Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Sandy Cohen of The Associated Press conducted a brand new interview yesterday (Monday, April 7) with the reunited STONE TEMPLE PILOTS. A couple of excerpts from the chat follow:

Q: What sort of things had to happen before you could get back together?

Robert DeLeo (bass): A lot has happened over the past five years. We've individually accomplished a lot in our lives. I think we're all proud of that. We're proud of each other. And, you know, things happen for a reason. I don't think there's really any coincidence in life. And this was something that felt ? I don't know if right's the word ? but it felt like we should get together and do this.

Q: Do you feel the passage of time?

Dean DeLeo (guitar): I think it's about getting on stage with these guys and playing loud rock and roll. It feels like no time has gone by. It still feels the same.

Scott Weiland (vocals): Except I think we're a bit smarter, a lot more wiser. Because the music business has shrunken so much and has eaten itself, those survivors out there, they're a lot more cutthroat. You definitely have to watch your back and you have to be smart in order to not get taken advantage of. So I think we've all learned from those experiences.

Q: Are you going to record after this tour? Do you see yourselves putting out another album?

Weiland: Yeah.

Dean DeLeo: That sounds great. Love to.

Q: What happened with VELVET REVOLVER?

Weiland: This happened very organically. It wasn't people trying to angle and beg. It just happened the way it sort of happened. I got a call from Dean. I was on tour. He said, "Man, are you sitting down?" I said "Yeah." He said, "I was talking with our agent, and some offers came through." We'd all been starting to talk more often. I had talked to Slash, mentioned it to him, and things were cool for a while. And this last tour, things just disintegrated really badly. I just came to the point where I decided that ... if I'm going to commit the next 10 years of my life to touring ... then I want to do it with people I want to make music with. People who I get inspired by making music with. ...I have to start weeding out stuff. It's kind of like going through your closet going, "Eh, I don't need this anymore. It takes up too much space." Certain things don't feel good, although it may put money in your bank account, but it doesn't feel good at the end of the day. It became one of those situations. This feels good, it feels right. It's always inspiring. It's always that high.

Read the entire interview from The Associated Press

I think that this ends the discussion about the break-up, the guys just didn't have fun playing, and it's better to end when the situation comes to this. What a better example do we have than GNR??? ;)

I'm a huge STP fan, and I never liked Scott on VR, so I think that this is better for everybody. STP will be back, release a new album and VR will continue with a new singer. I think everybody's happy now! :beer:

Well, good for Scott if he really feels that way and if he's happy where he's at.    However, if I remember right, I think he had about the same negative energy when he first left STP.  Sort of talked the same positive way about VR.  There's probably a lot of reasons why things disintegrated, none of which we really know about.  STP being back together will probably be a successful thing.  They were good together.  However, I can't help but wonder, with Scott, how long it will last before he gets "disgruntled" again? 

^Until his next relapse.

Scott did it for the money? hummm ??? That explains why I always felt like Scott was singing with barely any emotions, no real chemistry in the group I guess. 

Scott is such a backstabbing whore. What the fuck is this guy talking about?

Just lost all respect i've ever had for this double talking jive motherfucker. As if this guy is gonnu tour for ten years with stp? Yeah right...

Sorry that was a childish post... Just had to vent... What a cunt...

That's really harsh. Scott has a legitimate mental illness and he can't help that. Bi-polar is really difficult to live with and most people who have it get hospitalized at some time in their life. All this doesn't mean I totally excuse Scott for everything that's happened, I certainly don't. I think everyone has to take responsibility for their actions at some point. I just think that he should take his meds and admit he has some blame for what's happened with VR.

Weiland is a fraud. Slash said it himself.   :)

Scott is bipolar now?

He always has been. 

Scott admitted a long time ago that he's bipolar. This is nothing new.

Interesting, I never knew that.

Even so, using mental illness as an excuse only when things go terribly wrong isn't the answer.

It is a treatable illness with the proper medications and a want to get the help.

I thought the main issue was that Scott didnt get along with Matt. After seeing that VH1 thing when VR were looking for a singer... Matt looked like a spoilt brat and even Duff called him on it on the show. So I can see where Scott is coming from. I hate to say this about my hero but Slash doesnt seem that great a guy as Id hoped - almost everything in his autobiography that he was involved in or an incident that happened, Slash just says it wasnt his fault or he wasnt there etc... he just never wants to take any responsibility, and seems very two faced. Im guessing Duff tried to either lay low or keep the peace. Scott had obviously had enough and got out - it would have been really shitty if the rest of the band carried on, knowing that there was problems and just too chicken shit to confront him and sort it out.

Scott has admitted being bipolar but I don't ever recall reading an interview with him where he tried to use that as an excuse. If anything he's not one to admit when he's wrong but he doesn't seem to blame it on his mental illness. On another note, I feel sorry for his young son and daughter, his wife has admitted that she's bipolar also. Who knows what kind of home life they have.

And Slash played a boring ballad like Fall to Pieces because he just loooooves it ...  :peace:

VR was all about money, nothing more. The second album bombed, then they started stabbing each other in the back...

Dont know why people are bringing up that Scott did it for the money - when in fact he has quit inspite of the money from VR.

Only the ones who live in the past  :peace:

I lost all respect for Slash after all the rubbish he released wit Snakepit and VR, no quality anywhere to be seen except 2, maybe 3 songs in the last 13 years... don't forget, the mediocre 5 o'clock Somewhere was gonna be the next GnR album if Slash got what he wanted and Axl hadn't refused.

