Here Today... Gone To Hell!

why the hell was my topic in BUY Product deleted . It wasn't breaking any rules. Hell at lest the fucker who deleted could have told me , but no that would have taken an extra few seconds .

Not the right way to ask for an explanation by calling a mod/admin a "fucker".

It is just something you need to get used to Bob , my friend.

Maybe it didn't break any rule... but you've just broken one.
 :peace:

Because that site is fucking lame?

You know things get deleted alot here, It's not really about if your post or thread is legit or breaks any rules, it's weather or not the Admin/mods feel like they want to delete something. Sometimes I feel they are wrong, but sometimes they are right. Weather or not it's a right decision, It's their house. I just go to other sites to get info that isn't posted here.

One persons definition of lame is anothers of funny. It is satire dude.

Then more then half the stuff on this site should be deleted too.

Thanks for the lame response.

Fucker. :-*

Stop it you are turning me on.

Listen, only people who take themselves too seriously would get upset by that site. It's obviously satire.

That group would include the admin from gnrevolution.com, who advocated and expedited hacking the original site, and stealing personal information in the process. The same group who essentially "liberated" the files from Brody, are now upset over a spoof GnR site with a similar name? Are you serious? Boo hoo hoo, poor baby.

Pot, kettle, black.

As it relates to that site- I ordered a case. I think, therefor ...

I think its pretty funny.  obviously its a joke. 

its even funnier to me when the powers that be try to shut down sites like that - it only makes them more powerful.  like when obi won kenobi gets killed.

I got a bone to pick and I might as well fucking pick it here.



There is nothing wrong with GNRevolution.net thing. Its hilarious.  Maybe some of u are upset cause the GNR fan not getting laid thing hits too close to home.


Anyhow

What the hell is up with THIS SITE?


I thought this was a Guns N Roses site but on the main news page I see nothing but a bunch of shit that has nothing to do with Guns N Roses.


Is this a fucking "New band Solo Project Website?"

I don't give a shit about Side Projects

This is Fucking Guns N Roses for Christ's sake not a bunch of side projects.


Since day one, The new members have had side projects, other bands, this or that.

Maybe I could accept this band truly as Guns N Roses, if it didn't seem they use GNR to promote themselves.  To me, a band is a band.

U do Band stuff, U don't collect a check and run off and do a bunch of other stuff.

Hey now, some of us get laid, not everyone is married ya know.

Hey now just cause a brother is married doesn't mean he ain't hitting dat ass.

HAHAHAHAHA So fuckin true!

Priceless : ok:

^Yeah right, I have been married a few times. Tell me if this sounds familiar: "No, stop, roll over, leave me alone, quit". :hihi:

He y, My hand never tells me that.

Let me guess, she thought cooking and cleaning where cities in China too?



Comparing GnR internet fans to Trekkies, is it really that far off base? Seen any pictures of the posters before? How many are dressed up like Axl anyway?

1st: yes; 2nd: yes; 3rd: no; 4th; who the fuck cares. I was doing her friend anyway.

hahaha, you crack me the fuck up sometimes.  :hihi:

 :rofl:

I shall drink a shot of whiskey in your name for that one , sir.

Cheers! I'll join you.

So you want the guys to sit on their asses when Guns aren't doing anything?

We're in Nazi-Finland now, better back up your threads :hihi:
Or was it Sweeden.

come on man, we're in Internet  ::)

This from the guy who has like 13,000 posts between all the different Wrestling threads.  :hihi: 

Or is your post in this thread just that witty satire you tell us you're so famous for?  ::)

And what are you you packing? About 3100 posts in the birthday thread alone?

I'm ok with most sites if they got sime nice downloads, can be as lame as wannabe :peace:
Hello Jungleman :PIt has really spread world wide now? :hihi:

Well, the difference being one whines the other doesn't.

Oh, and:

General Statistics - UTAH TAINTS

Total Posts:      10951 posts

The Jungle           7683

If Gypsy is going to remark on D's post history as some sort of slight, then I will point out the hypocrisy of her statement. It's irrelevant that a majority of my posts are in the Jungle, since I'm not the one who made the statement to begin with. I figured that was pretty obvious, but I guess not, huh?




An opinion different from yours (or the status quo du jour) = whine.

and u AdZ has about 1300 posts in the mod section that only you and the other mods can access, right?  :hihi:

OMG you're right, Cheap Jon does rule.

But hey, give Adz a break, he is 145 after all.

The birthday thread tells Gypsy is very attentive to others.


Or maybe it was that 'communist japan'.  :hihi: You see the pattern.
It does seem to have really spread to such an extent that some musician learns from their fans on the net.

Haven't you whined about the same thing in the past?

It's pretty logical, when the members have free time, they chose to use it for different things.

Some play shows or record outside of GN'R.


I chose to inform GN'R fans about that.


As far as I know, a band is not supposed to be like a jail sentence....



For a Norwegian, you sure as hell have a difficult time spelling Sweden right.....





