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here's an interesting interview with the guy
he talks about dinner with axl
just before he leaves gnr

never saw that before

gr
widevu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFQzPfIhCqM&feature=related

sorry forgot the link

Interesting that he said that he(slash) axl and duff had like 80 songs

I take it they were all instrumentals with no vocals

wonder if any of those musical concepts ever materialized later as chinese democracy songs

and i bet we will never hear any of that stuff until 20+ years have passed

Slash and Duff do seem to gel well together

When VR was getting off the ground they also had like 80 potential songs

Those guys are prolific when it comes to jamming

Rock on

Alex

I don't think the interview is from 1995 like it says.

He talks about the Snakepit tour and going to Budapest. He went to Budapest in August 1996.

So it's a few months before it was announced that he had quit the band.




/jarmo

The likelihood of that happening is absolutely ziltch.  ::)

Good interview.  I think the main difference between the two was musical direction.  Axl wanted epic sounding, deep emotion, powerful lyric written songs, and Slash wanted quick hitting rock songs.  Therefore there is no reason for an original GNR concert again, not that it's a bad thing, but Axl and Slash want two different things. 

I wouldn't trade all the new GNR songs we heard recently for the unheard songs that were never released.

That interview was done over ten years ago.

The guys have done alot of growing up since then.

Some of the new stuff is most certainly quick hitting rock.....and then some!

Plus, I've always thought that Slash rather enjoyed the musical challenge of playing some of Axl's epic melodies.

I think it took him almost 2 years too get November Rain solos down perfect.

Some of the stuff just took longer to learn (rather than quick hitting rock songs).

could there be anyone more overrated than slash on these gnr boards?  ::)   

Nah man, I don't think he's overrated.

Seen the Tokyo 92 footage?

IMO he's quite unique.

he's run of the mill.   sure he does what he does well, but he does the same thing over and over again.   all he knows is what he does and IMO there are several guitarists out there that are much better.   he is known for who he is because of his persona with the top hat.  as a player, he's soooooo overrated.   his solo on the tokyo video you speak of is almost as boring as matt scrotum's drum solo.    lets just play the same scales over and over again!

The fact that he can play the music written by Axl with such soul and feeling says alot. It is not easy music to play at all. When you can master it though, it's a rather nice place to be...

I'm not just talking about a solo on the Tokyo video - I'm talking about his whole stage performance.

He plays by ear not scales.

Through playing Axl's music he was well on his way in 92 to becoming an extremely accomplished musician.

The fact that he could compliment Axl's performance on stage is important to realize because Axl 's musical upbringing was extremely intensive. (Mr I'll just play these trilly notes with the first three fingers of my right hand whilst my other two are bent at the nuckles!  ;D).

Matt's drum solo was interesting because of the rhythm - and I think it may of been one of the first times where another musician (Duff) started playing on the one kit.

"it'll work out though"

that was my favorite part

Slash's departure was one of the best thing that could happen to the band. He became an obstacle.

An obstacle to what? 

growth.  evolution. 

If you really think "Axl is God" then there's no point in discussing this is there?

Anyhow. Why would you say that Slash's departure was the best thing that could happen to GN'R? As long as the album we've all been waiting for for such a long time isn't released we can't know. Maybe you like the very few songs we've heard so far but who knows, you might hate the rest of the album. It's too soon to say.

We also don't know the songs Axl, Slash and Duff did work on. Maybe they were shit, maybe they were magic. In the 2002 interview Axl said: "I think that some of the riffs that were coming out of him (Slash) were the meanest, most contemporary, bluesiest, rocking thing since Aerosmith's Rocks." So who knows what we're missing out on.

Excellent point.  :beer:

"Fuck Yeh!"

 :rofl:

I always had a feeling that Axl when ready to do that style of album again, would come calling to Slash and didn't want this band to go there.  Also the 2002 album Slash, Duff, Matt, and Izzy wrote is supposed to be a GNR style album.  So who knows.

he said "he threw together a band and they'll play blues covers" guess he's talking about the Blues Ball and not snakepit?

