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Press Release   Source: Sanctuary Artist Management

Velvet Revolver to Part Ways With Singer
Tuesday April 1, 3:46 pm ET

LOS ANGELES--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Velvet Revolver founding members Slash, Duff McKagan, Matt Sorum and Dave Kushner announced today that they are parting ways with singer Scott Weiland. "This band is all about its fans and its music and Scott Weiland isn't 100% committed to either," said Slash. "Among other things, his increasingly erratic on-stage behavior and personal problems have forced us to move on."

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080401/20080401006700.html?.v=1

Thanks for posting, man.  You are always on the news updates!  :)

Wow, I didn't see this one coming  :hihi:

Hopefully all involved will move on to better situations.

I hope that Slash and Duff stay together and make music.

Ali

They couldn't wait until April 2nd, they had to issue the press release on April Fools Day?

Well, it's been brewing for a long time.  Given that, I think the seriousness of this statement is obvious.

Ali

I highly doubt Yahoo news and the artist's management are into playing April Fool's jokes right now.

Can't say we didn't see this coming though.

Hopefully they will find someone who is a better fit with the rest of the band who seem to work well together otherwise.

Others are running it too...

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080401006700&newsLang=en

http://www.forbes.com/businesswire/feeds/businesswire/2008/04/01/businesswire20080401006700r1.html

are they with sanctuary now? :o

No, I guess not.  Just wishful thinking on my part, I've been waiting all day for a good joke.  Seriously, though, if it were me, I think I'd be pretty pissed getting fired on April Fools Day.  Regardless, both sides will move on and I think continue to be relatively successful.

Both sides will be moving on, but Weiland is entering, or re-entering actually, a known entity with STP.  VR with a new singer is an unknown entity and a new frontman could change VR quite a bit depending on who he is and how much he contributes with the songwriting process.

Ali

Who's looking forward to the reality show where they find a new singer?

 ;)






/jarmo

I guess that would be a sequel to the first VH1 special.  I'd watch it for sure.  I'm curious.  Though, I think once was enough.

Ali

Do any VR fans feel like it won't be the real Velvet Revolver without Weiland? 

i always kind of felt VR was a slash/duff/matt project...I just wonder who they will get...

That's messed up to announce this the day of the last show.  I guess Slash is trying to get the jump on things and show who really runs the band......

I hope they don't feel that way.  The rest of the band is obviously very tight and work well together, it seems to me that Scott was the one who was driving things apart.  You almost knew when he started talking nonstop about the STP reunion that he was going to be making an exit. 
 

I found that strange as well.  I believe the current time in Amsterdam is about 10:30, so they should be in the middle performing right about now.

well, I like VR, but I never got why they ended up with him, he dident fit perfectly, and their next singer should be closer to Slash musically because it is a waste to pair Slash with anybody who?s not close to his artistic style, hope it is someone who rocks hard in the league of Bach, Axl or somebody who make a GREAT frontman like Lee Roth or something, thats my wish if I could decide for them...  At least its not boring, and they are still able to cause some scandals... :rofl:

Not about the money?

Oh darn....




/jarmo

Well, we all need money, but it is possible to both doing something you love, and live off it the same time. And Jarmo, say what you want but I have never gotten the impression from Slash/Duff that they have done so much things just for the money, I mean if they were sooooooo hungry for making big bucks they would have stayed with Axl, dont you think?

Don't bring Axl into this.  : ok:



You want a list of things VR has done for money?

Duff even admitted they were doing those VIP Meet & Greet things because it was a way to make money on tour.


Slash has transformed himself from "only" a guitar hero for rock fans into a brand name who appears in video games and sells Gibson guitars.

If it was only about music, I wouldn't be surprised if he hadn't done many of these things.

Obviously he's free to do whatever the fuck he feels like to pay the bills, but please don't tell me "This band is all about its fans and its music ".....


And no, I'm still not in VR. You might have heard otherwise from several (clueless) posters on this board, but it's not true.  ;D





/jarmo

I'm not sure Scott will appreciate Billboard's title... :D

Velvet Revolver Boots Scott Weiland

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003783878

I'm not a fan of the tone of the above, at all.

Just say you're parting ways and move forward.

The finger pointing at Weiland sits no better with me than Weiland's goofy press release aimed at Sorum.

That said...

It makes for very interesting rock n roll theatre.... :yes:

im awaiting scott weilands venemous rant towards slash and all of this....the next few months might be pretty fun to watch..

Considering he was open about how this was the last tour (unlike the rest of the band), I wouldn't be surprised if he actually told the band he was leaving some time ago.

Then they put out that press release to make it seem like he was fired.





/jarmo

I appologize for bringing A...  eeh, I mean MR X into this even if I kind of complimented him, sorry!

Yeah I know they are doing things that makes them money, but it dosent mean that they are only about the money. With that reasoning all recording/touring artist are in it for the money in some way...

Dont know if you (Jarmo) directed your last sentance at me, but I dident even hint at you being in VR??

I agree 100%.

The day he confirmed the STP reunion he in effect fired them, made STP his priority.

This was a face saviing move at best, a classless one at that.

I understand what you're saying, but to me it's honestly not as bad as Weiland's press release against Sorum or Weiland's other infamous press release a couple of years ago.

Overall, Slash could have been a lot more venomous, but he wasn't.  It was honest without being childish and resorting to name-calling.

Ali

I didn't say only either!

I hinted at it being a possible motivator in at least some cases while Slash says "This band is all about its fans and its music".



No.



/jarmo

Jarmo, like you even said, Slash is a Rock Icon, a brand name, and a Session player to the stars.  I really do think they do VR for themselves.  Would they like to be successful?  Sure, but he doesn't need VR to make a living.

Well that is that, I guess. At the very least, fans could have hoped for a reconciliation after STP was through, but this even kills that possibility. Scott looked great up there with Slash N' Duff even though I felt his voice was overwhelmed by the freight train from VR's harder tracks. He wrote some terrific ballads and I truly appreciate Loving the Alien and Messages as two truly terrific contributions to my life.

And now he's moving on....

Falcon, I don't see the need for the release either.  I rather not burn bridges.  There must be some behind the scenes stuff we don't know about.  That being said, Slash's comments were dead on.  Scott this past tour was aweful and disrespectful and they often had to turn his mike off cause he was wasted and was fucking up a good performance.

You Got No Right, his finest lyrical moment in VR.  The other ballads were good too, even if repetitive. 

That was a good one, too. With a great Slash solo.

Cheers.

Compare where he was before VR and where he is today.

It's not a question about just making a living. Look at Izzy. He seems to manage just fine without all the attention and stuff.


He's way more in the spotlight today than he was in say 2002.



And once again I'd like to remind you that I don't care how he makes a living. It's up to him.

But don't tell us "it's all about the music and fans".




/jarmo

Jarmo

Please name me one band that doesnt do this shit for the money?

D!!!!!!!!!  No you didn't... You know who he is gonna say.  Now you are guilty of bringing "them" up in the VR section.  UGH.

There's really no justification or levels of "bad" for me on this one, both were sheer idiocy


Lets not forget the other press release and chain of events that prompted that one, easily the lowest point in their whole history for me.


Sure it could've been worse...but...

It still looks like a face saving move to me, simple as that.

Pearl Jam.

Happy?




/jarmo

That's for damn sure.

This was mishandled by all parties involved.  They all just kept stooping lower and lower.  The bigger thing to do would have been to just do the press release without attacking Scott in the process.  They could have just stated they were parting ways and have been done with it.

LOL!

Dude ... you really have to jump off that train ... he didn't bring Axl up :)  His point was entirely about the course of Slash and Duff's career choices, and entirely not about Axl.

Personally I'm glad about this situation ... VR needs stability and Scott doesn't offer that.  I'm in a band and if my singer was THAT flakey, I'd be fucking pissed off a LOT.

You don't know ANYTHING about the reasons that Pearl Jam exist.  No matter what you think or say... any band... and that includes PJ... has it's reasons ... they may be music... money... fame ... etc.  But what you see on the outside is not always what they talk about in the boardroom or rehearsal studio.

 : ok:

Ha!!!!  I forgot, Alternative bands or "Grunge" bands hated money....  Get Real.  PJ is a fantastic band that isn't too greedy and didn't sell out and fought ticket master.  But, like Slash, they play music for themselves.  Just so happens, they have all made a lot of money doing it.

He said if they were about money they would've stayed with Axl. Like it would be a guarantee to make money and/or that GN'R is motivated by it.

But the fact is, Slash has said how he didn't appreciate GN'R "wasting" money. So there goes that theory.

And no, I don't think this has anything to do with GN'R no matter how you VR fans wish it did. That's why I don't like them being brought up every fucking time something bad happens to your beloved VR.





If I don't know anything about PJ, you know even less.

 : ok:

Their actions speak louder than your words.





/jarmo

HAHAHA yeah, pearl jam give free concerts right? They dont sell merchandise. they dont charge for Cds or Dvds.

Next u are gonna tell me they donate every cent they make to charity.

Every band does this in part cause of money.


Some are less whores than others, but I dont see anyone doing this for free.


I just love how jarmo, u and others would be the first to call Jon Bon Jovi a whore when he donates and does more for charity than most the bands u tout combined.

Boy, you really are clueless and off topic....

You wanted an example of a band that's not motivated by the money and I gave you one. Now you ask me of they play for free etc etc.  ::)





/jarmo

Okay ... couple of quick things ... His reasons for mentioning Axl were to say that the Guns N' Roses name is going to make more money than most others.  So from a financial point of view, it makes more sense.  Now ... it doesn't matter how much they wasted, because the name and band made enough money to STILL make tons of profit.  So ... you're wrong.  There was no indication in his post that he was accusing GnR of being motivated by money.  And I seriously don't understand how you got to thinking from this post that 'us VR fans' (I'm a Guns N' Roses fan too you know... I've slagged Axl and co off but I've slagged Scott off too... before this fiasco... so it proves I'm not biased), wanted it to be about GnR.  You're the one bringing that into it.

So... regarding your knowledge of Pearl Jam ... you can know 100x more than me ... and my previous point still stands.  You ... I .... Ali ... D ... and anyone else on this board ... none of them know what's going on behind the scenes of these bands.  You can't deny that ... so stop trying to compete with me about the knowledge you have.

And how about Slash?

Or Matt?



Maybe you weren't motivated by money in 1996, but that doesn't mean you still aren't in 2008.

Maybe you don't realize you miss something until years later?






I'm not competing at all. Seems like you are.


I'm saying, there are bands who actually do more for their fans than VR and still don't claim to be "all about the music and fans"....

If you still think they're only motivated by money or money is the most important thing to them, I think you should study them a bit more.





