Here Today... Gone To Hell!

First, I'm sorry for the poor english translation, the original article was on a Portuguese website.

Second, I dunno about how reliable is their source, or if it's just wishful thinking. But anyways, feel free to delete the thread if it's just bogus.


Guitar Hero Aerosmith special edition

Next June will be released a new edition of the popular guitar simulation game, this time exclusive dedicated to Steven Tyler's charismatic band.

It's gonna be called Guitar Hero: Aerosmith and it put the gamer to play the classic tracks played by guitarists Joe Perry, Brad Whitford and bass player Tom Hamilton.

Rumors says there is another Guitar Hero versions soon to be released for Guns N' Roses and Metallica.


Source: http://exameinformatica.clix.pt/noticias/software/996362.html

Hope this is true. With Aerosmith and GN'R my two most favorite bands of all time (with Metallica, Faith No More and Pink Floyd rounding out my top five) this will be a great treat!

if there ever is one with GNR I'd hope it would be after CD though

Before Guitar Hero 3 there was a rumor floating around about having a new GNR song in the game. Maybe it would be a great way to promote the first single and the new album. :D

I just think it would be way too cool to be able to play Better, TWAT and other new songs too, but if it's just about the old songs I would be glad enough if they could put Locomotive and Rocket Queen. :D

I would think Axl would need to sign off on that, and that's the only way I think he'd do it . . .   But what to I know?!?!?!

Sure hope it's true though!

new songs or not, me too would love to see Robin.  :P

That would be great to see that game dedicated to GNR.   Not sure how that would work based on the way it looks like the Aerosmith one is being done.  What you do? Be able to pick between the old band and new band?   

Well, I guess it would be only about the new band, if they are indeed doing it to promote new songs.

Maybe they are workin close with the record company, and it is one of the ways to promote the album  : ok:

thats awesome...i pitched this idea to Beta awhile ago.Im sure this has been in the works before that(if its even true) but I have always thought bands should use Guitar Hero as a means of promotion.


....I have a few ideas but I would really like to tell you about one of them and see what you think about it.

One way in which the band can promote CD is by being the first band to have its complete album on Guitar Hero and or Rock Band. All kids today do is play video games. Why not partner up with Guitar Hero and or Rock band and have them make the game for Chinese Democracy?

The game would be like it is now but  the songs would only consist of whats on the album and maybe a bonus or 2.(all that can be worked out)

I think its a descent idea. It would be another form of revenue for the band and or the label. It would also introduce this type of promotion to the market. ...

Youngunner - I totally agree.  If you look at ITUNES, etc.  There top selling songs are from Rock Band and GH Series.

by the sound of it the rumour doesn't really hint a promotion of a new album tho.  ;D

that would be fun

Peace

It would be absouletely fuckin' awesome!

As awesome as it would be I can't see it being true.

Steven Tyler and Joe Perry have worked close with Activevision to get this thing off the ground, and in the game you're going to assume the roles of the Aerosmith guys and rock from when they were a small shit band no one knew about to the band they are today.

As cool as a Gn'R Guitar Hero would be, I don't think anyone would work with Activevision to get it rolling.  I mean, Slash would, but could they do it without Axl's consent?  Even if you could get Axl involved (which I'm sure wouldn't be that hard) would Axl want it to be based the old Gn'R?  No way, he'd want it to be the new Gn'R.  Would Activevision put out a Guitar Hero based on the new Gn'R?  Probably not, they'd want the old Gn'R. 

Maybe they can just go ahead and do it anyway, but I doubt that they can.  It'd be awesome, but I think that's the only way we'd get to see it done, if they based it on the old band and were able to do it without Axl's consent.

Or base it on greatest hits and have unlockable characters from both old and new GN'R with a bunch of fictional characters (like other versions of the game) with a bunch of songs that inspire GN'R God knows there are plenty.

I don't think Axl wants to deny the past existed, he just wants people to accept that it's over.

Since GN'R and videogames consume my life, I'd easily sign off on this. I'd love to play Pretty Tied Up and Nightrain, and hopefully they could fill the game with a ton of fan service.

i hope it only focuses on guys who are actually in the band now as opposed to people who abandoned the band and left it.    this lineup needs more exposure and giving them a guitar hero game could be a great way to introduce GnR to a new generation.   including ex-members only confuses things and leads people not in the know to believe things that aren't true.

they might just end up putting in the old band if they decided to really make a GNR GH game. id love to see the current members but i dont see that happening.

It won't happen.
not realistic,

they will not give away new songs to games, adds, or whatever.
the harley thing was to fast. they won't pull of another harley and see a new song float on the internet.


Let the boys focus on the stuff that they are working on now.

let them anounce the big statement this summer (june/july)
let them tour, september/march.

I'm sure they would at least think about associate the new album and single with videogames. It's one of the most profitable things in industry right now.

Or did The Collective told you it wouldn't happen? ::)

The release of something like this would be great promotion, but only to coincide with the release of the album - not as a primary marketing tool for the band to introduce new songs.

It would be cool though, to play Robin solos, Richard Solos and Bumblefoot solos all based on different levels of difficulty, as well as a special bonus feature that you can unlock where you can do Axl playing the guitar during the "Madagascar" solo.

The new BAND will NEVER be the focus of anything until they actually do something. Touring under the name gnr and playing 95% of someone else's music is not doing something. That is being a cover band. No offense to the new band, I love em, but anything gnr will ALWAYS be axl, slash, duff, izzy, adler (and sometimes matt) until the world (not just a few people listening to half done leaks on a message board hears something NEW.  The old band have had HUGE tours, best selling cd's, and will NEVER be forgotten.

Yeah this is true. The current members of the band are all amazing musicians in their own right and have great chemistry playing together, but until the album is officially released, they're not going to be known, and GNR will always be associated with the old lineup.

I know that most people just go to see GNR to enjoy the classic songs and are indifferent to the lineup, but its just disappointing that the current members of the band don't get their due recognition, and at this time, to most of the crowd they're just "that dude whose playing bass now with GNR" or "the guy with the beard playing guitar".

but something like Guitar Hero could CHANGE that perception so many people wrongly have.    Including former members is only going to further confuse and it would be a slap in the face to the guys in the band who actually deserve it.

I don't understand... Wouldn't this game be a good way to promote the NEW album and, because of that, would include the new members?

I'm assuming if this is true that it would be attached with the new album. The new band won't release anything untill the new album is out, just look at the Vegas DVD...

Yeah of course it would, I completely agree, also with what Jim Bob was implying.

But it's not enough just releasing a game with their likeliness (sp?) and the album with their credits.

People need to actually be 'introduced' to the band members and have genuine interest and excitement in their position in GNR, otherwise they'll be picking up the game and saying "Damn, there's no SLASH, ah forget it".

I think this was a fake thing some guy over at CD.com came up with and make a fake cover art. I'll see if I can find it.

Cool if it would happen, but I doubt it :/

Guitar Hero should be about both old and new. Without the old lineup, you would NOT have this current lineup of GNR.  I don't like  stirring things up since I have my own things to worry about, but I'm sick of reading some members ragging on the old band. It's like give it up already. We don't know the entire story and NEVER will. All of them are to be blamed for the success and demise of the original Guns N' Roses. With this new band, I'm interested in hearing the new songs.

In Guitar Hero, I would LOVE to  hear Rocket Queen, Mr. Brownstone, Nightrain, Civil War, Don't Damn Me, Breakdown, Estranged, TWAT, IRS,  Chinese Democracy and  Madagascar.  Obviously the shits will be on Huitar Hero.

Yeah, I think it was mentioned before that it was just fan cover art. I think someone might have posted it over here, but I can't find it now.

It would be a good idea though, to capitalize on the consumer interest with Guitar Hero

Yeah, this could be done. Personally though I was expecting that such an idea of releasing a GNR specific Guitar Hero game would be based on the release of the new album, and the new band members.

Of course they could find ways to implement all the band members both old and new and base it on career modes or special unlocking features or hidden extras or whatever.

Maybe make the foundation of the game based on the new band and new songs and when you complete a career or a mission or whatever, then you unlock the bonus feature and you can play as any of the former band members, and also unlock more old songs or something.

I just feel that the release of such a game, which would undoubtedly coincide with the release of a new album or tour, should first emphasize the current lineup and existence of the band.

Yes it COULD change the perception, BUT only with new material. SCOM is a song by old gnr, as is PC, and everything else we know and love. You cant put those songs on the game and say it is by these new guys. Its just not possible. And I dont think the new guys would want that either.

Now there is a great idea! Nice post. Agree 100%

Well, I dunno. The source is a portuguese site about informatics stuff. Also, they mentioned Metallica too.

But yeah, I don't know if its credible.

if this rumor is true ill be cool if career mode will be like a gnr time line where you start off playing shows at the roxy either being able to play slash or izzy and as years go by you get more songs to play and what not and by the year 2000 you'll be able to play as the new band members along with the new gnr songs

Honestly I don't like the idea of GNR of doing an exclusive GH game.  GH 4 with a CD song will be okay.

Still think them having a song in GTA IV would be more effectiv.

If the idea behind the game is to include the classic GN'R songs, then only the old band deserves to be included in it.  There's no way around that.

