Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Slash reveal the truth behind Scott's departure and what the future holds for VR

When Scott strode up the mircophone and informed a sold-out Glasgow SECC that "they were watching something special - the last tour by VR" his bandmates, Slash, Duff, Matt and Dave all stood back and stared at each other. To the casual observer this was shock, pure and simple, but to those privy to the inside workings of the band, this was actually an annoucement that made everyone but the singers lives a good eal easier. Because those four men already knew what Scott didn't - that he was already out the band.

"he didn'tknow that we were already planning on extraditing him" says Slash "when we started touring the second record, it just felt like we were losing Scott as far as out connection went. During the tour with Alice in Chains [in august 07], he was just out to lunch. When he came back, he was supposed to go to rehab, so we postponed our Austrailian tour but he didn't really go to rehab. That was the final blow. we had a lot of commitments, like the tour in the UK, which we didn't want to go back on, so we wanted to finish those before telling him."

Here, Slash reveals the details of Scott's departure, Exclusively to Kerrang!


Was the split with Weiland difficult?

No, not really. at this point everybody's very relieved that we've got past it because, now he's not around we can consentrate on getting somebody into the fold that we can rely on, he's been talking about rejoining STP as well, so we told him, 'cool go jam with STP in the summer and we'll work on the album, we said that [before the split] because we didn't think there'd be anything going on with him after the summer anyway.

That must have made the relantionship complicated between you on your last tour

We basically didn't speak a word that whole time, we gave him the cold shoulder in the UK like nobody's business. There were a couple of arguements around the stage but, other than that, nobody spoke to him, i imagine he was quite uncomfortable. No wonder he didn't have a good time, then, he told everyone in Glasgow that the whole band was over. we were like 'Oh well, i guess we've got a surprise coming for you, Scott'

So it end didn't end on good term, then?

It wasn't malicious. the whole thing was basically just a lot more difficult that we've made it sound for the last few years

If you weren't speaking, did that make travelling together hard?

For the most part, i don't really remember seeing much of him, We flew to Dubai together, i think, when we played recently, well i think i remember him being on the plane, anyway. we sort of got used to him not being around. He's never really been part of the mechanics of the group - he's always been separate and doing his own little thing

Was it irratating that the singer in your band wouldn't commit to actually being in the band?

I'm really easy-going and i'll make allowances for whatever people need. But there is the other side of it too and, when you're dealing with someone who is too high-maintenance to hang out with the guys in the trenches, then there are problems

Did that feel like a snub to you?

I didn't take it personally but i don't want to dwell on it too much, there was a point where he had certain requirements - he need this to deal with things, then that - and you just get to a point where you think, whatever, i'd like to have somebody up there who's comfortable enough and secure enough with himself to be the frontman without feeling that he's being threatened by the other guys. Really, though i don't understand what goes on with these people!

Do you think Weiland was threatened by your shared history with Duff and Matt in GNR?

There was some underlying fucking theme that was going on but i'd be lying if i said i could put my finger exactly on it. i definatly get the feeling there was some sort of resentment going on

There was a rumour that Weiland was called 'J.A' - Junior Axl - By the band behind he back, is there any truth in that?

No, i never called him that, there were a few similarities though. what became really irritating was that i had the same problem with Scott as i had when i toured with Axl. i just couldn't get the guy onstage on time. That i can't accept. i will not do it again. i will not be in a situation where a guy is making the audience wait half an hour or an hour or more. it's criminal, i don't know who someone thinks he is when tries to get away with that sort of thing

You spoke about Weiland 'Erratic Behavior' and his 'Personal Problems' when you annouced his departure, What did you mean by that?

Oh man, that a broad statement isn't it? when it comes to those things, i don't want to speak badly of him because i don't want that negative energy going back and forth, basically, we're done. i don't need to air any dirty laundry about him. We had a good run and there are some good songs in there. We had some magic moments but the bad outweighted the good

Did Weiland's plans the Reunite with STP have any bearing on his exit?

It wasn't the STP thing at all. at the end of the day, he wanted the glory of going back to STP anyway, i think he thought we were going to wait around for him until the end of the summer but, instead we thoughts, Just go, We'll see how those guys fare with you

You seem to be cursed when it comes to singers...

I know, it figures, at this point, three times charmed right? We're looking forward to finding a new singer, though, and we're in a much stronger posistion to do that than when we started. Now, at least people know what we're doing, They know we're a rock 'n' roll band and that we're sucessful enough that you're going to have to be on your game if you're going to hook up with us. I just want to find this guy so we can write some songs.

Are you working with singers at the moment?

We had thought about working with someone else for the UK tour but there wasn't really enough time to break someone in for that. We're entertaining a couple of different ideas. There has been alot of interest, so we're working our way through what we like and what we don't like. I'm not going to make any rash decisions, it's nice that people are interested, though, it's 50 percent fate and 50 percent hard work and tenacity trying to find the right guy for the band. We've got the hard work and tenacity down, but, as far as fate is concerned, we'll just have to see.

Interesting....
I sense this is going to spark some heated discussions...

Wow, what a revealing article.  I want this put to rest though.  I don't like talking bad about each other.  It was a very interesting read anyway.  Sounds like they didn't like Scott on a personal level.  And I can understand that, cause I don't like him like that either.  Good luck to them moving on!

Source? Besides 'Kerrang', is there a link?

" what became really irritating was that i had the same problem with Scott as i had when i toured with Axl. "

Poor Slash, Nobody What Comprises.

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HBK *

I saw this posted on another forum.  Looks like it is from the magazine...just depends on if the posters transcription is correct? :-\

Kerrang! Magazine 16/04/2008

In this week's Kerrang! magazine we hit the road with Florida punk rock heroes Against Me! as they tear through the corporate trappings that surround them to reveal their inner punk rock hearts.

Plus: Ex-System Of A Down duo Daron Malakian and John Dolmayan unveil Scars On Broadway, Slash dishes the dirt on what really went down in the Velvet Revolver camp, meanwhile Scott Weiland makes his 2008 live debut with a re-united Stone Temple Pilots, Anti-Flag enlist the help of Rage Against The Machine's Tom Morello for their roller derby-inspired video, Kids In Glass Houses play a stripped-down show for family and friends, Ash, Airbourne, Elliot Minor and Pendulum join the bill of this year's Kerrang!-sponsored Download festival and Introducing The Computers and Eternal Lord.

And: Paramore and My Chemical Romance rock California at Bamboozle Left, Every Time I Die destroy Oxford, Simple Plan's Pierre Bouvier takes on the Random Question Generator, teenage upstarts Outl4w revive the sound of classic punk rock, we go Access All Areas on tour with Aiden and Thrice geek out big time with The Alchemy Index Vol. III and IV. Mindless Self Indulgence's new album, IF, gets the K! reviews treatment, there's A Brief History Of DC hardcore and Tom Higgenson from Plain White T's tells us the last time he cracked a smile... (He couldn't actually remember).

Plus: Free posters of Angels And Airwaves, Kill Hannah, Good Charlotte, Children Of Bodom and Nightwish.

http://www2.kerrang.com/2008/04/kerrang_magazine_15042008.html

Slash is nothing but trouble, trust me..

^
This guys knows..... :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :yes:

TRUST ME!!!! ;D

Edit: Long time no see D, how's your musical experimentals gong??

Shit all over the map, Solo stuff, band stuff, me and Loretian have some collaborations in the works. Once school ends May 1st, shits gonna happen.



On topic:


2nd time, same result, one has to start looking at Slash and Co. and asking maybe there is something wrong with them?

if you need something else than shit, contact me dude!
just wait till I get my gear rigged up and I'll serve you with better beats and song suggestions than you could ever have dreamed of.

on topic, nobody have to look at Slash and the guys...they're perfect.

It's criminal to make the audience wait?

Perhaps someone should define for Slash what a criminal offense is.

Ali

a murder?

That is one good example.  Not going on stage late.  That is not a criminal offense.

I would be curious to see what Scott would say about why he was going on stage late.

Ali

cos he's a tiny bit of a wanker?

Who's a wanker?  Weiland?

Ali

that's like asking the square root of one million...no one knows.

You know as much as I do that he used the word as a metaphor.

And I?m 100%  with Slash on this one.

Slash came off kind of arrogant, and sort of dickheadedish in this interview.

What a surprise, it's all someone else's fault  :o

I find it amazing that he says Scott wasn't really part of the band's dynamic when in reality the last album they released wore STP's influence on its sleeve, and I'm talking about the music not just the vocals

yeah, I got the impression he was trying very hard to make it seem like they booted Weiland instead of the other way around, damage control really.
I guess all prospective applicants for lead singer of VR should be...punctual.



you're cracking me up  :hihi:

Yes, I know it's a metaphor.  That's not the point.  It's a way over the top metaphor to portray Weiland in a negative light and himself, conversely, in a positive light.  You can say, "it's not cool" and leave it at that without going so over the top.

Ali

Pretty sure he didn't literally mean criminal... it's an expression.
And I agree with him. Waiting for the stage set up is fine. Waiting for a chunk of time beyiond that is a joke and a pain in the ass. I'm glad he realises that it pissed off the fans and looks arrogant and unprofessional.


I'm suprised at how straight shooting this interview was. Sounds like they were the guys who really isolated Scott.
But I'm glad that Slash and co have finally seemed to step up and say 'fuck this, we aren't taking shit anymore.' It sounds like their frontmen always called the shots for the band and dictated what was going on, and now it seems like they've finally had enough. And good on them I reckon. At this point in their careers, after what they've done they deserve to call the shots. They have had pretty bad luck with personal/professional problems with their singers, so now it seems like they aren't going to put up with it any more. Good on them.

