Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I say get new singer.  I still like Kid Rock, but whatever.  Time to start thinking of future.  I want a real rock singer if does happen.  I hope band can keep together, but if not, we need plan B. 

Kid Rock with these guys would be a laughing stock really. I think Slash is going to go solo , Duff is going to focus on family life and keep some projects kicking , matt will do random gigs and dave will go back into hiding. I still think someday Slash , Duff , and Izzy will share a stage once more with Axl.... so i see that happening in the future future... But as I said I think it will be like 95-02 again lol

I've heard the Kid Rock in VR thing before, don't know if it was from you or not.  Is that really feasible?  I mean why would Kid Rock join VR?  He's doing fine on his own isn't he?  I think VR needs Kid Rock much more than he needs them.  Doesn't he sell out shows on his own?  Why would he join a band that has less of a following than the band he's in now?

Guys, you are right!!!!!!!!!!  I just like Kid's rock and roll attitude and he proved to me on his last album he can really sing.  Plus he does have star power.  But lets face it, Kid is huge, still, he doesn't need VR.  But a one off show with him would be amazing.  He is a great showman.  And he is a legitimate rock singer!

I think Slash solo record would be cool, but he can't tour behind that really, could he?  I can't beleive Scott has this much impact that if he leaves, everyone else is dead in the water.

I think Slash will play with whomever he can. lol. Duff will do what he did after leaving GN'R, hopefully get Loaded back together like it seems is gonna happen. A Neurotic Outsiders gig here and there would also be great. Sorum will do the occasional gig with Slash, Duff or Gilby. Dave Kushner is the guy that has got the worst end of this. Hopefully he can get a new gig , he is a helluva guitarist. Hell maybe Scott will get his shit together again and they will make another record after this STP things runs its course. I cant really see the Deleo brothers putting up with all of that drug shit again. It seems to me that Duff has had his share of it aswell. I do hope for his kids if anyone Scott can get himself well.

I also agree that sooner than later, Duff, Izzy , Slash and Axl are gonna share a stage. Maybe not even a full on tour maybe just show up someplace and jam. Stranger things have happened.

Chris Cornell?

Just throwing another name out there.

Haven't heard that rumor anywhere but he was good with Soundgarden and Audioslave. He's doing solo stuff now isn't he?

Yeah he is.  He was on Stern awhile back and he seemed happy being solo.  Not sure he'd want to join another "supergroup". 

If this were to happen, I certainly hope all the other guys don't go back to where they were before.  I've gotten a taste of Slash & Duff together again, which is the best (for me), and along with Matt (which is awesome).  And I like Dave. These guys kind of belong together, dammit!  If it ends, fine, but this was kind of an awesome concept, here.  For good or for bad. 

What do I think would REALLY happen?  Slash will go on, probably do the solo thing next and eventually another band.  Duff will go back to his family and small gigs with small Seattle bands.  Matt will do session things with whomever.  Dave will be back to before - hopefully might get some better gigs just because of this.  I hope that all doesn't happen.  I don't even want to really think about it....

Get a new singer obviously, but I don't see it happening. They'd all just go their separate ways, I suppose.

Now don't get me wrong, I love Kidd Rock. However, I just don't see him in Velvet Revolver. He seems to like being on his own.

Who ever came up with Kid Rock, here, in the first place?  Are you out of your mind?  That's the last choice, I think! 

i think tom morello said something about chris likes it more when he's the center of attention with a backing band or something

Cornell is losing his voice - check out any Audioslave and solo bootlegs*. On top of that, if he were to join, he may want to play Audioslave songs at gigs...no thanks!


I remember reading that somewhere too. Guitar World? Cornell was great in Soundgarden but I could fertilise fields with the dung he has produced since - including most of what he did with Audioslave.

Nice idea, though. He is a supersinger without a supergroup, after all. But I really hope not!

*This is bound to rustle some feathers. Just what I think, that is all.