/jarmo

Maybe she could get a job with Hallmark?

I just dont understand why the .net link was deleted.  Its just a satirical funny website. Its like GNR fans aren't allowed to have a sense of humor.

U honestly think Axl would get offended by the stuff on that site? I'd almost bet he'd read it and get a good laugh.



I understand the band members want to do other things and not sit on their asses but when news of a stolen Motorcycle *what? GNR fans are gonna go out as Private Eyes and find who did it?" outnumber GNR stories and the front page is loaded with this and that which is irrelevant to Guns N Roses.


Its not a big deal, its not like I walk around all day mad over it, its just the internet but the deleting of this and that gets a little old after a while.




Gypsy:

Im not gonna rip u or Adz but If u check the statistics, I have started more threads in the GNR section then both of u combined.  I post all over the place, certainly not just the wrestling thread.

Also, Taints,Myself,Timothy,Fuckin Crazy,Kujo,Blue Cut and others Im not gonna list a huge list of names but we bring some lightheartedness and humor to this forum which I think, correct me if Im wrong, adds something a little special to the place.

Anyway...how does my wig look? Is it on straight?

pinkish. pinkish  purple.

It looks fabulous . But you do need to pull it to the right just a touch.

What's satirical and funny to you might not be for others.

Personally I couldn't care less about those jokes.





I will explain the concept for you:

GN'R used their Myspace page to help out a person who's part of the crew that makes GN'R's shows possible.

I decided to put the thing up because I figured that if there's any small way I could help out, I'd do it.

I knew I'd be made fun of, it's "normal" and I expect it from certain people. I don't give a fuck since I'm not doing anything for them.





Maybe it's because you're involved in that site?




/jarmo

I can 100 percent swear and guarantee that I am in no way affilliated with that site.  I just dig some of the humor on it.



That site is bad ass though and everyone should check it out for a laugh.

what really attracts me to that site is the fact that GnRevolution Dot Net uses the RockinChrome theme designed by Cory Miller


Fuckin Cory Miller!!!!!!!!!!!, if that doesnt make that website a winner, I dont know what does. :hihi:

My point being ... that with the hundreds and hundreds of NON-GNR related topics we ALL do discuss on HTGTH, for you (or any of us) to talk shit about how "THIS SITE" is  run is really fucked up!!!

HTGTH has been thriving for over 11 years.  Thousands of "special" members have come and gone.  Some members' leaving made this place even better IMO.  I'm sure this site and forum will survive after youze are long gone too.


Now, even without slcpunk's blessing, I'm going to post my Happy Birthday wishes to those celebrating. :birthday:

Thousands? Are u serious?

hell there aren't a thousand who post regularly now.


I do not kiss people's ass on here, never have, never will.


A lot of people do that hoping Jarmo will hook them up with backstage access whenever GNR come to their city.  I don't care to be critical when I feel its necessary.  I hope Jarmo and whoever still like me regardless of times when I am critical.

Its not like I am always an asshole or always critical or always putting something down.  But when things get deleted, censored etc, I feel a need to speak up and have done so consistently.

It did kind of tick me off when VR news stopped being posted on the main page, when VR section got dwindled down to a subforum.
As I said in another thread. GNR is what I thought this website was dedicated to. 

Then u see the frontpage filled with side projects that have nothing to do with what we ultimately want.

Id rather see no news unless it has something to do with the band Guns N Roses. thats just my opinion on the subject.


Gypsy, I think this forum would very very much miss the 15-20 truly core members that have been around posting and doing things for years if something happened.

I belong to a sports forum and every great poster left and now that place is unreadable and really shitty.  posters make a forum great.  We all collectively make this forum great and that should be remembered.

The whole concept of censorship is somewhat misleading.

Is your local newspaper censored? They don't post every possible news item do they?

Same thing with the news on TV. They have maybe 1-30 minutes to run through their material.


We chose to not post certain things just like the above examples.

It's not about quantity, it's about quality.  ;)



It all comes down to the fact that others have a totally different opinion on what it means to be a fan who supports their favorite band.

Some have the idea that it means they have the right to attack the band day after day based on bullshit facts or wrong assumptions.


I'm not interested in allowing these people to come here and use this site as a platform to spread their "truths".

It's like having somebody come over to your house every morning and telling you how much you suck. You eventually get to a point and say "enough, I know what you think, move on!".







/jarmo

I absolutely agree about people who attack the band day in and day out.

I also think you don't have to agree with and love every single thing a band does to be considered a fan.  If I disagree with something, I will say so and it doesn't make me any less of a fan than u or anyone else.  I hate when people constantly bitch about this or that but I definitely don't do that at all.

I don't agree with deleting a link to a harmless website that no one in their right mind would take serious.




Gypsy:

Im here for Guns N Roses.  the Jungle,Fun And Games etc are awesome sections but I'd much rather be posting in the GNR section about GNR stuff.

