Here Today... Gone To Hell!

This was discussed here and there in threads but maybe it's better to have 1 topic to only talk about this.

We have seen a few reports which suggest that when it all starts, it will be a 3 and maybe 4 album release.
Fortus seemed to confirm it (at least in English-Japanese-English translation) and Baz said it at least 3 times to my knowledge....and Axl hinted this too with the amount of songs available.

If true, then a few questions arise I think:

- Will Chinese Democracy be a 3-4 album release or will it be just 1 of the albums, namely the first? And the latter ones will have a different title?

- Will it be 1 album release every year? If that is the case and they announce it like that, it will be like the Star Wars and LOTR thing where everyone waits for the next episode while talking a lot about it.....smart.

- Will they have the same concept but told in another way on each album or will it be just random? Axl said according to Baz that some songs are connected and they need to be heard in the correct order....loosly quoted.

I knew CD would not be a normal release, it would be done in a way that has never been done, which is also the reason why the talks go slower than normal releases.
So seeing these small details come out here and there makes it possible to see what it could be like...although of course we could guess wrong like so many times.

What are your thoughts on this?  :peace:

This is my own speculations based on what i've read/heard

-I don't think all of the music is going to come out as a 4 cd set, itll be each album coming out separately, and they will probably all have different titles unless it is a trilogy in concept

-I think it will probably be 1 or 2 years between albums, maybe less, but maybe longer, I guess it depends on how their deal is

-dont know about any specific concept but i guess the 40 songs in total or whatever could be grouped together according to a running theme per album

speculation is just speculation until we have some hard hitting truth to forsee what is going to happen...

all we can do now is just sit tight and hope for the best

Until Mysteron talks i don't believe anything...

There's a lot of assholes who thinks they're interesting sayin' that they're insiders and know nothing really...

It would be cool though!

Axl himself has been claiming 2 to 3 albums worth of material since at least 02.

Getting it released, now that's the real thing to hope for.

He is much more inside then Baz, Fortus and Axl of course  :peace:

Well I don't think there is much doubt any more, it will be at least 3 albums.

Axl said on Eddie Trunk in '06, something like: "we were actually working on a song today, that's not even gonna be on the first two records...."

But which form the releases are gonna take, is actually to me, more extiting then "the big when-question"

As someone above suggested, it would be cool with a Star Wars/LOTR kinda plan. One album per year for the next whatever......  :)

I totally think they have that much material. And I think Axl's goal is too put out one after another. He has hinted to it and so have others. Bring them on Axl. But don't you give in to the damn record label. You get what you and the guys deserve before you sign on that dotted line. We have waited this long and its not that far away now!!
peace out
amyl

in Jan 06, Axl spoke that 16 somewhat got on Chidem. and that they would have 76 songs completed in 06-07

Look, can we just have the first one?  All these great master plans and we haven't even gotten to the first one yet.  You're trying to look way too far into the future of a house that hasn't established a solid foundation.

bACK IN 1999 Axl told Kurt Loder he had at least 2 albums solidly recorded.... wish i knew what happened between then and now..

Couldn't agree more, even 1 cd with no more than 6 songs will make me happy  :confused:

i believe the band would like to put it all out really fast. songwriting is very important to a musician, what about all the music written in between, let's say last year and 2012 or whenever the 3/4 albums are released?
you're always excited about the last thing you wrote, it's weird from a musician point of view to be aware that it can only be recorded/released in 4 or 5 or 10 years from now.

Did Axl say something at the Korn launch party in 2006?
Something like:
"32 songs - 26 are nearly done - 13 slated for the final album".

I would love to think there is master plan with more than one album coming our way - I have no doubt Axl will satisfy our hungry souls ( 1 album or 3) and think a democracy  album will be this year -
Does any one else remember Axl saying / being qouted.

But Axl is a master planner Cin.

- Will Chinese Democracy be a 3-4 album release or will it be just 1 of the albums, namely the first? And the latter ones will have a different title?

first album chinese democracy, then the two others (2010 and 2012 ?) with different names.

- Will they have the same concept but told in another way on each album or will it be just random? Axl said according to Baz that some songs are connected and they need to be heard in the correct order....loosly quoted.

some songs will have the same concept but will be musically different.
the first LP will probably the most easier to apprehend for older fans, the last one the more modern/experimental.


that's how i see things with the elements we know.

I think  'maybe' in the headline is unnecessary anymore.  ;D


axl baz and richard have confirmed those are single discs to be released separately/one after another.

chinese democracy 1, chinese democracy 2 and chinese democracy 3?

Back in 2001 Axl said that CD will be the a single album but with a bonus cd called PRS (???)... Also he said that the industrial stuff that they recorded wouldn't be on the album...
Then he said several times that they have enough material for 3 or 4 cd's (but not that CD are a 3-4 discs album)

IMO I would like a release kinda box-set with all the material (at least those who Axl consider finished songs)... realesing separate albums through years doesn't have much sense (IMO) 'coz they were composed as part of the same project (like UYI)

there was the AFD 2000 rumor.

Source, please?

He gave some info in the South American interviews after the RIR3 gig (it can be read on HTGTH archive), but I don't remember anything about this PRS thing.

Several songs from UYI were written even before AFD.

There will be a few ways to tell


For instance when CD comes out, if "The General" isnt on it, we know there are more than once CD.

U have to wonder over the years if maybe a big spot of argument with the label has been them wanting to jus take the best overall songs from the three albums and release it as one.

Well Axl himself has directly talked about a "trilogy" before and recent comments seem to back that up.

There's no doubt in my mind that however many albums are released, it will be 1 CD at a time.
I think that it'd be wise to release the albums as "Chinese Democracy I", "Chinese Democracy II", "Chinese Democracy III", etc.
Maybe each one could have a different name, but at this point most people know the name Chinese Democracy for better or worse.

The album(s) have been promoted for the last decade and 'Chinese Democracy' has become a legendary and infamous
name in the music community, so for them to use the name to it's utmost potential would be wise. And it's still a great name.
The name, like the band is still totally relevant. There's still a ton of paranoia surrounding the Chinese and the potential that their nation has.

Imagine this for a laugh..... Axl makes everyone wait for Chinese Democracy another four years releasing it as the third album in 2012. The first two albums are called something else!  ;D

@#$%Funker

name one tibetan Freedom them  :peace:

A trilogy sounds great !!! though I hope that when a release date is announced for
CD1 -
they also announce that there are more to follow.
That would remove any negative press about how much it cost and how long it has taken.
Personally I have never wanted this released until Axl was happy with it all:
Material
Band members
label deal

When everything is in place -
the world can rediscover real music instead of the plastic - manufactured
"music"we have to suffer.

Yeah, and why not name the other albums "Stop Global Warming" and "Cure Cancer" and "Cure Aids".  ::)

Haha, no offense but Tibetan Freedom is a horrible name. Chinese Democracy is a great name because it's contradictory. Something Guns N' Roses has always been in many ways. Think about it, "Guns" and "Roses". They don't go together, they play against each other. One minute Axl's singing a song about tearing your throat out and lusting over girls the next minutes it's a soulful, heartfelt ballad like November Rain.