I already addressed the fact that I didn't think it was a literal use of the word criminal, but a use done for an unnecessary dramatic effect.

And as far as Slash and co. calling the shots, that will never happen unless they want a singer to be a hired hand.

Until then, I guess Slash can continue to portray himself as a victim with no culpability in these professional fallings-out.

Ali

Slash will always be my hero but it just seems that he,duff and Matt are three of the biggest pussies ever to be in a rock n roll band.


I am sorry but if vince Neil pulled shit like that, Nikki and Tommy would be up in his face if thats what it took.


with Slash,Duff etc, they brood in silence cause they dont have the balls to confront Axl or Scott or whoever. They boo hoo cause Axl owns the name of GNR, well guess what? U fuckin geniuses signed the god damn thing over to him. he didnt have a gun to your head.

Now with Scott, maybe communication could've solved some problems? but when u just ignore a guy, nothing is gonna get done.

Unnecessary dramatic effect? Geeze, people really need to choose their words carefully to avoid such critical analysis...
Why can't they call the shots? It's their band, their the stars, and it's their music people want to hear. Just because a singer stands at the front of the stage doesn't mean he is the main guy off of it.
Uh, I'm pretty sure that Slash hasn't come off as the victim here and has taken some responsibility in the end. He pretty much said how he and the other members ostracized Scott, effectivly driving him out of the band. He said that they didn't like him or his attitude, but that they were effectively responcible for forcing him out.

Awesome :D

He rarely addressed his feelings in that interview. A few times at most. Go back and count the times that he used "I" in reference to himself.

:rofl: they were gonna kick him out anyway only he didn't know and left on his own terms. LOL

thats priceless! plus an extra kick in scotts teeth

Like I said, he could've just said "it's not cool to go on stage late" and just said that.  He didn't need to be overly dramatic and use the word "criminal".  It was over the top given the situation he was talking about.

Unless Slash and the guys want to have a hired gun for a singer, they can't call the shots by themselves.

Slash makes no concession that anything he or the other members did anything to contribute to the tension and subsequent split with Scott.  None whatsoever.  When you don't admit you did anything wrong or contributed to the situation in any way, you are portraying yourself as being a victim of the situation not a party to it.

Ali

It's not about him using the word "I".  It's about him not making any concession that he or any of the others did anything to contribute to the tension with Scott.  Completely giving your singer the cold shoulder does not help the situation.  It only makes it worse.

Ali

How about

We basically didn't speak a word that whole time, we gave him the cold shoulder in the UK like nobody's business.

other than that, nobody spoke to him, i imagine he was quite uncomfortable.

Is that not bluntly saying he knows the contributed to it

You just want to rip him to shreds , he uses the word "criminal" and you jump on his case.

Wrong.  I have no desire to rip him to shreds.  Don't be so dramatic.  I just thought it was over the top to use that word.

And, I can't help but notice a pattern here.  Something goes wrong with a member of the band and it's never Slash's fault at all.  Things go sour and he doesn't admit playing even a small role in it.  And no, it does not sound like he admits contributing to the situation and being wrong in that.  He sounds proud of it and indifferent or unconcerned with any negative impact from giving Scott the cold shoulder.

Ali

From all appearances, it was Weiland that gave the rest of the band the cold shoulder ... for along time.

Really?  Slash just admitted that he and the others did the same thing.

Ali

other than that, nobody spoke to him, i imagine he was quite uncomfortable. What do you want him to say

HEY WORLD ITS ALL MY FAULT

Jeez dude seriously he said straight up we gave him the cold shoulder and I can imagine he we uncomfortable. Anyways it was obvious that Slash and Co where on one page and Scott on another.

who cares...Scott Weiland is a sub-par frontman...he was ok in Velvet for a couple albums but id like to see them move on to a singer that actually SINGS...

Way to exactly restate your original points without adding anything at all.
Already gone in a circle after one reply so not going to bother persuing this further.
But please, keep your eyes open for another Slash thread so you can come back spewing the tried and tested 'Slash playing the victim without taking any responsibility' card again.

And Feel_The_Burn, I agree. As I said, in as many words he is admitting they helped push him out. "I imagine that made him feel quite uncomfortable" I think more than concludes that they helped contribute to the tension.

I know you are not naive to the actions of Weiland. He has long been a loner ... and that is generous.

I don't expect him to say that it's all his fault, but some concession that perhaps it was not a good situation for all parties involved.

Like you said, Slash and co. were on one page and Scott another.  They all did things to not help their relationship.  It didn't work out.  It was time to move on.  That's it.

Ali

Yeah which is why he said he can only imagine that Scott did feel comfortable. Anyways it was the best move for the band.

If you had read my first post, there would have been no need to restate my point.  Way to go!

And yeah, it's real big to admit you made the guy feel uncomfortable after you already decided to kick him out.

Ali

I know, man.  I know.  But, don't you think there is a difference between being a private person and deliberately giving someone the cold shoulder?

Ali

^Cool! I Gotcha. ;D

I'd be willing to bet any sum of money that all of them played a role in poisoning the group dynamic.  It got to the point of no return and all parties had to move on.  It's that simple.  

Hopefully Slash and co. will find the right guy for the band and make some kickass music and Scott will do his STP thing and have fun there.

Ali

Very interesting interview. I'm glad that Slash is still motivated about Velvet Revolver future. I hope Weiland replacement go up stage on time.

always is nice reading something about Slash  : ok:

We basically didn't speak a word that whole time, we gave him the cold shoulder in the UK like nobody's business. There were a couple of arguements around the stage but, other than that, nobody spoke to him, i imagine he was quite uncomfortable. No wonder he didn't have a good time, then, he told everyone in Glasgow that the whole band was over. we were like 'Oh well, i guess we've got a surprise coming for you, Scott'

This is starting to sound a bit childish. :-\

Very much so.  Very spiteful and passive aggressive as well.

Ali

it's rock n roll, people-I think the drama is fun

Come off it and announce the new singer already. I getting testy.

Scott was and has always been weird.  And also look at the era's they came out in.  GNR, though only a few years older, came up in a much different way.  Slash and Scott would have NEVER been personal friends.  Why would you want a band with people you don't even like.  Wathing the Rise of VR documentry, I think you can even tell then that even though Slash like Scott as a singer, he kind of didn't really trust him or think he was really like the rest of the band. 

All that being said, Slash needs to just focus on future and move on.  Cause now we will get stupid article from Weiland.  And Slash did try to hold back, but it was too late at that point almost.   

Slash and company need a balls out Rocker that doesn't have a huge ego.  Is there one out there?  We will find out!

No such thing as a balls out rocker who isnt somehow fucked up.

they go hand in hand.

You need ego in the music biz , just not a big one. They just need someone who is willing to let Slash do what he does best , make killer riffs with Duff and Matt. Someone who isn't trying to over shadow them , but complement their style. Just a balls to the wall rocker. I just want to hear some of that vintage Slash riffin and soloin'.

I'd still like to see a scan from kerrang!, 'cause the wording just doesn't sound right at all....

lol, funny.  everyone here seems to attack slash for the interview... on metalsludge everyone praised him for being such a stand up guy.

guess we're all a lil bit biased. or Axl nuttswingers as they they'd put it on metal sludge

they are equally biased

well, i seem to agree with this board, that slash comes off like someone who always likes to play the good guy and blames everyone else in order to make him look good, but it's still funny, because metal sludge equally hates both New Gnr and VR and Specially Weiland, and everyone there just came to different conclusions that we did over here.


we are biased also, that's my point.

how many days til the next weiland rant?  :hihi:

That would be really silly of him. It's one thing to say something in an interview which may be seen as hostile, but to come out with a press release (or blog entry...these seem to be the same thing these days) in response would be childish. If he has any balls, he will let this die a natural death and let it go.


And the only reason this board is so hostile about this interview is because coming on stage late was mentioned...this being a hobby of another singer, and so saying that it is a bad thing is unacceptable to some here!

i'm not good in bets but i would put a lot amount of $$ in it that Scottie will talk about this & re-bash them online pretty soon, as usual. it seems to be a part of his personality (processing in the VR years) to give the fast answer.

the "coming-late-on-stage" thing simply sucks no matter who does it in live shows. if you pay a ticket for a train and the train arrives 1h+ late it's just uncool if there are no "excusable" reasons for.
scott weiland is just a pussy i've never liked, and i'm wayyyy not alone with this opinion! he is -for me- the main reason why i never could become a fan from VR. loosing him/kicking him out is the best thing happening to them. thumps up they will pick some killer singer now they can get along well with.

I already addressed the fact that I didn't think it was a literal use of the word criminal, but a use done for an unnecessary dramatic effect.



Ali
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Fuck me, its just a figure of speech. Are you fucked or what! What an annoying person.












It was worth the neg karma  ;D

Thats what I'm waiting on.

For a start, theres no 'all things considered' talk.  : ok:

I can't quite figure out why Slash always feels the need to elaborate on all these things.  If he had something else to say, it should have been in the original statement.  Or is this just part of self-promotion for the next VR lineup?

Also, it definitely sounds like they threw some attitude Scott's way as well.  These guys hook up with complicated singers and then get pissed off that they're not part of their little "gang".

OK, so Scott fell off the wagon during the AIC tour.  You guys did hire one of the biggest junkies in rock to front your band.  Get over it.