Correct, blues ball, but he did play budapest i think the year before too, but with Snakepit.

From what I know, Blues Ball did play Budafest.  Sziget Festival on Obuda Island, Budafest Hungary in 1995.  Snakepit did not play Budafest.  As far as I know, Snakepit, 1995, played the US, Canada, Japan, the UK, and South America, in a 5 month tour. 

U are so full of crap it isnt even funny

name those so called better guitar players then

U are just mad cause your HERO cant hold Slash's pick.

I seriously doubt if YOU of all people could tell if Slash played the same scale twice. Coming from the guy who thinks Robin's caterwauling live solos 'rock', your opinion doesn't count for much.

Right On Genesis

Dude posted a link of an AWESOME solo and it sounded like a fuckin  lobster being boiled to its death.

I just always find it hilarious that even Axl has said that Slash is irreplaceable but yet people like Rim Job come on saying he isnt anything special.

exactly what i'm talking about.   a group of you have this attitude that he is some sort of god, when he's not.   preferences are subjective.   in my humble opinion, he's not all you and D make him out to be.

I would be interested to know who Rim Job thinks is "much better".   Personally, I wouldn't place Slash at THE top, but I think he's in the top 5. I don't believe, for one second, that he's over rated or boring or that he does the same thing over and over again....come on...  

      

pretty much all the guitar players who have come after him in guns n roses i prefer.    now i know you clowns are going to come back with 'blah blah blah slash wrote this slash wears the top hat blah blah blah'  but i simply prefer buckethead, bumblefoot, and finck and am very glad they have made their presence felt in GnR on the new stuff.

Bumblefoot and Buckethead are better guitarists than Slash (I won't even talk about that other douche). However it's not just about technical ability. It's what you do with it. I enjoy BF's and BH's solo work, but the just the first 8 notes of SCOM blow away most of their stuff. Twenty years on and it's still arguably the most recoginizable guitar riff ever written. Beat that.

slash is a washed up hack.  accept it and get over it.  :-*

Whatever gets you off in your world, baby. :-*

How does he do that?!!!

I've got the sheet music in front of me. I can play a Bach fugue very well......and yet every time I try to play those notes on the piano, it don't sound right. I can sing it in my head but playing it!

Something to do with the timing, his ear - it's uniquely his.

you guys are talking about SCOM, but I've always thought Robin plays that one quite well, often times better than versions from the old days.

Rim Job get over it

Finck is a very medicore guitar player... seriously.


Bucket and Bumble are technically better but cant come close to matching Slash's creativity.

Fuck, Myles Kennedy is "Technically" a better singer than Axl.......... see how laughable that is?


Once again Rim Job u are missing the whole point.

WRITING SCOM and some dude "PLAYING" SCOM are such fuckin different animals, dude I cant even begin to tell u.

People who dont play THINK for some stupid ass reason that any fuckin body can pick up a guitar and write great stuff.

It doesnt work that way.

There are millions of guitar players and SLASH IS and WILL always be amongst the greats.  Finck will never be featured on Guitar Hero I can promise u that or have 2 or 3 of his riffs/solos constantly mentioned in the top 10 greatest of lists.

Go put on a Fucking GNR record and LISTEN to the guitar

if u cant tell the different in the guitar playing in WTTJ for instance and any of the new GNR stuff, u seriously have ZERO ear.


Honest to GOd u sound like some fookin GNR noob who only discovered them in 2002 or something. its people like u that make it impossible for me to enjoy the new band.

u poll 1 million people and I say even members of Finck's family vote for Slash.

opinions are like assholes, everone has one ;)

yeah, I'm sure he's known just for his top hat :hihi: thats about the dumbest thing i've heard in quite a whilw, which is also quite an accomplishment, especially on this board.......

before you go and say he is run of the mill, overated, and is known for his top hat, et all-----lets wait and see how Chinese Democracy is regarded 20 years after it's release; if there are any songs listed in rock magazines in best solo's of all time, or best riffs of all time, etc.-----

because for someone that you claim to be run of the mill and overrated, his name sure appears in alot of those best riffs and best solo lists for MULTIPLE SONGS......more so than Robins, Bumble's or any of the new members of GnR....

