Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Its been a pretty long for some 8)
One thing is for sure when it comes to Guns N Roses. They have some really patience fans! But we share the patience
with the people who stand behind all the really hard work, making the best music possible, for the fans to hear. This new
Chinese Democracy album seams to get closer and closer to see the day of light, and im pretty sure they are working on
som heavy stuff with all the deals around a release like this.

We allready know, that the album is finished, we know that there are lots of songs recorded, and that there may be four
records worth of material. It is no seacret that GnR have always had theyr cards close to themself, and after all this time
it looks like that was a pretty good idea. Yesterday is came over a link to Metallicas homepage, and saw that they have
already started the promotion on theyr upcoming album, which it looks like is going to be called "Mission". Im not really a
big Metallica fan, but in one way or another i think that they are kind of interesting. But i really like the way they are making
some buzz about theyr new release, already now! And i wonder if this would be something concidered by Guns N Roses. I dont
know, maybe GnR have worked out theyr own way to promote theyr upcoming release/s. But it would be really cool, if they would
do some online promotion for it. As soon as we get a release date, im pretty sure things start rolling, and im so looking forward to it

In the end, and what i really was going to post in this tread. What can we, the fans do to help make som buzz around the release.
I remember it were some talks about street teams a while back, that maybe would be up again, when the release was closing in to us.
What do i know. Maybe GnR want to do this by themself, and we can all sit back and relax, but it would be cool to show our support
with a crazy idea, showing that there still is some crazy bastards out there who are really happy and excited about this.

Let this be a tread where you can put some crazy ideas about what we can do, in the timeframe from an official releasedate, to the release!
Maybe arrange some kickass releasepartys in every town on the whole fucking planet? Or what about making radiostations, studentradios,
or something like that play GnR, all day long!

ideas?

ohh.. back to my archaeologi books!

It depends on the marketing really, because if it all blows up in the anticipation of release, and this place gets mobbed, the first thing that I'll be doing is asking for a pay rise. I mean, you never know, I may even have to start doing some work.

hehe..
yeah, i thought you guys had a pretty good finansial deal already.. ?

But it would be cool to be apart of the circus, with making some huge release partys around the world... GIVE ME A FERNET BRANCA! I say

We can talk about this until the cows come home if you want to, but it depends entirely on the medium in which the album is released. If released as a download, marketing differs. If released as a hard-copy, marketing differs.

But the important thing is that the album adapts for the digital age. Very few companies and artists have done this, but there are some ahead of the curve. The music and movie industry is rapidly changing and few are adapting, let alone ahead of the curve.

The essential thing is viral marketing and I'd recommend a partnership with Apple. By using a social networking site such as MySpace and Facebook, you allow access to your music for free while generating word of mouth about your product. We all will come into play with this as well. Jarmo tells his friend to buy the album, his friend tells his other friend who doesn't really like the band, who tells his girlfriend, who tells her friends, etc. etc. Word of mouth is very important and viral marketing is the new way to do it.

I don't think that the album will (or should be) free online, however I do believe that digital downloads for the entire album is a great idea. Set prices for different quality, etc., and a partnership with Apple would be very advantageous. By having a partnership with Apple and an official iTunes store, you would allow people to download behind-the-scenes videos and other media (podcasts with Del James and the band members occasionally?) you would also bring in some money that way. A partnership with Apple would gain exposure on their website "Featured Content" and "Top Artists" and also on their iTunes store, which provides a medium to access the material while you bring in "the American Idol" crowd and gain new fans.

Steve Jobs plugging the album or flicking through it during an iPhone/iPod Touch demo at one of the Apple keynotes would instantly inspire thousands of Apple Fanboys to download a single the very least. Nothing against the band, but they need to grow their online community and show concern for their fanbase. Look at that stupid clip of Madonna vaccuuming on YouTube, if Axl said, "Hey what's up this is Axl and me and Baz are going out for drinks later and we just wanted to say hi, we can't wait to see you on tour this fall" or something along those lines, this forum would go bat-shit crazy.

In short I recommend:

• New MySpace Page with songs from the album + MySpace "Chinese Democracy" ads.
• Ability to download the album via GunsNRoses.com with high-quality files for audiophiles.
• Revamped iTunes Store with possible partnership with Apple.
• Content such as videos and podcasts offered free providing rewards and incentives for fans.
• The already in-place Dr. Pepper campaign including TV Commercial.
• Primetime TV spot during popular TV show maximizing the casual GNR crowd.

