown willc ome back.... but when? week 8? week 10? Baskett has at least 5 soild weeks left and THEN neemo can drop him for Curtis or Brown etc. or even Damn.... the Seattle guy, Engram yeah.

Would u rather have No Rb's and 2 great QB's?

Or 1 great QB and one above average to Great RB?

Manning on the bench is worthless.

^ I still believe the 5 teams I listed would have regarded Peyton Manning as a significant upgrade to their squads.  A lot of team owners just aren't up on their teams...that happens.  It's unfortunate, but it happens.

 :peace:

Most of those teams you mentioned though didn't have the RB to give up equal to Brandon Jacobs, without severely hurting their own team at that position.  gilee is about the only one who could've put together a package that wouldn't have damaged his team, but I don't know if he was interested.

Yeah, I was definitely interested in Peyton, because QB is my by far my weakest position. I would've been willing to give up one of my RBs (Portis, Larry Johnson, or Jamal Lewis --- preferrably not Portis, though) in a package deal, but I just couldn't make up my mind. Plus I was hoping to wait another week and see what Steve Slaton did this week, just to see if he's the real deal or if last week was an aberration.

I think my RBs have more upside than Jacobs, just because they're not in RBBCs, nor as injury-prone. But D beat me to a trade, so I'm cool with it. Hopefully I can continue to get by with a ragtag group of QBs. But I'd definitely be willing to make a deal for a solid start-him-every-week QB, instead of rolling the dice with guys off the waiver wire.

^johnson's performance is kinda scary so far this year...might have gone for lewis

anyway I'm feeling pretty good about my team now...if ryan grant and welker can step it up after a slow start and engram and reggie brown get healthy i'll be doin ok...i'll prolly suck again this week though

I wish you luck Neemo.  Of those 4 guys, Grant is key.  I'm just not high on Welker without Brady.  Grant can be a monster if he's healthy.

I heard a rumor the Rams might be shopping Holt...in my other league I've got Torry and damn I'd be doing cartwheels if he went to a real team with an o-line and stability at qb.  Brady and Bulger killed my stud receivers Randy and Torry...at least I had the luck to land Chambers as my #3 in that league.

Mid season trades are rare in the NFL.  Granted Chambers was traded from Miami to SD last season, butkit doesn't happen often.  I have Grant in a league too and am still waiting for him to get going.

if you really believed Curtis wasn't coming back for several weeks, you would not have picked him up. Baskett has a little bit of value - not much. 

if this were a money league, no way in hell does this deal go through. you're getting 2 strong starting players, neemo is only getting one.

a fair deal would be Jacobs for Manning straight up.

the addition of Ward for 2 players that will sit on Neemo's bench all year is what made this deal NOT pass the smell test.

but you made the effort to get it done, so you deserve the benefits.  : ok:

Sandman, you make excellent points in this post.  I congratulate you on your decimation of Jessica Alba last weekend btw.
 :beer:  Hopefully I'll see Penus in the playoffs...that sounds bad.  :hihi:

Well, I kicked ass in Shackler's Revenge, but otherwise this was an incredibly frustrating weekend of fantasy football for me. I lost in three leagues all because I left Lav. Coles and his 3 TDs on my bench. And in one of those leagues I only lost by .04!!! How freakin' close can you get!!!

Ive gone 3-1 in my leagues this week.

My team has been dismal this week. 55pts is all I got! LOL! how shitty is that!

Perhaps you guys can help D and I reach an agreement. We've been going back and forth the past couple of days trying to figure out a trade both of us can agree on. Basically, he wants to improve his RB situation, and I want to improve my QB position. We're basically discussing trading Larry Johnson in exchange for Peyton Manning; except, we both want more.

I'd like to have insurance in case one of my RBs get hurt, so I'm trying to get Lendale White in the deal also. He wants help at WR, too. The most recent trade I offered him is: Larry Johnson, Anthony Gonzalez, and David Garrard for Peyton Manning and Lendale White. Most likely he'll counter it, though, because that's all we've been doing.

I agreed to it

we went through some monster negotiations!

I  love being GM!

I think D's getting the better end of the deal, AGAIN!  Maybe I'm just really underestimating Peyton Manning, but Peyton for LJ is about even, although if LJ plays like he did the last 2 weeks it may not be.  I like Anthony Gonzalez better than White though.  He's pretty much a goal line back at this point.  I guess gilee does have the RB depth to afford to take the gamble, if you're set to count on Slaton.  D does have some serious need at RB, especially with Westbrook's status.  Gonzalez will probably start for him though.  Campbell has played quite well of late, but Garrard is nice insurance, obviously neither are as good as Manning.  But basically D's getting 2 starters, gilee is getting Peyton.

Fuck fantasy football, I believe D should be negotiating the bailout in Washington.   :hihi:

umm, yeah, D's getting a hell of a deal.   : ok:  Gilee, are you running a fever?   :hihi:

Well damn, maybe I should've asked you guys before I even proposed it. He and I went back and forth a thousand times. I tried to get him to throw Kevin Curtis in the mix, but he wouldn't do it.

Personally, I don't think the deal is lopsided. I can afford to lose Larry Johnson. I still have Portis, Jamal Lewis, and Steve Slaton, and now I'll have Lendale White. I don't plan on starting White. I just wanted him for insurance and as a bye-week replacement. I'll run with Portis, Lewis, and Slaton every week as my starters. I hadn't been starting Gonzalez anyway; I have Bowe, Roy Williams, and Cotchery. And I have no need for Garrard now, since Peyton's already had his bye and never misses a game. Plus O'Sullivan is still on my roster.

Maybe D is getting better players, but the trade helps both of us. I had a gaping hole at QB, whereas I was solid at other positions. Peyton's gotten off to a slow start this year, but he hadn't practiced and had missed all the preseason. Now that they've had a bye, and some of the others guys are starting to come back from their injuries, I expect Peyton Manning to play like the Peyton Manning we're used to seeing.

