Here Today... Gone To Hell!

So, as Jarmo advised, we needed to move the Wal Mart discussion to here, I agree, it's no place foe the Gn'R thread. However, it does need a place. Wal Mart needs to be put in their place. I'm at work, so I can't contribute very much, but has anyone ever seen the documentary "Wal mart: The High Price of Low Cost"  If you haven't, see it. BTW, you won't be able to fine it at Wal Mart  ;D

PLEASE NOT WALMART.  They are anti-union, cheap labor loving facists.  I never, ever shop there, and never will.  They are the epitome of everything that's wrong with the Corporate-ocracy that the US is becoming.  PLEASE not WALMART.  Stop exploiting the workers, esp the Chinese. >:(

Im a Walmart whore I admit. They have low prices on food.

Wal Mart is considerably less for groceries, but I always add a shirt or pair of pants or DVD  to the list due to the convenience of one stop shopping when I go there, so I spend more anyway.

WalMart is a hellhole and does nothing but shit all over the small guy and I will not buy this CD from there under any circumstance.

Frankly, I think welfare pays more than WalMart does.  Not to mention the clauses they have in their health insurance that have screwed some really sick people. 

As ridiculous as it sounds I will NOT pay for this CD if it comes from Walmart.  I will gladly give GNR my hard earned cash by going to see them live and buying merchandise any other way.

Sorry for the million posts in a row but have we forgotten this:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/25/walmart.insurance.battle/

Brain-damaged woman at center of Wal-Mart suit

JACKSON, Missouri (CNN) -- Debbie Shank breaks down in tears every time she's told that her 18-year-old son, Jeremy, was killed in Iraq.

The 52-year-old mother of three attended her son's funeral, but she continues to ask how he's doing. When her family reminds her that he's dead, she weeps as if hearing the news for the first time.

Shank suffered severe brain damage after a traffic accident nearly eight years ago that robbed her of much of her short-term memory and left her in a wheelchair and living in a nursing home.

It was the beginning of a series of battles -- both personal and legal -- that loomed for Shank and her family. One of their biggest was with Wal-Mart's health plan.

Eight years ago, Shank was stocking shelves for the retail giant and signed up for Wal-Mart's health and benefits plan.

Two years after the accident, Shank and her husband, Jim, were awarded about $1 million in a lawsuit against the trucking company involved in the crash. After legal fees were paid, $417,000 was placed in a trust to pay for Debbie Shank's long-term care.

Wal-Mart had paid out about $470,000 for Shank's medical expenses and later sued for the same amount. However, the court ruled it can only recoup what is left in the family's trust.

The Shanks didn't notice in the fine print of Wal-Mart's health plan policy that the company has the right to recoup medical expenses if an employee collects damages in a lawsuit.

The family's attorney, Maurice Graham, said he informed Wal-Mart about the settlement and believed the Shanks would be allowed to keep the money.

"We assumed after three years, they [Wal-Mart] had made a decision to let Debbie Shank use this money for what it was intended to," Graham said.

The Shanks lost their suit to Wal-Mart. Last summer, the couple appealed the ruling -- but also lost it. One week later, their son was killed in Iraq.

"They are quite within their rights. But I just wonder if they need it that bad," Jim Shank said.

In 2007, the retail giant reported net sales in the third quarter of $90 billion.

Legal or not, CNN asked Wal-Mart why the company pursued the money.

Wal-Mart spokesman John Simley, who called Debbie Shank's case "unbelievably sad," replied in a statement: "Wal-Mart's plan is bound by very specific rules. ... We wish it could be more flexible in Mrs. Shank's case since her circumstances are clearly extraordinary, but this is done out of fairness to all associates who contribute to, and benefit from, the plan."

Jim Shank said he believes Wal-Mart should make an exception.

"My idea of a win-win is -- you keep the paperwork that says you won and let us keep the money so I can take care of my wife," he said.

The family's situation is so dire that last year Jim Shank divorced Debbie, so she could receive more money from Medicaid.

Jim Shank, 54, is recovering from prostate cancer, works two jobs and struggles to pay the bills. He's afraid he won't be able to send their youngest son to college and pay for his and Debbie's care.

"Who needs the money more? A disabled lady in a wheelchair with no future, whatsoever, or does Wal-Mart need $90 billion, plus $200,000?" he asked.

The family's attorney agrees.

"The recovery that Debbie Shank made was recovery for future lost earnings, for her pain and suffering," Graham said.

