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SCOTT WEILAND Fires Back At MATT SORUM: 'Ego And Jealousy Can Get The Better Of Anyone' - Mar. 21, 2008

VELVET REVOLVER frontman Scott Weiland has released the following statement to BLABBERMOUTH.NET:

"Responding to our drummer's [Matt Sorum] rant about why the band is in a state of flux:

"Well, first of all, the state of my family affairs is really none of his business, since he is too immature to have a real relationship, let alone children. So don't attempt to stand in a man's shoes when you haven't walked his path. Secondly, 'keeping rock 'n' roll alive?' I've made many attempts to remain cordial with the members of VR, but mainly, the likes of you. Funny though ? this is your FIRST band, as opposed to being a hired gun. I've been making records (now on my ninth), which have sold over 35 million copies worldwide and have maintained a level of professionalism regardless of how many drugs I've ingested into my system. I have only cancelled one tour during the entire course of my 16-year run and that was the 'make-up' Australia tour. Now, shall I open that can of worms, Matthew? Release the Kraken? Serve... Volley! You cancelled the Aussie tour in the fall because you went to rehab, but I won't say why? we'll just let Blabbermouth find out for themselves.

"As for our fans ? I will sweat, bruise, and bleed for you. And will continue to do so until the end of this tour. However, you deserve to hear VELVET REVOLVER playing? not certain individuals singing along to get a muddied up sound. God forbid ? could one imagine if I grabbed a guitar and started soloing along with Slash? That would never happen because I know my place. It's a shame? we were a gang. But ego and jealousy can get the better of anyone. I wish the best and plan to annihilate the stage in the last few shows.

"On a separate note, we did an STP [STONE TEMPLE PILOTS] photo shoot before this tour and it was fun, inspiring and it gave me that thrill ? that feeling that got my rocks off from the get-go."

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=93414

I can understand Weiland feeling angry or whatever...but he should count to ten before he posts something like that...What if the STP reunion falls apart? He doesn't want to burn all his bridges...

Weilands a deucher.

they shoulda never had him as VR's singer

Sooooooo....does anyone here still worship him?

This is getting really entertaining.. :yes:

Matt went to rehab too while pointing fingers at Scott?

Matt "Keep the Rock alive" Sorum?





/jarmo

I know he went sometime back in 06, not sure about any other recent stints.

See above.

That tour was supposed to happen in late 2007 right?




/jarmo

Ya, I think so.

Can't wait for Sorum's response, he's never been shy about his own "issues" so I'm sure we'll
get some kind of clarification.

This back and forth shit is just hysterical, nothing like washing the dirty laundry in public for all to see.

Kinda sad actually.  Weiland can never keep his laundry in his dryer, and for some reason he uses the media to attack people.  At least Matt was somewhat civil about it.

Well assuming what Scott said is true, Matt already kept his fans in the dark while talking about Scott's rehab stint.

So obviously for a guy who uses the phrase "The TRUTH Rock On!!!!!!" in his blog posting, he might wanna check out the meaning of the word truth before responding.....



/jarmo

Well, time and time again, it's been proven that those guys only see/say what they want to remember ONLY.

Kinda tough to assume anything at this point or lay blame I suppose.  

If Sorum chose to keep an alleged rehab stint private that's his business, Weiland's was public knowledge and was really never pointed to in Matt's blog.

Personally, I think Scott jumped the gun and should have thought before he typed.

this isn't the first time that's happened... :yes:

Shit this is better then watching Day time soaps.


Oh, yeah fuck Matt Sorum.

He mentioned the cancellations and everybody knows that Scott being in rehab was the reason for the latest cancellation.

So it's not that far fetched to understand why Scott feels like the previous cancellation was also blamed on him by Matt......



Does this refer to Matt singing over Scott's parts?





/jarmo

I'm interested to see where this goes , what will Sorum say? Are they gonna play more shows. I can just imagine what Slash and Duff are thinking  :rofl:


I think he is talking about the one show where Paris Hilton messed around with them as did the guy from Whitestar , Duff sang its so easy and Matt did Patience.

I think that's exactly what Scott is infering.

It's no secret that Scott and Matt have issues with eachother, but this is just silly. :rofl:

They're two grown men, is it so hard to speak face to face?

I think the most interesting part will be seeing these two on stage together for the remaining VR shows.
I bet the tension will be so thick in the air you could cut it with a knife! :o :hihi:

But he's talking about picking up a guitar and soloing over Slash's playing. Not playing Slash's stuff when Slash isn't there...


It sounds like he thinks Matt is singing over his vocals so that people can't hear him, they hear Matt singing instead.



/jarmo

That could also be the reason why Scott apparently was arguing with the sound guy after singing fall to pieces.  Maybe demanding to have matt's mic volume lowerred.

Its funny how VR has almost paralleled Audioslave. They were both around for about 4-5 years, one had 2 albums the other 3, lead singer gets fed up and wants it to end, theres a reunion with one of the original bands....

But this raises the question of what the band will do about their 3 album record deal, I don't know if a greatest hits album is a possibility with only 2 albums of material.

what a fucking mess...its too bad...i dug VR....they were a cool rock n Roll band....and I will always worship the ground Slash, Duff and even Matt walk on for the rest of my life....even though everything went bad with them as far as Guns were concerned their contributions to GNR will last forever.. oh well so much for VR they are def done...i wouldnt be surprised if they pull out of the few gigs they have remaining....Matt Sorum can definitely be an asshole sometimes...look at all the shit he talked about how Axl was "so jealous" of VR back when Libertad came out....

This is hardly surprising the major rift seems to be between these 2. At the core of it I don't think either respected one another both as a person and a musician.

When Matt made that comment in Rolling Stone about the world "not exactly waiting on an STP reunion" when comparing it to a potential GNR reunion, that right there was the kind of thing that sealed the band's fate. You can't demean your lead singer's former band like that in public, particularly one as accomplished as STP was(while they were never quite the international act, at least in the states they were one of the biggest rock bands of the 90's whether you enjoyed their music or not).

Matt sometimes seems elevate his stature  as a musician significantly more than warranted because he seems to forget that he was along for the GNR ride, and not responsible for it. How many occassions has he referred to himself in a way that would make you think he was the band's original drummer. I don't think Scott really respected him musically for the very fact he has made a career stepping into ready made situations after others did the heavy lifting to make a band popular. If I am Scott, I probably would have little patience for any of Matt's antics or preaching from a soapbox considering that up until VR his living was made playing more than half a show of other people's material every night. There have also been numerous accounts of Scott (and the rest of the band for that matter) wanting nothing to do with Matt and the groupie lifestyle he flaunted.

That is not to say that Scott always got along with the rest of the band, but I do think at his core he at least respected Slash and Duff if for no other reason than it is hard not to based on their past accomplishments. That is just not enough though, because if every member of the band does not respect one another it will crumble. From everything we have heard the past 5 years it has always been Scott and Matt that have been the oil and water, and it really was only a matter of time given the personalities until it imploded.

I also think Scott was increasingly unwilling to put up with whatever aggravation disinterest he had in the band because he had STP to fall back on. I think things may have played out slightly different if that wasn't waiting in the wings, as their would have been more effort put into working things out if there was no fallback.

Slash is more in demand than ever these days, so he will be just fine without VR. He will probably have a killer solo album with him wailing away with a roster of rock's best front men providing vocals. Duff seems to be at a place in life that he has enough outlets in the business world that he will easily be able to fill his spare time until he decides musically what direction he plans on going. Hopefully Dave saw the writing on the wall all along and saved some money. Matt will continue being Matt in his own little world.

I suspect this will be the last we ever see of Slash in a band though. He does not seem to be a fan of the drama, insecurity and eccentricities that go hand in hand with highly talented but mentally unstable frontmen the way Scott and Axl have been. I think he understands that to get to a certain level it is a necessary evil, but at this point in his career I just don't seem him voluntarily entering into a situation like that again in the future. It is too bad because I enjoy him and Duff being in a band together, but it may be time for everyone involved to find their own little niche without eachother.

They could find another singer .


but then again they may put out a live  disc or a hits/bsides disc.

I can't see any scenario in which Slash/Duff would ever consider carrying on as VR without Scott even if they legally could. Given the comments they have made over the years about similar matters I suspect they would not even consider it.

Im expecting a live album.....which would be awesome actually

HA HA


Thats so funny ....two assholes arguin on public ! :hihi:


Scott nailed with this coment................................................. Funny though ? this is your FIRST band, as opposed to being a hired gun.



Thats the true rock sentence on this case.

Yeah or it might not even been that but maybe Matt stepping up to sing when Scott was away pissed him off but then again Duff did this as well. So you could have a point , but really it's sad how immature this has gotten lol.

was Matt not the original drummer of The Cult?? I have no idea I know nothing about them other than that song they did for Gone in 60 seconds

I personally would rather hear Duff and Matt sing "its so easy" than Scott....Duff helped write the damn thing...

Yeah of course some of us would prefer that , but maybe he took it as a slap in the face you know. After that statement that Scott made this could have many twists and turns we don't even know about.

No.

He joined the band after they had recorded Sonic Temple.







/jarmo

I didn't even know that , I mean I'm not a hard core Cult fan but I thought he was the original , but after some checking he joined when the tour started for Sonic Temple right? Anyways that ( IMO ) is a pretty big insult to Sorum ,  I mean he is basically first of saying you don't know how a band REALLY works and then he goes on to talk about "since he is too immature to have a real relationship, let alone children" thats some deep insults.

To me Sorum's quite the douche.  He always seems to enjoy running his mouth regardless about who it is.  I absoluted loved Scott's "hired gun" pitch though.  Hilarious.  I hope Scott finds peace once again alongside STP, which is where he belongs.  Velvet Revolver was never really anything special for me other than a "supergroup" that ran it's course for far too long.  

That's one of the most unintelligent statements I've read in awhile. And it comes from an otherwise supposedly intelligent poster.
Saying Axl is mentally unstable is pretty uninformed and insulting. Labeling Scott as highly talanted is just ridiculous. And putting them both in the same category is a sacrilege.


As for Slash, all he can do now is go ahead and write another self-serving biography setting the record straight onto how exactly the VR break happened. His solo record is likely to be less profitable than that.

Are you surprised? Something negative happens in the wonderful magical world of VR and Axl has to be mentioned.

Says a lot....



A new book? Nah, just a revised edition of the same old book with an added chapter "setting the record straight regarding VR's break up".






/jarmo

I agree, that mentally unstable remark was uncalled for.  Scott Weiland is a drug addict.  That doesn't make him "mentally unstable".  Axl may have issues, he may have bipolar disorder, but that doesn't make him "mentally unstable".  More importantly, Axl has nothing to do with Velvet Revolver  : ok:

Ali

Actually Scott had another tour cancelled when STP were suppose to open for Kiss' big comeback tour in makeup and his drugs fucked up their opening slot.


Anyhow, I am on Scott's side here.

I have always loathed Matt Sorum and thought he was a fucking prick.


