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From Entertainment Weekly issue #1001, 7/11/08:

WILL 'N SYNC SAY "HI, HI, HI" AT THE MTV VIDEO MUSIC AWARDS?

Michael Jackson,Guns N' Roses, U2, No Doubt, Eminem, Dr. Dre, and even Britney Spears-don't count anyone out for this year's MTV Video Music Awards. After a decade away from L.A., the telecast heads to Paramount Studios on Sept. 7, and folks are already trying to guess which performers will appear on the show. MTV Networks president Van Toffler will only say "we're talking to all of them", but one rumor in particular caught him off guard. Is 'N SYNC readying a reunion? "Wow", he replies. "I haven't heard that one".

Interesting.  Is that the issue with the Joker and Batman on the cover?  I'll have to give that a closer look.

Ali

wow a bunch of rumors being thrown around today and there all positive sounding. Hopefully most of these rumors or all of them are true and we get to a time and place where Chinese Democracy is gonna see the light of day  : ok:

Yes, it is. There isn't really much else to the article than that, though.

To: MTV
From: HTGTH
CC: Viacom, Everyone Else

Dear MTV, we want GNR.
 :beer:

I wonder if Mysteron will say anything about this, too?

I guess it would really be cool if they played it again, but maybe this time not to close the show.  When they did that last time it was great but vocally axl really wasn't anywhere near where he is now.  I don't think a medely like last time would be good either, perhaps a entire new song (excellent stage for playing Better) and a classic, PC or SCOM would be cool.  Hell, as with everything GNR world this is pure speculation virging on bullshit until pure unadulterated truth is brought upon us! : ok:

lol every year that rumour goes around!  :hihi:

Yeah, but it isn't every year that MTV actually confirms that they have talked to GN'R about the possibility of performing.

Ali

I'd like to see Michael Jackson, Guns N' Roses, and Dr. Dre. They're all set to release albums soon and they're all legendary. The rest I could really do without.

I don't think GNR have their touring band lineup 'in place' yet.

Don't we go through this year after year?  :no:

Yes, but MTV hasn't publicly stated that they're looking into getting GN'R to perform in years past...

I don't think you'd find out before MTV's producers either way...

MTV probably checks with GN'R almost every year. They don't need to announce it publicly because 9 out of 10 times it does not happen. Remember in 2002 when they admitted they had been talking and trying to get GN'R to perform in the 4 years prior?

That's not to spoil the party. I hope something happens...at least an appearance, but it's just too early to speculate. At this time there's probably a better chance of NIN and/or Metallica appearing.

I guess its that time of year again.  :rofl:  It would be great to see them live on tv again, so I hope it pans out... :smoking:

It's just that mtv is so un-metal/un-rock.  It seems that they would be more interested in Death Cab For Cutie or Avril, or Fall Out Boy, or Rhianna way more so than Gn'r, NIN or Metallica. Hate to say.

from what i've heard (all hearsay)...they are going after some big LA residents.  Beck, Madonna, RATM, Beastie Boys.  GNR is always a possibility.Dre is likely since Detox is apparentally finally being recorded for a fall release.

Are you sure you didn't see something from 6 yrs ago?!? 

If this actually comes about, it should hopefully answer the Robin 'question'...

They should perform!  Get the 2002 lineup back in place and it would be PERFECT!

Any web source for this?  ???


It'll be awesome, if it happens  : ok: : ok: : ok:

well... if they are "talking" to them... then it's a good sign.
usually, you dont even get a chance to try and talk to GNR.

Yeah.. I know. But don't get your hopes too high... then the dissapointment will be bigger.  :-\

the way i see it is, if it were to happen we wouldn't be hearing about it.

if we're hearing about this now it's because it ain't gonna happen.

besides, they need robin

Im suprised no one has seen this yet,


THIS IS WHAT AXL MEANT,

2008 VMAS IS ROUND 2!!!

VMA's START..........in September

 :hihi:

It would be cool if this does happen, if it doesn't then its another promo opportunity missed, and that'd be a shame....again.

i say look to the future and not the past.......

If they did the VMA's, which I don't have any expectations, then they'd have plenty of time to rehearse for one or two songs, which I'm sure they could make work just fine in Robin's absence.

strange logic. we heard about a tour and it happened. who knows.

I agree I don't think that this time around it would be a secret surprise perfomance with fake band names. If the Rock Band news is true than September would see the launch of a single as part of a hugely popular video game, which would then be followed up with this performance (or Vice a Versa)... It would be stupid in my opinion to hide them as a major performer and keep them off of the flood of ads that will start running late July early August...

We are the only people that instantly assume "Surprise Performance" at any show or event means Guns N' Roses... Let the world know...

well- NIN is done with the first leg Sat. 09-06-2008 In Inglewood which is basically L.A., No problem for Robin to be there on Sunday Sept. 7

I'm assuming he would have to rehearse with the band... He would probably need to be accesible for atleast a few days before the show.

NIN will be in South America in October, check out their website. Their tour will last longer than expected.

Yeah but there's nearly a month between the first and second legs...  NIN won't be playing the night of the VMA's, or for another 26 days after the VMA's. 

Aren't the VMA's mostly lip-synced?

What about Bucket stepping in for Robin? There's a thought to ponder.....

Holy cow.  Bucket and Bumble in the shred-off!  Seriously, how in the world could Bucket be relied upon to tour with GNR again?  I doubt it, but damn, anything's possible when it comes to GNR.

LOL, there is a small gap in B's fall tour right here -

 Saturday August 9, 2008
Summer Meltdown
Darrington, WA

Saturday September 13, 2008
Earthdance
Laytonville, CA

I'd love to see Bucket return for a couple of shows at the very least, but this is more wishful thinking. Nothing against Frank, but I would rather have Brain out with Guns.
It'd be heartbreaking not to see Brain again man.....such a good drummer....brings so much to GN'R.

Axl's not a pussy bitch that can't sing.

Doubt they'll show. Lacking Robin Finck and all.

The show is in November. Robis is touring with NIN until October...

that's right!!! axl mediocre performance at the 2002 Awards was horrible... and he took it like a man.

brian is a much better drummer than frank... i like his personality better too. frank just doesn't look right with the rest of the band... lol.

screw that... BRING JOSH FREESE BACK!!!!!!  : ok:

Doesn't look right? What about him doesn't look right?
What exactly does Brain do to "Look Right"?

he just is more hip-hop looking. he looks like he would play for Prince or the Black Eyed Peas or something. he doesn't have the same style as Richard or Stinson...

just saying. he dresses in baggy cloathes and wears baseball caps...

no dis to Frank... just prefer Brain... prefer Josh... but if not then it should be Steven on drums.  :hihi:

I'm glad you added the baggy clothes and baseball caps line, after the Hip Hop comment I thought the Richard and Stinson style you were looking for was "White"... Just kidding...

I really don't think his look is "Hip Hop", also I wouldn't use baseball caps as a disqualifier, Brain wears them all the time... To be honest I think Frank stands out, where as Brain just got lost in the backdrop of the stage. Also playing wise I always thought Brain sort of lost something on the heavier drum parts (You could be mine etc...). If they transition away from the old stuff, than Brain is perfect for Guns playing wise, but I feel when playing older songs Frank sounds better... just my personal opinion.

How about Izzy in a strictly rhythm role and Bumblefoot and Fortus take all the leads?

He's helped Axl/GN'R "in a pinch" before. :drool:

I have no idea where Axl and Izzy are with each other these days... but that would be a great "temporary" solution until Robin could get himself back IMHO.

The show is on September 7th not November.

yup.... september 7th.

**maybe this post won't get deleted**

After October theres world touring...Europe...Asia...Australia..whatever.

Anyway its in September

 ;D

I saw 7/11/08 and I mixed up the things .

I loved it, he hasn't opened WTTJ that good so far or ever. It's even better than the album-version :headbanger:

Would be cool to see them at VMA08 :peace:

Everyone has a bad fucking night. There were shows during the 2002 tour, that he sounded great with the voice he was using. At least the guy doesn't mask it like a phoney.

There's no reason why they couldn't perform at VMAs without Robin. Richard and Bumblefoot could take on guitar duties alone if needed. But if Robin does want to go back to GNR at some point in the future, he would be needed at a high profile event like that.

Like Axl never wore baggy cloathes. :hihi: Frank looks damn rockin to me. A lot more than Brain does.
Damn people with their narrowminded views.

Seems pretty simple to me... Is Robin a member of Guns N' Roses? If yes, than he leaves the NIN tour when GN'R/Axl needs him to be there. If no, than they warm up a tour replacement.

I fully back and understand side projects, but new management was brought in and they seem to have a more aggressive plan for marketing this new album than the prior regime did (at least it appears that way). If things are going to pick up in Sept, the band can't delay those plans because Robin is playing with NIN. If he wants to continue, he leaves NIN... Like I said, seems simple to me.

you brang up a very good point their,

People are thinking, If NIN are still touring around the time of vma's/other performances that gnr might want to play,
then theirs no chance of it happening seeing as how robins in NIN.

Whos to say, Robin wont come back to gnr to do some shows the second some activity starts happening in the gnr camp/touring etc...

How do we not know , Robin might just as quick dump NIN touring , to come back and help the launch of chinese democracy , which he has been working on for the past 10 years or so....

and they can play without an guitar or bass player

Chris has been a very good bassplayer. so why not set him up with a guitar...

yep he's subbed for Tommy.

3bs +1r, 3rs+1f, or 2rs+2bs, any chinese democracy lineup is more than  fine by me.  :peace: 10 is greater than 8 or 9.
Or I guess chris will do fine just for a TV show..isn't he said to be like the 4th guitarist?
incidentally rock band is published by mtv games.  :smoking:

That's if the band and the management  have got through with their game plans.

Yep..you got it right.

Considering Robin got a contract with Trent and just joined them, you won't be seeing him anytime soon in GNR. People doesn't get this little point about contracts and fulfilling your contract and so on. Naive people just think Robin jumps off NIN tour and everything there to go back to Axl when Axl wants him back because Chinese Democracy is coming. Ain't so at all.