I'm putting a bit of stock in Slaton, but he's looked really good these last two weeks, and against two tough defenses no less. He's proven that he can make big plays receiving the ball if he can't get it going on the ground. I don't mind having him as my flex guy. If Larry Johnson continues tearing it up like he has these last two weeks, D will have made a great deal, but I don't see that happening. Johnson will be good, but not that good.

Basically I looked at it like this: which starting line-up will score me the most points? I feel I can plug in Slaton and still get a decent number of points each week, although not as much as Larry Johnson. HOWEVER, Peyton Manning will score several more points than O'Sullivan/Garrard, making up that deficit, and, overall, producing a higher-scoring starting line-up. I've sacrificed depth, but as long as my guys stay healthy, I think I'll have a better team.

What's funny is, nobody wanted Larry Johnson before this Sunday, even D. He was originally going after Portis. In this very thread Neemo said he would've been more likely to trade Peyton Manning for Jamal Lewis instead of Larry Johnson. Then Larry Johnson goes and runs for 198 yards and everyone thinks he's LT. But that was against Denver, who for the last couple of seasons continue to give up a lot of yardage to RBs. And the previous game, Larry Johnson ran all over Atlanta. Those are two bad defenses. And KC still sucks. They're going to have plenty of games this year where they're blown out early and have to abandon the run, like in week two when Johnson only had 12 carries for 19 yards.

So no, I'm not running a fever. At least, I don't think so. Only time will tell . . . 

i took a couple chances on wideouts coming off injuries

but this week was much better...if pittsburgh wasnt so shitty in the first half i woulda prolly won

anyway i'm much happier losing 101-107 (and i got negative pts from grant and only one from a WR) than 50-109 from the week before :haha:

this week should be better for me...but damn grant needs to step it up..though both d and i ended up dropping a wideout from our deal

i think its a pretty good trade between gilee and D though i wouldnt have taken Johnson...i still stick by that but the saving grace is Gonzalez cuz he is an ace TE..personally i think gilee got the better end of the deal and i still stand by the deal i made with D too...only time will tell i suppose (D i play you in week 10  ;) )

in the end it benifits both teams though you are back to medicore at QB again D..but RB's is the way of the game

edit....i was thinking of the wrong gonzalez..my bad  :peace: i think its pretty even but gilee has the edge, basically Johnson for Manning and then Gonzalez/Garrard for White (though white is a better fantasy starter than the other 2 IMO)

NO I didnt get Tony Gonzalez, I got the Anthony Gonzalez of the COlts who is like the 4th option.


I gave up on getting Portis cause I figured Gilee wouldn't really go for that AND give me Garrard in case of Campbell sucking it up.

So, To get Garrard, I felt I had to settle for LJ.

I kind of am goin the same way with Gilee here

I lost Manning but Jason Campbell has been putting up decent pts. I gain Larry Johnson to team with Brian Westbrook and Deuce McCallister who is now back. I have Leron McClain as insurance.

Also with Chris Johnson playing so amazingly well in TENN, Lendale's production is getting less and less.

My WR are now TJ,Kevin Curtis and Hines Ward

so we really traded a starter for a starter. Peyton for LJ cause I am only using Gonzalez till Curtis is back healthy.

I feel I have done pretty decent though

I essentially turned Matt Hasselback,Brandon Jacobs and Hank Baskett into Larry Johnson,Hines Ward and David Garrard.

From what I've ready Kevin Curtis isn't due back anytime soon.  And I think Anthony Gonzalez may have already passed Marvin Harrison as the second option on the Colts.  So essentially Gonzales will start for you for the next several weeks at the very least and potentially longer if he continues to progress.  I still view it as 2 starters for 1.

D, you missed your calling dude...you'd have made one hell of a car salesman!   :hihi:

If this PTA program doesnt work out, I may have to become one! that or a senator! :hihi:

I have two quick potential waiver wire moves I'd like some opinions on.  Nothing major, just some minor tinkering.  Of course these guys may get snagged between now and then, but anyway.  I have Antonio Bryant on one team (currently he's starting for me because of Westbrook's unknown status).  Is he worth keeping or dropping for Deion Branch?  On another team Steve Breaston is still out there.  He had a monster game last week and could be a player if Boldin is out for any amount of time.  I'd have to drop a RB for him though, probably Ricky Williams.  I currently start Barber and Selvin Young, and have LeRon McClain, Williams, and Michael Bush on my bench.  Worth dropping Williams for Breaston?

Absolutely

That Wildcat Offense shit aint ever gonna work again.

Also, Boldin fractured his sinus, so he will probably be out and plus with Kurt Warner, they will throw the ball around.

U also have Leron McClain who is gonna be this season's Ryan Grant.

Im tryin to pull off the trade of the century in another league of mine.


My team right now is:
Kurt Warner/Bret Favre
Chris Chambers
Chad Johnson
Calvin Johnson
Adrian Peterson
Larry Johnson
Anthony Fasano
Earnest Graham

Bench I got:
Lance Moore
Donald Driver *Some dude released him and I got him off waivers*
Ricky Williams
Deuce McCallister



Earlier I traded
Carson Palmer, Brandon Jacobs and Anthony Gonzalez for Larry Johnson

Now I am trying to trade Earnest Graham, Calvin Johnson and Ricky Williams for Brian Westbrook

Trade seems fair right? I think so

but look at my team

Id have

Kurt Warner/Bret Favre
Chris Chambers
Chad Johnson
Donald Driver
Adrian Peterson
Brian Westbrook
Anthony Fasano
Larry Johnson


I think Id have a great shot at winning that league.