Yngvie malmsteem was a much better shredder but he wrote shit : ok:  theres more to a song than technical merit, just ask olympic ice skaters :P

Eurovision reference?  ;D

back to the interview

i thought that slash did bluesball after he leaves gnr
but he did it (comparing to this interview) while he was still in the band
so when did he leave actually?


gr
widevu

I think things unravelled late 93 to mid 94. (The Australian gig in Melbourne was abit of a diaster - security wise..) Of course you must realize that for Axl it would have been one of the most painful announcements to make. That's why there's a bit of a time factor here, where Slash was given room to go off and do other projects..

I think the announcement wasn't made to the fans, until it was absolutely certain that thay had to go separate ways. (for a time)!

August 14th, 1996 - Slash played in Budapest, Hungary at the Pepsi Island festival. Teddy Andreadis played keyboards and sang.


Why would he play with Blues Ball in Budapest in 1995 if Snakepit was still together? They played the Monsters Of Rock in England in August 1995.





/jarmo

so the interview takes place at aug-sept 96 right before he leaves gnr
he leaves (i think) octobre novembre 96
so after budapest he came back to work on gnr, had this conversations-political-dinner .... with axl about the future of the band
it didn't work out (because axl = axl and he wanted to do it his way, and slash = slash and he didn't want to play with at that time out of spirit band with paul huge ...) and he leaves
after that he go out for a little tour with the bluesballband he played with in august in budapest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJDzHjOy0cI&feature=related

Here is a video from around that era... I think jarmo is right.  I got confused.  Monsters of Rock in 95, budapest with Blues Ball 96...

this is not bluesball but snakepit
and i doubt if it's in budapest

Still a good clip... As is this one....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJDzHjOy0cI&feature=related

its your own stupid fault that you let someone else's opinion effect your enjoyment of music.   how fucking retarded.  ::)

i discovered GnR in 1991, I was 11 years old.   just because i dont bow down and worship that overrated hack doesn't mean shit.

oh by the way, you are bashing people on this board who are actually in the band now.

If Slash is an "overrated" hack, what does that make Finck? 

very underrated.  not as well known. 

but seriously, go to a site for another band and ask opinions on your hero.    you will hear a lot of overrated.   just because the guy has a marketable look and became a brand dont mean shit.

I agree.. Shredders are very jealous of him.  They hate the fact they can play circles around him yet he gets all the fame and they never "made" it.  Nobody connects with them.  Their playing is sterile.  Other web sites also really hate Finck and mixed on Buckethead.  True Rock N Roll fans love Slash.  There is a lot of jealousy out there that Slash made it so big with out really bringing anything new to the table.  Some people like to call him a punk rocker or a sloppy player or whatever because his playing isn't filled with sweeping arpeggios and whammy abuse.  Must I go on? 

Who ever says at the present time that Slash is a washed up hack needs to get a reality check. As a matter of fact why don?t you name a guitar player who is more popular right now than Slash? Exactly! Therefore, how can he be washed up? I do not understand the argument behind that statement.

Slash is even more relevant these days than even Axl. I love Axl and he will be back when CD comes out but he has been out of the lime light for 14 years. Even when CD is released and Axl comes out you know he is going to be bombarded with Reunion questions and questions about him and Slash, because Slash gets it from the other end as well. Plus there is absolutely no chance no matter how great CD is and I do hope it is great and worth the wait. Still, it will never ever be more successful than any previous GNR album for the simple fact that the music industry has changed and they will not sell 10 million copies period. Therefore, there will always be that Stigma (at least by the popular media that the original GNR is better than the new GNR for the simple fact that they sold more records). I think that is not completely accurate or fair but that is what will be said and debated.

