Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Nothing in there that jumps out as screaming of reliability, but still interesting and feels like we're getting closer!.   


Source: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/a93507/label-has-finished-guns-n-roses-album.html

i wouldn't hold my breath on that one  :-X

Beta and Baz say it and everyone doubts it. Some source that's probably not reliable runs the story and we're excited?

I think that EXACT same note was circulating a few months ago. Old news now.

Who's excited?  Like I said - nothing in there screams of reliability.    But press is press.  Maybe there is some truth to it. 

Haven't we all accepted this by now? Why is this considered news?

I'd never claim to speak for everyone on the forum. 


Feel free to going back to the idle speculation over Robin.

This is my point of view...

In 1999, 2002 and 2006 we were convinced Chinese Democracy was done and it probably was. For some reason the album couldn't be released. As time went by Axl (or other members of the band) thought the album could be improved, more songs were written, songs were changed, members changed, ... When the new version of the album was done other problems rose and the album couldn't be released. Time went by and more songs were written, more songs were changed, more members were replaced, ...
So what's up right now? We know the album is done but for some reason it can't be released. Maybe time will go by and...

ANYWAY---


Thankz


HBK *

This appears to be a spin off from the "Reality TV" article...

http://www.therockradio.com/

Probably, I think, if, maybe etc.


"We were convinced"?

Who's "we"?




/jarmo

Well, I was and on this board others were as well.
I'm actually sure you were convinced the album would be released in 2006.

Yes. That was what I hoped.

But then I realized it wasn't 100% finished (like I had assumed).


This time, that's not the case.   :)





/jarmo

I clearly remember tommy saying the album was gonna be finished in 2002.
that's the 'we'
:P

can't wait to have the damn cd in my hands. finally !

Thankz Friend.

HBK *

Here is the deal folks:

No one connected to the core of GnR ever confirmed 100% the album was finished... not until late 2007 Beta confirmed it.

Some then will mention the tentative March thing... but there it was never mentioned the album was finished either... in fact Axl clearly said in the same letter there were gonna be some additions.

So anyone who was expecting it before 2008 was just reading too much in too many things. And the people on internet created anticipation for an album that was not finished yet   :peace:

Yeah, me and Tommy  : ok:

Hoping/thinking it would get finished, and being convinced that it is finished, are two different things. So which one s it?


/jarmo

How could what I said be constrewed as negative?

I was hoping and thinking it would get finished. And I believed in Axl when he said "People will hear new music this year" http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9155514/axl_rose_breaks_his_silence (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9155514/axl_rose_breaks_his_silence) in 2006. But you're right, he didn't say "People will hear new Guns N' Roses music this year". And we did hear new music, many bands did in fact release new albums.

Same old shit.  ::)

It was his aim to get it out before the year ended.


You really want to have this discussion again?

Go read Axl's letter from December 2006. It's explained there.  : ok:



/jarmo

That's what I'm saying... and I was hoping and thinking it would happen. I was convinced it would happen. Like I'm hoping and thinking 2008 will be the year we've all been waiting for. And again, I'm convinced it can happen if legal matters or whatever went wrong before don't spoil things.

You, like many, read too much into stuff.

People wil hear music in 2006..?..... we got it, definitely.. be it at gigs or demo's, those were not on AfD songs : ok:

Axl never literally said, I am going to release the album 100% finished so suicide won't make wise guy comments on teh inernetz  :peace:

I remember when somebody asked if CD would be released in 2006. Axl answer was: Yeah, fall, late fall.

This post will be deleted in 10........9.............8..........

Do you understand the concept of hoping/wishing/planning?



/jarmo

I forget his username but a seemingly reliable poster over at mygnr claimed the album was handed over July 07', but I suppose that could be countered by the argument that Beta did not state until Dec 07' that the album was finished (aaaahh, but perhaps her information was a little late!)

I don't really know, but I am looking forward to new music, and with any luck it will be SOON

there is a MAJOR difference between "the album is done" and "the album has been delivered to the label."

and i haven't been following things too closely, but i didn't think we ever received any type of confirmation that Geffen was in possession of the completed album.

According to Baz, the album has been done for quite awhile... I have no doubts that the label has the finished album in their hands.

Will we see CD in 2008?? Oh yeah... it's coming.

I honestly wonder if Dr. Pepper will stand by what they said... Maybe EVERY American that buys the album will somehow be able to get a free can of soda?? I do know one thing, when the album does finally drop, the last thing I'll be thinking about is a free fucking can of Dr. Pepper.

We've been saying it for years on this board, but I do think this year is finally the year.

Jarmo, do you think the neogations are done as far as with their record contract, or do you think that now they hired management that their starting the discussions.  I personally hope all that's left is the marketing, video plans, ect that's left to do.

No, I don't.

I think everybody's main goal is to get everything sorted and get the album out as soon as possible.

Having a management team like Azoff/Gould on board don't seem like a disadvantage at all.  :)



/jarmo

Hey Jarmo,
    It sounds like you might have some insight that others do not.  I, like all, would love for the album to finally be released.  I am sure you can understand the skeptics after March 6, 2007 came and went, right?

from NME (http://www.nme.com/news/guns-n-roses/35812):

Guns N' Roses finish 'Chinese Democracy' album

Axl Rose has finally delivered the album to his record label

 Guns N Roses have reportedly finished work on 'Chinese Democracy', the album that Axl Rose has been working on for the past 14 years.

Therockradio.com reports that Geffen Records, the band's record label, have confirmed they have received a finished copy of the album, and are currently haggling over money and rights issues with Rose.

The album is reported to have cost in excess of $13million (?6.5million) to produce.

As previously reported, it is rumoured that a Guns N' Roses reality TV show is set to be broadcast to coincide with the release of the album.

Are you looking forward to the release of 'Chinese Democracy'? Do you reckon it will be worth the wait or has Rose been wasting his time? Let us know by commenting below on MyNME.

funny how rumours spread so quickly... NME already adressed the "reality-show" one..  ::)  (http://www.nme.com/news/nme/35811)

Wasn't the whole reality tv show thing proven false?