No fanks  : ok:

Yeah, don't get me wrong, that was a harsh post. Like i wrote, it was pretty childish, but the way weiland has handled this is just out of space... And even tho one's bipolar, which can make people say and do things they really don't mean or whatever, weiland has just acted like a fuckin' idiot over and over again like a broken fuckin' record. And at the same time, he hasn't really been that cool about it either. In my opinion, weiland was out of his league in VR and why slash and duff and matt went along with the weilanistonetemplification of vr, that so clearly came to light on libertad, will for me forever remain a mystery. Excluding cash as the sole reason for vr's existence of course...

I lost all respect for Slash after all the rubbish he released wit Snakepit and VR, no quality anywhere to be seen except 2, maybe 3 songs in the last 13 years... don't forget, the mediocre 5 o'clock Somewhere was gonna be the next GnR album if Slash got what he wanted and Axl hadn't refused.


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Not necessarilly, I'm pretty sure axl  would of had more input into the songs which musically i think are great there is some fantastic guitar playing in there, and duff would have contributed as well, i mean look at beggars and hangers-on, thats a pretty damn good song and my biggest complaint with the snakepit albums is the lyrics and axl would have written his own and made those songs fantastic, because the true essence of GNR was the group contribution.

Atilla, perhaps you are in the wrong section.  We get it, YOU DON'T LIKE SLASH OR VR.  Okay, cool.  Axl like a lot of ideas on Snakepit 1.0 and was mad Slash released the album with out him.  At first he didn't like it, but it grew on him.

Wrong... Axl said (confirmed by Slash in interviews) that Axl liked 3 or 4 IDEAS and RIFFS... not songs. But they needed to be heavily worked on and changed around for it to be enough quality for a GnR album.

Slash got upset with that and said. I don't need you, see what I can do with these songs.. and then he did that mediocre album which was unnoticed by even GnR fans. Axl also commented on it in interviews, saying the album was just not good enough and he would not accept the mediocre material on it.

Then after that Slash wanted back. seeing the lack of interest in his amazing project.... he knew Axl was right.. but he burned some bridges in the meantime and rest is history. This is confirmed by a close friend of Slash and Axl btw, who also wrote a GnR book, known on this board as "roadrunner" :peace:

*edit* it was not roadrunner but recklessroad

Atilla. ...

are you so thick that you haven't researched properly?  Take a look at the fucking writing credits on Snakepit 1.  You'll find that Gilby, Eric Dover, Duff McKagan, and other names are on that record.  Slash did NOT take the album to Axl ... he took a few ideas to Axl.  What you're forgetting is that any quotes you're taking are not to be taken literally ... but they're generalizations.  So stop being so fucking stupid and think for a minute ;)

Plus ... i loved It's 5 o'clock Somewhere ....

SpiritDave, first stop insulting members on this board, it makes you look like a silly fangirl  : ok:

Second, if you are correct, it means Slash and his close friend are both lying about this... and who are you to say so? Slash HIMSELF said he took around 12 songs to Axl, Axl liked only a few riffs nothing more and they needed to be worked on... Slash then said, ok I'm gonna take these and do my own amazing abum.... result, mediocre album that bombed and made Slash crawl back  but it was too late  :peace:

Here some quotes from recklessroad (Marc Canter, close friend of Slash, wrote official GnR book Reckless Road):

"I have known Axl very well for 23 years and Slash for 31 years and one thing for sure, Axl does not lie. You will always get the truth from Axl.

When it was time to make a record Slash gave Axl 12 songs for the record and Axl said that he liked 3 of the songs but maybe he would do 4 of them.

That pissed Slash off.

Also  Slash's ego was a little too big and he thought he could do it on his own with Snakepit since he no longer had a say so in GNR but when you only have input coming from 1 guy it's not the same as having Axl Slash Duff and Izzy adding to the song-writing. So Slash soon found out that you need a mix of different songwriters to make it work. He wanted to come back to GNR but that didn't work out. So Slash Duff and Matt started up Velvet Revolver and got lucky to find Scott.
What I was trying to say is Slash should  come clean and apologize to the press for some things he has said and done over the years. I have asked Slash to do that and to stop saying things to the press about axl. I think the reason Slash won't do that is because in his mind he won't look Cool. With Slash everything has to be so cool."

All the songs' credits, except Monkey Chow, has the name Slash in the credits.

So it's possible he had songs written for GN'R, without lyrics, and decided to make them into Snakepit songs with the help of Eric Dover.


But with your limited knowledge, you're saying Slash's friend is wrong and you're right? Oh, sorry. You're always right!



/jarmo

Snakepit 1 was a platinum album in the middle of the grunge era.  It had some fantastic songs on it.  Some of Slash's best playing.  Axl wasn't fond of that direction, but after a while he did want to work on it to satisfy Slash and do a "Slash" style album.  Would the songs have needed work?  Sure.  But I am sure Jarmo can find this quote somewhere.  I think Axl got a little mad when he released Its Five O'Clock and if you remember, Sorum wouldn't tour with Slash and actually stayed loyal to Axl to not go on road thinking it was bad for GNR if he did. 

