Here Today... Gone To Hell!

 1.) The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

2.) The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)

3.) The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)

4.) The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288)

5.) The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganization. After over 200 years of operating under bankruptcy it's finally over. (Executive Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or shareholders or you will go to Prison.18 U.S.C.914

6.) The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the "US Government" held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

7.) The UN through the IMF issues Social Security Numbers. The Application for a Social Security Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 ( (2) (2) Read the cites above)

8.) There are no Judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)

9.) There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-178)

10.) According to the GATT you must have a Social Security number. House Report (103-826)

11.) Social Security is not insurance or a contract, nor is there a Trust Fund. (Helvering v. Davis 301 US 619, Steward Co. V. Davis 301 US 548.)

12.) Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF, which is an Agency of the UN. (Look at it if you receive one. It should have written on the top left United States Treasury.)

13.) You own no property, slaves can't own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours. You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)

14.) The most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court but the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)

15.) The Revolutionary War was a fraud. See (22, 23 and 24)

16.) The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)

17.) You can not use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford Fay &Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)

18.) America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)

19.) Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)

20.) The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)

21.) A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209)

22.) The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)

23.) The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people.(Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)

24.) The Popes laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati, 1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44)

25.) We are slaves and own absolutely nothing not even what we think are our children.(Tillman v. Roberts 108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 43 &73rd Congress 1st Session, Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)

26.) Military Dictator George Washington divided the States (Estates) into Districts. (Messages and papers of the Presidents Vo 1, pg 99. Websters 1828 dictionary for definition of Estate.)

27.) " The People" does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor &City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)

28.) The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)

29.) It is not the duty of the police to protect you !. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.

30.) Everything in the "United States" is For Sale: roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons airports etc. I wonder who bought Klamath Lake? Did anyone take the time to check? (Executive Order 12803)

31.) We are Human capital. (Executive Order 13037)

What are you? Some American wannabe?

If it helps you.

Some of his arguments are valid. See the "Articles Of Confederation".

Another argument, George lll did not recognize the US; the treaty signed recognized the sovereignty of the individual states.

Yes it is. 

Do you have a source for this nonsense?

It's listed right next to it.

I meant the list itself.

Do you perceive motivation to be more important than court documents? I don't know who wrote it, nor does it matter. Each point are individually referenced.

However, you can find additional reference here (http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=2835&goto=nextoldest).

The one you were looking for in particular:

The I.R.S. Is Not A Government Agency (http://www.usa-the-republic.com/revenue/who%20is%20the%20irs.html)

I particularly like this one:

"The ownership of all property is in the State; individual so-called "ownership" is only by virtue of government, i.e., law amounting to mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State.? (Senate Document No. 43, 73 Congress, 1st Session)

US District Courts have recognized that the IRS is unconstitutional. There have been several judgements where the defendants have been found "not guilty" for tax evasion.

Google it.

Diversified Metal Products, Inc., Plaintiff v. T-Bow Company Trust, Internal Revenue Service and Steve Morgan, Defendants, page 4, item #4:

In the Complaint for Impleader, prepared by the attorneys for plaintiff, page one, item #4:

Defendant Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is an agency of the United States government which has presented to Plaintiff a lien against monies to which Defendant Steve Morgan, or presumably Defendant T-Bow Company Trust for him, may be entitled.

Response from Betty Richardson, United States Attorney, Box 32, Boise, Idaho 83707. Civil No. 93-405-E-EJL:

Denies (the U.S. government) that the Internal Revenue Service is an agency of the United States government but admits that the United States of America would be a proper party to this action.  Admits that the IRS has served a Notice of Levy on plaintiff for funds owed to defendant Steve Morgan.

Another classic case of little pieces of paper don't mean shit.

Pieces of paper are what gives you food, shelter, health care, education and most importantly, rights.

A piece of paper is what enabled Hitler to win the election.

As a people we should keep an eye on what our government is doing, we keep them in check.  When we let them take away the 2nd amendment we're in trouble. (or the 1st amendment)

Good job on finding this, Polluxlm. I'm not discrediting your find, but I'm not sure how much weight this list carries though, how many of these decisions have been overturned?

The list is composed by Stephen Ames, political prisoner in Pennsylvania.

More to follow.

No idea. I doesn't seem likely though, that 'secret' orders would be overturned. Especially if you don't really know that they exist or what they represent. And of course, if there is no real 'government', as this list proposes, it would be counterproductive to do so.

I'm petitioning to get all the background information from the author.

haha, please.


You have done nothing but advocate the opposite.

"Court documents" could be anything, and have no inherent credibility. 

I tried looking up that document in particular, and was referred to silly "illuminati" sites featuring that list you just posted.

The same websites that say George Bush is part of a Satanic Cult?

I love those people, they are nutty as hell. :hihi:

"Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security" - Stephen Ames.  :confused:

Well, I for one am totally convinced.

I wish she would control our damn dollar, maybe it would be worth more? :hihi:

Is Barack Obama part of the illunates too?  HAHAHAHAHA  This topic is awesome.  I feel like we are in a real life National Treasure.

Barack Obama is actually the Pope. The guy pretending to be the pope is the offspring of an alien lizard and the Sasquatch who killed JFK.

 :rofl: :rofl:  And John McCain is Elvis.

Obama is CFR, so is Michelle, so is Hillary and so is Bill.

You have such a hard on for me.

I have a hard on for the truth, something you wouldn't know a thing about.