"She'll never be able to work again. Never have a relationship with her husband or children again. The damage she recovered was for much more than just medical expenses."

Graham said he believes Wal-Mart should be entitled to only about $100,000. Right now, about $277,000 remains in the trust -- far short of the $470,000 Wal-Mart wants back.

Refusing to give up the fight, the Shanks appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. But just last week, the high court said it would not hear the case.

Graham said the Shanks have exhausted all their resources and there's nothing more they can do but go on with their lives.

Jim Shank said he's disappointed with the Supreme Court's decision not to hear the case -- not for the sake of his family -- but for those who might face similar circumstances.

For now, he said the family will figure out a way to get by and "do the best we can for Debbie."

"Luckily, she's oblivious to everything," he said. "We don't tell her
what's going on because it will just upset her."

the problem is, Walmart is distroying American jobs everyday! I have no problem with BestBuy or some chain like that. but Please not Walmart!!!!!

To quote my old law teacher:

" I rather take my kids to Sears and pay $60 for their jeans instead of taking them to Wal-Mart, because by going to Sears, I can atleast take comfort in knowing my money is going to a company that treats their employees with respect, and allows them to have a union."

lets burn down wal mart and sing cumbia

*only joking wal mart dont sue me* : ok:

Fuck Wal mart . If Cd is only sold their that is the biggest sell out move Axl could ever do.

I don't know, I've never been a Congressman myself.

But I'm so flattered that you think so highly of me.  This America of yours sounds nice, I'll have to find a way to defect there from nasty old Canada.


That's how I always pictured it.

Thanks for moving my bit to the proper section.

Well as a factory worker. Walmart just plain pisses me off. They sell a cheap crappy product that is made in China. I have lost my job to China and I know what they get paid to work there. Its is sickening and we shouldn't buy any Products produced that way.
Walmart was founded on being a place where you could get Amercian made products. What the hell ever happened to that?

GNR is an American made product--lol

why do people think that walmart is the root of all evil? i know that they destroy the lil businesses but look at where a walmart typically is, its in a bigger city with other bigger bussinesses they're not in little towns, however, with the way big cities and big bussiness has been growing theirs always a big city with in 30 miles of every lil town in america and with the way the economy is farmers and small town folk are willing to abandon big small town prices for the comute to a walmart 30+ miles away.

South Park have an episode on Wal Mart - I urge everyone to go watch it.

yes i knew it! i've been thinking th?t i recognize this shit from a SP episode, thanks for confirming it : ok:

http://www.walmartmovie.com/facts.php

Read the facts, citations included for all of you who always want a source.

you never seen that one before? turns out theres a little mirror in the back of each walmart back by the TVs that you can get at a steal for only $399.95 a brand new flat screen could be yours...anyway...in the back by the TV sections is a mirror, if you break it Walmart inploads if you leave it be then it kills you from within so that you don't spread its dark secret

:peace:  :nervous:

I know this might disappoint Bandita...but if Chinese Democracy is sold only at Wal-Mart...I'd have to buy my copies there.   :-[

To be honest, I'd by it from Satan himself.  In some ways, it's kind of the same as Wal-Mart I guess.  :D

yes i had seen it.. thats what i said that i already have :hihi: anyway, way nice of u to tell the episode so people won't have to see it, your way is much funnier :hihi:

Seems every time I post here lately I get a shadow but I am going to answer you anyway ;)

I'm sure I would cave eventually too if that was honestly the only place I could get it!

Something in my gut tells me there's no fucking way Guns N Roses long-awaited album is going to be sold only in Wal-Mart.  Seriously, think about it.  Don't they censor everything?  Why don't they sign a deal to allow the "clean" or in my words "artistically compromised" versions to be exclusively sold in Wal-Mart?  That would be cool.  Then, they could sign an exclusive deal with a Best Buy or whatever for the "real" album.   :yes:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/wal-mart/impact.html

A little old but nothing has changed-

Wal-Mart: Pop Culture Gatekeeper?  Posted: August 20, 2004

As the nation's largest retailer of American pop music, Wal-Mart wields significant influence over the recording industry, artistic creation and consumer choices.
Wal-Mart's refusal to sell certain albums carrying parental advisory labels or containing lyrics or album covers deemed offensive has altered the way the recording industry and musicians conduct business.

This policy most conspicuously affects residents in communities where Wal-Mart is the only place to buy CDs, and will only find those albums that Wal-Mart considers appropriate for retail.

