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Title: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: axlroses on April 03, 2008, 09:55:10 PM Guns N' Roses fans, the more-than-a-decade-in the-making album Chinese Democracy really does seem to be getting very close to a release date. No, really. This is what I'm hearing: Axl Rose & Co. have recently been letting people, music industry honchos, tastemakers and so forth, listen to six new tracks, according to a music executive who has heard the songs. The exec raved about the music. ?It?s really good,? he said. ?Axl?s voice sounds exactly the same, but the songs sound contemporary. You expect it to be a trainwreck, but it?s not.? Reps didn?t talk about exact release dates, according to my source, but they implied it could still happen by the end of the year. (Yes, I know we've heard this before.) Just last week, Rose announced on the official Guns N? Roses website that the band hired a new management team headed by heavyweights Irving Azoff and Andy Gould. The band?s last original recordings, Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II, were released in 1991. Since their debut in 1985, they have sold an estimated 90 million albums worldwide. http://www.eonline.com/gossip/planetgossip/detail/index.jsp?uuid=2ec9c617-6394-40e3-bd9e-29cd304270b5 Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: ben9785 on April 03, 2008, 10:13:42 PM The release date does seem closer based on recent events, Dr Pepper response, new management..
Any other gossip or informal discussion such as the link you provided is encouraging but still can't be taken to heart.. Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: Voodoochild on April 03, 2008, 10:27:59 PM Sure. But IF this is true, Id imagine the six new songs are the new ones played live, right? That would prevent any real damage of any leaks...
Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: anyone on April 04, 2008, 01:49:52 AM "Guns N' Roses fans, the more-than-a-decade-in the-making album Chinese Democracy really does seem to be getting very close to a release date.
No, really. This is what I'm hearing: Axl Rose & Co. have recently been letting people, music industry honchos, tastemakers and so forth, listen to six new tracks, according to a music executive who has heard the songs. The exec raved about the music. ?It?s really good,? he said. ?Axl?s voice sounds exactly the same, but the songs sound contemporary. You expect it to be a trainwreck, but it?s not.? Reps didn?t talk about exact release dates, according to my source, but they implied it could still happen by the end of the year. (Yes, I know we've heard this before.) Just last week, Rose announced on the official Guns N? Roses website that the band hired a new management team headed by heavyweights Irving Azoff and Andy Gould. The band?s last original recordings, Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II, were released in 1991. Since their debut in 1985, they have sold an estimated 90 million albums worldwide." :beer: I wonder what those six songs are... Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: SLCPUNK on April 04, 2008, 01:53:50 AM Cool.
Got a linky? Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: grog mug on April 04, 2008, 01:59:30 AM I saw this as well. I guess the topic got deleted earlier already, but yeah its on E!'s website. Hopefully the new management is urging axl to get this thing out...
Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: Genesis on April 04, 2008, 01:59:51 AM E! Online (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/planetgossip/detail/index.jsp?uuid=2ec9c617-6394-40e3-bd9e-29cd304270b5&sid=fd-planet)
Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: SLCPUNK on April 04, 2008, 02:20:46 AM I love reading this, even if it's bullshit... :hihi:
Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: Skeba on April 04, 2008, 02:40:32 AM I'm _really_ hoping this to be a sign of good things to come in the not so distant future...
Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: grog mug on April 04, 2008, 02:47:13 AM I don't understand why he would have to play it for execs? Doesn't he already have a company that hes going to release it through? Makes no sense to me....
Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: Ali on April 04, 2008, 02:57:03 AM I don't understand why he would have to play it for execs? Doesn't he already have a company that hes going to release it through? Makes no sense to me.... The only thing I can think of is that perhaps the record is being shopped around. Perhaps. Ali Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: lynn1961 on April 04, 2008, 03:12:02 AM What six new tracks?!?
Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: daviebuckethead on April 04, 2008, 03:14:17 AM obvioisly its 6 new tracks that we (as fans) have probably heard live, i.e they are on CD.
i thik this is really positive, and things seem to be moving forward now.. the "could still be out by the end of the year..." thing did sting a little now. surely it wont be 2009 before we see "official" new material? Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: anyone on April 04, 2008, 03:52:49 AM Hate to be negative but if he is indeed trying to sell it to another record companies it might be because they are still arguing about the marketing with current label. And they are not anywhere near agreement if that's the case. This would mean 2008 doesn't look promising.