He takes no responsibility for anything! Amazing.



People don't get pissed off at each other for no reason.




/jarmo

 :hihi:

SLASH IGNORED WEILAND BEFORE SACKING HIM

Movie & Entertainment News provided by World Entertainment News Network (www.wenn.com)
2008-04-17

SLASH forced SCOTT WEILAND to leave VELVET REVOLVER by deliberately ignoring him throughout the band's U.K. tour.  The legendary guitarist admits he pretended Weiland didn't exist before eventually axing the singer last month (Mar08) - blaming Weiland's "increasingly erratic onstage behaviour and personal problems" for the shock move.

http://www.pr-inside.com/slash-ignored-weiland-before-sacking-him-r542550.htm

so this part was the part that caught me

Scott and Slash's old lead singer do have some similarities.  One big difference though is that one hardly did drugs.

some similarities like, for example, not being able to get along with someone like slash.

1. Only one of them can sing...
2. One wrote epics, the other wrote basic tunes.
3. One changed the rock world, the other is just a tenant in it.

I think there are no real similarities between the two....other than the fact that they both played with the same group of musicians at some point in their career.....

still no Scottie reply? are junkies actual LEARNING something?

hope, Slash shuts up about this issue aswell - unlike he did with Axl in interviews. but i have my doubts....

Fuck me, its just a figure of speech. Are you fucked or what! What an annoying person.












It was worth the neg karma  ;D
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Did you even read what I wrote?

An over the top figure of speech used to lay blame elsewhere.  That's what it was.  Put what he said in the context of the whole interview and it's just one shining example of how he's laying all the blame elsewhere for the falling out with Scott.

Sometimes people just grow apart.  Sometimes it's just not meant to be.  It happens.  It doesn't mean that it is all the other person's fault.

Ali

say it the fan number one of man more responsable of the world, above all responsable about his fans.  :hihi:
Man, if Slash no takes no responsability for anything, what about Axl Rose?, just think about it...

Yeah, the similarity is obvious.  To me, at least.  But, of course, if you say that, you get accused of being someone's "nutswinger" or whatever other term people like to use  :hihi:

Ali

That really is not the case, for me at least.  There is a pretty apparent similarity in terms of completely laying blame elsewhere for the falling out here.

I just have a hard time believing it wasn't more of a case where everyone, or multiple people, did things to contribute to a relationship going sour.  And eventually, it got to the point where the relationship(s) could not be repaired and the only thing for all parties to do was to move on.

Ali

Which one?


Most of that band has been in rehab between the end of the Contraband tour and the end of this tour.


Slash can point fingers at Scott for the problems he has, but Slash himself was hooked on OxyContin not too long ago.

It seems like the substance abuse problems are all "fun" as long as you can laugh about it like "we all went to rehab, hahaha".

But once you have some issues with a person, then his addiction is a real problem.





http://www.timeoutdubai.com/dubai/features/review.php?id=2544 (http://www.timeoutdubai.com/dubai/features/review.php?id=2544)
By Matt Pomroy, Monday February 25 2008



Great support!

You were thinking about replacing him for the tour....




/jarmo

i think it caught me because he's saying he'll never do something with someone who's showing up late and since axl has done that at times slash is basically saying that he won't tour with axl if he got the oppurtunity, i think he would do it though, u know what i mean

I see your point.  Did Slash really say...

we gave him the cold shoulder in the UK like nobody's business

 :D

there are some spelling mistakes because this is a transcription made by a VR forum user  : ok:

(http://www.velvetrevolverforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=29458.msg680290#msg680290)

Are you saying that VR forum users can't spell?  :hihi:

Ali

hahahahahahaa  :rofl:

that?s not what I meant!!

 :-[

They should have just agreed that they dont get on - faced each other and made everything clear to each other.... then go on to make a kick ass album.
The best, most creative stuff happens when there is a lot of friction in a band. But instead they acted like children and blanked the singer out, instead of confronting him. Im glad Scott left - its more like a kick in the teeth for the other guys that he left before they sacked him.

I am the biggest Slash fan on the board but the way they handled this situation was wrong. U don't ignore a guy and do what they did.

They wonder why there was a problem

Seems to me, Slash,Duff etc dont know how to communicate because they are pussies.

Whether it be Axl or Scott, they would vent to each other but as soon as Axl or Scott walks in they are all smiles and dont say shit.


I love both those guys but both are the most spineless fucking people I've ever seen in my life.

lol what a reasonable reason...  ::)

you can check the scans here for anyone interested

http://www.velvetrevolverforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=29458.msg680290#msg680290

That's what I've been saying.  Slash contributed to the situation, or at the very least didn't help the tension with Scott by deliberately giving him the cold shoulder.  But, then it's all about Scott showing up late and not being fully committed to the band, or whatever else.

I wouldn't say they are pussies, but Slash obviously has a problem being honest and open with his singers.  He keeps stuff that bothers him to himself, and he gave many examples of this in the book, and then it festers and builds into resentment and then a rift develops.  That's what happens when you aren't honest with someone about something they are doing that is bothering you.  You aren't able to get past it and it just grows and grows into something bigger than it needs to be if you actually deal with it.


Ali

It must be all Scott's fault!

How could any blame be put on a guy who lies to people?

They're four people agreeing, so obviously they must be telling the truth! Right?

"The TRUTH Rock On!!!!!!" - Matt Sorum.


 :hihi:



/jarmo

You lie to people ...  I guarantee it :)  Does that mean we should all hate you?  Course not.

Getting off topic again are we?

Oh no, somebody said something negative about Slash, bring up Axl or make it personal! Quick!  ::)




Slash isn't cursed. He made decisions that didn't work out. Instead of taking some responsibility, he blames Scott for everything.






/jarmo

It's not about hating someone or not hating them.  It's about not shifting all the blame for a situation not working out onto someone else.  In a complex group dynamic, how likely is it that it would be entirely one person's fault things didn't work out....twice!?

Ali

Ok you know what I wasn't going to respond but you take things so far. He took it upon himself to say that Scott was given the cold shoulder but that isn't good enough for you.  So you say Slash is a liar , we all lie. But of course don't make it "personal" right. You make it seem like Slash lies and lies and lies all the time. Seriously you're way to biased , it's on thing to take a persons word with a grain of salt. But anything Slash says is apparently either a lie or him being a sell out.  You people desperately want to make Slash out to be the horrible one , I'm not saying he is the best person in the world.

omg here we are again... let me facilitate a bit:

Slash is a liar.
Scott is a douche.
both are to blame.
but Matt is the worse!

easy!  ;D

Slash isnt blaming it all on Scott only. saying you're ignoring someone and not talking to that person, singer in this case, is an open admission for his own imperfection, too.

yeah, now come the replies he doesnt think so and its all about Slash's addiction to look cool in the media, come on  ::)  its not ONLY like that in this interview.

perfect resolution for Scott: not replying at all this year or longer. Slash should shut up, too. but both wont do it, kinda a "who did more drugs"-race  ;D

Yeah, but in Slash's admission that he and the others gave Weiland the cold shoulder is there any concession that may have exacerbated the tension?

It doesn't sound like it to me.  It sounds like he enjoyed "surprising" Weiland with the news that he already fired from the band.  Yeah, passive aggressive behavior like that always helps ease tension in a situation  :hihi:

Though, I suppose at that point no one cared because for all intents and purposes Weiland was out of the band.

Ali

nobody spoke to him, i imagine he was quite uncomfortable.
^ Does that not say that he understands that their behavior made scott feel uneasy?
Scott thought he was ahead of the game and going to be a wise man and tell everyone he was out , but Slash and Co. were firing him anyways. So yeah I understand the excitement

Here's the thing:  Acknowledging you are doing something to make someone uncomfortable is one thing.  Caring about it is another.  Caring about it enough to do something differently for the benefit of the relationship.  That's what I'm saying.

But, like I said, maybe at that point it didn't matter because the writing was on the wall.'

Still, that passive aggressive crap is never helpful.

Ali

a subtle question... how do you fire a band member? you tell him to go? you end his contract?
did slash and the guys have the power to actually fire scott?  ???

Not taking sides (because I don't believe much that comes outta Slash's mouth and he should just learn to shut the hell up sometimes) but playing Devils advocate.

Has either of the singers Slash's worked with ever taken any responsibility for anything detrimental either?  Has either one of them
ever stepped up and taken blame for anything negative
that's happened with either their former band(s) or incarnations of?

I seem to remember a few ill advised, finger pointing press releases.

Point being:

I can't remember anyone involved ever handling bandmates leaving/being fired etc in a professional manner..

You bring up very good points. I'd like to hear answers to them. Because as far as I know neither of them have stepped up and acknowledged their part in anything.

But yeah I mean at that point Ali it didn't matter so I don't see why he should care.

Don't you think there's a reason for why things got that far?

You can't fucking expect all of us to buy the "Scott's a junkie" excuse when we know how Slash acts.




Oh, so now we all lie.  ::)


Like Ali pointed out, if you lie to people and you're not honest with them, don't act surprised if you start having issues!


Do I think Scott has issues, yes.
Do I think Scott is innocent, no.
Do I think Slash is innocent, no.



Slash knew what Scott's reputation was. He saw it pretty early on in VR, but he didn't seem to mind when the album was selling.

The same guy who apparently was supporting Scott in February is now saying they were thinking about replacing him for the UK leg.


If Scott was feeling insecure about the GN'R connection, that's understandable for a guy who's not exactly an original. So what did Slash do? He kept talking about GN'R in almost every interview he did.