I'm so lost with the rumours now that I don't know up from down :confused:

I posted both this link and this thread this morning, only to have it deleted within minutes.   I really do try to adhere to all board rules, but this one confuses me....?

Great to see this making the rounds, rumor or not.  Hopefully more good things will keep coming...

I hope to God it's false... I can't think of an easier way to ruin credibility than to be on a reality show.

(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4615/8467gunsnrosesl110606di4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.nme.com/news/guns-n-roses/35812

Kick For You Ass... Minority Parlant...

 :rofl: :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl:

HBK *

It wasn't deleted.  Try looking in the thread about it that says it's FAKE!  ::)

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=51389.msg1061940#msg1061940

Yeah it is false. I was just adressing the fast spreading of the rumours... that end up being false. not surprised that you end up getting confused with all of this!  : ok:

As any Discworld afficionado knows, "A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on."   ;)


And that's gotta be an oxymoron if ever I heard one.   ;D

I caught that, thanks.  I probably should have been more precise with my language.  I was confused as to why my initial thread and post were moved/merged, yet this thread - with the same information and links about the album being finished - is allowed to grow.  I don't want to repeat my apparent misstep from earlier, hence my confusion.    :beer:

That said, it's hard to believe that this story/rumor isn't making the rounds at more places by now....more thank likely makes it all more "rumor" than "story."

Link REMOVE... Thankz F.M.

HB K*

snap. see the e online gossip thread.

^^From Idolator.com...

Every music site out there is a-twitter over a sentence that appeared in a TheRockRadio.com item about the possibility of Axl Rose entering the reality-TV game: "Sources at Rose's label, Geffen Records, said that a finished version of Chinese Democracy has been delivered to the company."

One wonders why would this news be delivered to the world via a Web site run by a couple of guys in Cyprus?sure, they have a weekly GNR-themed hour, but something tells me that won't suddenly result in Axl trusting them with his secrets.

And then one notices that TheRockRadio's speculation was directly lifted from an item about Axl's reality show from AllYourTV.com. You know, AllYourTV.com! Why a Web site that "focus[es] on just one subject?primetime and daytime television" is suddenly an authority on Axl Rose's messenger habits is beyond me; the fact that they ran with the NME's "Amy Winehouse on Dr. Who" April Fool's item on April 3 makes me even less inclined to go popping open those Dr. Pepper cans just yet.

Haha, didn't hear that one; although I think that Blake's Seven would've been more appropriate.   :D

after NME, it made Perez Hilton: http://perezhilton.com/2008-04-10-finally-4

hehe I know... it?s a celebrities blog... but millions of people around the world check that website everyday... so it?s good publicity... I think....

If you go on Google and type Guns N Roses in their news feed, it basically the same couple of stories just repeated. Its nice to see that the name is out there though.

 :)

Hey Jarmo

this sounds like it could be something big!

Peace

although its old news to us its still good to here outside of these forums

I get the feeling they're just putting up those news articles, because someone else did... Kind of like the news reporter in a helicopter for Channel 3 that reports, "There was a major accident on the freeway! We got here as soon as we saw it on Channel 6".

"for those of you who are waiting for the album...don't. Live your lives"
Someone said that at one time.......

It's interesting how this seems to be garnering even more publicity for Axl and the band than even the Dr. Pepper press release. There's now a picture of Axl (for the moment) on the home page of KROQ (Los Angeles radio station) along with a brief article in their news section.

http://www.kroq.com/ 

From 411mania regarding this...

OK, as much as I do NOT buy the Guns N' Roses hype, Chinese Democracy faces absolutely NO promotional hurtles. The thing could be announced tomorrow, release at the beginning of May and go double platinum by June. Look at how people go nuts at the mere mention of Axl. Hell, every time he's involved in a news item, it's one of our top read posts of the day.

Link?

Anyway, I think that this whole Robin business is a bunch of bantha fodder. Sorry, too much Star Wars as of late. But seriously. We've heard good news from Dr. Pepper, Azoff/Gould as the new management team, and the band and Axl working hard to make this album come to fruition. Whatever happens with the Robin situation, I believe in Axl's judgment and neither Guns N' Roses as a band or the fans will suffer in any way.

We're all so jaded, here, aren't we? 

(http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6756/2008yb6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


http://www.kroq.com/

 :smoking: :smoking: :smoking:

HBK *

Attack of the Show did a whole story on it last night too.

Just you cupcake  :peace:

Funny enough, the ticker was detailing the STP reunion tour. Also, when the CD story was on the artwork behind the host was the Asian Bandana Tieing CD atrwork we've seen but it was a much better, all red, version I've never seen before. Knowing G4 they probably took the lame version I've seen circulating and improved it for the story.

Edit: I just googled it and only found this version, thiers was much cleaner and looked significantly different with no text at all and the bandana was different... interesting. Does anyone know what I am talking about?

(http://amadeo.blog.com/repository/680184/1582500.jpg)

Seems like this could be the beginning of the "Promotion" we've been waiting for.

So is there some legitamacy to the reality show thing after all?

They're all referencing the same article.


I'm sure some TV executives would love to make a show about Axl just like they've done shows about Ozzy, Gene and so on.

That doesn't mean Axl's going to be on one any time soon.





/jarmo

Yes I saw the same thing. It was solid red with no lettering. They also advertised another site has their source :(

Well, the timing would be good with the Olympics and all!!!  The olympics will suck this year anyway. 

w?ll the press is all over Axl/Gnr again time to use it. or at least someone should tell them they are all over the news pretty big also world wide.....

so.... The tv show get's bit by bit Realistic. 


and RObin out 2.
cause he'll be playing NIN till september and more dates to be anounced.

maybe Axl was waiting for the Olympics in China to happen!  ;D Who knows? There?s no perfect timing than this year afterall...


btw, this news is really going all around the world... I was just watching the news on national television and ithere it was "Guns N? Roses have finished the album Chinese Democracy"... it?s everywhere!  :peace:

Cool  :)  maybe we'll see the album this year and if not, fine too lol, I'm over the whole bitching and whining about it

really Ines? where? TVI? SIC? RTP?