I could see them possibly firing Weiland some day, it depends on how much patience they have-I honestly don't see him reuniting with STP full time-I believe in the press release for Rock on the Range either Robert or Dean said something to the effect of "the time we are about to spend together", which sounds like probably just the summer-I think Scott will always have issues with drug abuse, and it seemed like the the brothers from STP had even less patience with him than VR ever would-I think the last tour with STP ended with Scott almost getting into a fistfight with one of them

I don't think you have anything to worry about lol. When and if they start talking about new singers for the band I'm pretty sure his name won't even come up.

fuck kid rock, that would be fucking hilarious "YEAH IM A HICK MOTHERFUCKER, I REP THE ROCK SO THE ROCK CAN ROLL!!! GIMME A SOLO SLASHIE-BIZZLE"

dude, KR is ok man : ok:

although i wouldn't love seeing him with duff,

i've posted a list of frontmen a couple of times. so won't do that and i have talked about what could happen next too so i should stop type now

Damnit!!! I am the fucking idiot that said I would love to hear VR and Kid together!  Its my fault!  I just love his voice in a rock setting, its dirty and gritty just like Slash and Duff.  But anyway, its unrealistic.  I know this.  THEY NEED TO KEEP VR GOING.  I watched the Rock AM show from about a year ago.  They are a kick ass band.  Scott is the weak link. Period.  This band deserves a class a singer.  I like Scott, but there are better.

Don't be so hard on yourself.  I like Kid Rock too.  I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do with Slash and Duff.  But yeah, it's not gonna happen.  He has no need for them.  Maybe they could collaborate for a few songs, but it would go no further than that.  Maybe before Kid got big, but not in this day.  It's okay to have your own personal dream scenarios.  I'm just afraid this one ain't coming true.

As for what happens with VR.  I'm sure they're getting a little tired of Scott's recurring problems.  Their patience is probably wearing thin.  Duff seems to have a lot of "other" interests.  Music could become a secondary thing for him.  But I think Slash has got a lot left to offer, and the drive.  He loves to play, and will play with anyone but I think he loves being in the spotlight too.  So I'd expect him to try to hook up with a known commodity.  I know there's been rumors that the band has fired Scott already, but I don't believe them.  I don't believe they're ready to call it quits just yet, though they might be close.  I think they'll give Scott time to clean up his act, AGAIN, do his time with STP and see if there's still something there.

I've seen this line of thought a few times in this thread (and others) and really don't agree.

First off, with STP reuniting its as though Scott has in effect fired the band for at least the summer.  He's chosen to go down a path without the VR guys, simple as that.

Scott holds all the cards, he's the one with options and can't lose either way.

I virtually guarranty if given the choice between finding another singer or having Scott focus on VR - Slash, Matt, Duff and Dave would to a man prefer Scott stay.

Good point Falcon.  I know many people don't care much for Scott, but he was the lead singer of a pretty popular band that he can fall back on.  The others were members of GNR, but I don't think Axl's looking to reunite anytime soon.  VR is a better gig than anything Duff or Slash can do on their own.  It's a lot easier to start/join a band as a singer than it is to search for one.  I guess that's why lead singers can afford to screw up so often, they're the hardest to replace.

Its fucking amazing to me how the weakest link has the most fucking power.  He has brought the least to the table and it pisses me off when you have Dave, Matt, Slash, and Duff without a propper singer.  The singer should fucking sweat rock n roll and know his role.  Scott apparently doesn't know his fucking role.  This band could be monster.  It really could.  Well, lets face it, we all know why it could.  I would take a 65 year old Mick Jagger in VR right now!  Why?  Because he gets rock n roll.  He knows what its all about.  Ozzy, ya, I would take him too.  I would take anyone with Balls that "wants" to be with these guys.  A mans man.  A guys guy.  Not a pussy bitch with attitude.  A guy that realizes his voice is an equal to everyone else's instrument.   Though the frontman, an equal.  Not trying to outshine anyone.  But who could fill that role?  This is what often brings me back to the "R" word. But if the "R" is not an option, and since  Bon Scott is dead, who could it be?  This band could be AMAZING!!!!!  Right now they are good and sometimes great, but they can be more than they are!  Scott helped get their name out there. But now it may be time to hand off to someone else to catapult (sp) this band to new heights.  Someone with smaller ego and larger range.

Chris would never join VR but his voice is far from shot, he sounded horrible with Audioslave live but he sounds great these days-
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gAyLdBWDiYI

Saw Cornell last May, he can still wail.

He did stuff ranging from Temple to Audioslave, and didn't falter once.

He's doing good on his own, I just don't see him working with the VR boys.