Then you have Slash lying to his band mates about where he went early one morning. That really must've made Scott trust Slash!

Add jealousy and egos to the mix and you got one hell of a soap opera.


All this shit does is to prove that these guys aren't just innocent bystanders.





/jarmo

That's a fair point, but with regards to singer #1 (let's call him that), I have a better question:

How much have you heard him say in the last decade and a half, at all?  :)

At least regards to his professional relationship with Slash.  Though I do remember in Rollingstone he said it was like a "divorce".  And with another skilled  lead guitarist who left the band, he said that he "may have done (band X) a disservice and unintentionally allowed (band X) to be put in this position."

That's all I remember.  Is it close to what you were describing as accepting responsibility?  Depends on your perspective.

With Mr. Weiland, there is still time for him to chime in and accept some blame.  Maybe he will

Ali

Where exactly does Slash used the "junkie" excuse?? Of course he put up with crap when album sales where good,  because ALBUMS SALES WERE GOOD! It's a business. I still fail to see how supporting Scott and kicking him out are linked. You can support someone as a friend and tell them that band mates isn't working out. I've done it a couple times myself. He was asked about GN'R so he answered.  I never said they were innocent by-standers. But from your talking you make them seem to blame for everything.


Ali , whether or not he talked much or not. Have you ever heard Axl claim ANY type of responsibility for the bands demise? ( But then again its forbidden to bring Axl up in Slash convo's because then we are taking an easy way out right? )

I haven't heard anything specific, but then again you can't deny that he hasn't addressed the topic anywhere near as much as Slash has.  Maybe now that more time has passed...who knows?

Ali

Given Slash's comments - one-sided though they may be - it seems hard to believe they held on as long as they did.  I wonder how much of this was going on during the writing and recording of Libertad, if any?

"When he came back, he was supposed to go to rehab, so we postponed our Austrailian tour but he didn't really go to rehab. That was the final blow."

As far as I know, you go to rehab when you have a problem with drugs or other substances?




Exactly.

As long as you're making money with him in the band, the issues didn't matter.

What if they had mattered?





Ok. Fair enough.

Do you think Slash will call Scott and ask him how he's doing?

Would you say Slash is supporting Scott like you're saying he could?




Read:




/jarmo

"We basically didn't speak a word that whole time, we gave him the cold shoulder in the UK like nobody's business. "

Real supportive....

Trust ME!


One should of looked at that Co. to start out with imo!  But, hey - I can be biased.


Yes, they are precious little ducklings.  And Axl must be that ugly duckling the story was really written about.  Right?


Sort of?  Seriously?  That guy must be a dick irl.  ;)

-

Didn't Slash say how their troubles in the past made them a stronger band, that it built character and it helped them to grow to be a better band?  I know isn't word for word, but that was his intention - right?  Now, Scott's out and Slash says that they were planning on getting rid of him anyway.  Easier to blame someone else, than to take responsibility.  To give someone as he so kindly put "the cold shoulder" is a very mature way to handle a band that he said loves its fans?  : ok:

Who put VR together?  Who chose what went in? Wasn't it, Slash?  I see this interview as a way that could shine some light on how he must really be, and not what he portrays on being in the publics' eye.  We all know that he has lied in the past, more than once in many different occasions.  Well, I suppose I know more than most.  It's obnoxious that if something is said .. say about Axl, then it must be true and most is quick to judge, but if it's about Slash, no - that can't be, I want to see proof! 

Slash wrote a book full of lies and people still bought it and turned it into a bestseller....and some even believed the things he said......It's like with America - at least 51% of the people must be idiots since they elected and re-elected Bush.

I asked if Slash was going to man up and take any of the blame in one of the other threads about vr breaking up, and I got attacked by the slash fans here. Looks like I was right when I said I didn't think he would. He never does, it's always someone else's fault; former singer, real estate agent, some bum on the street corner. It can never be slash's fault though, nope that's just not possible!  ::)

Well, I think that some maturity and responsibility should come into play.  Doesn't mean that one must stop being a Slash fan.  But with everything that has been backed about things that were done or said should take into some sort of account.  And people portrayed as saints shouldn't be looked so innocently. 

Like someone so amazingly put, WE ALL LIE!

It's like, I wonder if they just throw idiotic ideas against stucco and whatever sticks, they choose it to run with.

Well said.

We all make mistakes, too.  Rare is the situation where all a relationship's problems and the subsequent blame for that relationship's eventual demise can be fairly attributed a single person.

Ali

The only surprising thing about this interview is that Slash went against his carefully crafted image and actually admitted to acting this way instead of putting forth the "too cool for school, just wants to play real rock n roll" stuff that he usually does

But really, he's proven to be a compulsive liar, and shows many traits of a textbook narcissist.  He had a falling out with Axl in GnR and acted like everything that went poorly with the old Guns lineup was Axl's fault, but then the bands he's been in since then that he started fell apart and the people left on bad terms.  The second Snakepit lineup had a major falling out and it was all Rod Jackson's fault.  Velvet Revolver has a major falling out and it's all Weiland. 

A lot of people have bought Slash's public image hook, line, and sinker, and refuse to see all the telltale signs that beneath it all he routinely lies and changes his story, and shows a lot of the signs of narcissism and an egomaniac

Seems to me Snakepit 1 was his most stable band.  Maybe that is the band that should be reunited!

I hate when anyone doesn't take responsibility or fault.


Its like Scott was the sole problem in the band.

Slash has no backbone.

He didnt want to do "Cant get it out of my head" but guess what? He caved because thats what he does.

He doesnt like goin on late but never once confronted Axl or Scott.

He waits till they have parted ways to say shit about them

that is being a pussy

Not man enough to say shit to their faces.


That being said, I still love slash and think he is the greatest guitarist alive.

But once again, U dont have to support everything someone does to be a fan

A true fan calls the artist out on their shit.

But you still have not ONE ouce of proof that is was Slash's fault... so you're still talking from your ass if you think he should accept blame.  I'm not saying he shouldn't ... I don't know Slash.  Nor do you.

You aren't the 'fan' you say you are then man ... The whole fucking band confronted Axl over the lateness time and time again... and the Scott thing, you don't know what he did... Saying this just makes you sound like you're an angry HTGTH loser.  Come on, I thought better of you than that.

Great posts.  People have to understand that most of these people have never had to grow up past the age of 17/18.  They're not models for maturity or how to handle delicate situations.  The day Axl, Slash, Scott or any rock n' roll star becomes my barometer for how to be responsible and take ownership for mistakes is the day I look to China for human rights.

They're all little children in a certain respect, let's not expect anything else out of their behaviour.

Cheers,

Andrew

What does it matter how many times he's brought it up. If anything that's hiding from the issue.
If you think that that was close to 'accepting responsibility' (which it was far from) then how is this interview with Slash any different? He is basically saying that he and the other guys drove Scott out by ostrasizing him. Do you people want him to say 'I am responsible'? None would ever say that. If you split up with an ex would you say a week after it happened 'it was all my fault, I am responsible for it fucking up' much less in a public forum? Doubt it. Slash said a reason for the split was tension, and he all but admited straight out that he added to that tension intentionally. If that isn't stating responsibility I don't know what is! I don't know how fucking clearer you want it!
Fuck, for people who are so obsessed with not reading into things on another section of this forum, you sure do get your fill here.

Sometimes I reckon all of the usual people who obviously have no interest in VR come into these threads just to get their bitching and moaning out of their system.
"Oh, there is a new Slash interview... Don't people know that Slash lies? I must tell them!" Yes we do get it. So why don't you people keep a lid on it for once and stay out and stop fucking up topics by throwing sparks on fuel trying to instigate fights?

He doesnt like goin on late but never once confronted Axl or Scott.
   ^If Slash or Duff doesn't confront them they are Spineless and pussies. If Matt does he is an arrogant prick. Yeah exactly. You haven't been in a band you have NO idea how it works. You put up with crap like that to keep it going.

He didnt want to do "Cant get it out of my head" but guess what? He caved because thats what he does.
  He didn't want to do NR or Estranged , but those become some of his stable songs. It's not really caving in , it's make choices as a BAND.

If u cant see the difference between Estranged/NR and Cant Get it Out of My Head then u must have been kidnapped by aliens and given a lobotomy.

The one thing I hate is nutswingers *oh this guy is perfect, oh that gu y is perfect.

It disgusts me on both ends. I hate when people do it with Axl and I hate when people do it with Slash.

saying a guy is at fault or is wrong every once in awhile is not taking away the fact u are a fan.

Bon Jovi does a country album......... I say its a horrible fuckin idea and Jon has lost his mind. I still support him and the band though, but I dont agree.

Its really easy to have a mind of your own and to give honest opinions.


I am a person who is right down the middle and doesnt worship one way or the other. Axl is my hero but if he does something I dont agree with, I say so........ Slash is equally my hero but if he does something I dont agree with, yes u better believe I am gonna disagree and let that be known.


Scott has issues. they know it, and they have their own issues. Slash had to check into rehab for Oxy use, so Scott has problems and they get mad at him? That is hypocritical and complete bullshit.

U have a problem with someone, u solve it, u dont give them the cold shoulder like an 8 year old. that only compounds the problems.

Matt Sorum isn't an arrogant prick for confronting Axl, he is an arrogant prick for many more reasons than that.

On the subject, Matt Sorum even said that they would have this speech of confronting axl, he'd walk towards Axl's dressing room and Duff and SLash would run the other way.