"Whats with the piano?"

Fuck that guy!



also, I think its fair to say that Axl isn't or wasn't the easiest guy in the world to work with. Im not sure thats an insult.

Really? I think Scott's actions where very unprofessional like. I think Scott needs to think before he speaks , I'm siding with Sorum on this one.

I am not going to get into the merits of Axl's mental stability with you.  To try and say though he is anything but a live wire that could go off at any time given all the episodes over the past 20 years is certainly a stretch. Axl himself has alluded to this sort of thing himself over the years, so I am hardly making a slanderous comment.

You don't have to like Scott or his music, but you don't front 2 platinum selling bands, play in front of as many people, sell as many records, win a grammy, and be considered one of rock's best front men without a little talent. He has had too long and successful a career to be a talentless hack. It obviously isn't at the level of what GNR had accomplished, but compared to 98% of the rest of the rock bands of the past 15 years he is at or near the top of the list in terms of achievement. To try and argue otherwise just demonstrates an inability to separate your distaste for him from the facts on the ground.

Scott isnt gonna get any love on this forum after the way he trashed Axl but even the biggest hater of Scott can't deny his talent.

He isn't an Axl level talent but then again not many are.

Scott is certainly higher up than most frontmen.

Ok Axl is a loose cannon? Last time I checked Axl fronted Guns N Roses not Velvet Revolver.

He's not even the best of "his" decade.

He's like a Matt Sorum of singing.  :hihi:

A lot of image.




I suggest you stop mentioning Axl in this fucking section.

After all, it was all you VR fans who got upset about it in the past. Now you're the ones doing it.

As I said, as soon as something bad happens, you try to turn it to be about Axl. Fucking predictable.



/jarmo

Im with ya on Scott Weiland...i think STP is a good band, and Ill probably check them out in jersey this summer....I never really liked Scott Weiland as a person after the bullshit he said about Axl...but the guy is a decent frontman I wont take that away from him..although I have said alot of nasty things about him over the past couple years on this board...

my question is why are you even bringing up Axl Rose in this discussion...last time I checked he was not a member of Velvet Revolver or Stone Temple Pilots....and to talk about the guys mental state is makes no sense to me...how in the world would you know anything about that? and what in the world does that have to do with Velvet Revolver breaking up?


and on a side note.... has anyone noticed that in Scott Weilands impromtu internet rants he always brings up how many records he has sold or what he has accomplished in the record business??

Stop it with the Axl stuff already.


Naupis got warned.




/jarmo

Where did I mention Axl except to say he Scott isn't on his level and most people sort of liked Scott until his dumbass rant?

Why the hell all of a sudden are u tryin to call out my shit? How the fuck did I turn anything into about Axl?


Also it was u and Jim Bob who would hijack every VR thread with inflammatory shit.

So maybe u should follow your own rules? : ok:

::)  Here we go again.

Anyway, Scott is definitely a talented frontman.  He has a great, well crafted vocal instrument.  He writes good melodies too.  But, while I do acknowledge his inalienable right to speak his mind, I think in this situation and in the situation with Axl and Slash visiting Axl's house, he made a messy situation messier by expressing his feelings publicly.  He pissed Slash off by ripping Axl in public and I can't imagine this will help band unity.

Ali

Yeah, it says I was trying to make a point about Slash's future now that VR is done. I used the example of 2 talented but troubled lead singers to reinforce why I think we are done seeing Slash in a band designed to be more than a big jam session the way Snakepit was. That only leaves me with 2 singers then unless I am missing something. That seemed pretty logical to me given his comments in the past about his relationship with "singers". I was merely making the point this may be his last straw. Hardly these sinister intentions to sully Axl's name you and your minions seem to be trying to grasp at. I will avoid referring to him by name then if it will make you feel better next time I am trying to illustrate a point by establishing a pattern.

so anyway I wonder if Scott Weiland will be making an apperance on Slash's solo album.. :hihi:


in all seriousness though I really hope Duff and Slash repond to what Scott said about Matt....I will lose some repect for them if they don't...I am already assuming that Matt Sorum will have plenty to say as usual..

Naupis, I read your post and fully understood its intent. Its a shame that everyone has to overreact every single time The artist we aren't allowed to mentions name is said.

I guess if the band is over, no further harm can be done by further escalation of the tensions in this situation, but no good can be done either.  Just play the final shows and move on to better things.

Ali

guys let it go already...this IS the VR section afterall....i think there are a few HUNDRED topics in Dead Horse to resume that conversation in....

so how many of you think they will replace Scott either by keeping the name VR or the four of them finding a new singer and coming up with a new band name?

This is coming from Mr "Off Topic, let's have some fun by ruining every thread with off topic spam"

I suggest you keep some of your posts to yourself. You're making a lot of posts about how this board sucks but you're one of the posters who spam the threads the most with off topic posts.






/jarmo

Your point is still unconvincing. If you read the greatly insightful biography Slash wrote, you'd know what his thoughts were on the singer of Snakepit II. So, claiming that Slash will likely settle for something like Snakepit because it is more controllable, stable, and drama-free is incorrect.

Speaking of mental stability. I am sorry to remind you but back in the day when GN'R was starting there was just one stable, sober, and smart person in that band, without who this band would've never made it and we wouldn't have had GN'R, not even in its AFD version. And Slash, well he is actually more unstable than any of the aforementioned singers, a bigger addict, alcoholic, etc. But Slash is a private person and manages well to hide his messy life and habits.

I'm not in this thread to defend anybody but your insulting remarks deserved a response. But I thank you for your compliment.

Back to discussing VR and their exciting antics off stage.





/jarmo

Spam with Off Topic stuff?

We are talkin about the implosion of VR, My posts are on the subject. Its like we are suppose to forever disassociate and pretend the old GNR or any relationships between Slash and the guy we arent suppose to mention never existed.



Your post should've been directed at the guy who brought his name into the thread in the first place. the fact u said it to me just made no sense as I said nothing negative or even brought Axl's name into anything.


I said people on here arent gonna like Scott after what he said about Axl.

How in the hell is that "spamming"

Its that kind of stuff that makes me wonder if u even know what spamming is.


U couldnt produce 10 posts of mine that would be considered "Spam" that weren't at least remotely on the subject at hand.

Then again its the pot callin the kettle black cause for months u and Jimbob did nothing but spam the VR section with stuff to incite the VR fans.

D, what's your fucking problem?


Just the other day you were whining about how you weren't allowed to "have fun" in the GN'R section.

Then went off to start a new thread (in the right section) where you whined about it.

You seem very unhappy unless you're discussing Bon Jovi.....



THE IMPLOSION OF VELVET REVOLVER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AXL! DEAL WITH IT!



The next ones that mention Axl in this section, or hint at it like you tried to, will get banned.

Clear enough?





/jarmo

Just sayin I didnt mention him and felt unfairly targeted.


I have absolutely no problem, I just want to be able to have an opinion without being called a spammer. U know deep down truthfully i am not a spammer and I take offense to that.

Topic:

If Libertad had done as well as Contraband, Im not sure we would have these public dustups and I dont think Scott would be eager to leave the band.

I guess it would be rough going from being on top with STP to falling down, to then get a rare second chance with another band and once again reach the top only to have it crash down very fast.

If u are a lead singer u are the alpha dog. U don't want someone trying to over sing u because if I go see a concert, I am there to hear the singer sing

Backing vocals are cool and all but I certainly dont want to go to a Matt Sorum sings VR show.

So Scott saying he doesn't pick up a guitar and solo with Slash is dead on.

I wonder if there would be any chance of them firing Matt and getting someone else to drum??

Exactly, and the next logical conclusion is to speculate where do they go next. I guess hypothesizing where someone sees Slash ending up using his past career experiences as a factor in why we think that is some how inflammtory spam.

Naupis:

Unfortunately VR and Snakepit are the only two bands Slash has ever been in. Everything pre1996 never happened.



I cant see this band going on without Scott. It would just be kind of pointless and hard to sell to an audience seeing as they aren't that established.

I say Slash will end up with the guest appearances, doing jam bands. Id say Slash in band number 3 probably won't happen.



U know what would really be weird though?

If Slash and Duff got back with Adler maybe hire back Gilby or even kept Matt and hired just a Cover type singer and went around on tour doing classic songs.

are you kidding me?  do you really think they would stab Matt in the back like that....they have been friends since 1990!!!  do you really think Slash and Duff would do that to Matt for Scott Weiland of all people?!?!  I think its more likely they just get another singer and start a new band....

but as for the immediate future, I think Slash is going to work on his solo album....which I think will be really cool...especially if its like he said it would be, working with a different artist on every song...kind of similar to what Santana did in the late 90's...only unlike Santana, Slash can use talented artists.. :hihi:

slash with Steven Tyler


WOW!!!! :o :o

Wow, this has gotten bad quick.
Weiland is a fucking idiot. The vibe I got from Matt's post was just something to try and cover up/downplay what was happening, and Scott's randomaly jummped on it. Calling Matt imature, not a man etc is a joke. Weiland should look in a mirror. Who is the imature one when he can't have enough self control to remain sober for a tour? Fair enough, it sounds like Matt went to rehab too, but with Scott pointing his finger three more's pointing back at him.
Jumping on him about not having a family is harsh and low. So is attacking him for VR being his 'first band'. What an asshole. Even if he was a 'hired gun' Sorum's probably had more of an impact on music that Scott has.
Fuck Weiland, VR should kick him out of the band right now and finnish the tour themselves. Who the fuck publically attacks a band mate (for the time being at least) like this?
It'll be interesting to see how long STP lasts now that he seems to have fallen back into his bad habbits, and obviously has his attitude problem back.
Also, is Scott only able to deal with problems publically online? Firt his embarrasing Axl rant and now this...  ::)
If he stays the rest of the VR tour should be interesting.
Oh well, as a VR fan let me say, see ya later Scott, and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
Oh yeah, and ego and jealousy can get the better of anyone, right Scott? How does it feel being over-shadowed every night be three ex-Gunner legends?

Yeah, well, I've seen VR twice and Matt and Duff's harmonies ADD to the sound ... I think Scott's just being a little bitch because he wants all the vocals to come from him ... but when you sing live, harmonies really add a lot.  I've been doing music for a few years and harmonies are so important to me ... and sure, Scott is a better singer than Matt and Duff, but that's fine ... they can pitch the notes and as a backing singer, that's all you need.

So that whole statement about the muddied singing is bullshit, and obviously an attack for the sake of it.

Then they need to get a new engineer ... because that's not Matt's fault !  That's the sound mixer !!!  And Scott would know that ... or his howevermanyyears of professional music performances hasn't taught him shit! :)

The feeling I got from Matt's statement was that he was trying to downplay things a bit...

This reaction from Weiland is just childish and uncalled for if you ask me, looks like he's finally gone of the deep end...

Regardless of all the personal issues, at least Scott respects VR and the fans and is drawing the line for that sake.

I'd rather VR were put to end than this shit going on and on and on.