Thing is, after 5 years, Every GNR thread has pretty much been done 10 times and I don't feel like giving the same opinion for the 50th time so I don't post much in that section for now.

So D, in your opinion it's NOT OKAY for people to post shit about GNR on HTGTH day after day but it IS OKAY for them to post shit about HTGTH day after day??

Nobody takes the shit attacks against GNR seriously either but that doesn't make them okay.

Your post is starting to make me question whether or not English is my first language...........................


Who posts shit about HTGTH everyday?

I think I've complained about this site twice in 5 years.

Sorry.  A lot of people say they can't understand my accent.

I was NOT referring to YOU as the ones always talking shit about this site.

wait a minute...   so you are saying that you don't like the news thats being posted even tho its relevant to the band and people who are in the band, but you wish jarmo would post news about a band that isn't GnR?     make up your mind!   GnR IS what this website is dedicated to..

Translation for JimBob

When the VR section was done away with it was because this is a "GNR BOARD"

well, we are getting news about everything BUT GNR is my point.


Its a shame when other news stories on this site outnumber the band the site is intended for 20-1.


is this a GNR site or a Pisser site

Is Frank in GN'R? Yes
Is posting news about a GN'R member GN'R related? Yes
Do you sound like a bitter VR fan? Yes




/jarmo

Who here in this thread does that? Anybody?

So we get a shitload of news about the 2nd drummer in GNR? I thought Brain was still in the band?

Im not bitter, Just when a replacement,replacement,replacement,replacmement drummer gets more news coverage than legendary former members, I sometimes can't quite understand that.

Anybody here ever see the movie Groundhog Day?

This thread just made me think of it for some reason.

I disagree, I and many others like to read about Buckethead here but it's rarely posted. That you speak up is a good thing tho :peace:
Oh no, they will never get out of here. Not alive.
I don't agree with it either, how silly was that? :P
But shouldn't sites be free to express their opinion freely? To be selective of what content they wan't? It's their house, their guests.

I couldn't care less whatever conflict Adz and Jarmo has with other sites/siteowners,
This place is a very good source for news, it has a  great comunity and it's moderated very well. Enough for me :peace:

To quote someone else:

I understand the frustration, but the key word in what you wrote, I think, is *former.*  No matter how many replacement drummers the band may or may not have at any given time, they are *current* drummers.    The focus of the main boards here will always on the GnR of here and now, yes?

I have never spoke badly of this site, I have not been wished a Happy Birthday but I have attemted to apply humor in whatever message I'm in "Usually."  I believe I've followed the advice of Skeba who likes the comedic banter I may be mistaken only he would remember.  Yes I'll admit I will not be performing anywhere soon.  Maybe we should have a happy place with a moderator who judges the content of the humor posts?

Yes again that was an attempt to be humorous.  Sound the car crash.  Lighten up people.  Taint your hair looks perfect like you were going to trader vicks.  Oh the hell with it I'm going outside, not virtually but out outside.  Really I am and no lap top!  I'll put my mouse in my pocket though, just in case I get scared.
                                                                                                                           :drool:
This thread is all over the place, give it some riddlin.  Have a nice day everyone.

is brain still in gnr?

LOL, now it's really all over the map.

Speaking of maps, I just bought this huge wall map of the earth. I'm going to put pins in all the locations I've ever gone to. First I need to visit the places in the upper two corners so that the map will stay on the wall.

I dont know which phrase is gayer and more retarded


The "Bon Jovi can Suck My Dick"

or "Get on Board or Fuck Off"


I mean seriously,who the fuck does this guy think he is to say some shit like that to fans.

Axl can do shit like that cause he has this persona and charisma and mystique about him and it works.

When other people try to get hard on the fans, they come off lookin ridiculous and just stupid.

I am an Axl Rose fan

U could put a bunch of Gregorian Monks in GNR and Id still be a GNR fan

Tommy needs to realize how replaceable he is and stop tryin to alienate fans with that kind of bullshit.


If Slash,Duff,Steven,Matt,Izzy,Buckethead,Brain can be replaced, I think that makes pretty much everyone in GNR besides Axl disposable.  he should be more gracious to the fans and not say shit like that.

I think if you read between the lines, especially the comment Axl made the first night at the Hammerstein, Tommy has alot to do with how far this band goes. He isnt flashy or vocal in public, but there is no doubt in my mind, that he has held this band together all this time. 

After Westerberg, Axl is a walk in the park :hihi:

He's Tommy fucking Stinson.

You obviously have no respect for the people in the band after your attacks on Frank and now Tommy.

How lame.


I believe his quote was aimed at anyone who thinks they know what's going on but really have no fucking idea.....




/jarmo

My problem with that whole comment is, They have no right to challenge anybody that way.


U are replacing legends

U have to prove that u can do more than play the old songs everynight.

U have to show that u belong in GNR and that u are capable of living up to the legacy.