/jarmo

I have a feeling we will hear from Scott soon. ;)

You compared ... not me :)

And no ... so far Matt and Slash haven't pissed me off.  Sorry.  :)

I genuinely believe that Slash and Matt and Duff etc do not need to be motivated by money ... and that they aren't.  BUT ... I am 100% sure that money is of some importance ... same way it is in my life.  You have to make profit when you run your own business.  But ... you can enjoy your work and love it dearly.

I work as an artist for a living ... running my own business.  I love it.  I wanna make shit loads of money to secure it and make sure it's working out.

Simple business to me.  And any band pretending that money isn't important at all, is a group of lying fucks.  Duff has commented that they have to make money.  And he's right.  No one disputes that money is important.  But it's NOT more important.  Otherwise they'd be in ... a 'more secure' band ... ;)

Oh well, I'm just glad to see that the band will continue on, find a new singer, and release a new album.

Slash and Duff now each have two albums on the way, and I'm just happy that they're not going to take over 10 years to come out with them. ;)

Hard to Believe that Slash is well on his way to having 6 post-Gn'R albums out now.   Good for him.  It's nice to see that he was able to keep active during the last 15 years and continue on with his legacy.

That's why Slash said they started VR because they needed the money back when they first started the band!  ::)

jarmo for VR vocalist.

imagin the fun that could be had on the boards...

Well I'm sorry. I didn't know you were a fan like me and have followed them since the early 90s!

Your posts certainly didn't give that impression.




Of course not.

How non-biased you must be then.





How can you be so sure?


And I believe Slash and Matt are the opposites of what someone like Izzy is. They love fame, attention and everything that comes with it.

To become popular, they'll put up with Scott Weiland for years until they've reached a point where it's not worth it anymore. The record didn't sell as well and they're back playing smaller venues.

They'll claim it's about the music and fans while one of them was a big reason for a canceled Australian tour.


Matt has also said the he was frustrated  because he didn't make as much money (while in GN'R) as Duff and Slash did.

While Slash had this to say in 2005: http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/slash%20keeps%20rocking%20for%20the%20money (http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/slash%20keeps%20rocking%20for%20the%20money)



It's probably more important when you have a record company that expects you to do things from them.

Like I said, I don't think it's the only motivating factor. I think they're downplaying its importance to seem cooler.




There you go again.  How witty. ::)



I think that job is suited for you better. You being the Slash super fan and everything.

I also believe you can deliver lines like "somebody raped my tapeworm abortion" way better than I ever could.

Good luck!  : ok:



/jarmo

Re-form Neurotic Outsiders with Slash. :beer:

End of discussion. : ok:

Jarmo, you make good points.  I don't know where money is really relevant to this topic, since you brought it up.  They will make money with next singer, but scott sacrificed many things for them in their eyes. Mainly their reputation for good live gigs and cancelling shows for scotts personal problems.  At the end of the day, sure, money is there.  But I too believe they are pissed about scott's behavior. 

the guys were taken by surprise when weiland said onstage he left the band.
this statement clarify the situation, VR will continue with a new singer for at least a third album.

the question is *who*. they should organize some kind of online game with suggestions by the fans...
they seems better to find a decent frontman.

i'm curious to read reviews about the Amsterdam show now...  :hihi:

Yes, I brought it up because of the press release claiming otherwise.

Most bands/artists will say the fans are important.

 





That's the problem. Sure Scott has had his share of problems, but to think everything can be blamed on him is naive.

He's not the only guy who made up VR who's been in rehab since they started out.



Reading this section now is like reading about a different band. Suddenly all the admiration for Scott seem to be gone.




/jarmo

Some photos..

http://www.wireimage.com/gallerylisting.asp?navtyp=gls====311103

thanks. i've read Ines review in the other thread, it seems
they played without any references at the situation.

I still like Scott and will support him in STP

I got two great albums of music out of this band and that is awesome!

My personal opinion, but VR have always seemed more like a side project for its members than a unique musical force.  I've enjoyed what they've created as VR, but in the end, I'd rather listen to STP and...other stuff.    :hihi:   I'll be happy to catch Scott in STP again if the opportunity permits.

The news continues to emerge...

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/04/01/velvet-revolver-part-ways-with-scott-weiland-due-to-erratic-onstage-behavior-personal-problems/

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1584599/20080401/velvet_revolver.jhtml

They should change the name..and get a new singer....Ill tell ya right now i didnt buy VR's albums for Scott Weiland or Dave Kusher for that matter......

All I can say or care to contribute to this, is hey maybe now I can come to like VR in the future if they choice someone I care to hear sing. And start writing the songs that parts of this band I know and most know can.. Other than that I can care less on this news. IF they break up completely I hope Slash,  Duff, the rest continue to move on and do the music they are inspired to do by their sheer inspirations, and have that translate to the fans, instead of ..the money issue.

I liked Scott before VR so I'm not gonna slam the guy....when shit doesn't work out, time to move on. No doubt Scott is a handful though. Wonder if the DeLeo Bros really thought this one through?

Glad to hear they made a decision. Looking forward to seeing and hearing what they do now. I quite like Weilands performances on both albums, but I think that VR is bigger than him and can deffinatly continue on with a new guy.

And boy, Jarmo can really kill some threads, esspecially here in the VR section can't he?

Yeah. Never mind those who mention Axl/GN'R and want to discuss Pearl Jam AFTER asking me for an example of a band.


And boy do you choose what to see.

Talk about reading between the lines!  :hihi:



What happened to the gang mentality we were all being sold?

A member of the gang left and most of you are happy about it.

This is the guy who was the greatest front man on the planet a while back and now he's nothing.



It'll be interesting to hear his side....



/jarmo

Gosh the admin of tis board sure hates VR.  Makes me wonder if hes spending far too much time with his employers.

It annoys me how its okay to throw mud at Slash, Duff etc...but its not okay for any negative comments about axl & co.  Ive been told that if Im not a fan of the new gnr I shoudnt be here, ok - but Im also a fan of the things that this band has taught me, and that is having the freedom to say what you want and thats without some arrogant dictator assholes (not refering to anyone in particular) pushing his own ideas on you and making them a fucken law.  DOnt you think if those people were any kind of fans that they would believe that too?

And LMAO @ the money comment - Axl is the king of milking it.  I mean he knew he had to have the name, because he knew thats where the big moneys at!  Hes charging me $200 for a floor ticket!  And he wont allow you to take pictures at concerts because he thinks youll take money away from him. (Although they say he has recently gotten over that, I was talking to some people at the last concert and they were told to hand their cameras over, as Axl "didnt want pictures, and would shop the show if they continued").  

I want to make it clear.  In other forums I hardly dog Axl - I think hes awesome, but whenever I come here it just makes me angry.)

The truth is - if you were a real fan you would love all incarnations of the band - new and old.  And you would respect and love those former band members who had a HUGE hand in making this band what it is today.

You're the one who instigates it:



So don't act suprised when you get a reaction that you're obviously looking for.

Anyway to answer your 'gang mentallity' thing, for me I only care about the music, not the marketing. If he doesn't like his band mates and isn't commited, then it's better he's gone.

Exactly!




Oh, so what song taught you that?


I learned that there's a bunch of people who know nothing and like to act like they do, spreading shit about GN'R. And the band never liked that.

Did you ever hear songs like Get In The Ring or 14 Years?

Your so called freedom is just about that.

See? I can also find meanings in songs to fit "my agenda" too if I really want to.






Well thanks for stopping by.

No need to come back since you're the kind of person we don't need here. You said it yourself.




Hypocrite:

"thats without some arrogant dictator assholes (not refering to anyone in particular) pushing his own ideas on you and making them a fucken law"



And for people who think this is just some poor person who disagrees with me, blackvelvet has had a personal agenda against this site for quite a while.

I don't care if you don't like this site or me, but to come here and start posting this in a completely wrong part is just old. You don't like this place, whatever, leave.




:wave:


/jarmo

Can always count on Jarmo for the "Axl rules and old members suck" comments.  I think all bands do stuff for money.  You know if the old GN'R ever do reunite for some tours you are going to feel so dumb.  I wonder what you will be saying about them then.  Take the is fucking section off the website.

I'm afraid this time we might learn why Matt went to rehab... :no:

Can always count on VR fans making shit up!

I guess they're used to it.... For some weird reason.....




That day, that sorrow.

I guess you'll be feeling dumb until that day....

I prefer to live in the present.  :)



Now, all we need is some personal attacks from lakersaregreat and younggunner and then the whole group has had a go at me!  : ok:


At last some words of wisdom from Matt Sorum, who's not in it for the money, apparently: "I was the most frustrated. I didn't make the money Slash and Duff made with Guns"




/jarmo

You totally got me Jarmo.  Lets just keep bashing every band that isn't GN'R.  Funny thing is I support your idol probably more than you.  However, your so blinded with Axl/New GN'R obsession sometimes it makes it difficult to ever take you seriously.

More insults.

How original.


The funny thing is, I don't compete in the "biggest fan" competition like some of you.


Once again, I post my opinion VR (some of which are based on facts and not just assumptions) and the VR fans make it personal.

Post something negative about VR -> mention Axl/ GN'R + attack the poster

This is the rule for the VR fans here.

They seem to forget that this is a GN'R site with a VR section, not the other way around.



So, the next one who wants to stop posting here, just keep this off topic personal shit up, and I'll take care of it.





/jarmo

can you take that shit to pm maybe?

april 1st is a weird day to announce this. and/but its not on the official vr site yet.

You win!  Sucks that Scott is out but STP tour this summer should be very coo.  I hope they come around Minneapolis.  I think Chris Cornell would be a cool replacement for VR.  Maybe Axl will join VR and have a second band?  That would be weird. Just kidding obviously.

I doubt they'd make a joke about it.

The day makes sense since it was the last show.

Also gave them the chance to speak while Weiland was still "in the band".

You never know what he might say when he's not....




/jarmo

I hate to see Scott go , i have always been a big STP fan. It is a shame. As much as i have always supported those guys i think they should dump the VR name, i cant see anyone else singing a song like 'Fall to Pieces' etc.  I was reading elsewhere of pretty much the same set of names that came to Mates to jam with them while they were looking for a singer (Joe Elliott, Steve Jones, Ian Astbury, Gilby, Dave Grohl, and Izzy of course) to take over lead vocals. I think Duff should just sing if they are gonna go on as VR.

Scott is better off in STP anyways.

Oh Lord help us, please no.

LOL!

Listen to Dark Days if you already haven't his vocals have improved greatly since getting sober. I know alot of people dont like Duff's vocals but i have always thought they were pretty good.  Of course i have always liked the punk vibe. : ok:

oh, tour is over allready? didnt check before. i would have prefered to get such a statement 1-2 days later though.

just found out it appears their cologne show from 3/29/08 now might make it on tv (near) complete now:

Donnerstag auf
Freitag, 02. Mai 2008
0.25 - 3.25 Uhr
im WDR Fernsehen  Rockpalast
22. ROCKNACHT
mit VELVET REVOLVER
GOOD CHARLOTTE
JOLLY GOODS
(Palladium K?ln am 29.03.08)

they had more bands to be on broadcast that night but added another day for that....so good chance to get a longer/complete show as they know show 3 bands within 3 hours without commercial breaks.