Scott's a fucking tool

Wow, that's kinda harsh, dude...matt sorum's cool. I didn't think he even said anything that bad about scott.

I have only cancelled one tour during the entire course of my 16-year run and that was the 'make-up' Australia tour

How does he figure the Australian tour was a make-up tour? They only missed one show last time round which was Perth and they weren't even on the schedule this time!

Ehh-I like Scott Weiland, think he is an amazing performer, but he'll wear out his welcome with the DeLeo brothers (again)-it's sad because they make great music and there are few rock bands left today I really like, who don't put "greatest hits" shows, and actually play new music at concerts-I have no idea what Scott is talking about as far as the sound goes at concerts-they sounded great in Detroit a few months back-as Slash once said, "fucking lead singers"-poor Slash

 Matt has done more musically than Scott?

Lets dont get too carried away.


STP is one of the greatest bands of the 90's regardless of how people want to look at it. to be honest they are my absolute favorite from the "Grunge" Period as I would take STP over Nirvana,Pearl Jam, AIC, Soundgarden etc.



So lets dont get too crazy. SCott is being a pain in the ass and unrational with the whole vocal thing but We don't have to be around Matt Sorum all the time.

Every interview I've ever seen from Matt, he thinks he is Tommy Lee or some shit but he definitely isn't.  I think Matt is full of shit *watch the GNR BTM* and I didnt like him too much before that and I really don't like him afterwards.

He just comes across like a prick and I can see where Scott would clash with him.

This is what I disagree with-you really don't hear Matt's singing, but you can hear Duff's singing clearly in many songs over Scott in concert-not really Duff's fault-his voice is unique

I kinda feel bad for Slash & Duff.  They really were into this band.

In any case, I would love to have a ticket for tonight's show-should be interesting to say the least

Oh god... this is getting worse/better everyday... How come they won?t settle all this in person? It?s such a shame that members of the same band have to start fights this way! I wonder how the last shows of this tour will be like... I mean, if two members of the band hate each other, that sure will end compromising the shows?

Let?s see...

Btw, Matt?s post was really childish with all those Rock N Roll rants but Scott wasn?t that mature when revealing personal stuff about Matt that way... I think the band, all of them, should make a public statement about all this, clarifying the fans. Not this!

IF it happens...

Unless this is a tool to get attention...

I think it's hilarious that the band is falling apart. I wonder if Slash will take any of the blame this time around? Or is he just gonna blame it on everyone else like he did with Guns?

I said Matt's had more of an impact on music, not done more. What I mean is that, yeah, Scott has done more musically than Matt, but in my oppinion, Matt has made a bigger impact. I like STP, they've done some great songs. But their sound wasn't groundbreaking, nor really was anything they did. Matt on the other hand will always be the drummer on the November Rain video, an iconic song and video. He may have been 'filling Adlers boots' to some, but he was part of GnR during their boom era.

I was just wondering. If Scott seemingl has such a problem with the back up vocals, why didn't he address it privatly with the band before the tour, after a show or whenever?
It really seems like he doesn't like any of the guys in the band...

Leave Slash Alone!! (not Britney)

at least Matts post was at least subtle LOL !

Nothing better than a bit of rock rivalry.

I dont see what matt said wrong in his post...to me it sounded like damage control to brush it off....Then scott comes out blasting him....Truly I think its over...after these shows its done guys...

Why? The start of all this tension in the band was when he went to Axl's house. I just want to know if he is going to own up to his part in this. I don't think he will though...

I do love rock and roll fights-this is both sad and fun to watch-at least they are not giving the "breaking up but will continue to remain friends" line we get out of hollywood couples..lol-I'm glad they do air it out in public, I think if you've spent money on the band and are into them, you deserve to hear why they are breaking up

I actually think it is more he really hates Matt Sorum. We have heard for years now even back to the beggining of the band that Matt and his rock n' roll groupie lifestyle has really clashed with Scott and where he was at in life trying to stay sober and all after the band first started. We used to hear that time and again, and then you look at Matt's comment about the world not exactly waiting on an STP reunion, and it seems as though there was never going to be any healing that. For whatever reason they reached the point where the straw broke the camel's back, but it seems those 2 have been butting heads for the entire existance of the band.

If you're Scott and you have a good fallback option, you are not as inclined to stick around and make it work if you detest one of the members of your band enough to make music not fun anymore. This is hardly the first time Matt has majorly rubbed someone the wrong way within the context of the greater band.

i can see how matt would annoy. I remember when i watched the rise of VR he got on my nerves with his assholeness in contrast to duffs down to earthness.

They?re a band. If this doesn?t work they all are to blame... including Dave. lol

Fact of the matter is, VR's second CD flopped and Scott was/is going back to STP....I said this months ago...its not like someone doing a "side project" where the band is smaller than your main band...hes going back to a band that could potentially do better than VR's latest outing...

it sounds to me like hes sick of everyone in the band and is leaving...Even Duff in a recent interview said "no one person defines us" and hinted that theyll "continue playing together" so it sounds like he feels its over with Scott...

They got scott with all his baggage because he was the most commercially viable at the time....it seems to have backfired as most supergroups do...

Ironically, Josh todd and Sebastian bach seem to be doing just fine...


Time to get a new singer, maybe a new band name and move on....

so can I, he got on my nerves watching that, complaining about every singer its like "dude your just a drummer" :rofl:

but I dont think matt said anything in his blog that was that bad however...

Matt has always came off to me as someone who has an ego, in the VH1 BTM GNR, he seemed like it was because of him GNR got so big.  But when Scott says Matt can't handle a relationship, let alone having kids .... no offense but does Scott think he's actually a good father figure, he's probably the last guy that should've had kids with all his problems in and out of rehad.

I hate that "separate note" of Scott in the end... it makes me thing if all of this ain?t promotion for STP you know... ::)

Scott should just move on and not insult guys that were pretty loyal to him and very patient.  

HAS MATT EVER FUCKED UP ON DRUMS LIKE SCOTT DOES ON VOCALS??? NO  He is a pro when on stage. Weiland no longer is.  I think Matt's post was pretty tame.  I like matt's background vocals.  Fuck Scott for not handling this face to face.  Matt may be annoying, but the hired gun line was low and on most accounts seems like a very nice guy, especially to the fans.  Scott is such a child.  Is it ever his fault?

its almost like Scott cane to HTGH and looked up all the insults people here throw at Matt :rofl:

Jarmo, VR is now finally living up to the "dangerous" image.... Ha!!! :hihi:

Dangerous? No. Acting like 40+ year old bitches? Yes.

I agree with the hired gun comment hitting below the belt-what defines a hired gun anymore in a band? What band (besides maybe U2, and a few others), has all original members? If that is the case, every band around these days exists of hired hands if they are not original members

Why does Scott always talk about his 35 million albums?  does he not want to mention the 300,000 he just sold of libertad???  Ha!  What an ego maniac.  I always thought for as big as Slash was, he was very humble.  Dave and Duff super humble.  Matt, small ego.  Scott, gigantic Ego.  No Meet and Greets.  Refused to do Izzy songs.  Fuck him.

Weiland had way to much fucking control anyway.  VR could have been a true hard rock outfit.

And how does this contribute to the discussion exactly? other than obviously trying to elicit a reaction from vr fans... ::)

I think it was Matt that caused the Aussi show's to be postponed. It was Scott that caused the reschedualed shows to be canceled. We got unlucky that both went to rehab during our shows!

I'm still suprised at how lame Scott is, posting an attack online instead of dealing with it face to face. Yet he's going on about maturity...

Fucking childish response by Scott, even if I do understand his frustration. I say let him go back to STP is that's where his heart lies. The guys I really feel sorry for are Slash, Duff and Dave-Slash and Duff for being in a shitty situation like this once again, and Dave because he doesn't really have anything to fall back on as far as I know.

As for the people denouncing Scott's talent-you're all fucking idiots. Just because you arent fond of him doesn't mean he's a talentless ponce. Lets leave that for Pete Doherty. Scott's past success speaks for itself.

Ridiculous insult.
I don't like Scott and to me he is not talented. How can you attack someone because of his/her opinion?

VR could have achieved much more with a better singer.

Let's put it like this. I personally can't stand Michael Jackson, but that doesn't mean the guy has no talent.
I wasn't attacking people's opinions of him, but saying 'he isn't talented' (regardless of preference) is a ridiculous statement to make.

hey! Pete Doherty is a very talented man...in many ways.  :)

two little bitches cat fighting over at a site called Blabbermouth-oh the humanity. Slash and Duff need to can these two assholes and call up Mr Stradlin...form a real band. Let Izzy sing. :beer:

I understand you, but still aknowledging someone's talent must have at least a minimum of liking too.
And that's something I am missing as far as Scott is concerned.
I never liked STP and tried to like VR, while Contraband was ok for me, Libertad was really weak.
And I always saw Scott being the one making it nearly impossible to listen to VR.
That's why I can say that I think he is not talented.
But that's not a statement that should make other people think the same way too, it is just a statement to express my opinion.

Scott's vocal range is very limited. The range he does have, he does a lot with, but other than that he has lost a lot with me.  Lyrics?  Not great either.  Greatest moment?  Interstate love song.

I'm still puzzled by what Scott is mad about-Matt singing too loudly on the backing vocals? Scott has admitted suffering from B-Polar depression and is a revovering (?) addict-I'm not putting him down for those things, but he seems to be having a rough year-people suffering from Bi-Polar have extreme cases of feeling very good and very depressed-the last STP show he did he was alomst involved in a fistfight with Dean DeLeo and had to be seperated-and I'm not sure what Matt said about his family that pissed him off-oh well-I will catch them again on the reunion tour when STP fizzes out again-his behavior reminds me of Eddie Van Halen-we hate Roth, Sammy is a brother, no Gary is a brother, we hate Roth and Sammy, Sammy is a brother again, out Sammy, Dave is a brother, Eddie hits rehab-the drama

I think Weiland's just a very difficult person period. I don't think that it would matter what band he was in he eventually would be fighting with the other members. People with Scott's problems never think that they're the wrong or that they might be the problem. They think that it's everyone else.

Scott has been quoted that he refuses medication.  Kinda like some other singer that we all know of.  I remember when they mentioned how Rick Rubin only liked 1 or 2 songs off VRs new material from Libertad.  They refused to listen to him and went with Brendon Obrien.

VR can get a great new singer, get a producer that will push them and make a great 3rd album.  From my understanding the deal they signed was a 3 album deal.  VR needs a new singer and a kick in the ass and they'll be fine.  The DeLeos are song writing machines and I hope STP makes a new record.

Meanwhile, I'll kick back and enjoy the drama and see what takes place.

Scott is better with STP.  VR can revive their career by finding anther singer. 