SIC!  ;D


mas apareceu só em rodapé...!  : ok:

EAE!

We need some oficial news !!!!!!
:)

WOW that got deleted quick?  and for what reason?  It looks like its finally shaping up, bring on the album in 08 baby.

Why is it that people who know that we don't discuss certain things here, still like to mention them and then act all innocent when the post is removed?




/jarmo

So all this is from the allyourtv.com "article"?  I guess if you tell people what they want to hear.

I just read another article where they are already asking Dr. Pepper to pony up. :D

I believe it was the first one mentioning Geffen having the album.




/jarmo

Yeah. I don't see Axl whoring himself out for reality television anytime soon. He's not the type to do things just for the sake of being famous.

Anyway, I hope we are closer to CD, but if not, oh well.

and the source was geffen according to them.

It's a featured story on Borders website too - accompanied by possibly one of the most unflattering photos of Slash I've seen in a long while.  Seems some people still haven't got a clue who's in the band.   :no:

Edited to add:  I haven't been checking all these reports that seem to have lead on from one another and so this might have been on the others as well, but the Borders site mention that CD is the first instalment in a trilogy.

AllYourTV editor responds to the Idolator story/their article:

04.10.08
?The Idolator? Is Pissy?Go Figure

Posted in From The Editors at 8:40 pm by Rick Ellis

I?ll be honest, I don?t read the ?Idolator? blog on a regular basis. Primarily because while I enjoy attitude over facts as much as the next person, reading it in post after post wears me out. And ?The Idolator? is like Dorothy Parker on meth. Lots of snarkiness and way too little interesting conversation.

So given that, I suppose I?m both flattered and annoyed that they?ve taken aim at AllYourTV

At first, I?m feeling good, because I think ?Hey, they?re actually supporting the little guy by pointing out that RockRadio.com just lifted the entire article, although they at least credited us at the top of the post.

Sigh. Okay, I?ll go through this slowly so the folks at Idolator can keep up.

I don?t claim to be an Axl Rose expert. But this is a reality TV show we?re talking about. And that?s something I do have some experience reporting about. As a matter of fact, everything in the article came from sources I either knew from my TV reporting, or from label sources that I was pointed to as a way of verifying the story.

I can write about an Axl Rose TV show and not actually be a Guns N? Roses expert. In the same way I could write about ?Dancing With The Stars? and not have a clue about how to do the Fox Trot.

As for the Amy Winehouse piece. Yeah, I got that it was fake. But it was a funny piece, and I thought the disclaimer at the bottom was obvious. Especially the part about us having to do the story two days late due to budgetary issues. But lots of people missed that, so I can?t really complain.

http://allyourtv.com/editorsblog/?p=33

Hopefully it's just a big assumption as far as the reality show is concerned. What Ozzy agreed to let MTV do was atrocious, I think it really dumbed Ozzy's mystic down and replaced it with people thinking he was a bumbling idiot. If they did do one on GNR and Axl, I would hope it'd be one long documentary, like A&E or behind the music. As far as Geffen having the finished product, let's hope there aren't anymore issues holding it up, and if there are, hope that Irving Azoff and Andy Gould would be able to help out the right way not like Merck.

there is a rumour going rond at the moment that says axl made a pact in 93' not to release another record until china got the olympics. when china got confirmed as host nation in 2001 it was when axl started to tour again........so people are saying the release date was figured out years ago, it was just a matter of time
as i say it is a rumour i have seen on the net and is not my own personal view.


edit: heres a link to the article
http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article/7077/news/music/gnr_delivers_democracy_to_geffen_amidst_conspiracy (http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article/7077/news/music/gnr_delivers_democracy_to_geffen_amidst_conspiracy)

Since you never said this, and are only repeating a rumor, I will say that this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Outright stupid.

i added a link to the article in my previous post. here is the link again
http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article/7077/news/music/gnr_delivers_democracy_to_geffen_amidst_conspiracy (http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article/7077/news/music/gnr_delivers_democracy_to_geffen_amidst_conspiracy)

Thanks, I just read it, amazing what people will come up with LOL! Was loosing all the old members and getting new one's all a part of Axl's elaborate plan to buy more time while Chine tried to secure thier grip on the olympics? ::)

yeah.....its amazing what people write about   2+2=7...right  ???

lol and quite funny too!  :hihi:

 :crying:

I can't belive i read this...the most ridiculous rumor ever IMO.

The internet some times is a garbage can ! HA

The King was right. : ok:

I think it's a joke by the writer rather than a rumour.

So MTV is sourcing NME who is sourcing Therockradio.com who is sourcing AllYourTV...so I guess yes. :hihi:

But if the AllYourTV article is False (see other thread) at least about the reality show...is the rest correct. ???

and then allyourtv might go 'nme and mtv confirmed that.....' :hihi:

a tad different but I've seen many articles that originated from this board coming back here as the latest scoops.

From News Papper Of Netherlands:

http://student-kmt.hku.nl/~reinier0/IMG.jpg

 :beer: :smoking: :beer:

HBK *

Ever notice how some people can't take a joke!

I repeat a release doesn't mean an immediate tour. for instance does the NIN tour you mentioned start as soon as it releases an album?


yep see the baz thread :hihi:

I hear that record negotiations are moving along nicely.  The new management team of Azoff and Gould have the
stroke needed to make Universal stop messing around wrt the release of CD.

That is the latest.

best news in months

Solid!

I am completely ignorant about this subject.

What does a negotiation revolve around? What are they ironing out?

Very nice to hear.

So am I, but that won't stop me from speculating.  I think it has to do with the fact that it's an old contract that predated modern things like digital downloads; so the band would want to renegotiate rights to account for stuff like that, whereas the label is probably saying a contract is a contract.  But I really have no clue.

Thanks Mysteron. This is great news. Hopefully things can continue to go along well and move as quickly as possible. *Fingers crossed*

Good to hear.