Anyway, there are pretty much endless possibilities, but Axl is a seasoned vet and Irving and Andy are also smart guys, so I'm sure they'll work out something great.

Are they still in neogations ??

 Ideas for what to do when.. it all starts...?

First, collect on all those bets
Second, throw a.."I told you mother f@#%*&!" party, where you constantly brag about your knowledge of GnR, and their imminent return to the top
Third, and most importantly, throw a.."I told you mother f@#%*&!" party, where you constantly brag about your knowledge of GnR, and their imminent return to the top

i still like the plan that involves Dr. Pepper ;D

Buy five copies... ;D

i have the feeling with artists becoming more and more involved in releasing their own music soley through the internet that GNR might actually try this...i have no evidence of this...just a thought

what to do when it all starts? this may sound crazy but for one am going to buy the album and then see a live concert.

and mustaine for president? dave mustaine shops at the grocery store i work at, nice guy.

(I think that you'll find that as far as many of the big bands go, a digital release has been followed by a physical one...)

What to do? I think i might retire by then  :P

Rather than build castles in the air, I'll worry about that when the label announces the official release date.

the anticipation marketing cant be too drawn out cause then people will be sick of the album before they even hear the single on the radio

but then again, if the anticipation marketing isnt long enough, then the whole marketing of the album is pointless as half the fun in marketing is creating hunger for a product that isnt available yet...

Yes

 :o

OMG! STREET TEAMS FTW!!!11!!!

 :rofl:

 :-[

Somewhere in the corner of a dark room a record company exec is sitting with a slab of rock and a cold steel chisel, "What's our latest offer to Mr.Rose again? I need to get it etched into this piece of stone asap so that we can strap to the turtles back and send him on his way to the Malibu mansion!! - Oh crap, I added an extra zero to that number! I gotta start the 5 hour process over again?!"

Everything just seems to be moving at a snails pace.  :'(

Like Buckethead, it's yesterdays humor  :peace:

So turtles are as slow as snails?

Times have changed. Both parties are wanting what is best for them is a completely different era to the last album release.

Street team, beat team, it would be cool to make some crazy stuff, when things starts rollin..
I have talked to some people i know abit in the Town where i live, about some cool GnR releasepartys
when the time comes.. Would be cool to see pictures on HTGTH from GnR CD partys all over the world =)

Yes, exactly. But unlike the street teams Mr.Bucket has been productive.  :peace:

Seeing the phrase 'street teams' on a GNR forum brought back some funny and not so funny memories. One can only hope a day is soon coming whereas fans will actually have a product and/or date to 'promote' huh?

Everyone needs to play the album as loud as possible in public. In your cars, down the park on a sunny day, at jukeboxes in bars. Then let the music do the talking

No need to get too defensive there Mystery, I'm just saying it feels like it's been in negotiations for a long time. If the record label has had the album since just before xmas we are almost at 6 months of negotiating.

I'm not laying blame, pointing fingers or whatever, but I think all the fans will agree that this feels like a long ass time.

It doesn't help when someone like Trent of NIN steals Robin away and releases an album, featuring Robin, a month later - for free - online.

*sigh*

No worries, if the music is good I have a stereo system in my R/T loud enough to make sure it's heard in my area .. lol.

nobody ever said that the label has the album...just that "it's finished"

jarmo pointed that out to me a week or so ago

Nobody credible at least.  : ok:




/jarmo

It's gonna be big news all over the world when the album comes out.

But I reckon its up to us, the core group of fans, not just general GNR fans, but the fans who are supporting the NEW lineup and supporting the NEW music. There are hundreds of thousands of GNR fans out in the world, but not as many who are so eager for new music by the new band as we are.

I've already gone out of my way to talk to people in record shops, people who I see in shops wearing GNR shirts, generally any music fan I know to try to give them a positive attitude towards the new album, not just shrugging it off as "isn't it that album which theyve been working on for 20 years or something like that", misinformed based on what is published in the press.

People are still going to be crying about Slash's absence or that "its not the same anymore" blah blah blah

But it's up to us to spread the word about THE MUSIC. At the end of the day, the band members are serving the music - It doesn't matter who is playing guitar, whether it is Finck, Fortus, Bumblefoot, Buckethead, Axl, Zakk Wylde, Paul Huge, or whoever

I think I will be really happy and excited!  :D
Looking forward to that day, going to the record store to finally listen to the CD I always wanted to have!  : ok:

In the meantime I will wait patiently, trying not to think about CD or checking this board  :hihi:

Actually I'm surprised it's not at the front of Fox News programs with "sources" like that. You forget Jarmo, I don't know how it is there but here in America, our news is controlled an run by companies with agendas who use money to influence what is printed and reported and what's not. Verifiable and credible sources are a thing of the past, especially in the internet age. It's about who has the money thus the power thus the respect.

