Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I am a massive Guns N Roses fan. Wish Axl would get his finger out and release Chinese Democracy. Anyway, thats another story.  I was having a discussion with another lad in the pub recently about who is better Guns N Roses or Nirvana. He made the point that Nirvana were better because they were more influential i.e influenced Pearl Jam and Soundgarden.

Do any of you guys know who Guns N Roses influenced?

There's a bunch of bands who were influnced by GN'R.

But up until quite recently, it wasn't cool to say it. It was always a lot cooler to say Nirvana.



Examples of bands influenced by GN'R: Manic Street Preachers, Backyard Babies and a bunch of other bands who started out in the late 80s/early 90s. There's also a lot of younger bands who have been influnced by the Sunset Strip scene. Which is a way to lump a bunch of bands together, just like with the Seattle scene, no matter that they don't sound alike....




/jarmo

me! ;D

led zepplin

Nobody good that's for sure. 

Velvet Revolver  ;)

Avenged Sevenfold were

me, and my band when it was still alive lol. And well I think in some way they have influensed the whole music industry at one point.

I wouldn't say Pearl Jam and Soundgarden were influenced by Nirvana considering they all came out around the same time.    And bands influenced by Nirvana tend to all sound the same (i.e. Muddle of Pudd)  :-\

But Jarmo is right that it wasn't cool to admit you were influenced by Axl's music until at least the early 2000s.

I'm a fan but GNR weren't too influential because they weren't innovative. They were just really good at what they did. Quality is a hard thing to immitate. And they were on a level that no one could touch.

I do remember though that right after Lies came out everyone was doing acoustic stuff. Songs, parts of songs, whole albums. That's also when MTV started the Unplugged series. Hard so say if it was because of Lies, but a pretty intresting coincidence.

And I do think they influenced the course of mainstream rock music by being so raw and so popular. No way does Nirvana happen without Appetite beating a path in front of them. No way.

gnr buttfuck over shitvana anyday.

GNR influence countless bands, even shit ones like Fall out boy and MCR.

were f words in rock/pop lyrics before GNR?

I hear zep wasn't really cool after pistils till GNR.

pistols wasn't exactly innovative nor quality but influential.

The media loved Nirvana.

There was a shift in what was popular after Nirvana made it big. MTV and everybody started paying attention to bands who had been around for years but were still somehat underground. Alternative music.

The interesting thing is that most bands who never made it big, no matter genre, would probably be considered alternative....  ;)

Anyway, that whole change is attributed to Nirvana and that's why their influence is always considered enormous.



The often forgotten thing is the fact that GN'R came out in a time when rock was pretty boring. Before Appetite For Destruction, what was the most exciting music on the radio?

Tiffany? George Michael? Def Leppard?


Maybe they didn't make the whole world wear bandannas at the time, but they managed to become one of the biggest bands on the planet on their own terms. It was ok to say fuck on the album if you had to.

It was ok not to be yet another pop rock band.



I also suspect that if Nirvana had kept going, their influence wouldn't have been made out to be as big as it is.

It seems like every band that makes it goes through the same process with the music press and media. First they're "the band to look out for", "the next big thing" (GN'R AFD), then the follow-up "will they make it?". If they do make it, it's "they're boring now, let's put them down". That goes on for a while and then they're again hailed as great for the stuff they did some years ago and/or ridiculed.





/jarmo

HEY. That's some good shit right there.

Pearl Jam and Soundgarden were only influenced by Nirvana in the sense that all of the late '80s Seattle bands influenced each other. Guns N' Roses were a direct influence on Mother Love Bone, which would morph into Temple of the Dog and then Pearl Jam following the death of Andrew Wood.

I wouldn't agree that it's been uncool to acknowledge GNR as an influence either. There'll always be a section of the population who view GNR as '80s metal cheese-merchants, but they've always been acknowledged as one of the era's most respectable products.

At the moment, I know Avenged Sevenfold were deeply influenced by GNR, and probably Atreyu too, though they seem to be more towards the Crue end of the spectrum. Buckcherry, obviously, Hinder et al. Probably not the greatest legacy they could have left, but it's a start!

Has to be remebered tho; We arent exactly talking about hollywood  version of Velvet Underground here.
As amazing and hot shit and [lots of superlatives here]as GNR were, they weren't among  founders,  pioneers or even early settlers of the genre or anything. And in general not in a good position to act as some sort of shiny bright beacon that radiates influence. You could even say that when compared to commercial success and critical acclaim of AFD and UYIs, GNR's influence remains kinda modest.
The fact that no one has been too eager to write, record or listen good ol fashioned hardrock  in 10+ years now isn't helping with the influence reaping.