Ali

i think its a great idea and the game will sell like crazy not because its GNR but because its a guitar hero game. plus this is another way for people who never heard gnr to get into them.

do you seriously think the old guys would sign off on the music being used on guitar hero if they weren't in it? if they did it it would be a majority of songs, if not all songs written and recorded by the old band.

to put the new band over that would be a slap in the face to the guys who wrote the songs and made them huge.

the only way it would work is if they all agreed on a changing faces situation where you go through the evolution of the band, so it features all the members from old and current.

All this "old vs new" shit is getting boring. Slap in the face this and that.

People quit the band, they left it behind.



If they made a game with GN'R's music mixing old and new, who the hell would expect the former members to be the ones doing the work? They're supposed to be busy with their current band(s).



The current band is what keeps GN'R going. Don't forget that.






/jarmo

i've seen the new band multiple times and loved it.

the music is what keeps gnr alive, nothing else. and right now what music can you legally own from guns n roses?

that which was written by the old band. so don't start with bullshit about the current band keep gnr alive.

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It's the legend that keeps GN'R alive.

Ironically i just saw a sign for Guitar Hero: Aerosmith at the mall tonight. It said July however.

yea, I just think if they were to do Guitar Hero, it would be in the band's best interest to make it exclusively about the guys in the band now.     One more thing to show these naysayers that GnR is alive and well post-Slash.

 yeah it was announced last week about aerosmith having its own gh game which is the cause of gnr or metallica gh game rumors

What band did you see live multiple times?

If the music is what keeps the band/artist alive, how many times did you see Nirvana or Jimi Hendrix in the last few years?



You can twist it anyway you want it, the fact is, those people walked away (except Steven). Yet you still think they have some kind of right to use the GN'R name because they were part of the band in the past.

If there's old music used anywhere, those guys get credited like they should. As the songwriters.





/jarmo

I think this would be an awesome idea.  Unless it was sold at cheaper price, the game is going to need at least 50-60 songs.  That pretty much means every song GNR ever written.  Mind you, GNR is/was a band that knew how to cover a song, so I guess you could throw in all the songs that they covered (think Godfather theme).  I don't care what anyone says, this would be an amazing way for GNR to promote new material.  A lot of bands that people have forgotten or kids haven't discovered have felt newfound fans because of the exposure.  I had never heard of Priestess until Guitar Hero 3 and I've got to say that they're pretty amazing.  I'm sure millions of kids would have the same response if they bought a GNR-oriented version of Guitar Hero.

Also, I don't think Activision would need Axl's approval as it's my understanding that Axl sold the publishing rights to Sanctuary for $19 million a few years ago.  This is why over the last few years we've seen GNR songs in more movies and video games (btw, not sure if this is mentioned in another section, but in Gone Baby Gone there's good use of acoustic version of "You're Crazy"). 

The Guitar Hero series is a gold mine and a lot of money can be made off of licensing fees.  I think in 2007 alone, the series sold upwards of $800 million dollars. 

Not that it would ever happen, but it would be pretty awesome if you could choose the character based on real people.  Traci Guns, Slash, Zack Wylde, Dave Navarro, Robin Fink, Buckethead, Richard Fortus, Bumblefoot.  That would be pretty cool if you could use a different GNR axeman. 

Well, a boy can dream...


Cheers,

Andrew

Going on from what Jarmo said, yeah, I would think that the release of a GNR exclusive Guitar Hero, particularly if it coincides with the release of the forthcoming GNR album, then it should ideally only focus on the present band members and new songs for the most part.

The current members of GNR need their due recognition as individuals regardless of the legacy of the band.

SLASH and DUFF were and still are an important part of the history of GNR, but in the present tense, they are not members of the band.

What GH would want is the old band. They've already seen how marketable Slash is. Guitar Hero is not a platform to launch new music with. They wouldn't want to have anything to do with the current band.

Besides, who is in the current band? Would this dream game have Ron Thal in it? Considering that the recorded solos are very likely BH's, who do you put in the game? What about a drummer? Baz just said the alums were all done by Brain, it's unclear if he's still in the band, Frank certainly is.

The old band would create an interest that the new band couldn't for this game, considering this game honors rock legends and classic songs, not promote new singles. But the old band's discography can't hold up a full game. So... just sprinkle in a GN'R tune anytime a new game is coming out. A re;eased GN'R song.

awesome hope its true if so i'm getting both. I'd also likek to get one for KISS if they have one eventually


:peace:

That would be a challenge - learning to play some Paul Stanley riffs!  : ok:

This would be great...if they had the new Axl braided look on the cover with Buckethead/Robin beside him!  That would be perfect!

anyone want to photoshop that  ;D but instead of bucket since he's not in the band no more put ron or richard

Would the NEW album be good way to promote the game? If we assume the game will be released well before CD?
Even if the CD is out there average guitar hero addict would ofc want to hear/play old GNR, not new. They want to have shady silouette kinda looking like Slash out there, not shady silouette kinda looking like Bumblefoot.
People want classics and songs and characters they have been recognizing for years/decades. They don't want IRS and Robin Finck.


" We want to offer all you rock lovers a pile of cool, familiar rock tunes to digest! Such as Dude Looks like a lady, Get a Grip, Janie's got a gun by Aerosmith, One, Enter Sandman by Metallica and IRS and Chinese Democracy by Guns N' Roses!"

I have to agree, can you imagine paying your hard-earned for the GH game, then not being able to play SCOM?
What's wrong (logistics aside) with the old band playing their songs, and the new playing the new, like career mode?
It'd be like the story of GnR up to and including the recently released Chinese Democracy. It could be good.

i saw guns n roses.

and you can put as much bullshit spin on it as you want,

guns n roses:

AFD era Axl Slash Izzy Duff Steven
UYI era Axl Slash Izzy Duff Matt Dizzy
and current era Axl Dizzy Tommy Robin Richard Chris Frank/Brain Ron

now take into consideration the format guitar hero uses, going through stages of a bands life from starting out to the present time.

and seeing how you love having all the accurate information regarding gnr and hate it when people lie about the history.

would it not be rather fucked up if you had the current era playing in a small club doing some afd songs. and then playing with a UYI style backdrop doing songs they've never performed.

in much the same way it would be fucked up if they just used the old band and had them playing stuff from CD.

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also considering they also have slash mo-capped it wouldn't take a great deal of work to put that over into a new version.

First off I am dying for the aerosmith version. I am not a gamer at all, but I had my girlfriend buy me Guitar hero 3 for Christmas and love it. I am gonna get the A-smith version the day it comes out this summer. I did read tho that they plan on having you play small clubs in the early seventies all the way til now, which causes problems for an all GnR version. I personally wouldn't be offended or care if they had the new band playing in some club in 85', however how fucking awesome would it be if you could play 2 versions of the game? One version you start in 85 playing clubs, then tour appetite, then the illusions. 2nd version could start around 01 touring, play an awards show, tour CD. You would need all members from the old band and new to sign off which makes this highly unlikely but it would still be pretty rad. In the first version you could "battle" vince neil and in the 2nd version tommy hilfiger.

Very good. So you'd expect Slash (of Velvet Revolver) to appear in a video game promoting his old band who's releasing a new album (assuming that's why GN'R are the subject of  special edition of the game)?

He already did "his" Guitar Hero. I just don't see him doing another one especially if it's associated with a new album by the current band.




/jarmo

And if the Guitar Hero: GNR comes out with some old songs re-recorded by the new band?

Id love to hear that... Would have kinda the same tracklist as the live setlist.

I'm afraid that would never happen.  Look at what happened with Black Hawk Down.

Ali

Jarmo makes a good point here.

Either way someone make a song list of what they should put on thier. Keep in mind that often influences should be there as well, not just GN'R songs. I figure Rolling Stones, Soundgarden, Zepplin (Immigrant Song), Nazereth (Hair of the Dog) are all musts.

Here goes:

Tier 1:
Guns N? Roses ? The Blues
Guns N? Roses ? Welcome To The Jungle
Guns N? Roses ? Pretty Tied Up
Aerosmith ? Mama Kin

Encore: Guns N? Roses ? Live and Let Die

Tier 2:
Guns N? Roses ? Better
Guns N? Roses ? Used To Love Her
Guns N? Roses ? Human Being
Soundgarden ? Black Hole Sun

Boss: Bumblefoot - Guitar Battle
Encore: Nine Inch Nails ? Perfect Drug

Tier 3:
Guns N? Roses ? Locomotive
Guns N? Roses ? Paradise City
Guns N? Roses ? Anything Goes
Nazereth ? Hair of the Dog

Encore: Guns N? Roses ? Shadow of You Love

Tier 4:
Guns N? Roses ? November Rain
Guns N? Roses ? Nighttrain
Guns N? Roses ? IRS
Weezer ? Tired of Sex

Encore: Guns N? Roses ? Civil War

Tier 5:
Guns N? Roses ? Your Crazy
Guns N? Roses ? Patience
Guns N? Roses ? It?s So Easy
led Zepplin ? Immigrant Song

Boss: Slash - Guitar Battle
Encore: Guns N Roses ? Rocket Queen

Tier 6:
Guns N? Roses ? Chinese Democracy
Guns N? Roses ? You Could Be Mine
Guns N? Roses ? Don?t Cry
Rolling Stones ? Sympathy for the Devil

Encore: Stevie Ray Vaughn ? Little Wing

Tier 7:
Guns N? Roses ? Garden of Eden
Guns N? Roses ? Coma
Guns N? Roses ? Estranged
Jimmi Hendrix ? Purple Haze

Encore: Guns N? Roses ? Oh My God

Tier 8:
Guns N? Roses ? Madagascar
Guns N? Roses ? There Was a Time
Guns N? Roses ? Out To get Me
Nirvana ? Very Ape

Boss: Robin Fink - Guitar Battle
Encore: Guns N? Roses ? Mr. Brownstone

Love the setlist.  Just one suggestion:

You GOTTA end with Paradise City.  Just gotta.