And it represents the edginess and uneasiness about the future. I love the name "Chinese Democracy". I too hope that we get a release date soon. It's kinda funny. People badmouth Axl and the band then they go to the shows and see them play live and then all skepticism disappears. It's a magical thing.

if there was a Chinese democracy, there would be a freedom for the tibet, shows how much of world  events you guys know lol.

Than why the need for two names for the same cause?

after democracy comes freedom i tought. but you guys are right its a stupid name and lets leave it at that.

Chinese Democracy

Heretodaygonetohell Democracy

Jarmo Intentions

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Funny Moment.

HBK *

The source is argentinian Rolling Stone interview after Rock In Rio III, n' u're right bout the UYI songs written before AFD but then were recorded in the illusions sessions... they wasn't part of plan, they cpuld even record a new version of CraSH dIET n' include it on CD... why not? but there isn't a final version of it

Its unlikely there is any less than 3 or 4 albums worth of material done after all these years.

Yeah but most bands write 40 to 50 songs and whittle it down to the album.

So he may have 3 albums worth of material but how much of that material is more silk worms type than Better?


If he has 3 solid albums of material though, the wait and everything else will no longer matter.

3 or 4 albums of solid material would pretty much double the current GnR discography.  :o

What does PRS stand for, did it say?

axl mentioned having 60-70 instrumentals or songs finished in 1999. you do the math : ok:

no doubt he has enough songs to fit 4 albums BUT are those high quality songs or are there filler and B side type Silkworms stuff.


If he has 4 albums with songs the quality of Better,Maddy, Blues and TWAT we are golden

If a lot of that stuff is Silkworms, OMG type........... Then we will have to wait and see.

well,  i meant, that if gnr already had 70 songs in 1999 and were working on 32 A-list songs in january 2006, we`re probably on the safe side, regarding the quality of the music :peace:

that is true

what really intrigues me right now is, remember back when we heard how there were all sorts of different versions of each song?

Im not sure if we are even allowed to talk about that, its been so long ago I cant remember, so apologies Jarmo if we arent, but just imagine if we ever got to hear that.


I personally want to hear the album described in Rolling Stone that was Pink Floyd/Led Zep mixed by Trent Reznor and Beck i think it was

the electronica industrial album

I wanna hear that

Yeah, I really want to hear the electronica/industrial album as well. I miss the old "werra-werra-weeeeeee" before they kick into 'Chinese Democracy' but the new intro makes sense for a first song on an album and builds some great tension coupled with the scream.

My impression is that the album Chinese Democracy, the first album was going to be a more classic rock sound updated for the 21st Century. In a way classic Guns with a good mixture of sounds from hardcore songs to ballads, awesome well-written lyrics, and everything we've come to love about GNR. Then I think that the 2nd album will be the darkest and the most electronica/industrial. Axl talked about reworking and renaming "Silkworms" which according to Axl's then-girlfriend was her favorite song. I'd also expect "Rhiad and the Bedouins" and "Oh My God" to be on it. I really hope they rework Oh My God a little bit and obvious record with the new band because I love that song's potential and the lyrics.

Then the third album, I have no idea. We can confirm that "The General" is on it, thanks to Baz.

U know though

Silk Worms and Oh My God are two of my favs

Ill take those two over IRS

They were great live, when I heard them years back.

I like IRS a lot too, I don't think you can compare them though. They're totally opposite in sound and no one really knows how they'll sound when they're released so yeah.

i just hope that after CD theres a Use Your Illusions III with all Industrial/techno/pittman and dizzy's Synth type of shit :smoking: :headbanger:

then maybe another greatest hits in 2013 and in 2014......lies II? or a DVD release of all the shit thats happened and went down from 1998 till when ever CD is released. And they shall call it Apetite for Chinese ;D

:peace:

I hope that you're intoxicated or on some sort of medication. No band, let alone one with new members, releases sequels to albums 15 years after the originals.

Sorry pal.

Though that Axl said several times that the industrial stuff they did wouldn't be released... isn't he?
Also think that Josh Freese was very involved with that stuff n' used some of it in A Perfect Circle after leaving Gn'r with the allow of Axl (he is in the thanx on the first APC album, Mer de noms)

Dude, Use Your Illusions man :hihi:


think about it, that title just fits what would be on an industrial album. It would just work

as for Apetite For Chinese, they could have behind the scenes, in the studio, footage of them writting recording, re-recording, anything and everything they have. :drool: think of how Kick ass that would be :drool: it could also have on it how and why everything that leaked leaked and who did it and shit like that........God that would kick ass
:peace:

You have no idea...

As far as the 3, 4 album deal is concerned...

It's my opinion that there isn't a classic rock/industrial/operatic album.  I just think they will use whatever songs they have that will flow the best they can on said record.  I think there will be a little bit of everything on every album.

I would be already be satisfied when 1 album is ever going to be released  : ok:

BUT

if they have more than 1 album ready, then c'mon, release them all together and into one CD-box set! Why not? That would already make enough promotion to have a for example 4-CD-box release with new material. And you should be able to buy or CD 1 - CD 2 - CD 3 - ... seperately but when you buy them all together you should have a nice discount and a 'cool CD-box' with it....

That's what I was thinking, that would be the best  :peace:

In terms of sales i think releasing them once a year would work out better. If you release them all at once you have a big bang, but then it fizzles out and dies(much like the St Anger album and Oasis's Be Here Now). Releasing them a year apart allows the record company to milk out the albums making a maximum profit. I think that one of the releases will be a 2 disk record or have a bonus disk packed in. But hey, we don't even have the first record yet or word of a release date...

I go with the latest Richard info that three albums are already done to be released separately, which seems to be the plan axl has had from the early stage.

It's a complex album, different from any other one.
it will take people some time to digest each release.

plus I'd love their harvest time to last long than short.

I think part of the length of negotitions between new management and the label is pricely because of the amount of material involved. If we had 12 songs, this thing might be figured out by now.
And with today's day and age, anything is possible.
We could see a new CD in stores, with a digital only album online later in the year, perhaps an EP available only at concerts sometime down the road, too.
I'm sure they're going to maximize the profit potential as much as possible and with the old structure of how to release and market CDs a thing of the past, Im sure they'll find some creative avenues to get all of the music released.

Axl, well GNR owes the record company one record right, maybe they are negociating the price for the other ones..
Give them hell Rose

are you sure about the one record right?


agreed. and I imagine when we hear the release date for the first one, we'll also here more about the successors.

:idea: reportedly Richard told the Japanese magazine that the band and the label hadn't struck an agreement about the way of releasing it but? maybe they are setting up the few releases all together. Just a thought.


my 'contact' told me that a song called 'lame joke' should be on it. :hihi:

Meatloaf released Bat Out Of Hell II, 20 years after Bat Out Of Hell.  Both albums went to number 1.