Even worse is when they compare the new members to the old. The media is going to have a field day with this. Have you heard a riff from the new material like the one in the intro to WTTJ, a solo like the one in SCOM? A drum beat like brownstone or YCBM. What about a base line like Its So Easy?  You think they are going to say Richard Fortus is a better guitar player than Slash. Please! Do you think as talented as BBF is that he is cooler than Slash with his foot guitar? You think they are going to say Frank is better than Steven or Matt. Never! Or that Tommy blows away Duff. Let?s be realistic.

I saw the new line up in 07 and as talented as they are they all fade away in the distance next to Axl. Whereas the originals where all unique individuals that you could not help to be drawn too naturally. The new members will not be respected by the media and will be criticized and compared to the originals for not capturing the essence of GNR which is a blues, rock, punk feel.

Fans will still go to concerts and they will sell records but never like before. This is truly terrible for the new members because they really do not deserve that after all the efforts after all these years.

Slash is everywhere these days. Slash achieved commercial success with VR, won a Grammy, is constantly playing and performing with world renown musicians, at different events, charities, award shows, and festivals, on their records, movie soundtracks, on the cover of video games, signature guitars and amps, you name it Slash is there. On the other hand Axl is finishing up CD and singing on Angel Down with Bach.

Not everything that Slash has touched since GNR has turned to gold, but Axl has only touched Angel Down in the 17 years which has been released. So I guess Axl is washed up, a has been, or a washed up hack. At least arguably speaking Axl would fit the definition a little more accurately than Slash would since Slash is all over the place these days.

I don't think Axl is washed up or a hack. As a matter of fact I think he is a fucking Bad Ass and so is Slash because of what they have achieved and contributed to music together along with a few other guys in the original line up. Whatever the new line up achieves is yet to be scene and is all speculation.

No disrespect to Buckethead, BBF, Richard, and Robin but they will never be able to hold Slash's Jock Strap. Bucket and BBF are shredders and play fast. Big deal so is Steve Vai and Joe Satriani! How many albums have Satriani and Vai sold? Who even knows who they are besides guitar aficionados and some hard core fans. The same goes for BBF and Buckethead. The only reason they are more popular now is because of GNR. Their music even their contributions in GNR will never attain the success and notoriety of anything that Slash has done, not because they are less talented or they suck but because new GNR will probably not even get the airplay that WTTJ, SCOM, NR, DC, PR got.

It has been 20 years since Appetite and fans and critics still praise the riffs and solos of WTTJ, SCOM, PR, not to mention NR, DC, Estranged, etc, etc, etc. Slash is total Package as a guitar player. He plays with feeling and emotion, he knows how to come up with creative and catchy riffs and emotional solos that may not be the fastest or most difficult to play but they always leave you wanting more, he has a stage presence like no other player I have scene, and he is a Guitar Icon plain and simple. 

Bucket and BBF are amazing players but their musical contributions are no where near Slash's regardless of their ability. Even the songs we have heard from the new line up are great songs, but are there any songs that have one of those awesome guitar intros or outros that resonate the moment it is played such as a WTTJ or SCOM? Or a solo that captivates the way Nightrain, SCOM, Its SO Easy, etc. does.

The new music is great because the arrangements sound good as a whole, but I still have not heard anything which I believe 20 years from now will be discussed as one of the greatest riffs or solos of all time. Even Madagascar which i think is going to be a great song does not have that awesome riff or solo like NR, DC, or Estranged. Perhaps this may change with the release of CD, but it yet to be seen.

Until then Slash is still the best and everyone else is just the rest.

he's very good at playing songs other people wrote for him

This kind post expanded what I was getting at earlier.....thankfully I didn't have to type it or think it up :hihi:
great work Hudson ;D

With the help of statements of JT (Izzy's bassplayer and engineer) and Duff, basically it's made clear that Izzy's Like A Dog album contains ideas that are the same ideas of that 2002 album. Here's what happened: Izzy brought with him the ideas in October 2002. They recorded those songs at Rumbo's (while at the same time Kelly Shaefer was at the rehearsel space waiting for his vocal audition). Slash has called it probably the best instrumental GN'R album, he also said Izzy sang the songs. In his bio there's a pic of the four of them in a rehearsel studio with a capture above it saying 'they might or might have nog been working on a song called 'Snafu'. Which is a track on Izzy's album describing the fucked up drug days in GN'R.