It's simple and Robin ain't jumping off NIN.

True. But have you seen every clause in Robin's contract with NIN? Or his contract with GN'R (if currently in a contractual relationship with GN'R) for that matter? I sincerely doubt either is some "form" contract printed off the internet. In fact, I would be quite certain that this exact scenario is addressed specifically in one if not both of them. Robin's "obligation" will then be to conform his conduct to those clauses (and not some vague notion of "keeping up his end of the deal" or whatever). IMHO at worst... he (or perhaps even GN'R) pays a termination fee to Trent to get out of his NIN contract.... Expensive and a pain in the ass no doubt... but not IMPOSSIBLE.

I dunno bout that cause isn't this like the third time Robin's been back-n-forth between the two bands?  And I believe it's been established that "this exact scenario" kinda took everyone outside of NIN by surprise. 

Or maybe at this point GNR just doesn't want him back.


Edited to add something "on topic" cause I got confused between this thread and the other one.  :-[

When I read this in Entertainment Weekly, I didn't take it as anything more than just band names thrown out there as opposed to an actual "wish list" by the VMA people.

Not to derail the actual subject here and mimic another very large thread here, but...

This exact senario is what everyone was worried about when it was announced that Robin was touring with NIN. Also the fact that he is with NIN is what makes this so much different than any other side project. It is going to be tougher to just leave a major act like NIN/Trent Reznor hangin in the breeze just because GnR has started moving forward again.
In my mind that is what makes Robin's decsion so odd, what if everything falls into place while he is on the road with Trent? What then, does he expect Axl (GnR) to just wait... It's already been 8-9 years whats another few months... If this VMA rumor has any thread of truth than this must really chap Axl's ass that Robin did this. The band will have to get back together to rehearse so unless Robin leaves the NIN tour, I can't see him being at the VMA's. If I were Axl, and he wasn't at the VMA's becuase of another band's tour, he'd be replaced... Sure Pittman has filled in for Tommy (injury), and Frank filled in for Brain (Child Birth) although no sign of Brain for quite a while, but those were legit reasons. In my mind a NIN tour isn't a legit reason.

One thing that I have been thinking about over the past few days, the VMA's would be their first performance since the tour ended. I wonder if they would schedule a few one off shows to get some stage time. I would hate for a near repeat of 02' due to nerves etc...

Yeah but who say's their gonna play at the VMA's ? they named a couple of groups and artist, don't get your hopes up.

Fingers crossed :)

I said "the VMA's would be their first performance since the tour ended", meaning they may play the VMA's.

If everything falls perfectly that makes September a big month for Chinese Democracy, which in my mind points out what a bad spot Robin's tour puts them in. That's all.

If the MTV performance is the only gig they have on the horizon, why can't Chris just fill in for Robin?

Problem solved.

Because then you'd need someone to fill in Chris' part on synth/keys

They managed just fine at the Versace gig last year.

I'm sure they could pick a new song where Dizzy could handle Chris' parts.

plus,
if my memory serves me right chris even thought it wasn't necessary for him to be on the 2006 world tour before axl insisted.

Still it would be great if Guns n robin could appear at vmas.

I don't remember hearing that.


Yeah, that would be the best case scenario.

But if it just isn't possible, I'm sure alternatives could be looked into.

they can rehearse the songs in a few hours... 2, 3 tops...

robin and the rest of the boys don't need weeks to get ready for a VMA performance. they know the songs perfectly and are all superb musicians... none of them are amateurs or mediocre musicians.

robin can get off the bus the night before and be ready the day of the VMAs...

not saying that will happen... but worst case scenario, it's not the end of the world.

Then they'll need someone to fill in for Dizzy's parts.  ;)


WTF??  where did you get that from??  :confused:

You're just making shit up now, right?  :hihi:


From everything I've heard/read, Chris' "sound" plays a major part in GNR.  : ok:

Not really.

If Chris doesn't have alot of parts on a particular song, I'm sure Dizzy is more than capable of multitasking.

I hope they don't actually perform at VMAs... I'd love to see them perform live on TV, but not the VMAs. 
MTV has absolutely nothing to do w/ music anymore... I don't want to see GNR validate the VMAs by performing live.  2002 was exciting... but so much of the aftermath was bad press... "Axl's fat, his voice is blown", "They look like a circus", "Where's Slash?", "Who's the idiot w/ the bucket on his head"...

And as stupid as it sounds, hearing that shit actually gets to me and pisses me off because I know it's not true and I feel it necessary to defend the band as though it even makes a difference.

so, No the VMAs !!  :smoking:

Fair point. But it could very well have been the timing and actuality of it that took people by surprise. It doesn't mean that it took the written contract collecting dust somewhere "by surprise" though. I honestly cannot see how either party (Axl/GN'R or Trent/NIN) could sit down at any point over the last several years and negotiate an employment contract with Robin Finck in good faith and NOT address the fact that he has a substantial history of bouncing back and forth between the bands. I suppose there are plenty of bad lawyers out there though...

Ultimately there are termination fees and/or damage clauses that provide the avenue for exit. Of course it could cost Robin (or GN'R if they're willing to "finance" his return)... but I don't think this should be portrayed as even if he'd really want to be with GN'R he couldn't b/c he's 1,0000% obligated by law to play for NIN for the next 3 years or whatever...

I'm sure Dizzy is very capable too ... but I get the impression that GNR is more about the "synergy" of the band especially when presenting themselves on a major platform like the VMAs or on tour. 


I don't understand what you're saying in the part that I bolded (but I agree with the rest).  Are you saying that you think it IS probably addressed in his contract(s)?

Sorry. No. Just saying I would be surprised if it wasn't. I haven't seen the contracts either though...

Worst case is that he doesn't wanna be in GNR right now, he wanna play in NIN. He's with NIN now so Im led to believe he wanna play in NIN at the moment, and NOT GNR. If the contract doesn't stop him coming back, his own feelings and motivations will. He won't be back until he wants to come back...IF he wants to come back that is.

Agreed. IF he has no desire to return to GN'R (not sure we KNOW that to be the case)- then he won't. Works both ways too- IF he's in a contractual relationship with GN'R and violates it... then he'll either fork over a termination fee or pay a damages clause, etc. BUT Axl can't compel him to return to GNR any more than NIN can compel him to stay IMHO. All either party can do is make it expensive for him to do something contrary to their wishes. Slavery is long gone.

isn't azoff known for his skill in dealing with such issues?


I do. You should listen to french sometimes. ;)



Reproducing robin sounds is not easy I reckon but for a few songs it may not necessarily have to be on a real guitar. Chris has his synth and his sequencer. Otherwise, I wouldn't hate seeing  b-head and foot together for a change.

That said, I partly agree with burnz007. It would be nice as MTV publishes Rock band but I don't think VMAS is that crucial.

when chris said he wasnt necessary?

Chris said this in late 2000 when Axl asked him to be on the tour with them. He didn't say he was "unnecessary" per se but rather expressed surpirse that Axl thought he was needed in live performances.
I don't think he has been questioned or said it again since then.

Hold up

little off topic

but Ive been reading people talkin bout Robin signing a contract with NIN


If he signed a contract with NIN does that mean his contract with GNR has expired?

Been wondering the same thing myself.... I remember hearing back in the late 90's that the guys used to sign 2 year contracts with GN'R. If I'm not mistaken... when Finck determined that nothing really substantive was going to happen with GN'R at the expiration of his 1st contract (1997-99)... he bolted back to NIN the first time. Anyway, there's absolutely NO way to know this... but for the sake of argument... IF Axl was still using the "2 year" contract format and IF those contracts were most recently signed shortly before the Hammerstein shows in May 2006... they would have expired in the last 2 months...

Who knows though.... and w/o having seen the contracts... it's hard to know how significant that would be one way or the other anyway (i.e. perhaps Finck negotiated in a clause that allows him to go to NIN in dead times for GN'R with the GN'R contract suspended until he comes back- i.e. he receives no GN'R payment in the interim- but is required to come back when done with NIN to complete his term). Who the hell knows.... but an interesting question for sure...

 

Yeah but why pick now to go back to NIN?

Remember we were told Axl was negotiating contracts?

never really said "WHAT" contracts.

weird
because in all the years i have been here
i have never heard about a pitman interview

I think people may be looking too much into these contracts. They are adults, maybe they could go by their word. Maybe the situation went like this: Axl said there wouldn't be any activity until the fall, Robin keeps in contact with the NIN camp, he tells Axl in their downtime, he's gonna tour with NIN this summer while these "negotiations" are going on and that he'll be willing to help out when needed. Logistically, he'll be available to play at the VMA's. Ideally, they'll play the VMA's, announce the album either right before or after, release a single, have the album come out in late October/November, and start touring around March or so. They could surely gather everyone for one performance, get all of the promotion going, and by then, the NIN tour should be over. Say the album comes out in mid-to-late November, that gives them a couple of weeks to rehearse and get ready to do promotion (Leno, Letterman, Kimmel, etc.), leading up to the album release. Maybe they could a New Year's show somewhere, then tour the US from March to May, then the rest of the world...

Well... I wouldn't be surprised if Robin's decision (not the NIN announcement- but the actual decision) pre-dated Dr. Pepper, Axl's response to Dr. Pepper, GN'R's new management team, etc. Maybe he figured GN'R was dead in the water for the foreseeable future and that he could squeeze in 1.5 to 2 years with NIN in the interim.... only to be surprised by the recent developments in the GN'R camp. One has the sense now that the album is apparently done that Axl and management handle all the "day-to-day" business of GN'R and only reconvene the band for touring as needed.

All that being said... I'll try to get us back on topic...

I definitely think GN'R should play the VMA's and erase the poor to mediocre impression they seemed to have left (although I don't think that performance was THAT bad) at the 2002 Awards. I would love them to be confident enough to come out... ditch the "medley" of greatest hits... and just rock out with a kick ass complete performance of "Better".