With its roots in the southern Christian heartland of Arkansas, Wal-Mart has rigorously imposed the model of a small town, "family" store on its shops across the nation, says labor historian Dr. Nelson Lichtenstein of California at Santa Barbara, who hosted an April 2004 conference studying the mega-store.

Because of this family values credo, Wal-Mart refuses to carry albums with "parental advisory" stickers or CDs with cover art or lyrics deemed sexually explicit or dealing with topics like abortion, rape, homosexuality or Satanism.

According to its corporate statement on stickered music: "Wal-Mart will not stock music with parental guidance stickers. While Wal-Mart sets high standards, it would not be possible to eliminate every image, word or topic that an individual might find objectionable. And the goal is not to eliminate the need for parents to review the merchandise their children buy. The policy simply helps eliminate the most objectionable material from Wal-Mart's shelves."

Wal-Mart will even request artists and recording companies to change what they consider objectionable lyrics and CD covers.

Since Wal-Mart in 2003 sold 20 percent of the nation's music, recording labels and artists recognize they cannot afford to ignore Wal-Mart's strict family values. Otherwise, their music sales could suffer as a result of not being carried by Wal-Mart.

When Sheryl Crow released her self-titled album in September 1996, Wal-Mart objected to the following lyrics in the song "Love is a Good Thing": "Watch out sister/Watch out brother/Watch our children as they kill each other/with a gun they bought at the Wal-Mart discount stores."

Backed by her record label A&M Records, Crow refused to change those lyrics. In response, Wal-Mart refused to stock the record. The retailer does carry her other albums.

At the time, Crow and her supporters accused Wal-Mart of banning her album because it directly criticized its sale of guns.

Company spokesman Dale Ingram quickly rejected that allegation. "Wal-Mart believes this is an unfair, untrue and totally irresponsible comment," Ingram said, according to a Sept. 10, 1996 Los Angeles Times article. He said the song insults both the chain, which he stressed strictly prohibits the selling of guns to minors, and many of its employees who work with children's charities.
Indeed, A&M executives at the time said they feared Wal-Mart's ban would cost at least 10 percent of her album's potential sales. Furthermore, many residents in rural areas, where Wal-Mart is the only music retailer, would not be able to buy Crow's album if Wal-Mart didn't stock it, the musician told the L.A. Times.

Consequently, most musicians and record companies will decide whether to "clean up" lyrics and album covers to fit Wal-Mart's standards. To avoid any foreseeable conflicts, record labels will often act preemptively by issuing two versions -- one "sanitized" for Wal-Mart and other mega-stores, and another unedited, but only for their star artists. Accordingly, musicians without name recognition must grapple with whether to create music that will not be deemed offensive by mega-stores so that their albums will reach the "masses."

For instance, John Cougar Mellencamp agreed to airbrush images of Jesus Christ and a devil on the cover of his album "Mr. Happy-Go-Lucky." Seattle grunge group Nirvana even changed its song title from "Rape Me" to "Waif Me" for the Wal-Mart version. The band also agreed to change the back-cover art on its In Utero album, which Wal-Mart objected to because it depicted fetuses.

On the other hand, the retailer does carry "Bowling for Columbine," in which filmmaker Michael Moore ridicules the mega-store after walking into a Canadian Wal-Mart to buy gun ammunition without showing any identification.

Moore furthered his attack on Wal-Mart, creating a petition that says: "We call on Wal-Mart to immediately stop the sale of handgun ammunition. Until Wal-Mart does this, we pledge to never again shop at Wal-Mart."

While Wal-Mart does not carry Sheryl Crow's self-titled album, it has no corporate policy against selling Moore's "Bowling for Columbine."

In fact, the corporation does not have a blanket policy on which movies to carry, unlike its ban on "stickered" music, says Wal-Mart spokesperson Karen Burk. While company policy does prohibit the sale of X-rated and unrated films, Wal-Mart stores can sell NC-17 movies as long as customers can show they are legally eligible to buy them, Burk clarified.

The decision on which movies will be ultimately sold, however, is made by individual store managers and local merchandise managers who base the decision on customer feedback, and not on which products have the highest sales, Burk told the Online NewsHour.

Burk referred to Wal-Mart's "store of the community concept," saying that those concepts will "reflect what our customers in that area want."

An informal poll of Wal-Mart associates in stores located in metropolitan areas of Alexandria, Va., Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, Pa., and Princeton, N.J., generally confirmed Burk's statements about the company's "store of the community concept."

