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Would u guys be mad or angry if the new band
came on stage in 2008 with only new songs.   

no wttj, nov rain, Paradise city, patience nightrain.

an all new setlist full of new songs by the new band alone. no more covers (perhaps Kohd as the only one or Sailing)

would  U love it, would it sel?

If I were there, no, I wouldn't be happy.
Sure, I'd love to hear more new stuff, but with seeing GnR you have to have GnR classics.
But I would like it to be a ChiDem heavy set. Like when you see a band touring for their new album the set is generally based around the new album with classics thrown in.

I'd want to hear the old stuff also. But I could really be into a show with more new stuff than old stuff.

an idea that i've had would be that they play just the new songs (i dunno how many, let's say 14 songs) then for the encore they do wttj, scom and ends it all with pc.. probably not gonna happen but i'd love it.. i'd love any setlist but tis idea could work when the music is released..


i'd miss songs like iso and otgm but if the band would like to leave that in the past and only play those at special nights i'd be ok with it :)

I would love to have the album played in it's entirety...especially if the songs have some form of connecting theme. I think at a minimum you still need Jungle, SCOM, and Paradise City at EVERY show. Roger Waters played the entire Dark Side of the Moon album in the middle of one of his recent tours. Started off with the hits, then played DSOTM, then finished with hits. Awesome show. :beer:

I like this idea ^^^

Still, I'd like to see a few other Illusion songs in the mix...while keeping it CD centric. Something like this.

Chinese Democracy
Welcome to the Jungle
You Could Be Mine
Don't Cry
CD ROCKER
CD MID-TEMPO
The Blues
Civil War
Dead Horse
CD ROCKER
CD MID-TEMPO
There Was a Time
Sweet Child O'Mine
Sympathy for the Devil
CD ROCKER
Estranged
Nightrain

ENCORE:
Patience
CD EPIC SONG (ala NR, Coma, Estranged)
Paradise City

I'd think I'd have died and gone to heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!   :yes:
"Sorry honey, sorry kids, I'm quitting my job and going on tour as a roadie with GNR!!!!!!!!!!!!  There's no way I'm missing shows like this!!"   :hihi:

btw, yeah, I like that mix Sinshine, about 60% old, 40% new.  However, I'd still get ISE and OTGM in there.  OTGM fucking rocks live!  So does Easy, especially when the "fuck off!," and the, "but it goes ta shooow!" screams come in.   8)  OTGM was never a fav of mine, but live it's unstoppable and one of my highlights from Hammerstein.  :beer:  Maybe it's the paranoid vibe I get when I'm surrounded by lots of people.  Oh well, Dead Horse would be good for the random show here or there, but ISE and/or OTGM would be a staple.   

I would like to see them playing the entire CD during the next tour (just like Iron Maiden did with AMOLAD in 2006) plus couple of old songs

Really going to depend on the cd if all the songs are good and they go together.  My Chemical Romance's last cd was suited to be played all the way through in concert but when Neil Young does that I have no interest in seeing his show.

Yep I would like that. New band, new album, new songs  : ok:
Why not!

They can indeed maybe add some older songs in the setlist, but then songs they rarely or never play live

At this point, I think the old material is tired. They've played the stuff for over 7 years and I'm ready for the new stuff. We should be thankful for anything, but this band needs to drop the bulk of the old stuff...

At least then i could see a show that i didn't "see in Toledo"

We can only hear the guys sound and specialties on like 5 to 6 songs at some shows.

It's time to let them show what they can do fully with the CD setlist.

Jungle, Paradise City, and Sweet Child pretty much need to be played at every show lol. Throw in a few other old tunes (but mix it up. Don't play the same ones all the time.) and have the rest of the set dominated with songs from the new album. Hell, they could even throw in stuff like Rhiad in here and threre.

5 or 6 old songs should be enough. Like F*ck Fear said, just keep Paradise City, Sweet Child O' Mine and Welcome To The Jungle in the setlist and add two or three random old songs.
But I hope GN'R will first release the album before they tour again.