Sad but true.  :(

I think there is too much looking to the future when we are in the present.  Get the CD out there and start touring.  Keep it simple and go for T-Shirt sales.  They already made the best music they are putting out, whether it sells a bunch or changes the music scene is irrelevant.  It's a changing business and that can't be controlled right now, it's a learning experience and that is best done by doing it.  Get out there and get moving.

Is this active negotiations or is there a stalemate?  Obviously they're not working on this thing 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.  But they should be!  For the love of god, hammer this thing out!  Because if they've reached a point in which neither side is willing to give concessions, we can be waiting a very long time.  And I just really hope that isn't the case. 

I totally agree, but there are also countless people who will need to be paid for work done on the album-with Bucket and  possibly Robin gone, producers who have left or have been fired, and who knows how many other musicians, I would not be surprised if the record company wants to avoid what could be potential lawsuits from people claiming to have come up with ideas for songs but not credited and so on

there are some pretty big heavy album`s released the second half of this year, metallicas new album in September.
Would be cool if GnR made it with a release at the same time, would be like 1991 all over again =)

Chuck in AC/DC's new album that would be one pretty fucking amazing year.

buckcherry and slipknot too and now we have a whole bad obsession in here

Are Buckcherry? Cripes that was quick!

Some might argue its too much all at once, but I think these bands will benefit, it could be deemed as the year rock came back or something.

Plus plenty of options for festivals next year, omg if GNR, Metallica and AC/DC all headlined Download or something similar I would come in my pants

Well i guess its logic that they still are in neogations. They have just hired a new management. Hopefully they will be finish in a couple of month.

I must admit: I do that now.

I play the live stuff from the tour, the old "acoustic rarities" stuff...and other stuff ;)...from the band in my car, at deafening (probably literally...we'll see some day) decibel levels with my windows rolled down. 

Occasionally I'll get a reaction from a driver next to me.....

 : ok: part of the problem with ipod and the digital generation is the ghettoblaster seems to have died a thousand deaths.

I seem to remember Axl tearing through the streets before UYI was released playing the album in his car.

This may be bullshit, but the only source I've ever used, and it's been a while since I have, has told me that a plan is being developed, near completed and that if it happens we will see Chinese Democracy happen so fast that it won't leak.

This is the same source that said Izzy was going to return to GN'R and you all called me an idiot and the same source that told me something was going to happen on iTunes, that of course never happened. He knew nothing about the Harley add, I even asked him. I have no idea where he gets his info, so take as you will. He is a friend of a friend, so I don't grill him about details. If I did he would simply not bother telling me. For the record, he hasn't said a thing to me about GN'R for over a year. My source was a very connected blogger that once worked for Pitchfork. He isn't a GN'R fan, but he does follow anything that moves in the music industry.

Interesting man. Hope its true. Its not too late for a 2008 release. If its gets to September without an annoucement then it ain't coming out 2008 in my opinion...

Number one, buy the album.


Occasionally you see posters saying things like "I want to make sure it's worth the money before buying". What kind of a fan are you?

Spending $10-30 (depending on where you live) on a new GN'R CD is too much?


If it's a lot of money, maybe you could cut down on those Starbucks visits for a few weeks and save the money.....  ;)



/jarmo

I know a couple of people myself included buying a couple of copies to give to friends and family. So that'll certainly help if the album gets others excited enough to share.

I'm curious to what the status is. We were getting pretty steady updates in April and since then it seems like all discussion and activity has dropped to a minimum.

???

I'll definitely be buying more than one copy.  I've taken enough crap from a few folks over the years for continuing to believe in GnR that I'm gonna force this fucker down their throats when it's out!!!


This is the calm before the storm.  I don't think we'll hear anything else in regards to updates until the details have been worked out, and they can give us a release date they're confident in...  Once that happens, there will be more discussion going on than you'll know what to do with!!!

Uh, hope that was not minted on me, because if there is on fucker on this planet that will buy the album, that sure will be mr Nytun!
And sure, thats the first thing to do, when it drops.. But what i was thinking of, with the start of this thread, was getting GNR fans
together and do some stuff, around the release, or when the promotion stuff starts.. Some of us have waited a long time, or, actually
not nessecery waiting, but at least always been interested in GnR. And it would be cool to make some effort to show support!