Is this a good/bad trade?  I already offered and it was accepted so hopefully I did alright for myself.  I am trading Westbrook, Eddie Royal, and Lance Moore for Steve Smith, Kurt Warner, and Sammy Morris.  I realize Westbrook is the best player in the deal, and I hate giving up the best player but I'm a little scared of his injuries and I feel I really need a QB in this league.  All TD's are 6 pts.  I've shuffled through Hasselbeck and O'Sullivan, now I've got Delhomme starting.  He's solid, but I feel Warner is the better play for now (till he gets hurt cuz that's inevitable).   Steve Smith lessens the loss of Westbrook a little.  Morris is just a throw in, an extra RB for bye weeks or favorable matchups perhaps. 

My team before trade
QB - Delhomme
RB - Westbrook
RB - Grant
WR - Jennings
WR - Colston (when he comes back)
TE - T. Gonzalez/Shockey (I have waiver claims for both so I should end up with one of them)
RB\WR - C. Johnson

My team after trade
QB - Warner
RB - Grant
RB - C. Johnson
WR - Jennings
WR - Colston
TE - Gonzalez/Shockey
RB/WR - S. Smith

My team is 2-3 and has been fighting the injury bug (Westbrook, Colston, Shockey).  I feel like I need to shake things up.  I get weaker at RB, but stronger at wideout and QB.  Good deal?

I like it

U essentially got Kurt Warner and Steve Smith for Brian Westbrook

Warner is a 10pt upgrade a week over Delhomme, Smith will get you 8-10 and with Westbrook having Cracked ribs........... Id say he will really split time with Buckhalter *SP*  I look for Westbrook to be more of a decoy/WR Reggie Bush type from now on till he heals. I doubt he will carry a lot between the tackles.

when u are 2-3, u gotta take chances.

Yeah I'm usually not big on trades, but I hated the triumverant of QB's I had and having to choose which one to play each week.  Not to mention the injuries (Shockey, Westbrook, Colston).  I ended up getting Tony Gonzalez off of waivers.  I chose him over Shockey because of said injuries.  I realize the Saints are a much better offensive team than the Chiefs, but with that being said they have a lot more options on offense with Colston being one of them.  The Chiefs may suck but they really only have 3 main players who touch the ball on offense, plus I didn't feel like waiting for Shockey's next injury.

Faldor, at first glance, I liked the deal, now I'm torn.  These mega-deals are so hard to read.  I hate trading studs like BW.  I think your team is good before and after.  How does this change the other guys' team?  What's his record?  I'm going to guess he had another quarterback that allowed him to dump Warner.  I try to avoid giving starter value (like BW) to teams trading me a backup (like Warner)...even if the backup is starter quality.

In my main league, 12-teams, 11th year, I've made 2 trades.  I'm just not a wheeler and a dealer.  May I say though, either way, you've got a helluva team.   :beer: 

Speaking of Brian Westbrook.

I am fucked this week.

Jessica Alba is gonna rip my nuts off.

If Westbrook was healthy, I'd feel confident with The bye weeks. but Axl4prez is gonna kick my ass thanks to my depleted team.

how bout Brandon Jacobs last week!  If I hadn't traded him, he wouldve got 50 yards.

I can think of worse things than getting fucked by Jessica Alba!  ;D
I won't count my chicks before they hatch though.  I don't have Boldin and Shockey...
I'm still pissed I got booted off the draft...I'd have Chris Johnson right now instead of Gostkowski.  What a kick in the balls!  :rant: 

I liked the trade more before I saw that you'll now have to rely on Grant so much. Hopefully he'll get it going soon, but so far this season he's been a major bust. Warner is definitely an upgrade over Delhomme. I like Jake, but the Panthers are a run-first team, so Jake won't have too many big days; whereas it seems Warner throws for over 300 yards every game. Your WRs are definitely kickass now. Overall, I think you did a good job; you have a better starting line-up after the trade, especially with Westbrook getting injured every week. I'd be worried about depth at RB, though. No Patriot RB is really worth starting in a fantasy league; you never know who's going to get the bulk of the carries.

It seems Yahoo doesn't believe in my Shackler's Revenge team. They've predicted me to lose every week, yet I keep winning. I think the only week I was actually favored, I lost, which makes me worried about this week, since I'm predicted to win. Right now I'm feeling pretty good about the trade D and I did. I wouldn't have won without Peyton last week; and Larry Johnson rushed for only 2 yards or something. I don't think Anthony Gonzalez got him any points, either.

Yeah, I'm definitely glad I traded Larry Johnson when I did. Since trading him, he rushed for 2 yards against Carolina, last week he had a bye, and this week he's been suspended by the team. Meanwhile, Peyton is coming off his two best games of the season. You guys still think D got the better end of the deal?

I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong!  Nice work Gilee!   :beer:

I'm not ready to admit I'm wrong just yet.  Though it certainly appears that way right now.

Im not really upset at all with the trade.

I have a favorable schedule coming up after a couple of more bumps in the road and once Westbrook comes back healthy presumably after the bye week, i should get rolling again.

I looked at our league scoring and basically, the difference in Manning and the other QB's was only 5 to 6pts

I figured Larry Johnson and Hines Ward who I ultimately ended up with would more than cover that.

So for me, I still trade Hasselback,Jacobs and Baskett for Hines Ward and Larry Johnson

not a bad trade at all.

So I looked at it like, had I not got LJ, I would've had Peyton and Deuce McCallister *McClian isn't getting touches anymore*

so who scores more: Manning,Deuce? Or LJ and Derek Anderson or LJ/Jason Campbell?

I figured Campbell or Anderson/LJ *now everybody is healthy* if he reverts back to last years form, I will be in good shape.

I have Penus this week and with Westbrook on the bye week, I probably lose this week even with LJ, so it really doesn't hurt me him being out.