Thanks again Mysteron.

great news indeed!  : ok:

Thanks for the update Mysteron :beer:

That's good to hear.  Many thanks for letting us know, Mysteron.   :)

Awesome news. Sounds as though the label was being difficult with the band but our suits have straightened them out.

awesome  :)

Woohoo :beer:, "moving along nicely", not words you hear often in the wonderful world of GN'R.

Good stuff, yet again I'll be drunkingly telling my friends at the weekend its coming soon then.

Chinese Democracy WILL be released this year

Guns N' Roses frontman Axl Rose has finished work on the long-awaited album Chinese Democracy.

The band's label Geffen has confirmed they are in possession of the album - which cost a reported ?6.5 million to make - and are currently fleshing out an agreement with Rose over its release


http://www2.kerrang.com/2008/04/chinese_democracy_will_be_rele.html

 :smoking:


HBK *

awesome mysteron, big up to the management, i could be gay for less :hihi:

Best news we've had in ages.   No need to get carried away, but good news all the same.

great news to hear! :beer:

still would love to be a fly on the wall to find out what exactly the big holdup is about (ie. promotion money, credits, release date, etc.)

Yes, I'd love to hear.

I have heard from a safe source that the album will even battle the brilliance of Better Than Ezra's album Friction, Baby....sounds very promising to me.

What? There is some insider source that measures success in units of Ezra?

and Chinese Democracy will be better than Better Than Ezra?

Is that like 3 ezras of quality?

great news indeed.

now announce a release date and send us to heaven :peace:

booya!  sounds like the band is getting its money's worth with these new managers...

great news!! Chinese Democracy starts now!!  :hihi:

 :peace:

Thanks for the post, Mysteron... And finally, Geffen have confirmed they have the album.

This is it guys, its going to happen this year. Wait for it..

Sweet if there moving along nicely I wonder how long it will take till there's a agreement !!! im excited !!

 :beer: Awsome news  :beer:

Just a rumbling that things are moving along means so much.

It is time for the world to hear GNR and CD  :hihi:

 :peace:

Oh I almost forgot

THANK YOU MYSTERON I love you man (in a  non gay way of course)  : ok:

thanks mysteron!

like I've been saying from the beginning, you don't hire a new management team unless you plan on doing something : ok:

can't wait!

So I guess the plan is to have it out this year still?

I thought that was only a prevalent rumor?

I just asked the same thing but my post was deleted....

Great news!!!


Maybe the condensed version, but I would think the actual negotiations would be mind numbingly boring. Though I do have a short attention span.

On the previous page there is a link to a Kerrang article. Apparently Geffen confirmed to them directly that they have the album.

So what we get out of this is that the album is turned in and the release date is RIGHT AROUND the corner?

Yep, from the Kerrang article and Mysteron's point, we can now have some certainty that Axl has turned the album into Geffen. From this point on, its in the hands of the label to come to an agreement with Axl for when and how the album is going to be released. I can't imagine such negotiations taking a entire year to finalize.

It really looks like this thing is "getting a head of steam", and thing are moving like a freight train.

Maybe I'm wrong but unless that's mid-May, forget aboutitit. If it comes out this year then it will be in the fall when Robin can play with the band. Unless Axl gives him an ultimatum and says "hey you gotta be back now. it's us or NIN".

But with the Olympics in China, it'd seem to make thematic sense to release it around August. Who knows though, certainly not me, just an educated guess.

The timing seems to be right, with Def Leppard set to release a new album and Motley Crue ready to embark on a huge tour with a new album to boot.  Both those bands ruled the 80's and GNR kind of overshadowed them once they hit the scene.  I just hope we don't have to wait much longer for history to repeat itself.

Now I'm officially excited again. Thanks!

I just don't see it coming out in the summer...how is that even possible?!  Maybe November/December...hope I'm wrong though

I do see it coming out though.

We can't expect anything with this album.

We can certainly be excited that this is the most positive it is going to get, rather than thinking about how positive it has got over the years (if that makes sense).

But in terms of release date, timeframe, etc, you shouldn't expect anything.

It may be half a year from the announcement of the release date. Possibly even just a month or two. Maybe even a week.
It could even be released overnight with no warning.
Imagine that - One day you wake up and GNR is all over the news, internet etc.

I think it will be Christmas 2008.

if it comes out in 2008... then it will be late 2008. but from that moment on we have a release date, the waiting will be somewhat enjoyable, i'd say.

Thanks for the good news update Mysteron! =)
This is the best news we could get right now!
Lets hope Axl and the managment can bring out a fair and good deal!

Fucking ACE !!! :peace:

Fall/Autumn release is sounding likely time frame wise I imagine, as long as we don't have any hiccups and they resolve the management business sooner rather than later.

My horse is a July release...

isn't that, perhaps, maybe, a bit too optimistic?  :P

I thought about this all night. We should not expect anything to normal to happen.... BUT for speculation purposes

With a management team in place things seem to be heading the right way.

The label wants to maximize there return on this album.

So do they release it around the olympics Or do they hold it to late 2008 to feed the dr. pepper craze without them having to fund much of the publicity. Dr. Pepper and the news will help them alot for free.

My bet is on a date right around the olympics with China.  The label and GnR get will get exsposure because of the "Chinese Democracy" tag and the olympics with China. Look at all the crazy people protesting the olympics already. I see Dr. Pepper updating there blog and feeding news stories over "will it finally happen".  And then you will have the news stories about "14 years in the making, Will it really happen".

I see an oppurtunity for this thing to be profitable for all parties if they play the olympic card. Who cares waiting for xmas, people will buy it then also. Hit sooner and ride the free publicity wave. 

Dr. Pepper will win
Gnr Will win
Geffen will win

MY MONEY IS ON JULY

To catch any olympic publicity schrapnel they have to hit it before the olympics start while the protesting is in the news.

Brilliant news man. Seriously this is the best GnR related news i've heard for a while. Axl responding to Dr Pepper was kool but this actually means the wheels are very well in motion for a release. I'm not getting my hopes up, but i think we will get an official announcement(like the march 6th open letter) in June-July. If it happens earlier ill be even happier.