April 01

Velvet Revolver founding members Slash, Duff McKagan, Matt Sorum and Dave Kushner announced today that they are parting ways with singer Scott Weiland.

"This band is all about its fans and its music and Scott Weiland isn't 100% committed to either," said Slash. "Among other things, his increasingly erratic on-stage behavior and personal problems have forced us to move on."

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080401006700&newsLang=en

Sanctuary Artist Management
Myman, Abell, Fineman, Greenspan & Light
Jeffrey Light ? Attorney
310-205-5000


R.I.P. VR

HBK *

I don't feel that way.  I've always liked Weiland and thought it was a great concept that he became lead singer.  However, with the way things have gone, this isn't surprising.  I'd rather see VR part ways with Weiland and move on, than to see them totally split up.  I really like having Duff & Slash together, and I don't want to see that partnership end.  Despite how some people might feel about Sorum, I can't see them together without him.  And Dave's great, as well.  I think they have the tenacity to move forward & continue.   

If things were only about the music, then they'd all still be the "gutter rats" they started out as.  If it was only about the music, then, who cares about record contracts?  I mean, that might possibly bring fame and....money.  If it was ONLY about the music, then they'd all be happy still playing little local LA clubs & bars.     

I don't agree.  Classless has been Weiland's antics over the last few months.   So what if STP has announced a tour?  People can do side projects (of a "side project", as some have said).  I think Scott's the one who needs to "save face", here.  He left STP on bad terms, and ended up with VR.  Now he's leaving this band, on bad terms, and going back to STP.  If Scott intended to leave this band, then he should have said so, in the first place, instead of pulling some of the bullshit things he's done, lately.  When you work with a band, in the public eye, the rest of the band deserves better than near fist fights on stage & announcing "last tours" on stage, etc.     

I have a feeling this was a done deal before they even went on this euro tour which would make sense why they weren't happy when scott let it out at the show in glasgow. Who knows though?
On the topic of being motivated by money, I don't believe that is slash's motivation, matt, probabaly so. With Slash, he gets asked to do alot of things and yah he agrees and of course he gets payed, but one thing you have ALWAYS heard slash say is that he needs to keep himslef busy or he'll get himself in trouble. So yah of course he's gonna like the money, who wouldn't? But I don't think it's his motivation for doing all of these things, I think it's more so, that hey, it's something to do with his time.

While I agree with Falcon that it was sort of a classless move, it needed to be done.

Also, in rock n' roll circles, when you mention the name Scott Weiland, classless is probably the first adjective that comes to mind.  He's been puling shit like that ever since he got into the music business, so it's not like it's a total surprise.

Exactly.  And it was by far a classless move when compared with other shit that has gone on.  You're right - needed to be done. 

I wonder how long it will take for Scott to respond to this one, it should be interesting, seeing as how he has a tendency to respond in a much harsher way than the actual message he was replying to. I'm not to bothered that Scott left, sure its a pity, but he was kind of the weak link lately. And when you're frontman is the weak link, you're in a pretty fucked position as a band.

I wonder who the new singer will be, it would be pretty cool if Donovan Leitch (Jr) would be the new singer, one can hope. As long as they don't get another singer with x-amount of rehab stints, jail time etc...one who actually seemes to give a shit would be nice.

When Slash does something for the money he does it for the fans to at the same time! And he get's more fans out of it also, that is why it's all about the fans and the music. As a fan I want to see more of my stars. I don't think he would play gigs like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-4T_0ETcFc&feature=related if it wasn't for the fans. He loves the atention and he needs the money. That's what I think.

In a perfect world, without Scott around I wish they would dump the name. For better or worse, Scott and Slash were the signature sound of the band, and you take one away and it will seem kind of hollow listening to someone sing Scott's stuff every night under the guise of being VR. I would feel the same way if it were Slash that left and the other 4 carried on even if they found someone who could play his stuff note for note. There is an intangible aspect to the dynamic between the 5 of them that made them VR, and take away a corner stone piece of that and they are really carrying on in name only.

That being said, the reality of the situation is that at their age the odds of them being able to form yet another band with a new name that will be a completely unknown brand name to the general public, without a record deal, and hope to have mainstream success is slim to none. They all had famous pedigrees, but it took years(and still alot to go) to build VR into a brand that people could identify as its own entity without the benefit of the back story of who made up the band and their respective pasts. Time is not on their side, and to start from scratch realistically is not a viable option. At least there is some brand equity in the VR name that they can use to try and make a go with a new singer that they wouldn't have without out it.  

The other issue I suspect is the recording contract. They owe them another album, and while I am sure the label would gladly let them walk from it from the band's standpoint it is probably a better deal at this point than they could get on their own as a new entity. It would hardly be unprecedented in the music world for an artist to keep a name alive because of the benefit the existing recording contract offers vs. what they would most likely be looking at as the exact same ensemble trying to get a deal under an unknown name. From a business standpoint that absolutely has to be considered if you're an artist in a position to make that choice.

If they were 5-10 years younger they could probably have started over and hoped to achieve comparable success to what VR attained, but given their situation now starting over would kill any hopes at maintaining or regaining what little relavancy they have left. At this age they are starting to enter into that nostalgia stage of their career where people become are more interested in reliving your past glories than they are soaking in newer offerings.

Without the VR name they may as well go hire a singer to be a glorified tribute band and play 80% of their old material with a few new ones sprinkled in every night in the vein of Roger Waters when he played Dark Side of the Moon straight through and milked the Floyd cow on his last couple of tours. Frankly their would probably be more interest in that type of scenario right now than any new VR offerings. With the right singer they could probably do the exact same thing and play the famous album associated with them straight through and they would probably fill bigger venues than they can now as there is a market for that stuff.

Roger sold out practically everywhere he played without David Gilmour's vocals just for the experience of seeing and hearing him play that stuff after all this time given the legend of the album and the band.  Slash and them might be well served to consider something like that as there is a market for it based on certain songs at VR shows getting the biggest response every night. They could probably sell alot of tickets under those circumstances just for the novelty of seeing him play that stuff again, particularly if it was marketed right the way Roger Waters tours were. They can release a billion more VR albums and they will never get out from underneath their past accomplishments, so maybe they should start to embrace that reality and use it to their advantage.

So funny this all. Scott always had these antics and it was no problem... but now the album TANKED, it was a huge flop on all fronts and boom, they are backstabbing each other. Why didn't they all go and do some kungfu schwengshu on a mountain in Tibet like before to solve stuff, roflcopter : ok:

The problem with VR isn't the singer's antics though... it is the lack of quality in the muzak they come up with since they left GnR (Slash/Duff)... doesn't even come close to that.

So it doesn't matter if they get a new singer, it will still be mediocre pose-rock  :peace:

Beam me up Scotty...   :rofl:

Damn, who will the next one be?

yeah.  I thought slash, duff and matt were fighting themselves not too sound too much like their old sound w/ gnr; but gnr don't sound like that anymore either :'(

Good point.

Scott's issues were no issue when Contraband was selling, they were playing arenas and winning awards.


To anybody who's upset about me bringing up the money issue. Something to think about, things Slash  and VR have done in the past few years: Mastercard ad, VW ad, canceled shows in Europe due to them not being money makers, saving money while recording Contraband which meant the music suffered, sued real estate agent for money lost etc.....




/jarmo

To anyone who?s interested, I met Duff, Slash and Dave this morning on the airport. I told them I really wished this project to go on to which Duff smiled and said: "don?t worry, we will".  :)

Well I'm happy Weiland is out, he and his one octave voice.

I hope that this time around the guys get someone who has the range and the talent, if they keep the name it's going to be a bit more difficult to get back to the spotlight, but few bands have succeeded and I for one, can't imagine Maiden with out Bruce.

My bigget problem with the albums were Scott's vocals, some of the songs are more than good and couple are even great but it gets tiresome, I can't listen those two albums in a row, on the second album I'm not even sure when a song changes, sounds too similar.

Also I don't think that Scott really pushed their music forward and to the next level, like that one red headed guy we know. These guys, specially Slash needs someone who has the balls to say

"Sounds cool but I think we could work on that a little bit more"

But I wish my best to VR and hope that their next album will be great

No real suprise to hear this....

It's a shame too, as Libertad saw the band really gell...I was hoping for album #3....

Does Slash have Perry Ferrell's number?

But do they have their own brand of scented candles?  :peace:

I'm basically an "Axl" guy...

But that being said, the world definitely needs Slash, Duff and Matt out there making records, touring and rockin' hard. I hope they get this shit squared away ASAP and end up with a great lead singer a little more compatible with their backgrounds and talents.

Good luck to VR. :peace:

Wanted: Singer for a rock n' motherfucking roll band. Inspired by Steven Tyler, Mick Jagger. Note: Don't try to steal the spotlight from our drummer and be aware of who the real stars in the band are.




/jarmo

Well, i for one am really happy Scott is out. He was the one thing that stopped me from being a fan in the first place. When the rumors were of Josh Todd or Bach singing for this new group that is now Velvet Revolver, I was excited. Then I heard the name Scott Weiland.....eh......so hopefully, they find someone who can actually sing, and maybe I'll give this band a chance.

jarmo

I mentioned this in another thread...but wonder what you think:

Don't you find it "interesting" that both sides in this seem to be reliving the same experiences, with minor differences, over and over again.

The "Ex Gunners" can't find a lead singer that can stay with them.

Scott can't find a band that can put up with him.

Don't get me wrong, I LIKE VR.  Bought both albums (BOUGHT THEM, mind you, didn't download them).  Went to see them up in Amherst, MA, and again in Bridgeport, CT.  I think the Ex-Gunners are VERY talented, when they're on their game and not being lazy, and I think Scott is a GREAT vocalist (if not an inspired lyricist).  I genuinely LIKE VR's music.

But you have to look at what's happened and wonder why this all feels a lot like deja vu.

One word: egos.

Most of them got them.

Mix it up with greed and you got a nice cocktail.


Snakepit was proof that Slash himself couldn't carry a band on his shoulders. So he teams up with a famous guy, with known issues, hoping to make it big again. And now blames that guy and those issues for the problems?

Working with somebody who's famous in his/her own right doesn't seem to work for these guys, but can they get an unknown Rod Jackson type of guy and still make it?

Somebody who's never been there before. Somebody who's not used to being at that level, you know, not just a bar band?