But probably the whole story is BS. Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: Led Roses 06 on April 04, 2008, 04:27:24 AM I know that I do not post often, but I'm on here all of the time. Considering that there is no recognition of a reporter or any sort of clearly identifiable source, I find this diffucult to hold true. We've all ready heard 6 tracks "supposedly from CD", considering there may be multiple albums. This merely seems like an attempt for an irreputible news source to use the recent Guns N' Roses announcements as filler stories. I highly doubt anyone that they have contact with has heard 6 new GNR songs, let alone the finalized versions of the 6 leaks that we have. There is no way Axl, or Universal, or his mgmt, would let any formidable information leak through some hackneyed newsource. If this news were to first break through a mass media outlet, not counting the internet, it would be Rolling Stone Magazine, unless a bidding war insued. If it were to count the internet the first sign we would see is a revamped website and an announcement of CD. Also, it could be in Axl's contract w/ his mgmt or Universal, that he is the first one to announce anything dealing with the release of CD, which is more than likely the case. I do not mean to come off as an ass, I'm merely using what I've learned in my music industry classes, and my impressions of Axl and CD. I may be the first to bring this up, but marketing may not be the reason that the album is being held up. It is more than likely recoupment by the record company. (For those who don't know, recoupment is the money the record company takes off the top of album sales to get back their initial investement in producing and distribuitng the album.) For most A-list artists like GN'R the break-even point for the record company is somewhere around 500,000 copies, but given the nature of CD the break even point is much higher, since the album is somewhere around $15 million in the making. In addition, Universal would only get touring, merchandising, and/or publishing rights if they were to have a career-coventure with Axl/GN'R, which is highly unlikely. Also, given the announcement of his highly accredited mgmt team, they probably bargained for 20% or maybe more, of Axl's earnings, which are taken off his gross earnings. (15-10% off gross is standard for top earning artists.) This will also play a crucial role in the final release, determining how many formats it will have and how much promotion it will have, since theses are the two major roles the record company plays, which determines how much more money they need to invest. Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: HBK on April 04, 2008, 05:13:22 AM E! Online (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/planetgossip/detail/index.jsp?uuid=2ec9c617-6394-40e3-bd9e-29cd304270b5&sid=fd-planet) Excelent.. OMG... ALL World.. NEED GNR Democracy !! HBK * Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: gunns1 on April 04, 2008, 05:22:31 AM this is great, and I think its true, I mean Its not april fools day anymore so I cant see them going to the trouble of making up a story from nothing,
at least some of it must be true.... the 6 songs the execs heard however could just be: studio vers of madagascar twat, the blues better IRS chinese democracy but I think this year is building up some very nice anticipation now, and even though it was the same in 06, I think now that axl knows he has a positive reaction still with his fans , 2006 might of just been testing the waters, now in 2008 with all these events happening: 1. new band management. 2. Dr Pepper promotion which is a first for dr pepper ,and its free promotion for axl all signs are positive and I think that list will be growing in the coming months .. things are looking sweet for an 08 release .. fingerz X Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: wight gunner on April 04, 2008, 05:48:49 AM this is great, and I think its true, I mean Its not april fools day anymore so I cant see them going to the trouble of making up a story from nothing, at least some of it must be true.... the 6 songs the execs heard however could just be: studio vers of madagascar twat, the blues better IRS chinese democracy All of which maybe singles or that have possiblities for Advertisments of somekind (we know Better was linked with Harley Davidson - CD (the song) and the Olympic Games perhaps???) they would without doubt be looking to monies beyond CD (the album) sales. Given the band has new management, it isn't inconcieveable that they have "their" contacts/team that "they " trust/work with. In life its often not what you know, but who you know, the changes announced lately point that the changes will have a knock on effect. If anything, this may delay the release by a week or two, BUT and its a big BUT, the fresh eyes looking over whats been already done (and I don't mean studio stuff!!) will add to what promises to be a great new era in the life of Guns n' Fuckin' Roses for ALL who are involved. :beer: Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: jarmo on April 04, 2008, 06:48:52 AM If this story is true, it just shows that the album definitely is done and the priority is to get it out as soon as possible.