Great musicians, my heroes, but they are spineless which is why they are no longer in GNR and now VR is completely fucked.


Scott has a lot of fault but Slash and Co acting like its all his fault is bullshit.

I don't understand at all what the first statement means.  Axl not addressing the issue isn't hiding from it when he doesn't speak much at all about ANYTHING.  It isn't like he's selectively avoiding one issue.

And I what said about accepting responsibility was in regards to the mask-wearing guitarist quitting, not Slash.  He admitted he did the rest of the band a disservice by going out of his way to accommodate Bucket.  Yes, that to me is accepting responsibility for the effects of your actions.

Like I said before, and yes, I'll restate this because you apparently missed it, it isn't about admitting you did something, it's about caring that you did.  Do you really think he cared about giving Scott the cold shoulder on the Euro tour when he knew Scott was going to be fired?

I don't think so.  He added to the tension and didn't care, at best, or at worst, took pleasure in it in as a passive aggressive move.

Slash has had problems with three singers.  He has been the only constant in those situations.  That says something if not about him, about the way he operates in a band situation.

Ali

Axl has had problems with Slash , Duff , Matt , Izzy , Steven , Buckethead etc. He's been the only constant in that situation as well. Same can be said for him. You may want to blame Slash ( as some people blame Axl ) for demise of stuff but it's everybody attributing to the situation.

And that has what to do with Slash and the breakup of Velvet Revolver?  And I where did I say Slash should be blamed entirely?

Ali

You said he's the only constant. I'm saying ok take Axl as an example he is the only constant in a band that has had lots of issues but that doesn't mean he is to blame. I really hate it when people do the whole "what does Axl have to do with blah blah blah" fact of the matter is it's a valid example , or counter example of your claim. You didn't say it but by That says something if not about him, makes it seem as if he is to blame.

I really don't think that them 'confronting' either Axl or Scott would have worked. You forget the egos involved all around. What do you think would have happened if Slash had confronted Axl? Do you think Axl would have gone like: 'Oh, yes he's right. I'll try and make it to the show on time...' or something like that?

More likely, Axl would have told Slash to go fuck himself and the band would have imploded a long time ago. Sometimes, you have to make concessions for the greater good. I think they did the right thing by sticking around as long as they could.

That still has nothing to do with Slash and Velvet Revolver and the breakup with Weiland.

It's got zero to do with this situation and I never said anything about Mr. Rose NOT having his own issues getting along with certain people.

What you call a "counter example" is really just changing the subject.

Ali

There is a different between making concessions and not having the balls to say something to someone's face.  Making concessions is not the same thing as suffering with a difficult situation in silence.

If you don't say anything to someone about something that's bothering you, it doesn't go away.  It will rear it's ugly head sooner or later.  By then you will have lost any opportunity to move forward and get past the situation.

Ali

I don't see it as that basically what I'm saying is even though a person may be in a band ( or several bands as in Slash's ) case that break up that doesn't mean they don't operate it correctly. It's a band , its a group of people.

I never said Slash didn't operate correctly in a band, or incorrectly.  Like with anyone else in a band, Slash's history getting along with singers says that he may contribute to the situations not working out.  Which isn't to say that he's all to blame and that others are blameless.  Just that he shares in the blame.

Ali

The other VR members didn't want it to work with Scott.  Period.  They wanted it to work with Axl and it did for almost 11 years, but only well for 8.  They got so sick of them they chose to ignore them.  I too have been guilty of this.  I once ended a partnership with a guy I hated so much I just wanted to finish our last job take the loss, and move on!!!!  And that is what Slash, Matt, Duff, and Dave did for the most part.  They had to finish their shows and they did. 

I agree with D on some points.  The other 4 aren't saints and they made the mistake in getting Weiland in the first place.  I am sure they made plenty of mistakes.  In the end, they are probably better off now and can move on.

Very good point, Ali,  I'm one that very firmly believes in open communication and, if something's bothering you, then you talk to the person about it, like an adult, before it gets out of control.  It's better all around. 

However, Genesis made an excellent point, as well.  I mean, there are some people, in life, that you just don't or can't confront because you just can't.  They'll wig out.  In that case, it's kind of better to just keep the silence and go along until you see an "out".  If you can get out....   I'm not trying to make judgments upon anyone, here, I'm just sayin' that sometimes there are people in life that you just can't work it out with - you walk on eggshells.     

I don't know.  Axl has had his issues with some of the new guys and been able to work it out.  Maybe he would've wigged out, maybe not.  Did Slash really ever try to talk to him about stuff that bothered him like not getting a writing credit for "Estranged" or the going on stage late thing?  As far as the latter, Matt Sorum said no, whenever he tried to confront Axl about going on stage late, Slash and Duff went the other way and ducked the issue.

Even if someone may wig out, it's still in the end better for you to at least say something in a polite and respectful way.  And if it was that bad with Axl, then Slash should've left sooner.

Ali

I am just saying

If u didnt have the balls to say shit to Axl or Scott's face, U shouldnt once they are no longer with u, bash or talk shit about them from the comfort of your home or in a book.

either have the balls in the moment to confront the guy or shut up.

Thats just my opinion.


U were scared shitless of Axl and u were scared of Scott.

Just move on and forget about it but dont try to act like Mr Toughguy once u no longer have to face those guys in the same vicinity.

How mature is giving someone the cold shoulder? That is elementary school shit.


Worst of all I now believe 100 percent that Slash went to axl's house and said all that shit verbatim.

D, these guys (GNR former and current members) are the most frustrating to be fans of on the planet. 

I love AC/DC and never have to worry about all this fucking drama.

HAHA

Yeah I use to say that about Bon Jovi, but now Richie Sambora is going to shit. :hihi:

I think Matt was the only fucker (from the way he talks anyway) who had balls enough to try to stand up to Axl, and lost, in the end (fired, while the other 2 quit).  There's been a lot of guys who have come & gone, since then.  Obviously, we don't know any of them, and what really went on, so who really knows.  However, if Axl is truly bipolar, as supposedly, is Scott, then I  can only imagine - kind of makes for some very strong personalities.  You kind of learn to "tip toe" around just to keep something together that you believe in.  

In the end, no matter what, we still have the same 3 guys.  Either they are all fucking assholes who are, all 3, difficult to get along with, or they tend to get involved with lead singers who have some issues.  Don't know what that says about any of them and their personalities.  

      

A narcissist? I would think that condition more readily describes Weiland's actions. Whatever Slash is, I doubt that he is narciccistic.

I doubt that, too. 

It makes me wonder on why you see Scott as a mistake?  Wasn't VR a great rock and roll band?  What made it great?  Its music?  Its members?  So, now that Scott's out - then, it's like, well that dude was a loser anyways...


Never!  Because that book of his made me think everything but narcissism.   

this whole VR story is kind of pathetic. I remember back in the days a lot of people had blamed
axl for everything. of course he was difficult to deal with at that time, as every frontman who
has his owns demons to fight and deal with this gigantic success, but you can't picture slash
as an angel anymore, due to the way he acts with his alleged friends. scott is not an amazing
songwriter and singer, but at least i'm sure he tried to do his job at best.

the thing i find most funny is that slash praises everyone until he sees he doesn't want to work with them anymore.

he teared a new a.hole on Snakepit 2.0, even keri kelly, scott, Axl, pretty much everyone he's ever worked on in a record...

and then he portraits himself as the nicest dude around and everyone is just faulty.

specially for someone with an history of substance abuse to this day, i find it hard to believe everything he says. specially when he even blames others for their chemical ubuse, because they can't manage as well as he does ...

the interesting thing about him though is....that only us....old school, hardcore, devoted fans of these guys see the irony and hypocrisy....general rock fans don't see it that way at all...

why don't they?
why is it that they buy all of these untruths at face value...and never question it?

I never said Slash didn't operate correctly in a band, or incorrectly.  Like with anyone else in a band, Slash's history getting along with singers says that he may contribute to the situations not working out.  Which isn't to say that he's all to blame and that others are blameless.  Just that he shares in the blame.

Ali

---given the enourmous ego of Axl and Scott; it maybe they were resentful, jealous, threatended by the amount of adoration, publicity, popularity, respect etc that is always showered upon Slash......I mean they are the frontman and sound of their respective bands and hear Slash is stealing their thunder :P

because they have a life and therefor don't give a damn ::)

No wonder Axl and Weiland would be resentful of the treatment Slash recieves.......Slash is held up like some greek god who can do no wrong by a huge percentage of the GNR/VR fanbase.

Apart from on this message board i have NEVER heard a GNR fan criticise Slash, whereas it seems to be open season all the time on Axl-bashing.

Slash said he didn't wanna get into "negative" talk between him and Weiland............we will just have to wait for Slash to release his next mistake-filled "book" then.

 :rant: Apologies for the rant!  :peace:

You've got to be joking right? All the tension in the band started when Slash went to Axl's house and talked shit about his band mates. But oh no we must not mention anything bad about our lord and savior slash the almighty.  I'm sorry I ever said anything against the great slash.  ::)

HAHA.....I love it.  Please go post that in the 80 page Robin leaving thread.  :hihi:

In the end, if you had to force him out, it proves he wasn't the best guy for the job.  But they still made some good music.  Maybe he was right at the time, but a mistake in the long run.  If he wasn't a mistake, he would still be in the band.

It was right as long as the money was rolling in.....


They didn't have to force him out.

They just waited until they had played the scheduled gigs before telling him. At that point he had already decided he wasn't gonna continue with them.