/jarmo

I think there's a fair amount of truth in that.  You just have to wonder that if WE can all see it...why can't they?  IMHO, they're never going to find a real frontman until they can check their egos, at least a little bit, and learn to co-exist....try to be a BAND....and not try to have 5 different generals all trying to steer the boat in different directions.  If there was ONE thing about VR's music that I found fault with, it was the cohesion.  And simply finding a "lead singer" wet noodle, who will just go with the flow of the band, isn't going to cut it, IMHO.  The Ex-Gunners seem to be at their best when being pushed a little, from the outside....inspired, as it were.

 It's also not like they didn't know going in Wieland's rep...and that it was a well deserved one.

Again, I think Wieland can have the same sort of "charges" laid at his feet, along with some others...it's not ALL Slash/Duff/Matt's fault.....and again, I go back to the fact this keeps happening to BOTH sides of this issue.  Wieland keeps having bands abandon him, and Slash/Duff/Matt just can't seem to keep a lead singer around for more than a couple of albums.

This was just about a month ago...obviously something changed. :-\

SLASH: 'We Are Always There' For SCOTT WEILAND 'If He Needs Support' - Feb. 28, 2008

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=91852

Yeah, I guess Scott quit the band in March....




/jarmo

ya know, that's probably the funniest thing i've seen you say.

Scott - frying pan
Perry - fire

Not a good fit

I'm wondering if the VR fans will start referring to the band that exists from today as "new-VR"?




/jarmo

I have to admit to thinking, slyly, the exact same thing when this started to come out.

But I wasn't gonna say it.....

Irony...too funny.

GN'R was a legendary act that over took the world of rock whlle they were around. VR...was not. People have a hard time dealing with the whole situation of the name Guns N' Roses, so I can only imagine that's why the new-GN'R thing came to terms.

This is ridiculous! The vultures are closing in! VR will always be VR and not 'new-VR' or 'nu-VR' even if there is only Slash finally left twanging on strings. I don't know why you people even bother posting in this section?

Now, either get on board or go have a Dr. Pepper. :rant:

What is a purist VR fan?  Either you are on board or fuck off. 

Guys, it's called sarcasm.

And you can be a VR fan (I count myself as one) and still see the irony and double standard, here.

When I thought it...it was more of the niggling little smart ass in the back of my brain cracking wise....because you HAVE to see the similarities that the Ex-Gunners are facing AGAIN.

Oh, and I want to get on board AND have a Dr. Pepper.  Why do I have to choose?

Im glad weiland is gone, finally.

I've never liked VR, but I still find it odd that some people take such a perverse pleasure in other people's disappointment.

(Gasp) You think? ;)

I'm dissappointed in this. I liked Weiland and think he fit well with these guys. The sound was good. I enjoyed both their albums immensley. Though unlike many I felt their sophmore album was much better than their freshman. I hope they stay together and get a singer that can fit their sound. It wont be the same sound without Weiland but I would still be interested in hearing it.

I am also looking forward to STP touring. I am fan of them.  : ok: :smoking:

Not unless I'm forced to.

It usually hurts too much.

They had added the press release under "news" on the official VR website...I guess they will have to update the website. :D

04.01.08
Velvet Revolver To Part Ways With Singer
Velvet Revolver founding members Slash, Duff McKagan, Matt Sorum and Dave Kushner announced today that they are parting ways with singer Scott Weiland. "This band is all about its fans and its music and Scott Weiland isn't 100% committed to either,? said Slash. "Among other things, his increasingly erratic on-stage behavior and personal problems have forced us to move on."

Please Contact:
Jeffrey Light ? Attorney
Myman, Abell, Fineman, Greenspan & Light

Sanctuary Artist Management: 310-205-5000

Excelente new, as fan as Guns n' Roses/Velvet Revolver since 16 years I feel happy about this new, VR deserves a real frontman.

Yes, I brought it up because of the press release claiming otherwise.

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the press release didnt claim otherwise, for it claim otherwise it would have said "this band isnt about the money"

all it mentioned was 2 things the band believed in, theres probably a million more and money probably is one, but it didnt claim otherwise, it didnt even mention money


anyway, any band that signs a record deal does it for the money, it might not have started out for the money but theyr always happy to take it

I thought "all about" means it's pretty much only about the things listed.



/jarmo

Just to put into perspective where this news fits into the current state of pop culture, below are the current headlines in MSN's Entertainment section that are apparently more newsworthy:

Report: Beyonc? gets marriage license

'High School Musical 3' starts filming

See who got the boot on 'Dancing'

Robert Downey Jr. on the set of 'Iron Man'

Photos: Michael Jackson's many looks

How did 'Idol' singers handle country tunes?

Oprah dedicates show to her late dog

Tyler Perry story generates reader response

Gossip: Jamie Lynn's T-shirt text tease

Roger Ebert to return to writing film reviews

Well it was the main news on the home page of Rollingstone.com which is an actual music site. (well suppposedly anyways)

I know that we live in youth-obsessed times but I don't believe that you can apply that to all artists.  Take Neil Diamond, for instance, he made a superb album (12 Songs) with Rick Rubin a few years ago: an album that was not only a commercial success but also won widespread critical acclaim for recapturing the essence of his original spirit.  (Incidentally, he signed with Azoff and Gould last May after a period without management.)  Of course, it takes courage, creativity, determination and a lot of hard work in order to achieve something like this and, to be honest, I'm not convinced that Slash would be willing to put the effort in.

Time will tell, I suppose, whether he aspires to this or whether he will opt for the easier option you detail below.


Nevertheless, I don't think that they would be filling bigger venues though just because of a different singer - although I guess it would depend on who it was.  I think that here in the UK, at least, the ex-GNR members were the main attraction and so the most lucrative option for them would be to continue emphasising that link.


Mmm, you really do seem to be writing them off as a spent creative force here and, as much as I doubt their drive to try and better their ealier work, I don't know if they'd be ready to accept this very second-rate option.

You know that's funny, I know another band with only 1 original member and you vr fans can't seem to accept that it is still the band it's always been despite member changes. But if it was slash as the only original member that would be ok. That's called being a hypocrite!

Or.. the opportunity just to play music they love playing? ???

It does appear that Weiland announced that he was leaving the band and then they issue a press release saying the founding members were "parting ways" with Weiland (a.k.a. Singer). :D

I think this really sucks..i really enjoyed this band  :-[ i was hoping they would patch things up but i guess its not to be :'(

Everyone knows who THE best replacement would be.......................

Band - "a company of persons or, sometimes, animals or things, joined, acting, or functioning together; aggregation; party; troop: a band of protesters. "

So ... while it IS a band ... and you're right to a degree ... it's not "the band it's always been" ... the "despite member changes" you mention, actually solidifies that it indeed is NOT the band it's always been :)

One or two members ... hmm, sure .... ALL but one?  Sorry man.  That makes it an entirely new band :)

Now that I've cleared that up for you ... STOP MAKING IT ABOUT GNR! ;)

Sure, but you need money to be able to securely play the music you wanna play without having to get day jobs or worry about your savings being sucked away.

Record deals or publishing deals are essential to keeping a band successful.

They should take their time finding a new singer. Do some solo projects, etc - take a breather from VR and come back refreshed and energized as A BAND. I'm sure no one is really happy at the moment  (except maybe Scott, but he'll be depressed tomorrow, then happy again later in the day, then ........)   :hihi:

He's had a bad week and it might get worse...he has his pretrial hearing this Friday. :-\

Some people on this forum are so uptight they can't understand a joke when they read it. Now who could these people be? Any guesses?

Agreed! 

mmmm....no...ha ha.  I wouldn't.  We're talking, if VR does go on with a new front man, it's 4 originals with 1 replacement.  I can see the "new" thought that some might have when you have the opposite, a few times over, entire band replaced and one original.  There will be old/new comparisons.  And who knows?  Maybe that could happen, here, too.  I see the humor some of you are getting at, and why.  Still had to comment.         

i doubt it, no one said "new gnr" when steven left did they? or even when izzy left

^^actually after izzy leaving and gnr adding the circus (teddy, horn section, background singers) in 91/92 i did write "new gnr" on my unoffical vhs. and then later for me it turned more weird with the 2001/2002 bootlegs (V #3, V #4,...??) (http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6636/headscratchhw0.gif) (http://imageshack.us)

but back to the topic: in music business there are always surprises, and though its absolutley unlikely to happen there still is a possibility with Baz and VR.....the phonecall Baz talking about "which just changed my life" is something hmmmm (and we still dont know what it was about). like i cant see Baz touring with Poison this summer being that big life changing, fronting VR would be! but so would be a whole Baz/GN'R european tour or Baz getting father again  :peace:

Didnt Rolling stone mention once, that if the creative force remains, then they have the right to the original name.
So if Scott wrote most of the songs, then they would have to be called 'Velvet revolver With Sebastiian Bach' for example.

^^but at least for the 1st album the music pre-existed when Scott came in. he mostly only re-arranged (parts of) it and added lyrics.

Oh you still want to discuss how money isn't motivating them yet you disregarded what I've said?

I guess it's much more fun when you don't have to pay attention to something stupid like examples/facts and can concentrate on saying "they're not motivated by money" time after time.


Matt who was frustrated since he didn't make as much money from GN'R as Duff and Matt. Slash who has made VW and Mastercard commercials, admitted to moving to another studio in order to save money on recording which meant the result suffered, admitted that they canceled shows because they weren't making any money on them, sued people because he lost money on a house and whatever else.

Clearly it's all about the music and fans for these people.




/jarmo

not the drug addiction itself but the real intensivity of it Slash managed somehow to hide many many years until he himself revealed it in his book. i've never ever thought he was such a junkie when seeing him all over tvs and magazines doing interviews and photos and business during the illusion era now knowing he was kinda "hard"drugged daily. nevertheless he still managed to take care of such a big band back then and did very fine, surprising in a way!
but along with a lot other statements over the years covering "the truth he wants the public to know" it appears that he also has some hard psychical addiction: 1. staying in the public eye, 2. looking cool in public hiding some important parts of the truth.

these 2 basic reasons lead to comments he regular does which could be headlines in newspapers and/or are headlines in internet news - and are covered by the main public in a positive -or if negative, still publicitywise-working- way. and money is all in between. the closer crew and people knowing more about him -as many people also do in this forum- are somehow aware of these issues and know its mostly mainly about his image and money. he still takes care of lots of business off course. let me also mention that getting out of the biggest Rock N' Roll band is an unbelievable thing to deal with, his whole life was dedicated to that band! the old band success and break up surely had a huge influence on their personalities, something nobody ever can really imagine its extent at all.

and these words come from a Slash fan.

scott's announcement on stage??

I can see both points.  Obviously 4 is greater than 1, BUT I think most people would agree that the voice is what signifies a band.  It's easier to re-create the music than it is the voice.  Obviously there are plenty of examples out there of bands that have had success with multiple singers but there's a reason people referred to the Hagar edition of VH as Van Hagar.