I AM right ... as I said ... they were ideas.  These did not become songs til the band was put together and they sat around making the ideas into songs.  Slash may have written a single riff ... here and there.  I do it all the time.  Write a riff... record it... store it for later.  Etc.

Let me get this straight.

You, a guy in England, knows more about how things went down than Marc Canter, a friend of Slash's who says "When it was time to make a record Slash gave Axl 12 songs for the record".


Do you know how the UYI albums were made? They all wrote songs and brought them to the band.


But you're saying you know how this happened.

At the time you were about 16 years old so I guess you were living happily in California hanging out with GN'R.





/jarmo

You know ...

when I write a bunch of riffs and throw them together ... I often say "Will, I have done a new song idea ...."

My brother, Will ... then puts lyrics to it ... and we sit and work on structure, melodies, arrangments etc ...

So ... a 'song' ... doesn't have to mean a full finished arranged song ....

You're just as ill informed as I am, and you take things FAR to literally.  Marc Canter probably never heard the 'songs' in question... he probably just knows what he's heard.  It doesn't mean Slash gave Axl the finished Snakepit album like a bunch of the idiots here seem to think.

Everyone here takes quotes they've read WAY to literally and that's what causes people to hate band members.  It's fucking stupid.

Oh God.....




Is this scenario possible:


Slash gives Axl a tape with a bunch of songs. Obviously there's no vocals on them.

Axl says, ok, we could work some more on a few of those.

Slash says, fuck no. They're good as they are. I'm gonna record them myself!


Did you ever hear any of the UYI demos? There's stuff with just Izzy singing, some guitar and a drum machine (example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq_evT7vvyU)). You can still tell what song it is. So if Izzy managed to put together whole songs, what makes you think Slash couldn't? Don't you have enough faith in his song writing skills?



One more insult towards other members here will be your last.  : ok:



/jarmo

What does any of this have to do with "Scott Weiland speaks about the end of VR"?

haha good point!  : ok:

it has everything to do with it, everything i say

Don't get me wrong, I really like VR and have the utmost respect for the Ex-Gunners... but I'm kind of glad we have a NEW GN'R because based on the last VR album, musically I don't think those guys can live up to the GN'R standards anymore.

Slash is my favorite guitar player of all-time and I love the guy, but he just doesn't seem inspired anymore. It's almost like he's just going through the motions. I thought both Snakepit albums were shite, Contraband was good, but the last album was just kind of "Blah."

Hopefully VR can find a decent replacement for Scott and make a great album. Maybe losing Scott will inspire these guys to make the best music they've made in 15+ years. I guarantee they'll have it in their head to try to outdo the next STP record... but will it happen?? I hope so.

On his own with Snakepit ? Does that make sense ? ???

I've always liked Slash.
He has no ego. Even when Axl and I were at war, he stayed a friend...

 source: http://www.rosshalfin.co.uk/velvet-revolver/velvet-revolver11.php

Maybe they can't live up to GN'R standards anymore but who can?!  I get pissed off that people still after all these years can't listen to anything the lads release without automatically comparing it to AFD.  It doesn't take a genius to see that AFD was absolutely stellar and the UYI were also very special in their own way, of course not even Slash etc are going to match it.  They don't even try to.  It's Five O'Clock Somewhere is a decent slab of rock - undeserving of the baffling criticism it gets -  and from what I've heard of the second it's not bad either.  VR's music is also pretty decent.

Being a musician myself, I know the impact someone can have on another's abilities.

Axl is like a legendary head coach in sports. He gets the best out of everyone around him. Slash needs that someone like Axl to get the most of his abilities.

slash seems like a guy who is willing to rest on what he has done and no longer wants to work hard and really sweat it out and slave to get the best he can do.

Which is why he always talks about the albums being recorded in a month. First take solos etc. Maybe thats why none stand up to his GNR work?


So yeah, Axl technically didn't write those riffs and solos, but it was Axl's input and drive that forced Slash to do the best he could which is why we got what we got.

Does Mike Clink ever get any credit?  All of their best work came with Clink at the helm.

here´s some  STP reunion pictures for anyone interested....

http://www.rollingstone.com/photos/gallery/20193462/stone_temple_pilots_reunion_annou

I love that aspect of the recordings, capture the moment and move forward.  I'd much rather have a musical snapshot of a moment in time than a documentary of of endless tinkering.


That's a matter of opinion, I'll take Slash's recent work with VR over anything he's done post AFD.  His playing (for me) is light years more focused and less self indulgent.  His playing serves the songs, way less repetive and predictable.

I agree and disagree. Being a musician the importance of recording and doing re takes is to get it to sound just as it's supposed to. A one take solo is basically jamming over the track and not actually crafting a solo. November Rain , Paradise City , Sweet Child I'm almost certain where all done hundreds of times. The only case I know about is KOHD where Slash said he tried something different and recording it. Live is where it is a capture of the moment , in the studio it should be worked with. Even AFD one of the rawest and "realist" albums was doing with multiple takes. As for his guitar work with VR as to Post AFD , ARE YOU CRAZY?! Did you forget Use Your Illusions?!?!?

I forgot the UYI's years ago, was not (and still am not) a fan of that era of the band.

.....Wow I can't even respond to that. If you think Slash's playing in VR tops UYI than you are lost. What do you mean that "era" of the band?

Yeah Falcon, thats a head scratcher.