He was unhappy about something and voiced his opinion. When asked if he would quit the band because he was unhappy, he said no. Then he got fired.

He's got balls?

Would you like to work with somebody like that?




/jarmo

All due respect, Lynn, you are assuming that Axl does not take any medication for bipolar disorder and that makes his personality strong or stronger.

Ali

It stuns me that you even TRY to spin this! lol ... Matt got fired because Axl doesn't like being told he is wrong.  Smple fact.  Fuck sake man ... when is your blinded mind going to accept that fact!  If you told Axl you didn't like one of his songs he'd probably bite your leg or try and take ownership of your site

:P

You calling me blinded? Hahahahahaha!

You, the guy who has never said anything bad about Matt.



Yes Matt was fired because the band didn't need Slash and the band didn't need Matt trying to run the show.

People who were there are even saying that it was Slash trying to show Axl how he's right and how Slash pretty much thought Axl would come crawling begging him to come back.




But instead of doing what people who actually have some balls would do, leave, he tried to stick around and milk the GN'R cow some more.


Now I know you see him as the poor innocent victim who was fired from GN'R for no reasons.  :'(



/jarmo

You've never said a bad thing about Axl... why do you have more valid reason to hate Matt?  At least I fucking praise Axl when he deserves it !!!  And for proof, I know you remember all my posts, I'm sure you can check them :P

Matt stood up to Axl ... he didn't try and run the fucking show.  Never has anyone said Matt tried to run any show.  Axl hasn't said it ... and nor has anyone else.  Except you.

You're absolutely foolish if you think Axl fired Matt just because he said something out of turn.  Axl fired Matt because he was jealous of Matt's loyalty to Slash.  And I'm sorry, but any fucking moron can see that his loyalty to Slash would and SHOULD be more than his loyalty to Axl's old friends from Indiana, who meant absolutely nothing in GnR.

I think the reasoning behind Matt getting fired is not as open and shut as you make it seem.  Matt says he was fired for sticking up for Slash and going after Paul Huge, Axl has said that Matt let it be known he was angling to get fired.

And if Axl reacted negatively to people criticizing his songs, then why would he bring friends (e.g. Marc Canter) down to the studio to ask them what they thought of the songs?

Ali

Yeah, the usual "I did say a nice thing about Axl" excuse.

The fact is, you attack me for being biased when you're the most biased Slash and Matt fan on this site.







I think Scott alluded to it by mentioning ego and jealousy.





Yes yes, you know everything, nobody else knows anything. Including people who were there.  :-X

I remember you arguing against what someone like Marc Canter said about the whole Snakepit stuff.....



His loyalty to Slash? You mean, he followed Slash when Slash quit the band because he was that loyal? Oh wait, he didn't.

Of course he'd want his friend in the band and he agreed with Slash. The whole "beg him back" thing. Obviously Axl wasn't into that nor did he need people who were waiting for him to beg Slash back into the band in his band.





/jarmo

Jarmo ... you're a narrow minded fool.  I give you plenty of good explanations but you just take press cuttings and store them in your mind as argument material.

Sorry but you didn't even acknowledge my first point in your last post because you don't have an excuse or answer ...

I'm done with arguing about this.  You're worse than a child.  You're fantasizing about these people as if you know them.  I always say I don't know them and maybe this and maybe that ... but every time you post it's as if it's fact.

Dude ... seriously ... get a life :)

Ah, the old insults.

First sign that you have nothing to stand on other than your pompous arrogant "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude.







You don't give good examples. You give your biased Matt Sorum is God preaching time after time.

We get it, you wanna have his babies and become pregnant guy #2 so you can be famous and be on Oprah.




I don't need an excuse.

Excuses are for those who do something and know they're wrong.

I don't think I can be wrong when it comes to my taste in music and who I choose to believe.





Oh right.

This is from the guy who has modeled his life after Slash.


You say you don't know them but act like you're right.

How the fuck can you even think you know anything based on the limited knowledge you have?



My opinion is based on what I've read and heard over the years.

Your opinion is based on your love for Slash and Matt.





I'm happy with my life. How about you?




/jarmo

well i was trying not to be too harsh  :P  but no argument here  :hihi:

I said "many" of the traits, particularly lacking empathy (for someone with as many drug and personal issues as he's had you'd think he'd be more understanding of others with similar issues), showing arrogant, patronizing, contemptuous behavior (listen to the way he talks about Axl and now Weiland), selfishly takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends (he knew Weiland's reputation and hooked up with him anyway because he knew they'd sell more records with Weiland), has a sense of entitlement (thinks everyone should do things his way, thinks anyone who has different artistic methods and tastes is wrong and doesn't know what they're doing)

Wow, this has become like a psycho-analysis of Slash's personality. Beleive what you want to beleive, no one can change that.

Scott left/was asked to leave for many reasons, no one is fully to blame (except maybe Dave Kushner, we all know he's a trouble maker ::))

Who cares why Matt was fired by Axl, does it make him any less of a drummer? And frankly, being fired was probably the best thing for him, otherwise he'd be sitting around for 11 years.

Not to mention how fucking great it was for GN'R!  : ok:




The band that spent time trying to convince us they were the last real dangerous and unpredictable rock band on the planet fires their singer for becoming just that, unpredictable.





/jarmo

I think I even heard Slash admit to something like this in one of the Marc Canter interviews. I was going to post but forgot.

As for this whole VR fiasco, it just shows how much Slash and Duff, but Slash in particular, have a lot more to do with the breakup of GNR than just Axl.

Look, we all know Axls antics, but he def does get too much of the blame for the breakup of the band. Slash is a phony. Look at his track record since GNR. Weiland is a poser too but Slash has to take blame because he hand picked the guy. I dont feel bad for him about his frontman issues.

 

Exactly.


But instead it's all about "Slash is cursed"....



/jarmo

 :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

U know I didnt even think about that

How dangerous, Sulk in a corner till your singer gets back with his old band.

So if your in a band you must like EVERY direction it takes. Thats the logic you've shown here. He didn't like something voiced his opinion , that doesn't mean you have to quit the band. Really it all boils down to Axl hates to be told he is wrong. You call us biased but it is very apparent that you are as well. You may not have to flatly say it but its there. Then people start saying it shows how Slash contributed to the GN'R break-up. It's sad its all there , Axl hates being told he's wrong. No matter what.

Axl hates to be told  he's wrong?

thats exactly my point

Slash and Duff never had the balls to tell him they thought he was wrong.

They basically sulked until they quit.

maybe if they werent so strung out and had better communication skills, they would've gotten a long better with Axl? and VR maybe wouldnt have broken up?

I know and Jarmo makes it seem as if Matt was attempting to "run the show" when he does stand up to Axl , which is just what he would have said of Slash and Duff or anyone that stands up to Axl. Point is they are damned both ways.

Do you think he didnt?

How could he NOT? It's a band and they all did something to contribute to the issue. But I think some people really make it seem as if it was mostly his fault. I think Slash contributed to the break up but I honestly just think Axl contributed more to the situation. That is just my opinion. Obviously Slash contributed to the falling out of GN'R.

Agreed. I just think Slash had more to do with it then people think. And over time Axl has taking too much of the blame for it

A lot of people seem to ignore the fact that he was on drugs and booze and it's hard to work with people in that condition. He's reluctance to want to take part in songs rubbed Axl in the wrong way.

Who contributed how much to the breakup of the original GN'R is really impossible to say without us having been there.  We've only really heard Slash's side of the story in any great depth any way.  Not Axl's.  The only thing that is more than likely true is that everyone contributed to the dissolution of the original band.  How much is completely subjective and unquantifiable.

Ali

This may be true in regards to Weiland, he obviously had an inferiority complex about the the GNR stuff

But it's an absurd statement about Axl.  There is absolutely no evidence that he was ever jealous of Slash, nobody close to the band has ever suggested it and none of the things Axl has ever said or done suggests that it was even an issue

Unless Axl rejecting Slash's work for the UYI follow up because he knew Slash was capable of much better is a sign of jealousy.  Get real.  Everyone knows that Axl always wanted Slash and everyone else in GnR to push themselves and maximize their talents, that's not the sign of someone afraid of getting shown up

We have heard some of Axl's story, in the 2002 press release he basically said that Slash wasn't willing to work hard enough to take Guns to the next level.  Looking at the quality of Slash's output since leaving GnR pretty much corroborates Axl's story

Yeah, but Axl has never given his full side of the story like Slash, with timelines and real specifics as far as events and consequences.  I'd be very curious to hear that.  Maybe Del James can help him with his autobiograpy? :)

Anyway, to bring this back on topic.  I'm sure that Slash along with the others contributed to the demise of the original GN'R, just like I'm sure that Slash and the others contributed to the demise of Velvet Revolver.  Whether he sees it that way or wants to admit it is up to him.

Ali

Oh there you are.

I'm sorry but I never saw your response to the question I asked about Slash still supporting Scott like you said he might.

Do you think Slash is gonna check on Scott in the near future? You know, support him even though he fired Scott, or claims to have fired him.....




How would you know anything about what Axl hates or doesn't hate?

Doesn't it seem somewhat ironic that both Axl AND Scott have had problems with this drummer?

Stop acting like Matt is innocent. The guy has admitted he had a major drug problem at the time. That probably helped his cause a lot too!



Let me get this straight, you're unhappy at your job. Your boss/manager knows you hate it and your so called loyalty is somewhere else.

You tell him how wrong he is and everybody knows it's not based on anything more than you wanting your friend back.