Anyway, with that being said, and not to diminish VR's accomplishments BUT, I don't think they set a standard that can't be topped.  In other words the incarnation that just broke up didn't exactly set the world on fire so I think the argument that it's not really VR without it's original lead singer wouldn't hold as much water.  Someone could step in, who I don't know.  Not sure what songs from their catalog they would carry over, I have a feeling they'd scrap a good number of them and they probably wouldn't play any STP songs in the future either.

8 is greater than 4. :P

and a million is greater the 8 :P

I think in a way its both. I believe they want to make money from it, but they also enjoy the process. They have commitments of their own to do. We have no idea what their contracts state or how much money goes to promotion of concerts. In the end it is their job to make money for themselves, their record company, their concert promoters and everything else they have to pay for. I dont blame them for canceling concerts for monetary reasons. There are things out of their control as much as there are things we will not understand.

In the end, I believe they enjoy making music. I thought they made good music. I like to think they make music for themselves and their fans. But I do think most muscians think of themselves, contracts, family, bills, and other personal agendas before thinking of fans. I don't believe their single motivation was monetary but maybe being a fan of their music clouds my judgement. I think their motivation was the love of making music and the love of making money.  :smoking:

From Matt Sorums website...

04.06.08

Hey Guys,
Someone sent me the pic below on my myspace page. pretty funny, this was Scotts pic for new singer. Anyway good to be back home. Been hanging At my new store. Biz is good selling lots of stuff, please come by if in the area. Will be offering shirts i can sign if I?m around if you can?t afford the leather and stuff. Also will have e-commerce very soon on Sorumnoce. But for now look at the site and email info@sorumnoce and my partner Max can hook u up and get u prices send the stuff fedex or whatever. On a VR note will be getting in the studio tuesday to jam we are not wasting any time on the band. Want to get Rockin?
Lets do It and Kick some ASS
Matt

Photo: http://www.mattsorum.tv/channel/2008/04/06/hahaha-bazzz-sorumnoce-full-tilt-boogie/

(http://www.mattsorum.tv/channel/wp-photos/20080406-081906-1.jpg)


haha best pic ever!!  :rofl:

 :rofl:

Savage Animal is destined to be the title of VR's 3rd album! ;D

Firing Weiland is the best thing for Velvet Revolver.

I don't want the band continue. Duff must reunite Loaded (in fact, he did) , Slash must release his solo album and Matt...Matt...well, Matt must design clothes!

haha I made that.

probably will ::)
how do you differentiate VH with DLR or SH? Same band, totally different sound/singer

ahh! congrats! really well done!  :D

That all depends who says it.

If it's some guy who goes out and openly cheats on his wife and doesn't give a fuck about his children, maybe you wouldn't agree that the statement had much merit. :)




I pointed out to you how often they are about the money and that's why I reacted about the quote in question.


It's all about the image.

Maybe you can tell all the VR fans in places like Portugal, Spain, France or Australia about how much VR cares for them? Some of these places only saw the band play live in 2004 and had shows canceled because they weren't money makers.....

But it's all about the fans and music. Even if the music suffers because you need to save some money while making it.....  ;)





/jarmo

I think VR cares as much for the fans as just any other band.

Exactly! I think some people are naiive about how much pressure is put on any sort of artist (music/art or dance) to make money for the "powers that be". they have the power to pull the plug on a tour without a second thought if it's looking as if it's loosing money. I work in the theatre world and have booked many artists over the years, and having done all the marketing and sold tickets, been told that it's been cancelled as it's not "financially viable". the artists themselves have been gutted at being unable to perform, but in these days of corporate business its they who call the shots and not the likes of Duff and Slash.  And unfortunately you can't afford to piss those powers off, because the chance of you releasing anything with any sort of backing in the future are slim.

me too.

They're not exactly The Clash are they? ;)



/jarmo

What a pointless post.

You're taking every single quote you read to the extreme.  You think other bands care soooo much about the fans?  Not all bands are as communicative with their fans as VR ... I think VR does care about it's fans, and I think they enjoy making music.  I'd love to make music for a living...  I think you have to stop being so narrow minded and naive about a band's need to make money.   If these guys had day jobs and were just some unsigned band, they'd not create as much music ... they'd not be as tight live (they're fucking tight) ... they'd spend only a few hours a week dedicated to the band.

Jarmo,
Imagine if your favorite musician, or band... whoever that may be ... were actually unsigned.  You'd hear very little output from them, and they'd not have as much ability to create quality sounding albums.

Let's imagine your favorite artist is Guns N' Roses ... just imagine ...

:)  If they were unsigned, or didn't make any money, they'd not have been able to create epic sounding albums like Use Your Illusion ... November Rain would have been a damn site less intense ... and by Axl's previous statements about the song, I doubt he'd have even bothered recording it if he didn't have the ability to make it epic etc.

VR is the same.  They need to make money so they can afford the luxury of continuing to tour etc.  Imagine tour costs ... crew... engineers ... gear rental... lighting ... etc.  All this stuff costs a fuck load of money.  You're absolutely off your fucking trolley if you think they don't need to care about the money.

:)  Now ... stop being so silly ;)

I am taking everything to extremes? You're the one who thinks they're not motivated by money at all and even after I showed you some quotes that say otherwise, you just ignored them.


But that was pretty much expected.  :)



/jarmo

Stop blatantly lying in front of this whole forum .... Yes ... you ... lying.

I said they DO care about money!!!  In my fucking previous post ...

I even gave you a fucking long explanation as to why any band worth their salt DOES care and HAS to care!

Jeez, why do you have to lie so much.  You just fucking ignored my post.

I said MOTIVATED, not CARED.

It's not always easy keeping track of your posts:



You think these guys are putting the music and fans first? I don't.

I don't think they care about the fans if theres no money in it.


You don't do Mastercard or VW ads for the music and fans do you?




Funny how a Slash fan gets upset about me apparently lying. Yet Slash has never upset you.... Weird.



/jarmo

LOL... Slash is not VR.  Slash can do what he likes outside of VR.  Fucking hell Jarmo ...  do you focus every single last drop of your energy into this site?  Do you ignore everything else in your life?  Do you have a job?  I fucking hope not ... or you're obviously motivated by other things and not the forum. 

Fucking stupid.  Either you have a bad use of the English language and it's meanings, or you're simply acting the idiot for the sake of pissing people off.

I suspect the latter.

I don't personally care what Slash does to make extra cash.  He's got a family and therefore a bloodline to look after.  He wants his kids and then their kids to be well off and never have to worry.  Any parent will want the same in that position.  Yes... he SHOULD use the VW or Mastercard ads to make money ... but for the music side of things ... it's also called 'promotion' ... he's promoting himself, so people are aware of him and his music.  Sounds like fucking good business sense to me.

I draw websites and cartoons for a living ... I LOVE what I do ... but fuck me if I don't have to make money.  I do this for the money ... otherwise it'd just be my hobby.  But just because I make money out of it and do it for that reason (as WELL as the love of it), doesn't mean I don't enjoy my work or love doing it.

Slash and co do it because they love it ... OR, they'd just write music and sell the publishing rights to other bands.  'Written by Slash' would go a long way in publishing rights for other artists.  You've never been on stage in front of a crowd and played music I suspect ... if you had, you'd not even be having this argument.

When you understand business and the need to finance your career.... come back and apologize to everyone for your childish behavior.

If I feel like I did something wrong I will.

But I suspect you're not gonna apologize for the insults and personal attacks or the fact that you come across as a stuck up know it all.

 :)


Slash isn't VR? Really?

You're the one who broke it down to being about Slash, Duff and Matt in your quote.


You think they're not motivated by money at all, I disagree. Who's wrong?

Just because you own the same gear as Slash doesn't mean you know him personally.





/jarmo

I don't own the same gear as Slash :)

And yes, you're wrong :)

I'm glad you are so convinced.

Don't want to be responsible for your shattered illusions.  : ok:


/jarmo

You do realise that you're as wrong or right about this as I am in reality.  So you talking about shattered illusions is rather funny.  It could swing both ways.  That said ... if Slash declared himself in it for the cash tommorow ... but still released more cool music (since ... as much as you hate VR's music. ... others love it ...) ... I really couldn't care less!

So it'd never shatter my illusions.  I don't care :)  I just care about them putting on a good show (which they did ...) and putting out good records (which they have) ....

:)

Fair enough. You don't care about the statements, law suits, TV commercials, lies and whatever else.

I comment on things that I don't agree with.





/jarmo

That's fine ... but you don't really know the ins and outs of the lawsuits etc ... so you're as blind as the rest of us in regards to these issues.

The ONLY thing that fucks me off ... and I'll be honest ... I don't mind that you don't like VR.. hell, I hate Pantera for instance ... but lots of people like them.  What I get fucked off about is the fact that you often speak as if what you say is pure fact.  And sorry man ... but you do not know the facts ... you know what you read in the press.

It's not always that simple.

Sometimes I read in the press two things that are the opposites and they're said by the same person.


And then there are cases when you read that he sold his house for less than what he paid, followed by a lawsuit which claims they suffered loss of appetite among other things.

Or hearing him go on about how he lost his luggage with all his "expensive jewelry" and then finding out he lied.

Sorry if I find stuff like that a bit uncool.



/jarmo

So you care about what's cool?

Your haircut ain't exactly cool, but is that really an issue?  Why do you give a flying fucking shit about Slash's lawsuits?  That's his business.  Not yours ... Not anyone elses.  Yet you use these things as a reason to hate the guy.

Dude ... Axl fucking took advantage of the old bandmembers and forced them into handing over the GnR name ... but you seem to hate Slash for stuff that's nothing to do with the band ... yet love Axl ... almost praise him for what he did.  How ?  That was the most uncool thing he could have done.

Come on ... for fuck sake ... if you're going to slag them for the music ... fine ... or even stuff related to the band's business etc ... fine ... but bringing stuff up about his fucking luggage or house ?  You really are scraping around for as much hate as you can find.  And it's damn embarrassing.

Where, in Portugal, Spain, France and Australia?

I'm sure all those fans are super happy.

:)

How many times have Axl fans been fucked off because he didn't turn up to a show etc?  At least VR cancelled before the night ;)

Stop pulling shit out of your ass for no reason.

Not as many as you'd care to think.

And he's gone back and played those places.

It's not likely to happen with VR is it?

Yeah, being a liar is uncool in my book.  : ok:





Oh damn. :(



These things are public knowledge.

Since when am I not allowed to comment?

If you keep saying stuff in interviews to portray yourself in a certain way, but we know what you're doing "behind the scenes", it's not that weird that some people react.




Changing the subject are we?





What's embarrassing is you having a breakdown in front of the computer.....

On top of that, you're a Matt Sorum fan.  ;)




/jarmo

I don't think fans in philly would say that.