Not to mention Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime II, Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells II and III, Jean Michel Jarre's Oxygene 7-13, (does Beatles' Let it be ... naked count?) and those are just the ones off the top of my head. There must be even more, for sure.

My God, lets pray we don't get anything even remotely akin to Meatloaf's recent work. Thank God we know the leaked stuff is good.

Okay, unless you're Meatloaf, no one releases sequels to albums decades later. And he's his own band, so you ruined it all.

Ruiner.

Sequel to Use Your Illusion?

Why do you think that would be likely?


I mean, GN'R could release an industrial type of album without it having to be related to UYI in any way!





/jarmo

Sorry bro.

 Actually Meatloaf Bat Out Of Hell I and II were written totally by a guy named Jim Steinman.  Meatloaf was the singer for Jim's songs.  Just some trivia for all you music buffs.

i'm not saying they would have to for it to sell i'm saying it would mean something like an idea from the past meets new songs from the future. I'm saying that it would be fucking sweet to have it be called that because no one woulad have heard the stuff thats on there now cuase no ones ever done anyting like that before and people will have to use there mind to find an answer to it in order to figure out what it is for themseilves. they'd have to "Use There Illions",............man :hihi:

:peace:

Madagascar has a quote from a Civil War quote, that's more than enough past for me  :peace:

and didn't some interview report that some songs were about the past? on Chinese democracy and not on the illusionary indus album tho.

Oh no we're not back to this again.

One album would be great anything else is a bonus IMO.

I'm sure there are more than enough "Remixes" of the songs that the band themselves have compiled in a multitude of different styles to fully explore the musical possibilities of each song.

What I'd like, and hey, this is cloud cuckooland is...

"Chinese Democracy" released December 2008. CD / Special Edition CD+DVD+Book / LP / download. Preview it with an absolutely killer first song and put some of the alt mixes on the flip.

Maybe release a "making of" Movie that really lays the bullshit we've heard over the years for the BS it is and gives the band their chance to set that record straight.

CD Tour 2009.  A Live DVD release from the tour.

"Album Two" early 2010. Same formats. Tour 2010-11.

Tour Documentary DVD 2010.

"Album Three" late 2011. Same formats.

Live DVD 2012 with almost exclusively 'new' stuff. We may be moaning about the lack of an album, but when the album hits and GNR only play 5 songs from 1987-93, we'll be moaning they don't do "My Michelle" or ""Out Ta Get Me" anymore. I know it.

We all know GNR have recorded a ton of material. It will come out. No way anyone;s been working this hard to keep it hidden away.

thats what i said but call it "Apetite for Chinese" ;D

i don't care who you are thats a good idea right there
:peace:

sweet and sour chicken.  :-\
doesn't sound like something to set the record straight.

Great suggestions, and hopefully that's the way it pans out. A real behind the scenes documentary of some sort would be really appreciated particularly by long time fans, even if they don't have 'behind the scenes footage' from recording sessions etc over the years, they can still have extensive interviews with all the people involved, producers, band members, collaborators etc, all the people who couldn't really say anything about their involvement in the album "in the past".

Regarding the setlists, I'd like to imagine that, with the possibility of 3 or 4 new albums coming out over time, the majority of the old songs will all disappear, unless they MUST keep a few old hits in i.e. "Sweet Child of Mine", "Welcome to the Jungle" etc. But we'll see about that when the time comes.

I remember hearing that around the UYI days, axl really pushed to have the double album released because he wanted to get all of the band's (then) current material "off their collective chest" to show the world the current state of the band or something like that...  there's no greater predictor of the future than the past... my bet is on multiple albums coming out simultaneously... maybe Chinese Democracy will be released as a box set and a single album (kind of like Radiohead In Rainbows - special edition was a double album).

my sentiments exactly

LoL

You can say what you want, and it's cool to speculate, but me... myseld, after talking about this same crap for 3-4 years... I'll be glad when we get a single/album/video or something...

something...

something... that's the word

I don't know if soon is the word - Axl 2002

I guess soon wasn't the word

Everything coming out of the GnR camp points at multiple albums, not just 1....so the sarcastic argument by some that "I will be glad if they can release just 1 album, hahaha that was a funny comment be me, woohoo" is useless  :peace:

The fact that there are allegedly multiple albums, actually explains a lot regarding everything....be it the time spent working on it, the money, the promotion, the build up, the negotiations going slow, the direction of the music, etcetera : ok:

How classic was that? ^^^

No album and people want to say this or say that.

We don't have 1 album. So talking about 3 or 4 is much more "useless" than worrying about the first.

You're a fool if you disagree.

Too much kool-aid today?  :peace:

We are talking about what was said in interviews by the ones who heard it and who are actually playing on them....I think their opinion is more worth then your whining  : ok:

"We're friends, no enemies..." Duff McKagan at Buenos Aires, Argentina 12/05/92 ...  :hihi:

what's wrong with some forward looking discussion?
there's food for thought repeatedly provided by the band.

If you don't like it, stay away from it.

i think that everyone is missing it so blankly

It is okay to talk about 3 and 4 albums of stuff, because there probably is a lot of songs...

I say we should focus on CD and not worry about 3 or 4 other albums. That's dumb.

I like Kool-Aid

I inject it in my eyes to help me see.

WE should focus on the first album which is yet to come, just like the second one or third?

I'd say that's dumb.

thats true ;) : ok:

How cares how it all will work out. We know there is alot of material left for more albums in the future. Do we need to know more than that?
The release of CD is around the corner, and thats enough for me..=)   For now ;)  : ok:

Our "focus" isn't going to have any effect one way or another!  We don't have anything to do with the project, nor do we have anything much to talk about right now!  So what's the harm of a little speculation?  What will happen will happen . . . 

No harm, what so ever.. i guess, thats what messageboards are about... Speculating, and discussing.. hehe..
Mainly discussing, but we havent got the "material" to discuss yet, so here comes the speculatings.. Its fun, what so ever.

Would be cool if they would release the setlist of the album. That would give us something to talk about for another 6 months..  :hihi:

exactly.  rather than making negative, idle and smartass speculation that gets us nowhere, lets speculate on the forthcoming albums axl richard and baz have actually mentioned.
It's fun now and we can laugh at our imagination later. probably the band can laugh as well if they see it.

I think I do believe this now I think about it

no way Axl has spent this much time on just one album.

 :o


Are you absolutely sure?





/jarmo

i really hope the multiple album theory/ specualtion/ mentions buy different "offical" sources, is true.

Its just so uncertain in GnR world, thatno one seriously knows what the fuck is going on. i'm sure axl has recorded dozens of tracks, but who is to say he hasn't scrapped most now and kept 12 for Cd and thats it? he apparently scrapped the "industrial album" so anythings possible..

I think we have heard it from enough differens sources to take it as truth.
Richard
Sebastian
Axl himself

who else should mention it?