His solos on Dont Cry, NR, Coma, KOHD and Estranged destroy any VR solo

his riffs on Locomotive, Don't Damn Me, Civil War are unreal


I like his VR work but Slash wants to do good enough *which is still better than 95 percent of guitar players today* and that be that.

Id like a good mix of somewhere between GNR and VR. Maybe not a few years but more than a month

Breakdown has amazing stuff in it as well. Civil War solo's and breaks. Its a head scratcher alright. I want to hear Slash do his normal thing , just jam out to killer riffs with nice bluesy solos.

Hardly lost.

just specific in what I like and his playing on those records was less than memorable for
me.

It's just a matter of taste, subjective opinion.


The records/vids/the lineup and the direction of the band in general.  For me it became cartoon like and a bit antiseptic.

Nobody's fault really, huge success breeds excess and I've always preferred "less is more".



I can't even remember those while the solo in "Slither" resonates with me as much as his SCOM solos do.

It's just different strokes, no right or wrong really.

You honestly don't remember ANY part of Don't Cry , November Rain , KOHD , Estranged , Civil War solos? WOW.....

Haven't listened to those songs in years.

Those solos are too fucking long, right?

It's been so long since I've listened to them I couldn't be specific.

WOW I seriously can't believe people don't listen to UYI. To each is own but still wow.

That is exactly how I feel. AFD is "all killer, no filler" (with the exception of perhaps Think About You and, at a stretch, Anything Goes). The UYI albums may have their gems, but the bulk of it did not grab me by the balls in the same way as their debut did. I simply did not like the direction the band took with UYI, and long stretches pass between listens.

As someone who likes VR's stuff (unlike a lot of people who like to post on this board) I put that ahead of the UYI LPs. VR's output is nowhere near the quality of AFD, but what is? Nobody has come close to that album.

Then it's not "all killer, no filler".


That's it, we've reached the bottom ... The Slither solo ? Come on ...

The Estranged parts alone are sending any of his past-GN'R work to oblivion.

He's no guitar hero to me, not anymore. He's just a sellout nowadays. Playing with no inspiration at all, cashing on what he once was.

I have to agree with those who think that Slash's post-GnR stuff isn't as good as the stuff he has written before.
But I also have the desire to tell the people who think that the UYI stuff isn't that good that it is a ll a matter of taste.
I, personally, can't understand it, but that's something else.
If we all would listen to the same stuff there wouldn't be that much variety in music.

Like someone wrote he already I think that Slash is able to give 15?% when the right frontman and/or the right people are around him. Listening to a couple of GnR solos done by Slash really gives the impression that he sometimes just did his job on VR songs, but not with heart or emotion, at least not as much as he did in GnR.

If Slash was that much upset about the GnR situation back in 1990 while they were recording UYI songs and he was able to make those classic riffs, then the VR situation must have been really, really bad. Otherwise I can't explain his riffs being boring sometimes.

Same here.. there ain't nothing wrong with fast recording, time doesn't equal quality. It's just a matter of preference and taste.

I remember Izzy saying everyone in GN'R was a fan of fast recording except Axl, and he said he liked fast recording cause it kept things fresh and spontaneous. There was no point of dwelling on things, it will just the fake the fun out of it.

The more I think about this the more pissed off I am. Scott is a complete jag-off. Does he forget that he was a joke before VR? No one, not even STP, wanted anything to do with him. Picking him wasn't for their benefit as much as it was for his. He's living somewhere over the rainbow right now, on Scott ego land, I mean that guy is not in touch with reality right now. He's not an important artist. And if it wasn't for VR he'd still be singing backup on Limp Bizkit albums. Then for him to turn around and piss on them now? The world has not exactly been itching for another STP record. They were a joke when they first came out, and not only were they still a joke after their second album, they were not even a successful joke anymore. I used to give them the benefit of the doubt because I liked some of their songs, but that's done now.

And yes Scott, you ripped off Eddie and Layne. Deal with it. That's why your style changed to what we have now after grunge died... What a fraud.

Rewind. Head Bangers Ball, early 90's:

Butthole Surfers: Hey...What band does STP remind you of?

Rikki Rachman: The question is, what band don't they remind you of?

And for the record, the weakest part of VR was Scott's songwriting. Sorry, but if some of those lyrics didn't make you cringe, or if you could listen through some of those songs with a straight face, then you are either deaf or living in Scott Weiland ego land too.

^^Yeah, I always thought his lyrics were always a weak point in the band

I actually quite liked lyrics like "somebody raped my tapeworm abortion, come on motherfuckers and deliver the cow".

I found them interesting.

Same here, love the abstract/vague lyrical approach.

Yeah, sometimes lyrics are better when you have to try and figure them out, plus, some of the imagery is just great ^_^

Scott takes another shot... on VR:

"You can't flog a dead horse"

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2008/04/11/quan.stone.temple.cnn?iref=videosearch

its not loading for me :S

You know, when they played that slither clip, I was like, FUCK, WHAT A GREAT FUCKING SONG!!!!!  I hope Scott and them have a good tour.  He is full of shit.  The band sounded good though.. 

The band sound really good. Hope it goes well.

This screams bitter and delusional.  Go ahead and rag STP.  It's the easy thing to do.  I'm going to go listen to Purple and Tiny Music.

Click on the link, then enter in the search video field on the lower right 'stone temple pilots'. Then you'll get a link to the video, click on it and then it will work

^

Heh, cheers. I've got it working, the plug in wasn't installed on my Mac. Nevermind :P Its sorted now, woo.