Lets say the guns play at the VMAs, that Robin can't make it and that the band feel they really need three guitarists. Maybe they could consider getting a big, nay, HUGE named guitarist to guest spot for them. Would be an extra boost to the publicity and promotion factor of performing at such a big event and solves the problem. And I don't have a particular person in mind before anyone starts mentioning Slash, personally I think it'd be best to choose someone who hasn't really been associated with the band before  :D

In that case I'd give preferance to anyone associated with chinese democracy.
basically whoever the band like I'm easy tho.

I don't think he said that. ???

What he reportedly said is that he wasn't even supposed to play live but Axl was just like "man, you're coming and you're playing".

If you mean when he said this, that's in 2006.

he was under the impression that he wouldn't appear at shows because synth works are a bit different than other parts, I'd imagine.

I kinda doubt Chris said this in 2006 since he was in all the shows GNR did in 2001 & 2002.

leatherebel's late 2000 scenario seems to be a more likely timeline IF Chris did say anything along these lines.

Maybe in 2006 some mag just picked up on the old story to include in their show previews/reviews.

ask french that heard it from chris in person.

Well, if the Rock Band 2 rumor becomes fact, then it would seem likely that GN'R performs "Shackler's Revenge" at the VMA's....if they are committed to performing there, of course.

Sure they are going to play it. Then vegas for new years, then the super bowl! Then they will tour the new album which was handed in 365 days ago  because "summer is the best time to release it", NO! "the Christmas buying season is", then it will be 2009, repeat, 2010, repeat, 2011, etc, etc, etc. ;D

After reading alot of the posts on here I have to ask a question...you guys are aware that Guns N Roses does NOT revolve around Robin Finck right??

Why you say that?

You're right to an extent. With Fortus and Thal- Guns could add a competent live replacement and probably weather his departure decently.

That being said... my concern goes back to when Finck left the first time in 1999. According to Brian May, who came in and did some recording with Axl (Catcher In the Rye?) at that time, Axl was pretty devastated and distraught by Finck's departure. So at least at one time... Axl considered a Finck a pretty damn important member of the band. IF that holds today.... well.... it's a bit of an issue IMHO. Furthermore, Finck elevated his live performances and stage presence in 2006-07 and had become the "2nd guy" on stage next to Axl according to many reviewers/critics. That's somewhat significant as well... at least until Fortus or Thal demonstrate a capability to step it up and fill that role.

Finck is a key member. It would be bad if he leaves but is worse not to have a clear official word.

For me, a "Robin is Robin" or "Only Robin knows what he doing" is not enough...

I hope finck doesn't leave because that would really set things back in terms of touring,

btw, A little off topic, but is their any confirmed word as to whether brain is still in the band or not,
I dont want to make another thread, just wondering if he still is or not
cheers :beer:

Hasn't del said brain is in GNR family? and I believe brain said he'd be back when cd is out (and hes needed) in a fan interview.


exactly.  :beer: GNR does NOT revolve around some possessive FANS in net forums.
I want the band to be what the band wants to be.

Totally agree.  :beer:

What do you mean by possesive FANS in net forums?

Wasn't Plitt just pointing out that GN'R still goes on and is a happening thing even though Robin has gone to tour?

Many of these posters are just expressing that they want things to work out after the high of last year's tour.

My take on it is this:

Isn't NIN "managed" by Bach?
When GN'R are ready to tour again, Bach and co. may be back on board - we all want to hear Axl and Bach do those 3 songs off Angel Down...

donno about plitt and only a few posts said  VMAS appearence without robin would be impossible.

possessive fans are possessive enough to think GNR should revolve around them.

Yeh, the band should be what the band wants to be.


I don't think we've seen the last of Robin!

Shackler's Revenge at the VMA's....

:)

Given the announcement yesterday......it certainly seems like the timing would be right for the ball to start rolling, eh?

round 2:GN'R's 'revenge' to start at VMAS?

the game is published from mtv. ya I'm sorta repeating myself.

exciting time.  :love:

Certainly seems that way. However, as youngunner corrected me yesterday...that might make TOO much sense for a band as erratic as our beloved GN'R.

Logic would suggest...

- single debuted at VMAs
- single released to radio at time of RB2 release
- album release date announced in October for November
- album released in November (around time of wide release RB2) along with second single (and possibly more CD content on newer versions of RB2)


BTW...I second Mysteron's post yesterday about your use of MF  :hihi:  I've been reading this board far longer than I've been posting here and it's cool to see some of the original regulars not being able to contain their excitement (myself included)  :beer:

Thanks.  I HAVE been around here for a LONG time, I guess.

I came on when the '02 tour was starting....BEFORE my first kid was born.

She's almost 6, and I have 2 more to go along with her.

This announcement really struck a chord with me.  It just "feels right", ya know.....Even more "right" than Axl's past announcement about a release date.

This ranks up there with the '02 tour, and the Hammerstein shows, for me.....

I hear ya. I was engaged during the '02 tour...now I'm married with two kids myself. Here's hoping that third times the charm!

We are a big family really  8)

It is good to see the new fans, but there are alot of people who have actively followed Guns since the last album. Even those on the newsgroup. And it is good to see them active again, whether it be here or somewhere else.  8)

I posted that on another gnr forum lol....Great minds think alike :beer:

I even contacted some friends I hadnt seen since 93 to tell them about GNR new single lol.. its been a while im glad we are on the final run of this era, and ready to rock for the next era.. :beer:

No kidding...  In one sense it feels like yesterday when I first logged onto the internet in 1995 and searched for Guns N' Roses to find out what was going on with the band.  The only thing I could find was the Dust N' Bones mailing list.  If it wasn't for that mailing list and later Jarmo's message board I'm not sure if I'd still be as invested as I still am.  

As I hope this is the conclusion to a very long wait, I do wish the band, and particularly Axl best of luck with what's about to happen.  It's been a long time for everyone and as much as we all want new GNR material, I'm sure there's no one who wants GNR to succeed like Axl Rose and the band.  Whether we see the band at the VMAs this year or not, I'm sure the path taken is one of his/the band's own choosing, and to that, i say I hope it's everything they want it to be.

Cheers,

Andrew

well said, man  :peace:

Haven't seen this many people online since the 2006 leaks when you could hardly get a word in on these forums!

It would be very very very cool if this get a confirmation.

so have i missed something?

 :hihi:

I just noticed that the first leg of the NIN tour ends on Sept. 6 in California.  The VMA's are on Sept. 7 In California (The very next day).  Robin would have no problem playing with the band if they do indeed play the VMA's.

Would be killer to see Guns reload for the VMAs!!  :peace:

The annual VMA appearance rumor mill is in full swing early this year.   :peace:

If the band doesn't have time to polish their performance, I really don't want them to force it.

with the new song coming out, I can see them being there. Come on its going to be in the "JUNGLE" after all. : ok:

See GN'R on VMA would be fuckin' awesome.

World will rock again!

Very well said, I must say.

I've been following GnR since early 1987...when my uncle (who lived in LA at the time) sent me a bootleg of Live....Like a Suicide on casette (which, FYI, I STILL have kicking around).  I LOVED it...and I can't believe it's been over 20 years.

They came out to the east coast with Aerosmith, JUST before (well, actually, WHILE) Appetite broke HUGE.  I saw them at the Orange County Fairgrounds in New York in August of '88. I was 14.  That show was fucking sick....and that was it.  That show was the final straw.....and I've been hooked ever since.  Even during the "lean years" (before I knew anything of HTGTH) when info was sparse...Appetite, Lies, and UYI were always either IN my CD player, or near by so they could be popped in.

I think that's what makes all the recent stuff so sweet.....not only that it's happening, but that I also know (and can participate in) a community that gets just as excited as I do.  I feel like I'm hanging with my buddies back in high school, talking about the UYI albums and when would they FINALLY come out!?!  As much as we all bicker, argue, and pester each other some times......well, suffice to say, you said it best:

I'm a newer fan, been on the board since mid 2003 when I came across chinese democracy and proud of it. :D

When will MTV announce the band/artist?

dont matter, they most likely wouldnt announce GnR even if they were playing the show

This time they will. It doesnt make sense if they dont...

I'd like a four songs set: Shackler's Revenge, Better, Sweet child, Paradise City

If GNR do play I'd want them closing out the show. I'd prefer to hear the new song obviously and Better as well as 2 classics like the above poster stated.

Yeah. After all they're gonna want all the publicity they can get, if there's gonna be a release date this year. I'm not saying they'd need it, but it usually helps a bit anyway.  ;)

thats true but you know axl, always mysterious and sneaky

I still contend that even though there were problems in 2002, it's still one of the greatest performances ever.

The energy was incredible. Coupled with the benefits of a more experienced and a cohesive band a 2008 performance would slay.

I agree there's just something about that performance that always draws me in.

don't forget chinese democracy.

No "Sweet Child". Axl's never performed that song good in his life. Haha.

Who cares what they play, but I'd love to hear "Madagascar".

It's a TV show, not a GNR concert... I don't think they'll could perform a "long" set.... maybe The Blues instead of Scom

then cd instead of pc.

the reason is

Agreed. And I hope they do not do another medley.

How 'bout they take the stage to open the show (tick tock, Axl) without ANY introduction...just walk out and stand there and wait...let the audience build up get louder and louder until Axl yells "Do you know where the FUCK YOU ARE...WAKE UP...TIME TO DIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!..."

...and then launch into 'Shackler's Revenge!'

Just one or two songs would be great. A hard rocker and an epic ballad (aka Dream On or something) maybe.

Should open the show with Shackler, period.  That is their best move IMo.  But only if the public gets Shackler to listen to at least a few weeks before the show.  With Axl's, shall we say, "inconsistent" voice when he performs live (and don't hate me cause you all know what I mean), people would react better if they knew the song up front. 

Two songs Schacklers, Better should be played.  If they do Robin will be there.

doesnt robin need time to rehearse with them before the vma's?
and why would mtv want them to play a song that no one has heard yet?
isn't the point that SR is debuted in RB2 not on the vma's?
mtv and the vma's suck every year. why would gnr want to play at the vma's? mtv core audience is bubblegum girls and rap fans, not gnr fans or even hard rockers. i wouldn't  hold my breath to see them there.

