Here Today... Gone To Hell!

This is from the July Classic Rock

So We've heard Axl sing on your CD, when are we going to hear him sing on his own?

Its coming dude. And i can say that because i have heard it. It Exists! I was at a Christmas party at his house last yearand he played me all of Chinese Democracy - Four Albums - worth of Material. The heaviest song is called The General. Its so demonic and Evil. Ive never heard Axl sing as high as he does on that - except for maybe on my record.

So whens it coming out?

He sgot a whole release schedule planned out. The song i love, The General, i said "when can i put this in my Ipod?" Axl goes, "2012". And im like "Huh", So he says, "Well, this song has to go with this song, and this song has to do with this,and this song is the end of the parable trilogy...." He's like George Lucas, Dude!


Sorry no links had to type this from Magazine

He's stated this before.  Thanks for the info though...

Shit sorry i thought it seemed familiar

Thanks for posting.


Yeah, it goes hand in hand with what others have said.

If you think the band has worked on one album only during this time, think again....




/jarmo

....Stoked!

Even though Baz has talked about "The General" before, he went into more detail this time. It shows that Axl clearly has a set list of songs on each album. Not just "throw these together because that might meet this demographic or this target group...", the albums are well conceived and I'm sure they'll have quite a story to tell.

Can't wait.

Agreed. That is one of the biggest misconceptions regarding the band over the years.  I hate when I read or hear people say o Axl needs 10+yrs and 12 million bucks to make one album. I cant stand that.

No dipshit the band has spent 10+ yrs and roughly 12-15 mill on 4 albums. Atleast get it right.

I think The General is a Brain song. I remember hearing that somewhere.

Maybe a "General" Tommy Stinson song  :hihi:

Yeah, here he says 4 albums...

"Dude, there's at least four albums of material," Bach says of his friend's disc. "I said, 'Axl, I love this shit, when is it coming out?' And he says, 'Like, 2012.'")

http://www.smh.com.au/news/gig-reviews/sebastian-bach/2008/05/15/1210765032448.html

The four album plan makes me happy because it tells that Axl isn't just going along with the latest musical 'trend' with this material. Theres probably gonna be an epic underlying story/theme throughout the music and each album will tie each chapter together.

Don't get your panties in a bunch but IMHO American Idiot was a great album that carried a theme/story throughout each of the songs. If Axl can string a story along 4 albums I'll be so stoked.

smell a concept trilogy. :D

asd richard says three albums worth. guess each album carries 4/3(1+1/3) albums worth of material. 

Sorry, but Guns N' Roses doesn't do "concept" albums. If he's like George Lucas and knowing Axl's desire for perfection they'll be fully realized and epic.

How you know what the band doesn't do?

Because I've listened to their prior albums and Axl is known for perfectionism. He said he'd quit making music altogether if he couldn't get the piano to sound the way that it did in his head for "November Rain" and common sense says that the first album(s) in 17 years by GNR would be fully realized.

Concept albums usually consist of having a big jam, playing around with sounds, filters, and mixing techniques. Then those ideas are used for a well-concieved, well-written "full" album. For example, the  band the White Stripes came out with 'Get Behind Me Satan' to average reviews because it's was a departure for the band, them dipping their toes in different waters. Then "Icky Thump" came out to rave reviews and fan adoration. It was a newer sound but followed The White Stripes' formula.

The point is Axl's a consummate professional. If he wanted to do a "concept" album, it would have come out a long time ago. Axl isn't stupid, he knows the hype the next GNR album faces and isn't going to put one out until he feels that it's something he's completely proud of.

Like axl would do the same thing again and again.

a big jam? My definition of concept album is from the likes of sgt peppers or king crimson.

Yeah, I think your definition of concept album is pretty different than most people's.  For example, Pink Floyd The Wall is a concept album...  and while it does have lots of sounds, filters, and mixing techniques, it was not from a big jam session.  Concept album usually refers to the fact that the songs are all thematically linked together to tell a story or convey some sort of concept or thought.

I don't expect Chinese Democracy to be a concept album though, either.

My bad. I guess I never quite had a name for albums like Sgt. Pepper and The Wall, except "grandiose, epic, etc.". Thanks for the correction.

I don't think that they'll be concept albums, but share many common themes. The songs that we've heard from "Chinese Democracy" seem to be about breakup, loss, frustration, anger, and redemption to me. I can see a thematic arc to the first album, but how the other ones fit, I'm not sure obviously.

Maybe that is what some of the  negotiations are.......