Given the protracted negotiations with the label, I wonder how Axl was able to even give a "tentative" release date?  Unless of course the stumbling blocks were completely unexpected.

well,

from what I'm reading everywhere

A lot of bands just gave us news about the releases of their albums
and even gave some tracklistings... if June/july would be fitted..... wouldn't we have the same thigns by now...

I'm not optimistic. I'm saying late october and a tour starting in november to give Robin some rest before going out again after NIN.

I wonder how Axl was able to give the March 6th release date way back in December 2006 even though mixing and mastering had not even started til after Febuary 2007. Something is bullshit about that for sure.

Whatever happens, you'd want a long period from an announcement to a date.

A time for hype and expectations to build. Look beyond the hardcore fans on message boards and at the average consumer, and that's logical.

However, yes, the Olympics and the Dr. Pepper challenge could change things around a bit.

Also - there was a time (1999-2000) when I was certain, that the album wouldn't make much of a splash (200,000 units opening week and 500,000 at years end). But as strange as the story has been since - and now 8 years later - this album will explode when it's released. Everybody will want to "hear" the monkey and more importantly have "an opinion" about the monkey..

 :)

RF

a july release would be awesome, with a first single in may...

thx Mysteron

good news.   only 20 days since the team was announced. :D

Yes it WOULD! :beer:

Another alternative (and perhaps more realistic) would be an early summer single (like YCBM came out with T2 in the Summer of '91) to take in some of the Olympic hype and then a full release after American Thanksgiving (November) to corner the Christmas market and deliver on the Dr. Pepper angle. Who knows? It will be interesting to watch...

Thanks Mysteron! : ok:

June/july is to fast.

and besides ROb is taking a break with NIN till at least september ends. so it wouldn't be practical.

release chidem round october. and tour in november to give rob a small break before going back to tour.

It was the muse's fault - she did not come.  :'(

I think it must have been that the negotiations were either unexpected, or took an unexpected turn.

This really is amazing news.  I personally think that they're going to try to release this on an "off" week during the summer before the Olympics.  Given the amount of major rock artists putting out albums early in the summer, it would make the most sense to release it at the end of June/Early July right before the Olympics.  You don't want this album dropping the same day as Distrubed's Indestructible (June 3), Motley Crue's new disc (June 17 or something), and Shinedown's new disc (mid June).  A lead single would coincide perfectly with Memorial Day in the U.S. (which is a remembrance day for our fallen veterans) leading into an Olympics release.

I don't see a post October release happening just because the major labels focus on releasing compilation dics and box sets during the holiday season to maximize profits.

Whatever the strategy, it is coming!!!

In addition to that, there were delays due to scheduling conflicts.

The album was recorded and mixing should've started immediately, but didn't.




/jarmo

well, some of you are being too enthusiastic it seems. maybe this info is dated and times have changed, but (as i've said a few times before) from what i know, big albums are not released during midsummer (june or 1st week of july the latest). then from september on, huge albums keep on coming again. until june there's not much time left. during the olympics we have midsummer, right? robin is also on tour. so, according to this logic, i don't think cd will happen that soon. it takes 2-3 months to get a cd out. but the negotiations haven't even come to an end. please, prove me wrong, i'm not speaking as an expert here.

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In addition to that, there were delays due to scheduling conflicts.

The album was recorded and mixing should've started immediately, but didn't.




/jarmo
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Scheduling conflicts with who?  Andy Wallace?

I think it used to be like that.

Today it seems like it doesn't matter that much.


Some big "rock records" that were released in the summer:
Linkin Park released Minutes to Midnight in May 2007.
Bon Jovi (!) released Lost Highway in June 2007.
Red Hot Chili Peppers released Stadium Arcadium in May 2006.
Foo Fighters released In Your Honor in June 2005.
Colplay released X&Y in June 2005.




/jarmo

you may be right, that it doen't matter that much these days. smashing pumkins also released during july 2007. but may/june 2008 isn't midsummer (which is still a "dead"-time) and prob. too close for cd. don't get me wrong, my hopes are also up. but rather for a late 2008 release. that's a bit more realistic i suppose. ;)

well this year it should come out just due to the facts.


every person get's free can of dr.pepper


Motley crue
Metallica
RHCP
Aerosmith
Velvet Revolver
Leppard.

and more will come out in summer/begin fall so, after summer Rock music should start getting big again and knock down does damn Hiphop music and other stuff that is Crap

Reliable belgian magazine (HUMO) also announced that CD is finally ready to be released. It's a reliable source, but when it comes to GN'R news/updates they already reported 'false' rumors in the past...why they only miss with the GN'R related news?  :hihi:
(on the other hand, GN'R isn't a popular band in this magazine...too bad, as it is a good magazine)

Anyhow, hopefully they've got it right this time! The interesting part in the news bulletin was the fact that they mentioned that the album would come out together with a documentary of the recordings..!!?? (reason would be to give the CD more promotion and give something extra to the fans for the patience they had.).. .
 
I was wondering if anybody else also heard this rumor of CD being released with a (DVD?) documentary of the recordings?

Peace  :peace:

I'm easy about what season  but seeing as how as the negotiations that have been the cause of delay for quite long are getting sorted out within a few weeks by the new management, don't you think the movement is now rather rapid?

hard to say. i hope so. but if they announce it now, the release-date would be a date at least 2-3 months from now. normally a lot more than that. but what's "normal" anyway?

Late 2007 Beta said the album was finished, period, no question marks  : ok:

I think some of you are getting a little ahead of yourselves...there's no way the album would be released in June or July, you do realize it's already April 17th right? It's gonna take a little time...even when the negotiations are done...I would say September would be the absolute earliest we'll see it...IF we see it.

We also don't even know what "moving along nicely" means...For all we know, they could have been so far off on demands that dialog stopped...It could be that the new management just got things going again...

Usually, i'm an extremely positive person, but years of high expectations being left unfulfilled have me a little skeptical...

God I hope it happens this time though...

Makes sense to me, as it makes no sense to deliberately mislead the fans/media with even a tentative date, unless he thought there was a genuine possibility of it happening. 