I get Estranged next week with Peyton against that Tennessee defense, Jamal Lewis against Jax although his other backs are against shit run defenses.

I will however, have Kevin Curtis at WR who should be at full strength and Westbrook against Atlanta. So hopefully next week, I can start stringing together some wins.

I sure wish I had started Lendale White this week.

Ouch!!!  My team SUCKS in the HTGTH league!  I mean, I don't think I've ever had a team so bad.

i cant catch a fucking break to save my life in this game

Grant finally has a great game and steven fucking jackson rushes for 160 fuckign yards as the st louis fucking rams kills the damn cowboys....

what the fuck....i need welker to get like 20 fucking points tonight to win  :rant:

and seattle sucks a donkey dick...last week engram got me 0 points...this week he got me 0.8

whoopdy freakin doo  :crying:

yeah, I suck

had I kept Jacobs and Lendale  White, Id be rolling a long.

GOD DAMN IT

Deuce McCallister caught Doping.

Larry Johnson beat a woman, suspended.

No fear right? I got Deuce McCallister.

FUCKER caught doping.

shit!

Team "D" seems to stand for Team Delinquent!   :hihi:
Team Delinquent's chasing up Jessica Alba's ass trying to get that 6th playoff seed.  Good luck!  You're gonna need it.  :hihi:

Big Monday Night

I lead Estranged Eagles by about 33 pts

He has Manning,Lendale and TN defense.


If he exactly reaches his projections, I will win by .50

I don't think I'll be able to quite make up the deficit, but it should be close!! Hopefully Indy's rush defense will continue to suck, so Lendale White may have another multi-TD night . . . Jamal Lewis scored 14 points on my bench, so I'll be mad if White gets less than that. Hopefully Peyton will have a big night, though I'm not expecting much against the defense. If Peyton's gonna suck, I hope he throws a couple pick-sixes like he did last week ... At least then my defense will get points.

Of all weeks for Westbrook to return to his awesome self, it just had to be the week I played you!

U think thats bad?

I had Donnie Avery on my bench in another league!!!!!!!!

I am still gonna squeak out a win, but tiebreakers come down to pts though

worst of all, i started Reggie Brown over him. How dumb.

even worse than that, I had Avery in my starting lineup till 30 minutes before kick off and changed it.

Avery ended up with like 40pts or something.

Hell, I lost in one league this week by five points all because I forgot to change my kicker. I had Ryan Longwell, who was on a bye, and I picked up Joe Nedney, who ended up with like 11 points or something, and yet I forgot to make that final step and actually insert him into the starting line-up. Total brain fart on my part.

Oh well, at least I think I squeaked out a nice come-from-behind victory tonight over D. I don't have StatTracker, so I don't know for sure, but according to my calculations I won by maybe 4 points or so, all thanks to that last TD by Manning. It wasn't looking good for me at halftime when White had negative rushing yards and nothing else, but luckily he got those two goal-line TDs. I hope I at least won by more than 2, because that would mean D lost simply because Manning's last TD was a rushing TD (6 pts) instead of a passing TD (4 pts).

But my dumbass probably calculated wrong somehow and I've actually lost and don't know it.

You were right, you won by 5.  What's with PaSnow running the table so far?  A little luck involved there I think.  He won a couple weeks in a row with guys on bye weeks in his lineup.  Favorable scheduling?  I've resorted myself to playing the spoiler role.  I hope PaSnow wins this week so I have a shot at knocking him from the unbeaten ranks the following week.

hopefully i can be the one to stop pasnow

man i squeaked out that win...dallas clark needed to get 24 points for Coma to beat me...he got 21  :nervous:

i need to run the table from here on out to have a shot at playoffs

and damn hasselbeck is prolly out again so that blows cuz its rivers bye week :rant:

Had i not made that last trade and kept Manning and Lendale, Id be rolling!

big game this week D...we'll see if Ward or Jacobs screws over their former team  :hihi:

Penus is tearing it up!  :hihi:

How ironic is it...in the draft, Penus stole my Johnson!  Dammit to hell!  The computer gave me Gostkowski when I was kicked off the draft.  I wanted Chris Johnson, only the leading rusher in the AFC right now.   :rant:
fucking computers.  :hihi:

I know it's sort of last minute (2 hours before kickoff), but I've got a bunch of WR's who are about equal and can't figure out which ones to start.  Right now I have G. Jennings, B. Edwards, and L. Moore starting (I have to start 3).  On my bench I have D. Jackson, S. Breaston, and D. Avery.  I pretty much rule Avery out since the Rams offense sucks.  Breaston, Moore, and Jackson are all on pass first teams.  Edwards has that big play ability but hasn't had a great year AND Brady Quinn completely forgot about him last game.  Any suggestions?  For now I'm sticking with what I got.

^receiver whore!  :hihi: 

sorry, I wasn't here to post my advice...but judging from my team's performance, you're probably better off! 

Steven Jackson's kicking my ass in another league.  Who's his back-up?  Earnest Graham!  :crying:

I know, I'm filled with solid WR's, but am REALLY lacking a 2nd RB.  I tried desperately to make a trade before the deadline last week but they were all denied, so I'm pretty much screwed.  I have M. Barber, who finally reappeared tonight.  I have Deuce McAllister but his time is pretty much done with Bush due back soon, plus Pierre Woods outperforming him anyway.  I have Leon Washington, yeah that's right, and that's it.  The waiver wire is lacking too.  Antonio Pittman, Fargas, D. Ward, A. Bradshaw, S. Young, T. Bell.  Not much help in sight.  So from here on out I'll have to GUESS which WR's to start (I made the right decisions today), and hope someone drops a RB or a surprise FA emerges.