I don't agree they should always keep WTTJ, SCOM and PC. Jungle is a great opener because of the scream and awesome energy of the song - maybe there is an equally energetic song on CD, and a great closer like Paradise. If so why not mix it up a bit? And then another night open with Perfect Crime or Right Next Door to Hell?

As to the original question, the band is gnr so they should play songs from all the albums - but if it is a 'Chinese Democracy' tour then I'd love to see them feature new songs. And preferably new new songs - even CD and The Blues are getting a bit old now!

I think that depends....

If CD is 2 or more cd's (which i HOPE it will be to make up for the long long long long long long delay) then i wouldn't be upset at all.

If, however, it turns out to be 1 cd filled halfway w/ the leaks, then yes, i would be mildly dissapointed. 

I'd go mad.  imagine the wttj intro shifting to the chinese democracy intro. those chinese whispers and the outburst of scream. It'd be my ultimate dream set.

The set has been great.
the new songs fit in well with the classics and then they gradually grew outstanding.
the course wasn't forced but natural.

I'd love to have a Chinese full course when it's ready. I don't think it will be in 2008.
because I'm guessing single disc albums will be released one after the another, to lostroses disappointment.

Personally I think it should be standard practice for artists to launch their new album by playing the whole thing live at at least one special show for hardcore fans. That way there's at least one live version of each song so nobody is disappointed.

As for New Guns going on tour like that, Iron Maiden were successful in playing the whole of their last album in full on their 'A Matter Of Life And Death' tour before doing some oldies at the end.

Axl wouldn't do this because, as he ranted last year, he doesn't play a single fucking note for us downloading fuckers at home. The vast majority of people at New Guns shows for the forseeable future will be there to hear classics.

i wouldn't care one way or another. I would love to just go a G'n'R concertbut i think i'd like it better if i heard more of the new stuff at least 75% of the show should be new material any way imo

:peace:

I don't think they can. It's still Guns N' Roses and they still have to play the standards for the majority of audience.

But as a nice special release gig, it would be pretty fucking cool. :headbanger:

I wouldn't love it, and I don't think it would sell.   I was *thrilled* to hear new material live, but I also loved hearing Guns material that I knew, loved, and grew up on.  I'm all for the balance shifting to the new material in concert - especially once future album(s) are released - but there should always be some acknowledgement of the songs, and the fans of the songs, that built Guns n Roses into the legendary band they are, and continue to be.

I would also love it they did something like metallica has been doing for over a decade.

some Escape from the studio tours. and just play songs they love and can play. (nothing to do with gnr) perhaps songs they listen to or somethign like that.

5 years ago.. i would say.. absolutely not.. but since i have had the chance to see the band play.. pc, sweet child, wtj...ect... 3 or 4 times now... i would welcome some surprises..   i mean i don't need to go to a another greatest hits tour. 

Exactly!

Nobody's forcing you.  :D



/jarmo

it would be great to have 100% new stuff.

They can when the crowd want them to. and that's, again, Guns N Roses by a long shot.
after a couple of releases, I believe it stands a fair chance.

I think they could, but they would probably have to play at smaller venues for some time

Sympathy For The Devil? Interesting.....

But anyway, i'd love to see a show mainly focused around Chinese Democracy, but i'd still want them to play Welcome To The Jungle, Sweet Child O' Mine, You Could Be Mine, and Paradise City, as they're my favourite GN'R tracks, along with Estrnaged, but i doubt they'd play that live if they're doing stuff like TWAT and Madagascar

Don't Cry and November Rain would be nice as well....

My stance stays the same on GNR concerts. They're my favorite band and I'd so see them anytime they are performing anywhere near me. Even if the came here and played all covers, old old tunes, all new tunes... whatever. If GNR is playing live and I can get to them, I will

Axl Rose just needs to release his album and bite the bullet.  You can try to rationalize and make excuses, but at the end of the day - a promise is a promise - and if you go back on your word, fine, but that doesn't change the fact that it's going back on your word; there's no other way around it.