I am! I went to Amsterdam instead!  ;)

If you think I'm having a breakdown, you have much to learn young sir.

Btw ... Matt Sorum has more talent than you'll ever have ... so again ... why the hate?  Jealous of his success?

And talking about me changing the subject? lol ... dude ... you're the king of it.  And I'm not the only person saying that.  So many people here know how you work.  You simply choose to ignore everything that doesn't directly relate to your own point.

But hey ... It's fine :)

You should know by now that arguing with you is pretty easy... and doesn't cause me to break down ... only to laugh :)

Well, bad day then?

Or are you suffering from Tourette's?

These outbursts of personal attacks sure seem out of place.





Good for him. I didn't know we were in a competition.

Jealousy is something that other people can waste their energy on.






I've been talking about VR and its members while you're busy pointing fingers at me and Axl.

Is this section about me or Axl? No.

So, any comment on that?


Many people know how I work? I think what you mean is, so many people think they know how I work based on some posts.





Must be exciting to be you.  :)



Talking of knowing how people work. It's always interesting to see that a few people "who know how I work" tend to have to turn into insults when discussing things with me.

It goes from being about what Slash, or some other VR member has said/done into being about me. Isn't that weird?

It's like if we were talking about Slash's guitar playing and I started saying "Well Dave, you're not nearly as good as Slash so why do you post here? Your hair is uncool and you're trying to be like Slash so badly that it's embarrassing. You play guitar and draw. Do you own snakes and a top hat too?"




/jarmo

Wow, some people never take the high road...EVER..... :no:

Every single word I post on here means nothing in the grand scheme of things ... and everything Jarmo writes is pointless in the grand scheme of things here too.

Jarmo thinks I'm an idiot, and I think he is ... but I'm sure we'll both agree, that these are merely internet posts and not a genuine indication of our real personalities.  The internet is a wonderful argument tool.

I actually suspect that Jarmo and myself could probably happily sit face to face and have a civilized chat and drink together... it's all good.  Arguments are what makes forums fun.  :)

In reality, outside of the internet, I have no personal hatred for Jarmo :)

The last time i visited this forum has got to be a good 2-3 years min - I come back to have a quick check on things and yet i see the same people arguing over the same petty things as when i stopped posting. Dont you get bored of it after like 5 years? Some of us prefer the Ex-Gunners some of us prefer Axl - really its that simple - get over it. All these quasi debates when thats really what it all boils down too.

Linekar ... you're right ...

but there's not exactly a lot to talk about in the GnR world!  And this VR section isn't the main forum :)

lol

Still ... as I said above ... it's all interwebs ... not real :)

All bands care for the fans when its convenient for their wallets.


Yeah, if Scott is replaced, it won't be VR to me.

some members are replaceable but to me u cant replace a frontman *very rarely can it be done* or a lead guitarist or just a very important member.

But ... people were more excited BEFORE Scott arrived ... so let's hope this is a good change :)  I doubt they'll go for an unstable singer again after having two major pains in the ass in the past ...

tee - hee :)

Yeah that stripper girl guy was a real pain in the ass wasn't he?  ;D

From an interview with Sebastian Bach (posted on MySpace) from March 24 2008.... :-\

Asif:  Very nice man. Alright, last one. Wendy from Cornelius, NC asks, "You collaborated with Axl Rose on three tracks on the new album.  Is there anyone else you would like to collaborate with that you haven't worked with yet or someone you have worked with in the past that you'd like to work with again?"

Sebastian:  Yeah! There is a lot. I would love to collaborate with the guys from Aerosmith or maybe Michael Anthony from Van Halen or maybe Slash. I was actually just supposed to record some music with Sly Stone from Sly & the Family Stone ? which I know is out of left field.

http://www.rockinmusicreviews.com/interviews2/sebastianbach20080324.html

..... hmm hinted at some jam sessions? Who knows Seb could be the middle man that brings Axl and Slash to good terms again..

There was no hint of jam sessions there ...

He does mention the tour he's doing ... but that's the Poison one isn't it...?

:)

Scott was quite fast huh? ::)


(http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/7/7/7/8/20188777-20188778-slarge.jpg)

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/04/08/stone-temple-pilots-announce-tour-plans-for-new-album/ 


also here http://www.nme.com/news/stone-temple-pilots/35738

^^With a 65 city tour and recording a new album in November, it seems pretty clear that Weiland was not coming back to VR after the tour ended...who parted ways with who.  ;D

In the May issue of Revolver Magazine it say...

ON HIATUS, VELVET REVOLVER DRUMMER PLAYS DRESS-UP

Velvet Revolver will be cooling their collective heels for most of this year...

http://www.mattsorum.tv/channel/2008/04/08/article-in-revolver-magazine/

matt said they are in the studio today

this article was obviously before the split...as they mention scott as being a member...

I was thinking the same thing but, if this is true...

from Slash

This is something that?s been coming down for a while. I know everybody is tying the STP [STONE TEMPLE PILOTS reunion tour] thing to it, but it started way before that. We just had a lot of commitments to fulfill, so we just had to drag this thing out until the obligations were finished.

They knew for some time that they would "part ways" with Weiland once the tour was done?

From an interview with Scott Weiland Chicago Tribune April 8, 2008...

Q.What happened with Velvet Revolver?

Weiland: This happened very organically. It wasn?t people trying to angle and beg. It just happened the way it sort of happened. I got a call from Dean. I was on tour. He said, ??Man, are you sitting down??? I said yeah. He said, ??I was talking with our agent, and some offers came through.?? We?d all been starting to talk more often. I had talked to Slash, mentioned it to him, and things were cool for a while. And this last tour, things just disintegrated really badly. I just came to the point where I decided that ... if I?m going to commit the next 10 years of my life to touring ... then I want to do it with people I want to make music with. People who I get inspired by making music with. ...I have to start weeding out stuff. It?s kind of like going through your closet going, ??Eh, I don?t need this anymore. It takes up too much space.?? Certain things don?t feel good, although it may put money in your bank account, but it doesn?t feel good at the end of the day. It became one of those situations.

This feels good, it feels right. It?s always inspiring. It?s always that high.

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/music/poprock/883949,pilotsqa040808.article

‘‘Eh, I don’t need this anymore. It takes up too much space.’’

what a great anology Scott, the poet!  : ok:

Not to rip on Axl but can you please tell me the last time he played Philly?  It sure as hell wasn't after he no-showed.....and I was at the show

Pathetic.

Maybe playing places where the "fans" destroy your equipment isn't a high priority.

Maybe the fucking promoter doesn't want to risk anything and doesn't wanna book a show there thanks to these fans?





/jarmo

Thanks for fixing the grammar.




/jarmo

Since grammar is being discussed:

This is the language of a pompously arrogant asshole.

This happened very organically. It wasn?t people trying to angle and beg. It just happened the way it sort of happened. I got a call from Dean. I was on tour. He said, ??Man, are you sitting down??? I said yeah. He said, ??I was talking with our agent, and some offers came through.?? We?d all been starting to talk more often. I had talked to Slash, mentioned it to him, and things were cool for a while. And this last tour, things just disintegrated really badly. I just came to the point where I decided that ... if I?m going to commit the next 10 years of my life to touring ... then I want to do it with people I want to make music with. People who I get inspired by making music with. ...I have to start weeding out stuff. It?s kind of like going through your closet going, ??Eh, I don?t need this anymore. It takes up too much space.?? Certain things don?t feel good, although it may put money in your bank account, but it doesn?t feel good at the end of the day. It became one of those situations.

So u are trying to say its the fans fault? No band in particular, but just any band.

I dont agree with fans rioting and all that but we can't totally relieve the band of any accountability.

I'm saying, maybe theres a reason or reasons that has nothing to do with the band?


Once again, the VR fans have done it.

 : ok:



/jarmo

Yeah.  Like I said in another section, he kind of said similar things about STP, when he first left, and said similar positive things about VR, when he first started with them.    I've liked Scott for a long time, way before VR, but I've lost a lot of respect for him in the last several months.     

what the fuck are you talking about?  This is Philly, not St louis

And you guarantee no damage was done to the band's own, or any of the equipment they had rented for the tour?




/jarmo

From 411mania.com

2. Firing Scott Weiland was a good move on Velvet Revolver's part that will give the band a new lease on life.

John Nagle: Fact. I'm actually surprised it lasted this long. However, instead of finding a new singer, I think they should just hang it up entirely. Weiland isn't my cup of tea, but he had the right kind of charisma for the band. Since Slash and company refuse to work with anyone that isn't "current," I can't think of a modern rock singer that has the arena filling presence that Weiland has. Josh Todd from Buckcherry would be a decent replacement, but he's too busy with his own band.

Mitch Michaels: Fiction. I think that Scott Weiland had to go, but the way Velvet Revolver went about it is what I don't agree with. Weiland was on the outs with the band anyway, and would've most likely called it quits when he rejoined Stone Temple Pilots, who stand to make a lot of money this summer. Instead, VR rushed things and sent out that snipey public statement, making both parties look like little bitches. Besides, Scott has STP, who does VR have? And don't say Sebastian Bach. Barring the return of anyone not named "Axl", the split with Scott Weiland is the beginning of the end for Velvet Revolver, at least as a commercially viable entity.

Ah, another misinformed journalist regarding who fired who.

Looks like the face saving move worked in this case...

I think he quit once he realized that he doesn't have to stay in a band with people like Matt Sorum.


Matt's comments on that radio show were amusing. He makes it sound like Scott just told them he was doing STP and that's why everything fell apart.

Slash says it started before that ("This is something that?s been coming down for a while. I know everybody is tying the STP [reunion tour] thing to it, but it started way before that.").

Those two can't even get their stories to match and they're on the same side! Then you have a third version from Scott.




/jarmo

VR/Slash never really said they were firing him-mostly said parting ways in the press release they sent out-I'm not sure how people would want them to word it-it's obvious that all the members knew it was the end-it's egos, rock n roll-see Motley Crue, Van Halen-there is always a "I was fired/he quit" aspect to every band

Everyone could see this coming for a while.  If you could see Duff and Slash's reaction on stage when Scott almost passed out and fucked up patience you would know this shit wasn't gonna last.  Plus the cancelled shows.  Plus the rehab during tour was just too much.  Patience wore thin.  I agree with Falcon, Weiland ditched them.  Hell, huge tour and album to follow.  BUT, I do think even without STP, Slash and Duff were ancy for a new singer.  So in the end, its mutual, but Scott "ended" it first.

STP is going to be a huge payday-I think it sucks they broke up-do I blame Scott? No, if he's not into it, and they are not getting along, what's the point-I didn't think it would last this long when they first hired Scott-it would be interesting with a new lead singer, and great if they recorded one more album that would hit # 1 here in the U.S-Slash, Duff, and Matt will have done it with 3 different singers : ok:

They always say being in a band is like being in a relationship.  I'm sure many of us have been in relationships that go to shit and there's two different stories on who dumped who.