Are you saying that you think that Slash, Duff, Dave and Matt would be o.k. with VR being essentially relegated to a less than full time project?

That's what I don't believe.  When Slash, Duff and Matt were in Guns, it was a full time gig.  When Slash had Snakepit going, it was something he went full on towards.  The last several years, VR has been everything to these guys as far as a musical outlet goes. 

I don't see these guys being like Maynard James Keenan, juggling multiple projects like APC and Tool.  And as a matter of pride and principle, I would hope that these guys don't let Scott Weiland decide for them what their work schedule will and will not be.  Because let's be honest, if Scott does STP again at least part time, there will be limits and parameters on when VR can work.

These are some of the finest hard rock musicians around and although they can make great rock music with Scott Weiland, they don't necessarily need him to make great rock music.

Ali

In fact I think Duff and Slash have openly admitted that music keeps them off the path of destruction. They won't deal with part time shit.

VR could steal POets & pornstars frontman :yes:

Nope..

Saying I believe they'd much rather have Scott focus on VR than look for another front man, for whatever reason(s).

No idea how they would react to VR being a less than full time affair for Scott, I expect they'll have a "wait and see" approach.  As in "wait and see' to how things shake out with STP before making any kind of decision on how to move forward.

I have a hard time imagining that this STP reunion will be just a one-off summer tour or something.  That's the problem.  STP will get back together and I'd bet that they'll feel the chemistry and creativity flowing again.  Slash, Duff, Matt and Dave can wait around to actually see that happen.  Or, they can be proactive and decide for themselves what is best, whether that's sticking with Scott, even in a less than full time capacity, or going with someone else who may be more available.

Either way, I believe with the STP reunion and Scott's stated desire to do a solo record as well, the days of Scott Weiland focusing on VR are over.

Ali

Same here, once the ball gets rolling they'd be foolish not to give it a go.



I think there's also a chance they may not move ahead in any capacity at all as a unit without Scott, each going their separate ways and pursuing other interests.



Sure does look that way..

Yeah I kind of find it hard to imagine they'd just try to replace Scott and continue on with Velvet Revolver.  It's not like VR was a hugely successful band like Van Halen, ACDC, etc. that can survive on their music regardless of who the front man is.  Would they really bring someone aboard to learn 2 albums worth of material that really didn't get well noticed the first time around?

Really, I think we all just need to wait & see what happens, here, instead of speculating about all of this.   

I dunno...I just don't really see VR continuing if Scott decides to go on with something else which to me seems like a very strong possibility. Let's face it...VR will never be as big as STP were, at least here in the states. And with all the crazy attention reunions are getting now-a-days if things go well between Scott and the Deleo bros. for these reunion shows STP could easily become a full time gig. And I think Scott is def. going to do another solo record sooner or later along with his talk of acting and writing it all adds up to spreading himself too thin to be involved much with VR. I think if that happens the other 4 guys will fall into doing the same things they did before VR, at least professionally. Duff will always be playing with somebody, Slash will make appearances and probably start releasing solo records. Matt's a talented drummer and will find work easily, maybe as a session guy.
As far as Chris Cornell, whom I am a tremendous fan of, no way he joins VR at this point in his career. After the Audioslave split he said in about a hundred interviews he has no desire to be in a band and likes having full creative control of his songs.

This thread is all about speculation though.  That's what it was started for.  Sure none of us know what's gonna happen or what should happen but we all have our opinions.  Hey maybe VR will continue on and be stronger than ever, I just don't see that myself.

Like I said earlier, how Scott has all the power is beyond me.  If Dave left, they would get another rythm player.  I guess Scott > Dave.  I know that is a stupid thought process, but each member should be equal.  And I feel Scott is just as replaceable as anyone else.  That kid from Silvertide had a good voice.  Hell, give him a shot.

Is the STP reunion confirmed then?

The STP reuinion was confirmed but now they've been taken off the list of participating bands on the Rock on the Range website.  So I guess it's still up in the air. 

As for Scott having all the power.  It's a nice thought that all members in a band should be equal, but that's not usually the case.  The singer gives the band a definitive sound that's tough to replace.  I've never heard of a band putting out 2 albums that didn't exactly set the world on fire replacing their lead man.

In all fairness, Velvet Revolver is for lack of a better word, a supergroup. I'm quite certain if Slash left the band, they wouldn't look to replace him and continue on with the band.  Again, they just don't have the material or the following to survive. At least, that's my opinion.