Until CD comes out, they have no right to say anything to on the fence fans who have a right to be skeptical cause these guys haven't proven themselves yet.  U have to show that u are capable of keeping the GNR name alive and are worthy of being in GNR


Until CD comes out, the jury is out and they need to realize and accept that.

u want to shut people up?

U want to get people on board?

The album HAS to come out first.

I guess thats what makes me different than some people on here.

U have to earn my respect.

I don't bow down and think u are the greatest thing in music history just because u are in a band with Axl Rose.

Just my opinion but for me, u have to contribute to a bands success to be considered a member.  I am maybe wrong on that, but to me right now, Frank is a touring drummer considering Brain was recognized as the official drummer. So is Frank even on Chinese Democracy?

Tommy was kicking ass in The Replacements before anyone even thought up the name Guns N Roses.  You dont have to like him, but to claim he has done nothing is absolutely ridiculous.

I bet he'd have no trouble holding the corners of a world map up, that's for damn sure.

Aren't you in a band?

I have no respect for you since your band has no success and you haven't released anything.

 : ok:  ::)


The stupidity is astounding.

The track "Motivation" alone should make you kiss his feet.  :-*




/jarmo

In the right circles, Tommy Stinson is considered far more of a 'legend' than Duff McKagan.

Not that I don't think Duff's bass playing is great, too.

Motivation- Live on Craig Kilborne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Gui_ZHNkQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Gui_ZHNkQ)

Since we are sharing our opinions, the first two nights on the floor at the Hammerstein I spent more time going "Wow, thats Tommy Fucking Stinson" than I did going "Wow, theres Axl"

D, you want us to respect what Bon Jovi has accomplished in his career, wheteher we like him or not, yet you totally dismiss the 17 years that Tommy spent making music as if they didnt exisit. Sorry my friend but that is hypocrisy.

yeah, and in some right circle , The new kids on the block are more legendary then the Beatles.

I'm talking about success in Guns N Roses.

Sure he had great success in another band but the band as a whole have to prove they can live up to the GNR legacy and I don't think fans on the fence are asking too much.


Did I say Tommy wasn't accomplished? I dont remember ever saying that.

But the fact they can't understand why some GNR fans are skeptical or on the fence to me is ludicrous. they surely are aware of the shoes they are filling.

U can't really compare Tommy To Duff because aren't they two very different bands?

Duff has came up with some pretty damn memorable bass lines and songs if Im not mistaken and I said it once before. Duff isn't playing Tommy's bass lines right?  I think it is Tommy who is playing Duff's bass lines.

I just don't like that statement. I think it is dumb to tell fans to fuck off if they don't bow down and kiss the ass of the new members who have yet to prove what they can do in this band.

A few leaks and playing the old songs doesn't do it for me. I want to hear an album of what they can do.

Now, in my mind, I believe they will shut everyone up once the album comes out but the album still has to come out before u can make those kind of statements cause he, to me, has no right to make that statement.

Axl can say that because he is Guns N Roses and a major reason for the popularity and success of GNR

Tommy to the casual fan is pretty much unknown and people have no clue he is in GNR.


I asked my boss at work who his alltime fav band was, he said "The Replacements"

I said really? their bass player is now in GNR

He had no idea


See my point?


Not everyone knows this band and the new members are not famous for being in GNR and they aren't the reason most of us are GNR fans so they should be more respectful to the GNR fan who are giving them a chance.


If they feel the fans have no right to be a little upset and skeptical after what all has happened the last 10 years,t hey are living in a fantasy world.

Nothing like using a quote to fit your agenda against a band member.

"As a matter of fact, Eagles of Death Metal were a suggestion of mine a while ago. Turns out they were the wrong band for our crowd. They were booed and did not play for as long as they were scheduled to.

As for all of the inaccuracies that have been said since, I would like to say that's all they are - inaccuracies. In the past I have thrown my bass. I have never thrown it at Axl or anyone else in the band nor has anyone thrown my bass back at me? yet. Axl has been a dear friend to me for nine years. We have no problem communicating and wish that people would stay the fuck out of shit they don't know anything about. There was no GN'R mutiny or any such thing after the Cleveland gig and as far as I'm concerned this tour has been the most fun yet. The band is playing great and getting along better than we ever have. With that said, either get on board or fuck off."





/jarmo

Guarantee u are in the very very very minor category with that.

That is a really horrible Bon Jovi analogy as last I checked Jon is in the same band,

Now if Jon ever left Bon Jovi and joined Queen, or The Doors, or reformed Led Zeppelin with Jimmy Page Then yes, his accomplishments in Bon Jovi would not matter one fucking bit as he would have to prove he could fill the shoes of legends in those mentioned above bands.

I honestly believe and it truly fuckin baffles me, that u guys sometimes have lost sight of just how fucking legendary and huge Guns N Roses once were.

To put the Replacements in the same sentence as Guns N Roses? Are u kidding me?

Dont blame me Jarmo

it was your SuperHero mod Adz who used the quote the wrong way, I took what he said and ran with it.

Oh my fucking God....