Upon checking inventory lists, associates told the Online NewsHour that their stores did not stock "Bowling for Columbine." One associate from the Alexandria location said that the decision to "pull (the movie) from the shelves" came from his managers, adding that the store would no longer receive that film from its distribution center.

Associates at those retailers also said they did not carry the extremely violent "Natural Born Killers" by director Oliver Stone or Paul Verhoeven's sexually explicit, rated version of "Showgirls." At the same time, all retailers carried the ultra-violent, highly popular Quentin Tarantino movie, "Pulp Fiction," which associates identified as a high-selling item.

Magazines also must pass an individual store's "community concept" policy. For instance, certain magazines, including Rolling Stone, Maxim and Cosmopolitan, have been displayed with a shield over the magazine cover or even pulled off the shelves entirely in cases where the store merchandise manager deemed the covers too provocative.

Lichtenstein attributes these actions to Wal-Mart's tenacious adherence to its southern "pre-Civil Rights" origins and Wal-Mart patriarch Sam Walton's vision of a company that stood for "traditional values."

Some musicians and other critics say Wal-Mart's policy is tantamount to censorship, but Wal-Mart calls it customer service and "target marketing" for shoppers who overwhelmingly prefer products reflecting their community standards and shared values.

"The 'store of the community' concept is a policy we have, and we feel our customers are comfortable with it," Burk said.


-- By Liz Harper, Online NewsHour

what was that about Krist Noveselic saying about GNR being the "establishment" rock band?  Nirvana=corporate whores

Methodic we know very well the Nazi's used too. :hihi:

It's a attack against artistic integrity, it will hopefully kill itself as the music industry. Music distrubution is indeed changing :peace:
Ridiculous...the store has grown quite big and become significant however.

selling the cd at walmart would be quite a contradiction on the label's/axl's part. "Chinese Democracy" being sold in a store that exploits it's Chinese workers. terrible...just terrible. Don't sell out axl!!!!

interesting read if you have the time:

The Wal-Mart You Don't Know

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

U know, i started a thread on Walmart on this forum like 5 years ago! :hihi:

you should bump it  :hihi:

HAHA. I remember bitching years ago how they sell DVDs that show nudity and have language etc but not CD's.  Walmart do treat their workers often times like disposable waste, but I think they treat them better than fast food places etc would.

Well, maybe not....most fast food places are franchised and independantly owned, so, for example, while McDonalds is a huge corporation, you still work under a small tier. And then it's just a matter of who you work for. (just comparing, I've never actually worked at a fast food place, and am sure it would suck, just thought I'd throw that out there.)

i love Walmart. but i like Target better.

i don't understand why Walmart gets singled out for being responsible for "closing small businesses." if that was true, wouldn't other large discount stores be just as responsible???

Target rocks.

Read some of the last article I posted.  It's long but gives good insight about their practices.

The one thing I found interesting is that they will build too many stores in a small area and compete against themselves until they squeeze everyone else out.  Then they just close some of the stores but the damage has already been done.

Survival of the fittest Bandita!  If those small stores can't compete, they don't belong in business!  Perhaps those Wal-Mart workers should have just studied harder to get a higher-paying job with good benefits!   :rant:

(I posted that in my best Republican wannabe style!)   :hihi:

oops, I forgot to add while watching C-Span, there was a great interview with an expert on Wal-Mart's unbelievable actions.  Apparently Wal-Mart, owned by the multi-billionaire Walton family, gets tax breaks on the construction of new stores!  Ya gotta love it.   :(

I think all the Walmart hate is hilarious...it just shows how many of us Americans are uneducated sheep.  All the criticism of a Walmart release is just easily refuted. 

One person said that Walmart would lower any street cred with kids...hmm...Walmart just had a month of Madden 09 ads and sold that game amazingly well...no offense to Axl and guns n'roses, but more kids today know about and actively care about Madden than they do about GNR.  If Madden isnt tainted by its midnight walmart release and all of the walmart commercials about it, I dont see how GnR, whose base seems to be people in their 20's and 30, would be deterred by Walmart.

Walmart also isnt the same company that it used to be.  You can now sell parental advisory cd's at Walmart so that rumor is false.  That was an old rule and if there is a "clean" cd walmart prefers to carry it, but in the absence of one, Walmart will carry one with a parental advisory, but will ask for ID.  Again, something would be worked out and we know Axl wont compromise on his music.