Seems like a performance is quite possible.

I think it would be better if the band didn't close the show, though. Too much hype in '02, and a substandard performance, in my honest opinion.

Opening the show with a new song from the "long awaited Chinese Democracy" would create quite a buzz, before the boy bands and lip-synchers ruin it.

I agree the VMA's have gotten pretty lame over the years.  Maybe I'm just getting older but I don't think I even bothered watching any more than 3 minutes worth last year.  It was awful.  I don't know if it's quite as important, or cool, as it used to be.  Maybe Axl and GNR could change that, it would work for me at least.  I'll suffer through every minute of it if it's confirmed they'll be on, as painful as that might be.

The VMA's used to be the greatest music show of all time.  I was at the show in LA when Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and GNR played...it was amazing. 

Now the show is basically a reflection of what tween girls are downloading from itunes.  Last year, the best performer was the Foo fighters...and they didn't even get to come to the show.  They made them play in some hotel room off site.  Even Justin Timberlake bashed the show for being too bland.  Now that's just sad.

Yes, but it isn't just about the people that would watch the VMAs, it's also about the press coverage. If they have a strong performance the press would be all over it (much like they were over Britney's poor performance). The key is to have a strong performance, because the press would probably rather write something negative than positive (negativity always sells), but they'll write something either way being that it's GN'R and the kick-off to Chinese Democracy (presumably, this time).

I think a medley, at this point in time, would be redundant. They need to focus on 'Shackler' or whatever the first single is, and put all their energy and focus on the one song and kick it's ass. It would be a disaster to play any more older material. It's been done. It's over with. They've been played a million times, let this band and the new material take the spotlight. And it needs to be a HUGE production. Lots of lights and pyro and a big stage show. They need to make this a must-see event...

any update on this situation Mysteron :peace:

I know nothing right now

I don't think it's necessary for GN'R to perform at the VMA's anymore.  The show is pathetic, and GN'R would bring much underserved attention to MTV.  MTV is lame, they'll get Britney again who can just move and not sing, they don't derserve to have Axl and the band play they're asses off for them.

Well, keep in mind that Metallica's new album is due out in September. What if they performed at the VMA's to promote a new song? The timing would be perfect.

Not saying that WILL happen, but the VMA's tend to be the highest rated MTV program every year. It's a great opportunity for musical acts of all styles to get noticed from it. Certainly both Guns and Metallica, after their bomb that was "St. Anger", could benefit from performing at the VMA's.

The questions is, for how long can the VMAs keep getting worse and worse?

They've gotta bounce back some year right?




/jarmo

I'm all for the VMA's.  the show itself sucks, but you can't beat the exposure.

You would think so.  Thus far, history has proven you wrong.  I still remember Axl strutting out to sing "Free Falling" with Tom Petty to close the VMA's...those were the days.   

Unless they send GN'R to the Olympics....


Ron sure can run. Give him a sip of Mimosa for "motivation". ;)



/jarmo

I agree about the exposure thing, but they've only sucked since 2004. The shows before that were quite good.
With rumored acts like Michael Jackson, Dr. Dre, and (saved the best for last) Guns N' Roses for 1 show, it's looking like the 2008 edition will redeem the show.

Get Guns N' Roses, we're amazingly happy. Get Dr. Dre, rap/hip-hop fans are happy, get Michael Jackson, pop fans are happy. Get all three and you got the best show in the last 20 years.


P.S. Send Fortus for the running portions and Pitman to make some performance-enhancing margaritas!  :hihi:

Yes and what better way to bounce back than with GNR? I loved the 02 performance,I remember screaming out the window and bouncing off chairs. I think a medly is too much, just hit them with Revenge!!! What was everyones beef with 02? It's R N R not the Ballet.Jarmo, how did you like 02? Was Axl tired like flown in from somewhere?

PLEASE IRV PLEASE!!!  HAVE MERCY ON US!!! DON'T LET GNR PLAY THE VMAs!!!  :crying:
 
As great as it would be to see GNR do anything, it's just not worth the other 2+ hours of the other shit we'd have to sit through!!!!  :no:

The thing is, is that it's just  not entertaining to watch.  The host's are almost robotic, the jokes are predictible, it's still rap and r/b driven.  I think GNR doing a set like GreenDay on VH1 a few years ago to promote American Idiot, would be better.  Now MTV is a house hold name, and the exposure would make sense, but my thing is this, its that MTV isn't promoting good rock and roll music, they rather promote more rap and r/b.  I mean come on, how many times are they going to show the pussycat dolls, granted they're hot, but the music sucks !  When they had Coldplay open the movie awards, it was like the people didnt know how to respond to the music.   The people at the award show and watching arent watching to see GNR, theyre more interested if Eminem makes a comeback or Rihanna performing.  All I'm saying is MTV isnt about good rock and roll anymore, they more about shitty rap and r/b.  If GNR goes on the show, it gives MTV more exposure.  Sure GNR is seen on MTV, but if its not for GNR then it doesnt help.  I know that sounds confusing.

they played london the monday after leeds and i think they played in another european country in that time between. 3 days after london they played the VMA's

I watched the 02 medley, and really dont see what everyones problem was, even if axl wasnt 100 percent, it wasnt bad at all, the band played with a ton of energy

the band played fucking awesome.    Axl was in top form during Madagascar.    it wasn't his best performance but it wasn't a disaster by any measures, even Axl says it was.  :hihi:

I agree, Madagascar was great during that medley.  Jungle was a bit messy and Axl messed up some of the lyrics aside from being winded.  But he was running around like a maniac and they cut the song down so that's somewhat excusable.  Paradise City wasn't as good as Maddy, but better than Jungle.  Agreed though, they played with so much energy that that overshadows any flaws within the performance as far as I'm concerned.

I completely agree, I mean damn it was fuckng GUNS N ROSES< that place exploded when they came on, and sure there were some flaws, but damn, it was how many yrs before Axl and the band were in front of a world wide audience, I think it was more over adrenaline, than anything, as I still love that performance.

I luv watchin Brain handing out the lessons in that medley - awesome stuff !!!

For a while there I honestly thought that I was the only one who actually likes the 02 performance!  :beer:

No.

I think a lot of GN'R fans enjoyed it.



/jarmo

even though it was only a short version,

Axl hasnt sound better on madagascar to date, then he did at the vma's
and that includes how he did in 06/07, his high pitched voice fits perfectly for that song

I enjoyed the fuck out of it!  Can you have imagine working that and seeing the GNR equipment arriving?  No way Axl would have walked in there for rehearsals to a quiet house with me in the room.  I would have had to start clapping.

And when they came on, the whole place came out of their chairs.  What I really remember of that night was thinking, Oh my god it's Axl for real.  On line the boards exploded.  It was a great time to be a GNR fan.

I think alot of people had trouble accepting the look of the band, meaning Finck looking all gothic, Buckethead looking like Buckethead, Tommy's plaid suit, and of course Axl in an oversized jersey and dreads.  I had not problem with, it was kind of like seeing Michael Jordan wear #45. 

when I checked the clip with my own eyes I didn't get the horrible comments I saw in fan forums. Other than a few seconds, like right after the ban scream, where there seemed to be a problem with axls earpiece or something, the performances were great and energetic. 

It seems that altho shocked, most fans actually liked it. However every now and then some people bring up their negative opinion on the show as if it was public consensus. The same is true with OMG, or the 2002 vocals/look.

I fell asleep watching the VMAs and woke up to GN'R playing and I honestly wasn't sure if I was dreaming because at that time I had no idea they might play that night.  It was amazing.

I agree with GNR - NOW on this - that costume was absolutely awful.  >:(

No it wasn't awful.  >:(


How did you manage to wake up on time?  :o

The loud monotonous scream at the beginning of WTTJ perhaps?

I loved the 02 VMA performance. It was before I started coming on the forums so I had no idea they were gonna be there. Every time Jimmy Fallon said something close to being a "GNR comment" I got more and more excited. Then when the band came on I went nuts! I was literally yelling and screaming at the tv.  :peace:

cb I'll most likely act exactly the same if I see GNR at VMAs this year. Its sorta  like when my team scores a goal.


guess he heard someone saying 'wake up it's time to die!' in his dream.

I don't think people took issue with the sound. I've listened to the soundboards and there are flaws on both Jungle and Paradise City, but for the most part it's a mesmerizing performance.

The issue in my estimation was that the band didn't look, well, like a band. One criticism of the new lineup has been that they were just a bunch of "hired guns" and while some of us saw through the surface, others didn't. The problem seemed to me like it was that the band lacked a cohesive image.

Axl was in leather pants and a jersey which fit well with Bucket, but Robin was really goth, Tommy was decked out in punk garb, and Brain was in cargo shorts. It just didn't look like a band. While I contest that they sounded like one, both at the VMAs and on tour, it's something that most people can't get over.

But GN'R in 2006/2007 both looked and sounded incredible. Put that out at the VMAs this time around and they'll lick your hand and call your mommy.

I'd say the look of the 2002 band was incredible and that of 2006/7 was credible, cool and normal.  :P

I think it was more like non credible.  :P

The way he opened wttj that night was amazing, you will look long before finding a live-recording where it's better.

He looked great imo, I wear all kinds of clothes. Dress with ties, hiphop'ish, rock-based, academic etc...
anything goes as long as it looks good :peace:

I LOVE that scream.... absolutely fuck'ntastic.... first time it "schoked" me

I'm with you.  I remember Fallon teasing the audience about the "mystery" closer, and then saying just before going to commercial to "have a little patience."  I literally flew up out of bed and yelled out "NO-FUCKING-WAY!"  and started pacing the room and setting up every recording device I had in the house.  I literally couldn't believe what was happening.   Although I wasn't thrilled with the...disjointed look the band had as a whole, I was in awe of seeing Tommy onstage with Axl, watching Buckethead "do his job" (as Fallon said afterword), and *finally* seeing Guns take center stage in the public consciousness again.   My heroes had returned, and it was amazing.