May I vent?  In another league, I've got 4 running backs:  Peterson (good), S-Jax (bad-injured), and Graham and McAlister (out for season and "being phased out")
 
The very bad news is we are past the point of add-drops/trades.  Rosters are set.  Oh well.  We are allowed to start 1 rb and 3wr's as well as 2 wrs and 2 rbs.  I've got R. Moss, Colston, V Jackson, and Chambers. 

Friggin Graham's injury really hurt.  :crying:

In HTGTH's league, Jessica Alba's feeling good, not great.  I'll be playing Rodgers for both my fantasy teams, let's light it up Aaron!!!

You can't add or drop players anymore?  What if your team has a rash of injuries and you can't fill a full lineup?  I understand trades, but no more transactions of any kind?  I don't think I like the sound of that.

it's a tough rule, but everybody has to deal with it.  one year I made the mistake of deciding to go with only one kicker...hell, I figured no prob!  He's the most accurate kicker in the history of the NFL!  Yeah, Vanderjagt.  :crying:  F'ing cut and nobody picked him up.  That guy must be a complete jack-ass of a guy to be that talented and ignored by many teams with kickers not half as talented.

I made a couple shitty trades that really put me under. LJ getting suspended, westbrook breaking a rib.... just shitty stuff.

what sucks is, In 3 other leagues, I am in first in one, and 2nd in the other 2 and I lead the league in total overall points in all three.

This league, I just fucked up trading Jacobs and White.

Scheduling is big also, sometimes u get the wrong people on the wrong week and lose.

theres a guy in one of my leagues, fucker is 10-1 and his team barely breaks 100 every week. He has Leron McCain, and the backup for the Rams as RBs, he had Graham till he got hurt and he has Lance Moore as his W/R

He has had the huge luck of the draw so far but he has me this week and on the projected pts, it has me winning 140 to 105.

I got

QB Kurt Warner
WR Larry Fitzgerald
WR Chris Chambers
WR Ted Ginn JR/Kevin Curtis
TE Schaincothe or however u spell it
RB Marshawn Lynch
RB Adrian Peterson
RB: Larry Johnson

Bench
Deuce McCallister
Donnie Avery

Defense
Philly and Baltimore

I am getting my ass-kicked in fantasy football this year. I got 4 teams, one is in the play-off hunt, the other 3 have 4 wins combined.  :hihi: Usually almost all my teams make the play-offs, so its wierd for me to suck this bad. My predictions at the begining of the season have been way off also. Just a wierd year for me on all fronts. I have been wrong on almost everything and thats not usually the case.

I did take some risks with players but never had such a lack of production from my fantasy teams. Hopefully I have better luck next year.  :smoking:

I've clinched a playoff spot in Shackler's Revenge. Had I not traded Larry Johnson at just the right time and gotten Peyton Manning and Lendale White in return (a trade everybody thought I got the worst of at the time) I'd be near the bottom of the standings.

I'll need luck if I'm going to win the championship, though. There's at least three other teams in there that I'll have a hard time outscoring.

As far as my other leagues go, I've done really well this season. There's one league where I have Addai and Ryan Grant, so I've struggled most of the season, but they've finally got it going as of late and I'm on a three game winning streak. It's probably too little too late, though.

Oh, and btw, do any of you guys also play that Salary Cap Football game on Yahoo?? I just realized I'm currently ranked number one overall on there!!!! I don't know how many people play that game, but it's at least several thousand, so that's pretty fucking cool to be number one!! Too bad I don't win anything ...

^ Gilee, nice work out there.  Yep, I've already admitted I was wrong!  Nice trade.  :beer:
watch out for Jessica Alba...hopefully the Earnest Graham injury won't hurt me too much.

That is pretty sweet gilee.  #1 in ALL the land.

Yeah I now admit you made a GREAT move.  I was wrong.  And you did it absolutely at the best time.  LJ looked like the LJ of old for 2 weeks and you sold high, since then he's bottomed out.  I'm in one league with a bunch of friends and one of them was doing quite well, 1 game out of first I believe.  But he had the most overall points.  He went and made a couple of risky trades, one for LJ right before he got suspended.  Needless to say, they didn't work out.  I don't think he's won since, he's now fighting for a playoff spot. 

In the same league I made a trade that turned my season around.  At the time EVERYONE in the league thought I was an idiot for making the trade.  I had Westbrook and Colston who were hurt at the time, and my QB situation was a mess (Delhomme, Hasselbeck, O'Sullivan).  I offered Westbrook, Lance Moore, and Eddie Royal for Warner, Steve Smith, and Sammy Morris.  I haven't used Morris at all, but Warner is having an MVP type season and Smith has done pretty well.  It really worked out well for both teams as both Moore and Royal have kept up their solid play.  I also picked up T. Gonzalez up off of waivers (someone dropped him during the Chiefs bye week).  I had drafted Shockey, but had to drop him when he got hurt.  I could've picked him back up and was tempted because the Saints offense is so much better than the Chiefs.  But I think I made the right choice.  I lost the first week after the trade, but haven't lost since then running off 5 straight wins after starting 2-4.  I'm in a 4 way tie for 2nd right now, but win the tiebreaker with overall points, thanks to Warner.  The guy I traded with lost the first 2 games after the trade (1 Westbrook sat out, 1 was the Eagles bye week).  But since then he's won 4 straight and is part of the 4 way tie.  So far it's been a win-win, which is rare.

My stupid fucking team waits till the last week to get healthy and live up to their potential.

Injuries knocked me out of it.

Who has the highest-scoring team in all of HTGTH's league?  That's right, the hottest bitch of all Jessica Alba!   :hihi:
Watch out come playoff time!  Fans are chanting   r-e-p-e-a-t   r-e-p-e-a-t !!!!!!!  :yes:

My team just posted 168 points this week, sweet!