I thought certain people are played tracks from forthcoming albums albums all the time. To keep them updated, to create hype etc. Not necessarily because you're trying to sell the album to somebody else. /jarmo Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: gunns1 on April 04, 2008, 06:53:18 AM If this story is true, it just shows that the album definitely is done and the priority is to get it out as soon as possible. I thought certain people are played tracks from forthcoming albums albums all the time. To keep them updated, to create hype etc. Not necessarily because you're trying to sell the album to somebody else. /jarmo wouldnt it be pointless though if its just to create hype? I mean why play it to the execs if geffen/interscope already have the rights to cd... I mean creating hype for cd? is that really any more necessary, whats the most they can benefit without releasing to much information, which they havent done here, theyve only said 6 songs? The whole story seems true, yet somewhat fishy... Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: jarmo on April 04, 2008, 06:58:36 AM If this story is true, it just shows that the album definitely is done and the priority is to get it out as soon as possible. I thought certain people are played tracks from forthcoming albums albums all the time. To keep them updated, to create hype etc. Not necessarily because you're trying to sell the album to somebody else. /jarmo wouldnt it be pointless though if its just to create hype? I mean why play it to the execs if geffen/interscope already have the rights to cd... I mean creating hype for cd? is that really any more necessary, whats the most they can benefit without releasing to much information, which they havent done here, theyve only said 6 songs? The whole story seems true, yet somewhat fishy... I wasn't talking specifically about this cd. Just in general. /jarmo Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: bazgnr on April 04, 2008, 07:14:33 AM If this story is true, it just shows that the album definitely is done and the priority is to get it out as soon as possible. I thought certain people are played tracks from forthcoming albums albums all the time. To keep them updated, to create hype etc. Not necessarily because you're trying to sell the album to somebody else. /jarmo wouldnt it be pointless though if its just to create hype? I mean why play it to the execs if geffen/interscope already have the rights to cd... I mean creating hype for cd? is that really any more necessary, whats the most they can benefit without releasing to much information, which they havent done here, theyve only said 6 songs? The whole story seems true, yet somewhat fishy... I wasn't talking specifically about this cd. Just in general. /jarmo But in the case of this CD, perhaps "hearing is believing" for some within the industry, giving them an opportunity to separate myth from reality, as well as generate anticipation. Assuming it's true, it can't be anything but good news... Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: jarmo on April 04, 2008, 07:19:46 AM But in the case of this CD, perhaps "hearing is believing" for some within the industry, giving them an opportunity to separate myth from reality, as well as generate anticipation. Assuming it's true, it can't be anything but good news... That's true. If you show people, who doubt the album's existence, that they're wrong, hopefully they won't be as inclined to keep repeating the same old lines... /jarmo Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: gunns1 on April 04, 2008, 07:33:37 AM But in the case of this CD, perhaps "hearing is believing" for some within the industry, giving them an opportunity to separate myth from reality, as well as generate anticipation. Assuming it's true, it can't be anything but good news... That's true. If you show people, who doubt the album's existence, that they're wrong, hopefully they won't be as inclined to keep repeating the same old lines... /jarmo and it will also aid in "silencing any critics' so to speak, and in turn, it might generate the kind of interest in some people who might believe in it as far as to go to mabye help being apart of the album in some way either investing in it by helping with funds... i.e promotion? magazines? Rs ..... who knows, but chinese democracy is the cheese on the mouse trap and the world is the rat... Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: sandman on April 04, 2008, 07:55:23 AM IF it's true that Axl has played songs for "industry honchos," the benefit has already been realized. it's been mentioned in an article by a major entertainment news source that those execs really like the music. so a positive buzz is now being passed on to the general public.
also, there are still people that work for the record labels who are paid to generate buzz and get songs played on the radio. my guess is that it had nothing to do with letting other record labels hear the music to potentially sell it to them. Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: RnT on April 04, 2008, 08:19:07 AM Guns N' Roses fans, the more-than-a-decade-in the-making album Chinese Democracy really does seem to be getting very close to a release date. No, really. This is what I'm hearing: Axl Rose & Co. have recently been letting people, music industry honchos, tastemakers and so forth, listen to six new tracks, according to a music executive who has heard the songs. The exec raved about the music. ?It?s really good,? he said. ?Axl?s voice sounds exactly the same, but the songs sound contemporary. You expect it to be a trainwreck, but it?s not.? Reps didn?t talk about exact release dates, according to my source, but they implied it could still happen by the end of the year. (Yes, I know we've heard this before.) Just last week, Rose announced on the official Guns N? Roses website that the band hired a new management team headed by heavyweights Irving Azoff and Andy Gould. The band?s last original recordings, Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II, were released in 1991. Since their debut in 1985, they have sold an estimated 90 million albums worldwide. http://www.eonline.com/gossip/planetgossip/detail/index.jsp?uuid=2ec9c617-6394-40e3-bd9e-29cd304270b5 Let?s say that by October CD is released... Beta didn?t say that they wanted to release the album BEFORE last Christmans ?? That the albums was already finished ... So... 1 whole year with the album finished and getting "ready" to release? :P Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: Oh My Choking Soul on April 04, 2008, 08:47:30 AM If this story is true, it just shows that the album definitely is done and the priority is to get it out as soon as possible. I thought certain people are played tracks from forthcoming albums albums all the time. To keep them updated, to create hype etc. Not necessarily because you're trying to sell the album to somebody else. /jarmo That is true. Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: Nytunz on April 04, 2008, 08:55:10 AM Ahh! This is really good news! Since its from Eonline, there is a good chance there is truth to it!