Look people. There probably is at least 3 albums ready to go I would say.

But why talk about it? It's not important. What is important is that Gn'R haven't done anything productive in almost 2 years now, and we still don't have a cd.

Go ahead and complain and argue about it. Stop being so damn hostile.

It's the truth

didn't dizzy say silkworms would be on one of succeeding albums?

Feel better now?

Yeah, looking ahead is not important, it's only important to whine and bitch.

 ::)


What do you know about what GN'R has or hasn't done?





/jarmo

What do you know about what GN'R has or hasn't done?





/jarmo
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Well not much if any because , unlike so many before, there is no fucking way the fans know anything, because they are totally treated like the enemy.  We have suffered as fans for far to long, wow imagine that fans having to suffer from a little prick that would never be anything if it wasnt for the loyalty and respect we unimportant peon's had to offer.

Looking ahead is fine. I still look forward to CD.

Although, I get irritated with all these "we have to have at least 4 albums lined up"

does it matter?

we don't have 1 album lined up yet.. lol

Suffered?

My God.....


You can choose to end your so called suffering. It's really easy. Find something else to focus on.


It seems like only people who feel they're owed are the ones suffering.




Yeah, being positive irritates you. Makes perfect sense.

As soon as there's some good news, you're there shouting "but we don't even have one album!".

It doesn't change the fact that there's more then one album of material.






/jarmo

I do belive he said something like that. But im not sure where the source were from

When i talked to Dizzy in Oslo, he did say they had re-recorded "Oh My God".



GnR could have done tons of recording and writing since the tour ended.

4 albums worth of material, is what has been recorded, but no one knows how many song thay actually have written since 2006, which not is recorded yet..

but now there is nothing...

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

HBK *

I Remember Friend.

 :beer:

HBK *

Well not much if any because , unlike so many before, there is no fucking way the fans know anything, because they are totally treated like the enemy.  We have suffered as fans for far to long, wow imagine that fans having to suffer from a little prick that would never be anything if it wasnt for the loyalty and respect we unimportant peon's had to offer.
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coldenim: It is really difficult for me to respond to your post without saying anything in the form of rude insults that you can sue me for. But your view on things in life seems to be so fundamentally wrong that I have to have a go while trying to keep it on a polite level.

Firstly, you write as if you have already paid for the album, or for information about it, and not received the goods. In which case, of course, you would have the right to be unhappy and "suffer", and of course complain. But I assume you haven't paid for it (although, based on the logic of your post, I don't reject the possibility that you could be capable of doing such an "unusual" thing)

Listen: No person, you or any other, has the right to demand or expect that Axl, GN'R or any other person or group of persons do you any favour. You alone are responsible for your own happiness. Sure, other people may help you if they want, but that is entirely their own choice. The same thing goes the other way as well: GN'R members are more valuable to the world than you are, but that does not give them the right to demand or expect anything from you. You have the right to hope for more information, I do that too and would appreciate it, but that is GN'R's decision and I'm sure they have good reasons for what they do.

Then, there is the "egg and the hen" thing about fans and their idols that you and many other people have misunderstood. The fans didn't make Axl. Axl's talent would have made him successful and give him fans sooner or later anyway. The majority of the most talented people in the world succeed and/or become idolised by other people to a certain extent, regardless if their talent is singing, daytrading or playing hockey. People who are good at what they do will always be looked up to, and Axl is one of them. He has earned his success because he is more talented than the mass of "unimportant peons" you claim to be a part of, and rightly so. If people have the right talent and work hard, it is poor luck that prevents them from succeeding. You can say that GNR were lucky with the timing and all that, but at the end of the day it is the quality and brilliance of what they did - everything about them were better than other bands and artists at the time - that gave them millions (?) of loyal and respectful fans.


There you have it: I am right, and you are wrong. I can hope that you review your opinion like any sensible person, but I don't have the right to demand it or expect it.

Nail on the head, well said, the rest of the post too.

No one is saying people can't discuss it in an assertive manner...in fact, that is what discussions with content need.

But talking like someone stole money from them and therefor it gives them a "right" to whine about positive things in a sarcastic way...down-talking people like Axl who have more potential in their finger nail then all the whiners combined have in their entire bodies....what's the point?  :peace:

Where's Mysteron when you need him to end this bitchfest?

Edit: Oh wait...that's right, he's probably enjoying his life and not complaining about what GNR does or doesn't do.

coldenim: It is really difficult for me to respond to your post without saying anything in the form of rude insults that you can sue me for. But your view on things in life seems to be so fundamentally wrong that I have to have a go while trying to keep it on a polite level.

Firstly, you write as if you have already paid for the album, or for information about it, and not received the goods. In which case, of course, you would have the right to be unhappy and "suffer", and of course complain. But I assume you haven't paid for it (although, based on the logic of your post, I don't reject the possibility that you could be capable of doing such an "unusual" thing)

Listen: No person, you or any other, has the right to demand or expect that Axl, GN'R or any other person or group of persons do you any favour. You alone are responsible for your own happiness. Sure, other people may help you if they want, but that is entirely their own choice. The same thing goes the other way as well: GN'R members are more valuable to the world than you are, but that does not give them the right to demand or expect anything from you. You have the right to hope for more information, I do that too and would appreciate it, but that is GN'R's decision and I'm sure they have good reasons for what they do.

Then, there is the "egg and the hen" thing about fans and their idols that you and many other people have misunderstood. The fans didn't make Axl. Axl's talent would have made him successful and give him fans sooner or later anyway. The majority of the most talented people in the world succeed and/or become idolised by other people to a certain extent, regardless if their talent is singing, daytrading or playing hockey. People who are good at what they do will always be looked up to, and Axl is one of them. He has earned his success because he is more talented than the mass of "unimportant peons" you claim to be a part of, and rightly so. If people have the right talent and work hard, it is poor luck that prevents them from succeeding. You can say that GNR were lucky with the timing and all that, but at the end of the day it is the quality and brilliance of what they did - everything about them were better than other bands and artists at the time - that gave them millions (?) of loyal and respectful fans.


There you have it: I am right, and you are wrong. I can hope that you review your opinion like any sensible person, but I don't have the right to demand it or expect it.
[/quoteIts  it is

 It is not a favor I am after, it is frusterating to not get any news from a band that you have supported and adored for decades.  My genuine anger is not reflective of of how I really feel about the most enigmatic figure in music today, it was just a little jeer directed from one human being to the next, sorry didnt mean to call the mob, or play God in front of your messiah.  All in honesty I respect your opinion, even if toolish, I am sorry to offend you newbie one.  It stand a reason when your most beloved yet hated band, is so far in the depths of illusion, and self gratifying decadence, that it cant even see the forest from the trees.  For you to just sit on the throes of anger because I talked so abruptely, it seems if you were as intrigued, bewildered and pissed off from the black hole of silence as I am sir, respectively, then you might just indeed be on the inside of things, and know something that I am in the dark about.  Art and music is a dying fucking thing, someone as passionate as myself toward axls epic vision 'at the end of the day I am just a fan like you, whether years go by like the clouds in the sky, on my death bed before I die,  I would like to sit and cry, and ask why...