:)

To add to the topic, I think a GnR focused GH sounds like a great idea....and is completely unlikely to actually happen, IMHO.

I know the Harmonix and now Red Octane guys have worked hard to get GnR music into the past couple of games, but from what I've heard it hasn't all been shiny, happy, fun times to do it.

IF it were to happen, I think they'd have to totally ignore the new stuff, and stick with Live, Like a Suicide - S.I. era stuff, AND they'd have to use the existing master recordings.

I'm not sure there's enough impetus to get that done. 

The original band members who've left are not going to let it be used as a promo vehicle for the "new" version of GnR (thier viewpoint, not mine..thus the quotes), and are not going to let the "new" GnR rerecord the old material and definitively call it GnR.  They're also not likely to all hook up to rerecord all that old material together, like Aerosmith has done with some of the stuff for GH:Aerosmith.

And Axl, IMHO, wouldn't want (as jarmo points out) to "mix" the old and the new.  It would, in one fell swoop, undo everything Axl's been working toward for much of the past decade.

So, in all honesty...looking at this realistically now....what are the options?

And are they beneficial enough to GnR, all the players, AND Activision/Red Octane/Neversoft.  It sounds like a lot of headaches, to me, for everyone involved.  I'm not sure the payoff would be "enough" to get all the players on the same page.  I'd venture so far as to say I'm almost certain it wouldn't be...but you never know.

yeah, you're probably right.  :D

Well said. you make alot of good points. If it ever happened I would definately go buy a PS3 but as you said, it seems pretty unlikely. We can dream though.

you think they'd have a guitar battle vs slash and WTTJ in two games?

I have GHIII on the PS3 and it's a really cool game (especially the multiplayer modes), and I'd love to see a GN'R version of it. If that does happen though, I don't see them using new songs or any new band members for that matter. It'd be most likely the AFD/ UYI lineup. I think there's a 99.9% chance that the game would feature classics and no news songs, kinda like a video game version of Live Era.

Plus, Universal/ GN'R haven't released anything related to the new band since Oh My God, and it was almost 10 years ago. I don't see why it would happen all of a sudden, except if Chinese Democracy is being released...but I haven't heard about an official release date so far...

Of course, it'd be great to see the new band and hear the new songs there, but it's a lot more likely to see the old line-up and classics.

In my opinion, you would have to.

I think a GNR GH would be very unlikely, but it would be a great thing if it was pulled off.

I was on the aerosmith forum a few days ago and reading the aero fans who hope they have a single shortly after the guitar hero release (a single from an album they haven't yet started to record). This one guys post about their plans to start recording next month really struck me as a bit of contrast for us:

"I'm sure the product we'll eventually get will be solid, but I agree that they have taken way too long to make this record. I stopped going to Aerosmith concerts in '05 as a form of protest; I won't see the band live again until new material is released. It's inexcusable that their last true studio album came out in '01. With a hold-over cover album, which was very good by the way, there's just no excuse for not having any new material out yet. "


Harsh. I'd love to see GNR do as much as Aerosmith. I'd love to see them do more. Hell, if it was up to me both of those bands would have an album a year and tour constantly. Looking at that post though, and how it seemed so familiar, i wonder if fans are ever satisfied - and maybe we're not supposed to be...

Personally i think a guitar hero, unlikely as it would be, that followed the band truly, shifting lineups and all, would be a kick ass experience. It'd also be fun to come here and read people's complaints   ;D

Dude, this would be sick.  If i could play Guitar hero w/ a selection of GnR songs, i wouldn't leave my basement for about 6 months, except to get beer.

i was at another forum for collectible toys and they have a video game section and someone said they heard rumors that U2 and GNR are supposed to be next after aerosmith.

are you on crack?  Slash left Guns N' Roses 12 years ago.    From a guitar perspective, Robin Finck, Richard Fortus, and Ron Thal are Guns N' Roses.

Has anybodynoticed thatin the press and on TV Slash is always refered to as "Ex Guns n' Roses" guitarist and never Velvet Revolver guitarist. I guess VR aren't as big a draw as GNFR..... :yes:

its simple

vr arent as big as they were in 04
and even then they werent big in todays standards,

Gnr is a house hold name and appeals to every generation.. I mean gnr is a money making machine, vr is not

Slash will never have the fame he did when he was in gnr, thats obvious, But Axl probably wont have the fame he use to have
but considering how he still gets talked about in the press around the world on a weekly basis without needing to be in the public spotlight
says alot about Axl..
AGAIN im not comparing the 2, its just
One person Is hungry for media attention and doesnt get it,
the other isnt hungry and does get it...
Town & country...

and even then they were ex gnr and ex stp.  well we should stop bring them to this section.  :P


prolly I'm alone in thinking this sounds better than metalica and GNR.

You're definitely not alone.

Thankz For Info...

 :beer:

HBK *

I think you have a better shot of multiple GnR songs winding up in Rock Band as downloadable content.

But not older GnR songs....the guys who make rock band already said it wouldn't seem right to have some guitarists songs in their game when he's slapped his face on another.  So I think seeing any classic GnR in Rock Band is not gonna happen.  Also, there won't be a Rock Band 2 for quite some time.  Maybe after Guitar Hero 4 is released this fall and everyone forgets that Slash was in Guitar Hero 3...then you might see some classic GnR.

If you ask me Rock Band is better geared for new GnR music with their relationship with MTV and actually releasing more than like a song every couple months for downloadable content.  Outside of that you may see one GnR song in the next Guitar Hero game but who knows.

this would be awesome... i think it would be great to have all the members from gnr to choose from... you get about 8 diff guys to choose from in GH now... put everyone in there from traci guns to bumble foot and every one in between

That's what I was thinking too.
Nobody is going to make video games based on a line-up that hasn't released anything.
If CD is successful then maybe there will be video games based on Axl's band. Not before.

* newsflash *  Axl's band IS Guns N' Roses, so its not an issue.


nobody in Guns N' Roses appeared in Guitar Hero, so its not an issue.

If you honestly think that making a game based on new era' GN'R is more marketable and profitable than basing it on the classic line up then you have issues. If made , it would contain the classic songs with the "classic" band. Sorry to burst the bubble but a game based on this band is very unlikely , the majority of people don't want to play welcome to the jungle as Ron or Robin , they want to see Slash with the top hat pulled down smokin' the cig.

Slash is in Guitar Hero 3. 

But I know what you're getting at...nobody CURRENTLY in GnR blah blah blah.  But that's not what the creators of rock band were getting at.  Slash wrote the guitar parts for those songs and he's associated with them so its pretty obvious they meant no GnR songs since Slash is associated with the competitors game.  I'd imagine the same would ring true for Rage Against the Machine's stuff too.

meh, fuck slash.     kids are kids and will play guitar hero regardless of who it is.    Might as well use the guys in the band now and promote them.

But they wont because it's not marketable , just because you hold type of resentment towards the guy doesn't mean all the world does. It be a 99% chance the pick the old band , because thats what people want to see. Majority of 'em...

sorry but you are wrong.     your precious old lineup is history and anything released in this day and age should feature the current GnR.   not marketable?  tell that to the 1,000,000+ fans who saw GnR in 2006 and 2007.

how about the 20000000 or more that saw the real GNR  1989- 1993.. There is a huge difference my friend.

I agree with one statement  , key word SHOULD. Why do you have this animosity and hatred for the old band? I really don't understand. Thats great to everyone who saw GnR , but in this video game sense it isn't going to happen. Sorry but YOU are wrong , the game company isn't going to invest money in a band who hasn't released any material , has gone on one tour , and is virtually unknown to the general public when you could release based on a band who made an Jungle and November Rain , fact of the matter is a lot of the stuff should go a certain way but it isn't. Any guitar hero type game would be based on the GNR of yesterday.

You try to turn the tables and make me out to be this anit-GNR person who is infatuated with the old lineup. I'm just being real here.

My friend, come over to the "Dark Side". :yes:

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no hatred or animosity towards the older lineups, but what I do have a problem with is certain "fans" who still come to this site and troll about the old lineups.

blah blah blah real GnR.    take that shit somewhere else dude.   The real GnR is the lineup we have today.   People can either accept that, or fuck off.

^They say "old habits die hard".

Though, I wouldn't know ... burp!!!

But honestly by your idea , to me anyways , it seems that if you think that the old band is better in any aspect or shape or form you are a troll. I'm stating out what I think , and its for the most part its true , and just because it's negative towards the current lineup I'm a troll?


Exactly thats the problem with you its either 100% or 0% , you either support the band or are completely against it... It's not like that.

Well the truth is either lineup is unlikely.  Even if the game makers would want the old lineup, i hardly think GNR/Axl/Management would let that happen. In that sense i think the old lineup would be less likely.

So that's why i think the only way something like this would work is if CD is released or on the way, and some kind of deal is worked out with the band specifically using GH as a promotional tool.