I saw that on CNN the other day. I wish they would give the context in which it was given.

What pisses me off is how people are so quick to jump off the ship.

People loved scott.

Now he left people hate him

Same with Buckethead in GNR and now if Robin leaves u will see these same people hating him when they once loved him.

Its ridiculous.
I've always liked Scott, I will always like Scott.

See, I kinda agree and I kinda don't. I grew up listening to STP, and I always thought he did a very good job with the talent he has in VR. That said, give credit where it's due-The Deleo's wrote the music for every recognizable stp song. Scott didn't write much music at all for STP until their last two albums, which in my opinion range from sometimes real strong to stuff I could do without. I am a fan of Scott as a performer, I was in the past and I am in the present. Even when I was 13 tho listening to STP he has always come off as extremely pretentious and as a prick. Scott the person I will never be a fan of.

When Weiland and Sorum were friends....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WtzLTuffs8

Weird Weiland Spoof....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9tYWalKZuI&feature=related

Im sorry, but if u dont like Scott's vocals and lyrics on STP songs.............. I honestly dont know what to say to u.

He has written some of the most recognizable melodies and lyrics in the last 15 years.

That's exactly what I thought, because the statement was there, but obviously just a "cut" piece.  We don't know the entire context of what he said, unfortunately......

Creep and Interstate love song 2 of my favorites. 

Scott has written some great melodies, but I don't see his lyrics as being all that great.  Never have.  I think he gets away with being a poor lyricist because he has a good voice and writes good melodies.  His melodies are memorable, not his lyrics.

Ali

Bitter? No. Pissed off? Yes. He's a complete dick. Most asshole rock stars at least have some charm, this guy doesn't. Nice way to stab the guys who picked you up out of the gutter in the back. How is that delusional?


Knock yourself out.

Lady Picture Show is one of the best songs written in the 90's

that and Big Empty alone win Scott major pts for whatever he decides to do.

The melodies and vocals to those songs are good, but so is the music.  For that, the De Leos deserve big props as well.

Ali

Yeah, but we we're talking about Scotts abilities. Not those chaps.

My views on Scott through the history of VR have differed over time, I'll admit that. However, I don't agree with these people who change their opinions just because he isn't playing with their favourite musicians anymore. Scott always has been and always will be a great performer. I love him as a musician and '12 Bar Blues' is still one of my favourite albums. I never cared that much for STP, however a lot of their songs stick in my head and I actually really enjoy watching them live. So many stand out songs, I can't believe they are not one of my favourite bands. I've lost where I was going now, so I'll shut up.

that doesn't match my feeling towards the ones you mentioned at all,

after this break-up i have more respect for scott then matt for example..

i wasn't around forums when buckethead left but since he have left i've checked him out and i think he's fawking amazing and actually think it's sad he left

if robin leaves i'll think it's a damn shame i don't think he will though, but if he did i'll still like what he've done for the band :) buckethead and finck is still 2 of my favourite guitarists and will probably be for a very long time

Just saying the points given for those songs as a whole cannot be solely given to Weiland.

Ali

Point taken :)

People who are fickle is why u have such shitty trends in music.

Its like when I was in high school, me and a friend of mine use to let each other borrow different Bon Jovi cassettes. we'd talk about them and listen to them and we both loved them.


6 months later, he is wearing flannel and is a huge "Nirvana, Pearl Jam" fan and somehow now Bon Jovi are the shittiest band on the planet.

HMMMMMMMMMMMM


I just have always hated fickle fuckin front runner, bandwagon fans.

If u love something, u love it. u shouldnt hop off to the next new thing.

same here.

If u thought Scott was awesome before, u shouldnt think he is shit now.


Which was like my previous Dave Navarro comment if he ever joined GNR.

I hate pretty much everything about him, so if he joined GNR, I wouldnt proclaim him to be the 2nd coming of Jesus. Id still hate him.

Absolutely ... I think Scott's an idiot ... but ... damn, I love the work he's done in VR ...

Well, fans from outside didn't know all the drama with STP so maybe he seemed cooler than he is.  On stage I like weiland, but off stage he can be a big ass.

Yeah thats the point I was trying to make in an earlier post. I don't know if idiot is the right word though. Egotistical and pretentious is better. But I am a fan of his work sans the solo album. That sucked bad.

Slash said it, then it must be law.

I wonder if anyone in VR had anything to do with Scott not feeling inspi(red) to make music.  I think that we fail to realize that there are other people in play that could of helped one feel like that.   There is a bigger picture here...

Well, I don't think VR contains Slash's most inspired playing, save for a few moments like "Set Me Free", "Slither", "Let It Roll" and "Messages".  "Get Out The Door" is awesome, but that's Kushner's riff.  I think having kick ass riffs to write lyrics and melodies to may make a singer want to elevate their game, so to speak.

If that's what you mean.

Ali

Is it that hard to believe that Scott was the problem in this situation?

yes  : ok:

Wait... How silly of me... I forgot how responsible he's been before VR (during and after), especially with his old band.  :hihi:

Scott is an amazing talent and this was a great band, I don't think they will find anyone like him, but I also agree Scott seems to have a "rock star" attitude (ask Hoobastank)-that really seems to rub people the wrong way-I'm curious to see the next STP release, but it also seems like Scott can wear out a welcome quick-and I totally understand Slash about leaving a crowd waiting around for 2 hours for a show-they did it in Detroit in Jan.

