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GN'R vs SKid Row on 92.3 K-Rock's March Bracket Brawl tonight [March 18]

Source:  NY Daily News [newspaper]  Tuesday, March 18, 2008

"WXRK (92.3 FM) is letting its listeners decide the best rock band of all time" and you can listen to it/play along on their website:  http://923krock.com/   Guns N' Roses vs. Skid Row at 7 p.m. [nyc time]

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Sammy Hagar's Van Halen bounced from 'Brawl'
By DAVID HINCKLEY
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Tuesday, March 18th 2008, 4:00 AM

WXRK (92.3 FM) is letting its listeners decide the best rock band of all time, and it hadn't even finished the first round before the Sammy Hagar Van Halen got itself disqualified for "voting irregularities."

Now that's rock 'n' roll.

K-Rock is running a "March Bracket Brawl" parallel to the NCAA basketball tournament. The four brackets are '70s, '80s, '90s and "Now," and the final four face off March 30-31.

The first round, which runs through Wednesday, features four showdowns a day. Today, it's the Red Hot Chili Peppers vs. Oasis at 10 a.m., Led Zep vs. Judas Priest at 1 p.m., Incubus vs. Kid Rock at 4 p.m. and Guns N' Roses vs. Skid Row at 7 p.m.

A few heavyweights have already been knocked off. Aerosmith kicked out Black Sabbath and the Police lost to the David Lee Roth Van Halen. Rage Against the Machine knocked out Smashing Pumpkins and yesterday AC/DC defeated the Clash.

Among elderly rockers, the Who edged Rush and Jimi Hendrix stomped Kiss, racking up 72.9% of the vote.

Close contests included the Stone Temple Pilots getting 51.8% of the vote against Nine Inch Nails.

The Van Halen voting irregularities were not spelled out. But very little about Van Halen has ever been regular.

Just put my 2 cents in

Thanks

Anyone know what the Van Hagar irregularities were?

You can vote for GN'R now.





/jarmo

GnR will take that easily

^Yep, most of the jocks at the station have GnR loosing out to Metallica in the Elite 8:

http://www.923krock.com/pages/1771835.php

I think they should make it to the Final 4; probably loosing out to Zepp. in the opening round.

GN'R: 90.5%
Skid Row: 9.5%




/jarmo

i think the final 4 should be

60's and 70's- Pink Floyd
80's- Guns N Roses
90's-  Smashing Pumpkins
00's - White Stripes
 : ok:

It's funny how this radio game has been going on for over a week already (it started on March 10th) and the papers only carried it on the day GNR entered the mix.

If the paper didn't use that pic of Axl, I would have never noticed the article.  :hihi:

I love that pic of Uncle A.  Very cool.   8)

is there pic of that in color around?

whats the purpose of squaring off smaller bands with bigger bands anyways?? if you wanted to do skid row vs. billy idol? or van halen vs. GNR...sure....but skid row vs gnr?? it has no chance..

It is patterned after the NCAA Tournament where the #1 seed is up against the #16 seed, #2 against #15 , ect.?

one of our rock radio stations in Vegas is doing something similar, but I haven't looked if GnR was on that or not.   I'll have to check. :peace:

Guns N' Roses advance now to the second round for them, and its against the beastie boys which they will win of course, its this monday same time, around 720pm eastern time zone. but remember guys you can vote no matter state u are in, just text guns n roses, at that time on monday to 69923(ny923). with all the guns fans across america alone we could get them to win the whole tournament! lets do it!

Jimi Hendrix beat Kiss? Please thats retarded.

I got GNR vs RHCP in the final

I thought that you were a guitarist?

I hope people are basing their votes on Axl, Tommy, Richard, Robin, Ron, Chris, Frank, and Dizzy.  Not the other guys !!!

So does he...

They are in categorized as 80's so that would mean that its the 80's version of the band that they are basing stuff on. Because I'm certain people aren't basing this on Post Bach Skid Row , they are thinking of Bach with them.


Voodoo Chile OWNS anything KISS has ever and ever will record.  :peace:

i think they mean GnR from then till now, the entire 20 some year history.