When in the fuck does chinese democracy start now!!!!!!!!!!!

I think I need to knock of a 6 pack of beers after reading the first sentence of that post...

anyone that actually has time to read all of coldenims post needs to find a girl... and quik!

I want a beer, n' a girl, n' chinese democracy 6 cd's box-set right now! I think after all these years of supporting Axl owe me a girl...  :hihi:

maybe a chinese one...

Sebastian Bach are playing in Oslo tomorrow, and once again he is confirming, that GNR has recorded 4 albums, and that Chinese Democracy has been finished for a time no, and in the hands of the buisness peopleHe also Confirm that he have talked to Slash about doing some music together, but NOT WITH VELVET REVOLVER.

you can ready baz answer on norwegian fans questions here: http://www.kjendis.no/2008/06/02/536957.html

PS: Lots of GnR talks..


EDIT: There is now also a video! Where he talks a bit about Chinese Democracy!! Cool! http://www.kjendis.no/2008/06/02/536957.html

thanks nytunz wish I could read it.

Judging from the video 4 albums' worth of material is completed and
the release of cd is in the hands of business people (and not of axl) now.

^^from the Q&A

tred of guns n roses questions? heres one more :D

      hey man

      love your new album,

      but do you have any small clue on chinese democrazy for us???
      And will you go on any more tours with gnr again somewhere in time?

      stig
      Innsendt av: stig-thore gr?n?s

Glad you love the album. I can not speak for AXL - the album will come out someday though. We have all heard it and love it! Yes, Axl has talked about more gigs in the future. Nothing is planned as of yet.

Sebastian, Johnny and Metal Mike
-------------------------------------------------

      I got some more questions if that's okay? :)

      - Are you working on new material now to a new solo album?
      - Which song do you like the best; By Your Side
      or I Remember You?

      I'm also a big fan of the current Guns N' Roses, so if you don't mind, can you answer me these questions.
      - What's your favourite track on Chinese Democracy?
      - I know you're singing on the track "Sorry", so what do you think about it? What kind of attitude has it?
      - Do you think I could expect a release of the album in 2008?

      Thanks for answering my questions. I hope to hear more awesome songs from you soon. :)
      Innsendt av: Christopher

So glad you love the new CD. Yes we are starting to work on new material for our next album. Also, I am collaborating with Jamie Jasta from Hatebreed on songwritting along with Metal Mike, Johnny .... we will have tons and tons of new kick ass shit for your ear hole. I like By Your Side a lot because its fresh and we are shooting a vide for it soon! Favorite Chinese Democracy track is The General or IRS!!! Sorry is a great and and ..... sorry I don't know when its coming out

Sebastian
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ANGEL DOWN

      How does it feel to have the BEST FRONTMAN EVER on your record , ON THREE SONGS ?? And the intro of the first track reminds me alot of extreme - decadence dance!!!!!
      Innsendt av: Yves

Thank you very much for the compliment!
Glad you dig the record, i'm glad you like those three songs. >I'm assuming you're talking about back in rthe saddle, stuck inside and love is a bitchslap. I don't think of myself as the best frontman ever,, but thanks!

Did you know that Axl Rose from guns and roses was also on those three songs?

Thanks FunkyMonkey.  :D I didn't know you speak Norwegian language.


 :hihi:

Sebastian Bach's bassist Rob De Luca comments on Chinese Democracy in this audio interview...

He says in part..

I have heard a lot of the record..it's absolutely great.  I have heard a bunch of stuff that Bumblefoot is on...amazingly beautiful stuff.  Frank has been put on some stuff...it's (Chinese Democracy) really good.

Interview here (his remarks come about in the middle of Sebastian in the photo :D): http://web.mac.com/chiakiplay/tokyolover.com/Podcast/Entries/2008/6/2_Metal_Moment_Episode_08.html

Credit to Blabbermouth.net

Monday, June 2, 2008

Thankz Friends... Good Info.

 :beer:

HBK *

A little better transcription from Blabbermouth of the De Luca interview...

"I have heard a lot of the record at the after-parties [during the GUNS N' ROSES/SEBASTIAN BACH tour] when it's just kind of private and Axl [Rose, GN'R singer] decides to play some stuff and it's great, it's absolutely great. I've heard a bunch of stuff Bumblefoot's [guitar] on, amazingly beautiful stuff and Frank [Ferrer], the drummer, has been put on some stuff, but I have no idea when it's gonna come out.

"I was a big fan of the original GN'R. They were a big influence of mine and I love them very much and if it wasn't great now, I would probably be very disappointed because I loved it so much from the beginning.

"It really is amazing, it's so good the way it is. It's slightly different but it's just equally as great in a different way you know. I think 99% of the audience felt that on the tours. It was still a supergroup and Axl is a sweetheart of a guy. We were very blessed to be on that tour and they treated us very well, but I don't know any information about that record other than it's very good."

Thanks god De Luca is not speaking in japanese, unlike richard in the japanese guitar magazine interview.  :P


Yay! I think so too. he almost said all of the audience.

Diggin the DeLuca interview. Makes me want to hear this bitch now. Sounds amazing.  :crying:

So is that the first time anyone has confirmed The General is on Chinese Democracy?
I'm salivating just thinking about it, brilliant!!! : ok:
I always think about one of the last Axl interviews from 92 where he described his role in the band as the general directing everything around him.

i found that funny too :)

and funkymonkey probably don't speak norwegian but if you'd scroll down the norwegian website there were english questions and answers from baz, the first questions were just the magazines questions i guess, then there were a bunch of other questions : ok:

Damn, I wish I was the pizza delivery guy who got the call for that after-show party that night when Axl was spinning these records for these guys

Maybe 3 or even 4 albums.....suggested by a few insiders now


I'd be happy with one.

Exactly. I can't believe people are already discussing these hypothetical next 3 studio albums when in the last decade we haven't had a single one.

People just seem to focus on the soundbites that they want to believe and elaborate on them to bizarre levels. I'm all for optimism, but anyone who's been supporting this band through the years should know that plans constantly change and very rarely seem to come to fruition.

The whiners started posting here again.

Fortus even suggested multiple albums...it's not a conspiracy theory anymore, so nay-sayers, move along  :peace:

Actually, I think people on here are being realistic and optimistic at the same time

Hoping for one record right now, let alone 3 is being optimistic ...

But I think 1 will come out soon, so if 1 does, then of course its possible to believe another 2 after that,

but people are keeping grounded saying that they would just like one before we contemplate any more records....

ya dig?

Nah, most are being sarcastic when they say it  :peace:

Again, if the ones who are writing for and  playing on the albums are suggesting it, then I think it's a done deal.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Would that be a done deal like the 2006 release, the 2004 one, RIR3 appearance, the street team, the fan club or the Harley Davidson ad?