Not as amazing as being at that first Hammerstein show years later, mind you, but pretty great nonetheless.    :beer:

Me too, a very exciting moment.

Bring Fallon back just to introduce GN'R. Even though I'm not his biggest fan, he certainly knows how to host an awards show and introduct the greatest band in the world.  :D

He is a serious fan of the band.  Obviously, because he was at the Hammerstein shows.

God, I was so excited when they hit the stage in 02, then getting to see them shortly after that at MSG was amazing.

I'd just seen the band in London a few days earlier. Then on a whim, after reading the rumors, stayed up to watch the VMAs.  It was pretty intense at 4am or whatever time it was to see GN'R live on TV.

I wasn't active on the boards back then so I didn't know of the rumors.  I actually watched the show up close to the end and I think I even heard them announce something special was coming up, but I made the mistake of thinking it wouldn't be that big a deal.  I went to bed and didn't get to see it live.  I found out about it the next day and felt like punching myself in the face.  I watched the replays repeatedly that weekend though to try and make up for it.

As much as it'd be cool to be totally surprised by a performance I hope someone eventually says yay or nay on this rumor. The hype is huge already and it's only July!

I think a surprise performance would be a little more difficult to pull off these days.  I think we should probably know ahead of time.  When do they start announcing performers anyway?  Gotta be pretty soon I would think, next month probably?

After watching the ESPYs last night, Justin Timberlake made a case for host of the VMAs.

I though he did really well. He took some risks, was very animated, and tried to entertain and fire up the crowd.

Yeah I hate to admit it, he didn't do too bad a job.  I so wanted him to fail miserably, but he pulled it off pretty well.

Back to Jimmy Fallon though for a second.  I have a tough time envisioning Axl and the guys going on The Tonight Show or Letterman to promote the album.  Not saying it can't/won't happen, I just can't see it, you know what I'm saying?  Anyway, when Leno's contract runs out Conan is supposed to take over the Tonight Show and Jimmy Fallon is supposed to slip into Conan's time slot.  Fallon being such a big GNR fan, you'd know he be stoked to get GNR on his show.  Now that is something I can see happening. 

Ditto Faldor, but lets hope it's to promote a Europe tour or something and not the album as Fallon won't be on until quite late in 2009.

Yeah, let's hope Axl's not waiting for Fallon to get that job to release the beast.  I'd love to see them on that show, maybe the premiere, maybe GNR will be back on top of the world by then and Fallon will devote the entire show to GNR.

I'm guessing they might open the show...hopefully MTV will let them close again but I don't think "The Frogs" band name is going to work this time..

Pink blew it anyway. If you were listening closely, you would have caught on.

And open the show? Hell no. I doubt a big act like GN'R would open a show. Mid-card, maybe. It depends on the other acts. Especially if they're going tell if "soon is the word" there.

They could debut Shaklers Revenge ;D

maybe we can get another interview after the show.and axl will let on something.

If they go on on the VMAs this year and then don't release the album, what are the odds they'd go on again?

why are people shitting themselves over N'sync?


people ought to be shitting themselves like we are over CHINESE DEMOCRACY :headbanger:

the jonas brothers are the first confirmed performer...if thats a hint of what is to come...it may be a long wait.

mtv is going to reveal a new performer every friday night leading up to the show.

Yep, that must have been it  : ok:

I remember I fully woke up half way into WTTJ.  Surely nothing else that night was going to grab my attention. 

Any surprise or announced performance this year has to come with an announced or very soon to be announced release date in order for people to finally take GN'R and CD seriously. 

Even though I loved the 2002 performance, I think Axl has said that he did not.  So I'm wondering why this management team would even consider repeating a band promotion (that the other management thought up) that even the band themselves seemed to be unhappy with?



oh ... umm ... whoopie? ... the jonas brothers ... now that's worth sitting thru 2+ hours for  :-\

What about using a short film/music video to introduce the public to CD and/or 'Shackler's Revenge' during the VMAs? Would give GN'R complete control over the 'performance' aspect of it as it would be produced in advance. Another idea would be to perform via satellite somewhere else (perhaps some place like the Grand Canyon or Statue of Liberty or something iconic like that). That would cut down on all that 'traffic' Axl hit on his way to the stage last time.

Just ideas. Personally, I would hope the band would not shy away from performing live on the VMAs again. True...Axl can certainly have a bad night every so often, but even his bad nights are magical. No reason to puss out on the thing you do best...even if 10 million are watching and waiting for you to screw it up.

why should they? I believe Axl referred the appearance  on the 2002  Vmas as disastrous because it wasn't well prepared.

I like your ideas. both the SR video debut one and the satellite relay one.  : ok:

I bet they give them a Lifetime Achievement Award...or have they already done that?

I dont think they'd award that to the entire band, especially given there hasn't been much "Achievement" with the current GNR through the eyes of the general public.

I think they will hold off until the album(s) come out.   

Good choice I think. He's pretty edgy and quite funny. Should bring something fresh to the show.

Sorry... I LOVE the new band as much as anybody... but the idea that they would ever go up on stage and accept an award that TO DATE would have been entirely earned by the old band is nauseating.... and a terrible blow to the new band's credibility as well. Fortunately, I can't imagine a guy like Tommy Stinson ever agreeing to something like that...

They already have a lifetime achievement award.  MTV gave them a Vanguard in 1992.

a friend of mine is a big  fan of him. She thinks he's always spot on but I disagree.. maybe it was Russell Grant. :P


interesting. 2006 vmas was hosted by Jack black and axl made an appearence.
 

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00373/russell_brand_280_373293a.jpg)

That's Russell Brand. Kinda looks like Robert Smith, only goofier.

I'd never heard of this guy until this. Someone at another forum posted some YouTube clips of his stand up and I thought it was pretty good actually. Here's hoping that with a edgy host, a possible GNR performance and the hope of a good 25th anniversary show, it's all entertaining for once.

mmm I don't think so....
If anyone's interested, this is his official page. http://www.russellbrand.tv/

That dude is fuckin hilarious. A little wierd and a bit out there sometimes but fuckin hilarious.  :smoking:

Na...  Looks like Jack Black minus 50 pounds though......

If you're a Russell Brand newb, I suggest you check out his interview on David Letterman and an interview with Will Ferrel.

Funny, funny stuff.

Link?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQlvqWW3tGc
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRIIGSvjrMw

definitely funny guy!

I'm a big fan of ol' Russ - he'll definitely liven things up.  ;D

the guys a knob.  he talks nonsense an he aint even funny

As previously started I'd never heard of the guy until someone posted some YouTube video. I found his stand up to be pretty funny.

I'm a big fan or Russell Brand, glad to see he's the host.  :peace:

Since apparently they have an open invitation, GN'R would perform at the VMAs only if Axl and Management want to. The host is irrelevant.

hahaha, just watched that second link

and the guy is extremely funny, and Im sure if gnr were to perform he would create an awsome segway into their performance,
the man is a bubbling excited cringy bastard

Russell Brand rules i'm so glad he is finally getting somewhere with his career in America (it makes good radio anyway)  Anyone in the uk or anyone who is interested check out his BBC Radio 2 radio show (there is a podcast as well) never fails to make me laugh.

and anyone outside of uk can check it at his official page as well. click lovely stuff -> click podcast.

if GNR is appearing, your 2 hours of waiting for GNR won't be all so bloody torturous. That's if you like Russel Brand.

Good shout Cylann! The guy is very and funny and extremely intelligent. He will most definetely liven things up, providing he is given a free rein!!

Mike

Russ will definitely make for some interesting viewing, he can be a tad controversial at times  :hihi:

it's time for me to play mod now..
 :hihi:

last couple of pages has been a tribute to this russ guy hosting.. let's get back on topic and go to the jungle for more talking 'bout him shall we?

But why? What else is there talk about in this thread unless someone comes along and confirms GN'R to be there?

We've discussed possible setlists, etc. It still pertains to the show... it's not apples and oranges. It's like talking about a slice of the apple since the tasty part of the apple isn't confirmed yet.

It's not a good reason to go off-topic. If you have no more to discuss on topic, just stop to write in this thread, till something new happen.

I does not matter who the host is, the show will suck regardless like it has for the last several years with the exception of GNR if they play.

Any chance to see NIN and GN'R together at VMA's? That could be awesome

Where would  you be able to get tickets to the vma cause im going to la from the 3 till the12 of september.

because when i enter the GNR section i wanna read stuff about GNR and such..

if i see there's a new post in this thread i want it to be something concerning GNR at the VMAs, not some random poster saying "yeah russel's a funny guy"

My suggestion, at this point, would be stubhub.com or ticketnetwork.com  But any good sized on line ticket broker will probably have something.

I don't think you can buy them direct at this point.   

FYI, the prices I've seen range from $2000 to $5000 a ticket.

Russell's a funny guy, he mentioned Slash in his new podcast today.

There ya go  :D

Lil Wayne is the newest performer announced.

yeah because he is trying to come up with an idea to use slash in an advert for the VMA's to go along with Miss Spears teaching him how to dance :)

08/14/2008

(antiMusic) There is a rumor swirling around that Kid Rock will team up with Britney Spears for a performance at this year's MTV VMAs ceremony.

"No! What?! Right. I can give you a definite no on that. In one word: No. In two words, hell, no!," Rock said on Ryan Seacrest's Los Angeles based radio show Wednesday.

Obviously our headline was a joke but maybe Rock doth protest too much? Maybe he and Tommy Lee can line-up a boxing match at the after party? That would be far more entertaining than anything at the VMAs (unless the rumor of a Guns N' Roses appearance to hype their new song in the Rock Band game pans out.)

http://www.antimusic.com/news/08/aug/14Kid_Rock_on_the_Fence_About_Britney_Collaboration.shtml

Never say never

Kid Rock is the newest official performer.

sorry but you are wrong about Brain. Have you seen both Brain and Frank live? If you did then you would agree Frank is better for the band for many many reasons.

It's nice to see the rumor still has legs.