You think this would be the optimal scenario for that particular team/company/whatever?



I never claimed to be objective, I'm a GN'R fan. But you don't see me using the "I said a nice thing about X so it's ok for me to bash him/them" excuse either.










/jarmo

I'm not saying he is innocent at all. Comparing a band to a "job" or "company" is very different it's a band and it functions very different.

In some ways, sure.

But it's both essentially about working as a team.


That's why companies spend money and time on team building.....






/jarmo

Jarmo, I mentioned this a few weeks ago and you told me it wasn't important that you didn't have to be friends and all that to be a good band... but now its important... Interesting.

You can work well with someone on a team and not be friends with them.  Look at Shaq and Kobe, they disliked each other tremendously and won 3 titles together

I said if GNR the band hung out more together we may not be wondering about Robin either....

It's not about being friends.

It's about working together towards one goal.

If you hate being there and your loyalties are somewhere else, you're probably not performing like you would if you're inspired, motivated and happy.





/jarmo

Yeah but when all was said and done Shaq still left.

Dude, did you ever see that picture of GN'R on tour when Robin had his birthday and everyone dressed like Robin, complete with fake beard, for his birthday?

The guys in the band are friends.  I have no doubts about that.

Ali

Maybe, maybe not but we're talking about two different things.  You don't have to be friends with the people in your band, or your team, or at your work, but you do have to communicate and be able to set aside difference and work together for the common goal

We don't know what the details of Robin's situation is, but I'd be willing to bet it has little to do with how often the guys hang out, which by the way, nobody knows either.  How should any of us know how often Robin hung out with other people in Guns?

Well now it's all about how great friends the GN'R guys are.  ::)

So, STFU about Robin.

He has NOTHING to do with the soap opera called Velvet Revolver.




How close friends are the VR guys?

Do you think Slash was going over to Scott's for barbecues?

Was Dave hanging out with Matt?






/jarmo

If it's got nothing to do with VR, stop using it as a comparison, you self righteous ass.

:)

Oh fuck off already.  :)

Let me show you the logout button.  :)


I warned you last time, but you've obviously got some reading comprehension issues.  :)



 :)


/jarmo

U dont have to be friends but u do have to have a collective level of respect for one another.

Throwing a guy under the bus and ignoring him because he has long documented issues is hypocritical and ridiculous.


U think it will ever click in Slash's head, that communicating with someone before things blow up would be a great idea?

U cant let stuff stay inside for years and finally exploding.

If the first time Scott did something he didnt like, he should've spoke up.

Slash fears confrontation though, so he is unable to do so.

Slash never hung out with Scott.  Slash often said he wasn't the type of guy you couldn't sit around and have a beer with.  The other 4 are pretty fucking close.  I agree, you don't have to be best pals, but it sure fucking helps!

That is why scott wasn't a good choice since day one!!!!  Look, they need a guy like Brian Johnson that knows his role and is 100% behind the band.  Scott wasn't.  Brian knew Bon Scott was loved and he would always be compared to him.  He didn't mind.  Infact, he embraced it.  VR needs a guy like him. 

^

Yeah but that is where u just arent getting it


There isnt a Brian Johnson on every corner in every town in America


Finding a frontman with that kind of talent and that level of professionalism is damn near impossible.


Finding a frontman period is almost impossible.

Not a whole lot of great frontmen around anymore.

If fucking Slash and Duff can't find said singer, nobody can!  They need to stop acting like pussy's and only get the best.

Lenny Kravitz for me would be fun and he doesn't seem to have an ego to me.
Falcon likes Billy Morrison, but Lenny probably more talented overall.

Yeah but why would Lenny Kravitz want to do that?

Because of this,

The New VR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-rDWd2cGqU

Lenny is an established solo star, I dont know why he'd join a band replacing someone......... He'd maybe do one song on an album but not officially join a group.

D, Damnit, just play along and say, "Smoking Guns, you are right, Lenny would be kick ass, I would love to see it."  make me feel good for a second... hahaha.

I've seen this posted a few times around here - about all the tensions starting when Slash went to Axl's house - and it's stated like it's a fact (like above).  The tensions, that existed, most likely started long before that, so I don't think it's accurate, at all, to pinpoint that event as the starting point.  It certainly didn't help, but I doubt that's where it all started and why. 

That's ok.  I didn't mean it to sound that way.  Although, didn't he once say that he wasn't taking medications for it?  (it may be different today, though)  Either way, I've been under the impression that he has a very strong personality (which isn't a bad thing). 

Sorry to post this a couple pages later, but I'm just now catching up.   

I know this is old news, now, and has been hashed over, but I didn't get a chance to respond.   :D

Would I like to work with someone like that?  What?  With balls?  I do, every day.  It's part of life.  Some people have 'em.  Some people don't.  Or, did you mean with someone like Matt?  I have no idea what he's really like, so I couldn't answer that. 

But, to be asked to quit because a person voices their opinion, and if they don't quit, then they're fired...that's sort of harsh.  To be fired because they're unhappy is sort of harsh.  (Of course, I work under union rules - it's very difficult to be fired under any circumstances.... :P  ::)).  And didn't his final demise happen because he stood up for the guitarist when that person was being talked about? 

You are just rambling and rambling... When do you actually stop and think - wait, I don't have a clue on what I am talking about.  If you met Axl irl, you would feel so differently, but you don't - so you assume.  You can tell Axl you don't like one of his songs, but would you really?  If so, why?  Would it make you sleep better at night?  Somethings are better left unsaid.  Why?  Well, maybe because it doesn't really make a difference what you thought about one song that you might of disliked, but others just simply love.  You go on how you give Axl credit when it is due, give me your address so we can send you a thank you card. 

Matt's loyalty?  Have you sat down with Matt and talked with him about things that truly matter in his life?  Did he show you his "I love Slash" tattoo?  Maybe he has a Slash Butt-Buddy badge that he flossed around town.   I am only guessing here, but Matt's only reason to be playing with Slash is that he is a weak drummer that can't really start a band of his own.  Slash's self centered ways always gets him the same conclusion.

Now, I am not really sure if you got banned for being dumb - but, if not - thanks for being a GNR fan and a VR fanboi.

So you know these things? You are assuming too. Did you read Lynn's post I agree with everything said. It's like some form of communism

I don't like this
Really? You're Fired

.... mature?  ::)

Have you sat down with Axl and talked these things over? I love how you call him out for assuming , and you are doing the same thing. We ALL are.

If you only knew.

You might want to rethink that part. ;)

"Feel the Burn", you are making yourself look foolish.   stop and think before you post, seriously dude.  :no:

I fail to see how by me asking him the same question I'm making myself looking dumb??

First, thanks, but, I never said it was about "communism", nor did I mean it to sound that way...

Second, um, you might sometimes want to watch what you say and to whom, around here.  Just sayin.  Never assume anything.  

I didn't mean literal communism (obviously?) i mean its like one person is in control , if somebody voices their unhappiness with the band he is fired? That is far how a band should function.

Second? I don't even know what that was supposed to mean.

It doesn't matter - but when you figure it out... should be a good giggle.

I understand what you are saying, regardless of how far from the truth it actually is. 

Well I really don't think I'll figure it out..

But yeah basically we are all assuming stuff..

Just to be nice to you, Fernando knows Axl better than anybody else on these forums.  So just stop right there

Ever notice how everyone who has worked with Axl since Slash and Duff and Matt left has compliment him on how talented and open-minded he is?  I don't think it's a coincidence.  Everyone who has ever worked with him respects him, even people who are still bitter about it, like Slash and Matt

And exactly how does he "know axl better"?

Zakk Wylde didn't have great things to say about him , and I'm sure I've seen other quotes as well. Not everyone has said good things. Bitter? Doubt it. People have said the same thing about Slash with his guest spots? I don't think its a "coincidence"

Dude, check your PMs

I have lived with him for about 14years.

Thanks , well with that info my question still remains. We are all assuming on the situation. So by asking someone if the have talked to Matt about things. I was merely turning the tables.

lol.. he felt so foolish he deleted his account.   i wonder what his next screenname will be.

He did?!? 

Wow! I guess ignorance is bliss, and embarrassment is without balls.

So, yeah, Weiland's still a douche :hihi:

He didn't seem to like the piano ballads, he didn't like that Axl is Axl and he didn't like that Slash was out of the band.

Thats the kind of drummer you want. Right?


Slash quit the band. He didn't try to stay around like Matt. I guess he thought Axl couldn't go on without him and he'd be asked to rejoin.



RageNirvanaNIN, I mean Feel-The-Burn is gone again.... And this time it had nothing to do with me.




/jarmo

please keep in mind that Matt "saved" the band in 1990, proven in a couple of interviews by Slash, Axl(!) & Co.

And that gives him the right to be a dick?  :P



He "saved" the band just like Gilby did, or Frank. Or anybody else who stepped in.




/jarmo

So what happened with Feel the Burn.  He said something about Fernando, then Fernando said he had been living with Axl for 14 years then Feel the Burn left?

I think he made himself look like a total fool and tried to save face by deleting his account.

Let's see what his third user name will be.





/jarmo

Thats no reason to delete your account

shit, If I deleted my account everytime I said or did something stupid, Id be on Username 25 or so.

I would've liked if Slash would've took a little blame on himself and the rest of the band instead of putting it all on Scott.

No matter what kind of relationship u are talking about, when it goes bad, both parties always have the blame to share. Its rarely ever only one side or one person in the relationship.

You're too modest.....