Nothing in the GNR world is a done deal until its right in front of you. That goes for gigs, albums and anything else. Label people whiners all you like. Compared to blind-stupid optimism in the face of past history, its a compliment.

3...4...10 albums?  Seriously?  This band hasn't put out a thing in over 10 years.  What makes anyone think that they'll be putting anything out ever?  Axl is smart, he plays shows and has people believing that his band is going to put out more music.  It's all BS.  He's leading us all on and we're buying into it, just like he wants.  And to all those people who are going to rip me... show me some proof that there is an album in the works.  Not quotes from Axl or Baz... not unfinished demos that made their way around... some real proof.  There are alot of bands that put demos together that never put out albums. his band is just another one of them.  Chinese Democracy ended in 1998!  : ok:

what the fuck are you doing here if you actually believe what your saying is true?

If you really do believe what you are saying is true,
then your a fuckin idiot for coming here ..

Coming here, to spread false negativety with no truth or reasoning behind it,
and calling gnr and axl a lier for over 10+years worth of work,
then you really are a douchebag

False negativity?  Axl's been feeding us BS since the mid 90's.  Just pointing that out to everyone who's got the blinders on.  You got any proof?  Any?

Oh and PS... yiou don't know me, so don't call me a fucking idiot.  You wanna say something constructive and disagree with me, that's cool, but don't call me a fucking idiot...  hiding behind your computer like a fuckin loser.  My opinion is just as valid as yours.

Are you gonna feel like an idiot....




/jarmo

I can't wait to see how many of these people come back here and admit how wrong they were when it comes out!  I really hope they have enough balls to do it after they come on here just to tell us how stupid we are for being optimistic!

Who wanna bet that the same ones who whine about discussing the 3 or 4 albums will whine about them as soon as the first one is released? "Oh, it will take 10 years too". "Oh, it NEEDS to be like AFD". "Oh, it needs this and that". There's always something to complain.

What's the fucking problem in discussing a bigger plan? It's not like it will stop us to have the first one. And if we know it's the plan, we know it's almost finished (at least the recording), why wouldn't we talk about this?

Just a tip: you don't have to read and post in this thread, you know....

good call voodoo and bodine.
yep me too won't forget who said what and when.


You got any proof then? It's people like you who've been feeding fans BS since the mid 90s. haters opinion doesn't count.

HA!  Where's the album?  When's the release date?  Where's the promotion?  Where's the record company telling people to anticipate it? 

How am I spreading BS?  I'm just making a point that we have not seen anything solid concerning this album.  Hearsay for 12 years?  That's what proof we have that there is an album on the way?  Like I said, bands make demos and nothing comes of them.  Bands record albums and nothing comes of them all the time.  I'm a fan of the band and will be if and when these supposed albums come out.  And I am still waiting for someone to show me some proof that there is even an album being worked on.  Anyone?

Make as many personal attacks as you want.  You know why you do that?  Because you have no evidence as to what I asked and you are being defensive.  Any proof?  Anyone?

Do you have any proof that you actually exist?


Nobody needs to prove shit to you. You're just acting like a typical troll ignoring things that have been said by multiple sources. It's not a fucking conspiracy.

Go look for the quotes yourself.


/jarmo

Jarmo's getting angry.  HAHAHA!  You're right, nobody needs to prove anything to me, a loyal supporter of the band for over 20 years.  Why the hate Jarmo?  I've seen the quotes... what does that prove?  People say stuff all the time that isn't true to promote an agenda.  Not saying it's a conspiracy, just a bunch of hearsay at this point.  Until I see some solid evidence that there is something being worked on (and by the way, every single band in the world promotes what they're doing to their fans during recording and prerelease) I will not take anything said about this album as true.  Bands release their 1st single to radio stations weeks before albums are released to get the hype rolling, and I can tell you there is no single in the works... and that's no hearsay. 

Why are you arguing about proof the album exists?  Sure, we're all frustrated that it's not released.  But I think enough different sources have commented to confirm that it exists and it's finished.  I don't need to see a T-Rex walk down my street to know that dinosaurs probably existed.

Angry? Hardly. Your type is pretty common. Nothing to get angry over.




What a loyal supporter you are!

Claiming the band lies to you.







I don't know what radio has to do with the fact that GN'R has recorded an album and that its release is currently being negotiated.


Keep living in your bubble.  ::)




/jarmo

THEY'VE LIED TO ALL OF US.  What was the release date for the album?  What was it changed to?  Where's the album?

Radio has to do with promotion.  Bands use radio as a tool to get their upcoming release some hype.  Are you saying that the band won't release any material to radio?  If so... that would be a first for a band with the stature of GNR.  You better believe that they'll be releasing a 1st single to radio stations and I'm telling you that there is nothing in the works.  If they aren't releasing a single anytime soon, there will not be an album released anytime soon.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and man enough to admit it.  I just don't see anything that proves there will be a release.

No, they haven't.



Release date or TENTATIVE release date?

You see, you make shit up in order to prove yourself right.

That's like lying to yourself in order to validate your frustrations.






Ok, let me get your idea straight here. So just because there's no radio single on June 5th, 2008, it means the album can never be released?

Now you're saying "anytime soon", earlier you were saying there's no album period.

Which one is it?




I don't see any proof of you being a "loyal supporter" that exist in the real world.



/jarmo

You're right, it was a tentative release date, but they did say that we would hear it by the end of the year right?  I said that there isn't a single in the works which means within the next couple of months, we shouldn't expect an album.  I wasn't saying that there would never be anything released.  If you misunderstood me, I appologize, but I never said no album at all.

All I'm saying is that all of what we've heard is speculation... nothing solid in over 10 years.  Is that not true?

I do appreciate that jarmo can have a logical discussion unlike some of the others who have dismissed what I'm saying.  And to everyone who thinks differently, I want an album as mush as the rest of you.  If I didn't, I wouldn't spend the money I do on this band... buying merch and bootlegs and visiting messege boards.  I'm as dork about GNR as all of you.

I'm gonna jump in here and say that I totally agree with the last part. The thing that bothers me is that I don't care who says how much material is recorded or how great it is, I just want the chance to hear it for myself.

I have heard several times how they wanted it out in the past.

Still don't consider those as lies.




Funny, because your attitude was a bit different earlier today:








I wouldn't call what Axl has said as speculation.

Speculation comes from people like yourself.




/jarmo

HA!  Those are just the rants of a lunatic at 7am... you're right though, that is what I said... and thinking about it now, that isn't what I wanted to say.  You're right though, I can admit that.

I don't think though that I have speculated about anything, just asking questions.  I'd love to believe what Axl is saying, but I haven't read or heard anything to make me believe it's true.

And PS... I love a good debate.  This has made my workday so much more enjoyable.

Where the bloody hell did you appear from? This slight lull in activity brings all kind of people like you out, just  like slugs and snails on a wet night!