At the end of the day
The OLD lineup are in the past,
over a decade and a half ago, Kids that play the playstation and shit today were probably not old enough let alone born when
Gnr were in their prime, so I agree with Jim Bob, they should concentrate on gettin the band that is current, the band that is happening now,
to be the face of gnr,
And another thing, when chinese de is released,
You wanna see robin/ron/richard playing, not slash,  songs like the blues, better, IRS, chinese democracy, should all be played by the current members in the game
Not Slash

people here are so far up slashs ass (slashITES)  that their missing the present, and what is happening
right now
Ron Richard and Robin are the present!

That's the key here...If Chinese Democracy isn't in stores when the new game comes out (if a GN'R game is really in the works, which is not certain for now), then the game won't contain new songs. I mean, they haven't even released a live DVD of the 2006-2007 tour, why would they put new songs in a video game if the album's not out?

Unless Chinese Democracy is in stores, the game would most likely contain only GN'R classics from the "Live Era". I don't see what's wrong with that and why people fight over this...It just seems logical to me. I've seen the new band live many times and they're all great, the concerts were awesome, don't get me wrong, but everybody's still waiting on Chinese Democracy.

the reality is,  kids, teens, adults that play games such as guitar hero and cannot play real guitar around me
don't know who were in GNR save the singer. :yes:

That reminds me of the guitar hero episode on south park. All the kids were playing and stan's dad came out and said "hey guys I can play all these songs on a real guitar" and none of them gave a shit lol

is this what i have to put up with everytime i browse the gnr section. you going on about the current line up of guns n roses and why everyones opinion is completely wrong and so on.  I usually just browse this section and read it rather than post but you do get very tiresome.

haha.. that is such a ridiculous statement.  look i'm not bashing the new band.  they are all good musicians.  But none of them deserve their own video game.. i highly doubt that any more than 5000 fans went to see the new GNR last tour to see bumble foot or fink.  1mm people went to see the songs that axl, slash, izzy and duff wrote and recorded.  the new guys aren't really anything more than a cover band at this point.  IF they ever release an album or two.  and those songs have some staying power then they could be considered GNR.  kinda like the ACDC lead singer situation.  i don't remember the sentiment before back in black was released.. but i'm sure most people didn't cinsider it a "real" ACDC album.

If you really believe that, then go away.   this site is about the current lineup of Guns N' Roses and these guys joined the band as members of Guns N' Roses, not another band.

They are considered GnR whether you like it or not.

yeah  the band that plays irs better Madagascar the blues and chinese democracy along with its old songs must be a cover band.

 
yep and those gamers will learn about GNR guitarists when they play the guitar hero for chinese democracy.

How convenient of you to disregard the truth. People went to see GN'R, with Axl on lead vocals, perform those songs.

If your theory was right, all the pub tribute bands would be headlining arenas and festivals. They can play the same GN'R songs too!


But of course you'd fail to mention the fact that people would like to see Axl perform and hear him sing those songs.....  ::)



/jarmo

I would like to say that I went to see the NEW GNR when I went to see the only GNR. I went for hearing the new songs that this band created. I also went to hear them play the old songs but, in my opinion much better than old GNR could have ever. The point to this is that there was nothing really special to the old GNR except for Axl's voice. So anything outside of that is a bonus. Which is what you have today. In my opinion anyone that the band and Axl has asked to join has helped the band 10 fold from what they used to be. I think this band could accomplish what Axl was going for from the beginning back when he had dreams of making November Rain and all the songs on UYI I and II. Which is the real songs in my eyes that put GNR on the legends level with Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones etc.

As for what Velvet Revolver has done compared to the material we have heard of GNR on tour and cause leaks I still give the advantage to GNR. Musically the songs that have been leaked for GNR are simply of a higher artistic level and have the ability to hold up far longer than anything VR has done. Honestly I tried to get into VR and I did when Slither came out but, Slither is all I can remember about that album. The rest seemed like filler. I even own the album but, it seems like about a month after seeing them I never listened to Contraband again. Then when Libertad dropped I listened to it via their myspace page and I really only liked the hidden track Don't Drop That Dime. So basically it shows in my opinion that VR will be forgotten. Scott is leaving for STP reunion so I would expect them to not really hold up in time and that Slash and Duff get lost in the shuffle again. Matt seems to always find a home. Which is funny cause I think he is garbage but,I could see him landing on his feet with The Cult again in a few years.

So in the end if you compare the two era's of GNR. This one is much better in a music industry that is dying in general anyway so I do not want to hear numbers and sells and when Chinese Democracy comes out you will NOT be able to compare the numbers so your best bet is to compare it to what is out, how long it holds the charts and read the reviews if you do that sort of thing. People now are dumb so I do not expect much. When you see GNR live now people should be happy what they have it beats what they could have had if the old band never split.

As for GNR in Guitar Hero I would say sure it could go either way. You could have a DLC or you could have a game itself. Thou it is a long shot why not. Guitar Hero is just guitars so you could get Slash and Duff to do this cause that will bascially be all you need. It is not like RockBand which is about everything but a piano and harmonica. So you would not even need Axl or Steven or Matt's in the game cause there would be no point... what would they do? The only toss up would be could you get Izzy? It seems like it could go either way and that if not then you just have Gilby do it. Thou, it also doesn't really matter cause you could just use the Guitar Hero characters. I could just as easily see GNR on Rockband with AFD. Since it will be soon that I hear they are to be releasing albums for Rockband. I would prefer a new GNR in either GH or Rockband but, everyone is right that they have to have a album out before that could happen. I could see Better as DLC when the album comes out. I also think that instead of everyone going nuts on a a GNR version maybe Slash can just whore himeslf out and have his own Guitar Hero since the game only focuses on guitar anyway. Then you just have Slash's Guitar Hero and you play as or with him and have battles and play timeless songs from GNR and VR songs. Maybe he writes a few more bland BS solos. throw in the godfater theme. See if Duff wants in throw him in as a unlockable charcter. Same with Gilby and Izzy. Make a special edition guitar from Les Paul with Slash's signature. Wrap it up ship it out.

I just had a cool thought...
It will never happen but what would be really amazing is you pick a character and start out as the old band and go through the appetite era and based of of who you pick thats where the game goes. If you're Izzy you do juju hounds and solo, if you'
re slash/ duff you tour the illusions, then either snake pit or believe in me-beautiful disease. Maybe as Duff even do Neurotic outsiders, and then with either one of them you eventually do VR. You could also have the option of when slash and duff split to stick with the GNR side and tour CD. As someone who honestly considers himself a fan of both sides and really doesn't care about who said what and which is better I think this would be amazing. Especially cause I think there's a ton of music the past members have created since leaving the group, Gilby included, thats really great that most people have no idea about and they could get to know and appreciate.

Awesome idea, and if you pick Steven Adler you end up on the new season of Celebrity Rehab on VH1.

hahaha yeah, and whining about your speghetti in court.

So are you agreeing Jarmo? I never saw you use that argument. Because I do agree , of course people want to see Axl sing those songs , the songs that the ex members help record and write. Of course all tribute bands aren't headlining shows because they don't have the original vocalist on their roster.

Wow, this really isn't the right place for you.

Bon Scott's parents encouraged the remaining bandmembers to continue using the AC/DC name.

What the fuck?

Honestly. Does it look like I agree with this person who claims a majority people only buy tickets to hear the old songs?


Give the guy some fucking credit already. He was in the band since day one and some of you act like he's not any kind of draw for rock fans who go to concerts.


The same bunch who accuse fans of the current band of discrediting the old band, are almost acting like Axl was the Ringo Starr of GN'R, that he was lucky to be in a band with all those super talented guys.  ::)


You obviously didn't get the point the first time you got banned and then come back pretending you still don't know what this place is about.

Don't you care or is it a question of simply not understanding?







/jarmo

Do you not understand the English language? I just agreed with you , and now you lash out at me? I just said that people want to see Axl sing those songs. You make no sense , I just said exactly what you said that Axl has drawing power , and yet I'm not giving Axl credit?...

all you want to do is troll about the ex-members.   we get it.  but they aren't in the band or the picture any longer so give it up.   you either support the band the way it is or you don't.

No, not when somebody says "so you agree with me" AFTER I said something he/she agrees with.

Sorry, the English we get taught here in this part of the world probably is different from what you get taught.

I think the correct response from you would've been "I agree" instead of asking me if I agree with you agreeing with what I just had said!

I make no sense?

I guess not to you.......



/jarmo

No you don't thats the most ludicrous statement in the world. NOTHING in the world works like that you can never either be 100% or 0%. So you're whole little shit about that is stupid , you can support a band and not agree with certain things going on or certain members. I support KISS , do I like the new dude that is doing the guitar work , not really but he still love the band....

Jarmo I meant , it kind of sounded like you agreed with the statement that people go to see songs made by the ex members , but where saying they went to go see songs sung by AXL made by old members. I was just agreeing that people go to see Axl no matter what....

yea, well in your case you don't seem to care for any of the members of the band, only the ex-members.     Its really this simple.. you either like this band, or you don't.   you are either happy with the band, or you aren't.   and if you aren't happy, which you clearly aren't.. why are you here?

Well obviously I support the band , or else I wouldn't come here. It's not that simple , i just went through that. I love the band , not happy with a couple things and prefer some stuff over certain things but I still like the band. I'm happy most of what is going on , sometimes I'm not fully satisfied sorry if that doesn't live up to your supposed fan expectations. I'm here to learn about the new band , talk about what is going on from a realistic point of view , and to just be a GN'R fan , last time I checked I don't have to justify to you why I am here. :hihi:

what don't you like about the band?  what don't you agree with?   no one said you need to agree with every single thing, but you seem to only care about the old incarnation of the band and you show very little respect to the guys who are in the band now.   Tommy said it best..