It'd be at least four digits....  ;D





Especially when the other side has been involved in another split in the past.



/jarmo

Yeah that was a typo, guess I shouldve said 2500........ :hihi:



I just find it strange, that this split seems eerily similiar to the last band Slash was in that split.  I think the problem with the last split was just the fact Axl isn't a media whore and didnt talk about it constantly. The fact Slash is a media whore and talked talked talked got his side of the story out there more therefore people usually believe the first thing they hear so u get this perception that isnt entirely true.

Im sure all parties had some fault but I am really beginning to see that Slash and Co had a hell of a lot more fault than people realize.

Scott had a bad split from his band too where the other members "teamed up against him."

totally different thing with studio/live, you know that.

That's my biggest problem with him sometimes.  He's constantly doing interviews and giving "insider" details on everything.  Keep some things to yourself.  And why is he doing interviews right now?  What the fuck is he promoting?

Essentially they all did the same thing, allowed the band to move forward.

It doesn't mean Matt Sorum is the sole reason GN'R has existed beyond 1990.  ;)





/jarmo

Of course Scott had fault in STP breaking up just like he has fault in VR breaking up

Its like people only want to blame one or the other without realizing that each side is at fault.

To Scott he probably feels it is Slash and Co's fault, and vice versa.



Matt Sorum saved GNR, if u dont believe me, check out all the writing credits on UYI's. that album would've been a bunch of My Worlds had he not signed on ::) :hihi: :hihi:

you can spin it like you want, Matt helped much more in GN'R history than any other replacement. i'm not a fan of Matt but he deserves a lot credits for the illusion period. and some here try to take away kinda everything the old band members did.

whats next? "Frank has saved the band" or "Axl wrote AFD"?

he may very well have.   brain had new committments with his daughter mid-tour. 

That's human nature, though, right?  Do you think either side is going to say, "Yeah, this didn't work out because I was acting like a shithead."?  Of course, people want to place all the blame on the other party.  There's always two sides to every story, though.       

Himself.   : ok:

How can you say that?




He came in and played drums.

That's what he was hired to do.

Sure, I enjoy listening to the albums he plays on, but that doesn't mean I'll have to think like the band would've ended if they had hired somebody else.





No, not the same at all.

You're trying to make him seem like some God sent gift to GN'R.

He's one lucky drummer with an ego!



Do you think The Cult fans see him as the guy who saved The Cult? Considering they've managed to keep going without him....





/jarmo

Slash is trying to convince everyone that they fired Weiland before he decided to move on, its sad. The more I hear from Slash the less respect I have for him as a person. He's a great guitar player and should just stick to that and keep his mouth shut.

The problem is, most fans tend to not differentiate  between Slash, the person (Saul Hudson) and Slash, the guitar hero. And then they get disappointed etc etc.

Slash the person ain?t flawless. Some may even add that he?s a liar. So be it.

Slash the rockstar is the musician you all love and see on stage. It?s a character he built so he could rise to fame. Would he be a plain guy (you know what I mean) he wouldn?t be as iconic and legendary as he is to this day. And with this I?m not taking away his value as a guitar player, which is enormous.

The thing is, you can?t expect Slash, the guitar hero to be as exceptional as a person as he is when playing guitar. They are two different individuals. That?s why you all get all revolted and dissapointed with his sayings...  : ok:

Hell forget about even having to accept some of the blame how about just keeping quiet? I don't think theres any reason to air absolutely everything out in public. I would have liked it if all parties, and obviously everyone is somewhat responsible, just kept quiet. A simple press release along the lines of "Scott has decided to persure other interests, his now former bandmates wish him luck on all future endeavors, and wish to make it known they plan to continue on with another singer." Then follow that up by being mature enough to say "no comment" when asked about it instead of everyone slinging shit at each other in the press.

Very true, but both Slash and Weiland have big mouths, so you know that was never going to happen.  When things go bad, Slash always goes out of his way to air it out to the press so he can save face and maintain his image.  This is why he is claiming that Weiland was fired or kicked out of the band AFTER Weiland had already announced in public that he was quitting.  This is why he continually went out of his way to criticize Axl every time someone put a mic in his face, and why he wrote a self-serving biography that again painted Axl in an unfavorable light and was filled with factual errors. 

And we all know that Weiland loves to launch into rants on his website and has no reservations about airing out dirty laundry in public.  So keeping it behind closed doors was never a realistic possibility given the parties involved

Where's Izzy, great post about what should have been said.  Taking the high road is the right thing to do in this situation.

Problem is nobody invlolved with any of these bands has ever taken the high road in regards to break ups/personel changes, former bandmates etc.

Everything from on stage rants/idiotic finger pointing press releases/face saving "firings"/lies on worldwide webcast radio shows.

None of the principal characters are remotely innocent, there's just no getting around it.

There's only so much shit you can take.....





/jarmo

Like this?  I see Scott taking the high road here... Still a douche, but did what was right to do.  Leaving the band and not belittling anyone in the way. 

Scott is going back to a band that used to put him down in the press worse than VR ever did

Yeah but Slash does have a pattern though


Remember when he totally trashed the producer of "Contraband" sayin how the guy didnt know how to record guitars and shit..........

well Slash, why didnt u say something to him during the recording process? why wait to years later and do it behind his back?

Funniest thing is, the guitars on Contraband are better than the ones on Libertad

I agree 100% about Slash waiting to say something, however I do think the guitars sound better on libertad.

I agree too. The guitars on Contraband are better than Libertad.

Maybe, Maybe.... Someday....

HBK *

Credit to Pencil Queen von Lux at the VR forum....

Apr 18, 2008
Slash Exclusive! The Truth About Weiland
   
 Guitar World spoke exclusively with Slash in New York on April 17, while he was in town to perform a benefit show with Tom Morello, Jerry Cantrell and Perry Farrell.

The guitarist discussed Velvet Revolver?s split with singer Scott Weiland:
?We had gotten to that point where we were resigned to the fact that we weren?t going to be working with Scott anymore, even before we left for the last leg of the tour,? says Slash. ?So when he said all that stuff onstage [at a gig in Scotland Weiland announced to fans that they were witnessing the group?s last tour] we were sort of surprised. Because we had no intention of breaking the band up. It might have been the last show for him, but it wasn?t the last show for Velvet Revolver.

On the fact that Weiland released a statement alleging ?certain individuals? were singing along with him onstage:

?Scott was under the impression that our drum tech was singing during the set, which was why he walked offstage at that show. We convinced him that wasn?t happening, but then the next night he said that Matt [Sorum] was doing it. He was firmly convinced that was happening, which it wasn?t.?

On the future:
?We?ve been writing, and there will be a new album. I?ve been recording some stuff at home, and I know that Duff has gone over to Matt?s to work on things. We also have a bunch of stuff we?ve jammed on at soundchecks. We?ll get together sometime soon and begin laying stuff down.?

did you read the same book as me? from reading Slash's book you get the feeling that even to this day slash doesn't understand what makes Axl tick, he never mentioned all the personal stuff that axl told him about his childhood, he just told his story which is intert-wined with Axl's story, and even slash says axl probably has different views of certain events that slash wrote about.

I think a lot of people had different views about pretty much everything he wrote about.

And so what if someone was singing?  ???

Yeah, Slash stated there are two times to each story.  He also went out of his way to blame Axl almost exclusively for the demise of the AFD and UYI lineups, well Axl and Doug Goldstein

But for example, he stated that he knew Izzy was trying to get clean and had stopped using, but never seemed to make the connection that him and Duff being shitfaced drunk and/or high as a kite and using booze and drugs freely around Izzy may have had an impact on him deciding to leave the band

He says he doesn't understand Axl, and that Axl has his own side of the story, but throughout the book, with just about every issue and conflict that arises, Slash goes out of his way to place all the blame at somebody else's feet

Slash makes Scott sound a bit paranoid.  :D

he does take some blame, but he does feel axl was unresonable in some cases. i'm sure people will say the same about slash, just don't like this constant hatred towards slash by people on this board, he's done nothing wrong!

Apr 18, 2008
Slash Exclusive! The Truth About Weiland
   
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Guitar World spoke exclusively with Slash in New York on April 17, while he was in town to perform a benefit show with Tom Morello, Jerry Cantrell and Perry Farrell.

The guitarist discussed Velvet Revolver?s split with singer Scott Weiland:

?We had gotten to that point where we were resigned to the fact that we weren?t going to be working with Scott anymore, even before we left for the last leg of the tour,? says Slash. ?So when he said all that stuff onstage [at a gig in Scotland Weiland announced to fans that they were witnessing the group?s last tour] we were sort of surprised. Because we had no intention of breaking the band up. It might have been the last show for him, but it wasn?t the last show for Velvet Revolver.

On the fact that Weiland released a statement alleging ?certain individuals? were singing along with him onstage:

?Scott was under the impression that our drum tech was singing during the set, which was why he walked offstage at that show. We convinced him that wasn?t happening, but then the next night he said that Matt [Sorum] was doing it. He was firmly convinced that was happening, which it wasn?t.?

On the future:
?We?ve been writing, and there will be a new album. I?ve been recording some stuff at home, and I know that Duff has gone over to Matt?s to work on things. We also have a bunch of stuff we?ve jammed on at soundchecks. We?ll get together sometime soon and begin laying stuff down.?

Pictured above, Slash performing with Jerry Cantrell at the Road Recovery Benefit in New York City on April 17, 2008.

from: http://www.guitarworld.com/article/slash_exclusive_the_truth_about_weiland