The guys ended up not using his stuff like we all know, but some ideas got thru like the intro riff of Do It For The Kids (same riff on Izzy's 'Bomb', they nicked it Duff said). Then Izzy bailed, now it's April 2003 and Izzy brought those same ideas on cassete (yeah they where in acoustic form ideas on cassette) to his solo band guys where they added their own ideas/arrangements and then it resulted in Like A Dog.

So basically listen to Izzy's Like A Dog and you'll have a good idea what an album of Izzy/Slash/Duff could sound like these days 8)

Will do!

SNAFU!  :rofl:  :rofl:

Izzy has been having it thing for titles like that lately.. Snafu (Situation normal, all fucked up) and also FSO Ragga (Fuck straight off ragga)  ;D

I bought like a dog off of izzy's fan site and loved it; the production/mixing could have been better; but I could definitly hear the old school GnR influence in some of the riffs; and with the GnR guys doing, could of really polished that off nicely

Even if a GNR fan can somehow critique Slash's playing (which is like being a practicing Jew/Christian/Muslim and doubting G-D at the same time), you cann't avert your eyes from his performing abilities or his personality and charisma.

He is in my opinion the most gifted guitar performer that there ever was. He was the Axl of guitar playing and together they created the greated front-man, guitarist onstage dynamics in rock history that has yet to be matched by any other tandem.

It sickens me how people can worship Axl alone without remembering who helped prop him up to fame and fortune.

MNW

How can one be a GNR fan and dismiss Slash? If GNR is a religion, Slash is a major holiday that deserves a day of worship even today with the new band. He has his riffs on 75% of the songs played in shows still and even when the new music is made, he'll have a 25%-50% influence on the way GNR shows sound.

MNW

^ I could not agree more with Marknroses has stated. You hit the nail on the head. One of the reasons that I believe so many people love Slash aside from his ability to play guitar is the energy, charisma, chemistry, personality, and presence that he brings on stage. It is hard to describe unless you have seen him perform, which most people on this board have seen at least via internet and youtube.

Slash  and Axl give off an attitude when they perform as Marknroses has stated that is also IMHO yet to be matched by anyone in rock history. I would argue no other frontman has equated the energy and attitude that Axl brings to the stage. That is why I enjoy watching Axl perform and beleive that he is no doubt the greatest lead singer ever. His voice, writing ability, stage presence, charisma, attitude, etc... he is the total package. Slash is also the total package, and when you put those two together itss fucking MAGIC!

I am sure there are fans of other bands or even critics that would argue that Axl is not the best lead singer and obviously this is a matter of opinion and not a fact. So it will always be up in the air as to who is the greatest guitarist/lead singer, whatever. Point is that it is undeniable what these two individuals created together and the performances that they had together.

I understand the arguments why people want to see, listen, and support  the new band, I actually think it is well deserved after all the work that they have put in. I can also understand as adults with different personalities, and even more as millionaires with money and ego why Slash and Axl may not have a reunion. However, I will never understand why people who say that they are GNR fans would never want to see Axl and Slash one day perform together again. That is like saying fuck the police they are better without Sting, or fuck Pink Floyd who needs Roger Waters, David Lee Roth is definitely better with his cover band... why would anyone actually want to see him with Eddy again... Eddy is so overated!

I mean even if you think that the new band blows away the old what is everyone so afraid of if the old members would do a tour after lets say one or two years after CD is released, promoted, and toured. What is the big problem with that. You could have the best of both worlds. Instead by your logic you would rather have these people continue to have this anger toward each other after all these years and basically take it to their grave. Why? Fuckin forgive, forget, and move one. It was all because of musical differences, its not like Slash had sex with Axl's sister or killed his dog.

I can't wait to see what CD sounds like when it gets released. But I will always keep my fingers crossed that the Axl and the origial members at least mend their friendship and hopefully see if one day we can all witness the magic of the original GNR and see them perform.