The fact it didn't, means that the delay was out of his hands.

Let's hope the new management team are able to help overcome any remaining hurdles, to everyones benefit  : ok:

If you read Axl's open letter it say's that it takes 8 weeks for a CD to hit the shelves once its turned into the record company.   I believe once the  negotiations are done it will be a real quick process.  couple Scenario's I could see is a June Single with a August release date, July single with a Sept release, or possible a May single drop with a july release ( which would be unlikely but you never know).  It could be released anytime really since its the most anticipated CD release in history.  I don't know anything but im really excited !!! its a good time to be a Guns N' Roses fan.

This varies a lot, but singles have been coming out closer and closer to the albums release in recent years. Just wanted to throw that out there.


Also, I don't see CD being released until probably August or September. I hope I'm wrong of course, but I think September sounds far more realistic than July.

For me any time is exciting to be a GNR fan. :P


like others said before the Olympics would be one great scenario.

I haven't ever seen the torch relay getting so many media coverages.

The one major thing that changed between Axl's announcement of the March tentative date and now was the release of "In Rainbows" digitally.  I think it really opened up a lot of people's eyes at just how fast digital tracks can go up.  My guess is that we'll get a digital single around Memorial Day Weekend in May (to rock out the summer) and then a full release in November.  NIN, the Raconteurs, and now Green Day have put out/are putting out their albums digitally ridiculously quickly.  The Raconteurs turnaround was a week!   : ok:

and  digital releases are not just on Tuesdays.

I think the real way the label will get its money back is through touring; I can't see anything else that can pull that much money in.  Digital singles are certainly a possibility (and a probability), but I doubt they'll pull a complete Radiohead... and the label would HAVE to put a fixed cost on the digital single, it has just cost way too much at this point to take chances.

Well...maybe...I just said because in July there's my birthday... :D I don't really know anything about the timings...

BUT!

If the record has been already delivered to the label and they're negotiating for something...there's a possibility...

Anyway, I think that for a July release (I guess the latest tuesday which is... hmm... the 29th) in late May/early June we will know both tracklisting and cover art.

Knowing the GnR world, this is not possible.

I don't think there should be any problems with returns from the album. I think that OUT OF CURIOSITY alone there will be hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of music fans all over the world who would be "interested" at the very least to hear new "Guns N Roses" music and "hear Axl's voice again". Music fans all over the world who might not have an interest in hard rock music in general, know about Axl, they know the voice, and with the right promotion and marketing strategy, people would be curious

If that was true, then the widely known promise of additional albums worth of material would be the things to make the money, with CD becoming a loss-leader. I don't think that the label are in any danger of losing money with this album anyway.

I'd say that the issues at the moment would be the forementioned additional material and how they are to follow up the release of CD. In respect of the totals spent on CD, these additional tracks will have cost money to make, and would I'd assume be paid for from the advance towards the band, which would mean that the albums cost isn't as high as expected.

Not a chance.

not with that attitude

that's pretty optimistic :P : ok:
alot of fans of GnR from back in my day could care less what the guy does and were so turned off by his behavior during the illusions tour that they don't care if he ever makes another record

and I bet the residents of Philly, St. Louis, and all the other riot sites will be lining up to buy the album

arent you being pessimistic ,

judging by the amount of people that saw gnr in the last two years across the world,
If thats anything to go by,
then Chinese Democracy will be very successful...

And alot of those tours had 0 - to nothing promotion, and they played to hundreds of thousands of people....

alot of people are expecting this cd to be either very successful or not successful,
but we cant base the success of this record on anything, because nothing like this has ever been done before,
so why dont we all stay positive instead of feeding on the negativity that can be spread like wild fire eh?

Man am I gad you spoke up. I was definately feeling a little down that we hadn't heard anything lately.

this may be the first credible thing I've seen that may sway my pessimism

not really; as long as all the new fans buy the material and they pick up additional fans along the way that buy the material; thos from the 80s mostly wrote them off, especially w/ the new line up;

AFD sold 30 mil
UYI sold 15 mil
not sure Lies did but I think about 7-8
GH checkked in about 3-4

notice a trend?  it's a new release but its alot different environment

Exactly.

And as fans here, most of us whom have been part of this forum, or at least following GNR over the last 5-10 years after the original lineup departed, we shouldn't be the ones being pessimistic and negative.

This might sound ridiculous but its the truth - when GNR return and the album comes out, people will come back here and see the history that we have almost made. Think about, in the world of the internet, how much speculation, rumours, suggestions, facts etc which have surfaced, have most likely started from here. We are a 'core' group of friends who have kept interest (on the Internet, at the very least) ongoing because we are here maintaining an interest; and this website, being a popular GNR fan website, would get alot of hits for anyone even remotely curious about searching for GNR on the net.

So regardless of anyone's expectations in album sales, ticket sales, trends, past incidents etc etc - fuck all that. Particularly at such a time where the release of the album almost feels imminent (or an official announcement at least), we should continue to be positive and supportive.

Sure, things might be a bit unclear right now particularly with Robin, but look how far we have come?

Lies was in between UYI, Greatest Hits was a collection of songs most fans already owned (And yet is still on the charts) and AFd was just pure brilliance, not a single bad moment on it. If anything affects the sales of CD, it will be the unfounded public stigma people attach to Axl.

hopefully the music will just speak for itself,
without any negativity over the current incarnation of gnr affecting the publics judgement....

Cool, about time :hihi:

Any chance we can see a single soon, before summer?

A single would be nice, or at the very least, a free streaming track for download on the official website while things with the album are being sorted out..

There's always a chance and I certainly hope so!

I think alot of people don't follow bands endlessly, they tend to live the moment (something Axl suggested I seem to remember) so when the album drops, there will be the old fans who'll be intreged, old fans who don't care and many somewhere in between. The potential new audience will include  those who won't give a damn about the history, created when dad couldn't pull out in time in the back of the car, whilst shagging to AFD.

Why are there so many that are bitchin' about rumours? They are rumours goddamn it.

CD will be released, it?s that simple.