Everyone on the planet can vote for FREE on that radio station's website:
http://www.923krock.com/pages/1771835.php

As much as I'd love to see GNR win, bottom line is that it is just a silly radio game and standard text messaging rates ($$$) apply so if we can vote for FREE online than that's the way to go.

We GNR fans need to be saving up our $$$ for when more important things are available.  ;)

Well, I think those pools are like "which band has more obsessive fans". :P

But I'll vote for GNR. ;D

Wow.

Nevermind...

I hope you really wanted to talk about Voodoo Chile instead of just mispelled the song Voodoo Child because those are two different songs (you may know, but I often see people mistaken it).

I really want to know who this 9.5% is.. :hihi:

i mean I love Skid Row but come on...

considering every Guns N Roses song ever released with the exception of "oh my god" is by Axl and "the other guys" I am assuming that is the band the votes are being based on....

i love the new band and have seen them several times, so that is not a shot at them...but the general rock fan has no idea what they sound like unless they have seen them in concert or downloaded some stuff...all the songs K-Rock plays are the old line-up

I disagree.  As part of the 90.5%, my votes were based on my obsession with GNR as they are today.  And based on the fact that the paper used a recent pic of Axl to advertise this game (especially with the story being about Van Halen's disqualification), I think it's the current fans that were drawn in to vote.

Kind of unfair to put Skid Row up against GNR when they never were anywhere near as big as GNR.

Skid Rows Slave To the Grind equally matches up to Appetite, no question.

Blasphemy!

You're on a GN'R site saying that.

Not only are you in the minority in the real world, but here you'll feel even more alone with an opinion like that!  :P



/jarmo

Im pretty sure Mr Lee is being sarcastic right?

I love Slave to The Grind but............

a 100% agree with Jarmo. its not often that happens  :hihi:

HAHA yeah, Id wipe the floor with u using one hand on guitar. Stick to your tabs junior. : ok:


Id take Kiss anyday of the week, better songs better live show better stage presence, way more entertaining.

Well i dont really want to argue because its about personal tastes but.

How doesnt Slave compare, in many ways Slave is more original than Appetite, musically. And Bach (back then) was a better vocalist than Axl.

(may i just add, i said it matches up, i wouldnt say ones better than the other, they both have great songs start to finish and are both kick ass and raw)

 :o :o :o :o

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MR Lee has balls of brass, I gotta give him that.

lol ^ i dont care, ill state my opinion. If loads of people will argue back then ill simply just not reply because im too tired right now, and at the end of the day its only an opinion right ;) .

Wasted time could've been as big as Sweet Child O Mine except for one thing. Lack of guitar skillz.


SCOM is set apart by every other love ballad cause of the iconic intro and solos.


STTG's guitar playing is nowhere near Appetites. Lyrics and songs are no where near Axl and Izzy's and Bach's voice has nowhere the diversity and quality of Axl's.


I would take Wasted Time over Think About You, Slave to The Grind over You're Crazy, My Michelle Anything Goes and maybe Out Ta Get Me.

Other than that............

oh, im talking riffs. Not solos, no way do i think Scotti plays better guitar solos than slash.  I think the riffs in Slave are more original in style than appetites.

Funny how only Skid Row fans seem to agree with you.

The rest of the music listening public, including GN'R fans, seem to think of Appetite as one of the greatest rock albums of all times! It's compared to albums by bands like the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Sex Pistols etc etc.

That album pretty much inspired all your current favorite Swedish sleaze metal bands.

Just like Never Mind The Bollocks in the 70s and Nevermind in the 90s, it inspired people. Slave To The Grind made people go "hell yeah!".....






/jarmo

Jarmo, im not denying how good Appetite is or its influence on the bands i love!!!

Im just saying i think STTG and AFD are equal in awesomeness. I heard both albums round about the same time in my life and i love them both, BUT on originality i feel the mix up metal/rock sound Skid Row got on that album was more original than the Aerosmith blues style GNR got on appetite. Doesnt mean i think Appetite is crap or doesnt deserve its recognition because it totally does. But i would definately also say i feel STTG is terribily Under-rated.

Appetite wipes the floor with any album Aerosmith ever did as well.