Unless we get a definitive "no" from the Guns camp, the more likely I think it's gonna happen.

I hope they play the VMA's. I hope if they do, it goes alot better than last time! And i hope they don't do some medley crap either.

Not to turn this into a Dead Horse thing, but I wonder if the Kid Rock-Spears rumor was a case of some mis-information... Spears supposedly filmed a bit with the host... Slash also filmed a bit with the host... maybe it is Kid Rock and Slash perfoming?

Could Kid Rock be the new front of VR, and this is the official coming out party?

no fkn way, it's the wrong section, it's not going to happen and kid rock will play all summer long

I seriously doubt GN'R is going to play.  Robin is touring, and they're not going to perform a one song without him.  Think about the CokeFest in South Africa when Tommy broke his hand.  They could've still played two shows with Pittman on bass, but they didn't.  So I think if they want to make it a true Guns performance on national TV, they will have their whole band there.

Robin is free on Sept. 7th

but what im saying is, he hasnt been rehearsing, even if GNR is rehearsing, to just show up and play a new song is a bit too much to ask.  the new songs are complicated, and must be rehearsed, look how much better was played during the end of 06 as to the beginning of the tour.

While I respect that opinion, I highly doubt the casual viewer at home would see the performance and wonder where Robin was.  As long as they found a suitable replacement (IF he can't or doesn't want to be there) they'd be fine.

i think there will be no gnr at the vma's!

How many of you would shit yourselves if they not only play the VMA's, but when the curtain drops Buckethead was there instead of Robin?  I know i would.

buckethead's role in the band and robin's role in the band are two completely different parts.   I couldn't see one replacing the other.

Here's a question...does anyone know if Shackler's Revenge features Buckethead or Robin? 

If I remember correctly, Axl mentioned that some Buckethead material would be on the new album.

I guess there will be 4 guitarists on some songs :headbanger: :drool:

GNR shouldnt do a medley like last time and only play new songs

we are talking like its actually confirmed for the vmas,


is their any rumours as of yet on any sites even suggesting this?

VMAS would be the perfect stand point for GNR as not only would the public get to hear the new material, it would also get the crowd excited for Shacklers Revenge and Chinese Democracy. Rock Band 2 is associated with MTV so it could happen

Not ruling out 08, but 09 for sure. CD is coming and it will be a lot of GunsN'Roses out there in the upcoming years :beer:

is robin gonna be available for the VMAs?  If he's still in the band, and if he's not gonna be available, I don't think it'll look to good one of their lead guitarists isn't gonna be at one of their big moments debuting a new song that'll be on a video game owned by the company whose stage they are peforming on :-\

The nin tour ends on September 6th a day before the vma. I can see him rehearsing some songs before the show with the band

tough but possible depending on where NIN is playing and what their schedule is leading up to it

The last show of the first leg for NIN is September 6th at the Forum in Los Angeles and they are in Oakland the night before.  The VMA's are on the 7th.  Are they in NY or LA this year?

In LA.

He would need quite a quick turn around to pull off an effective performance. Not impossible but not probable. Much like Hillary's chances at VP.  :P

no gnr this year at the vma's! sorry but is true!  :'(

Source?

I don't buy it unless it comes from Mysteron.

and.... you're MTV CEO, right?

I'd rather put a KFC bucket full of shit on my head .. then have buckethead replace Robin Finck.  It isn't gonna happen.

That's so nasty.  I for one one would totally shit myself if GNR played the show with Bucket.  He's a big piece of the Chinese puzzle and I hope he and Axl can make up.  I know they love each other deep down.   :love:

Since I know him and I know what he is talking about I believe him. But I was hoping they would play at the VMAs. Very sad.   :'(

Nobody ever was sure if GNR would be performing at VMAs or not in the first place..

But probably better not to post definitive statements unless you can verify a source, or a senior member of this board has verified it..

MTV is announcing a new performer every Friday up until the airing of the show.  So, there are still a few artists left to announce.

I think the only confirmed performers are Jonas Brothers, Kid Rock, and Lil wayne.

not this rumor again  ::)

It seems this time every year spawns a new version of this same rumor.


I cant wait til the "How many Tuesdays left" rumor/thread.  :confused:

There are 19... :hihi:

Wouldn't you just love for management to post a statement like:

Out of concern for our fans, GNR would like to announce that THERE WILL BE NO ANNOUNCEMENTS/APPEARANCE BY GNR ON THE UPCOMING VMAs.  We will not be party to the hours upon hours of torture that has become the VMAs and refuse to subject our fans to have to endure such pain and suffering in hopes of a GNR appearance or announcement of some kind.

 :hihi:



But unfortunately, that's not gonna happen and we're gonna have to sit through that shit "just in case"  :-\

good post there did you forget to say something?  :hihi:

he did say something.  he just typed inside the original quote

Sorry about that  :hihi: little typo.  I say 50/50 they perform.

Not only do I think it WILL happen, I fully expect it.

GN'R put "Shackler's Revenge" on Rock Band 2 so the band could be exposed to a younger audience. Performing at the VMA's not only would expose the band to the younger crowd in attendance, but also to a worldwide audience of them.

Secondly, this is not the same Guns N' Roses that misfired at the VMA's in 2002. The album wasn't done, and the management team then is not the same team that's in place now. This is the opportunity for a polished Guns N' Roses to knock the boy bands and all the other one hit wonders on their collective asses.

Maybe it will be another unannounced appearance as in '02, but I just don't see GN'R bypassing this show without making some kind of impact.

You know even if they don't play, GNR should be included in the VMAs somehow, in a promo spot, presenting an award or just some way to have them in there and allow for a chance to get them interviewed after the show hah

If there is no reason for Axl to be there I think some of the other guys should be there to 'represent' GNR. Even if it's just Frank and Ron.

They announced 3 more performers:  Rhinana, T.I., and Pink...so far shaping up to be another lackluster VMAs.

Actually that would be kinda fun, since many people still don't recognise them as members of gnr!

ditto to Jada. Ron and franc would be fun. + Chris? fat chance tho.

Yep because of the Rock band thing this year is not like other years.
THis Vmas still stands a fair chance to have GNR.

No true rockers yet.

Not to get off topic, but Metallica's new CD comes out on Sept. 12th, five days after the VMA's. It would be pretty cool if they showed up. Maybe they and GN'R could bookend the VMA's, so we can just watch at the beginning and end of the show, and not have to be tortured with all the shit in between :)

Exactly, giving them a chance to get recognition also.

But I just suggested Ron and Frank as a minimum. It'd be even better if more of them could go, especially Tommy since apart from Robin he is the other long term member.

quick question....

Is it possible a second time 'round that a GNR performance could be kept a secret up until they actually perform the night
of the vma's?

is that possible a second time?

Does anyone have an extra ticket/pass for the VMAs?

2-3000 a ticket...

gud luck : ok:

They could possibly choose not to be part of a rehearsal scheduled by MTV, rather the whole band rehearse elsewhere and on the day of the show they can get crew to just do sound levels and go for it.. maybe?

And I doubt Axl would want to be at the venue any earlier than he is meant to if there are no other commitments.. So the band could be there and Axl turn up minutes before they are due onstage and really catch everyone off guard

People in MTV would need to be aware of this obvoiusly so they'd need to keep it under tight wraps only for whoever 'needs' to know as part of their job, or book them in under an assumed name..

Roses and Guns! oh yeah great secret name : ok:

as I was reading that,
my heart started racing fast...
It all sounds too good to be true... I hope to god they do play at the vmas

it would just be so much full of excitement ...
"crosses fingers and sits down to evade heart attack"

I don't think they're gonna play at this year's vmas, but how cool would it be if they did!

I think we need Mysteron.  ;)

We don't need Mysteron to confirm every rumor that pops up on unknown reports.  It's highly unlikely they'll play with they're lead guitarist who has a heavy presence in the new songs on tour with another band.

Yep.  don't spoil the thrill for ben and gunns.

i can feel it ...
gnr will be at the vmas...

I have a good sense for these kinda things :P

^^Well they're winning the poll anyway... ;)

http://idolator.com/400728/will-the-vmas-surprise-finale-be-all-that-surprising

I'm afraid to get my hopes up.. and even more afraid that I'll still end up sitting through all that garbage with the tv on mute and waste a perfectly good evening

well I see one point...


gnr is WAY up in that poll, it would be bummer if they didnt perform there... I think that poll although prob due to a lot of gnr fans... GNR is still a band people love to hear and see after all the break up's and get together with new members and been away for so long to people outside the gnr community

agreed. I didn't know of the poll till I saw funky's post here. ;)

) Britney Spears                   
) Guns N Roses
) Britney Spears With Guns N' Roses
) Britney Spears With Guns N' Roses And Tom Petty

Tough to decide? :hihi:

anyhoo, I seem not to be able to vote there. ???

I don't understand the Ben and Guns thing....does this mean that there really is someone with a name like that, that is going to perform?  I'm over here getting hyped up thinking something might actually happen!

The people want Guns N' Roses

Hey, I'm not expecting they will turn up at all. I'm just suggesting possibilities IF they were going to and how they could keep it under wraps.

Of course I'll be very happy if they did play VMA, but I'm not waiting for it. We'll see though..

The same thing could happen like with the 02 VMAS them being very top secret and being called a different band name

That's what I was asking?  Is somone going by the Bens and Roses name or whatever, or was that just an assumption?  I WANT GN'R THERE!

Wasn't that just someone here telling others not to ruin the fun for me and the other user gunns1 by killing the VMA rumour?

yeh... dont ruin it for us please..
I believe they will play, and dammit! they will.

Be cool if they just aired a video for Shackers!  :peace:

Nay. If they do, we will heat up further. :peace:

Or alternatively, by revealing the surprise now? You two seemed very much into the possible surprise appearance.

Would be great if we see GNR at Vmas.  if not, enjoy your Tokio Hotel  :P, still cool
for we all know guns n roses will get revenge on Rock band 2 in like less than a week after that.


Gunns N Ben. They are future legends (at HTGTH).