I wouldn't worry about it. Axl is getting ready like the way a bull gets ready to step into the ring. The cd...or cd's will be released. A tour will be announced. I'm willing to bet every old and new fan of G&R from whatever era will go out and buy a ticket to see the show. Like Axl said once.....lolo......."Just a little patiences........... :beer:

Because they always need something to bich or someone to point their fingers at. And it?s a pity some people waste their time that way. I bet when the record is out they will be the first ones to buy it and they?ll have to eat their words.

IDK, I kind of think some people could listen to it, reach an orgasmic eutopia, and still find something to complain about.

I've been checking the webpages for about 10 years now everytime I got the chance to check if there has been ?ny update on CD.  :-\

But I won't stop believing that it will be released some day.

After 15 years, I want to reach *2* orgasmic utopias. anything less and CD is a failure.   :crying:

lol....i agree completely

Hopefully they are gonna release a single on summer, probably late summer. :hihi:

If negotiations keep proceeding this well for few more months, things just might end up on launchpad soon!
 : ok: : ok: : ok: : ok:     : ok:

I hope the new management team do a good job for GN'R

I also hope that Guns don't suffer the same fate as Weezer who's album has leaked many weeks before release. Absolutely shocking.

Good Staff Management. Is My Opinion.

HBK *

so yet, there are delays more.
don't get me wrong. but I've known they would and All of you would.

but... what are they negotiating about.

I can think of the following

The album.
The way to launch it
the way to promote it
the way to bring Guns back in the world of rock where it belongs.
the way to communicate in a positive way about negative things (relating to robin... if he's out)
the way to make a new market.....


all these questions were answerd allready in 2006 when they had a big momentum and a huge hype to go with the flow (to say)


but! to keep things positive.
the management have done a lot of things other didnt and they kept us informed about informal stuff(thanks for that! and yeah I mean that)
they kept us updated on small things but also big things..compared to the last 10 years.

I just hope the right things will happen. and there will be more updates then  robin's robin,, Axl will share his dr.pepper with Buckethead.

I have faith.

THanks for the update!

They've done a good job so far, right?  After all, aren't they the ones who helped get the ball rolling towards an agreement on all the "outstanding issues"?

I hope they continue to do a good job!

Ali

All reports concur with your first sentence.

And my opinion concurs with your second sentence.

Excellent then.  Let's hope all the good work is kept up and GN'R can get down to the business of kicking ass and taking names around the world.

Ali

One would think none of this stuff is among responsibilities of GNR&it's managers in any way.
The record label gets the majority of the ??? CD generates for a reason. Reasons listed above all firmly belong to label's ballpark, not band's. Their field, their responsibility, their job.
Atleast I can't imagine a single reason Anyone would want to negotiate about that Stuff with GNR, or why GNR would want to start doing label's work they know jack shit about.

Also, reason Labels exist is that they do this stuff extremely well when they want to. It's unlikely as hell that they
A) Don't have this stuff figured out allready.
or atleast
B) aren't in a position where they could give release date and pretty much start packing things up while finalizing their plans.
Actually wouldn't it be some sort of scandal and severe stain in Label's armor if Chinese Democracy had to sit in some bank vault just because a Record Label doesnt know how to market a record? It just doesn't sound likely.


Whatever these mythic  negotiations are, I can't see them having anything to do with marketing or releasing of CD.
If CD is in situation where Axl and label both agree that is is indeed 100% finished and sealed and ready for release(when it comes to actual material of it) I really can't think of lot of things Axl would want to, or had ability to, negoatiate.
Record is essentially Label's album after band turns it in aye?
Just my 2 cents etc etc.

I'm not suggesting that GNR was 100% mising from the info-chain when it comes to release and marketing of CD ;)
Just can't see Axl's and his manager's part in it being anything that would require several months of negotiations. Come on! Yalta conference took 7 days.

Certain terms of the record contract could be up for negotiation. It has been a very long time since an album was released by Guns N roses and because of that there could be many things both the band and the label could be working out. Regardless we all just want the album out and it doesnt matter what the band or anybody else says at this point because some fans will not be satisfied with anything till the band announces a release date and/or the album is finally out.  :smoking:

Some visionaries are saying that record companies will become a thing of the past during the next decade.

We live in different times now as to when the UYI albums were released.

Yeah I agree. It's easy to imagine it being either case of obscure complex as hell legal bulshit due to massive amount of time involved and people involved/ hired/fired
OR
a situation where both label and band dont agree about CD being 100% finished and ready for release.



Disagree. I think it's very, very odd we haven't gotten an official announcement about record being done.If it indeed is 100% done.
Fans would love such announcement.

They don't have to give a release date alongside with such announcement to please fans.  Just " CD is done.We handed it to label" from Axl.
Or "Cd is done. We got it fronm Axl." from label.

(And no, I don't count Sebastian Bachs "fuck yeah fucking cd is fucking done wooooooo MY BIG SUPPORT for fucking axl fuck yeah!!" an oficial credible announcement.

I agree, I think record companies as we know them today will be a thing of the past. But I do think they will find a way to evolve and still make money off artists. These companies will see where the ability to make cash is and exploit it or at least attempt to.  :smoking:


I disagree with that last part. Even if the band said the album is finished all you would hear next is bitching and bitching about why is the album finished with no release date.  :smoking:

Be that as it may, it doesn't concern GNR&CD that much does it?
 If/as long as GNR has a record contract the label has them by the balls regardles of wether  record labels as we know them have other leg in grave right?

So as long as Axl isn't planning on releasing an album until he's in his mid/late 50's, that could possibly have a 50/50 or so chance of being just Jim Dandy.

All albums are leaked a few weeks before official release date, some even 2 months earlier......nothing shocking these days. And if GnR won't release it in some revolutionary way, it will be leaked too.

 :peace:

*edit* everyone is quoting you suddenly, what's going on  :hihi:

A few more months of negotiations?    :crying:  Why can't everyone just come to the table and crank all this out in a week?

Aye, I know that.

The Weezer album has leaked earlier though than it should have done.