They will not carry on the name without Scott. They may continue to make music together in another capacity, but it would most certainly be under another name. Even if they legally could carry on with the name I just don't see it, as I don't think that is something Slash/Duff would be comfortable with.

its best to leave the baggage of VR behind and start with a new name

I think it may be a while-Duff might be touring with Loaded this summer if I'm not mistaken, although at the time he said VR was his priority-I would like to hear a Slash solo album he's been talking about with different signers-if they start a new band, although other members of the band have been in rehab before, I'm hoping for a singer who has no history of drug problems, depression, consults psychics, is involved with other bands, or wants to make the greatest record of all time, in other words, shut up and sing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKdcVR1uTd0

heres video of scott saying it

Man, Scott is too tetchy, isn't he? He can't take any offense that goes blasting all over the place! :rant:

And now, what are the chances of this band surviving, just zero!

VELVET REVOLVER Bassist Says 'Exhaustion' Contributed To Australian Tour Postponement - Dec. 7, 2007

When pressed about the nature of illness believed to be affecting two band members, McKagan agreed it was partly due to an exhaustive international tour schedule this year.

"(Exhaustion) has a lot to do with it, it really does. There are a couple of issues health-wise that have been coming to a head and everything will be rectified. These guys are resilient.''

 ???

exactly.
i think this outburst was just triggered by sorum's comments, but in reality was boiling under for quite some time now....sorum was anything but decent towards scott...and after reading about the way he acted towards axl in slash's book...this guy is a real tosser....

i don't really like scott, and never really got obsessed with VR....but i do think that he did try....perhaps not his best...but he did try....no one can blame him for that...he stuck up for his bandmates when he had to...he kept his cool each and every time he was harassed by gnr related questions....which was often....too often....

by doing this and pulling out of the band, he did the right thing...for himself...and for them...

I feel the most for Duff and Dave...those two are literally just innocent bystanders in this whole mess...


i think its a valid question...i would love to know what Slash would have to say about this....considering he is the main man behind VR....how does he feel that his frontman basically decided to call it quits and blame the drummer for it...

Bottom line , Scott is a douche.

Everyone seems to be ignoring the elephant in the room.

Something obviously happened before that show for Scott to go off like he did.

Scott escalates the situation by his rant; bringing up past rehabs is important in the context of what happened at/before the show.

It looks like to me he got called out for using(by Matt?) before the show. His actions are typical of an addict trying to justify/minimize their behavior when busted.

Weiland is such a douchebag.  And most likely still on drugs.  Sorum is a douche too, but it doesn't look like he was trying to aggravate the situation.  Scott just looks so immature.  

An STP reunion is not going to set the world on fire.  It could last a year or two and then Weiland's career is over.
To me, it seems like Slash/Duff were good enough for Weiland when he needed something, and now he discards them and spits on them on his way out to boot.  Asshole.  

Slash is the only one with real star power and in good graces with the industry to continue a successful career.  He needs to make his own "Santana" album, and never mention Weiland again.  This "last tour" is obviously a contractual obligation and that's it.  

We don't know exactly what's going on behind the scenes....

Matt hasn't admitted anything about being in rehab last year that caused the Australian tour to be canceled.



/jarmo

Yeah, well, I'm not surprised about any of them being in rehab at any point in time.  I think it was a stupid mistake of the band when they first got together to talk about their sobriety.  Since then, every member of the band, excluding Dave I think, has been to rehab again! 

It's strange though, about Matt's situation, Weiland alluded to something but wouldn't say what it was.  What more could there be to Sorum going to rehab?

maybe he's a sex addict?!

i dunno the whole situation is messed up but it looked inevitable for the last while.

U gotta try to see Scott's side though

when u are a recovering drug addict and are married with children, Im sure u dont want to have to look at the tempation groupie/drug lifestyle every single night backstage due to Matt.

I think Scott is tired fo being blamed for everything that goes wrong so he was just pointing out Matt's failures and faults.


Scott is a great songwriter,singer and lyricist. Not too many bands in the US can boast the amount of hits he has helped write.

Matt is an OK drummer. He hasn't ever really done anything that has blown me away. just pretty standard basic stuff really.

Scott seems to hit below the belt when it comes to things-Matt was kind of speaking in general terms in his statement, is Scott offended by Matt saying right now some people might miss their famalies? I think it's a case of 2 guys who do not get along and it is all coming to a head in an ugly way-obviously they (Matt and Scott) have not gotten along in a while if you read comments in articles in the last few years

Matt has nothing to do with Scott's addiction-if the temptation of using is too much for Scott to handle, he should not be on the road

Actions speak louder than words. I don't think he is recovering; I think he is trying to cover his ass. I could be wrong, but I don't think so ... we'll see.

im surprised so many are defending Scott here....Matt sorum comes off as a douche at times, and he annoyed me on that "rise of VR" show... but his Blog really seemed tame...it was "damage control" then Scott takes offence and just rails on him...Scotts ditching the band it sounds,for what he feels is "bigger and better" maybe its due to matt sorum, maybe due to the poor reception of the album/tour and the fact that STP is reuniting, who knows...

you can tell he feels hes bigger than VR "ive sold 35million albums, 9 cds" while i agree that sorums career really has just been being a "hired gun" besides VR..I think Weiland is overestimating his own relevance...STP as much as I like them were the Poison/Warrant of the Grunge era...the 2nd tier band kind of copying the others...

if Pearl jam, AIC, Nirvana were never hits I doubt we would be hearing about STP....and if it wasnt for VR he would be known as just a junkie..

in the end its 2 bitchy junkies fighting it out

Its just Matt commented on shit he has no clue about. What does he know about being on the road and missing family and kids?

he doesnt so like Scott said, he has no clue.

Isn't Matt's monkey alcohol? Is he also a junkie?


Maybe he knows more than anyone thinks in relation to this tour.

idk, I always figured Matts drug of choice was Coke...but thats just me..

Its been inevitable that VR is over IMO especially since they announced the STP reunion...Weiland thinks hes going onto bigger and better things and is ready to kick the rest of the guys to the curb....

will be interesting to see the chemistry of these last few shows...I expect them to keep matt/scott FAR apart and their chemestry to be cold....they probably have to finish them because they are contracted to..

STP is bigger and better things.   They had much more success than VR ever had, much more good songs.   

I think the fighting between Matt and Scott is hilarious tho.  :peace:

Missing family and kids is a simple use of words he used to describe people you can love .... I'm sure Matt has people he loves and misses just as much as Scott does.  And I think Matt was 100% in the right in terms of being pretty polite about the situation.  Telling your band , via an audience you're playing a gig to, that you're leaving the band, is a fucking ignorant thing to do.

Matt may not have started GnR, and he may not have started The Cult, but he's a professional player, who for the last 20 years, has been consistently keeping time for some of the best rock bands in the world.  He's an excellent drummer who puts work before anything else.

One other thing ... the groupie lifestyle... so fucking what?  If Scott can't stomach seeing Matt with two chicks on his arm, he should not be there.  It's part and parcel ... just because Scott married some woman, doesn't mean Matt has to be Mr squeeky clean.  He doesn't need to be!  Fuck that...

Oh, you must give us a detailed report as soon as you get home tonight!

We haven't had this much action on the site in awhile!

I think Scott and Matt are about equal rockstars...but if I had to pick sides, I'm def. going with Matt...he's super laid-back and he's way into his fans...where scott is too cool for school.  I mean, who shows up for meet and greets and who doesn't?

So how many shows are left for VR?

Duff excuse that its exhaustion is causing problems doesn't make sense, they haven't toured nearly as much as they did for Contraband

He was covering up the real reason(s).

The TRUTH Rock On!!!!!!




/jarmo

It seems like you're backing Scott, which would be a complete 180 from you.

I think that Duff quote is irrelevant, but I'm sure Scott will mention something at the show tonight.

I hope not many.  I'm actually just happy that Scott can get away from all the "nutbag" fans of the whole GNR/VR universe.  The people who have crucified him from day one for stepping into an already created universe and treading on the water.  Scott is far too experienced in this business to be talked about like he "never accomplished anything" or was nothing more than a one hit wonder.  The dude has his problems, like everyone else.  Slash, Duff, Matt have all had/still having issues with rehab/drugs so no one can truly cast stones.  But really, STP's reunion will not "fail"  It would have happened sooner if the farce that was VR never went down.  
To those who claim STP were never anything.......out of their five studio albums Core went 8x platinum, Purple went 6x, Tiny Music went 2x and No.4 went 1.  Shangri-la-di-da went gold.  The music was far better than what Alice in Chains was doing and the direction they were going.  As far as labeling them as grunge...that's just ridiculous.  Core was the only album that really exhibited grunge sound and even then only a few songs  at best on it.  Just like Pearl Jam they were more alternative than anything, especially on the later albums.  And you can take that from someone who grew up during the late 80's/early 90's rock and grunge era who was actually around to listen to the music.
To those who say Scott went overboard....I'm sure he felt that was the step he need to take.  After the Slash debaucle at a certain unmentionable's house (which Weiland was only defending him on the rant against unmentionable and it later turns out to be true), Sorum's other subtle hints and the numerous little things that have popped up over the past few months, I'm glad he was able to get what he need off his chest.  Matt Sorum is a douche and maybe someday a grand piano will fall on him and the irony could bestow itself.

Am I one of the few that REALLY hopes this band can work things out??

I have to actually agree with Scott on the whole Matt Sorum trying to sing thing.

There is no VR without Scott Weiland. I love Slash and Duff, don't get me wrong, but Scott is a BIG reason these guys are back in the limelight.

I wouldnt read too much into who says what and who says what with 100% truth.
Its pretty transparent with both of these press releases,  that the 2 of them have been at loggerheads for a while and now their arguments are spilling over into juvenile public attacks on each other, both determined to make themselves look superior to the other.

If I was in the band I wouldnt let either one of these clowns near a keyboard.


It looks like the writing is on the wall anyway, but I hope the other guys stay together and put something else together.

Incidently I seem to remember way back in the early days of VR matt seemed to be causing tension with his free spirited, groupie and substance loving ways, when the other guys had families and were recovering from addictions.

sorry if this is a little off-topic but WDR ROCKPALAST will broadcast (parts of) the upcoming VR/March 29th 2008 -Cologne, Germany-show on May 2nd 2008.
IF this ever happens it might be very interesting to have one of the probably last VR shows ever -well, for now at least- being documented in high quality video.

source (official ROCKPALAST website):

Donnerstag auf
Freitag, 02.05.2008
0.25 - 3.25 Uhr
im WDR Fernsehen  Rockpalast
22. ROCKNACHT
mit VELVET REVOLVER
GOOD CHARLOTTE
JOLLY GOODS
(Palladium K?ln am 29.03.08)

http://www.rockpalast.de/sendetermine/?jahr=WDR

If he would've said it like that than I wouldn't have called him out on it 'cause it's a valid question, Sadly he didn't....




Nah he just hates Matt more  ;)





In the states maybe but over here? don't think so...

If STP were to come here they won't even be able to play the venues vr are playing right now...

Not really.

I'm only interested in seeing if these guys can actually tell the truth.