You do realize Contraband debuted at #1 on the Billboard charts, spawned two number 1 singles, a Grammy for "Slither" and has sold nearly 3 million records domestically, right?

It's seems as though you're diminishing their success to a degree, not a fair assumption based on the facts above.

Whether they think they've got the brand name recognition to move ahead as VR without Scott is a much more relevent question in my estimation.

I'm aware Contraband was a success, yes.  I'm also quite aware that Libertad quite frankly bombed.  As well as their debut did, the follow up could only be seen as a dissapointment.  Therefore I don't think they have the staying power to continue after replacing a key member, such as the lead singer.  Not to diminish their success, but a lot of artists have won Grammys and sold lots of records only to fade away. 

I like Velvet Revolver, I'm not a hater.  I'm just being realistic.  I don't think the future looks too bright for the band. I hope I'm wrong, I hope they come back bigger and stronger than ever.  But I wouldn't bet on it.

I'm on that site right now, and both their picture and name are still there... ???

It was the Rock Fest where they were confirmed but later removed...not Rock on the Range.

STONE TEMPLE PILOTS, POISON, TESLA and BOSTON are among the confirmed bands for the Rock Fest 2008, set to take place July 17-20 in Cadott, Wisconsin.

http://www.rock-fest.com/

I personally think they will try and stick with Scott.  I am in the minority but i have always liked Scott. I was pretty excited when it was announced he was gonna be in a band with Duff, Slash etc.  I never really got into STP until the 'Tiny Music' album was released. That is a great album. Weiland more or less abandoned the "grunge" type of vocals on that album and he really showed how versatile of a vocalist he was. That in turn got me interested in there previous albums. Back on topic, i think if Scott for whatever reasons doesn't come back to VR i think they will call it quits. I just dont see them going through all of that again as they did before Scott. It was pretty apparent on the VH-1 special they were exhausted from it. I for one am pretty excited about this new Loaded album and tour. I have always been a big fan of Duff and Loaded's album 'Dark Days' is probably my all time favorite album (hence my screen name). Getting a chance to see them live would be the ultimate for myself. I also liked what i heard from Duff on the interview posted here that was done with his wife. Taking bass lessons to change his playing, etc. I could tell he was going for a different style on Libertad and the tour, Until that album and tour i dont ever recall Duff playing without a pick and he did quite alot on the Libertad tour. That was also mentioned by his wife in the interview.

I would like to hear what they recorded prior to Scott joining the band with other big vocalists that stopped by Mates Rehearsal Studios to help them jam out with a singer. Izzy of course, Gilby, Steve Jones, Joe Elliott from Def Leppard, The Cult's singer, etc.  That stuff would really be interesting to hear.

Sorry about that, I stand corrected.  I thought the fact they were taken off the list was because there was some doubt to whether they were getting back together, but if they're still on for Rock on the Range, I guess it's all still a go.

The thing is, VR has always sounded a lot like STP, which is to say that the lyrics and musical style fit Scott. If VR were to hire another singer I am not sure that any of the music would fit. The songs seem natural to Scott and the way he sings and moves. I just can't see another singer fitting with the music as it is, so VR would have to change who it is. I don't think a new singer could do the songs off the first 2 albums. So I would say stick it out with Scott until and unless it becomes impossible.

I see what you're saying, but there has been bands in similar situations who have gone on to success. John Bush sounded nothing like Joey Belladonna and Anthrx still made some cool tunes with him. Plus the whole Vanhagar thing.

Hello lawsuit!





/jarmo

Let's not go down this road in this thread, please refrain.

What about Daughtry?

I kind of like some of his stuff he has out, and he did that one song with Slash.

It is an idea.

Have you seen Daughtry's sales? I'm not sure he really needs these guys either.

My guess is that the band would get a new singer but I don't know how you could still call it Velvet Revolver.

Then they'd be nothing but a pop-rock band writing songs for the sole purpose of making cash. I REALLY don't want to see these guys do something like that.

If they ever made a CD with Daughtry, I'd buy two of them.

One to shit on and one to wipe my ass with.

Ali

I just think we should wait and see.  I've expressed my annoyance at Scott lately here, but I still think VR rock and I'd like to see them keep going.   We'll see.