Damn, and I was gonna buy you a cool new vest from Sorum Noce.

Scratch that! :hihi:

Which VR member is the only one that's in both VR and Camp Freddy (a band which featured Scott at one point). Now Scott's quit both...




/jarmo

Jarmo, is it Matt or Slash that you blame for Scott leaving.  You seem to switch daily.  I say more Matt than Slash.  I am sure you agree with that.

not that he needs anyone but to be honest jarmo has nailed it exactly with what he's said......

I think it was Dave! He is the quite one... he is to blame!  :P

Strange dichotomy.

1 guy (Scott) doesn't seem to like Sorum so he bolts 2 bands that have Matt as a core member while (generally speaking) Matt's other bandmates over the years seem to have absolutely no problem with the guy and will continue to play/socialize with him regardless.

Circumstantial evidence points at t being more a Weiland issue than a Sorum issue..

Besides Camp Freddy which is more of a fun project, it's Duff and Slash you're talking about?







Both.


But Matt was acting all innocent in that interview.

We know what Slash has done. Those things could piss off his band mates.




/jarmo

And if Paris Hilton likes him, he can't be all that bad.

Those two along with Billy Duffy, Ian Astbury, Billy Morrison, Chris Wyse (basically the entire Cult extended family).  I don't think you can discount the Freddy core guys either, doesn't seem like Navarro, Donovan Leitch or Chris Chaney have any problems with him personally or professionally while leading totally different lifestyles outside of the band than Matt.

No matter how his personality seems to effect a small segment of the fans in general, all signs point to him being both liked and respected by the vast majority of his peer group.
 

But he hasn't played with The Cult in years right?

So the ones he plays somewhat regularly with are VR and CF?

Camp Freddy hasn't really done anything like VR yet so who knows what would happen if it turned into a real project.


So the guy has friends and connections...





/jarmo

Don't forget Gilby Clarke, who stopped by to visit at a VR show recently

No, but recorded the Circus Diablo record with Duffy and Morrison in '06
and remains on excellent terms with Ian.  Matt will also appear on Chris Wyse's upcoming OWL record as well while Chris is basically the first alternate on bass with CF when Chaney is unavailable.



That are willing to work with him on other projects and appear at his request at CF gigs.

That alone speaks volumes more (to me) than Weiland's silly rant
and the perception of a few fans that he's just a bad guy in general.

Well, maybe if Matt's rehab stint caused The Cult to cancel a tour and he blamed it on Ian, he'd think differently?


I just think that the whole idea that he's an innocent bystander who was attacked by Scott to be bullshit....


Slash has a bunch of friends he plays with too, but that doesn't mean he's never lied or caused problems in any band!




/jarmo

As far as Matt and Scott's fued.....

We don't know what may have been said behind the scenes and it's pointless to speculate. We know Matt opens his mouth sometimes.  Comments like "nobody is waiting around for an STP reunion" couldn't have been easy to swallow. However, I think Scott went below the belt with his statement about Matt not having children or a "real" relationship.  It's one thing to attack someone professionally and another to go at them personally.  We know Scott has attacked Axl in a personal manner as well (criticizing his appearance, etc.).  I also took his comment on Sebastian as a sarcastic dig at both parties.  Things like this just make Scott seem like such an asshole.

Who knows, I can't speak for Ian regarding a hypothetical scenario nor can I make any kind of educated guess regarding Scott's allegation of Matt's rehab stint causing a tour cancellation. 

My opinion is based the relationships he maintains and the willingness of his peers to continually work with him.


Agreed, there's always more to the story than we'll ever know as fans.

Although..

Scott's personal attack was way over the top in comparison to Matt's blog entry, wouldn't you agree?


Not sure if that's even a close/fair comparison, Slash's lies are well documented while Matt's alleged transgression (rehab stint causing a tour cancellation) remains just that, an allegation.

Let alone - an allegation made by a front man with a checkered past who had his foot out of the door long before the recent public back and forth
went down.

Considering the fact that he's been there before, it's not totally unlikely.

The guys in this band have a history of keeping their rehab visits a secret. The only exception is Scott who's visits probably became public knowledge  to score him some points in court.

They only seem to mention them in passing when talking about how they went through tough times.


Ever thought that Scott reacted that way because of things Matt had done/said in addition to the blog posting?




/jarmo

Agreed, but "not totally unlikely" and cold hard fact are 2 entirely different animals.  There's absolutely no proof Matt's alleged rehab trip caused any tour cancellation.  Until there is and Matt acknowledges and takes responsibility, it's just Weiland talking.


Until Matt chooses to go public with the matter, Scott's retort remains an allegation.  One made in very bad taste/fashion in my estimation.


Blog nonwithstanding - as far as I know, Matt has never said/done anything to Weiland for public consumption that would justify the personal attack Weiland unleashed on him in the public manner in which he chose to do so.

It just seemed like a reactionary lash out, finger pointing in the worst way.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22886876-5012980,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22886876-5012980,00.html)


I believe Duff wasn't in rehab and Slash was out promoting his book.

So, it's either Dave or Matt.


I'm sorry, but that looks like a cover up.






Who was the one who started throwing rocks?

Matt started talking about canceled shows and mentioning how Scott was unhappy.


Maybe somebody felt targeted by a guy who was as guilty for those canceled shows as he was?




/jarmo

WHO FUCKING CARES AT THIS POINT. SCOTT IS GONE. MOVE ON AND HOPE THE SAME MISTAKES ARE NOT REPEATED. 

Falcon does. ;)


Do you think Matt will admit that he was in rehab so they had to cancel the tour?


It'll more likely be something like "Oh yeah, I went to rehab. Hahahahaha. I'm fine now, you know, rock n' roll! Hahahaha".




/jarmo

Yes, but its trivial at this point and its NOT the reason Scott is gone.  I don't give a fuck about this anymore and its pointless and a waste of time to debate.  Continue if you wish though. 

Could be I suppose, but until proven fact it's just heresay.


Depends on if you think Scott's "anouncement" at the Glasgow gig was a rock or not.

Bottom line, I seriously doubt Matt/Scott's relationship had much to do with the final outcome. 

As I stated before, Slash's visit to his former bandmates house created the initial band unrest with the STP reunion being the death knell. 

I think he went to greener pastures and the other shit is just an excuse.

I agree.  I find it ironic that Scott mentioned money as the only reason he had to stay in VR.  I would be willing to bet he's making tons more off this STP reunion than he did in the last year of touring with VR who eventually scaled back to clubs due to poor ticket sales in the arenas.

To a degree, sure.

STP reconciliation was gonna happen regardless, no matter what factors hastened it along the way.

Exactly!!

So you believe that this is all Matt and Slash's fault?  Don't you allow Scott to take any blame?

You know ... Matt has a LOT of friends ... The Cult asked him to come back for an album and tour ... if he's such a twat, that wouldn't have happened.  He gets regularly asked to jam with people.  He's got a lot of high profile friends. .. people like him.

You have NO idea what Sorum is like as a person.  I reckon he's a lot nicer than you think.  In fact, I bet he's the kind of friend that if you act well to him, will be there to stand by you.

Scott's always been known for his erratic behaviour... and he split with STP in hardly the nicest situation.  Scott dissed STP when he left and now he's dissing VR.  And I'm sorry, but if you think this is all down to Matt and Slash based on a couple of small excerpts in the news ... you really are more stupid than I thought :)

No, he asked if I thought it was Matt or Slash.

I think it's both in addition to Scott, who's a pompous asshole.




Good for him.

And you.  : ok:



/jarmo

Well, we at least agree on Scott :)  And ... before anyone says I'm only saying this now, take a look through my posts ... Scott has fucked me off a lot recently ... before this drama happened.

And yes ... good for Matt ... but you didn't answer to me about it ... so you know I'm right :)  You can't justify your hate for Matt :)

Wrong, there's a big difference between clubs and the venues VR were playing, atleast where I'm from that is...

Definitely ... club tour... bah ... I saw them at the Hammersmith in London ... hardly a club!  It's freakin' massive!

I have my opinion based on what I know, and you have yours.

To say you're right because of your limited knowledge is kinda ridiculous.

Just like saying I'm right. Which I never claimed in this case.  :)





Maybe that explains your opinions and posts.

Your reference points are a bit different..... Hammersmith Apollo massive?

I guess compared to the Barfly....


/jarmo

One thing ... I was saying I was right about the fact that we don't know any more than we read in the press.  Other than that I wasn't saying I was right about what I think about Matt ... I have the same info you have.  Neither one of us is right unless we know factually.  So no, what I said wasn't ridiculous.

Second ... Hammersmith Apollo is NOT a club... and can stand a fucking SHIT LOAD of people.  So ... no need to compare to the Barfly ... and we just compare to a single human being standing in a large club.  Compared to that, which is what the issue was... the Hammersmith IS massive.

Nit picking fool :)

Sorry, don't know the size of the venues in Europe.  I can say for sure that there's a difference between their US venues played in the fall and the ones this past winter.  Maybe clubs was the wrong word.

Oh right. You just have to add the "I'm right" to every post.

Even if it's something insignificant like "we don't know anything really, you know I'm right!".



I guess it proves that you're the kind of person who has to be right all the time.








Ok. Fill in the blanks for fun.


Barfly:
Koko:
Hammersmith Apollo: massive
Earl's Court:
Wembley Arena
Wembley Stadium
Your bedroom:


:D



/jarmo

ahh, Jarmo always picking a fight in the VR section  :hihi:

No.

There just seems to be a lot of love for Matt in this section and I just don't agree with it...  :hihi:



/jarmo

God forbid someone like a member in a section dedicated to the band he's in  :rofl:

I hate matt and his speech impediment as much as the next guy... but you don't see me posting about it...



err...DOUGH ! :hihi:

On a site dedicated to a band he likes to bad mouth and he was fired from?



/jarmo

There just seems to be a lot of love for Matt in this section and I just don't agree with it...

If there where pro-matt stuff on the GN'R section or any other section i'd understand. But on the VELVET REVOLVER section it's no surprise.

Wouldn't you say he has had many more positive public reflections of his time in the band than "bad mouthing" in general?

Yes, especially after recent events.... Which is what we're discussing right?

So, the original implication was that I was picking a fight. Which isn't true.

I just don't agree with some of the posters' love for Matt even after we've seen the things that unfolded.




Well, I think he's two-faced to begin with....





/jarmo

Seems like a pretty harsh characterization of someone who's managed to maintain both personal and professional relationships with the vast majority of his current/former bandmates (and peer group in general) over nearly 2 decades on the music scene.

Never gonna get past that "What the fuck's with the piano?" comment, huh?