Mike

Been here for about a year and a half.  Nice to meet you.

This is my 100th post?  I thought it would come with more insight and fanfare. lol

Tommy told Kerrang in 2004 that the album was ready for mastering.

Axl said in 2006 'it is this year'. Not 'it might be this year', not 'it'll be this year if all goes to plan' - 'it IS this year'.

Merck told us there were 13 Tuesdays left in 06 and the album would be released on one of them - at that time he was under GNR's employ and could certainly legally release no such statement without Axl's say so.

Axl said if the March 2007 release date wasn't met we would be kept informed. It's June 2008. Axl hasn't personally issued a statement regarding the album in the last 15 months.

It is not a matter of opinion whether GNR fans have been lied to or not. Claiming otherwise is being every bit as blind and unbalanced as the naysayers. Without question, GNR fans were definitively promised an album in 2006 and that promise was broken. Sure, it was more than likely broken through necessity and circumstance - but promises should not be made to a legion of fans unless you are certain you can fulfill them.

I don't blame Axl for the way he's acted one bit. I understand he's in a unique position in the music world - unique in his standing, his band situation, and the challenges he faces. That doesn't mean his champions have to deny what has happened thus far, nor that his fans have to pretend he's flawless.

Now I could be wrong but it was my understanding that Axl said we'd HEAR music this year in 2006.  Which we did.  We heard the band play live, some new songs both leaks and live performances.  I don't remember him saying we'd have the album in our hands this year (2006).  And I also don't remember Merck saying the album would be released on one of the last 13 Tuesdays of the year in 2006.  I remember him saying that could be an option (which Axl later refuted).  But I don't ever remember him saying that it was for sure gonna be released without notice by years end.  As for Axl not keeping us informed.  You're right he hasn't come out with an official press release telling us the status of the album.  That'd be nice if he had, but I never really thought that would happen.  If you think Axl's all of a sudden gonna start blogging and letting us know what's going on in his head every day, you've got another thing coming.  I'm sure if he had something concrete to tell us, he would.  We'll just have to wait until then.  If you're not used to that by now I'm not sure what band you've been following all these years.

At the VMA backstage interview Axl was asked if the album was coming out soon. He responded "It is this year".

Still going on about that?

You got the explanation from Axl himself in December 2006.





/jarmo

Okay, I vaguely remember that.  Just did a quick search for it on youtube and couldn't find it.  He did address that in his open letter though, didn't he?

Yep, things were cleared in the open letter. But people read over it and focussed on other little things to whine about.

I mean, why be positive and optimistic when you can be negative and pessimistic....oh right, because they think they have already paid for the albums :peace:

2 months and 2 days to the olympics....


their goes that supposed (coincide release with the olympics ) theory...

Who are the insiders ? I don't think the band members are...
What about the new management or the record company (account manger; I don't
know how it works in this business...

Last words : Keep positive ! This year it will be (must be) released !

CU

Screw 3 or 4 albums....just release A album already!

At this point, honeslty i would sttle for some news at least

I bet their in neogations with not just releasing Chinese Democracy but also the other material they have as well.  I know there still in talks about releasing I asked that a while back, but what I really ment to ask was are they closer to getting a deal done or is it going slowly ?

I kinda hope CD is the second or third one released, it would be cool to get a record full of totally new songs and be able to return to the likes of TWAT and Better in a few years.

I'm curious what the album titles are going to be. We all think the album will be called "Chinese Democracy" however that may be the name of the series? Simple would be Chinese Democracy I, II, III, etc. or more complicated it could be "Chinese Democracy: Revenge" or "Chinese Democracy: Sorrow", etc. I mean the names are cheesy, but you get the idea.

I hope that all the material we heard in 2006 is on the first album.  :smoking:

Maybe Chinese Democracy will be just a single album... 13 tracks... (maybe included a bonus cd)... the other songs recorded could be use in the future (or not) like they included AFD era songs in UYI n' covers recorded during UYI era in TSI

alejoyp, did you see the quotes at all? :confused:


yea I should have gone back to the site. :hihi:


I don't think so. General has been mentioned several times as one of the 3/4 albums worth of chinese democracy material several times. and juding from baz comments, it will very likely be on the third not on the first.

"There is 2 records, the majority of the music's done and the majority of the vocal's done, and there's another half of a record thats being worked on. We were actually working on a song a little bit tonight thats not even on the first two records."

From Axl's radio appearance on Trunk's show.

And another tibit that I been having in my email for years now, nothing major but intresting nevertheless.
I sent email to the CS on beltrami's site in 04 I think, here's the reply:

In all, marco did writing and arrangements for 8 gnr songs of which we'veheard possibly 4 will be on the 1st new album but who knows and who knowswhen its really coming out. I'm sure you can understand why we cannot postsamples on the website.Best,buck

Whats new to some people is that it's 8, not 4. :peace:

We know 4 of the tentative titles of the songs that marco worked on.  Do we know if the titles of any those songs have changed?  just curious.

Isnt this topic breaking the rules?

surely you guys are talking about something that doesnt officially exist / hasnt been released?

which are the songs hes worked on?

Thyme, The General, Leave Me Alone, and Seven.

do you know if any of the tracks exists in demo form?

'Leave Me Alone', 'Seven' 'The General' and 'Thyme' are refered by marco I believe. But the general seems to be on a latter album so....

thanks norway for the input.


uh uh. It's based on the comments publicly stated. Nothing illegal.

Big chance they do I would say, but you never know what Axl's intentions were and still is.

I really hope the 2nd album is industial meets psyedelic rock meets GNR gritty-ness. That'd be soo awesome. Maybe get some gothic flares in there?

Where's Mysteron when you need him?

The second leans probably a little more to aggressive electronica with full guitars, where the first one is definitely more guitar-based.

Who knows, looking forward to Chi...err, the second album :hihi:

When i saw GnR in London in 2002, he said something about "maybe then we'll be done with the third albumn..." 

However, waiting for the first is about all i can take.  I dont care how it comes out, i'll take what i can get.

Personally each album I think will have a different theme , a different message if you will,
and all the songs for that cd will reflect that message in some way

I guess the albums together are a good package. They are all different, with different approaches and styles from each other and from the past Guns N' Roses records. ( yep I'm adjusting axl's comments on his 3 angels down tracks)


and people will be quite surprised to see one chinese democracy, let alone three.

Sebastian Bach was/is still on Sirius Faction 28 doing a phone interview with Jason Ellis.  He was asked about Chinese Democracy and he said that Axl played him 4 albums worth of material back in January 2007 and he assumed they were all set to go.  He then said he talked to Axl just last week and that he told him that he didn't have 4 albums ready for release.  He told him to stop saying that, and that he is concentrating on the ONE album and it will be out when he's ready to release it.  So, no 4 albums, confirmed by Sebastian Bach.  Whatever that's worth.  I don't think anyone actually truly believed we'd get 4 simultaneous albums, but anyway.