Last time I checked the topic was [RUMOR] Guitar Hero: Guns N' Roses? so this isn't the place to discuss what I disagree with in this band.  : ok:

i wasnt really clear..  yes... i meant to say that 1mm people went here Axl sing those classic songs.  i really doubt that many people went to hear bumble foot or fink.   i think they are great musicians... but if GNR were to tour again this year with a whole new band and axl.. The same number of tickets would be sold.  6 years ago the argument could have been that buckethead was the new gnr...  well he left and the band didn't lose a beat.  I really believe you cant consider the current line up guns n roses until some material that they actually wrote sees the light of day.   

-the material you've heard so far
-their place in the band
-live performances
-work done outside of gnr
and so on

so I take it you aren't happy?  then why are you here?

or until you see them live. if you do you can't deny that it's unmistakably guns n roses well evolved.
hbk cvh put it well.



:idea: Rock Band special edition : the Ex gunners!

The problem is, in this WHOLE discussion,  that's not entirely true.

The ex-band members are NOT completley out of the picture.  They're not in the band, that's true.  And I certainly agree with you that TODAY'S Guns n Roses IS the ONLY Guns n Roses....because it has "evolved" into that.

But the issue is that the old band members do have some say into how the old material is used.  And neither the old band members or the current band seem willing to "compromise" on how the "Guns n Roses" material is going to be used.   The old band members insist on having their stamp on it, as is there right, and the current membership (yes, most vocally Axl) wants to let the past be the past, with the new membership putting THEIR stamp on GnR's catalog of past material.

The problem is....I don't see either side "giving" on this one.  Not on a project of this size.  Putting a cover version of SCOM, and an old master of WTTJ on a game? Sure.  Just like PC on Burnout and Jungle on GTA.  But an entire catalog "history" in what is supposed to be a view of the band through the ages?  I just see TOO much fighting and legal wrangling for that idea to turn out as anything more than a pipe dream.  At least for now.

Edit: I want to clarify.  When I say "Guns n Roses" material, I mean the material, mostly on appetite, with the credit given to Gun n Roses.

I like pipe dreams.

Oh, I do, too.

And this one is a great one to discuss and mull over, to some extent.  But the "serious" turn the discussion has taken indicates that maybe a little perspective is in order.

I agree.

jim bob, are you some kind of public prosecutor ? why should the users of this board have to justify what they think about GNR ? who are you ?
imo, you are just one more fan and you should learn to respect other people's opinions.

I think he's basically questioning why some people come here to point out how much the current band sucks. Those people should respect the fact that this place isn't about that.




/jarmo

i don't understand why people who want to dwell on things that happened 10, 15, or 20 years ago choose to come here and insult the band this site is here to support.

 ??? whose cover version of scom? that sitar one or the country one?


peace pipe ones :peace:

i think you are being rather defensive.. i'm here because i like GnR.  i never said i didn;t like the new band.. or the leaked material.. all i'm trying to point out is that.. imo slash's, izzy's and duff's contributions to gnr far out weigh anything anyone in the new band has done for GnR... except for axl obviously.

your problem is you just want to dwell on the past.    who cares who contribued what, the band we have now is what we have and you are either cool with that or you aren't.

edit: i'm just really really really tired of "fans" belittling the guys in the band now simply because they are the guys who replaced their favorite former member.   all these years later its time to finally move on.

Wasn't this thread about a videogame rumor? lol

Would be nice to have some info if its not true. Mysteron?


Anyways, Im with Jim Bob on this one. You surely can love the old songs, but I guess is kinda clear that the board is for people who love the new band regardless. If you want to complain about the present, there's plaint of places (even the dead horse section here) to do that, so why use the current GNR section to talk about the past?

And please, don't go with the "they need to release something first" because all the tours and new material we have is enough to confirm their existence. They already did many things under the Guns N' Roses name. :P

the off topic is
because what songs and what guitarists the game could feature naturally comes into question.

I'd love to see 3 rs (and bh) but in reality i guess the band has to release many new materials to make guitar hero as far as the exes still have the rights of GNR old catalogue.

maybe when they make 'guitar hero: ex gunners' with some old versions of gnr classics or with the covers by their thereafter bands separately, we see GNR's new afd on a game. :P

It would be easier if they just release an add-on for the current version of GH with some new songs (not many) after the album is released. It wouldn't be something that big, but would help a lot to promote the album with kids.

The thing is that people forget to think about how many ways of releasing this supposed GH version is possible. Even if some thinks its unlikely, there's a good chance to have some new songs there. VR already did that with GH3 adding downloads of VR songs, so why not Guns N' Roses in a different way?

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet...as I stopped reading this thread once it became another 'old band vs. new band' thread..., but there's a rumor that the Aerosmith GH might feature DRUMS as well as VOCALS/MICROPHONE!

If they DO end up doing a GN'R version (as this thread originally talked about) I think the induction of these 'Rock Band' elements is extremely cool! I can see future BBQs and parties where five of my friends and family all pick up an 'instrument' and jam out to SCOM or WTTJ! Awesome!

BTW...here's the link to the Aerosmith rumor http://www.dbtechno.com/gaming/2008/02/18/guitar-hero-aerosmith-to-feature-drums-microphone-support/

Some people are really going to be devastated when their first wife leaves them. I hope they get over it; especially when they find out she is doing their friend.

yeah, but i have heard that if you do get over it ,buy the third wife you really have thing down.

obviously i'm dwelling on the past... the last gnr release was about 15 years ago.. what do you want me to do?? imo AFD is one of the greatest albums ever.  i'm not going to completely shelve it for some promising leaked demos.. or live bootlegs
I'm not belittling anyone.. i've said a bunch of times i like the new band.. i've seen  them live a bunch of times... and will prob see them again if tour again to support the album.. all i'm trying to say is that it is totally ridiculous to suggest that if there is video game featuring most of the guns catalog..  it should feature the new band.  if it was a new way to release the album.. and it was only new material.. then sure.. slash and company have no business in the game.. but if it were some thing revolving around afd and the illusions.. the fink and bumble foot deserve to be in the game as much as i do.   like i've said initially.. i think the coolest idea would be to have everyone in the game.. and let you pick who you want to play with.. even have some wardrobed  choices.. goth fink/ current fink.. axl in a kilt/ braided axl ect...  i don't think thats taking away from the new guys in any way.. its just an accurate illustration of the band... it might even be a good way to introduce the new members..  none of this will ever happen.. but in these silent slow times for GNR i've managed to really amuse myself with this thread

I like how some people think that Guns N' Roses demo's are nothing !!! its gonna be on the album there will be a album and when the album comes out it will be a good album guitar hero or no guitar hero Guns N' Roses are just starting so get your popcorn ready.

Well at least you admit you have a problem.

I'm not saying you should sheleve AFD.  It is one of the greatest albums of all time, i don't think anyone here would dispute that.   But the trolling for ex-members in the GnR section is really tiring after coming to these boards all these years because we are positive about the current lineup.

yea dude the way some of these people dwell on 15 years ago, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them got suicidal over something life-changing like that.

I hear you, and i agree about the cool idea...

But the thing is when you say if they made a game with old material "then fink and bumblefoot deserve to be in the game as much as i do" -- that's not true. Did they write it? No. But they are in GNR, and you don't get on stage with Axl Rose and play those songs.
Sure it'd be cool to see a game where you start with Slash and Izzy then move to Gilby and eventually Fink and Bumble or whatever, yeah... but from here on i expect anything new that is released by GNR to involve the lineup of GNR, not the former lineup.

thats exactly what I mean.  The guys in the band now are Guns N' Roses, they should feature on any GnR related release that comes out now.     When MTV did that Metallica Icon thing a few years back, they didn't Jason there, they brought the new guy on.

Usually by the third, they don't care as much when they catch you doing their friend ... hell, it's just sex; It doesn't mean anything.

I am pretty sure Metallica is exclusive with Rock Band now and that their next single is to debut via download on Rock Band, so I don't believe this rumour at all.

Neither.  It was a cover version done by the in-house band, put together by the developer, used to do most of the music in Guitar Hero 2.  Most of the tracks in GH2 were covers by that band.

well then, what about the old master of WTTJ on a same game with that? wouldn't it likely to be also a cover?

and when everysong is to be a cover by the Gh in-house band, do the formers still have their says in what version, what characters?

I dont agree. I think any thing coming out featuring NEW music should be the NEW guys. But the classics have nothing to do with these guys. Maybe you and I should join gnr, would we get credit for SCOM? I dont think so. In reality it has nothing to do with who owns the name. At the end of Bid Daddy with Adam Sandler, if you look closely it says "scom, performed by gnr, written by axl, slash, and so on. The new guys are covering it, but it has nothing to do with them. The Metallica thing is different, that was just 1 member, not a complete new band. When Matt replaced Steven, it was the same. People still liked Steven, but it was still excepted, because he was on the UYI allbums.

WTTJ is in Guitar Hero III, not II.  It is NOT a cover, but an old (in other words, not remastered) master track.  Easier, I think, than trying to convince someone to sign off on a much larger portion of their catalog, no matter which "side" you're talking about.