The funniest thing is that walmart is some terrible company out to do harm.  First of all Walmart is the 2nd largest employer in this country.  That means 2 million people (and their immediate families) will be able to buy the cd for 10% off with Walmart footing the bill.  It also means that many people can buy the cd at work.  Walmart also is in most towns and is easily accessable at all hours of the night.  Also, go to a GNR concert look around, go to a Walmart look around guarantee you see the same type of people.  Walmart would be the perfect place to target GNR fans and if you put it in an "action alley" where people do a lot of impulse shopping I guarantee many former GNR fans would pick it up even if just for nostalgia reasons.  Obviously if Walmart had an exclusive deal theyd put the CD in a featured position where this would occur.  Hell they could even team with doctor pepper and on the release day starting at midnight Walmart and Dr. Pepper could team up and sell the cd and give away free dr. peppers. 

I love the people who wont buy the cd if its at walmart.  Wow, youre boycott of walmart sure is hurting them as they remain the worlds largest retailer, the most profitable retailer, the only major retailer that is exceeding its profit estimates and continuing its growth.  Good job, you are robbing yourself of a GNR cd and everyday low prices and receiving nothing but some sort of illusioned self satisfaction in return.  90% of Walmart employees have insurance and 100% of them work there because they want to.  The people saying Walmart owns sweatshops...uhhh...link please?  Walmart owns no factory overseas or any sweatshop or anything.  It was founded on buying American but when that became impossible because all the manufacturers moved overseas, they bought what they could from where they could.  Walmart doesnt produce the goods from China, there is no Great Value (walmart brand) clothing or general merchandise.  So if youre going to attack Walmart at least attack it for something its done wrong in the past, such as employing certain bad district and store managers who encouraged asking people to work off the clock or made gender based promotions.  I mean you could bring up that not all of Walmarts 2 million employees are perfect, but why lie about sweatshops.  Walmart buys from China and Mexico, thank Bill Clinton for allowing all of our manufacturers to leave the country and pay little to nothing for it.

As for running out the little guy.....Read about Dearborn Michigan and how many of those mom and pop stores flourished because they changed and adapted.  In business you have to change and adapt, if you are a mom and pop store that sells general merchandise and walmart comes to town and you try to run your store like you did in 1973, you will go out of business.  However, if you realize that "hey, walmart doesnt specialize or doesnt carry high end items" you could flourish.  There are many cases of computer stores moving right next to Walmarts so that they can leach off the people who go there who also want middle to high end computers.  Also many video stores move next to walmarts, people buy their groceries and want to rent a movie etc...Business is not charity, nor is it candyland, people have to be smart and have the ability to change to succeed...if people dont have this then of course walmart will hurt them, if they do though Walmart can provide more money in the community as well as allowing other businesses to purchase items cheaply as well.

Dont be dumb people if the album was released at walmart, if you refused to buy it you wouldnt be hurting Walmart...the first or second (depending on the day) most profitable company in the world, you wouldnt really even be hurting GNR, youd only be hurting yourself.

Remember at the end of that Wal*Mart film where they show an empty Wal*Mart?  That's class.

They can't even lease out the building because it's so huge and no one wants to go in there.

What happens?  The monolithic building becomes an eyesore.

It is in small towns. I live near a town with only like 25,000 people they already have a prefectly good Walmart and other stores and they are building a SuperWalmart. So the other building can sit empty and look like crap.

Hey AxlLynch, are you a Wal Mart represenative or something? Your whole two posts both deal with Wal Mart. Sure, exclusivly releasing a CD at Wal Mart might be a good thing for the artist, however, this thread is not about that. This is all the harm that Wal Mart does is other areas. You say 2 million people in this country work at Wal Mart. Well, if thats the case, then theres 2 million people living in poverty with a shitty health care system. At the very least they should be able to unionize and have an organization look out for their best interests. But no, Wal Mart won't allow that.

WTF registers on a GNR forum just to defend WalMart?   :confused:

Fear not, the Eagles album was also available for sale on their official website.  So even if this deal goes through you will probably be able to buy the album online somehow

I would prefer if they go exclusive they did it through Best Buy but I'd still buy it at Wal-Mart, as long as it wasn't edited.

I have a feeling whoever criticized Wal*Mart is going to disappear in the middle of the night.

Hey Mr. Walton, I know by not shopping at Wal*Mart, I won't be hurting them and causing them to file for bankruptcy protection.

But knowing that I don't support evil corporations allows me to know that I am not a part of the problem.

Thank you.