I am the champion of everyone having their own opinion. I mean hell I thinK Bon Jovi are better than Led Zeppelin so i guess I shouldn't bash u for saying that.

Im just shocked u would say that on a GNR forum. :hihi: kinda cool!

Definitely don't agree with u and think u are insane, but props for saying it and defending it.



Also, back on topic:

Does GNR really deserve the title as best 80's band? I dont really consider them to be an 80's band.  If the final was Bon Jovi vs GNR for the best 80's band. Not best overall band but just based on the 80's. It would be hard to put GNR over Bon Jovi. BJ were THE 80's band.

Yes, yes it does.

But Steve Tyler....is a force to be reckoned with! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcQ_A68iDww&feature=related

Yeah, probably the only time I've ever heard Axl get taken down on stage singing with someone else.

Tyler is arguably the greatest rock singer ever, so thats no shame. I love Tyler but I still like Axl's voice better.

Its like Mick Jagger on Sympathy for the Devil, its amazing how much Axl's voice blows his out of the water. If they dueted Mick would come off like Tom Petty did.

OHHH YESS, i love Tom Petty but axl owns him on that MTV performance.

And Axl did duet with Mick doing Salt of the Earth in 1989 (i think) you can get it on youtube, its a great performance if you havent seen it already.

mr lee


you are out of your fckn mind if you think anything skid row did could touch gnr.


the moderators took this down, why i dont know. im not sure why i even post here anymore...?

!!!

Nightrain?
Paradise City?
JUNGLE?
ROCKET QUEEN

Dude no way... Slash's playing was far more original than Slave , and not even slash but add Izzy's rhythm parts + writing skills , and AXL FREAKIN ROSE..... GNR WIPES Skid...

I never said I can play the guitar.

Still, I don't think it's very smart to compare Kiss to Hendrix... He's the real shit.

To be honest, I never really understood the whole deal with Kiss... Their songs are not THAT great. Their shows might be (not sure about now), but I'd never compare them to a legend like Hendrix was...

I'll see them on May 18th, but I'm not THAT excited about it.

I'm more excited to see Lenny Kravitz on August 1st...

So anyway, GN'R > Skid Row.


Next GN'R round:

Monday 3/24
7pm - Beasties vs. GN'R

If GN'R loses that on a rock station, then the world has definitely gone mad.



/jarmo

Beasties to me are more of a fun novelty act. Something you don't turn off when it comes on, but I don't own anything they've ever done. Don't really get why they factor into a rock poll....outside of that first album do any of their songs even have much guitar? GnR should win this easily.

I know they are just setting GN'R up for easy wins , well then again I honestly think GN'R will easily take the cake until some of the more "legendary" bands come up ( Zeppelin , Pink Floyd , Stones , AC/DC , Aerosmith )

2 bad examples, gnr lifted parts from sabbath and led zep for those songs.

Christos  Kiss has done more than most people think.

With Kiss its a double edged sword. Their gimmick is great and has helped make them huge BUT in the process it has really taken away from just how good of songs they have.

If u are judging Kiss based on songs like Rock N Roll All Nite, then Sure, I can see where people would think they aren't that great.  Rock N Roll All Nite is one of my least fav Kiss songs.

But Paul and Ace's guitar riffs are top notch

U should listen to Strutter, Detroit Rock City, God Of Thunder, War Machine, Creatures of The Night, Cold Gin, Callin Dr Love, Love Gun, I Stole Your Love, Firehouse, Black Diamond, Hotter than Hell

They have some amazing awesome songs. Great guitar riffs, great solos. Paul Stanley is one of the best vocalist and frontmen ever.

Jimi Hendrix is an amazing guitarist but his songwriting and frontman/vocal skills aren't that great.

Kiss' catalog definitely stacks up and plus Kiss changed the industry. They changed the way people approached concerts.  So its not beyond the realm of possibility to see where Kiss would be voted over Hendrix.  Its not in the same category as Skid Row over GNR thats for sure.

I suggest you go and "promote" your favorite bands, that aren't GN'R, in the right section from now on.



/jarmo

I figured this thread could be for the "Whole" Contest

Guess not


God forbid we do something fun on here.