You could say the same thing about slash and the rest of the guys. They are hardly reliable, considering slash goes to rehab once every few years or so.

scott can go fuck himself. So glad Slash and Duff got rid of him!

There needs to be a solid chemistry in a band and although the guys from VR thought they had that for a while it didn't take long until they figured out it wasn't right. Guns n Roses had a great chemistry in the beginning, they were very rock n roll. A bunch of misfits that could make great music together, they were all on an equal par. They inspired each other to make music, Axl knew how to inspire Slash musically. The Sweet Child intro was Slash just fuckin around, it was Axl that wanted him to use it. VR isn't the same type of animal, all these guys are professional musicians with huge egos. Scott probably feels more at home with STP. They've a longer history together and are old friends. VR need someone really special. Sebastian Bach would be a fantastic vocalist but I'm not so keen on his lyric writing. Axl is a genius, they'll never get better. They need someone like Freddie Mercury or Bon Scott, unfortunately they're dead!! If I was Slash I'd be ringing Axl up now

I can see why Slash and the guys got rid of Scott. Scott is just way too difficult to deal with. On the other hand, Scott is bi-polar and that's beyond his control. He can't really help his difficult personality. To me this is kind of a no win situation. From the way I see it, it's only a matter of time until Scott starts clashing with the rest of STP.

Uh, no matter how they (VR camp) spin it - he got rid of them...

Slash, Duff and Matt had planned on getting rid of him for a long time.

Slash knows how to tell a good lie story.

Classic argumentum ad hominem (http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/person.html).


While he may have a propensity for fudging the truth, it has nothing to with Weiland's firing. The facts tend to support his story, ie, auditioning new singers, strife in the band, and the fact that some of his statements have been corroborated by other members of the band.

As soon as Scott said STP was on, he was done with VR.

They can spin it however they want, it was over.

But why does he mention those things AFTER Weiland leaves?

Just a pattern of lies that we all should have gotten used to by now.

Weiland wasn't fired.  He left those guys and they were caught with their pants down.

Exactly, I suspect he knew months before anything was publicly stated about a STP reunion that it was happening and that he was not sticking around with VR after the tour was done.

Arent they kind of ripping the fans staying together just to make money and play shows?

Oh hell no.

If those guys wanna play shows and fans wanna see them play, who's to judge motive?

I guess that is why they were auditioning singers before the last leg of their tour. I tend to think that Weiland saw "the writing on the wall".

Velvet Revolver?

No way!  :o




/jarmo

It will be a great show.  Hope they have fun.

I think it's more like VR saw ""the writing on the wall" when he committed to STP.  

Scott was always gonna be married to STP, VR was a girlfriend while legally separated.

Yep, that is probably a better analogy. Though, I doubt either side was caught off guard.

I just mean, if u arent getting a long and are only waiting to breakup to fulfill "dates" why not just refund people's money and call it a career?

^How about because they are artists.

It's a double edged sword - play and be called greedy or not and disappoint fans who wanted to see the band regardless of their eminent demise.

Personally..

I would have loved to been at a "last show" scenario, a band harnessing that energy with finality at hand would've been quite a sight.

The writing was on the wall when Libertad flopped and then their tour with AIC bombed.  After hearing SBQM and then Libertad, I called it that it would flop and the band would disintegrate.  This type of project was way too money driven from the get go to make any sense if it wasn't making money

I would bet that if Libertad had gone platinum and their last US tour hadn't had such poor ticket sales, VR would do at least one more album

It's pretty obvious that when Libertad failed, Weiland had no incentive to stick around.  On Libertad it sounded like he phoned it in and was just going through the motions on the large majority of the songs.  But then again so did the rest of the band

Once again, apparently Rick Rubin knew what he was talking about when he told them to record more songs.

I disagree with you on Libertad. I actually listen to Libertad more than Contraband, but it is definitely a different record.  Slash has more solos and the guitar effects are more imaginitive ( talk box on Get out the Door is very cool).  Scott's vocals came thru like he progressed since Contraband.

Yeah I don't think Libertad was a bad album.  I enjoyed it, but it didn't have very long lasting life in my CD player.  Not anywhere near Contraband.  But for whatever reason Libertad pretty much bombed.  Maybe it was the fact that it didn't really have any killer songs on it.  Lots of good, solid songs, but nothing that really stood out.

There was no big single. No Slither. Commercially not as good as Contraband, but artistically a forward progression by a very good band.

Haven't you read the latest Slash interview on this?

He says that scott was drifting away long time before the STP thing.
And Slash said that the STP wasn't the main reason for them wanting to get rid of them.

Whatever-caught with their pants down? Duff and Slash left one of the biggest bands in the world over 10 years ago and seemed to have survived ok

Why yes, yes I have.



Believe what you want I suppose but smart money says they'd stuck it out with him if he didn't want to go back to STP. 

Like him or not, Weiland's a bona fide rock star with the resume'/hits/persona and ego to make or break a band.

Those kind of guys are few and far between and finding another of that ilk will be a tough task.



I think he meant the VR guys weren't readily prepared for the STP bomb Scott dropped and tried to publicly portray Weiland's choice to leave VR for his former band as a "firing".