Damn!   Everytime he speaks about a song, I get more excited - and frustrated

I Agree

HBK *

It's a Brain song, I remember reading something about it too.

Where? a source?... thought that The General was mentioned by M. Beltrami on 2002 to add some orchestal arragements... n' Brain was in Gn'r since 2001... I doubt if he wrote that song,,, considering the long, looooong times in Gn'R universe...

One source: http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1152&Itemid=42

It was more directly mentioned by Brain himself but I don't remember where that one was.

Great interview man! I didn't read it... I wonder if he said those things to Izzy when he jamm n' play  some songs on 2006 tour... I doubt it

The General is a song at least partially written by Brain, it's been mentioned in several interviews

I think people still fail to realize what a massive project this is, it's not just CD, not just one album, it's 3-4.  I would imagine the negotiations have something to do with releasing all albums in this set within the next 4-5 years.  If I'm not mistaken, GnR only has one album left on their current contract but they have 3-4 albums worth of material bankrolled by Geffen/Universal so that's probably what the negotiations have to do with

I wouldn't say 3/4. If they owe them one album, they owe them one album unless otherwise designated. It doesn't matter how much material they produce in a given time. And my impression was that Geffen/Universal haven't funded the entire project all of the time.

But yes, I'm sure that the project is gigantic. I can't imagine all of the people involved. I look forward to some really epic music videos though. :)

That confirms what I believed.... There will be Stormtroopers on Chinese Democracy!

Think the band will remember how to play that song by then?   ;D

Just release it .... pleeease ... :(

I love baz,
he is teasing the fans, but at the same time, He is makign the fans more hungry ....

This must of been Axls vision all along, to do a trilogy, and Each album progresses on to something else to tell a story over a period of 3 albums,

That MUST be why, (from reading the richard interview) when richard was asked if he had written any songs on chinese democracy,

he replied with "I only play on the songs on the first album, because they were already written when he joined the band, but he has a few songs on the following album/s"

so This is awsome, Axl has had a strategy all along , that each song has a special place on the chinese democracy timeline..

Nothing like this has ever been done before, and That must be why the record company doesnt want to screw up the cd release, which is understandable,
they only have one chance to really give this cd the firepower needed to skyrocket this bitch into peoples hands

Theres a twist around ever corner and I fuckin love it  :peace: :peace: :peace:

I don't agree with this masterplan-theory, but that's just beacause I'm a pessimistic naysayer.

So I hope you prove me wrong.  ;D

so axl plans to release the 3 albums in 4 years?  :drool:

here is a bit of speculation by me......if there is a trilogy happening maybe universal is looking for previews of that material? or wanting all disks ready and in their hands before fronting any more cash? regardless, based on that old CD breakdown by pilferk they will each need to sell about 2.5 million units for the label to break even...if there is a trilogy

Im pretty sure Chinese Itselfs will sell over 5mill. Hard to say about the following records.. I have bought a couple of versons of every Tool Record and GnR records, cos i know somehow, i will listen to them so much, its nice to have. The same i guess will happen with CD! Buy a at least 2 of it, the same day! One for listeningplasure, and the other as second two in the line in my cdrack!

donno but judging from descriptions like
"very complex record" -axl 
with "interludes" - tommy
"an epic album but songs are not overly long''-tommy
"you'll like at least a few songs on there"-Axl
and yet
"as a whole, you will either love or hate it"-richard

I wouldn't be surprised if there's some concept/theme running through the 3 albums.

at least now I have a feeling about why negotiations with the label are taking so long... I'm sure that label wants the strongest material all to be lumped into the first release to capture as much money as they can up front. I can see Axl holding firm that there is a specific track listing across multiple albums that he doesn't want to deviate from and they keep pushing back...

All guessing on my part, but the way Baz described that I can only imagine this causes a big sticking point.

I can't speak for Axl but I'd imagine it'd be somewhere in the ballpark of another album being released 6/7/8 months after the first one similar to the way System of a Down released Mezmerize and Hypnotize, but then again Guns N' Roses is bigger band and the show is much higher production, so it may be a year or so. I just don't see him waiting 2 years between albums if they're finished.

Who knows. Just thinking aloud here.

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i know its been said a few times before but i love hearing it again evey now and then

i'm hoping that one of those albums to come is "the lost industrial album" that like no one knows about or will talk about.....if thats true i think htey ought to call it Use Your Illusions III :drool:

an all industrial album would be tits  :drool:

It would be .

I hope that we get to hear some of the industrial stuff some day.