Matt making comments about cancellations, Scott saying one was due to Matt being in rehab, Duff covering that up by saying it was exhaustion.


Why should I believe that this is the first time these band members have covered things up?

It's all part of their act.






/jarmo

No, I hope they do, or at least that VR can continue without Weiland, there's a kickass album in these guys, perhaps it needs a different singer to bring it out.


He really isn't, Slash is the reason this band's ever been in the limelight. He's the biggest name in the band by far, they could have hired any singer they wanted when VR started and the buzz would have been the same. After that who knows, the songs would presumably have been different and from there the level of success would have changed.

Righty-o......they could have been as big as Slash's Snakepit 2000!!  Or perhaps even bigger....maybe big enough to sell-out the House of Blues in Dallas, TX...which Snakepit couldn't do.

Once again...people are totally clueless.  Weiland is a big part of VR's success.  It certainly wasn't Slash's extremely boring guitar licks on Contraband that brought me to the table.  VR was only successful because of the supergroup tag they were labeled with and the little buzz they got by whoring themselves out to VH1.  That's it.....they were nothing more than another Audioslave.  Sub-par music by big named acts.

When talking about the states you're probably right but when you're talking about most european countries it wouldn't have made a difference if scott were the singer or anyone else...

So it would seem that you might be the clueless one...

Bill, they weren't as good as Audioslave.... ;D

STP are nothing here in europe, i actually had to google for "Scott Weiland" when he was announced to be the singer of 3 Ex-GN'R members Slash, Duff and Matt in the "new supergoup" Velvet Revolver. and i have seen the old band live and have been around all the time when all the grunge thing happened.

the GN'R vma'02 performance, the tour cancellation 2002 and silence after that somehow pushed a lot interest in what the other old members could bring on the table when they decided to put a new band together....and that also was their main success in selling Contraband albums. the music itself and the bad libertad sales simply say that the music couldnt mess with the huge hype being created when VR formed.

I'm not very high on VR's musical output, but Audioslave sucked some hairy nuts as well.

I think what's unfortunate is that STP gets slagged hard b/c Weiland isn't very likable.  The Deleos deserve much more respect than they get, especially in Europe, but could never tour and build a fanbase there due to Weiland's inability to stay off the junk.  Robert Deleo is an amazing song writer and bassist.

why not take up this shit in Private instead of so publically?!

Audioslave sucked, and Chris left the band because of the money. The brothers Deleo need Scott and vice-versa, STP was a great band, mainly their 3 last albums.

When I said VR was over I meant the name, but of course that I'm hoping for the guys to get a new singer, change the name, as keeping with the name would be a mistake, like the mistake that is GNR, and with another name and singer they can still rock!

Get Cornell now.  Please.

No more of this shit.  Classic Fucked up Scott with VR.........  I filmed this by the way...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N05ldbQ2l38

Pot - Kettle - Black     ::)

Some not to far time ago, I do remember you attending VR gigs in London and were very excited about their tours and would defend them and rocked out to their concerts.  Now just because words are mixed between people who are actually in the band ( and once again, you come across as this time , a band member in VR).  I mean come on.  Where do you get this?  Who are you to decide if they are covering up things or who's telling the truth.  It's between the members of VR.  You pull this same shit when talking about GNR and once again, you in this thread, have to act like Axl's "protector" or spokesperson and you are not.  D happens to be a long time poster on this board who ruffles your reality and you fault him for it.  You are the only one to be faulted here. 

i agree, totally. i have noticed he does this in all of these threads. first hes in gnr, then hes in vr. amazing talent!

Look who's back attacking me instead of sticking to the topic.



Well, I've got news for you: You're fucking banned.


Everything in your post I've addressed in the past, but for you it's personal.

You've attacked me for the last time.


The fact that this person registered in December 2006, almost two years after those VR shows I attended , and "remembers me attending VR shows" speaks volumes about her/him. It's just another person using an account to try to discredit and attack me for personal reasons.





This is for "lakersaregreat": http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=32648.msg1054804#msg1054804



/jarmo

Hey, look!  A story about what this thread is supposed to be talking about!   :beer:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/03/21/velvet-revolver-on-the-verge-of-breaking-up/

Unfortunately, I can't really say any of this surprises me.  There has been noticeable (and self-admitted) Matt-Scott tension almost since the band got started; it's just too bad this had to happen so publicly.  One can only speculate on all that has happened behind closed doors to lead to such personal attacks through the media.  To me, VR was never able to surpass the legacies of member's original bands, and - while I wished them the best - was always disappointed in the end results.  Just an opinion, of course, and I'm sure it's premature of me to be speaking of VR in the past tense....we'll see how this plays out.

the band were on fire 2nite on all acounts from what im told.

Slash is the big star in the band in the worldwide picture.

Scott isn't as big outside the US as he's there.


But what people forget is that a lot of the media is based in the US. So by having him in the band a lot of people got to read/hear about VR that maybe wouldn't have otherwise.

Plus there were the arrests and rehab etc. that the media obviously loved writing about which caused more publicity for the band.


It's like if Pete Doherty started a new band with some other guys.  ;)




/jarmo

Yeah Slash and Duff starting a new band period is going to generate buzz but with Scott it gave a other wise non-interested audience a shot at the band. I think Scott was a decent front man , honestly I feel as if people are over-hyping STP. They where never that BIG as of a band , I'd take PJ , AIC , Soundgarden etc over STP. A couple songs where decent and thats about it. I'm not sure if anyone pointed this out but at the last show(s??) there are some pictures of Scott without his wedding ring possibly meaning martial problems coupled with band issues frustrating him to a point where he bursts. Either way I think he over-reacted Scott may have been a good frontman but he was certainly the weakest link of the band,

You can't have a go at them for 'not telling the truth' about rehab. Alot of people wouldn't want something personal, such as rehab, public knowladge. As far as critisizing Duff for 'covering up' is a joke. It's not up to him to disclose personaly information about his band mates like that, with out their wishes. He took the high road for their privacies sake. All part of their act? What is, wanting privacy?
You act like they owe you sonething, that you're entitled to their personal information or something.

Thank You

Finally someone who shares my view.

Audioslave were horrible, VR destroys them in every single way

Chris Cornell has like one vocal melody and is probably the only guy who writes worse lyrics than Weiland.


VR are a great band, STP are amazing. If u are in Europe and have never heard of them, u should. Especially if u can get past the Weiland hate and just listen without prejudice. they are an awesome Rock Band. My Favorite from that era.

Check out these hits:

"Plush:
"Interstate Love Song"
"Lady Picture Show"
"Trippin on A Hole In A Paper Heart"
"Sex Type Thing"
" Creep"
"Dead and Bloated"
"Sour Girl"
"Big Bang Baby"

and my personal favorite and one of the greatest songs from the 90's

Big Empty



The new song they put on the greatest hits "All In The Suit That You Wear" is awesome as well.

U have a torrent engine, USE IT!!



Matt is nowhere near the rock star level Scott is. thats ridiculous.

I went to watch VR to see Duff and Slash and honestly, I couldnt stop watching SCott the whole time.

Here is the guitar god that changed my life and made me pick up a guitar but I barely watched him for more than a few seconds cause of Scott.


As for the Jarmo/VR thing, He checked them out but I don't personally ever remember him being a huge fan or anything. I think he was curious to see what it was all gonna be like. This is a GNR site so Jarmo is or was a fan of Slash/Duff at some point. So he checked out what they were doing and gave it a chance and didn't really like it.

So its not like he was a huge supporter that all of a sudden changed his mind due to events that happened.


Still, VR were a success for what it was worth. I dont think they would've had any with the other options.

As I said over doing it , Scott was nothing more than a frontman of a successful 90's band who had some hits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltc5EsuyBh4 Scott will NEVER be able to touch Cornell's vocal power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmxaFf-lpZY 5:30 , jesus mother of god no way can he do that!

Scott needs to check his facts , or maybe he was so doped out he forget that "
 STP canceled most of their 1996-1997 tour in support of their third release, Tiny Music... Songs from the Vatican Gift Shop causing the album to fall flat quickly on the charts."  after his probation sentence for buying coke.

Also when touring for 12 bar blues he got caught buying Heroin thus ending his short "tour"

Feel The Burn

This is where we differ.

I dont honestly care how much "range" or technical ability someone has.

There are tons of guitar players who can play faster and have way more "technical Ability" than Slash but can't hold Slash's pick in all the areas of guitar playing that matter.

Same with vocalist.
I dont care how "Powerful" or high a guy can sing.  If we were going on that criteria then everyone should be the biggest Myles Kennedy fan on the planet *singer of Alter Bridge* Judging by your criteria he'd be a better singer than Jon Bon Jovi or Eddie Vedder and we know that isn't so.


Singing isn't about how powerful or high u can sing.

I think Anthony Kiedis is an amazing vocalist and I have a higher range than he does. But for me it isnt about a range or any other measurable quality.



Chris has a more powerful voice than Scott, but I think Scott is a better songwriter, has way more melody and sings a lot more hooks and has more emotion and "IT" quality than Cornell.

Great, another one who thinks it's personal.  : ok:


Fine, keep your rehab stints to yourself, but remember that if you start attacking others for it, things might come out.

People in glass houses....


This band has always done the same. They go to rehab and act like everything is fine, then basically say "oh by the way, we were in rehab. Hahaha".

Like it's some kind of joke or no big deal.




Those of you wanting to discuss Weiland's vocal range compared to other singers, do so in the right section.  : ok:




/jarmo

.... Scott wasn't some type of amazing lyricist if re listen to temple of the dog , tell me that isn't raw emotion. One of the best vocal displays I've ever seen but anyways to each is their own.

For me, I dont understand how bands can have these huge blowups and issues. I think Scott tolerated Matt cause he had to and now he has STP back he doesn't have to anymore. So he is going out with a bang.

I figured in this day and age, everyone would be doing the Motley Crue route. Everyone has their own bus, dressing room, they only interact onstage and can go to their own areas afterwards.

How much do Scott and Matt really have to interact?

Why not put Matt's dressing room on the opposite side of Scott's?

Personally, and I dont know Matt sorum but just from interviews and hearing him speak and seeing his actions, I can totally understand where he could rub someone the wrong way.

I remember his completely cheesy scenes in "Fall To Pieces"

U got this amazing emotional video with Duff and Scott etc and then u see Sorum double kissing two chicks and it just looks ridiculous.

So lets base our opinions of people off music videos? GENIUS!

Anyways if you think a band can function in the "motley crue" fashion you are very wrong. You have to interact to be a band , you function as a unit not as 5 individuals. Dressings rooms , tour buses etc do not matter how can you write a record with someone you despise? You can't.

drummers dont write records!! :hihi:  and frankly, the "motley crue" way is how MOST bands who can afford it tour nowadays...Van Halen is doing that as well..

doesnt mean that they arent interacting during the day...because they do they just arent in eachothers face 24/7 on a bus together...

Wow ... if you didn't get the joke in that, you really need to step back and think about it some more :)

The sorum in the video isnt all I am basing my shit on.