I wouldn't mind at all...I WANT MORE new songs..but you have to have the old ones as well..

whatever the setlist is, I'd wanna hear jungle opening the set, no matter how many times I've seen it, hearing that opening riff followed by Axl's scream never gets old.

cd will do nicely as well.
then jungle can open the encore set.  :-*

Its the WTTJ premusic that gets things going IMO, you just know somethings gonna happen then pow....the next two hours something become special.

Perhaps, I'm selfish, but I haven't seen the band in years, and I want to hear a mix of old and new.

It stands to reason that the vast majority gotta say the set they got at a GNR show left nothing to be desired. :yes:
But won't you feel otherwise in ...say 2012, after you see several shows of the mixture and get 20 plus mind blowing new songs in your player?

Wait, you didn't see a GNR show in 2006? How come!

I have to agree with you...I look forward to my next show.  The last one I went to was great! : ok:

December 2nd, 2006 - Minneapolis, MN @ Target Center

Setlist: Welcome to The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Live And Let Die, Better, Robin Guitar Solo & Jam (with Dizzy & Frank), Sweet Child O' Mine, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, You Could Be Mine, Dizzy Piano Solo (Angie), The Blues, Down On The Farm, Band Introductions, Richard Guitar Solo (Angel), Richard & Robin Guitar Duet (Beautiful), Out Ta Get Me, Piano Moving Jam, November Rain, I Feel Good [snippet], Used To Love Her, IRS, Ron Guitar Solo, My Michelle, Rocket Queen, Patience, Nightrain

Encores: Chinese Democracy, Madagascar, Paradise City

It is a long story, I won't bore you with the details.

No

I think it would be quite refreshing AND ballsy for them to do it

Especially if this album is actually released by the time they tour ( perish the thought)

I agree. I thought it's common sense that most people would go see their favorite band no matter what they played.

The set lists isn't the deal breaker, at least for me.




/jarmo

i agree with that. no matter what they play i'll be there if i can.

in regards to the original thread question i don't know yet whether i would like that or not.

it depends on the quality of the songs on CD : ok:

I thought this was a precondition.
because the topic asks whether we'd be angry or not. how can anyone get crossed about a show they don't bother seeing.


But now I'm guessing those that can't afford many shows have to get choosy, maybe?

Good point. Of course, we would go to any show no matter the set list. but, just for sake of discussion, we would prefer the new songs. we have heard the old tunes for over 20 years now. the new guys need their time in the limelight. and, yes, some people just have so much money to spend on entertainment and several of these people would rather spend their dough for a gig where they play the new material. so, its really not common sense for all fans out there. maybe for you and me, but im not gonna speak for everyone.

well lakersaregreat Bad news for you the songs played live proved to be crowd pleasures.

so you gotta wait till the majority call for a full chines at the show.

What I said was, I thought it was just common sense that fans go see their favorite artist/band when he/she/they come to play in their city or close by.

I'm not talking about casual rock fans.

I'm talking GN'R fans who love GN'R enough to consider GN'R to be their favorite band. It might be their only change to see GN'R on the whole tour. I don't think these fans won't attend because they suspect the band will play a bunch of old familiar songs.



It's another thing if you live in a place like L.A., New York or maybe London that gets more than one show. Then it might still not be a question about the set list. Most fans would go see all the shows in their city but things like money or work/school might get i the way....


So the point is, I don't think people here (hardcore fans) care that much about the set list at the end of the day. We just want to see a great show or shows.

Additional surprises etc. are just icing on the cake for many of us.

Obviously there's a vocal minority who love nothing more than to try to stir up shit by whining about the set list even though they're not attending any of the shows.




/jarmo

Yep, I can see the same vocal minority whining when the band plays all new songs as well.

posters are either big fans or those several malicious peeps that wouldn't see a show anyway.

so whether a poster would attend or not is not the question of the thread. that's what I wanted to add.

On a side note, I think forum fans are in the minority at a GNR show.

Casual fans might have whined if the band hadn't played a bunch of old familiar songs.