Your welcome basket is in the reception area.

haha I wonder what internet service provider you use, what cell phone company you are registered with, do you buy gasoline, where do you buy your groceries...farmers markets?  What computer do you use?  Have you ever bought a CD?

Wow you just got owned, change your name, thats embarassing.

They aren't human rights violators like your company.

Your Harvard degree couldn't teach you how to spell embarrassing.

http://walmartwatch.com/issues/supplier_relationships/

http://ihscslnews.org/view_article.php?id=44

And ive posted on this board for awhile, got bored several years ago with the waiting game, but come back to read from time to time.  I no longer remember the email address my original account was listed under nor do I remember my password.  I can jump in on other debates, but ive had them before.  This one was particularly fun because it was a bunch of uneducated jealous idiots bashing a company for being successful.   This is why there is no link to a Walmart sweatshop, this is why you acknowledge 90% of Walmart employees have health insurance, because you had some 7th grade history teacher tell you you should hate Walmart and you bought into it.  

Again, no company is perfect and every company has weak links.  Walmart like any company that employs 2 million people will have some bad people at all levels, but for the most part it really cares about its employees and goes the extra mile for them and their safety.

We can talk about the workers comp article if you want where you criticize Walmart for doing what its legally required to by law.  Under corporate law a corporation has a fiscal duty to its shareholds to act reasonably.  A woman was injured at a Walmart by a third party, under workers comp law she was paid about 1 million by walmart.  Then that same woman sued the third party and won.  She then went on to spend all but about 1/2 a million dollars.  Since 1/2 of her third party settlement of about 2 mil was for medical fees that workers comp already covered, Walmart like any responsible company sued for the workers comp money back.  You cannot double dip.  You cannot get money from workers comp and a third party for the same accident, its called double dipping.  It was an open and shut case and Walmart won.  Walmart actually asked for less than it was entitled to.   Any company would have done the same.  It was 600k that they had a responsibility to collect on, the woman got screwed over by her attorneys that was the problem.  Its just one of many times when Walmart did what was right and what it was supposed to do and it got twisted because of other people.

haha i read news from credible sources, those links are to sites with known virus's.  Haha supplier relationship, CNN did a study recently which showed the exact same goods are located on Targets shelves as are on Walmarts or Krogers.  They all get them from the same places.  haha why wont you answer where you buy oil from and ill tell you what kind of human rights violations the country that drilled the oil committed.  You just got owned, I thought I told you to change your name.  Youre a fool who has to resort to criticizing spelling on a message board.  Wow, I believe the Justin Timberlake forums are located on another page sucka.

We're not talking about countries, although I can see how you wouldn't know the difference between a corporation and a country.

You won't acknowledge that your company practices are beyond questionable, now why don't you go disappear for a few more years, "sucka?"

You probably didn't even read those pages.

Credible like what, Fox News?

haha the only place i quoted was CNN and foxnews is a hell of a lot more credible than any site written by some 12 year old in his basement.  Also there is no difference between country and company when it comes to OPEC since the countries run the oil that comes out of their countries.  Wow, owned, change your name, you cant compete.  OPEC countries operate like companies look at countries like Venezuala where the government controls the oil.  Walmart doesnt own a sweatshop it doesnt manufacture goods, your own links admit this and attack the supplier...oil companies get their supplies from OPEC countries that kill women for affairs, cut off hands for being accused of stealing and murder people for being gay.  Thats a lot worse than buying from a company that has a chinese factory that exploits workers.  Still you buy oil and dont shop at Walmart...why? Because youre a hypocrite

Valero violates human rights?  What?  Last I checked, they get all their oil from North America.  I hardly feel I need to justify my actions for you, but since you kept bringing oil up, I thought I would humor you.

Change your name- is that what the cool people say nowadays?

Oh, and can people stop calling it Wal-Mart, its now Walmart, because like any good company should, it changes and adapts.  It doesnt matter how low the prices are, people choose to shop there.  If your community really doesnt want walmart there dont shop there and it will close.  Walmart also doesnt usually try to lease their old stores, they become darkstores where Walmart keeps all of its old store manager recaps and other reports etc... The closed stores also make your community property taxes.   So be happy.  Again, Walmart doesnt specialize, any store that wants can sell a much more wide variety of a specific good than Walmart.  Walmart donates millions to charity and how about posting articles on which trucks were the first to bring aid to Katrina victims?  You wont because they were Walmart trucks, not federal government trucks, not national guard, but Walmart trucks sending aid.  Walmart just doesnt plaster all of its good deeds on millions of billboards because theyd rather spend their money helping people and keeping their prices low, which is why Walmart has the lowest markup on goods of any major retailer.