The way he acted in that "Rise of VR" show. the mentioned BTM.

"whats with the piano" What a cocksmoke.

I went to confront so and so Yeah right, sure u did.

Ok imagine this

You are a rock drummer , who has just seen Guns N Roses circa 1988-89 playing AFD they ask you to join the band. What the hell do you expect from them? Not a piano and NR , I don't understand what the hell was wrong with that comment. He joined a band that was straight ahead rock n roll , sleazy and dirty of course he didn't expect a piano based song.  Scott is the no show at greets , he has canceled tours due to his addiction , he is the problem not Matt.

cant we agree that both scott/Matt can act like Douches sometimes??

Im not a huge fan of Matt but I dont see what he did wrong here...he put out a damage control statement and then Scott flips out at him..

So I'm not about to go through 10 pages of bickering, did anyone say why Matt went to rehab - I figured it was a sex thing, probably jacking too much - but anyway, to address an earlier Jarmo post . . .


Hell ya, brother, I AM Waiting for the next Matt project.

And my next beer.

Heh.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

They're talking about this right now on camp freddy radio 103.1

The theme of the show tonight is "Battle of the Punk Bands...U.S. vs. U.K"...but callers are calling in and asking about the incident.

Matt is a much more solid reliable drummer than Scott is a singer.  I like Scott.  I think he was a good frontman in STP.  But in VR he was very contrived.  He was never himself. 

i havnt heard dave or billy mention the incident????
but matt may be calling in.....

I've always felt that too, it seems like they were never comfortable together. The same old story, Scott was the right man on the wrong place! And to be honest to the truth, Scott indeed was responsible for them cancelling the STP '96 tour.

Matt updated his website but really nothing about "Scott's statement"...

03.22.08

Hey friends,
After the last couple of days, and all the craziness Had a really cool surprise, Robert Plant came into our dressing room and we had a nice sit down with him for a least an hour. Its so weird, even though here I am playing in bands for all these years and meeting so many famous musicians and people. This was really a highlight. What a great guy. Have met him before when I was with the Cult. He came to a show at Manchester Apollo. As well as last time with VR there. Tonight was just cool and more intimate I guess We just shot the shit. A few road stories and he told me he wrote Black Country Woman about a girl that was from the area we were playing in called Wolverhampton. Wow, trivia from the man himself. His son was in the opening band and Dad was playing roadie for the night. The band is called Aura and they were young and rockin. Very blues based alot like Zep. Also on the bill is Scott Ians band with his girl Pearl, another kid of rockstar Meatloaf. Awesome singer and great performer. Cool to hang with Scott , good friend and cool dude. So pretty cool night all in all. Got more good news from LA after getting on the bus on the way back to Birmingham. Mike Inez from Alice in Chains went in my new clothing store and bought one of my leather jackets. Like I said Keepin the Rock alive and very well.
I?ll keep u posted my friends, Matt

Photos: http://www.mattsorum.tv/channel/2008/03/22/hangin-backstage-with-mr-robert-plant/

Hopefully Matt won't respond to what Scott said. I admit I like reading dirt like that as much as the next guy but if they're gonna pull the plug on VR I say just do it and try to save some face.

Okay be honest here, do you REALLY think that's how it went down.  You really think Matt just up and said, "Whoa, I just saw these guys play and they're so hardcore...they're really rock 'n roll....I'm going to join this band immediately."  You don't think he listened to what material they already had knocked out from UYI sessions? You don't think the band told him as he was coming in......"hey man, not to shock you, but we're going to bring a piano out and trumpeteers and back up vocalists...gonna step it up a notch?"  Then Matt is like, "hey man, I know I've only been here 20 minutes, but this is crazy....what's with the piano, don't make me confront you!" If Matt didn't like the piano and shit, he had more than ample enough time to walk away from the situation before even touching a stick to the skin.
But NO...Matt's little hands were shaking from all that money he was going to pocket from that piano driven music.  He went along for the ride as any hired gun does and lived the lifestyle that he was finally afforded.  Then when the time came for him to piss off, he gets bitter and now all of a sudden he's boo-hooing about it.  Go back and watch the Making of the Videos and see how excited he was back then.  Bit of an attitude change since he's no longer in the band. 
And wow, no showing a "Meet and Greet" that charges fans outrages prices to stand in front of the band for a few seconds.  How un-capitalistic and rock n roll like of Scott.  ::)  Those Meet and Greets are the biggest crock of shit out there today.  For all we know, Scott could totally be against them for all the right reasons.

Agree 100 percent Bill

SCott could be kind of protesting those sorts of things cause they are a rip.

Hmmmm, a conflict between a lead singer and a drummer. If difference cannot be mended and the band has a will to survive, perhaps there is only one option. Should be pretty obvious; VR is not hanging onto Keith Moon or John Bonham here.

But, hanging onto the lead singer is not an option if the singer does not want to be hung onto.  This could be it for VR regardless because of the reemergence of STP.

Ali

With Ali on this one, Weiland wants out and has STP waiting in the wings. 

He's clearly the one who holds all the cards.

On top of that, I don't see any scenario where Matt would be "let go", that just will not happen.

Yes sir.  I agree with that last point as well.  Matt will not be let go.  He was part of the foundation of this band.  You take away part of the foundation, and the entire house of VR will come crumbling down.

Unfortunate as it is, it may be time to consider other options at the frontman slot.

Ali

If that is truly the case, then I too agree. Scotty's gotta go.

But if sometime in the future, the question of VR comes up again, perhaps the eviction of Sorum needs to be introduced as a carrot to get Scott back. I have a hard time believing that Sorum is a vital component. I just don't hear it in these albums.

You know what's going to be interesting?  When STP do their tour, I'm sure they will be doing some press, Weiland will be asked about what went down with VR nonstop.  Knowing his lack of self-control, I'm awaiting some more juicy quotes.  Also, if he is still screwed on drugs, which is likely, the DeLeo's aren't going to deal well with that for very long either. 

damn it, why haven't sorum responded yet, i guess some reasonable person has talked to him :-\
 :hihi:

Sorum isnt goin anywhere, he'll be right by slash and duff for a while yet wheather it be VR or another project because he has that chemistry with them that made VR in the first place not Scott...

It'll never happen, period.

Sorum's initial call to Slash and Duff for the Randy Castillo benefit was the catalyst for them playing together again, without that there would have been no VR to speak of.

As for his playing, like him or not he's one of the most respected guys in the business and has a resume second to none.

Never really got the Sorum haters, he came to GNR at a time when they needed it and seems to have made ammends with Axl since then with their visit in NYC a couple years back.  Opinions
are split on him with Cult fans as well, some see him as a mercenary and others credit him with
getting Ian and Billy back together in '99.

Exactly, that just sums it up...

Chemistry?  maybe Slash/Duff/Matt need to look in the mirror ... if you always think it's the other guy's fault, then it's usually you that's the problem.

home, woooo LOL.

I guess since hes gotta work with scott a few more shows hes avoiding postin anymore shit about it till later?

Maybe it's his persona/image/comments that people react to?

He sure seems like a two-faced egoist. He acts like everything is fine until there's a camera or journalist present.


He always seemed to have a chip on his shoulder about the fact that he was "just a replacement" drummer until VR.



I don't see Slash continuing to work with Matt the day VR is done. How many of his previous band mates has he kept working with?

Gilby was in GN'R and then moved onto Snakepit1. But he wasn't in the second version.

So I don't think that Matt will necessarily be in Slash's next project.



Duff seems pretty disinterested in the band so maybe he'll focus on something else too.




/jarmo

maybe chemistry isnt the best word...but History for sure....why would they ditch someone they have known/been friends with for 15years....for a lead singer theyve known for a few and have had tension with to begin with??

The whole reason Slash Duff and Matt really wanted to make Velvet Revolver was because they rekindled their old "chemistry", which I think they now might have with Dave too. There's no guarantee that the band is done, nor is there any that the other guys hate each other, in fact, they all seem to be on good terms with each other, its really Scott thats the problem (LSD rears its head once more).

If the VR is done, they can easily find a new lead singer and even change the band name to not upset some fans and free them of having to play some of the songs.

because they seem to have "tension" with everyone they work with when the three of them are working together for more than a one-off gig.

even in the VH1 show they did (I think it was called something like "Rise of VR"), they said that none of the other singers they tried were a good fit for them and they had issues with Scott from even before the word go.

like I said before ... if you always think it's the other guy who's at fault then it's usually you that's the problem.

So, does anyone else think Scott is... right? Atleast for this once.
I kinda feel sad for him for not thinking before saying, but he seems to be pretty truthful. I hope this is the end of VR, cause how could they ever write a decent album after controversy like this, they sure can't be in the same room ever again.

Hopefully Duff & Slash will continue their course together, and choose their future bandmates more wisely. These "supergroups" never seem to work, they should just team-up with some talented less known people.

Maybe so, that stuff's just never bothered me.


I've never really seen that, or maybe just not paid enough attention to let it affect my opinion on him.


Could be, he has mentioned always "being the guy replacing the guy" more than once
and he seemed to take real pride in the fact he was with VR from the get go


Well, beyond Duff and Slash, he's had two separate stints with The Cult 10 years apart.
He continues to work with Billy Morrison in Camp Freddy who was also a Cult bandmate
in the "Beyond Good and Evil" era.  I know Chris Wyse has used his studio on his OWL project
as well.


I'd expect if Slash's next project includes Duff, Matt will be a part as well.  If not, who knows.
He's not gonna have any trouble finding work, thats for sure.


I get that same feeling, he just seems numb to the drama and in need of a break.

Sorry, should've been clearer. I meant Slash.

How many former band members did he bring along to the next project?


Slash started working again seriously with Duff and Matt after years.

That's why I don't think he'll bring both of them with him to the next one.





/jarmo

It appears to me from scotts post that he is done with VR...and is moving on to his main band STP....I dont see them dumping matt whom is a friend of them..

they picked scott IMO for one reason...he was the most relevant at the time....I dont think its a coincidence that they picked him and he happened to be the biggest at the time....its backfired on them....and I figured at some point Scott would bail and go to STP...it was inevitable

he very well may not...but Duff seemed very Vocal in his interview that no one band member defines them and that He/slash/Matt will continue to make music together....whether its under the VR moniker or under something different....

those 3 working together is their only chance at success outside of GNR..unless they want to stick to playing clubs

the band Velvet Revolver is dead....but slash/Duff collaborating in the future under a different moniker isnt...

Wow, I go for a weekend off and look at all the shit that's happened. :o

im gonna repost what i said on the vr forum after last nights show.....

same setlist as the rest of the tour......scott was a different guy....really and i mean really crowd interactive-going in all the time and holding hands with fans.
they screwed up brownstone and restarted and scotts mike went once or twice.
sorum didnt look happy one bit and everytime scott went near him he looked away.
was nice seeing scott ian  be kill it with the support band pearl.....they were awesome!
i do believe VR  are a spent force and i will not be going to brixton-its just not right.

if anything the guys are playing up to it......they were boo'd last nite for being late and theres definalty stuff going on.
even people with all access passes were not allowed backstage unless escorted-now thats strange.....
dont bank on the brixton shows being "emotional" theyr going through the motions now and its obvious.....theyr doing their set with minimal interaction between songs and gettin off stage as quick as possible....shame really but after all the shit the fans deserve to know whats gone on especially as they brought us into this.