Says the guy with 14000+ posts. If it's so boring, you know what to do.

I don't think it's "fun" to have to wade through posts about bands that I couldn't care less about, like Bon Jovi, in the GN'R section.






/jarmo

Ok, I started a thread in Bad Obsession for the rest of the contest.


Beasties Boys have no shot against GNR.

Beastie Boys are more than a fun novelty band though. Im sure most casual type probably only remember stuff like Fight For Your Right and Sabotage. but they have made some really great albums.

Still though, I see GNR winning at least 75 percent to 25percent.

And just what exactly are they today? As the poster said, EVERY song that this contest is using, has nothing to do with this current line up. Dont really matter what they call themselves. Again, no shot at the new band, seen them 2 times and really do like them.

I didn't even know that they were using songs in the contest.  :hihi:

I based my votes on a pic in the newspaper which was obviously taken during one of the shows from the 2006/2007 tour.  You know ... TODAY'S GNR!!!  :headbanger:

Oh, I am sorry, didnt know they meant what is your favorite picture? But if theu are talking about the MUSIC from this band, than read my post

Thanks

If you're not clever enough to understand the simple fact that she was explaining how she thought and not talking in general terms, you might wanna ask somebody to explain the post to you.




/jarmo

It really is a shame that almost EVERY topic on these boards turn into the same old shit. New vs old. I try hard not to give in to it, but lets look at who always seems to bring it up. You start reading this post, and its pretty simple, vote for your favorite band. So about 10 post go by, until someone has to say "I assume they mean todays line up". Its is 90% of the time the fans that refuse to ackowledge why all the music we have exists, why this message board exist, etc. They have to come on here and tell me that the old guys are gone, the new band plays somebodies elses music so much better, etc. Who cares! What i really want to know, is why cant people just except things for what they are? The old band will always be assocaited with some of the greates music ever played, PERIOD! Axl can keep changing members all he wants, buy the rights to what ever he wants, the FACT remains that the old guys are legends. Now we move into 2008, the new band has toured, and they sound really great. Cant wait to hear some of the music they supposedly have on the disk that was supposedly turneds in. I support them as well.

Yeah, and then you're happy to be the guy who has to start reminding us all about the past....

I mean, you're the guy who's called GN'R a cover band. So I guess you're one of the "real fans".  ::)



Some of your heroes wanted GN'R to be dead and buried by now. The same people who are out there playing GN'R songs in their new bands while claiming they've moved on.

They didn't get their way, and that's why you have GN'R "covering GN'R songs".

I think it's time for you to deal with the reality that in 2008, GN'R doesn't have anything to do with those guys.


People don't fucking vote for the former members when they vote for a band who's music they like.

Many of us fans don't make a fucking difference. It's all GN'R to us.

We are all aware of the band's history, it seems that a group of bitter fucking people are always inclined to remind us of the past.

The clich? line "I'm not putting the new band down, I love them BUT...." is often present in these posts.



/jarmo

Well, you just brole the streak of being right all the time. You are talking as if I am one of those bitter people. Sure, I am not going to deny it, afd, uyi, lies, even SI are my favorite all time cd;s from my favorite band. When and IF chinese D. comes out, it will be added to that list. I see gnr for what they were AND are today. And as I stated, I really do try and not get mixed up in the old vs new. people are free to like what ever they want. I did use the term "cover band" at times. ONLY when other people come on here and say that this new bands "ownes" the songs because axl bought them? There was a time Michael Jackson bought the rights to the beatles catalogue. If he decided to play only beatle songs at his next concert with paul mcartney on paino, does that make them the beatles? I seen the old band 3 times and the new band 2 times. If they tour this year (with or with out a cd) I will see them again. I am not bitter, I really do enjoy the music. Even you have to admit that it gets disappointing at times that we dont get to hear some new songs, that all. What is wrong with wanting your favorite lead singer to sing some new songs? And as far as VR playing guns songs, why should they, they were part of them too. You say they wanted to move on, but play old songs. I have heard Axl say many times in the past that BOTH he and slash were moving in different directions. But they BOTH seem to be stuck playing songs that they were BOTH part of.