You're obviously too focused on the Bon Jovi way of measuring success.

You can influence a whole generation of musicians WITHOUT having top #1 singles.




/jarmo

Of course I blame you. You're the one who took the quote and twisted it around to fit your agenda.


Should I blame the songwriter for writing a song that people interpret the wrong way?



/jarmo

So u would put The Replacements in the same sentence as GNR?

Did those people get to hear the whole song first? Or did they just get to hear a little piece of it?

How about those statements. You didnt acknowledge that he has a past at all. Those statements add up to, Tommy, or anyone else not named Axl or Dizzy, have no right to express themselves because they havent contributed to GnR.

I said Axl is the only one who has the right to say anything to the fans such as Get on board or fuck off.

The rest of the guys have no right to say that since they arent the reason most of the fans are fans of the band.

I already have.

Not to make this a personal attack, but how familiar are you with The Replacements catalog?

I remember up until about 2-3 years ago you wanted nothing to do with NIN and would react the same way as this when someone would bring them up. Then once you listened to them you were tripping all over yourself letting everyone know how great they were.

So if you have heard The Replacements and just don't like them, then thats cool I can appreciate that. If you haven't hears them and are just talking out your ass again, maybe you should go download "Dont You KNow Who I Thought I Was" and listen to how many bands that are popular from the 90's to present day patterned their sound directly from The Replacements.

Right off the top of my head I'll list The Goo Goo Dolls, Wilco, Son Volt

He's in the fucking band and if somebody throws shit at the band at a show or talks shit about the band, he has the right to express his opinion on the matter.

This isn't fucking Bon Jovi where the bass player is a mute.  :rofl:




/jarmo

Greenday ;)

So you are speaking for the masses now?

There is a medium ground between us "hardcore" fans and those people who couldnt fucking care less what is happening with GnR. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are aware of whats happening, this internet thing has become quite popular you know, it just isnt the most important thing in their lives.

Yep, good call.

Soul Asylum as well.

The.. people in the band aren't the reason people are fan of the band?

..Right.

You can't be serious, no theres no way you are being serious. The guy has been in the fucking band for like 10 years, he can say whatever the fuck he wants to. He has earned that right by helping build the band back up along side Axl. Whether you agree with what he says or not, you absolutely HAVE to respect him because of that.

Yeah with a vast amount of people still thinking that some other guys are still in the band.

call me crazy but i think that to most "casual fans" it doesn't matter who's playing the music or who wrote it.. they wanna hear the music, if they don't see duff playing the basslines they don't care, they don't know who duff is (sadly) some probably see them so that they can say "I've seen GNR" when they say that some people will say "that's not GNR" but it is, the ticket says Guns N' Roses doesn't it?

no fan has the right to say that axl can't call his band GNR when they are GNR, it's not the fans band

if a "casual fan" go to a show and like it they'll wanna hear CD and the old ones too.. when they realize that it's not the same members anymore they won't care, the band they saw put on the best show they've been to all their lives

Buckcherry is one of my favourite bands but i don't know a whole lot about their history, i know that they broke up and i know the lead guitarist and singers name and that they "tried out" for VR, tbh i'm not exactly sure of who are still in the band from the old days, it doesn't matter really the band out there today writes great music and play great shows.. I don't disrespect the former members by thinking that way, they wrote kick ass music

the kind of casual fans who says "it's not the same without slash" or "GNR aint GNR without Slash" and other stuff like that don't even know who wrote their favourite songs.. it could have been izzy who wrote the song but all those guys are saying "this isn't gnr, where's slash?" they just think slash looks cool with the tophat and curly hair, and because of his image they think that he the best guitarist ever.. he's a great live performer and guitarist but where's all that legendary stuff he has put out since he left GNR, oh right he haven't wrote anything of that caliber, when i went to a VR show the songs that got the most cheers were it's so easy and mr brownstone (i'm not really sure why I told that anecdote  :hihi:)

The Replacements are a great band, I checked them out because of tommy and haven't looked back since.. Tommy has "earned" my respect by writing music with that band (replacements) and staying/writing and playing with axl for 10-11 years. I don't understand why he can't defend GNR from cockheads (AKA "fans") thinking they know shit and spreadin' lies

with the philosophy that people must earn respect you must have a pretty negative sight on life don't you.. why not meet and greet everyone with a smile instead of a judging eye?.. I hope some people get the point with this story, there are 2 kinds of teachers in the world.. the ones that tells the new class at the begining of each semester that they have an A and it's up to themselves to keep those A's, and there's the ones that tell their pupils that they all have F's and will have to work hard to get anywhere.. I'm sure most people liked the positive ones best, but maybe some on this board liked starting school and everything else in life in an "upslope" so to speak?

So what your saying is for everyone in the band wait until CD is released and then say

Get On Board Or Fuck Off

.... ? Makes no sense to me.

Maybe they enjoy the song for the Guitar parts?

Where's all the legendary stuff Axl has put out since THEY left GNR?