Kidding of course, everyone's entitled to their opinion.  ;)

I think Sorum's an outspoken guy.  Aside from the piano comment most recently when speaking about a possible GNR reunion vs. an STP reunion, saying that he didn't think the public was clamoring for an STP reunion.  Well obviously he was wrong, and something he probably shouldn't have said.

I'm sure , this is going to come off as a I'm a giant Matt fan kinda that but I'm really not. But I'm pretty sure i know what quote you are talking about and i think he meant as in people aren't/wouldn't respond to an STP reunion as a full scale GN'R one.

Yeah I know that's what he was getting at, but still, he shouldn't have said it.  He's not in GNR anymore, he was in VR WITH Scott Weiland at the time.  So why take an unecessary shot at HIS former band?

True , but as we've come to find out stuff has been sour for awhile. So who knows maybe he just wanted to poke at it because it hit a nerve , in any case I agree with him STP reunion doesn't amount to a GN'R one. But I see what you mean.  :beer:

Sorum admits Axl is one of the greatest frontmen he has ever seen. 

Sorum loved his time in GNR.

Sorum had a blast with Rose just 2 years ago. 

Sorum may not be the coolest guy, but he still admire's Axl and a soundbite from behind the music should not engrave his character in stone.

And in July 2007's Rolling Stone, completely badmouths him.

Time to bring in Bach!

Barfly: Large
Koko: Massive
Hammersmith Apollo: massive
Earl's Court: Massiver
Wembley Arena: Massiver
Wembley Stadium: Massivest
Your bedroom: Crazy Massive

He's acting like everything is fine one day and then doing interviews saying something else the next. When he has to sell some albums.



To think that him, Slash or Scott are just great guys because they have friends is just lame in my opinion.



The guy can do anything, but since he's friends with The Cult, he must be s a great guy!  ;)





/jarmo

Jarmo, the Cult is Falcon's favorite band ever.  So if someone is a friend of your favorite band, the guy must be alright in your eyes on some level. 

Of course I understand that.


But you have to understand that not everybody agrees. Especially since this isn't a Cult or VR or Matt Sorum site.

This is a GN'R site. Matt Sorum was fired for being a prick.





/jarmo

By WHO'S admission?  Matt Sorum ... and this is the only documented story ... was fired because he stood up for Slash.  That's not being a prick.  That's going against the fucking authority... an authority who can't stand being told he's wrong.

Wasn't it Sorum that didn't tour with Snakepit because he didn't think it was a good idea for GNR and wanted to stay and work on new music with Axl?  Axl by most accounts enjoyed Sorum while Sorum was in GNR till they had the falling out.

Once again. You choose to believe what he wants you to believe.

If you honestly think that he was fired just for that single incident, then good for you. I chose to belive that it was something that had been going on for a bit longer than that.

It's like thinking Scott was fired because he wanted to do that STP tour...







/jarmo

Well ... no ... it's not.  Because Sorum WAS fired ... and Scott quit.

You just desperately want to believe that Sorum was a fucking cunt the whole time.

While you'll never admit that Axl perhaps just acted like typical Axl and fired him out of anger.  Now ... he fired Gilby with very little explaination ... and countless people have said that Axl was a moron.  Countless.  So I suspect in this case, yes ... Axl did fire Matt for that one thing.  Remember ... Slash was one of Axl's worst enemies at the time ... it would have been some kind of betrayal for Sorum to say good things about Slash and bad things about good ole' Paul Tobias.

Well, I think it's a positve reflection on his character that he has maintained great personal and professional relationships with the majority of his peer group.  I'd think the people closest to him would have exposed him as being "two faced" and cut ties with him if that was indeed the case.  

On a personal side, I've met and spoke with the guy a few times and found him to be extemely engaging and intellegent, one of the flat out nicest celebs I've ever ran across.


I'm assuming the above was said with tongue firmly implanted in cheek.

He was in the band, didn't agree with how things were, had the chance to quit but he chose not to. So he was fired.

So instead of doing what most people who are unhappy would do, leave, he chose to try to stick around and can now go around telling everyone how he was fired. Poor victim!



Does that tell you anything?

Just like all those VR articles that claim they fired Scott. He quit.




/jarmo

Plenty of people have said Axl's a moron?  I don't know about that.  Difficult, temperamental, a perfectionist, yes, I've read those things too.  Not moron.  I've never read that, actually.  The opposite in fact, even from his former bandmates.

Ali

well, he was...even Slash indicated about it in his book....Matt's comments over the years in the press and on TV have cealry made him an isolated twat in the world of GNR....

he's a good drummer...very good in fact, and has other musical talents too....but he's still a twat...

Slash never indicated that.

Guess that depends on how you want to look at it.    Seems like what he did was to take it upon himself to announce, on stage, that the band was done, evidently without consulting any other member about it.   The original press release never said he was fired, just that they were "parting ways". 

he never said it directly, no....but he did say that Matt lost it with Axl one night in Europe when Axl decided to walk off stage, shouting at him and giving him a lecture as to hwo to behave...even though he was only employed for a short while.

to me that's an indication.

An indication that Matt is not a twat, perhaps!

it didn't come across as very complimentary to Matt....

only damage to the arena ;D
I guess you had to be there
and the original post wasn't about damaging an arena, but this quote speaking of Axl

"And he's gone back and played those places.

It's not likely to happen with VR is it?"

when talking about cancelled shows; hey, at least VR cancels before packing the place with 20,000 people and cancelling right before they are supposed to go on; after sitting thru 2 torture filled opening acts---

I think even the most die-hard GnR fan would recognixe there is a bit of a difference between cancellations

It's just typical of VR fans.

VR canceled their Australaian tour twice and those fans won't see Weiland sing those songs again until the long awaited VR reunion.

Instead of sticking with that thought, you have to take the "But GN'R...." route.





/jarmo

actually, I think it was you that brought GnR to the thread

Look again: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=51269.msg1058001#msg1058001

First mention of Axl was not done by me but a guy with the name Slash in his username.



/jarmo

You kind of set that one up, though.......setting the bait, so to speak.....

What you talk about is a classic example of someone who knows how to suck up to the right people  and only show his real face to he ones he knows won't be believed.... Ronnie James Dio is known to be one of those too, always sucking up to media people and kissing the butts of fans... but being totally nasty to the ones he works with.. just ask his former employees :)

We all got friends we know are pricks, yet we still hang out with them, so your theory is baseless   :peace:

I met Slash once backstage, he basically said to get rid of all backstage fans in the hallways and he refused aggressively he wouldn't sign "shit".... amazing guy.

Speak for yourself... ::)


Hardly relevent to Sorum...

So because Axl walked off stage, disrespected the band, crew, promoter, crowd of fans, and everyone else that'd worked their fucking asses off to make sure Axl had a fucking stage to play on ... he's a cunt?  Oh do me a favor!  lol.  That just proves that Matt stood up for what was fucking right!!!!  Even Jarmo and other Matt haters would have to agree, that's pretty much the right thing to do, considering what a bad thing he was arguing against!

I was basically disputing this assertion you made about me"It's just typical of VR fans.

VR canceled their Australaian tour twice and those fans won't see Weiland sing those songs again until the long awaited VR reunion.

Instead of sticking with that thought, you have to take the "But GN'R...." route."

I never did and even prefaced my original comment by saying"not to slam Axl....

Don't get me involved in your little Matt lovefest.  :hihi:


The truth still is that during this time when everything was wrong according to him, he was happy to be part of the biggest band in the world and wouldn't even quit when he was asked if he was gonna. Just so he could be the martyr.....





/jarmo

Where does it say this is an exclusively Matt Sorum thread?

If you can talk about your experience meeting Sorum/Scott/Duff/who ever in a VR thread, I can talk about my experience meeting Slash here as long as he is in VR  :peace:

You know... I met the guy as well and I?m sure we aren?t talking about the same person...

As I've said before, I'll "worry" about that then.

If Axl decides one day that it's a great idea to go back to having the old line up together, I'll support him.

Just like you guys follow and support Slash/Duff (and SpiritDave supports Matt), I support Axl.  : ok:


No, I don't dislike all those guys. Only certain peoples' ways of doing and saying things.

I hope you're happy with that answer and realize that I don't need to agree with everything these guys say just in case there's a reunion years from now. Maybe that explains why there's Matt fans.....  :hihi:



/jarmo

I'm a little late, but who didn't see this happening?  The day VR announced Weiland was going to be the lead singer was like the beginning of the countdown to his demise.  It was only a matter of time before Weiland screwed himself out of the band.

Now I hear STP are planning a reunion, lol.  The guy doesn't waste any time does he?

So long, Scott.  Nice to see you vacating a world in which you never really cared about or fit in to begin with.  Stick to what you know.

Joshua Todd would be an interesting choice to replace him.

What do you really know about Dio and and his former employees, and what does that have to do with anything here? 

Personally, I choose not to hang around with people who are pricks.  Maybe you might know a little more about people who come across as arrogant pricks, than what I do, however.       

As for meeting Slash, I've heard stories from a lot of people who have met him, and I have my own, and the stories are just the opposite.  Maybe it was just you, I don't know.....    :peace:

Read again then maybe you will understand, and stop PM-ing me with insults, ok, cupcake?  : ok:

There are many cases where I've heard opposite. We are supposed to base our idea of Slash around one encounter with ONE fan? Maybe he was in a crappy mood? Maybe he didn't get the right vibe from you? Where you supposed to be in that area?

I did understand.  I did not PM you with any insults.  Like I said, you might know a little bit more about arrogant pricks, than what I would.  Anyway, this is getting off topic.  You got anything more to say?  It won't be here.  And there's no need to continue to refer to me as "cupcake".   : ok:

Well, I was simply highlighting the fact that what Matt did was for the good of the band ... and you know what ... ?  I suspect he stayed because he believed in the band ... or what it could be and what it was.

Nope, you didn't understand because you made the same assumpion yet again, cupcake : ok:

PS: cupcake isn't an insult, but what you reffered to me as, is.

Me and the about 30-35 people backstage who were shoved out by security because Mr Slash wanted it, while we all had backstage passes and it was no problem for the other VR members. Lost the last bit of respect I had for him that day  : ok:

I am not saying he is always like that, in fact he is very clever in hiding this part of his most of the time... but he ain't a fan's Mother Theresa like most here try to portray him.

Or maybe he did it because it was good for him?

He believed in the band?

Maybe he just believed that it would be best for Matt Sorum to stay in the biggest band he ever was in, instead of quitting?




/jarmo

No one said he was perfect jesus dude. Clever in hiding it? So if one day I blow up on somebody and I act like an ass I'm clever in hiding it , NO I was just in a bad mood. Would you like to have 30-35 people surrounding before you are going to go play a concert whilst many other things on your mind?

Most people interpret condescension as an insult.

Maybe  :-\  Maybe not.  We'll never know :)