If there's no hint to GNR I can assure you I wouldn't give the show any of my time. There hasn't been a new band I've been interested in for the last 4 or 5 years really.

Anyway, we'll wait and see. I'd be happy to see any sort of promo spot, even just an ad for GNR being in the game.

I wonder where Entertainment Weekly got there info...themselves maybe?  I really want this to be true.

Well Obviously it will be a surprise performance if it does happen since no offical annoucement from MTV or GnR themselves.  I wouldn't rule it out though I mean GnR did squash the reality show rumor on their site, well they haven't really said anything about it so who knows.

Mysteron, please say something :hihi:

Yeah could you at least say its a possibility Mysteron..give us some kind of clue!

cmon mysteron,
give us some good news about all ths bad news with the leaks...

I remember back in maybe '89 I watched the whole damn show because there was supposed to be a surprise performer, who I just knew was going to be GN'R.  Watched all the way till the last commercial break and then gave up cause the rest of the show was lame and I had school in the morning.  Man was I pissed the next day when I heard Axl performed Free Fallin' with Tom Petty. 

Guess my point is, we'll have to watch to find out.  At least now we have Tivo!!!

I think we need some sort of signal for mysteron, like Batman has.  We flash it, he appears.  Although he'd be way too busy if that were the case.  He'll inform us if we're meant to be informed.  If it's supposed to be a surprise he's not gonna tell us that.

But in 2002 we know about the show days before...

I think next week we could have some info  :hihi:


Hey Limulus and all the authors, I want a DVD of the show by monday morning, got it? :hihi:

Many of the performers have been announced.. is there still room for gnr?

I hear phelps will be there. the guy who got 8 golds in beijing, you know?

mtv is trying to get michael jackson since britney backed out.

I think MJ is going to present an award with Janet Jackson...

What MTV failed to do in which they should of done, but since their sellouts.  They could of presented this awards so around the release of Metallica and AC/DC's releases and try to bring back MTV like it once was.  If im MTV I would of had Metallica, AC/DC, Guns N' Roses, Oasis, perform.  Then start playing music video's the day after.

mtv will NEVER go back to playing only videos.every teenage gilr watches stupid shows like the hills and date my mom. they can watch videos online.

This is supposedly the big surprise...a bunch of artists singing past hits...

Additionally, it was announced that DJ AM and Blink-182 kitman Travis Barker will be mixing live drum beats to scratched records throughout the evening. Later in the show, the pair will team up with Katy Perry, T-Pain, Lupe Fiasco, the Ting Tings and other special guests to perform new and past MTV hits as part of a special celebration of the VMAs' 25th birthday.

Well its pretty simple where this rumor is coming from. Rock Band is published by MTV Games. I think MTV was behind getting GNR on Rock Band or helped at least. The VMAs are in LA, so AXL doesn't need to travel and everything can be kept secret. Rock Band is released just after the VMAs and Mtv will market the hell out of Rock Band and what better way to do so as with the first single from CD.
So will they play??? I don't fucking know, but in difference to the last year, the chances are pretty high. And till now no other shows are scheduled for band members. Another band with a suprise performance could be also Metallica or AC/DC (because of the 25 years VMA thing).

I didn't realize it was the 25th year anniversary.  I wouldn't expect GNR to be a part of that.  If they performed I would expect to hear "Shackler's Revenge" since the song is coming out on Rock Band and the album APPEARS to be close.  I don't see what good it would do for the band to come out and play Welcome to the Jungle.  I mean I'd love it all the same, but I would think they'd be focussing on the new material.  Maybe if they started out with Jungle then switched over to Shackler's a minute or so in.  That would make more sense to me, then you get the past, and the future hits.

The question is who would come out and play Welcome to the Jungle.

One song for the enitity that made them big?  Zepplin did it. 

I keep wondering why Slash had such a strong reaction.

Sorry, I haven't had a full cup of coffee yet and I'm still dreaming.

Yeah I just don't see that happening, at this point.  I know what you're saying.  Maybe somewhere, YEARS down the line, but I don't think now is the time.

I guess she means that as jimmy page played a zep classic whole lotta love with Leona Lewis,
Slash with rihanna?

Yea he seems to be friends with russel.

back to GNR's case,

The album APPEARS to be close and phelps will be there. why not democracy and Shacklers? ;D

I am calling a one night only Axl/Slash Sebastian Bach kind of MTV thing.

Fuck it! haha why not!

good idea man, if phelps can win 8 gold medals in the olympics i'm sure he can fill in for finck just for one night :D

Don't get your hopes up D I wouldn't count on that ! but I do think there's a possible chance we will see a surprise.

Finck it why not !

Axl may show up to introduce Metallica.  Kinda like he did with the Killers.

^

are you just pulling that out of the air or is there actually reason to believe that?

just guessing based on past events.

hehe maybe, but better finck it and he can still lend the medals to the 8 of gnr if he likes.  ;D

I think this whole thread has been "pulled out of the air"

every year the VMAs come around, GnR is rumored to be a surprise guest

Axl showing up and not performing would be kind of sad...it'd certainly attract criticism, y'know 'Here he is again, 2 years later, still no album'...

Of course, showing up and announcing a release date would be a whole different bag. A performance of one great new song and an announcement would be perfect, but I think we're all wet dreaming again.

Nothing is booked for GN'R as of today.

I would rate an appearance as extremely unlikely.

^ thanks for keeping us updated  : ok:

a missed oportunity maybe?

hey, what's one more?

I deny to the idea that it's never gonna happen. :hihi:

Maybe Mysteron want to give us a surprise :hihi:





I believe  :peace:

I believe if Mysteron wanted it to be a surprise, he wouldn't have said anything at all. It looks like we can save ourselves from having to sit through the VMAs for another year. Thanks for the info Mysteron.

I still have hope that it will happen.

Of course, I would trade in a VMA performance for an announcement regarding the release date of Chinese Democracy in a heartbeat.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we'll get a rock-solid release date within the next two weeks.

This does not mean "no".

Probably a last minute agreement, eh?

I'd love to see GNR anywhere these days, including the VMA's, but I don't know if it's the best way to promote CD.  First off, the VMA's are more of a celebration of the music that's marked the past year.  I know GNR burst back onto the scene in 2002, but I just don't know if it would work the same this time around.  The MTV crowd is so out of touch with rock music they may not know how to react or care about Axl Rose and GNR if they hit the stage.  Rock seems to be making a comeback, but it's not there quite yet.  Plus the whole Robin situation, unless they have that covered one way or another, there seem to be a lot of hurdles to clear.  I'll probably tape it anyway JUST IN CASE unless we get definitive word they won't be there.  In that case, I'd have no need whatsoever for the VMA's.  Do they even play videos anymore?  How can they give away awards for these videos they never show?

I hope we get some word on something when Rock Band comes out.

Darn

"Too long on the road my friend
Too long betweens rides."

Don't lose heart, people.  Vmas comes everyyear.
and
Rock Band 2 comes this year.

Probably you're yanking yourself.

Man...what a downer. Seemed like such good timing, too.

Again, I'd LOVE to see GNR at the VMA's, or anywhere for that matter.  Not the end of the world though.  The VMA's haven't been cool since, well since 2002 IMO.  Not much relevance there anymore, at least in the rock world.  I've gotta imagine there's better places to re-emerge.

definitely. Id love to see them there too, but I think it would attract negative press since it would be the second attempt to re emerge at the VMAs and take over the world

Speaks Volumes.

Good point, it would be kind of weird for "round 2" to take place 6 years later.  I'd take it though, take my chances with the negative press.  Then again, it's not up to me.

damn guess its going to metallica instead

I guess the question is, WHAT IS BOOKED FOR GN'R MYSTERON???????

the biggest reason why it isnt happening is because robin isnt in the band

Fair enough, didn't have any expectations for VMA but hoping anyway..

Mysteron, even if plans aren't set as yet, what is the possibility of any special one off live performances of "Shackler's Revenge" or interviews or any other press to promote the new song?

I dont see this VMA as exciting anyways.. But i would struggle through it if GnR were to play.. yes!
There are millions of other ways to promote this comeback release..

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1594107/20080904/west_kanye.jhtml

Kanyw West as the finale :crying:

That pretty much closes out any hope I'd say.  Britney opening, Kanye closing.  I don't think I'd want GNR anywhere in between that mess.

It was fun while it lasted!

I think some people were hoping 1 of 2 guys may take his place for the night, if not longer.  I won't name any names.

yeah I thought the poster whose name I refrain from naming too :P, was asking too much of phelps.

Considering Slash is going to be presenting...it's about 100% nothing will happen....

On Thursday, MTV rolled out a long list of additional presenters, who've been confirmed for this weekend's VMAs. They include Jamie Foxx, "Gossip Girl" star Chace Crawford, a very pregnant Ashlee Simpson, John Legend, Kobe Bryant, Leona Lewis, Paris Hilton, Slash, Taylor Swift, Shia LaBeouf and "The Hills" gang ? Lauren Conrad, Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt.

Mabye Velvet Revolver will be performing

 :rofl: :rofl:

Yup, laugh at your own joke. No-one else will.

Tonight is the night, the suspense is soon over :P  I wouldn't necessarily watch under any other circumstances, nor am I convinced Axl will make an appearance, but under the circumstances, you really never no, right? :-\

IF Axl doesn't show up, We could see Slash playing SCOM with Fergie

I heard this VMA is gonna showcase artists of today with legends. So it is possible those were warmups.


Honestly, It doesnt make sense for Axl/GNR to not show up. U have Rockband 2 coming out next week.

To us fans it would make sense they would take advantage of this opportunity. Depends on how ready to really promote are they?

I dont care Im watching the whole thing. I know if I dont GNR will perform and Ill kick myself in the balls

Been there done that (well almost, LOL).  :hihi:

Is there a link on the net for the show?
I can't watch it here in the netherlands again.

http://www.mtv.com/ontv/vma/2008/

Personally I don't think that they are at WMA's

We've been saying that every year since '02, minus Rockband.  Every year is a great opportunity, and every year is the vital make-or-break one.