^ I doubt they'll ever do some stupid shit like that , I mean Slash didn't even want to play at Key Club with Izzy and Co so yeah. Anyways Ali wins for post of the month lmao!

Perhaps they could change the name of the band to 'Silky Revolvers and Tulips'??  :o  :confused:

The big thing about VR is the dynamic between Scott and Slash/Duff. Can't see anyone filling his shoes and still call it VR.

I think the future of VR really depends on how well the STP reunion shows go. If they draw huge crowds and the band gets along great, I think it?s possible that they could reform. That said, I think at this point, Weiland would be lucky to have another album that sells more than 3-400k, whether it?s with VR or STP

Just watched the Carrie Underwood clips of her doing paradise city, if Scott leaves, get her ass in VR!! They would be huge!!!!

She'd have to gargle bleach like Josh Todd to get her voice raspy enough. :rofl:

Does not compute ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RxwEA3PAvw

wow, I would love here in my band.  She can fucking sing!  May matt could finally find a girl and bone the singer?

If Wieland were replaced, I would think that they would want someone that could write.

lol personally I think she sucks.... she?s just another Jessica Simpson type of a country singer... and what?s with having to play like 2/3 gnr songs in every set? doesn?t she have enough good songs of hers to play and get her crowd excited? lol...

Ines, don't be so harsh.  Jessica Simpson isn't country.  ha!  Carrie is DINO Mite!  Let Duff and Izzy write the lyrics.  Who gives a fuck.  He is beautiful, has attitude, has range.  3 things weiland doesn't possess.

lol Scott ain?t beautiful...ok...is VR supposed to be a rock band or a boysband? now im slightly confused... yeah, maybe I was too harsh but still, I can?t see what the big deal with this girl is, and what?s the difference between her and all the others that pop up every year, sell a bunch of albums, and then dissapear...

Ha!!!!  Ines, I meant to type SHE is beautiful, not He.  I think I just want to stare at her for 2 hours while I rock out. 

Now, if they made her over, she could be a rock singer like Nancy Wilson is. 

Fine, just like my Kid Rock idea, this one is stupid too.  Please somebody, name another singer!

lol I have to agree with you on that!  :hihi:

There are no other singers... without Scott there?s no point having VR... they can start another project over, but no way I see VR surviving with another singer.

ive always been one of the ones who is the hardest on Scott Weiland...but I dont think he should be fired or replaced....if he tours with STP this summer that doesnt mean he is leaving VR...I really hope VR puts out a third record...i was not the biggest fan of libertad but I would buy their next record in a heartbeat...

I think that's what will ultimately happen.  As stated before, Scott has all the power in this situation.  The rest of the guys are just gonna have to wait it out and do their own thing until Scott is either ready to reconvene or decides to stick with STP.  In the meantime they can all do their own things, but I wouldn't expect any decisions on the future of the band to be made.

i like STP.. .but weiland just doesn't do much for me as hte VR front man.  they need a rock singer.. not a gunge alt frontman.   i don't really have great suggestions.. i would have loved to see Josh Todd in the band..   maybe the guy from silvertide.. or i think they should go with an unknown guy.. i'm not worried about finding someone that can write.. some of scott's shit was completely ridiculous.  I was pulling for bach.. but that sure won't happen now that he is axl's number 2

I remember the Nirvana thing. I don't know the details, but I know there was some legal wrangling over the name. I think some money changed hands, and the 60s band allowed the 90s band to use the name.

 :beer:

Basically that's what happened it came down to the $ , I doubt Slash would ever want to be in a band with the names Guns and or Roses in the same breathe , and Axl magically giving the right to is down right hilarious.

IIRC, in the Cobain bio, it's mentioned that they paid $200,000 to the first band to use the name after the latter sued them.

It makes a huge difference when no one has ever heard of the original band.  That wouldn't be the case with Guns.

I had heard of the original band, and I'm fairly sure their record company had too. What exactly are you saying? That it is only possible with bands YOU don't know?

Isn't Chris Cornell looking for a gig?

On the Nirvana thing:  The Cobain incarnation paid the 60's incarnation somewhere upwards of 200k to settle the lawsuit filed by the 60's incarnation.

Whether the suit, ultimately, would have succeeded or not is debatable.  It was just cheaper to pay them off than fight it.