So sorum was pissed huh?! Wonder if all this is mendable at all... With those egos involved i think not...

I hate to say this, but this made my fuckin' easter. All this drama is very entertaining and it's good that it doesn't have anything to do with gn'r... VR just became a notch more interesting and i can't wait for the next review...

Am i an asshole for enjoying this? huh well...

interresting stuff gnr2k6.. wonder why scott acted that way towards the crowd, could be 'cuz he knew how things would go, i dunno who to root for since i don't really like any one of the 2 :P


you know you don't hate to say that :hihi:

I think Gilby wasn't in Snakepit 2 because I remember reading in interviews that he wanted to play lead guitar in a band-I think he would always give the line of "they already have a lead guitarist"-I think he said this about VR and a few other bands also-Duff is starting Loaded back up, and while I liked the first Snakepit album, I though the second one was really bad-I think Slash is a great guitarist, but I think needs a great producer or great surrounding cast to make a great album-not a knock on Slash, I feel the same about Eddie Van Halen (see Van Halen 3, which he co-produced)-it will be interesting to see what they do, I think VR needs a long break-money and reunion tours have a way of bringing egos back together, so who knows about the future

Jarmo, are you a Weiland fan now? 

Not at all.

But when you have two ass clowns in the same band having a go at each other, it doesn't mean you have to take the drummer's side just because he was in your favorite band once.

After all the "we're a gang" acting, in my opinion we're now seeing at least some of the real characters in that band.





/jarmo

Has blabbermouth find out why matt had to go to rehab yet?

Weren't the original Australian dates after the cancelled japan tour? it was reported that Velvet Revolver  had visa problems due to the backgrounds of its various members including arrests. and the band said they didn't understand why the authorities wouldn't give them visas then unlike in 2005.

I must admit I'm not a fan of any of them :P
but I think it would suck if the people you had to take all the blame for acted like they were bigger guys than you.

Yes, Japan was canceled due to visa issues and the Australian tour was re-scheduled for health reasons.

But Weiland was arrested in late November so who knows if that had anything to do with these tours being canceled....




/jarmo

And that makes you look like an idiot ... because his blog was FAR from a 'lashing out' statement ...

he was polite and just updated the fans in his own words.

Scott was the twat who threw his fucking toys out of the pram!  I love VR... and I'm sad that it's come to this ... but I guess that's life.

I'll still follow what they all do ... except Scott.  I just don't care about STP.  They bored me then, and they'll probably bore me now.

so does the process in order go like this?

1 japan tour cancelled

2 scott arrested

3 Australia tour postponed (health reasons /matt in rehab?)

4 rescheduled Australian tour got cancelled (scott in rehab)

Who do you think this was aimed at:

Unfortunatly some people in this business don?t realize how great of a life they have.

and

Everybody could see who was unhappy lastnight but all I can say is Let?s keep the Rock alive people!!!!




Yeah, a quick search gives the following timeline of events:

November 16: Japan canceled
November 21: Scott arrested
November 29: Australia postponed
February 11: Australia canceled




/jarmo

i guess the question on everyone's minds right now is what's gonna happen to camp freddy... will Matt and Scott find peace in their heart to do the occasional jam in LA... one can only hope  :hihi:

Time for Slash to bust out the CD made with Izzy and get a hot lead singer to singe Izzy's lyrics and put the album out as the 3rd album.

matt might have been arrested too or something sometime before November 16.
but apparently only scot incurred blame for the cancellation. he alone was always blamed.

See, the thing is, though, some celebrities still like to keep their stints in rehab private.  Of course, having an accident while under the influence of something and ending up with court dates (again) is kind of a public thing.  So, who do you think people are going to blame when a tour is postponed a week after that incident?         

Some photos from the Manchester show...Slash, Duff and some of Matt singing...

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=1&language=en-US&family=editorial&p=velvet%20revolver&src=quick

yea and I'm not saying scott was blameless. but did his band mates stand up for him?

Yes, Jarmo, you're absolutely right ... it was aimed at Scott ... but hardly lashing out and having a go!  Jeez, there's a distinct difference between insulting and putting someone down (Scott did plenty in his statement), and simply telling the fans that there were some conflicts in the band that night due to a specific member being unhappy.

Sorry, but while perhaps Matt shouldn't have put the post up, it was very very very very very tame compared to how Scott lashed out.

maybe Matt finally realised that his place is behind the drums, and not in the front, leading the band.

Tame? Possibly.


Do you honestly think Scott reacted that way only because of the blog post?





/jarmo

Why did Scott take so long to start dressing cool?  He actually looks cool in those pics.  Hmmm.... 

I am looking forward now.  When does the new singer join?

Second to none?

Josh Freese
Dave Grohl
Victor Indrizzo
Bill Rieflin.

And how about John Tempesta?



Just to name a few..

I think they're all in the same league resume' wise, without question.

Some here (and in Cult circles as well) let their personal feelings about Matt cloud their judgement on just how respected the guy is among his peers.

Well, at least he can sell leather jackets to the grunge era.

That'd be akin to selling flannel shirts to the Sunset Strip era  :yes:

I would think that they would issue a statment of some kind...some of this press is getting :-[

From MTV

Velvet Revolver Breaking Up? Scott Weiland Seems To Think So, Even If Rest Of Band Isn't Sure

From tmz

Velvet Revolver: Gravedancing?

From Spinner

Velvet Revolver Falling to Pieces?

From Stereogum

Velvet Revolver Breakup Via Bitchy Blog Posts

From All headline news

It looks like it may have been news to the rest of the group. Band mates Slash, Duff McKagan, Matt Sorum and Dave Kushner just gasped and looked at each other in utter confusion after Weiland dropped the bombshell and stormed offstage.

I think they knew....they probably arent gonna say anything because matt already tried and got that rant...probably just finish the dates...and we wont hear anything until Scott does interviews for STP and lets it fly...

Hey man, keep the rock alive!!!!!!!!!!1!!1!one!121eelven!1111!1!11annoyingdrumsolo!11

How did you get that from what I said ?  Matt's never tried to 'lead' the band ... he sings backing vocals and drums.  But ... if you wanna be picky ... some might say he IS the leader ... because the drums are the main instrument for which the band works to :P






Oh, no doubt Scott is pissed at stuff behind the scenes ... but ... have the fans seen that?  No.  Therefore, he just made himself look like a fucking idiot to the rest of the world.  He shouldn't be such a fucking moron when it comes to saying shit in public.  He doesn't just say stuff that comes over as a little silly ... he says stuff that comes over as fucking intense!  He needs to take a break and chill out some ;)

matt didn't mention scott's personal life, just said it's hard being away from family.


couldn't tour for an STP album because he was too fucked.

scott has made 9 records
matt has made 11 (13 if you include live era and greatest hits)

i think that if anyone cares to check, matt's discography would out sell scotts by some way.


only 1 tour cancelled?

wonder what half of europe has to say about that, and the people who wanted to see him on his 12bar blues tour, or the tiny music tour.
aussie tour was in the winter not fall.



ego and jealousy, interesting one.

Slash is the man people go to see, especially in europe where 90% of the people couldn't give a shit about STP.

and scott needs to realise backing vocals are there for a reason, and that is because he can't sing multiple layered lines himself.

------------------------------

and one last point the band were never "a gang" they have always been split slash, duff, dave & matt on one side of it and scott doing his own thing on the other

Not in public.

Remember how apparently Matt was trying to get Scott a private plane so he could get to Utah?

How Duff helped him to beat the addiction? Just two examples of actions that were used to portray the image of them being a gang.

Revolver magazine June 2004 Issue No.26


Velvet Revolver Band Bio



/jarmo

well considering all the lies and stupidity in that rant quotes from scott aren't going to convince me VR were ever a gang.

It wasn't meant to convince you.

Just showing you that they have been saying it themselves in the press and, according to Scott, he thought they were one once upon a time.....



/jarmo

well if anyone knows a junkie's mind its one who has travelled the path. I'm sure that duff and slash understand what he is going through and were of some help to him back then when he was trying to get clean..i'm still not gonna count them out until its official  :peace:

fair point, the guy is still an idiot though.

Official?

The shit hit the fan, officially....


I hope you have that attitude regarding every other band you listen to......





/jarmo

well sometimes when people have a chance to settle down then things sort themselves out

i have loads of other bands i listen to that have weathered the storms

Megadeth were all but down and out when mustaine hurt himself, then they came back
Bush was over now it appears that Gavin Rossdale is goign to attempt a comeback in the next year or so
Candlebox disbanded only to reform just recently
not that i'm fond of it but AIC and Blindmelon are back together
Rage is back together now
STP broke up and are gonna tour this summer

hell even Van Halen, Sabbath, PinkFloyd, the Police and Zeppelin managed to put differences aside and perform again (I just hope that VR dont take as long to get shit sorted out as those guys :hihi:

if its jsut words then its easy to forgive, its not like sorum and weiland had a fist fight (that we know of anyway) but matt and scott are definately polar opposites they even had problems during touring of Contraband...i thihnk they just need a break from each other

difference is, VH, the police etc. actually had BIG $$ to get back together...VR was a sinking ship, a supergroup gimmick...and now scotts jumping ship...

nomatter what they say to the press "were not a supergroup, were a gang" they never last....I dont think youll see VR reunite...just like you wont see Audioslave reunite...theres no real purpose for supergroups to reunite...people are interested for the first cd because of the hype...and slowly they just forget about it...

Scotts moving onto STP which is bigger., and if you notice the "im on my 9th" that would make you assume they are working on a new STP album...

Or, it could be including his solo album, which would give 9 total records.  6 STP records (including Thank You) + 12 Bar Blues + 2 VR Records.

Ali

More likely he means 5 STP records, 1 solo record, 2 VR records and he's working on his ninth:  his second solo record.

My guess is we will hear something when the tour is over but for now...

At press time, the band's rep had not responded to MTV News' request for comment, and there's no official word on the VR site

and

Is this the beginning of the end? A rep publicist for the band kept mum when we (TMZ) asked.

To be honest, I was never a fan of VR, but if they do call it quits at least some of the younger fans got a chance to see Slash and Duff play together live.

It depends on how you want to interpret his definition of a record.  Is it a release, period, or is it a release of all original material?  Is it what has been officially released?  In that case solo album number 2 does not merit consideration as it has not been released as of yet.

Ali

Yeah I'm pretty happy about that. I'm 23 and have been a fan of Slash and Duff since I was about 10. I have been to see VR 5 times and it's been a great thrill to see two of my childhood heroes as far as musicians go on stage. If anything I'm glad VR lated a while so I could do that.