As an irrelevant  sidenote, it's fun how surprisingly large amount of bands that were huge influence to GNR have proved to be exceptionally slow to die. (Stones, Aerosmith, ACDC  still alive and kicking,an incarnation of  Hanoi Rocks is up and running again..)

Heh,when discussing  " influence of GNR" I automatically talk of GNR in past tense, while you comfortably and instantly change "influence of GNR" to "Influence of Axl's music"
Gotta love teh diversity!we are all unique snowflakes and all that  ay? :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:

Here are some bands that were touched by members of The Guns....(lots of members)

Perfect Circle
LA Guns
Avenged Sevenfold
BuckCherry
Skid Row or Baz Solo
Lenny Kravitz-Slash wrote the music to his break through hit
Ozzy-Slash Played
Tool
Micheal Monroe
Gilby Solo
Izzy Solo/JuJu Hounds
Velvet Revolver
Every band that filmed a video on top of a skyscraper to copy Dont Cry...(plenty of them)
Eminem/Fred Durst---They followed Axl attitude
Everyband that stripped it down after GnR Lies was released
Snake Pit
Stinson Solo
Dizzy Solo
Camp Freddy
Tom Petty-Great Wide Open
Don Henley- Axl on Backup
NIN
Janes Addiction
West Akreem Band
Dexter- When he needed to get in the paper----He talks about Axl
John 5
Marilyn Manson
Micheal Jackson
Motorhead
RHCP
Bumble Foot- New Record
Duff's- Horrible Album
Hookers N Blow---kidding
Daugherty

Thats all I can think of....

LJ

Axl's Music?

i think many rock bands today would claim to have been influenced by both appetite and nevermind.  they are the two biggest landmark albums of the past 25 years.  they've both touched thousand of muscians lives whether you like it or not.

but off the top of my head...bands influenced by gnr:  linkin park, killers, priestess, darkness, mastadon, kid rock, buckcherry, system of a down, avrnge sevenfold, my chemical romance, eminem, incubus, slipknot, korn

bands nirvana influenced...white strpies, beck, weezer, modest mouse, strokes, arctic monkeys, ryan adams, death cab for cutie, rem, the cure, rise against, at the drive-in,

Jake E. Lee former Ozzy and Badlands (High Wire is a classic song)guitarist stated he changed his entire style after hearing Slash play..How many bands began singing about edgier stuff? Take a look at band photos pre N' post AFD..The makeup/hairspray was much less prevelant. Fluorescent  clothing was often replaced w/ jeans, leather pants,  and t-shirts. Even Warrant went out and got tattoos..A great post AFD band to check out is Circus of Power (at least their debut)...

I think People are forgetting how much Nirvana and the alternative scene influenced Axl-he's said it in interviews, and I think clearly if you listen to the new stuff you can hear it-I'm not sure how many bands Guns influenced, but I think the musical landscape changed more after Nevermind came out than AFD-Axl at one time wanted Nirvana to open for Guns, and of course wore the Nirvana hat in the Don't Cry video-Guns simply blew other bands out of the water with great music in the late 80's, whereas Nirvana changed things musically, and attitude wise-they didn't just sings party songs, or love songs-I think Chinese Democracy is probably more influenced by bands from the 90's than form the 70's-Axl was a huge Jane's Addiction fan (although they were around in the 80's), NIN-Axl even had Moby in to possibly produce at the time-Nirvana was the last great thing to happen in music-Guns influenced bands just by how cool they were-it's tough to say how musically

nirvana didnt influenced THE CURE!
the cure influenced 90% of the bands in the 90's!
even axl said in a 89 interview he was fan of the cure

what the problem is? you have something to contribute to the topic or should you just go on back to the VR section?

He does have a point. I mean, the thread's about GN'R's music and influence, and to just call it Axl's music, ignoring Izzy, Duff, Steven, ya know, seems kind of short-sighted.

Axl's Music = GnR's Music.   Same fuckin thing, stop being nitpicky.  how about not worrying about what I refer to the music as and we can keep this thread from going any more off topic.