And, im still going to use my money on Coffie, because coffie fucking rocks.. but im sure to always have enough to buy a couple of albums..

It wasn't aimed at you, it was just an answer to your question.  : ok:



/jarmo

I will post bulletins, buy a copy on Itunes and a physical release. if there are more than one version, ill buy it also.

Hope so man. It's deathly quiet. Eerily quiet.

yeah to buy the cd seems well worth it.and see g n' r as many times as i can in concert.when it does come out  though.i will be blairing it off my deck.while toasting some beers to axl for putting it out.so until then i can wait an see what happens.sometimes it gets to quiet around these parts for news.but it keeps you coming back in hopes each day still.so i will do that for now.have hopes '

a real fan?  :P
knowing it will be more than well worth the money judging from the materials heard so far, I personally have no problem with comments like that if they don't come from the 'the band owes me!' 'the band should do this and that!' type fans.


and if you can't afford your local edition, there's always Amazon us.   : ok:

Best Buy always has new cds for 9.99 when they first come out. so who cant afford that

if u are really poor, Ill buy a copy for u and mail it to u.

If you are a Guns N Roses fan, and cant afford to buy a copy of theyr album. Then you should not afford the computer your downloading it from. You should neather affored using your time on a GnR message board. Buy the album, and drink less beer on the releaseparty : ok:

Excellent post Mr. Bucketfoot! And I agree on all fronts.:beer:

If the band and new management could pull all that off, and if the hard core cadre of GN'R fans like ourselves do our part by talking up the album to everyone we know and buying multiple copies (as gifts, etc.)... I don't think anything can hold GN'R back...

As far as purchasing goes my list remains the same:

1 physical CD copy (assuming it's released as such)

1 vinyl LP copy for my living room wall (again, assuming it's released as such)

1 legal download each of any bonus tracks or alternate mixes that may be released.

And ofcourse tickets to as many future shows I can attend.

I think there's alot of pressure for the record company to put this album out due to the DR. Pepper press release.  I doubt the last thing they want to do is blow a good opportunity when it fell right into their laps.  I say release it sept then it would be a big christmas item.

Somehow I doubt Dr. Pepper would put that significant pressure on the Record Company. They obviously want the album out probably as quickly as possible while the band wants it out when the time is right. It's probably a war of ideology. I'm sure that it did put some pressure on though. As it would be great, free press and the goal is to have it out by then anyway.

Personally, I think that the best time would be late Summer around August. There's a lot of momentum coming out of Summer and it would hit everyone just at the right time. Then you'd have a nice Fall tour in support. :)

Wow. If this sight and all the other G&R sights are amped for the release of the new G&R cd's than I'm confident that they are going to sell millions and millions of units. This is going to be like the return of Elvis back in 1968!!! We're probably not even going to be able to get tickects to the concerts because it's going to be sold out in the first ten minutes by ticket companies. Than their going to jack up the price twice as much. This is going to be really good.......I can't wait for the sledge-hammer to come down!!!!

I'd actually quite like a break - timeout from chasing updates on forums; time to listen and enjoy the music, enjoy GNR's regularly updated website, watch a new film featuring a GNR song, read about the band in the press, understand Axl's story on the making, etc etc

As many people have said I think some of us have been very patient and its only right one day that we will be treated to all of the above - and if GNR do that well they shouldn't need to bother about us having to make street teams or any of that kind of stuff.

Andrew

i'm gonna hope Dr. Pepper mixes well with whiskey  :beer:

Yeah Starbucks blows... and it's the biggest overrated thing I can think of.

But yeah, buy the cd, no matter how much money it is (knock on wood).  :hihi:

Gn'R is Gn'R even if I don't really care for the new members.

We need to splash the stores... make copies move.

Even though I personally have always planned on buying two (one CD, one vinyl), I honestly don't think fans from the message boards buying a couple copies each being the way the album is going to be successful.

You're right. It's going to be about over a million die hard fans all over the world that are going to buy the cd!!!! Their are so many G&R fans out there it's not even worth my while to argue the point with anyone here. It's going to be the return of Elvis '68. Mark my words.  :smoking:

While I certainly hope that's the case, I believe it'll take a lot of work to get that done.

Haven't heard anything from Mysteron in a while.... Guess there is nothing to update us on and they are still in negotiations... Would've never thought even a whole year after their Melbourne concert would the record still not be released..