Argh!  In my big league, I need another team to win their game so I have a better shot at Regular Season Champ, but he's starting Losman over Frerotte!   :crying:  Losman's playing in Toronto against Miami, and Frerotte's indoors against the Pussycats, err, I mean the Lions.

Also, I must confess I didn't have the balls to start the 22nd rated Chargers D over the 4th ranked Bucs D.  I could have had a great Chargers night from Thursday...ugh.  Now, I'll be sweating it out until the Bucs play the Panthers.

I am in 4 leagues.

The injury/suspension plagued HTGTH league where I am finished


3 other leagues I am:

9-4  highest scoring team

11-2 highest scoring team

9-4  highest scoring team


I have no clue why I cant show my skill in these fucking leagues.

I have a great shot at 3 titles, I should at least grab 1.

Another year, another first round exit in the HTGTH league.   :crying: :crying: :crying:

I sympathize.

I was the highest scorer in one of my leagues. My team was projected to score 150pts yesterday

Marshawn Lynch........... NOTHING
Larry Johnson.................. NOTHING

My team averaged 140 a week and I ended with a whopping 100 pts.


I lose.

Jessica Alba rollin' rollin' rollin'...repeat time???   ;D
The Bend DPers just added a ton of talent...they'll be tough to beat.  I think I have PA Snow up next...who's HTGTH other than Alba (myself) and Penus?

that's it.  the other 2 are from gnrevolution.  Good luck guys!

Yeah. Represent!!!

We can't let gnrevolution win the HTGTH league, we just can't!

that's great that it's 2 and 2 in the final four.

i was a little worried about mcnabb possibly be benched down the stretch, but he's could put up huge numbers vs. Cleveland Monday night.

my WR/RB spot has been causing me problems...J. Stewart and Berrian are hot and cold. i have NOT been playing the "hot" player in recent weeks. that's really my only decision as far as my starting lineup this week. both have favorable matchups. i usually prefer the RB for obvious reasons, but something is telling me Berrian is due for a big game. 

although if Gore is out, i'm starting both so it won't even matter.

^ Hey Sandman!   :beer:  Congrats on making it to the Final Four.  We've gotta represent HTGTH.  I'm just afraid if you did happen to lose...you know who you'll blame...

McNabb!  :rofl:

Seriously, let's kick some ass this weekend.  It won't be easy.  Those fellas are stacked.   :nervous:

HAAAA! that would be funny. Mcnabb's numbers were not as good vs. the Giants, but IMO he actually played an even better game than the week before vs. Arizona. he made nice throws hitting guys in stride, clutch throws on 3rd down, and ran for first downs when the opportunity was there. it was like the 2001 version of mcnabb. good stuff.

but yeah, these teams are freakin stacked and i need big stats this week.

Big question...in my big league we're in the 1st week of playoffs...I started Colston and reaped the benefits Thursday night...now...I have one wr slot to fill and I'm debating between Randy Moss and Vincent Jackson.  I am 90% for starting Randy, but V Jax's 20 point performance last week has me less than 100%.

Right now, I'm starting Randy.  Here's the problem, neither is a great starter this week.  Randy's up against thee best cornerback in the league, bar-none.  Asomugha.  He's as shut-down as they come.  In fact, the Patriots are looking to sign him next year. (the Pats are smart, he's awesome!)  Also, the game is likely to be played in the rain.  Also, Cassel missed a little practice this week due to the death of his father so he'll be playing with a heavy heart.
The positive?  Randy up against his old team.  Perhaps he could step it up and make a lil' statement to Oakland?

V Jax.  Positives?  Up against a terrible defense in KC.  Negative?  Very windy in KC.  Wind advisory through 8pm tomorrow night and they have a 1:00 game. 

One more toughie.  Charger defense in KC in the wind...or Tampa D in a bounce-back performance after the drubbing they received from the Panthers on Monday Night Football?  Atlanta is averaging 32+ points/ game at home. 
Very tough decision...perhaps Dexter could provide some insight?   :beer:  (even non-famous folks can chime in too!  ;D) 

I'd lean towards San Diego D, the Chiefs are a far worse offensive team than the Falcons.  Though the Bucs DO have a better D than SD.  My gut tells me to go with SD, but that's without examining any stats, which I'm sure you've already done.

As for Moss.  He had a great game against Miami and has followed that up with 2 lackluster performances to say the least.  He's dropped some real easy balls the last 2 weeks.  I was almost ready to give him a pass in the Steelers game since the weather was SO bad, BUT he was just as bad last week against a BAD Seahawks team.  I would expect him to play with a little "extra" motivation returning to Oakland.  I'm sure the fans will be all over him and he won't want to disappoint.  Cassel playing with a heavy heart could also be beneficial (see Favre against Oakland on MNF years back).  As for Asomugah, he's legit, no doubt.  BUT, I've heard from watching New England sports shows that the Raiders play a base defense and they refuse to switch things up.  So he pretty much stays on one side of the field.  If the Pats wanted, they could put Gaffney on that side and move Moss to the other side so he'd be covered by someone else.  OR, they could take their chances with Moss one on one with Asomugah. 

It's a tough one.  Randy has been so bad these past couple weeks that I would definitely be tempted to sit him.  BUT, then again he's RANDY MOSS!

Yes Faldor, like I said, I was 90% sure about Randy.  I have the Chargers down for D as well.  Neither are ideal plays, but hopefully they put up average efforts.

I'm also sticking with Warner at home vs. a weak Vikes'
 pass D...over Rodgers and McNabb.

I've looked at every stat backwards and forwards.  I think the crazy wind in KC is just too much.  At this point on a neutral field, I probably would have leaned V Jax, but R Moss is where I'm going.  He's Randy Fucking Moss! 