I just used my illusions... didn't work... but anyway, let's hope the next album will be out soon! (N' Baz stop talkin'!). Keep thinkin' that release just 13-14 songs after all these years... I don't kown... maybe a bonus cd as Axl said once (back in 2001)...

No. Not simultaneously  but sequentially, one by one,  I hope.

Well it depends.  I think it's clear Axl does have 3 or 4 albums worth of material, but he's not ready to release them all.  Baz has heard the material, thought it was ready for release, but Axl told him he's focussing on the ONE album.  Who knows what the plan is after that.  I'd like to think we'd get 3 more down the line but I think we have to see how things go with number 1, most importantly get it out there first.

Lets think about this

If Axl does sign an exclusive agreement, It is POSSIBLE, not saying it will happen but it would be possible to have a mega boxset with 3 cds, a dvd, and this and that, sell it for 100 dollars.

THEN

Have a regular Chinese Democracy CD on sale and then have a best of the 3 cds that come in the boxset.


So u would have at one time:

Boxset 100 dollars walmart would purchase for 50 each
Chinese Democracy 10 dollars WM woudl purchase for 5 each
best of 15 dollars wally would purchase for 7.50 each


Three exclusive products at one time.

Say Walmart agrees to buy 200k boxsets   that is 10 million
Walmart buys 2 million copies of CD at say 5 dollars a copy  another 10 million
wally buys 3 million of the best of at 7.50 each that is 22.5 million


CD costs 14 million to make  say 5 million to promote, Label expenditures 19 million

Profit from the above  42.5 million dollars.

HUGE success.

Well I know AC/DC is putting out a live DVD before the release of their album at wal mart.  If GnR did they same I would like to see a live show from 06,07 tour that would be cool.  What would be on the 3 cd's AFD re recorded ? I know for sure it won't be the other material they have.  early demo versions ?

They could just put everything they've done up to this point thats ready to in there. Just wipe the slate clean on the entire CD era of GNR and start anew.

We did hear of 3 different versions of each song, So if they didnt want to give away new material they plan to release, they could put a CD of alternate versions, and a CD of B Sides that aren't gonna make any of the three cds.

I say just release it all at one time

The reason being, A song may work now, but in 3 years, it may not be relevant anymore, plus most musicians are constantly writing and recording new material, so why not just wipe the slate clean and start over from scratch while making a huge profit?

Lets get the first one out before we start worrying about the rest!

I think that was Axl's point in telling Baz to cool it with the 4 albums info.  He wants to get #1 out there first and foremost.  Anything after that is a bonus in my eyes.

Oh it will be out this year or Jarmo can ban me from this board.  That's how confident I am for 2008.  Simply just put out a 2006 DVD of a show or 2007 from Japan which I would prefer.

would be cool to get like a compilation dvd from the first 4 NY shows in 06 and a compilation of the last japan shows in 07.. then u can see how much the new songs changed over the period and it's all just awesome, would probably be the coolest IMO

Im sure we will get something special with the release of the album besides a Dr Pepper   :beer: maybe its a DVD or management has some surprise, STAY TUNED

That is a great idea.  The evolution of the lineup from 06-07.

hear hear. throw in some from donington and it would be even cooler. ;D

I don't think the band is planing a dvd at the moment tho.

It could be a DVD of just a couple of songs that's enough for me and maybe behind the scenes footage or making of chinese democracy ?

Totally agreed with your words man...  : ok:

Don't release everything I say a small DVD or making of is perfect.  Maybe a thing for ringtones ?

No, they don't need to release absolutely everything they have.
BUT, I know there are many fans out there who would be really interested in alternate versions, b-sides and any other unreleased music left off the albums that the band feels comfortable putting out, especially "previous" incarnations of GNR e.g. the late 90s 'industrial' album

They can put this stuff on iTunes for online download, or they can sell exclusive tracks on the website, or even put a few exclusives up on the website for free streaming or something like that.

A future fan club along the likes of what Metallica have would be a great medium for this.

:drool:

i want that

How about this Guns N' Roses Chinese Democracy package 99.99 Best Buy (just an idea) Chinese Democracy with Making of Chinese Democracy, Guns N' Roses asian logo sticker package, B- Sides, Demo's, box set of all 2006/2007 Tour concerts, special features: Soundcheck, interviews with band members, Axl Rose interview.  I would buy it in a heart beat.

That sounds beautiful but I think it might be too much for just one set, especially the box set with so many live shows.
Maybe the album itself, bonus disc of bsides and demos, a free download of a live show, and a DVD with clips from live shows, behind the scenes and interviews, making of the album... or something like that

Does anyone think that the success or failure of the first album will determine whether more albums are released?

I strongly believe CD will be released this year but if it doesnt do very well (worst case scenario) do you think that the other 2 or even 3 supposed albums will be shelved?

I would personally be happy with one CD but that would be disappointing.

I hope we don't have to find out that answer, but anything is possible.  I would think Axl has worked all this time and has ALL these songs that they would find there way out there in some way or some form. 

But I shudder at the thought, maybe if The Spaghetti Incident did better, we wouldn't have had to wait so long for CD (just kidding of course, a few things happened along the way that delayed the process).

No, nothing will be shelved. Regardless of 'critical feedback', people are still going to be interested to hear what Axl has been working on, however much of it there is. Whatever material the band is happy to release will come out in some form or another I'm sure eventually.

First thing to consider is what this contract with BEST BUY/WALMART includes? Is it just for one album? Or perhaps it is a ongoing deal for all 3 or 4 albums to come out (or however many there are), whether simultaneously or over a period of time...?

If this is so than there is going to have to be names for these gems. So let's just say the first one is called Chinese Democracy........what names would you choose to call the next three releases?

How about:

Second release: The Slice of the Dice
Third release: Back for Revenge with friends.
Fourth release:  Slip inside and ride........

now it's your turn...........let me hear you burn.............  ::)

1st one could be a Bad Company/ACDC album title, 2nd a Metallica title and 3rd a Whitesnake title

There's Chinese democracy on Chinese democracy.

Appetite for Erection
Use Your Erection I
Use Your Erection II

Chinese Democracy........

Level the Devil

A Fist Full Of Silence

Chester, the Child Molester.......

don't you think of the likelihood that each album will contain a title track?

Funny!  Maybe Axl's intention is to change the name to Chinese Erection...no wonder why we haven't found it yet!

I know they'd never do it, but I'd like all four albums at once.

when the forth album is released you can buy the previous ones again with it, you know. :smoking:




not heard of Sinanthropus Pekinensis aka Beijing Man yet?

Ive always liked the name 2000 Intentions. I think they should use it for one of them

 :drool:

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Personally i would love a little fact/history book on the making of the albums who wrote which song, timeline, considered album titles. EXAMPLE weather Shaquille O'Neal even made it onto a demo of a song, etc  :drool:

I think they should name them Buckethead, Robin, and Ron...but I will wait for the DNA results when (the first) Chidem is born.