Lovehammers, it's a pretty good band influenced by gn'r

Stop pretending like even you honestly believed you can spit out  utter bullshit like  Axl's Music = GnR's Music.   Same fuckin thing, and  expect  everyone here was disillusioned enough to nod along.
You are a lot like Carrey&co in that classic Night at Roxbury  clip. Know the one I mean? You and your 2 sleazy friends dryhump unwilling ladies at dancefloor  and then go " whaaat whaaaat whaaat??? stay IN TOPIC!!" when ppl jump at you for it ;D

Hay I found the clip;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbPeA_0jnnM

who has been the one constant in GnR since day one?  Axl.

And this makes, say,  AFD "Axl's Music"...How??

how about you not worry about what I say and if you want to have this debate start another fucking thread, probably in the dead horse section.   thank you and go back to the VR board.  : ok:

I don't think GN'R has a huge influence on very popular groups. Avenged Sevenfold, and Buckcherry too I suppose, but not many bands sound a lot like GN'R. Endeverafter lists Guns as a major influence, but they're not big at all.

I don't think Nirvana had a huge influence either, to be honest. In the punk realm, I think Green Day did a lot more, bands like Blink-182 and Sum 41 and those late 90s early 00s punk and modern rock groups sound way more like Green Day than Nirvana. And in the rock realm, rap-rock like Faith No More seems to have gathered big followers, or even bands like Creed and Seether owe more to Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam than they do to Nirvana. Even though AIC rocks and Seether blows usually.

Probably the biggest impact was their breaking down of taboos, GnR was one of if not the first truly huge music acts that used a lot of profanity and graphic language consistently in their music

I think GnR broke down a lot of barriers in that regard.  Not that they were the first to do it (look no further than Dire Straits with the huge hit Money For Nothing a few years before AFD) but there weren't very many big mainstream acts that had that type of lyrical content on a regular basis, while since GnR it's become commonplace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY_GRfXw1ME

They have said that GN'R and Hanoi Rocks are their biggest influence. Pretty gay though

so it wasn't like older classic albums in my house were all censored.  ;D

thousands of middle fingers in the air screaming 'fuck off' in it's so easy is a gland sight. it's a great way to let off stream as life ain't always easy. It's healthy and never uncool.

me?  : ok:

for the better I hope!  ;D

no it isnt...listen to any band that uses guitar solos, that pretty much eliminates Nirvana as an influence...im sick of the Nirvana nonsense....if Nirvana was really that great and let this huge "revolution" in rock music why did Rap and Hip Hop take over the charts for the next 15 years after Nevermind came out?  Most 90's rock bands were absolute garbage...thanks Nirvana, dont know where I would be without Smash Mouth, Sublime,  Weezer and The presidents of the united states of america, or the Verve Pipe....great stuff ::)

I actually grew up and went to high school in the late 90's so trust me.. there was NOTHING good as far as rock goes in that time period...Music is SOOOOO much better today than it was then....

The only reason that I post more in the VR section is cuz stuff has actually transpired for VR, not just rumours and potentials.  When GNR start doing something (other than occasional leaks), i'll be more than happy to post more in the GNR section.

Back on topic, I wouldn't say every guitar solo band is inspired by GNR, the best way to tell is by eliminating those that were inspired by the grunge scene.

Also, its more than posssible that GNR was the gateway band for many musicians and singers which openned up Aerosmith and other GNR influences to them, so the band may have inspired others this way.

I saw two bands the other day who seemed to be to be quite heavily infuenced by Guns N' Roses, called The Answer and Black Stone Cherry.  Both pretty cool, hard rocking, bluesy guitar based bands. 

Blind Melon (Shannon Hoon first band was a Gn'R covers band), Backyard Babies, Buckcherry, the whole new wave of swedish sleaze bands (like Crashd?et)... they're the main influence of the actual hard rock/sleaze bands...
Nirvana maybe is more influential (even if you like it or not, it's a fact) coz they represented a new wave, a movement among with another bands of Seattle like Soundgarden, Pearl Jam or Alice In Chains, bands from the underground that break in the mainstream thank to the massive succes of Nirvana, also they anti-rockstar pose was the aesthetic of Generation X... n' Gn'R didn't, they had a classic hard rock sound with a killer punk attitude that were a kick in the ass to the hair-metal bands like Poison, Warrant, Cinderella, etc.

But Did not represent nothing new... just fresh air in the scene n' back to basics of what rock n' roll is supose to be...

The song "Numb" off Wild Mood Songs is dedicated to Kurt Cobain.  Robert Smith has been quoted to say how much Nirvana's music meant to his creativity.