Guns n Roses, though, would be an easier suit to deal with, IMHO.  It's not simply one word.  And, to boot, if the original members were involved in the project, they couldn't exactly plead "ignorance" as a defense.  Indeed, they'd be opening themselves up to a WORLD of (civil) hurt if the legal system sided with the Axl lead incarnation.

I don't think he's interested in another "super group" right now especially since he seems to be enjoying having a solo career.



The whole idea that some of you are still discussing the possibility of Slash and company using the GN'R name, which doesn't belong to them, is ridiculous.





/jarmo

IF and it's a big IF Weiland leaves to reform STP full time then Slash should call up Sebastian Bach and give him the job........like he should have in the first place!

I really don't think that would happen, and if it would, I don't think Baz would take the job.

Ali

The Temptations tour with all replacements while the only surviving member can't use the name for his act, and there are other examples out there. The law is clear on this subject. Band names are legally recognized property.

Maybe because he'd be frightened of the band members intentions considering the badmouthing he's done in the recent past ;) lol

He hasn't done any badmouthing to be afraid of reprocussions from.  At least that I'm aware of.  I don't call saying he'd rather hear Tommy Stinson play "Welcome To The Jungle" with Axl instead of hearing Slash and Duff do STP songs, badmouthing.

Ali

You're right - That isnt badmouthing.
IMO all Baz is saying is GNR songs are better than STP songs. Obviously i can't speak for Slash or Duff but i have a feeling they might agree! It's just Baz has a crazy way of saying the simplest thing!  :peace:

They could use "Axl Rose" as the name of their new group since there isn't a group (as far as I know) with that name yet. You know, like a "Franz Ferdinant" kind of thing.

"... From Los Angeles, California... "Axl Rose" with Slash, Duff and Matt."

If I'm not mistaken, the same person who owns the GNR name also owns the trademark to the other name in various forms too.  And I kinda have doubts that this person would be stupid enough to sign over his rights to it to them.  :hihi:

No they couldn't because there's an insinuation that Axl would be there, so it's misleading and they wouldn't be allowed to do it. They would lose a lawsuit and Axl would collect a check from them. And that shit would get solved quick. Look at the recent issues with the Doors and with the Talking Heads. Very similar and not a lot of luck.

 ... and neglecting everything else, it would be artistic suicide. They would be the laughing stock of the entire industry.

I can't believe you people are discussing that Slash and co. would use the name GN'R or "Axl Rose" as the name of their band. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Drugs, alcohol , eating paint chips...premature ejaculation..take your pick sir.

one of the few times you made a post i strongly agreed with.  well done.

'Well done' from Jim Bob? :o

I'm truly honored. :hihi:

Hey Man, don't take it too seriously. What about "Here Today... Gone To Hell!"? That would be another great bandname. Unfortunately, I think the url heretodaygonetohell.com is already taken.

Anyway, back to the subject...
What if Weiland reunites with STP? Could VR still go on?
Since 'Velvet Revolver' is only an average band name it would be stupid not to change it.

Should Slash and Duff (and Izzy) continue to work with each other?
Hell yeah!!!

Should they look for another singer?
Sure, but I think they know it's not easy to find the right one.

What singer would you like to join Slash and Duff?
I'd prefer it to be Whitfield Crane (Ugly Kid Joe, Life of Agony, Medication, Another Animal). He's got the perfect voice and vibe.

Only thing I've ever heard Whitfield Crane on is "Born to raise Hell" by Motorhead. Is ugly kid joe any good? I always assumed they were lame hair metal for some reason. Don't even remember where I got that impression, I kow nothing by or about them.

I think Mike Patton would be a pretty cool replacement for Scott.

HA Axl would win that in the courts in 5 seconds!  :hihi:

Alright, I asked once NOT to go down the ex members using the GNR name road now it's just gotten silly.

So stop - now.

Non negotiable.

In my opinion Ugly Kid Joe was a great band. But that's just me.
I don't think this was ever discussed here but Del James was thanked in the Medication booklet. Medication is another band Whitfield Crane was in. They only released one album "Prince Valium".

You were asked nicely to stop:




You've been warned.



/jarmo

I still think they shoulda picked Sebastian Bach in the first place. He's a true rocker with tons of energy and his new album is really good. I really can't stand Weiland.