I don't know what you're on about. Axl didn't buy any songs as far as I can remember.


I love all the old albums as well. I just don't get all upset when somebody thinks the new band plays those old songs better.

I just think it's a real waste of energy to try to cling onto the past like some of these so called "real fans" do.

Things happened, things changed, this is what reality is in 2008. Deal with it.

Instead of dealing with it, they're telling everybody how the new band sucks. I don't need that kind of people here as I've stated in the past.

We have an open door policy. Just leave if it's too much to handle to see a bunch of people supporting GN'R in 2008 while your heroes are out there pretending to be dangerous unpredictable rock stars.



The whole name thing is pretty simple. As long as Axl calls the band GN'R, it's GN'R.

You can't change that.

Must suck to have that chip on your shoulder. "My favorite band has the same name as they always did but my favorite guy quit the band and there's nothing I can do about it!  :crying: "



I'm glad you're not one of those guys who love to bring the old band into every thread.  : ok:


Now get back on topic.




/jarmo

It's an undeniable fact that the new band plays better.  :D
and that I wouldn't be checking the us radio site but for this band. (and gypsy)

so
next round is on Monday 3/24 7pm at http://www.923krock.com/pages/1744599.php

the rounds after this are toughies.

yeah my bracket had GNR beating Nirvana in the finals....now I tried not to be bias, but I honestly think GNR are better than Metallica and Zeppelin...I know some people might not agree but oh well...Metallica and Zeppelin are great bands but I thought GNR was better...and I like Nirvana but I always thought GNR blowed them out of the water...I never really got the whole grunge thing when it happened....

GN'R vs Beastie Boys was yesterday but they haven't updated the site with the result yet....



/jarmo

Guns N Roses 73.3% - Beastie Boys 26.7%

I can't believe it was even that close.

I thought that Beatie Boy matchup would have been a little closer...K ROck is the rock station here in my area and you would be surprised the kind of bullshit they play...I think its going to come down to GNR vs Metallica in the elite 8...that is going to be a tough one

Ok, so now its ACDC (w/ Brian) vs GNR

It's very silly to make a sport contest out of music.

Yeah...I live in the Tri-State too but I gotta say this NEW version of K-Rock is nowhere near as bad as the one of a few years ago. I heard Estranged on their station about two weeks ago and nearly crashed the car. I've never heard that song on the radio before...not even when the video was released.

Regardless...I think this latest airplay stunt might work out well for the station and just might keep them from going back to the 'talk' format. Now THAT blew!

You can vote right now http://www.923krock.com/pages/1744599.php




/jarmo

Guns N Roses 73.9% - AC/DC (Johnson) 26.1%

:D

That's cool.



/jarmo

I didn't think it would be that decisive.  But, AC/DC has nowhere near the depth of GN'R and nothing they did ever approached Appetite.

Ali

Holy Shit!! that is awesome....im telling you GNR is going to give Metallica trouble....I think they can win that...just look at the numbers ...GNR hasnt even been in a close match yet...and I thought AC/DC would have been alot closer

Everybody, Guns n' Roses have one more round till the finals come on!! Its tommorow (WEDNESDAY, march 28th) at 4pm eastern time zone! Go onto http://www.923krock.com/ (http://www.923krock.com/) click on the center ad that says bracket brawl or you can text guns n' roses to 69923... They are up against metallica so we never everyone's vote. it wont be easy.

March 28th is a Friday.

At least in this part of the world. ;)




/jarmo

yes...we need to get Gn'R to beat Metallica.....well, we need them to go all the way, but if they lose to Zeppelin I wont be AS dissapointed

Back In Black is the 2nd greatest hard rock album ever, right behind Appetite.  But not too far behind.

looking forward to gnr vs metallica. i have gnr over metallica in my bracket  ;D

me too...but this is going to be TOUGH....and then Zeppelin after that....GNR AND MEtallica both own Zeppelin imo...

Don't forget to vote!!  Gn'R vs. Metallica,   one more hour!!

(I usually don't give a shit about these kinds of things, but for some reason this one got my attention) Vote in 1 hour!!!


http://www.923krock.com/pages/1744599.php

OH, SHIT!