Totally disagree

This is the only VIABLE time because GNR have a single coming out on Rockband 2 next week.

I think people are forgetting this. If this is going to be the first single off the album then SHACKLERS will be released to Radio next week.

NO better platform to launch this than TONIGHT

expect the worst hope for the best...

I'll just be thankful that this thread can end soon.   One less thing to speculate about....    :beer:

http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/2008/09/07/pre-vma-mystery-moment-which-confirmed-vma-star-is-this/

who may this just be? haha.. i guess its not Axl. . :hihi:

Please keep all general discussions in the VMA thread in Bad Obsession.

Thanks.




/jarmo

Fortus just played with Rhianna......
could mean something. who knows.

YEAH that was Richard. Hot damn! GNR in the HOUSE!


I always liked Fortus. I think he looks cool as hell.

Slash is in the audience. He was just on camera :)

BAD NEWS


SLASH is there..


Probably Guns is out.... :(:(

is this live on tv in the UK. if so which channel anyone cheers

I'm sure that has no effect on anything...but whatever you wish to believe : ok:

I would try MTV, MTV2, or any sort of MTV channel you get in the UK?

:-[ ah well cheers

anyone puttin the fortus performance on youtube  : ok:

I only saw him like twice, it was with Rhianna on her song 'Disturbia'....nothing really special. haha

So, definitely Fortus with Rihanna? Crazy.

Yeh btw UK we dont get it here. Im watching this stream at the mo tho:

http://vmastream.tk/

I recognized that black guitar even before I saw his face.

yeah thats definately fortus

cool thanks  : ok:

Isn't he part of the house band? If so, he should be on a few more times.

a.

I didn't see anything about that, could be wrong though.


EVERYONE HOLD THE PRESSES. IT WAS DEFINITELY HIM! Thanks Dylan, couldn't have done it without ya ;)

yeah cotis i gotta confirm everyone else that says it is bsing :P

great to see him out making money

I hope I'm wrong, but if Richard did perform at the VMA's , can that mean he doesn't expect some steady income soon (meaning gnr touring, royalties, etc?) If he was gonna tour soon or have an album to promote soon, would he be playing with someone else at the VMA's?

maybe he just likes to play.  :o

Thank God GNR weren't apart of this horrible Crap fest.

Richard has been a session guitarist for years. He's played/recorded with everyone from Christina Aguilera to The Divinyls to X Japan. Just like the other guys in GNR, Richard still likes to play music with others in the free time when there is no GNR activity

Crap fest doesn't even begin to describe it.  What the hell was that?  Thank goodness GnR were not there!  Even Kid Rock was thinking, "What am I doing up here?" and that's saying a lot.

I'm watching the 17 clips of the performances, it's embarrassing.
rock n'roll doesn't sell these days in USA or what ?

I honestly fell asleep about half way through, husband said he would wake me if necessary, it's 3:00 am now : ok: From what I did see, I was glad I didn't loose any sleep over it :P

rihanna stole robins look :P

Once again, all the rumours were wrong. Whats next? Quick, how many Tuesdays left? Im sure someone has a count on that.

Im sure there will be some half-assed reason the GnR will have to be at the VMA's  ::)

See ya next year  :peace:

so, one of GNR was at there after all.  :D

and cin got the rihanna bit right.

A few comments here.  One, I watched the whole thing and even in America (i.e., the USA) it was not live.  Unless they broadcast it live on the east coast and then showed it on the west coast?  So maybe the east coast got to hear all the curses?  At point during the show, they showed the outside and it was still daylight.  I live in San Fran and I can assure you it was dark out.  Yeah, the show sucked but that's not really a big surprise.  GNR wasn't there - no big surprise.  Now MTV had a tiny sliver of credibility with me left.  But last night, that went out the door.  It's the 25th anniversary - they could have added an hour of performances by big names from the past (even if they aren't big now).  I'm thinking Metallica, GNR (of course), Aerosmith, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Pearl Jam, I don't know.  But they fucked it all up. 

Next year the same thread..... : ok: ;)

I wonder why people complain. There was a good reason, maybe it was even considered by the band. Obviously, it didn't happen - as Mysteron anticipated. But it wasn't like any other year at all.

WTF? If you don't think the Rock Band 2 - published by a MTV company, Harmonix - with a new song from the upcoming album is a good enough reason, don't even come back here next year. Because if they release the album by then, they will have all the reasons again.

just copy & paste  :)....maybe next time though the outcome will be different

It wasn't half-assed. This year the album has been confirmed as finished, we got a management team with a great track record, we have a new song coming out in a week,  and there's been so many rumors about the album being handed in (And from my recollection haven't been shot down) that it only made sense. If the album has a shot at being out this year the band missed a great promotion opportunity. (No matter how horrible the show itself was, I bet it pulled in at least a million viewers)

You mean, promote the album that has no official release date at the moment?

People see "great promotion opportunities" everywhere.


GN'R has a song in a huge video game.

People will hear a new GN'R track soon.

That's a great promotion opportunity.



I bet once the release date is set, there'll be plenty of "great promotion opportunities".....





/jarmo

I hope GNR doesn't associate with MTV ever again.  That show and channel suck.

They kind of need to--get the word out. You don?t want GN?R to be seen as a bunch a dinosaurs.

I find it amazing how powerful GNR is. Do u think there would have been any opposition if they asked to close the VMAs?

I bet MTV would have booted Kanye from the last slot without blinking an eye if GNR wanted it.

For people who think the MTV VMAs was a big opportunity wasted, how many of the artists who are releasing albums this or next week were on?

The Pussycat Dolls?





/jarmo

If GNR wants publicity, do a live concert on HBO or Showtime.  This isn't 1991 were they need to work the press.  All they need to do is put the album out.

Given what MTV and the awards show has become, GNR should stand far far far away, this year, next year, and so on. GNR is still a huge viable brand name-upon release of anything will garner worldwide immediate press.

The only thing the MTV awards have been good for promotion-wise is some flash in the pan urban / hip hop artist to blurt out their release date for an album that never goes anywhere.

Now, could I see some sort of promo or appearance with the Grammy Awards? MAYBE. Has more industry allure, along with public consumer consumption.

MTV Awards? That's like a blow up doll with a slow leak.

Hey, I read somewhere that Gn'R may do the grammy's! Let's start that thread since this one is played out!  :hihi:
Seriously, I have to agree that the 'show' has more credibility than MTV...but I thought there was some sort of fued/bad blood there...I may be wrong.

Thank you Mr. Azoff  :)

lets be honest. any award show would bend over backward for GNR. nobody is gunna say no to them, so when CD is close to release they can hijack all the award shows that are taking place at that time.

MTV has not put out a decent VMA show in several years now. In the 90's they put out some very good shows and then they went downhill after that.

Today I  realized it was on yesterday and totally missed it- glad I did not waste my time watching it - who the frak was that clown they used as a host?

Why would Gnr play the VMA's looking to promote something? Do the math.

I would have to hope that whoever is at the helm of the GnR camp would realize that the targeted audience for those shows are teens. Why else is Brittany such a big deal, The F'n Jonas Bros? Come on? What place does Axl Rose have there anymore? Mtv is not what it used to be.

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING on Mtv is geared toward a "Rock" audience. All thier shows are geared for teenage girls. Shows like Sweet 16, The Hills, and whatever else that god-awful channel shows.

Im glad GnR had othing to do with it, I hopethey find a more suitable "vehicle" to promote this loooooooong awaited CD.

Well said, I must agree with you, I remember when MTV was so great!!! :(

Oi, stop insulting one of England's finest - our very own self-confessed sex god, Russell Brand.  I managed to sit through an hour of the programme in order to watch ol' Russ and what a load of old tosh the rest of them proved to be.  Some bloke who needed to get a pair of braces to keep his blasted trousers in place, Rhianna proving yet again what wonders the recording studio can do for a very average voice, and Pink looking stunning but let down by a dire song.  Oh and some kind of novelty act - Jonas Brothers, or something like that.  Good job that GNR didn't appear, methinks, it would have made a load of other performers look like X-Factor rejects.

When I think back to the organised chaos of the early days of televised music awards, today's efforts make very dull viewing.  Thank goodness for Russell's refusal to take the whole thing seriously, that's what I say.  Now if Slash had read out the Foo Fighters as rock video winners as he and Russell had discussed on his radio show on Sat, maybe it would have injected some spontaneity into the whole proceedings.  Missed a fine opportunity there, Slash   ;)   ;D

When bands like GnR, Nirvana and Pearl Jam were all the rage on MTV all those years ago most of their fans were the teen rockers - that was fashionable for younger folk then, this hip-hop stuff is fashionable now.  It's not really changed.

If your Axl Rose/GnR, MTV has changed, its not really for them.

How many Hard Rock bands on GnR's level do you see on MTV now? I cant think of any let alone 1.

I was reading an article the other day about the movie industry and how every few years a woman?s movie comes along and the industry is surprised just how big the sales are.  The writer was saying that the teen population has deceased from past times and maybe it was time for the industry to start looking and marketing to a different demographic instead of just teens.

Personally, I?m an old rocker and I haven?t left music behind me.  I?m still listening but it?s hard to find the new music.  It would be nice if I could flip on my MTV!  It?d be nice if the music was put in my face.

But my question is this, there?s plenty of old rock acts still out there wanting to make music so why the fuck are you making it for teenagers?  They just think your old men making asses of yourself.  There?s plenty going on in the adult world to write songs about, god knows I need rock music to get me through.  The Stones still sell out big time, look at the age of who goes to those concerts and the big bucks they pay.

Ya think? LOL

I dont know if its me getting old, or the music just flat out sucking, but I cant watch MTV for more than 2 minutes. There is no outlet for fans like us. :whine:

Could just be that every time you turn on MTV, they're playing some dumb-ass "reality" TV show.  I want my MTV, but unfortunately it died long ago . . .   :no:

the only current rock bands on MTV are Foo Fighters, Linkin Park, and White Stripes.

can we move this topic now?