Wish me luck.  and thanks Faldor.   :beer:

Good luck.  The way I see it.  Randy can't have 3 BAD weeks in a row and V-Jax can't have 3 GOOD weeks in a row, right?  Well, of course they CAN, but play the percentages.

Okay, Jessica Alba made a good effort at the repeat...but alas, the repeat dream is over.   :'( 

On a positive note in my big league, last night was friggin' insane!  It was down to the other guy having Witten left...and the score going in was 100 to 95.  (no decimals in my league).  How about watching Witten get stopped on the 1 yard line in the 4th quarter!  Oh man!  I ended up winning in the 1st week of the playoffs as the 2 seed against the 7 seed, 100 to 99!

To make matters even scarier, I checked out nfl.com and saw that they were crediting my opponents team defense the Titans with 4 sacks instead of 3!!!  Thank God, I think it was a mistake.  Plus, they initially gave my qb, Warner a lost fumble...again, incorrect.

Randy Moss came through...but that Chargers D sure the hell didn't!   :hihi:

Thanks faldor. 

Yeah V-Jax had a pretty decent day himself, but not as good as Randy.  I went again BOTH of them this week, but was able to hold off my opponent and advance to the finals (as long as there's no freak scoring changes by tomorrow).  I made a similar mistake with my defense in that same league this week.  I picked up Indy as they were playing the Lions.  I figured that was a fantastic matchup and would reap the benefits.  Well, that didn't work.  They only managed 4 points, while I had both the Jets (17 pts.) and Dallas (19 pts.) on my bench.  Sometimes playing the "matchup" doesn't work out, and it's better to just go with the better defense.  Also didn't help that Bob Sanders didn't play.  That Indy D just isn't anywhere near the same without him.

^True!  Isn't it crazy what 1 player can do?  Sanders in Indy.  Merriman in SD.  Just watch what happens to the Titans D without Haynesworth (and Vandenbosch too) the next 2 weeks. 

I hate fantasy football . . .

I think I lost this week in pretty much every league I made the playoffs. And what's frustrating is that I did so good during the regular season, ended up as either the number one or two seed, only to frickin' lose in the semi-finals. Playing for third place just isn't the same . . .

This was by far the worst week I've had in fantasy football all season, and what a time to have it. I was hoping Westbrook could bail me out in a couple of them tonight, but all the TDs went to McNabb.

Player I hate the most right now: Matt Cassel. I got nervous since he wasn't practicing and was listed as questionable, so I benched him and his 4 TDs in favor of Eli Manning. And yet it seems like I was facing Cassel in every match-up I had this weekend.

I'm pretty excited...a win this week would mean a trip to my league's Super Bowl.  The cool part?  The other semi-final game is being led by one Peyton Manning and Dallas Clark.  Why is that so cool?  It means that next week, I can't see Indy risking an injury by putting Peyton out there for a whole meaningless game.  The Colts will be the #5 seed win, lose or draw.  The starters may be in for a few series...then it'll look like a pre-season game...I hope.  :hihi: 

Now, to get to that big game, I have to win this week.  I'm sensing a barn-burner.  What do you guys think???

Rodgers           Thigpen
A. Peterson      B. Westbrook
S. Jackson        R. Grant
R. Moss            L. Fitzgerald
M. Colston        S. Smith
J. Carlson         B. Miller
S. Gostkowski  J. Feely
Bucs D              Eagles D

Hopefully the Fantasy Gods are good to me this week.

Axl4Prez, I wouldn't be too worried about the elements on Sunday for the Pats/Cardinals.  I'm not saying it won't be messy, it will be most likely, and I'll be there loving every minute of it.  But I don't think that will effect the scoring.  I still expect plenty of points to be scored.  Both teams defenses are pretty bad, so scoring shouldn't be a problem.  Moss vs. Fitzgerald could be interesting, especially if Boldin doesn't play.  HOWEVER, I'm not fully convinced Randy Moss can play in cold weather.  He had an awful game last time at home against the Steelers and it was cold and rainy in that one.  He tailed off at the end of last season when the temperatures dropped.  But again, he is Randy F'ing Moss, so I think you have to roll with him again. 

I like your teams chances at first glance.  R. Grant has a tough matchup against the Bears.  I have him in my championship game this week, not too psyched about that.  I've actually contemplated starting Sammy Morris over him.  I may give that a closer look tomorrow.  I'd stick with what you got though.

The Cards are tail-spinning into the ground right now...if they don't have Boldin I'm thinking the Pats will win big.  The Cards couldn't stop the run against the Vikings...OR the pass, and that was Tarvaris Jackson!  I guess Sammy has a td in each of the last 3 games, and is averaging 66 yards per game over that span.

What has been up with Ryan Grant, and the Packers defense this entire season?  So many folks blame Rodgers.  Don't blame Rodgers the defense has given up about 25 points per game, or that Grant was banged up earlier this season. 

One more thing...depth in fantasy football can be maddening!!!  My quarterbacks...Rodgers, Warner, and McNabb!
By the way, I did make one change in my lineup.  I'm playing Nedney over Gostkowski.  Nedney's visiting the Rams' dome.  Gostkowski might be kicking in tough weather.

Time to go check the weather forecasts.  :yes:

p.s. have fun at the game, I'm expecting a very solid Pats win.

You know, I think I'm making the switch from Grant to Morris.  Grant's had an inconsistent season to say the least but it's tough to sit a 1,000 yard runner.  Plus Grant IS the main back in Green Bay, while even though Morris is #1, Jordan, Faulk, and even Green-Ellis could be a factor on any given day.  BUT, Morris has run for as many yards as Grant the last 3 weeks with 2 more TD's.  And more importantly, I have Grant AND G. Jennings from the Packers playing on Monday night.  Normally I'd like the thought of having 2 guys going on MNF so you know exactly what you need to happen.  But I don't really like the Packers chances of lighting up the scoreboard @ Soldier Field.  So I'll choose the more dynamic and more consistent Packer in Greg Jennings.