Opinions are a 2 way street , If anyone ( aka Tommy ) wants to say that , then deal with the fact that some fans have a voice to say stuff too.

Basically Tommy has the right to say whatever the hell he pleases as he worked in the band for the amount of time he has , but fans are going to say stuff too.

That depends on what they represent, but I guess the name of the band gives the musicians those shoes to fill. :P
There's just on member that stood out on his own (imo) which I gotten into regardles if he plays with Axl or not and that is Buckethead

What has Chris to prove now, or is it just a baseplayer thing? :hihi:
Of course it's not the same, sometimes it seems it's like "he don't have curly long hair!!! " type of discussions here :P

Edit:
I think we need to open our own little HTGTH-asylum soon :hihi:

Been in a band 10 years and has done what exactly?


Sure Kujo I use to rip NIN and even though Im a fan now, They are nowhere near GNR's class. Never will be.




How many people became fans of this band because of the new members?  If u took a poll of GNR fans, Im sure most became fans during the Appetite or Illusion eras Or became fans once they heard Live Era for the younger generation or even Greatest Hits.


I bet a tiny percentage can honestly and I stress the word HONESTLY say that they became a fan due to any of the new members. Cause I guarantee most of us already were long before. 

U guys irritate me.  Everyone said B uckethead was the greatest fuckin thing to ever pick up a guitar till he was no longer in GNR and now another guy joins and all of a sudden he is the greatest whatever.

Im sorry I have high standards, but for me, u have to do more than play other guys material to impress me and earn my respect.

Once CD comes out, Im sure they will, but until then, I don't just bestow greatness on them for something they did decades ago or based on how they play old songs.

Helped re build it? Look man I honestly prefer AFD line up to this one 10x over but get over it. The guys in this band have worked their asses off to get classic songs down , and their own to them , make new material and be in GUNS N FUCKING ROSES. Why are you on this board if you basically hate the new band?

I don't hate the new band.

I am one of the biggest Axl Rose  fans on the planet.


HOWEVER:

I don't just accept stuff because I am told or suppose to feel a certain way. I am a huge GNR fan regardless of what anyone thinks.  It is just that I want someone to earn my respect and I don't just give someone my respect cause they are in a band with  my hero.

Once CD comes out and they show what they are capable of coming up with, I will then make judgements and give them all the credit in the world if they deserve it.  What next? Bumble quits and everyone on here starts shitting on him and Axl gets some other guy and all of u automatically make him out like he is Jesus before u ever hear an original note?


Playing Cover songs dont impress me. Hell I've heard tribute bands play the old material better.  Its what u contribute to GNR's legacy and until u contribute to that legacy, Im not gonna automatically grant u legendary status simply cause u are in a band with a legend.  That has to be earned and Tommy may have earned status with "The Replacements" But the other guys havent. So they have to prove it to me with original stuff on a released album.


What have the other guys done to deserve such accolades?

Richard Session musician for N'Sync
Robin Touring guitarist for NIN *Still kind of a cover cause he is playing parts someone else wrote
Pittman *no idea what he does, I know he is responsible for the video game sounding fart noises that hurt Better
Whoever the drummer is: Dont have a clue. wouldn't know him if he walked in my house with a name tag on.
Bumblefoot "I wish the guy was the sole lead guitar player as he really stays true to the material and I actually think he has potential to be great in this band. Still haven't heard anything original but he is one member I like just from his attitude and the way he plays.




Till CD Comes out, I refuse to bow down and act like they are the greatest people to ever pick up an instrument.

Says the Bon Jovi fan.

Dude, you haven't even seen the new band.


Yeah, you like the new band a lot.

Ive seen them on YouTube but thats not the point. I dont want to see a concert of old GNR songs played by new guys. Once CD comes out, Ill be the first one to buy a ticket.



Says the Bon Jovi fan?

How bout u check the numbers dude.  Every seat, every show sold out on the Lost Highway tour.  Jon doesn't have to prove anything to anybody. They definitely have high standards which is why they are still amazing and doing great 23 years later. 

you make some of the dumbest posts on this board.

each one of these guys has done a lot and fit in Guns N' Roses perfectly.   Don't knock them until you've seen it..

He's seen them on Youtube!




/jarmo

I was gonna see them in Nashville but I guess since no one wanted to see them they had to cancel it.

My fault for not having the opportunity.


JimBob u make some of the most ass kissing posts I've ever seen on this site.  Jarmo isn't gonna send u an autograph pic of Axl no matter how much u brown nose dude. Get over it!


U are right, they have done a lot to fit in.

Robin went from Goth to hippie.  Maybe next year he will be emo and the year after that he will be gangsta rap?

When you make the wrong assumptions, you're only making an ass out of yourself.....



Let's hope he doesn't go country and have Gretchen Wilson as the opening act.




/jarmo

Yeah , maybe they will have some nu-metal band and want bo be stripers open ...oh, wait.

Well, that's something you wouldn't see on a Bon Jovi tour.