Na I'm sure as far as the performances are great like in the past shows, they won't complain either.

its not bad news at all for me. ive been to many of the shows and loved them all. all im saying is that i would like more new songs played. that's it. and also, when did gnr base the type of shows based upon what others think? they have always done the shows on their own terms, not anyone else's and thats fine with me.

Hopefully those times are over. Next time I see GN'R live I hope that everyone in attendance has had the opportunity to digest the new material and will be able sing along, dance and have a great fucking night because they loved the new album so much. A 50/50 split of old and new would be awsome for the fans and the band, I bet these guys can't wait to play out the material they have been working on for so long.

GNR is one of the few bands I'd still pay to see.

I don't know if it's an age thing or not but when you are 39 going on 40, you kinda can't and don't have the drive to just sit through any rock concert.  It has to be someone or somethng that is worth seeing and GNR is.

When I was in NYC at Hammerstein, the first night, I was on the floor and the second night I was in the balcony and I actually enjoyed the balacony seat way better than the floor position.  Again, I think it's an age thing but being able to actually sit down and watch it was cool.

If you're just gonna set there like a lump you really should stay home!

thats a prettty dumb attitude.  and while I usually prefer standing up on the floor, I have gone to a few where I sat in the balcony area and it was a cool experience to sit there and take it in.   

Are you fucking stupid?  I explained to you why I prefer the balcony seating experience over the floor experience?  Sorry that I am not 15 and jump up and down like you probably do.   ::)

Don't worry Dolph, I'm down with you. : ok: Being an old Buck myself, I love the balcony. GA is for Younggunnner and the mix it up crew. :peace: Hammerstein shows were killer. I always wanted to see Ax in a small theatre and it didn't get any better than that.... :beer:

Thanks madagas.  Now the Tommy show in Atlanta, I even sat down at one of the 5 tables they had in there.  But I got there really early and sat through the first 2 acts.  When Tommy came out, it was more crowded, but still intimate and it was fun.

My bad. I was bearing the topic question of 'what if you see them play no gnr standards at a show in 2008?' and  my 'I'd personally love it. helluva ballsy thing to do' answer on mind.
so I guess that was bad news only for me then. :hihi:
but not really.  like you I every time love to see whatever the band plays. I may say otherwise when they starts an all country standards tour tho.
I love to see the ballsy set when the band themselves feel it's high time.

that's true they never do a thing based upon what others may think. others being those who should mind their own businesses.
there's an old saying in the entertainment world your audience is god and  I think the band do care their very audience.
They stated that they play for the people at the show...., that's where everyone is pumped up and casual fans turn to big fans.....those concert goers are still talking about how electronic the shows were and as how no other rock band comes close to it. Long awaited and long-acting that's gnr.

experience shows that a good concert takes a good crowd and not only good performers and other conditions. 
A rock concert is interactive. It may not as participational as electro house but it's not one-way as a mika recital lets alone a ballet/classical concert.
We may say we see a show but actually we are not there just to see/hear/enjoy the band performance. We take a part.

But with GNR it's phenomenal. No other band could  possibly make the crowd so naturally or supernaturally involved in their show.
I thought the eight were one but at a show the whole house whether the gallery or the floor, casual fans or diehards, rocks as if it was a one huge organic body. It's surreal. you might feel like you could clearly see the swells of the huge energy surging up and down in there. I'm sober btw.
Maybe The band loves it too?

If the songs were mostly not familiar to the crowd, the crowd would be still impressed but that'd be rather unilateral not like the above phenomenon.
On the contrary, when the songs are familiar...
So, god knows what set after the release, and there's an old saying that the audience is...


Lets infiltrate the greatness of the new songs into as many friends as possible when the album comes out. : ok:

Dolphin, I had all sorts of seating options for the Hammerstein shows, I agree that my favorite seating position was actually in the first balcony, I was near the center in the first few rows and it was amazing to sit back, stand, and take it all in without having anyone bump into me or acting wildly. :peace:

As for the setlist, I agree that us forum fans probably would like to see more new songs, but in all actuality, the setlist they play is great for the casual fan, which makes up more than 3/4 the audience in my opinion.

 :beer:

God damn I hope Gnr tour again soon.