not sure if you guys heard but AC/DC's new album will be a wal-mart exclusive

Haha so you only show at Valero stations...hmm...that seems impractical, but im glad you chose them, because despite being known to have had giant explosions at their ill-kept refineries, they also get much of their money from joint ventures with Exxon which by the way gets its oil from OPEC nations...again, you lose and change your name, its too easy to beat you.  Go get your GED and then try to debate on a message board.

oh and one more thing, although youve already been destroyed.  Valero's Road Runner stores also sell goods which are manufactured by the same suppliers Walmart uses...wow its too easy.  You lose...change your name this is awful, i feel sorry for you.

I can't debate with someone who is blind to what his company does.  And unlike his favorite company, can't adapt and change his mind to the truth.  No other company has such a bad rep as Wal************Mart, and for good reason.

Good day.

stop putting paint chips in your cereal.

again no fact and no reason.  Just another loser with an ultra liberal middle school teacher and blind hate.  All major corporations have bad apples or short comings, its the nature of business.  Unlike many companies though Walmart tried not to engage the haters in a debate because they knew it was absurd, after many years though they have finally gone on the offensive.  So be happy people, thanks to idiots like Frank Costanzas Festivus Pole, Walmart will have to raise some prices in order to pay lobbyists and marketing reps to improve its image.  

paint chip joke...hilarious, wow Tommy Boy was a great movie, but it was over a decade ago, its time to let it go man.  Your jokes are stale, you suck, change your name.

Sir, take your goddamn med or call the padded wagon to puck you ass up . then at lest you would be out of your mom's basement . then I can bang her out with out listen to you watch Barney .

Why improve your image with costly lawyers when you can use this guy?

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wow im guessing you are a 5th grader from some nation where those jokes are semi new, but man did you buy a book of internet "slams" from 1996.  Seriously, if you arent going to participate in the conversation with any substance at least have some sort of original or offensive slams.  You could at least use some sort of decent english...I dont complain about spelling but the way you are typing proves you are uneducated and I hope...I hope...I hope English is your 4th or 5th language.  So please, youre not funny, youre not original, and you arent even engaging in the conversation...no one cares about you, no one will ever love you, just end it, the time has come.

Doesn't Wal Mart only sell censored music only? No explict content on any cds sold there  :-\ How would they be able to sell CD?

And they say ADD is overdiagnosed.  :rofl:

It is probably not my place to "say", but actually, he is an accomplished screen writer with works in production as we speak. Tman, if you want me to delete this, PM

What is he a screenwriter of, German porn or something?  Haha its a joke.  Do his screenplays have brilliant lines such as "then i can bang her out with out listen to barney."  Youre a joke, but its cool, feel free to lie on a message board about some other dude.  Im sure your cybersex partner will type out his sodomizing of you very well tonight.

I thought i told you to change your names.

I don't think that is as true as it used to be.  I think they have almost adapted with the times and will sell something slapped with an advisory sticker if they believe it will make them money.  Because you know, you can't expect any company to stick to their "so called values system" when there is cash to be made. ::)

So if indeed it goes to Walmart, rest assured you will be able to buy a CD with Axl's original lyrics and a gun to shoot at your school mates should you see fit.  <---Please sense my sarcasm here.

Walmart sucks big balls, I still hope they throw BestBuy a bone with this one.

AxlLynch, at risk of getting my 1st negative karma here for saying so, you seem like a moron.  It's one thing if you want to use "facts" to defend your position but you came blasting onto the board as a new member to insult long time members who also have a right to their opinions.

You love Walmart, we got it the 1st time.

Regarding this situation, YOU know that the right thing to do would have been to sue them on paper and then NOT actually try to recover the money so the family could take care of this woman!  But no, not Walmart!  Not only did they sue a woman who is now severely brain damaged and has no idea what is going on (not to mention who lost a son in Iraq), they actually want the family to fork over the money that was set aside for her long term care.

I more than understand double dipping and the fact that many people in this world try to fraud insurance companies.  This family was even upfront about knowing about it though.  They just really believed that Walmart would be kind enough to leave them alone so they didn't wind up totally destitute trying to provide medical care for her. :no:

Lynch likes Walmart so much because that is is home.  You can find him in the feminine hygiene section on the shelf with all the other douches.