MOST of the tracks in GH II were "covers" by the in house band.  There were a handful of master tracks, but the majority of them were not.

With GH:Aerosmith, ALL the tracks will be remastered tracks re-recorded by the band.  At least, that's the indication being given in both the press release and directly by the devs.

GHIII was, mostly, mastered or remastered tracks from the artists, themselves, rather than cover versions of songs by the in-house band.

Yes, the developer still needs to, I believe, get the publishing rights to use a song in a video game, movie, or advertisement.  It's not the same royalty rules governing publishing the music on CD, or performing the music live. 

when axl's side gave them the nod to use WTTJ in GH3,
to feature the new versions of old songs in a game may be not so difficult as you think.

about freddiebrphs considering a new version of a GNR classic done by GNR as a cover, which i should leave it to jimbob,  I beg to differ.

I've heard (not like it's been made a big secret of) that the WTTJ deal, for GHIII, wasn't exactly an easy deal to make.  It's also why Rock Band, before Slash's involvement with GHIII, demoed their game with WTTJ, but dropped it as development moved forward: Making the deal proved VERY difficult (and then neigh impossible once the GHIII guys scored Slash).

Take that for what it's worth.

I would expect that if the WTTJ deal was considered "hard" by the devs, that a deal involving ALL the GnR material, through UYI, would be "harder".  All things considered.

And getting the "old" band together to rerecord the "old" material would be neigh impossible.  Getting the "old" members permission for the current version of GnR to remaster the "old" material would also, I think, prove to be neigh impossible.

Which is a pretty big difference from what they're doing with Aerosmith.

Disagree if you like.

I actually agree with what YOU are saying. If it really was a NEW updated version, that would be cool. But note for note?

It happened with the Live Era album. :P

Anyways, I still think many people only thinks about a full release and not an add-on for the current game. Wonder why, maybe because people rather look for problems regarding the supposed release than actual possibilities.

you are wrong.  this band is Guns N' Roses, the songs are Guns N' Roses songs.

I'd love to join GnR, but I don't think I have the chops.   and the band is fine the way it is.   It has NOTHING to do with writing credits.

Bullshit.  Its Guns N' Roses playing Guns N' Roses songs.   Someone leaves the band/walks out/gets fired, another guy comes in and takes his place.  Its not a whole new band, its a continuation of GnR.    And it would be GREAT to see the band do something like this to even further seperate itself from certain individuals who are no longer in the band.

Did it?

I know they were all involved in mastering the audio tracks, and selecting which instrument tracks would be used..  But the only "rerecording" or "sweetening" that I'd been aware of was on vocals (and even that's a subject of much debate).

I'm not sure you could take the same tact with this.

Yes, it happened. I'm pretty sure at least the guitars and vocals were rerecorded. As far as vocals, you should check this thread:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=50094.0

But yeah, I know it would be way harder now. I just said its still kinda possible, although I don't think it would happen at all.

well I think that's because the topic says

that people think about a similar game to the aerosmith one.


save axl's inputs and  maybe izzys.  he may well be cool with that.
 I'm yet to hear jimmy page ever accused slash of stealing his rover riffs tho. :D


No point in doing those things, to boot. Here we're talking about guitar hero GNR, aka current band, not a game of ex gunners.
By New versions I meant GNRs, current you may not the formers or remastered old recordings.
and no it needn't be like the aerosmith one.
why the neigh(?) impossible GH3 deal became possible in the end  I wonder.

nay! freddiebrph said a NEW updated version by the current band would be cool! :rant:

I'm sure no one would like to see the 08 characters with the 80s or 90s recordings.

oh hell yea, if GnR did a guitar hero, I'd like to see them re-record any song that is on it.   A revamped WTTJ with Finck on lead or something would be tits.  :smoking:

they should front GUNS N ROSES music, new and old.

So, using your logic (which makes no sense). if this nugnr never releases any new music, and just plays the old bands material. IF gnr get into the rock hall, it should be these guys? Guys who can play the music, put on a great show, but never wrote a note to the classic songs the gnr family loves? Using your words, "this is gnr". Fuck slash, duff, izzy, and all the others responsible, this is who "bought" the music, so it has nothing to do with the old band?

yet it makes sense to dwell on shit that happened 20 years ago?   :rofl:

here is where you are fucking up.   there is no such thing as nugnr, you talk about it like its 2 different bands.

look at it this way - members left, members were replaced.. its still the same band, Guns N' Roses.

it will probably involve everyone who had something to do with the band on some level.

bought?

I sort of side with the crowd saying the songs by the original line up should be left alone.  I think the best solution, if they could ever pull it off, would be to have a game with the Appetite / UYI songs as recorded by the original members as well as some new tracks featuring the newer guys.  They could then still incorporate the newer guys into the game while still preserving the classic line up.  No offense against the new guys because I love 'em, but everybody here mostly agrees Appetite is a classic album and all the songs on it should be left alone.  Plus, I couldn't imagine any of the new guys would want to be marketed with a game that features all or mostly songs they didn't have any artistic input on.  They are solid musicians; let the public make their opinion of them based solely on the material they contributed on...

Your problem is you think any speaking of the past is "dwelling" , which it isn't.  Am I dwelling on the past by listening to AFD?? By saying I think that Slash plays his OWN material better? I love the band for what it is , but I won't lie. I think Axl's vocals have gotten INSANE the past year  , in '02 it sounded like shit , but of course there where people back then saying the same thing " THIS is Guns N Roses" , if the entire line up changed today I wonder if Jim Bob would stand on the same stand point as he does the AFD era....

dude, all you want to do is talk about the past.   thats all you seem to care about judging from your posts.

the band in 2002 was guns n roses, I saw them.   in fact everyone of those guys are still in the band today with the exception of one guy.     


i love when people suggest what i would do given a hypothetical situation that has about .0001% chances of happening.   It just shows they are grasping at straws.

dude you are completely irrational and impossible to have have a reasonable debate with.  for the 100th time.. i like the current line up... but they are not a continuation of GNR..   its a completely different band with the exception of axl and dizzy to an extent...  i'm not in anyway taking anything away from the new guys...  just stating the facts.  guns n roses would be nothing if it wasn't for the songs that axl, slash, duff, izzy, and steven wrote, and recorded.  on the other hand.. GNR would be in the exact same place the are in now...if bumble foot, fink ect. were never part odf gnr..


by your ridiculous logic... velvet revolver is the same as stone temple pilots, and baz's new band is skid row, and audio slave is soundgarden... other than the fact that axl kept the gnr name... please tell me what the difference is from the examples i've mentioned.   

oh, and by the way.. i'm here because i like the new band and i'm interested in what they are doing and when the will release some new music or tour.    i have no interest in hearing them cover songs from 15 years ago.  or want a video game with axl and 6 other guys that have zero to do with the songs on the game.  you cant have your cake and eat it too.

those are not facts.    That is your bullshit slash propganda.


Guns N' Roses is Guns N' Roses.

for the last time, its not covers, its GnR playing GnR songs.   Who gives a fuck who wrote it.. do you sit there and analyze a live performance that closely that it seriously matters who wrote what when it comes to playing something live?   Just more of your slash propganda that would be better suited for another site.

Guns N' Roses is Guns N' Roses.


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finally we agree on something.  axl decided to keep the gnr name is the only difference..

actually there is a difference.. all of those bands mostly play new material that THEY created together and throw in a few songs from their old bands as crowd pleasers..  Axl plays mostly material he created with his old band and throws in a few songs the band created together.

You have fucking issues. Slash Propaganda?!  :rofl:

A band goes well beyond just a name , Guns N' Roses is Gun N' Roses , by name you are correct. It's funny how when presented with the argument of STP is VR , Soundgarden is Audioslave etc... your response is GNR is GNR....  :rofl: Sorry but Slash Propaganda. We aren't some spies who are brain washing people with evil "slash propaganda"

dude, your dealer must have some seriously good shit... without giving me some bull shit response .. just tell what i said.. that you quoted,  isn't 100%, none negotiable, stating the obvious fact?

this board is just fine for me.. i think you might be better off checking out some sites that might be better for you.  such as 
 http://www.fairview.org/healthlibrary/content/bha_delusion_bha.htm

don't twist my words.   The band that recorded AFD back in the 80s was Guns N' Roses, the band that was touring Japan last year is Guns N' Roses.   Its an evolution, not a new band.   

Where did you draw the line? When did GNR become a different band?
There was a point when Steven and Izzy had already left, and i can't help but think if Duff had left too, this argument still wouldn't have emerged. In that sense i do think it is a lot about Slash with some of you.
Well it wasn't up to any of you to decide if GNR was done or not. It was up to Axl. He didn't form a new band under the same name, he continued GNR with new members. The distinction is not for you to decide.

It's no use trying to compare to other bands, because there's no one formula. Brian May and Roger Taylor tour under the name Queen, without John Deacon or Freddie Mercury! (Mercury obviously is dead, and Deacon retired).
In the case of GNR, all the members (except maybe Steven) seem to be happy with what they're doing now, AND when Izzy wanted on stage, Axl was more than happy to invite him.
People go to a GNR concert to see GNR, not to see a new band that does some GNR covers. It has to do with that old Axl quote that was something like "I never had any intention of denying you (the fans) something you love."