But, could they have already startet some kind of promotion tour or something? I guss that might bee a bit too early I remember when Tool released 10 000 days, they travled around letting people in the media listen to it. I guess this was a couple of month before they released it in the recordshops... Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: faldor on April 04, 2008, 09:02:20 AM This seems like some reporter just trying to cash in on the recent buzz that GNR has created. I mean, the 6 songs are most likely the songs that've been in circulation for years now. I guess Axl could've delivered the goods himself or had someone do it for him. Just seems like the timing was right for this story, that's all. I wouldn't put too much into it.
Title: Axl showcasing 6 new songs. Post by: LIGuns on April 04, 2008, 09:11:19 AM Marc Malkin of E! Online reports that Axl Rose has recently been letting people, music industry honchos, tastemakers and so forth, listen to six new tracks from GUNS N' ROSES long-awaited new album "Chinese Democracy", according to a music executive who has heard the songs.
The exec raved about the music. "It's really good," he said. "Axl's voice sounds exactly the same, but the songs sound contemporary. You expect it to be a trainwreck, but it's not." I wonder if they are songs other than what has been heard.. Title: Re: Axl showcasing 6 new songs. Post by: gunns1 on April 04, 2008, 09:12:35 AM already a thread.............
Title: Re: Axl showcasing 6 new songs. Post by: russtcb on April 04, 2008, 09:25:14 AM Marc Malkin of E! Online reports that Axl Rose has recently been letting people, music industry honchos, tastemakers and so forth, listen to six new tracks from GUNS N' ROSES long-awaited new album "Chinese Democracy", according to a music executive who has heard the songs. The exec raved about the music. "It's really good," he said. "Axl's voice sounds exactly the same, but the songs sound contemporary. You expect it to be a trainwreck, but it's not." I wonder if they are songs other than what has been heard.. I was wondering that yesterday but I guess it doesn't really matter overall. As long as the reaction from record execs is good, then it'll all help forward progression I would think. Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: ToonGuns on April 04, 2008, 09:44:32 AM this is great, and I think its true, I mean Its not april fools day anymore so I cant see them going to the trouble of making up a story from nothing, at least some of it must be true.... the 6 songs the execs heard however could just be: studio vers of madagascar twat, the blues better IRS chinese democracy All of which maybe singles or that have possiblities for Advertisments of somekind (we know Better was linked with Harley Davidson - CD (the song) and the Olympic Games perhaps???) they would without doubt be looking to monies beyond CD (the album) sales. Given the band has new management, it isn't inconcieveable that they have "their" contacts/team that "they " trust/work with. In life its often not what you know, but who you know, the changes announced lately point that the changes will have a knock on effect. If anything, this may delay the release by a week or two, BUT and its a big BUT, the fresh eyes looking over whats been already done (and I don't mean studio stuff!!) will add to what promises to be a great new era in the life of Guns n' Fuckin' Roses for ALL who are involved. :beer: That's interesting..! Nobody else has really picked up on the fact that the Olympic Games are this year and in China! Could be a timing thing Axl's working on there... Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: ppbebe on April 04, 2008, 10:08:35 AM Nobody else has really picked up on the fact that the Olympic Games are this year and in China! No shit! We did as early as in 2005. search this board for Beijing/Peking/china Olympic 08/08/08. :smoking:Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: CheapJon on April 04, 2008, 10:28:19 AM when libertad and white stripes last records got released last year, the bands record company had people listening to some songs and tested som songs so that they'd know which songs would fit as singles, at least i remember i read about that so it problaby pretty common, and maybe if this is true this was about that : ok:
if ya knowz wh00t me meanz Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: HBK on April 04, 2008, 11:57:37 AM It's really good," he said ".