So that's my line of thinking on that one.  Also, I have Kurt Warner on my team as well.  So while I'm hoping/expecting a solid Pats win as well, I'm also hoping for a 5TD performance from Warner, and a 42-35 Pats win.  How about it?

Damn, if Warner's your best bet at qb, roll with him, but Boldin's a game-time decision.  That made me hesitate...okay, that and the fact he was outplayed by both of my backup qb's Rodgers and McNabb last week.  Who's your backup qb?

I like Rodgers and Jennings even if it is in Chicago.  Green Bay will do what it can to give Rodgers a successful game.  At 5-9, it's all about saving face right now.  The Bears' 28th ranked pass defense won't hurt either.  The Bears are fairly stout against the run this season...but like you said, NE has one helluva crowded backfield.


P.S.  May I also add, JJ Arrington is a game-time decision as well.  He's a nice 3rd-down back/safety valve that AZ may miss.

Won A Championship today

league of 20 people and I took home the trophy thanks to the amazing play of Minnesota TE Schiancoe!

The guy I was against had Kurt Warner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   

So i got one trophy in the case for 2008 and I advanced to the finals of my sports forums league today blowing out my competition.

the 2nd place guy got upset by a dude with a shit team, so I may be adding 2 first place trophies to my collection!


That is great cause last year I got 2nd place twice, so its about time to take home the title.

Thanks to my "brilliant" move of starting Nedney over Gostkowski...I'm down 11 points going into tonight's game.  I need a win to advance to our Super Bowl next week.

Who's left?  I've got Rodgers...he's got Grant.  Most projections have Rodgers at about 17...and Grant around 11 or 12.

All right Gunners, send your positive vibes my way!!!!!!!!!!!!  Go Rodgers!!!   :yes:

3 degrees............ woo

I don't see Ryan Grant doing anything in this cold weather. making up 11 pts though will be very very tough.

U definitely made the right choice at QB though. Had u started Warner, u wouldn't even have a shot

In the annual league I do with my friends, I lost in the championship game all because of DeAngelo Williams. Going into Sunday night I had a 30 point lead and I just knew I had it won, since I figured the game would be very low scoring. But no, Williams scores 4 TDs. I'd also started Kurt Warner earlier in the day, which killed me.

So no fantasy championships for me this year.

Yeah Warner hurt me too this week in my championship.  Although my backup was Delhomme and he wouldn't have made up the difference.  I ended up losing by 17 points, thanks to Matt Forte's late resurgence last night.  I had actually closed the gap to 2 points at halftime with Greg Jennings until Forte exploded.  So I would've had to scour the FA market for a QB to get me 18 points, which never crossed my mind.

I swear the Cardinals were a disgrace to the NFL on Sunday.  I mean, I was at the game, and lord knows as a Patriot fan I love the fact that they killed them.  But seriously, I'm not getting TOO excited about the way they won because it seemed like the Cardinals weren't even trying.  I know the weather was bad, but Cassel had no problem throwing for 300+ yards, so that can't be an excuse.  They have just looked awful the last 2 weeks.

fuck Dangelo Williams and his four touchdowns, and fuck Forte and Olsen for getting 5 points in overtime to down my team in the championship game this year...118-114, fuck this shit!

I have my 2nd Championship game today.

I am the underdog going in expected to lose 119-115

he does however have Marshawn Lynch who may not play and he has NO backup RB. So if Lynch doesn't play I gotta great shot

My squad is:
Cassel
L.Fitzgerald
R.Williams *lets hope the Jones/TO speech means more points
Vincent Jackson
Thomas Jones
Steve Slaton
Maurice Jones Drew
Dustin Keller
Matt Bryant
Chicago


He has:
Shaun Hill
Randy Moss
Marquis Colston
Santonio Holmes
M. Lynch
M.Turner
C. Benson
Z.Miller
J. Elam
NYG


Turner is projected at over 25pts but I think Atlanta will hopefully put the game away and rest Turner 2nd half.



So far I have one first place, one fifth place, the shitty place i got in our league and I can get another first place tomorrow!

Lynch is o u t !

Nice work D.

Jessica Alba is disappointed it couldn't repeat as HTGTH Champ, but 3rd place Regular Season and 3rd Place Playoffs aint too shabby.

You were the top finisher from the HTGTH group right?  Those gnrevolution guys kicked our asses!

Yeah I apologize for my performance. Hopefully next season they will give us a rematch.

I stupidly traded away Jacobs and Lendale who both have 15 rushing TD's. that would've helped me big time cause I think I only won one game after those trades.

Faldor, you make a great point!!!  I may not be the HTGTH League champ...but technically, I'm the #1 HTGTH Fantasy Football owner 2 years running!   ;D

My team pulled a Dallas Cowboys and forgot to show up

I got 11 pts, ELEVEN FUCKING POINTS COMBINED from Matt Cassel,Maurice Jones Drew and Thomas Jones.

Dude I played only scored 90 himself... i only could muster 71pts! :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:


me vs Axl4prez fantasy


http://profiles.sports.yahoo.com/compare?myrecentleagues=199_268144&lyid1=Donnie+H&lyid2=AxlRocks&pubid1=aP2Sm7_CWTP5WtAApybX9.ppWq5mwixnh&pubid2=aoSB3WciRANGjKNtCgSsUZH2VT8hBWcDy

Ha!  D, it aint even close.  1st, I have no frigging clue beyond the htgth league what those other things were.  I'd be more than happy to post my performances in my main league in which I've been a commish for 11 years now. (we don't use yahoo as our service)  3rd, head to head D, you've come up short against Axl4Prez in the only two leagues that mattered. ;)  Good luck next season!   ;D