And it's not about taking credit away from the old lineup. Of course the songs they wrote still belong to them. Of course they should get into the Rock Hall for AFD and Illusions. It's just that they're not in GNR anymore. When something is released with the GNR name, why would it involve anyone who is not in GNR? The writing credits will have the names of those who wrote the songs, new or old, and any pictures images new performances or lists that start with "Guns N Roses is..." will have the current members. Which to me, seems obvious.

From the thread you list, it doesn't mention anything about the guitars being rerecorded.  In fact, the only info in that thread seems to indicate the guitars and percussion were left alone.

That "jives" with what I've always thought/heard/assumed, too.

That Axl re-recorded vocals, but he was really the ONLY one recording anything.  While the others had "input" on the tracks, out of necessity to get it done, he was really masterminding the project.

Given the "shenanigans" afterwards (the re-recorded SCOM, the ATTEMPT to get a re-recorded WTTJ into Black Hawk Down, and the ensuing lawsuits), I'm not sure that would be copasetic with the "old" membership, now.

Then you would not be able to use ANY of the old catalog.  Because either the new band would need to re-record it...somthing the "old membership" has proven they won't allow...or the "old membership" is going to have to reunite to re-record the old material.  ONE of those things would need to happen, if it was going to go the route that Aerosmith is going.  The devs don't want old master tracks.  They want the band to be actively involved in creating the games....so you have to go one of the two routes described above.

The GH3 deal wasn't "neigh impossible". It was difficult.  Because it was using ONE song, and an old master track to boot, it eventually got done

Which is nothing like what we're talking about here.  You're talking about ratcheting up the degree of difficulty by huge factors (both number of tracks AND remaster/rerecording of those tracks).

Let me put it like this:

It's hard to build a house.  It's almost impossible to build 20 houses, on top of old houses, with a construction crew that constantly bickers about ever design decision, really dislikes even being in the same place at the same time, and needs the architect to negotiate the placement of every single nail, all at the same time, in a week.

That's sort of what the devs would need to undertake with GnR.  Because there are time, design, and development constraints they need to adhere to....it can't be an open ended process that drags on for 6 to 8 months at a time.

The thing is...and I hate to beat a dead horse...is that the "old membership" still has say in how that material is used, especially in relation to publishing (which this would be) rights.

And, as the "Black Hawk Down" scenario pretty clearly showed, they are NOT going to allow the "current GnR" to re-record and front that old material.

So what's left?

If you wanna continue talking about whether or not GN'R is GN'R, which it is, take it to Dead Horse.

GN'R still exists no matter how much you wish for it not to.




/jarmo

When GNR released November Rain video, I don't remember people bitching about having Gilby instead of Izzy there. :P

Anyways, would be awesome to have two guitars joysticks playing at the same time for more complex stuff of the new band, like the TWAT ending. :D

I clearly said "as far as vocals" when I indicate that thread. :P

Im pretty sure the guitars were rerecorded too. I can hear the difference, as I said in that thread.

I fixed my messy bit in the quite.
l've never objected to re recorded old songs by the current/cd era band and the current/cd era characters being featured in the game.

you erased your words I quoted but you said 'to remaster' and not 'to rerecord', which reminded me of something like greatest hits (remastered).



anyhoo axl's side agreed to their using the track.
When there is something I'd like to be realised, I prospect for its possibilities rather than its 'neigh' (what this horse doing here? :hihi:) impossibility.

I think a game is a good way to introduce the members and again it doesn't necessarily need to be done like the aerosmith GH.

YOU might not.  I think....no, I'm almost certain...the "old" membership would.  Or is that what you're saying?  That you're not arguing the point that it wouldn't happen?


You're right.  It's a typo.  What I MEANT was:

" Getting the "old" members permission for the current version of GnR to rerecord the "old" material would also, I think, prove to be neigh impossible.


Which, as I've explained, is quite different than using an entire catalog, and tinkering with it to update it.  I don't think...hell, I KNOW..that the use of ONE track isn't really a great indication, one way or the other, of what's being proposed.  Disagree if you like.


Wanting something and seeing it as being realistic isn't the same thing.

I WANT GH: Guns n Roses.  I REALIZE it's unlikely, by looking at the situation logically, at the past contention in using even the smallest bit of material, at the current "tension" between the old membership and the current band members (especially Axl) and call it like I see it.  I'm perfectly willing to allow for disagreement.  I respect someone having a different opinion...I just don't see a strong basis for it.  Single Tracks in GTA, GH II, GHIII, and Burnout just aren't compelling examples because they're so different than what we're talking about being necessary here.

As for "it doesn't have to be like Aerosmith's GH"...well, the thing is..that's what the devs want.  THAT kind of band involvement. That kind of material.  It's what they see as a way to differentiate THEIR product from "Rock Band".  So while YOU wouldn't mind seeing it be "different", it's not the direction the devs have said they want to go in, and have now headed in.

Remember, this is ultimately a business project, not a fan circle jerk.  The ultimate goal is to create a product that appeals to the masses, with the least effort yielding the most amount of money. I just don't see HOW they could enter into a deal with GnR, all things considered.  They would likely not be able to get exactly what they want as far as material, the process would take (if history is any indication) an inordinately long time, and it would be filled with contention.  Why bother?  You think GH: Guns n Roses would sell better than, say, an offering from another, "easier" band to work with like Metallica or Kiss or U2? Honestly?  Unless they could bring about a full scale reunion (unlikley)..working with what they'd likely have to work with....I just can't see it.

in short you're trying to prove the rumour is bs?

I think any deal takes give and take.

and even in everyday life, when you do a favour for someone, you're more likely to get a return favour next time than when you don't. (I personally don't expect it tho.)

just wish that new direction would be released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  i need CD before i die

No, I'm not trying to PROVE anything.

I'm trying to demonstrate why I think it's unlikely.

And in business, ultimately "give and take" is modified by "benefit of compromise" and "length of negotiation".

In other words: If you feel you have to give too much, or it takes too long to reach agreeable terms, then the deal quickly loses value.

And the use of WTTJ, Paradise City, SCOM...none of them were "favors".  They were negotiated business deals.  There is a HUGE difference.

more like the approval for it than the use of them.

no one is worrying about whether GH gnr is likely or not at the moment. time will tell. if not now it can happen someday. basically this is not a gamers board for the people that can't wait for the game.

from fans point of view, if soon, it should introduces the band  that made cd to the masses, as cd's finished. it's not a time for a game on good old days.

you're right games are not a fan circle jerk. the majority of gamers aren't die hard GNR fans. they don't know who plays what solo, who were in/who are in, don't care who wrote what, as far as the game is good. for that reason gh would be a good idea all the more.
Rock band is also fine.


otherwise, I'd love something like 'final fantasy : Chinese democracy' with several cd tracks and the orchestral versions of them.  the GNR members would make great ff characters.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as Axl is singing it's GnR, period and I know many agree. Of course many others disagree and will say, yeah but Slash/Duff/blablabla wrote those songs too!... whatever man, take away Axl's vocals and singing melodies from those songs an all you have is just average 80's rocksongs with a few nice riffs here and there, which sound like they stole from some old hardrockband and altered it a bit. Same goes for the new songs btw.

Axl makes songs sound much better than they are. No I am not a an Axl fanboy, just a casual listener to GnR, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Rainbow, Soundgarden. Of course die-hard fans wil totally disagree with what I say, which is fine.

I saw something about the Aerosmith game that said it will feature Aerosmith tracks plus tracks by artists who were influenced by Aerosmith.

Any chance of Back in the Saddle by Baz/Axl being included maybe?

You're right you aren't an Axl fanboy
You're an idiot.

Take any aspect of the song away and it looses value , thats like saying It's only GN'R if Slash is playing , take away his solo and all you have is blah blah blah. Each current and former member of the band ( with the exception of maybe Gilby ) has contributed a large part to what GN'R once was and is today. It is down right stupid to think Axl=GN'R.

Keep it up, second ban for you coming up really soon...



/jarmo

IF they did a GuitarHero GNR

It would be the old members seeing as they wrote the songs.

U of course arent gonna get a Guitar Hero Guns N Roses however.

When it comes to Guitar Hero, Axl wouldn't factor into it, since its GUITAR HERO.


Would be kind of weird having a guy on the box who didnt write the guitar part dont ya think?

You mean just like Dizzy, Gilby and Matt were featured in the GN'R pinball?

 :P



/jarmo

How was that bad in anyway?

IF CD is out, then yeah u could have a great mix of all of them.

But imagine a GuitarHero Guns N Roses box with Robin Finck on it and the songs are WTTJ,SCOM,PC etc

Robin seems to be a guy of integrity and individualism, So Im pretty sure even HE wouldn't go a long with something like that.

You're insulting other posters.





You don't seem to get it so I'll spell it out for you.

The GN'R pinball machine featured music that had nothing to do with Gilby. Yet his face was on the game along with Dizzy and Matt.

Those guys were the ones in the band at the time of the game being produced.





/jarmo

thats different though Jarmo

This is Guitar hero which focuses on "THE MUSIC"

If a guy didnt write the music, I don't see how they'd even want to be on the box like they did.


Would the box include the old members and the new members?

Or just the new members?


Cause Guitar Hero is about the "Guitar Playing"

So u really think Robin would be on a box for a game he had nothing to do with the creation of?


Pinball is totally different because it has nothing to do with the music, so they can be featured on a box as a band.


When it comes to all time legendary riffs and solos, They didnt write them so Im sure they wouldnt want to be on a box like they did.