That and kick ass rock n' roll....

 : ok:



/jarmo

Point being, U guys are tryin to rip me for never seeing them live and Im simply stating I would have had it not been cancelled. I know I went to get tickets and u could still get like 8th row from the stage.......... So call it what u want.



Sure BJ went a little country but they've always had a country kind of style to them as far back as Wanted Dead Or Alive, Stick To Your Guns, Ride Cowboy Ride and Jon's Blaze of Glory solo album.  They are also one of the best acoustic bands to ever grace a stage also, so it made some sense.

Ain't nothing wrong with Jovi man.... But D you look like a tool by ripping on someone for changing genres when BJ COMPLETELY took a left turn.

What left turn . They have almost always a had a little country vibe.

No, you're getting a new one based on the shit you post about people who are currently in the band we (well most of us anyway) are fans of.

Since this board and site is aimed at fans of the current band, your opinions don't really seem like they have a place here.

If you have that kind of hostility against the current GN'R, maybe there's some other site where they'd treat you like a hero for posting all that shit.





/jarmo

Missing the point , Don't dock on someone for moving genres when your favorite band has , its hypocritical. Anyways D , why do you post here if you don't like this band? They do have Bon Jovi boards..... :hihi:

earlier in the thread you stated you wouldn't go see the band because they haven't released the album yet.   

I guess the idea of Axl tearing through his classics with a group of superb musicans doesn't appeal to you.     

and get one thing straight, I don't kiss anybody's ass.  I'm a GnR fan, I'm here because I support the band... which is more than we can say about you.

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Frankly, I can only assume this is just a blatant lie.

So you arent willing to praise the band based on only seeing them on youtube, but you are willing to state that cover bands are better based on those same videos? Again that is being hypocritical.

 :rofl: so true ! i've felt like biting my fingers all along. i could quote stuff here and there and post replies.. But  it could only contribute to add mess up here.
Just a few things :
1- It is possible to become a Gn'R fan because of the new band.  :yes: I loved the band when Illusions were released but I wasn't a 'real fan' - didn't spend ages looking for updates, didn't attend a single show... i became a 'real' fan only 2 years ago, when I decided to listen to the old stuff and attended a couple of shows and did some other stuff 'real' fans are supposed to do  ;D. I knew I wouldn't  see Slash but I didn't care. Ron and the others truly rocked my night, both times. Doubters could see that this line up is a solid one, a rock.
2- I don't see why Tommy isn't entitled to say 'get on board or fuck off'. He's in the band and  he does a great job - I guess it would be more obvious if some people had seen the band between 2001 and 2007  ::)  Tommy has a right to say whatever he wants, no matter if  people who don't want to face reality get hurt. He's been in the band for years now. Album or not, he can say whatever the fuck he wants to say.
3. Some youtube videos are great but most aren't. You can't judge a band from that. Watching some chaotic footage by a fan who was lost in a crowd can't replace the fever and, yes,the  fervor you feel when  you actually attend a performance by a great band... meaning you can't judge Gn'R but you can't judge cover bands either (assuming they can be  great ... D,  that's what I understood from one of your previous posts)...

Oh, and I don't have much respect for Gn'R cover bands and any band/singer who spend their time trying to sound like a carbon copy of another one and make money out of it. For some reason, I prefer people who try to make their own thing.  : ok:

This really shows you're ignorance. Maybe you should actually find out about the guys before you start spewing shit about them. They ALL have had long careers in varyingly successful bands (and a lot of them are legends to a lot of people who couldn't give a fuck about Guns).

You probably have never even heard the Love Spit Love albums, or the Lusk stuff.

I saw something on the intertubes, somewhat related to this thread, that had me rolling. D, I knew you were a fan of the Artiodactyls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artiodactyls), but I had know idea ... ;D

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And he says this is getting lame.................

The whole old v new v VR argument is lame. It was lame years ago too.

That's not fun knee!! That's lame!  :hihi:

By saying Tribute bands play it better means they play it true to the original.


I take it most people on this forum are lyrical,vocal listeners and not so much musical listeners.

That is kind of what I gather.


See, to me, the guitar solos are as good if not better than the ly rics and vocal melodies.  The solos take the song to higher places and compliment the vocals in a way that just explode into your head.



the old songs have classic,Iconic guitar solos. playing the solos different to me would be no different than Scott getting on stage and singing different lyrics and vocal melodies to GNR songs.


Im just shooting straight here and being honest.


I love the new bands work but I cringe when I hear them play the old stuff.  That is me being honest.  I like all the leaks a lot and think they have amazing potential but I've heard my fav all time solos butchered enough for one lifetime.


Should I get flamed for having that unbiased opinion?  No

So you don't like it when Slash changes the solo live, either?

That's why they are not just a cover band. I'm a guitar player and I'm 100% more pleased to listen to their version of the guitar work rather than just playing note for note. And you may know well, they could anytime.

If even Slash changes his solos, why couldn't the new band?