Nirvana lost!?!?!?

That's awesome.  :rofl: 

But I still protest the decade centered approach to this...the Foo Fighters don't belong within a mile of the finals, but Sabbath and Pink Floyd were bounced rounds ago?  What a joke!


Anyway...30 MINUTES TO VOTE TIME!

Sadly, I can't see Guns making it past Metallica

If the last 15 years hadn't been such a fucking fiasco, I think they would have , but no studio album since then .......I don't feel good about this one :no:

that is awesome that Nirvana lost!!! sucks that GNR wont be able to beat them in the finals now though....

See...I KNEW you and I could agree on something!   :beer:

haha who would have thought :hihi:

whats the link to vote.

http://www.923krock.com/pages/1744599.php

I THINK it'll be here, but if not you can get there with a click or two.

Hmm...still not up for votes.  Do these guys lack watches?  Or do we have the time wrong? 

Metallica probably has Karl Rove managing their campaign.  He's redirecting anyone linking from a GNR site.

Axl's been delayed. He's in transit via helicopter as we speak... :peace:

It's up now.

voted about 10 times now. will vote more when i get home

Voted. It is the next round that should be the toughest of the entire competition.

Anyone know how long you can vote?

if you have firefox you can clear your cookies and then close the window and reopen it and you can vote again

According the the DJ, the race is close with Metallica pulling slightly ahead.

clear your cookies restart your browser and revote. gnr cant lose

The DJ just said that Metallica is winning at the moment

when does this end?

must be over. i dont get the voting page anymore.

I was too scared to do that thinking it might fall into a category of "voting irregularities" to disqualify GNR from the next round. :nervous:

Metallica won...56 to 43 roughly.....blows....

Overall GN'R had a solid showing.  Think what they could have done if CD was released last year!  Will be interesting to see if they do this again next year :)

True....not bad for a band who hasnt put out any original material since 1991....with the exception of "oh my god"

"Finalists" for the 80's is not a bad showing at all... especially considering GN'R's prolonged "hiatus" and line-up changes, as well as, the fact that Metallica has: (1) a rabid and loyal fanbase; and (2) had greater longevity and consistency than GN'R.

That being said... anyone who thinks Metallica was "bigger" than GN'R at any point during the 1980's is absolutely kidding themselves. Metallica in the 1980's was the workman-like blue collar band quietly (i.e. not calling much attention to themselves... not sound wise. ;)) getting it done.... while GN'R was a MONSTER band all over the public's TV's, news media, radios, etc. that thrilled and flamed out in spectacular fashion.

It does raise an interesting comparison between the two tho. I for one LOVE the first four Metallica albums, think the black album is just OK, and fnd everything they've done since to range between mediocre to bad. If you take 1991 as a starting point which is better? To have a great band release music you're mostly indifferent to or not release anything? And isn't what Metallica has done what Axl has really set out not to do? I believe he said something at one point about the first snakepit album and how he didn't feel it was good enough and wasn't about to do it just to do it. But which do people actually prefer?

i think your answer is in the results of the poll. sure, gnr hasn't released an album in over 15 years. but they are played on rock stations more than metallica. you could also argue (as some on here have) that metallica's albums have hurt their popularity. 

But despite metallica's sub-par efforts, there are still several songs i REALLY enjoy that they released post-80's. several songs that i crank on the radio, listen to frequently, and ALWAYS want to hear live.

also, tours come along with album releases. so metallica fans have had the opportunity to see them several times over the years.

and good or bad, the album experience is still fun - hearing a new single on the radio, the anticipation, actually buying it, discussing it with your friends, having your favorite band be in the limelight, and being able to share all these experiences with your friends.

for me it's a no-brainer.

also, i didn't think this long delay is what axl set out to do. i don't think the delays have been due to Axl trying to improve the music or make it perfect.