We have debated on various topics in the past, that is fine and I enjoy the banter. But if you want to argue for arguments sake  look somewhere else because I have better things to do.

What I said, is nothing of the sort.

You're a cheerleader, not an individual who is interested in keeping Uncle Sam in check.

All Americans are immigrants aren't they?
And you should write about Norway pollux, about Christian oppression, EU closing in on us and...things!
But he is a part of that "skull and bones" club. It's not a Satanic cult tho :P

I wish. Not much information about these things in our part of the world though.

And they can call it what they like, but world leaders meeting up to perform mock human sacrifice isn't exactly what I'd call normal.

Abraham Lincoln(16th president) Imposed a military dictatorship in the Northern States during his rule. As part of his rule, he suspended the writ of habeas corpus, and shut down the press that dared to question his authority.

Those who disagreed with his policy were imprisoned with out charge, counsel, and in most cases without trial. If they did get a trial, it was a secret military tribunal.

By posting on HTGTH? good work so far!

It is a lot of information about that!
You can even start a concpiracy-theory (thats your creed right? :P ) about how Christianity was tailor made to opress Europe :hihi:

Back to America, you're on of the biggest in space-science!

Well sure, old shit is plenty. But I usually don't post about that, too little interest.

Finding good info on EU is hard, but it exists, yes. That'll probably be next in line.

Norway on the other hand, damn, our authorities have done an excellent job keeping things under wraps.

But rest assured, I'm getting there. Still, I only got 1 brain and 2 eyes, you know.  :'(

Well, all those silly Illuminati followers seem to say it is Satanic.

Bush is an ahole yes, a Satanist, probably not.  Even Satantists probably have some brains. ;)

She's been fucking dead for 400 years.

She was dead before there was a United States.

S.I. 1997 NO.1778 The Social Security ( United States of America)
Order 1997 Made 22nd of July 1997 coming into force 1st September 1997. At
the Court at Buckingham Palace the 22nd day of July 1997. Now, therefore Her
Majesty an pursuance of section 179 (1) (a) and (2) of the Social Security
Administration Act of 1992 and all other powers enabling Her in that behalf,
is please, by and with advise of Her privy Council, to order, and it is
hereby ordered as follows:
   
"This Order may be cited as the Social Security (United States of America)
Order 1997 and shall come into force on 1st September 1997."

http://www.theantechamber.net/Mirror/StatutoryInstrument1997.html

Queen Elizabeth - r.1558-1603

http://www.thamesweb.co.uk/windsor/windsorhistory/kings_queens.html

Someone needs to find Polluxlm a Fox Mulder avatar ;)

that would be Queen Elizabeth II.

btw - did anyone actually READ and UNDERSTAND the amendment?
http://www.theantechamber.net/Mirror/StatutoryInstrument1997.html

I found these the most interesting:

15. Where a person's periods of coverage under the laws of a part of the United Kingdom total less than one qualifying year, or one reckonable year, these periods shall be aggregated as if they had all been completed under the laws of any part of the territory of the United Kingdom under which a sickness benefit or an invalidity benefit is payable or would be payable if the periods were aggregated, or, where two such benefits are or would be payable, under the laws of that part which, at the date on which entitlement first arose or arises, is paying or would pay the greater amount. Where the aggregate of the periods of coverage is less than one qualifying year, or one reckonable year, this Article shall not apply.

     16. Notwithstanding any other provision of this Article, a person in the territory of the United States who is subject to the laws on coverage of the United Kingdom by virtue of any of the Articles 4 to 6 of this Agreement and who satisfies the contribution conditions applicable to sickness benefit under those laws shall, for the purpose of determining his entitlement to invalidity benefit under those laws:

      (a) be treated as if he were in the territory of the United Kingdom; and

      (b) each day of incapacity for work while in the territory of the United States may, where appropriate, be treated as if it were a day for which he had received sickness benefit under the laws of the United Kingdom.

     17. Any restriction which would otherwise be applicable under the laws of the United Kingdom in the rate of benefit payable to persons who are not ordinarily resident in the territory of the United Kingdom shall not apply to persons in the territory of the United States who are in receipt of invalidity benefit under the laws of the United Kingdom by virtue of the provisions of this Agreement.".

The main issue you should be concerned about is: Why is the government in an agreement over Social Security with the UK, that the Crown can change as it sees fit? Did you know about this beforehand? Is it something you feel you should've known?

Interesting that it came into effect the day after Princess Diana died.

or this one....

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 :P

And you don't...

The most important and best known study on obedience to authority was carried out by Stanely Milgram at Yale University in the early 1960's. His work can be found in the Journal of Abnormal and Social psychology, 67, 371-378 (1963) and in a book authored by him "Obedience to Authority" published by Harper and Row (1974)...

...When a human being was replaced with a puppy in a Milgram type experiment in which actual electricity was used because you can't make a puppy yelp and howl without pain. Only 54 per cent of male participants would administer a genuine electric shock to the puppy. But 100 per cent of the female participants were prepared to give the most severe shock to the howling and yelping puppy.

I wonder where they get that from :P

He is a Christian besides Satanism a term with no real depth in it.

Jarmo needs to make him a title like he did with me and others, rather than that silly custom one. :yes:

How about this: the US ranks near the bottom in most every important category except military expenditures:
education, health care, poverty, crime, knowledge about geography, etc. Thank you Mr. Bush.

I am more than willing to objectively read things that have an honest to goodness source but these days, any nutball can sign onto the net and make webpages for you to find with their own version of truth.



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