"Axl's voice sounds exactly the same, but the songs sound contemporary. You expect it to be a trainwreck, but it's not." GET Ready For This ??? :beer: :smoking: :beer: HBK * Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: suicide on April 04, 2008, 12:10:02 PM If you show people, who doubt the album's existence, that they're wrong, hopefully they won't be as inclined to keep repeating the same old lines... Hey Axl, I really really really doubt the album's existence, please come over to prove me wrong! Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: freedom78 on April 04, 2008, 01:21:50 PM But in the case of this CD, perhaps "hearing is believing" for some within the industry, giving them an opportunity to separate myth from reality, as well as generate anticipation. Assuming it's true, it can't be anything but good news... That's true. If you show people, who doubt the album's existence, that they're wrong, hopefully they won't be as inclined to keep repeating the same old lines... /jarmo Random thought, but could hearing the product be a way to recruit potential opening acts from other labels for a tour? I don't mean to start a rumor, but it seems like someone would be more likely to sign on if their label believes any upcoming tour (again...NOT starting a rumor) is less of a "nostalgia" tour (for lack of a better word) and a tour promoting a new album that's high quality and likely to draw new fans to the show. Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on April 04, 2008, 02:04:06 PM I don't understand why he would have to play it for execs? Doesn't he already have a company that hes going to release it through? Makes no sense to me.... They are probably playing songs to people who are respected in the music industry to gauge reactions and decide what songs to release as singles and that sort of thing. We know the album is finished, but they may have 4 or 5 songs they're considering to release as the lead single. Obviously they want to make absolutely sure the first single is a big hit with legs Title: Re: EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD Post by: crazycheryl on April 04, 2008, 05:19:04 PM I know that I do not post often, but I'm on here all of the time. Considering that there is no recognition of a reporter or any sort of clearly identifiable source, I find this diffucult to hold true. We've all ready heard 6 tracks "supposedly from CD", considering there may be multiple albums. This merely seems like an attempt for an irreputible news source to use the recent Guns N' Roses announcements as filler stories. I highly doubt anyone that they have contact with has heard 6 new GNR songs, let alone the finalized versions of the 6 leaks that we have. There is no way Axl, or Universal, or his mgmt, would let any formidable information leak through some hackneyed newsource. If this news were to first break through a mass media outlet, not counting the internet, it would be Rolling Stone Magazine, unless a bidding war insued. If it were to count the internet the first sign we would see is a revamped website and an announcement of CD. Also, it could be in Axl's contract w/ his mgmt or Universal, that he is the first one to announce anything dealing with the release of CD, which is more than likely the case. I do not mean to come off as an ass, I'm merely using what I've learned in my music industry classes, and my impressions of Axl and CD. I may be the first to bring this up, but marketing may not be the reason that the album is being held up. It is more than likely recoupment by the record company. (For those who don't know, recoupment is the money the record company takes off the top of album sales to get back their initial investement in producing and distribuitng the album.) For most A-list artists like GN'R the break-even point for the record company is somewhere around 500,000 copies, but given the nature of CD the break even point is much higher, since the album is somewhere around $15 million in the making. In addition, Universal would only get touring, merchandising, and/or publishing rights if they were to have a career-coventure with Axl/GN'R, which is highly unlikely. Also, given the announcement of his highly accredited mgmt team, they probably bargained for 20% or maybe more, of Axl's earnings, which are taken off his gross earnings. (15-10% off gross is standard for top earning artists.) This will also play a crucial role in the final release, determining how many formats it will have and how much promotion it will have, since theses are the two major roles the record company plays, which determines how much more money they need to invest. There is a writer on the story - it is Marc Malkin's column and he says he has a source - of course he isn't going to name such person - journalists reporting any news aren't supposed to snitch on their sources. And I seriously doubt this would be filler material - why do filler material on Axl and CD? Wouldn't that be like shooting yourself in the foot? Especially considering the time it has taken for this disc to come out? He could have discussed J. Lo's babies or something trivial. Not something fans have been waiting for so long. Let's mess with the GNR fans and make up some bs. Yeah that sounds like fun. Not. |