Probably-I'm sure most bands really don't plan splits months ahead of time a lot-it usually happens this way

Scott Weiland called in to promote the Stone Temple Pilots reunion. Howard asked Scott about his wife's crazy antics, but Scott took part of the blame, saying they were both bi-polar: ?It definitely made the sex interesting.? Howard wondered if Scott ever cheated on her, and Scott said that he's never cheated on his current wife. Scott also confessed that he still drinks a little, but he's been off heroin for five years.

Scott went on a strange rant about the ?baggage? that surrounded his stint in Velvet Revolver, describing his ex-band members as ?lead singer haters.? Howard took Scott to task for his own lead singer-hating, as Scott once called Axl Rose ?an untalented little man,? but Scott refused to comment further and would only offer a slightly backhanded compliment: Guns N Roses put out one the best records of the 80s.

Scott was on Howard Stern this morning, he said there were money issues before the Libertad tour that caused alot of tension within the band.  He said the STP thing definately didn't sit well with the other guys.  When Howard asked about them continuing with another singer, he said "that's something they would need to discuss with Mr. Davis" (Clive, I assume)  When they were discussing how its possible that those guys can't hold a band together he said "they're lead singer-haters" heehee  Scott said that Slash & Co. came into it with so much Axl baggage that it was never going to last.  When Howard read Scott his comments about Axl(botoxed,wig-wearing etc) Scott laughed and said "it's rockandroll man!"  He had nothing bad to say about Axl at all.  When Howard asked again about the guys moving on, Scott said he hopes that GNR reunites and puts out another album.  He said AFD was the Nevermind the Bollocks of its generation, and that they really should get back together.  Gotta say Scott sounded good and way more positive than I expected.  He also believes he and Slash can  be friends in the future.

Not sure where this should belong as it covers STP, VR, and a little bit of GNR, so feel free to move it to its most appropriate home. 

Scott Weiland called into the Stern show today and spoke about the breakup of VR, the reunion with STP, and a little bit about GNR.  Nothing groundbreaking, Scott was actually a lot more cordial towards Slash and co. than I expected.  Said Matt stirred things up by posting comments about him on his website.  Howard also brought up the negative comments Scott made about Axl and Scott also said Matt stirred the pot with that as well.  He basically said they all (VR) weren't getting along and the split had a lot to do with the STP reunion.  Howard asked what was wrong with Scott that he broke up with 2 bands?  Scott said those guys did the same thing with Axl, and that they were lead singer haters.  Howard then agreed with him.  He praised Slash and said he thinks they'll be friends in the future.  He also said he hopes that the guys get back together with Axl, and praised them by saying they released the best album in the 80's.

That's a brief synopsis.  Overall, Scott was a lot nicer and positive than I expected him to be.  Very few harsh words, if any at all.

Sorry I missed that, usually I listen to stern during the week......listening to the replay now....

Scott starting GNR reunion rumors!!!


I think that is awesome how he took the high road and complimented GNR. : ok:

Thanks to Mega Music from MYGNRFORUM.

Marksfriggin.com

Stone Temple Pilots Singer Scott Weiland Calls In. 04/23/08. 8:15am

Howard had Scott Weiland from Stone Temple Pilots, and formerly Velvet Revolver, on the phone so he picked up and asked him about his marriage. Scott said that he's kind of not together with her at the moment. He said that they're on and off all the time.

Howard asked Scott if he loves drama or something. Scott said he used to but not so much anymore. Howard wanted to talk to Scott about his wife but Scott told him that he had Adrian Young from the band No Doubt on the line with him.

Howard said he thought that Adrian used to bang Gwen Stefani. Adrian said that wasn't him that was one of the other guys in the band. They spent a short time talking about Gwen and how she left the band behind and went solo.

Howard said that Scott was out with Velvet Revolver for a while but now he's split from them and went back to the guys from Stone Temple Pilots. Scott said that the guys in Velvet Revolver weren't getting along with him and they had to call it quits. Scott said that he got back with the guys from STP and that may have had something to do with it.

Howard said that Scott has a history of not getting along with his band mates. Scott said that he does take some of the responsibility but some of the guys are known to be ''lead singer haters'' so it was getting pretty bad. He said that out of the blue Matt had posted something on a web site where he slagged him and he didn't like that. He said that he didn't remember exactly what it said though. Scott said that he had to retaliate after that.

Howard read some notes about what the guys were saying about Scott and how he had some erratic behavior and that he wasn't getting along with them. Scott said that they did a show one night and he told the audience that they were seeing the last Velvet Revolver show. He said he still had a commitment to make another record with them though.

Howard read that they're now talking about getting Chris Cornell to replace Scott. Scott said that they'll have to deal with a bunch of stuff in that band. Howard said that he read that Scott had bad mouthed Axl Rose at one point but Scott said that it's Rock and Roll and there was some stuff that was stirred up there. Scott said that he thinks that Guns N Roses did some great stuff during that era that they were together. He said he thinks that they should get back together.

Howard said he's glad that Scott is back with Stone Temple Pilots and that's where he should be. He said that he's made some great music with them and it makes sense to him that they're going back out on tour.

Scott said that it's really hard to be the front man of a band. He said he writes all of the lyrics and melodies and being that front person there is a responsibility to do interviews and getting up really early in the morning and things like that. He said that's all cool when you're in your 20s but it gets tedious when you get older.