How many times has Scott went off in the press about a bandmember?


I think Matt has been grating on his nerves for years and he finally exploded.


I think we all have that one guy or friend in our life who just gets on your fuckin nerves. someone who knows it all and are too cool for the room and are just annoying.

That seems like Matt to me. Every interview I've ever seen of the guy he drives me fuckin crazy, I couldnt imagine having to be around the guy all the time.


I am absolutely on Scott's side with this. Cause for Scott to go off that way, Matt had to do something.

Scott is just really not a "guy's guy".  And Matt is.  Matt likes to have fun, meet girls, and have sex.  He also will drink a beer and cut up with his band mates.  Scott is as fun and easy going. Even Slash said he isn't the type of guy you sit around and have a beer with.  So really he isn't friendly.  But Matt is.  Matt may be a dooshe, but he would be much better to chill with than Artsy Fartsy Weiland. 

Everything you mentioned is basically things that happen "after work" so to speak.

The subject mentions the words ego and jealousy. I wouldn't be surprised if those are related to "work issues".




/jarmo

I think that may lead to a bad working environment.  If you don't personally like the people you work with, sometimes it doesn't matter.  As you see here, sometimes it does.  Also, in America, they encourage team building, and hanging out after work to build a bond with coworkers.  When you have 4 guys hanging together and another being to "busy" to do that, it can create tension. 

I thought I heard something once of Matt's groupie scene backstage and how Scott didnt want his wife and daughter to see that stuff or maybe that scene backstage causes conflict with Scott and his wife cause maybe it makes her jealous.

That's true.

My point was, you don't have to have the same "hobbies" to be in a band or work together. ;)

I just suspect that it might be more about stuff that happened that were related to their music. Writing, live performances or something like that.


For example. If a tour is canceled because of one guy's activities outside work, the others might get annoyed.




/jarmo

That whole statement doesn't set well with me.  I hate the label supergroup (and supergroup gimmick, now) no matter who it is.  It's just that - this is what any of these guys do for a living.  Just like the rest of us do something, for a living.  Some people stay at one job their whole career.  Others move on, sometimes successfully and sometimes not.  It's a journey.  Why is it when a rock musician's "job" ends with a band, for whatever reason, and then they regroup with other musicians of the same caliber and experience, they have to be called a gimmick or supergroup.  I think that's very insulting.  Like the rest of us, they move on with their careers.  

As for the whole "gang" thing, I'm sure VR might have felt like that in the beginning, but obviously, it doesn't seem to be working that way anymore.  

They are getting some bad press...from Fuse TV in part:


Velvet Revolver Imploding

March 24, 2008

Yikes! Weiland also calls Sorum immature and notes that he (Weiland) has only ever had to cancel one tour due to drug abuse. So Weiland... wins? Who knows. And who knows how this affects the rumored opening slot on the rumored Led Zeppelin tour, but one can't imagine the Zep guys wanting to carry these d-bags around on tour.

http://fuseblog.typepad.com/fuseblog/2008/03/velvet-revolver.html

i heard that too. its pretty well known matt likes to "play the field" with any chance he gets.

OUCH that was some harsh wording lmao

Oh, I follow you now.  Good point.

Weiland and Sorum are major DBags.  That isn't up for debate. 

Ok, I've been 'itchin', here (or anywhere) to say something, for days, and kept my mouth pretty much shut, but I just can't stand it anymore!!  So, here goes.

Scott is the one acting like a douche!  I've liked Weiland, even way before VR was even a concept.  He's like a chameleon - always changing his looks & dress - I wasn't even sure whether he was gay or straight, for a long time.   I used to think he was kind of cool!

Anyway, STP ended badly, after he almost got into a fight with Dean DeLeo right on stage.  So he abandoned it, so to speak, and thought VR was the ticket, I guess.  4 or 5 years later, he starts getting restless, again, and is firing off again.  Who knows why (brother died, another arrest, marriage probably isn't going so well, his current band's last album didn't sell as well as they'd hoped), so other pastures start looking good again.  (We'll see how long that lasts, with him).   

I am totally there for anyone who suffers from mental issues or addictions.  However, we have a man who, by his own admissions, has been in & out of rehab something like, what? 2 dozen times...or maybe more, by now.  By this point, he's just lucky his ass isn't sitting in a prison somewhere - thanks to good lawyers & money, he isn't.  You know, there reaches a point, in life, when you take responsibility and get it together (and I hate saying that, because it's not easy, at all, for anyone with addictions & mental issues), but he's had many, many chances. 

I've always defended him, in the past.  However, at this point, I've had it with his rockstar ego, hot-headed, unmedicated bipolar ass!

   

I don't care about Weiland or the fact that he's leaving, I just want to know what's next for Slash, Duff and Matt. New singer? Solo projects?

I agree.  And, I don't want solo projects.  They better stay together, no matter what!

Yeah, I agree. Hopefully, they will find another vocalist. Regard your previous post, as my mom would say "the boy has got a little big for his britches".

I meant it metaphorically, not literally....from day one...he's been the loudmouth when he shouldn't have been, making stupid comments all over the place, acting like rock n' roll was his invention, and the rest of the guys are in HIS band...

scott clearly had enough if his crap....

Oh yess !! :yes: My popcorn is ready, I'm waiting for what's going to happen next.

On a side note, I must agree with Weiland and his opinion of Scrotum, as I have pretty much the same. That guy's a band anihilator.

He said once that Huge was the Yoko Ono of GN'R but the truth is that he is the Ono of all time...

So thats why the crowd shouts 'Ono!' every time Matt's about to start a drum solo.  :P

Thanks, I'll be here all week. Try the fish frenzy.

This has been going on for a long time now.

I was told about it 3 years ago from a friend of the band, off the record ofcourse.

I believe that if there wasn't a record contract involved, they would have called it quits a long time ago...

You were told about what? Weiland and Sorum bickering? Just looking for clarification...

Maybe we will hear from Matt...from his website:

03.25.08

Hello Friends,
In London now, have 2 gigs here, getting ready to do Kerrang TV.

I was told that there were big problems in the VR camp. Fights etc. etc...

So, tell us more...........come on! 

There's nothing more to tell.

I was just told that there were big problems in the camp with people fighting.

Then 1 year later Slash goes to Axl's house. The moment I heard about that I knew it was true.

Then more fights because of that. Now more fights.

It just won't work... That's the reason Duff is not interested in it anymore...

It seems there is a lot of egos at work here.  And too many guys leaning on their past accomplishments like a badge of honor.  Maybe the main problem with VR is that they just can't touch what their previous bands did.

good point, although i'd say that the problem lies with them thinking that their previous bands' achievements were due to them and their efforts only.

hence the egos and attitudes....

scott and slash might  think that but duff and matt?  ???

don't think Duff does, but judging by his comments, Matt certainly seems to think he is deserving of a whole lot of credit for his past "achievements"...

Oh, I thought, maybe, you had something new to share.  That's just the same old shit we've already all heard about, ad nauseum.

Yeah, it won't work.  People have been saying that since the conception of this band, 5 or 6 years ago.   

 

Yeah, he's made a few comments that weren't exactly ripe with modesty.  Ultimately, I think he's a very skilled drummer who hitched his ride to the right stars.

to sum it up if you asked most people who a real rockstar was like jimmy page, john bonham,slash,axl,alice cooper,iggy,hendrix etc everyone has heard of them and if u were to mention matt sorum they would be like who??
oy yeah that guy with the shite haircut from guns n roses......matt needs to realize that!

Sorum appears to be the a-hole in many inter-band spats

Why Weiland had to do this publicly is beyond me, but this band needs to just die now

thats the problem with supergroups....youve got Weiland who thinks hes a grunge-god because he fronted STP...and Sorum thinks hes amazing cause he was a hired gun in some big bands...heads clash...

theres no album sales/crowds in touring to make it worth it(like other bands)

sorum has some nerve. he owes his life to guns n roses. when i heard what he said on BTM, i was like , you gotta be kidding me, man! what a douche.

You make it seem like he was anti GNR anti Axl , Sorum isn't being an ass when he was making that comment it's just more of a natural thing something he was thinking. Really if GN'R back in 89-90 asked you to be in their band the last thing you where thinking of doing was epic piano songs.

Supergoups doen't get together by the pleasure of playing, but for commercial purposes, that's why they always fail...

I'm sorry but could someone catch me up? This is the 1st I've heard about this. What did Matt say to begin with?


 :peace:

Try this: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=51139.0

Once, again, I'll say it...I hate the term "supergroup".  What you said is bullshit.  Bands end.  People move on and do other things.  There's no commercial purpose about it.  Are you kidding?  This is what they do.  This is their living.  Ok?  They move on and do something else.  What do you expect musicians to do?     

Crosby, Stills & Nash are a "super group" that has been around for 40 years.

But those guys were built on hippie ideals and good music.

It's even better when Young jumps into the mix.

I don't really get all the hate for Matt. Sure the guy can be a tool, but he seems to be the most laidback and level-headed about this. He was just like "yeah, we're having some issues, but it's only rock n roll".

Then you get Scott having a big hissy fit whinge like a teenager blogging on myspace or something...

I know who's side I pick.


I just hope out of all this Slash, Duff and Matt stick it out together. I still believe they've got some good music left in them.

Love him or hate him but Sorum is livin the dream  :beer: :beer: :beer:

why does everyone seem to wana pick a side on this? you werent there, you dont know any of the members personally, so how can you pick a side? its always the same, its the same with gnr too, its either, "axl's an asshole, i love slash" or "slash is an asshole i love axl" now its just the same thing but with vr "scott's an asshole, i love matt" or "matt's an asshole but so is scott" or whatever the fuck it is, how do you know? they both have their own side to the story, and i'm sure both sides have an element of truth, but then again what do i know

Great post!  It is very hard not to lean a certain direction.  You are right, we don't know the truth.  But Scott put himself in this position with his stupid rant.  So I don't know.

POLL: WHO?S TO BLAME FOR THE CURRENT VELVET REVOLVER DRAMA?
Thursday, March 27th, 2008 at 11:10am by Vince Neilstein

It?s been quite a shit-storm in the media lately for Velvet Revolver. First Scott Weiland declared on-stage during a show that ?You?re watching something special? the last tour by Velvet Revolver,? catching his band-mates off-guard. Matt Sorum then took a thinly-veiled swipe at Weiland, Weiland retorted, and Slash came back with his usual, ?let?s all just play rock n? roll, dude!? rhetoric.

It would seem that a breakup is inevitable whatwith all this crap and the Stone Temple Pilot?s reunion, though Slash insists he?s looking forward to the next record. So whose fault is it?

Who?s to blame for the current Velvet Revolver drama?

    * Weiland ? that egomaniac has lead singer?s disease
    * Matt Sorum ? he should stick to fashion design
    * Slash ? he should get real and realize this band is done
    * Who gives a shit about this band?

The vote: http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=4863