I'm only speaking from a British-based perspective and my own memory of the late 1980's, but I think that a good part of the reason why GNR got more mainstream exposure was because their music had a crossover appeal between the heavy metal crowd and those who were more inclined towards hard rock.  Metallica, as far as I can recall, solely inhabited the male-dominated heavy metal world and therefore got a stiff ignoring from many radio and telly programmes.  Oh, and of course, GNR having a rock god as frontman, and a fair bit of other male totty in the band, were streets ahead of what Metallica could offer the discerning female fan.  ;) 

Can't speak about the "female" perspective... ;)

But I think you make some real good points in differentiating the two bands and their respective sounds. In addition to the cross-over appeal of their music... Guns had so much personality and variety in their appearance (bandanna and baseball cap, top hat, Duff's punk look, Izzy's hat and sunglasses, Popcorn's hair etc.). Metallica was 4 guys in black t-shirts or whatever. Another major difference was that by all accounts the guys in Guns were living out their dreams being major rock stars and thirsted for the fame and notoriety that their heroes in Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, Queen, etc. had had. They WANTED all that and got it. Metallica preferred relative anonymity... until they started hanging out with GN'R full-time during the '92 tour.:hihi:

I agree 100% that hearing a new single from a band you love and knowing a release date and all that are a lot of fun, but I wasn't saying Axl set out to not release an album in 17 years. I was saying he set out to not release anything sub-standard which I think most people would have a hard time arguing Metallica have not done.

I gather GNR appealed to pop/general music fans as well. scom was a no1 hit.

the band that hadn't gone public until recently made the 80s final, a close game against a band that has constantly promoted itself. Not bad.  : ok:

what do you mean by "substandard?"

many people love metallica's post-1980's albums. many metallica songs from the 90's are played on the radio all the time.

do you think metallica has ever entered the studio and said "if we make a 'substandard' album, so be it."??? 

but GNR were a lot more mainstream than metallica

due to GN'R was very more commercial than Metallica, besides, the sound of GNR always has been more melodic/soft than a Metal riff of Metallica.

Absolutely. That's my main point. I suppose the bracket is getting at "best" band of the 1980's and not "biggest". When you talk about "best"... then GN'R v. Metallica is a debatable argument (though I'm sure I know where most of us come down on that one. ;)). When you talk about "biggest"... it's not even close... especially if you spread out the years a little bit to take in the early 90's... and it's GN'R in a landslide.

I don't think either GNR or Metallica were really mainstream, in their sound.  They both grabbed mainstream and said "FUCKING LISTEN TO THIS!" and people did, but it's not because they had that catchy, easy to listen to, mass appeal.  They were just musically better than about everyone else around at the time.

Totally agree  :beer:

I voted 'Tallica simply because while I may love AFD and Lies this was based on 80's and come on

 Kill 'Em All
 Ride the Lightning
Master of Puppets
..And Justice for All

Had SO many amazing tracks its not funny 80's where very nice to Metallca but Zeppelin is about to stomp all over them.

See...this is why I hate the decade based brackets.  GNR were half late 80s, half early 90s (based on studio albums, before anyone gets their panties in a bunch).  Bands should've been seeded, just like the NCAAs.  I'd have put Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Sabbath, and The Beatles (were they on there even?) at #1 seeds, and GNR probably in the #3 seed range.  I wouldn't have split up Van Halen or AC/DC.

Of course you did.


The whole idea behind this thread was to support GN'R in these polls.

You failed...... Not exactly surprising.




/jarmo

GnR's sound was totally mainstream. everybody loves their songs. SCOM is about as mainstream as it gets - mass appeal to just about every demographic.

metallica was not mainstream at all in the 80's. but somewhat mainstream in the 90's.

No, you're being ridiculous with that statement. Obviously no one goes into the studio and says "lets make a shitty album". I do think by the time 03 rolled around and they had all those troubles delaying them from work they said "oh shit we better do SOMETHING" and released St. Anger which is the biggest piece of shit album I've ever listened to in it's entirety. And I do like some songs from Load and Reload, however they used to make great albums not just great songs. For instance Reload: Devil's Dance, memory Remains, are good songs. Almost everything else on the album ranges from "it's ok but I could go the rest of my existence without ever hearing it again" to "oh my god, this song named after that book they read to us in preschool is the smelliest turd in their entire catalogue".