Howard asked Scott if he bangs other women when he's out on the road. Scott said that he's never cheated on his wife when he's been married to this wife he has now. Howard said it must be tempting to go out and do other chicks. Scott said that it's not that hard. He talked about his many rehabs and he's had about 40 detoxes.

Scott said that he's been off heroin for about 5 years now. Howard congratulated him on that. Scott said that he'd love to be off of everything but it's not a perfect world. He said that he has an obsessive compulsive behavior and it draws him to other things. Robin asked Scott if he's on any prescription drugs. Scott said he's only on something for his bi-polar disorder.

Scott said that he's got a solo record coming out this fall. Howard said that the reunion tour is kicking off next month and you can find out more at StoneTemplePilots.com

Howard asked Scott how the reunion all came about. Scott talked about how things were going in Velvet Revolver and how things just weren't working out. Scott said that things are all cool with the guys in STP and they're all back into their big circle jerk thing.

Howard asked Scott if he hates Slash now. Scott said that he's a great guitar player and he's very humble for a guy who has branded himself as well as he has. He said that he's not about doing that himself but he thinks that Slash has made things work very well for him. Scott said that he doesn't hate him at all and hopes they can be friends again. Right now that's kind of tough while he's dealing with the STP thing. He said that it's almost like they never left each other.

Howard wrapped up with Scott and told him to come in with the guys in the band and play for them sometime. He said goodbye to him and ended up talking about Velvet Revolver for a few minutes. He said he didn't remember them having a big hit song. Gary said that they did have a big one called ''Slither'' but Howard didn't think it was that big of a song. Fred played the song and both Artie and Howard said that was no hit song. He said it was a good song but hnot a bit hit. Robin said it was a hit. HOward told her to stop with that becuase it wasn't a hit.





I thought Scott was cool as fuck and would like to still be Slash's friend and recommends GNR reunites. 

Slash should blow a kiss back to scott during next interview and take high road as well.

Some dudes are better off not being in a band together. I like that statement a whole lot better than his previous statements.

I really think the very best thing for VR to do is to not hire a lead singer and have a different big name singer on each album. I think artistically it will be fantastic for everyone involved. The possibilities are endless. If they really want Chris Cornell, who I think is who they really wanted in the first place and kind of settled for Scott (no disrespect meant), that's the only way he'll be a part of it. Because he has stated firmly that he will never be in a band again.

If they just hire some no name to come in its going to be a very difficult road, because he's not going to have that swagger or self assurance, or even the presence an established rock star is going to have, and that's what these guys need. If they choose to go the no name route they're going to end up like The Panic Channel.. ugghhh.

Plus, I really and truly believe the effect Axl had on these guys is too much for someone else to come in and try to take his place. Because that's what they'll be doing. I think Axl was so much a part of them musically that it went much deeper than just a bandmate or lead singer. It's going to take someone to take the place of Axl, not Scott, and there really is no one who can be another Axl. Not saying they can't go on without him or be very successful doing so, but Axl is always going to be a part of Slash and Duff, almost like a ghost haunting them, that it's going to be next to impossible to ever move on for them, especially being in the same band together. That's just my opinion, anyway.

 

kind of like "Post Traumatic Singer Disorder" :hihi: :rofl:

PTSD 

symptoms:

Loss of appetite. Mood Swings. Night sweats. Confusion. Memory lapses. And an inability to maintain a lasting relationship with a lead singer.

:hihi:

That's pretty cool of Scott, I think he's basically saying it didn't work, but nothing personal in the long run-shows Slash is a good guy, really

Listeners e-mailed into the Stern show today bashing Scott, saying he's a dick and he was rambling the whole interview. Which he was, he was going into these long explanations and struggled to get the words out.  I also have no clue why the guy from No Doubt was on the phone with him.  He really added nothing, except for a few comments about Gwen.  Maybe a reunited No Doubt joining STP on tour. The never mentioned that though.
Anyway, I thought Scott took the high road, no need to lash back.  He mentioned during the interview when discussing his comments on Axl that "it's rock and roll". I think people forget that sometimes.  It's not like working at an insurance company. They have certain egos, personas, and images to uphold.  People try to blame one side or the other.  They all play a part, there's no definite villain (except for Matt according to Scott). Weiland broke away from 2 bands.  Slash and co. have broke away with 2 bands.  And of course Axl has had his problems with a number of bands.  It's rock and roll.  So people, stop trying to lay the blame.  Sorry, just my thoughts.

I hope the media accept your advice. 
I don't think rock n roll is about bitch fests, defamations or backbites.

Don't apologize.  They were some very good thoughts, and very well said. 

jupp...weiland is a fraud alright.

Scott Weiland Is Going to Jail

Posted Apr 28th 2008 4:58PM by TMZ Staff

Scott Weiland is Going to JailRock star Scott Weiland has just been sentenced to 192 hours in county jail for his November DUI arrest. This is Weiland's second DUI offense. He has until May 28 to serve the sentence.

Scott, who was not present in court today, entered a no contest plea through his attorney, Anthony Brooklier. The former Velvet Revolver singer was also ordered to complete an 18-month alcohol program and pay almost $2,000 in fines. He will be put on a four-year summary probation.

I kind of doubt that he can spend 4 years on paper without violating.

Does this ruin tour plans?

^If they're on tour, and he violates it will, but right now, their tour doesn't start until late May. He has until then to serve his 8 days.