If the game includes New songs, then sure they should be on the box. If its only a game though that features Old GNR songs, I dont see it.

they also probably had zero say in the fact their faces names were being used on the game....

in anycase, this reeks of double standards. One minute we have to disown the past members and let them do their thing as they "ain't in GnR". The next minute we're supposed to be open to the NEW band fronting OLD material???

as i always, i will state the fact that i don't prefer one line-up over the other, before i'm called a "hater" or whatever....

I dont even like saying Old GNR vs New GNR
 

Doing that acknowledges GNR as two seperate bands.

If Guns N Roses are an ever evolving band as Axl says, Then it should just be Guns N Roses. U have the Slash,Duff,Izzy,Steven Era

U have the Illusion Era and now u have the Chinese Democracy Era


So basically, the game would come from the early era of GNR so it should feature the early era members.

Stop obsessing about the people/names.

If there's a GUNS N' ROSES video game released, I wouldn't be surprised if it would be about the current band since Axl owns the name.


Why do you think the former members would let their names be used to promote GN'R?



Obviously the only thing that would be certain is that the game would contain GN'R songs. Just like the pinball.




/jarmo

Its not really a big deal seeing as in the game u only hear the song, It isnt like they have a big pic of the band playing it anyway.

Id say for the game cover it would be a logo kind of deal anyway.


Why the fuck are we all arguing over something that isnt even happening? :hihi:

I guess because you want everybody to know what a great GN'R supporter you are?



/jarmo

I am a GNR supporter but if u are putting AFD songs on a game, I can't see how u can justify putting guys that didnt create it on there.

i never really considered gilby as big part of the band...  he was primarily a for touring to fill in izzy... sorum on the other hand played on most of UYI albums.. so while he wasn't an original member.. he was the drummer on a double album of original music...  the pin ball machine also wasn't using a song izzy or adler made famous.. i think the 2 are very different.  if you want a game featuring only the current band.. then it should only be for new music.... the best solution to this debate is to include all of the members.. start with the original... and make so that you have to beat songs to get new characters... hell make it so you have to start with tracy guns,,, and you have to beat some songs just to get slash

Lets get the new album first then we can all worry about Guitar Hero.

putting the new band on guitar hero is not a bad thing to do....it will raise discussions of all sorts on here and similar communities, it may provoke and interview or two from Slash and/or Duff with whatever comments they may have for it.....but at the end of the day, we're getting GNR in the main publicity arena again.....how some of you see that as a bad idea i just don't get....

thousands of fans bitch and moan daily how the world does not get the opportunity to get to know Robin, Richard and the others, but when something like this comes up, then its a problem to associate them with the songs they've been playing for years now....

getting them out there for general public to get to know them and bring the band up to date in rock public's eyes is a great idea, and GH is an awesome platform to do that.

a lot of people forget that Robin is actually the longest serving member (guitarist) of GNR....EVER!!!!......longer than Slash even....
so if anyone deserves to get publicity kudos for anything, its Robin Finck....

excellent points.

people put so much emphasis on who wrote what, too much in fact.   IF something like a guitar hero for GnR was to come out, it should feature ONLY the guys in the band currently.  Make a statement to the entire world and showing them who GnR is in the year 2008.   Putting the older lineups in would only cause more confusion about the band then there already and the guys in the band now deserve some recognition. 

I thought Jarmo made an excellent point about the pinball machine.     They made it based on who was in the band at the time.. this would be no different.     It would be members of Guns N' Roses showcased on Guns N' Roses songs.   Who gives a fuck who wrote what.

Its a horrible idea because if you are GNR u should be about the "NEW GUYS" and not making it look like they are a cover band playing old material. If u put them on a box of old GNR songs, it looks like they aren't capable fo standing on their own.

SO it would be a horrible idea to put the new band on a game that features songs written exclusively by the old members. People arent stupid. They'd see that and think "What the Fuck?"

well, that's the catch 22 we've been in for the last 10 years....the current band is commonly viewed as a very expensive cover band by the general public...

and one of the reasons this is so is because there has been no publicity or decent PR about them...so guitar hero won't hurt them too much, worst case scenario it stays like it is now...which we're all used to....

the new generation of rock fans will need to start learning about these guys sooner or later, so you might as well stick them out there...

ideally, it would be best if they featured with some of their own material...but if we can't have that....i'd like to see them on there anyway....

we got nothing to lose, they got nothing to lose....if its up for grabs....might as well do it...

Do you honestly think that this would happen, or are you just saying it because you seem to be upset about the microscopic possibility that there might be GN'R related products out there without your hero's picture on them?


 ::)


/jarmo

It would be great if a game could somehow reenact their supreme performances at the recent shows.  :drool:
gamers would love the characters.

arguing about this is / seem pretty pointless. Doubt that this would happen .

But just to put my two cents in. I don't/wouldn't care if it's the current  or former member in the game . cause the game would still kick ass.

lets put it another way. I think that Slash, Duff, Izzy, steven are all evry proud of their acomplishments in GnR, its something personal to them and its a huge part of their life. I think that they would be disapointed if they were not recognised for their talent and hard work.....

that goes for the current line-up, i think they would like to be recognised alone for their acoplishements with the band (i.e new material), and would feel uneasy fronting somehting that haed nothing to do with them.....

bring to a personal level. if I spent a lot of time on something, and was very proud of it. I would be pissed off is someone passed it off as their own work, or made it appear that they had some great involvement.

Not that i think the new band want to be associated with the old songs. I dont think they have a say so, and im not sure how much of a say axl would have. i think it would come down to the record comapnay and there would be some long drawn out legal wrangle (not that we wouldn't be used to that)............

Hello? You don't have to put anybody's pic on the fucking box.

IF this dream of yours were to come true, they could put the band's name and a logo on it.



Nobody's taking anything away from the old band here. It's just fucking common sense.


Axl owns the name. So if a game company wants to use the GN'R name in a game, they better ask him for permission.

And if their idea is to have a picture of Slash on the cover, do you think it'd happen? Come on....





/jarmo

I dont think the guitar hero gnr will happen,
well at least not now

Axls not going to want a gnr guitar hero to come out , Especially before chinese democracy does,
after all It might take some of the shine away from the new band, And seeing how Axl didnt want the greatest hits to come out
I very much he will want this to come out
Id rather cd to come out first and Ill bet that it does

IF GH GN'R DOES come out, I doubt it would be any sooner than right before X-Mas...but probably later (perhaps around this time next year). With GH Aerosmith coming out in June, I doubt they'd release another one so soon after.

That said...there's plenty of time for America's Most Wanted album to be released before a GH GN'R.

It would  be nice with different gh games featuring GnR, An Apetite/Lies-game , an Illusion/Spagetthi-game and a Chinese-game with all the games featuring charachters from each era :drool:

Fuck all this. Release Chinese Democracy as a complete album on Rock Band 2 NOW!

considering Shackler's Revenge made it to Rock Band, I would imagine that we'll see a couple of songs added to Rock Band before too long.

I would imagine a DLC track pack including: Chinese Democracy, There Was A Time and Better??  :drool:

As a player of Rock band i know they're going to have released 500 tracks by the end of the year and that there is about 100 left to go! The Killers are out tomorrow and a No Doubt track pack is due.

How great would it be to get a Chinese Democracy track pack/ all the album on RB for Christmas!!  :beer:

It would be sweet to have it on GH... but it's a stretch

I was thinking about how cool this would be on my way into work this morning.;

And then....it hit me:  There would be at least one song that might not translate too well..namely, This I love.

No guitar or bass, except for the solos.  Drums and vocals, really, only.  I'm not sure that would go over well in RB.

The rest of it, I think, would work pretty well.  I'd LOVE to play IRS!

That is a good point but, in the game there are challenges during the tour, and the challenges seperate that rely on either just a specific instrument, or singing. It could a be a good vocal song for a singing challenge. Playing that solo would be cool though. One time I was playing RB2 and going through the tour and there were 2 instrument challenge came up and it was guitar and singing. I couldn't do it because it was just me. I guess I could have taken it online but, that would be a different mode. Eh, I don't know. You know how it gives a rating per instrument for each song? So you know how hard the song will be for each respective instrument?

did anyone hear anymore about this? Imagine how great it'd be if they had the re-recorded 'appetite' on it and songs from 'chinese democracy' playing as Buckethead would be awesome!! : ok:

Just give me Chinese Democracy (The entire album) for Rock Band 2.

I'm really hoping for this soon too!

DITTO!!!

I'd really like to play the entire album!

Metallica released a special edition of their album (thourgh best buy) with a download of the album for GH3...I believe...it might have been rock band. 

but if that opens the door for other bands to do it.

Given the way Axl slagged Activision for the way they handled the whole "Slash/WTTJ/GNR" situation...I don' think we'll see a GH game featuring GnR music any time soon.

HOWEVER, at the same time, he said he THOUGHT that CD was slated for a full release on Rock Band 2.  His response wasn't absolute....he "sounded" a little unsure, but he did day he thought it was going to happen.

I think as more time goes by, the less likely this will happen.  I could be wrong, but besides a handful of bands, aren't most of these full album downloads released simultaneously with the real release?  I'm guessing that there will be a few songs off of CD, but will be pleasantly surprised if the whole album becomes available.

No. Actually most of the full album downloads are classic albums.

I was thinking that too but I wasn't sure so I didn't wanna argue.