Are you fucking serious? Wow Jarmo just because I post on this forum doesn't mean I have to vote GN'R on every god damn thing i see. The POINT of this thread was GN'R was in some radio station contest. They came about against the other one of my favorite bands and I voted 'Tallica. I failed? I love how you completely ignore my reasoning on why I voted "Tallica. Guys some people can just be an ass in any situation.

Am I serious? Are you?

You come to a GN'R site to tell us all on how you prefer Metallica in a thread that's meant to get (GN'R) fans here to vote for GN'R.

You don't see what's a bit weird in that?



You never seemed like a person who supports the band in the first place.

 ::)



/jarmo

if I read 'talllica instead of metallica one more time I may throw up.

Fuckin kiddies.

metallica's albums in the 80's were more "rushed" than anything they released post-1990's. 3 albums released in less than 3 years (1983, 1984, and 1986). St. Anger, even with all their mental issues, was not rushed at any point.

you did not answer my question...what do you mean by "substandard?"your point about what axl set out to do vs. what metallica did does not make any sense. because it's based on your opinions.

i think both bands have set out to make albums THEY are happy with and are comfortable with. i know metallica has succeeded in doing that. and i'm sure axl feels good about "oh my god" and he will feel good about CD when it is released.

but i'll answer your questions again...
1) i would rather have my favorite bands release albums than go 17 years with no original release.
2) No, what metallica did is NOT what "axl has set out not to do." they released albums filled with music they were proud of. they put into song what they were feeling at that time.

i think metallica has done exactly what axl has been trying to do.

as far as the vote, it'll be interesting to see something like this after CD is released. i have a feeling the results would be different.

You are taking this over the top. You make it seem like I'm on here constantly preaching about them. The contest is OVER and I just said I voted 'Tallica because of the fact that those 80's albums had way more amazing songs then AFD and Lies IMHO. I find it funny how you quoted just one part of my message as well. Anyways you are very touchy its kind of funny. Am I supposed to prove my "loyalty" to to you now? Since I seem like I don't support them.  ::)


Don't forget get Metallica is set to release a record soon as well...

I did answer your question and I even cited examples. They released a lot of songs that I think they knew were not that good. Plain and simple. I don't think it's what they set out to do, but they probably did get somewhat comfortable in the fact they knew whatever they released would go quadruple platinum regardless of it's quality. And obviously anyone would rather have their favorite artist release something as opposed to nothing. My original question was more into how the band is perceived. By not releasing albums as outright terrible as st. anger or songs as downright shitty as where the wild things are or the cure Axl has been able to sustain more of a respectability in my opinion and in others than Metallica has. And I still think that makes it an interesting comparison between the two. From the artists perspective then whats better? To disappear for a period of time and re-emerge and hopefully release something great or to stay around and spend half your career releasing material that is nowhere near up to your potential. And yes, that is my opinion of their post black album work-nowhere near their potential. And I don't think it's being an egomaniac using that as a basis because it's an opinion shared by almost all music fans whether or not they like certain songs or parts of things Metallica has done during this time as I have already said I do. Only the Metallica heads who think they can do no wrong which you're starting to come off as seem to have a problem admitting that they've released some crap over the past 12 years.

I'm taking this over the top?

Look at the facts: We have a thread aimed to support GN'R in this poll and you (somebody who's been previously banned) come here to tell us all how you voted for another band instead of GN'R.

Not only is that against what the thread was initially about, it's almost like you're only posting that here to get attention. Like a troll would.

Why couldn't you just post it in the other section where the general thread for this poll is? It was created it after people were told him to stop talking about other bands in this thread.


I wonder if you had posted that if GN'R had won....





/jarmo

Yeah I would've said something along the lines that it was cool that GN'R one but I voted "tallica due to certain reasons. Where is the other thread I didn't see it.

If you ran this contest when they were at their peaks, when they were touring together, or even right around the time of Slash & Duff's last days, the results may have been different. Both bands have dedicated fan bases and the fact that Guns did as well as they did is frankly scary, in terms of the effect they had on people with only 4 original albums .

Run this contest again, about a year after Chinese D is released and look out :beer:

I think if general music fans voted GNR, with or without cd, would noway lost for 'tallica.