You know nothing of me, but keep up with your ad hominems and I will assure you sir, that you will feel the wrath when I chew you ass, and spit in your face. I'll forgive your vacuous, and child like vituperations as pre-pubescent juvenile rambling ... this time, but be warned!!!

How bout we just stick to the facts and leave the name calling to the attention whore. It's funny reading his rants.

^It was observational; it had nothing to do with name calling.

Uh, Wal-Marts do set up shop in small towns.

They don't care how much they make, as long as they put the competition out of business.

Holy shit, its one of the Waltons!

Nah, he is just some low level management type stuck in a cubicle in Bentonville Ar. whose whole professional career involves trolling websites to defend his paymaster.

I did get an eye test and glasses at Wal Mart yesterday. Must say it was top notch service and price! : ok:

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shit that was a good one.

wonder if it was john boy...

Jim joe jack bob walton!


Wal Mart do give their employees stock options and stuff though and it is a step up from a fast food joint.

I love stock options.

"We want to help you give some of your paycheck back to us!"

It still sucks D.

What if the companies lets say are matching your stock input by a certain percentage, not that that is a Walmart option :P

Still just another version of 'taking it all, giving some back'. Bottom line, it's the companies that make out on the practice. The risk is being transferred from owner to worker, but the owner still controls everything. Same thing with all our pension, trust and savings funds. Simply a way for the elite to utilize our capital in their own operations. Things go good, everybody's happy. Things go bad? We pick up the bill.

Uhh...actually it is and Walmart does for all of its employees.  From the cart pusher to the CEO Walmart will match 15% of all stock its employees buy.  That is an amazing deal and considering you can buy pretty much everything at Walmart and employees get 10% off on all goods (except junk food), and all take part in a quarterly (for hourly) or yearly (for salaried) bonus, you can make quite a good life working at Walmart.  And no, I dont work at Walmart, but I do admire their capitalistic success.  Walmart actually has stopped expanding for the most part, they are now working pretty much exclusively on building up their current stores. 

As for the workers comp case...uhh, Walmart didnt injur the employee a 3rd party did.  They gave her the money to take care of her, and when she sued for damages against the 3rd party and won, she was legally obligated to pay back the money Walmart gave her.  Sue on paper?  Thats a new one...Im suing you, you owe us 1 million, but you dont have to give it back...What does a son dying in Iraq have to do with anything?  So her son died in Iraq so Walmart has to give her 1 million dollars?  Thats absurd.  Her situation is sad and unfortunate, but to fault Walmart which actually asked for about half of what they were owed, is just wrong.

Again if you dont like Walmart you must not shop at any retailer, because they have all copied Walmarts business plan.  You are criticizing a compnay that takes back pretty much any item for any reason, that gives more money to charity per dollar earned than pretty much any major corporation and 75% of all its hirings are promotions from within...its absurd.

Oh and its pretty easy to tell when someone uses a thesaurus...they use words with literal meanings that actually in context mean something else.

Though, I could be wrong, I call bullshit! It is probably more like 5% of earnings ... max! If your senario is correct, then I think that I will get a job there, and then invest most of my savings. See...

I am in no way defending Walmart, but what is the difference between Home Depot coming to your town and putting mr mcdaniels hardware store out of business who  has serviced your town with all of your gardening needs for the last 40 years. You know the good ol local hometown family business. This is something that has been slowly happening over time, bigger chains take over eventually. I do understand that Walmart is somewhat different in their business stratagies and alot of us don't appreciate the route they have chosen , but for gods sake no one is making these people work for them. R the people who work for them sitting behind their cash register with a ball and chain around their ankles, not hardly.

Building supply stores are essential, whereas Wal-Marts really aren't.

I'm satisfied with that answer, your right the world could still get by without them, but, it does help alot of less fortunate or lower income families. Idk it all just seams like one big vicious circle, I have never really looked into the Walmart situation to closely, what I know is only what I have read or heard, never really chased facts, guess I don't know what I think. ??? ::) :-\

The difference is that it is happening in EVERY town in America.

  R the people who work for them sitting behind their cash register with a ball and chain around their ankles, not hardly.
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Nope, they are working for an industry that has destroyed "small town" America while making, right at, minimum wage. Want health care ... hahahaha.

You can get 120 of the most popular prescriptions available, and easiest to manufacture, for $10. but if you need something else ... FUCK YOU!!!

I understand this just a little more now. Your kinda basically saying Walmart came in took away the smaller stores that offered better wages and benefits for it's employees, basically leaving them no other job options in their community in regards to retail so to speak.