Yeah.. It seams like big albums leaks easy..
If GnR`s album leaks within two weeks before release i think that would be a timeframe they must be aware of.
But if it leaks months or long before the release, that would be kind of sad.
I think a good way from making it not leak, is to do a proper promotour, before the release. Were they keep the record in theyr pockets, just like Tool did
with theyr 10 000days album.

if negotiations keep proceeding for even more months (and not weeks), i don't think, that they are going so well. you can build a new government quicker than that.
if we really speak about months, i think we'll have to write our free dr. pepper off.

The only way to avoid getting it leaked prior to it going on sale is to release it online first and then release the physical album

There has never been a physical album in the current musical era that didn't leak before its due date.  Because once the album is pressed and starts getting shipped, it's inevitable that someone is going to get their hands on the physical thing and put it online

If they released the album digitally prior to shipping the physical release that would be a good way to ensure the album is available for sale before it gets leaked.  Of course as soon as it goes on sale it will become available for free, but at least this would mean the album is available in its entirety for purchase as opposed to having it floating around for free two weeks prior to release with no option to buy it

Dammit all to hell.  Why let the damn thing leak in the first place?  Make people pony up ten bucks a pop to get their names on the list. 

Once the magic number is hit, only those folks get the album.  Yes, of course once folks receive it, it will have leaked, but by that point the record company makes their profit and everybody is happy. 

Throw in random chances to get autographed copies...One in every 1000 albums is autographed by Axl himself or has free concert ticket packs...the other 999 can be signed by the hundreds of rumored musical collaborators in on the Chinese Democracy Experience!
 :hihi:

Be creative GNR marketers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

btw, any big summer or fall movie blockbusters we can start rumors of a new Guns song being included on a soundtrack???  It's tradition here in GNR Fan-Land!   :peace:

 

my local radio station just finished playing Chinese Democracy so maybe were getting the album soon then we thought  ;D

What radio station? I don't get how stations can play leaked songs without consequence...

where ? what station?

they can't do that...

they played it in kroq (los angeles)

Same version as the demo i guess.. Hmm.. dont think they are alowed to that..Grrr..  :P

Demo Version.

HBK *

Hmm....I'm feeling quite complainy. So I guess that I'll just say "no comment".  :crying:

I might just buy a bottle of it along with my three copies of CD.

What did they say before they played it? Anything significant?

Lets just hope it comes out soon..an update would be great... :peace:
Its all to quiet.. :'(

U figure a DJ just snuck it in. Figure the worst he would get would be a warning letter. So playing it once was no big deal to the DJ.

What did they say before they played it?


- They said: "He's a pepper, you're a pepper, we're a pepper.."

When Guns N' Roses release their next single, you'll hear about it. You won't just stumble on it on some given radio channel. Trust me. Especially if you follow the GNR fan boards.

Cheers.

HA!  Just sneaking it in, especially on a major market station like KROQ, will get you fired before the song is over.  It was planned.  The music is scheduled at least a day ahead of time and the DJ's have no power as to what's being played.

ive just went to the kroq website and on the request a song section you can request IRS wtf?

No, a playlist is scheduled which DJs can pick songs from. Usually by A, B, C list rotation which goes in order of the frequency that they can be played.

If every song was planned out in order meticulously the day before, what would the point be of listener requests?

because you said so I checked the site to see it wasn't like they had  the song on their list.
To request a song you have to write in the title.

Almost ALL stations
Set music the prior day.
Requests mean nothing.

There is SOME freedom
To change one or another,
But it's rarely used.

Disillusioned me
With my first radio job
Eight years ago....DAMN!

Splash

/Mike

Sorry, but that's incorrect.  I work as a DJ in Miami, FL and have worked in radio for years.  Everything is planned.  They may do a request hour during lunch or something, but even that is mostly planned.  The music is preselected for the day using a program called Selector.  Listeners have no input.

You Sir, are the poet laureate of HTGTH, and as such ... a ray of sunshine in my, otherwise, bleak day.

Cheers

if you click on the band list from the drop down list it gives a choice of gnr songs one of them irs im not making it up - not sure wether they would play it though

I've worked for 2 stations that have played it and gotten Cease and Desist letters within a couple of days.  I'm sure it's just there for show... that would be real ballsy to do it with the record company there in town.  If they were to do something like that, labels may not let their bands play local shows like LA Invasion or the Weenie Roast.

I didn't mean you were making it up and I see it now. Guess it was the pc setting.
They only have IRS and WTTJ in the list.

and I don't see any harm in requesting the song they won't play.  :P

Usually, 99% is pre-programmed.  They will sometimes leave a song or two open per shift.  But even then, the station will likely only allow a song they would normally play in rotation.

Requests are mainly used for market research.  They look at the overall requests for the day (week) to help determine what will go in rotation.

You could request Chinese Democracy.  You could even request Sorry.  But it won't matter because the station has already decided what they are going to play.

From a story on Olympic athlete Anna Goodale...

By the Associated Press

Posted Friday, August 8, 2008

Goodale's family tree has its roots steeped in American culture, from Gibson - whose illustrations epitomized the ideal American woman of his era - to her guitar strumming cousin from the rock band Guns N' Roses, Richard Fortus.

Goodale has also hung out with Guns N' Roses, whose long-delayed next album, "Chinese Democracy," has been in the works longer than Goodale has had a rowing career.

"I haven't heard any of the tracks," she said, laughing. "It's done. They're just not releasing it. He says it's just on hold. Eventually it will come out."

Maybe she'll crank some of the band's classics before she hits the water. Or perhaps she'll prepare with a little quiet time with her colors and her imagination.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/athletes/athlete=426/news/newsid=184065.html

figures... but please put source before knowing it's real.... and perhaps she's the cousin of Richard, who knows. but I don't know if she would be in the know..

Source?  It's an Associated Press story on NBC's website. :D

She says that it's "on hold" which it would be if they are in negotiations, and that it's done.  Pretty much what has been said.

the news to me is that Richard has an Olympic athlete cousin. and she's friends with GNR.
wow I gotta check the rowing event.

I wudnt say she nose anything. But who nose, all we can do is wait... :'(