Also, please enlighten me how an opinion like yours, who claims to be a musician and to think another musicians should just cover the old songs without putting their own style, is unbiased.

I guess you haven't heard a good live performance of the AFD songs since 1989 then..... Matt replaced Steven and Gilby replaced Izzy.

In addition to the line-up changes, Slash changed his solos too. Either for fun or because he made mistakes.

Axl didn't sing the songs exactly like in the studio. For example, he'd add words here and there. Mr. Brownstone, You Could Be Mine etc.



You cringe when GN'R plays GN'R songs?

And you call yourself a fan...

What exactly are you a fan of? Axl?

Sounds more like you wish Axl wouldn't play songs the band likes to play for their fans.


You have some weird opinions or you're just posting shit to get a reaction. First Tommy shouldn't have the right to say anything, then a band is like a marriage where you're not allowed to do anything outside it and now you claim you cringe when GN'R plays GN'R songs.

You haven't seen the band live, so obviously for you Youtube is the place how to experience a live show.


You sound like a troll coming to a GN'R site to get attention.

Unbiased my ass. You obviously have something against the current band.



/jarmo

Ive always hated the new Patience solo and the new KOHD solo he does

So yeah

I hate it when Slash fucks up also


cause I get in such a mood and vibe listening and when the solo kicks in, that elevates me even higher, So yeah, When Slash fucks it up and hits a bad note or does something sloppy, it kind of kills the vibe for me also.


I watched VR in Atlanta a few years back and he totally raped the YGNR solo and I was the first to say how much I hated it.

U cant change classic Iconic legendary solos. u just can't.  It would be like changing the drum beat to Paradise City or the opening riff to WTTJ.

On songs where the solos are just whatever, fine, add a little here and there but u should take the solo and make it better or else you should play it as it is.

no solo except maybe Buckethead's "Nightrain" to me is better.

And you say you're unbiased...

Of course they can change. They can do whatever the fuck they want. And it's not like all the solos are complete different, most have the same pattern and licks and just a change here and there. Any regular fan would recognize them as being part of the songs. Any casual fan wouldn't notice much.

IMO, Robin makes SCOM solo better than Slash. So you're saying just because YOU think it's worse, they shouldn't do in that way? Because of what you think?

If I would replace some musician in a band, Id rather put my own style and feel in the previous work. Maybe you should put yourself in that position. They are NOT a cover band. Yes, they played the old band's songs, but they tried to revamp it to sound genuine. If Axl wanted to just cover the old band, he would call one of the hundreds of Slash covers out there.

Maybe you should just give up. They will never please you, they will never do what you want them to do. Either you give up on the band or give up and give them a chance.

Relax, you're two tents.  :o

Their just measuring whos teepee is better. . . . . . . . . Rock and Roll has never been about being perfect. If you want to hear a song played "perfectly" then stay home and listen to the c.d. 

Too tense under a wigwam is no fun.

tented the tents


Brace yourself.
Chinese democracy will bring many fans that don't give a shit about the past, as well as the old fans that once left.  :beer:

I really resent that Jarmo


A troll doesnt stick around and post on a site for over 5 and a half years.


I am an Axl Rose fan and once CD comes out, I will then start becoming fans of the new guys once I have something to base them on.

If these guys weren't in GNR, I wouldnt know them and wouldn't give a shit about them, That is true. If they ever leave GNR or quit, Im sure most of u will feel the same way.


I like how I am being blasted for MY FUCKING OPINION. I said TO ME the solos suck, TO MEEEEEEEEEEEE, I'm not claiming that cause I think so that makes it universal U GUYS ON HERE ARE MAKING YOUR OPINIONS FACT and can't accept the fact someone else thinks differently.

Caps lock and 12 "E"s. Someone needs a hug. Punk?

Same thing applies to all the former members.

I'm a fan of the "new" guys because they're GN'R and as a GN'R fan it makes sense to be a fan of the band's members.

I listen to Tommy's music more than I listen to VR.

Also, the fact that they kick ass on stage is a nice bonus.





/jarmo

Cheers to that!   :beer:

I doubt it'll ever stop.

It won't....it's the heart & soul of this place, anymore!   :o 

Sometimes it gets to me, but I always come back, because it makes for some good entertainment, at times.  I try really hard not to get caught up in it....not always easy. 

So....what the hell?   What was this topic about again? 

I rarely read it, and if I do, it's no more than a few posts.




A spoof site about guys who take themselves and this band way too seriously. Ironically it was hijacked by some guys who take themselves and this band too seriously.

Ok, now I remember!   :rofl: :rofl:

It is all taken way too seriously, isn't it?  I love GnR.   I found this place because it was the one that was "not about the new" and "not about the old", but a combination of everything.  That's what it's about, I think.  I love Slash - have, for years - and I will defend the man.  However, I'm not going to get my shorts in a twist over all of it.   Because when you do, it starts going overboard.  It does.  It goes beyond sanity, when you do that.  Goes beyond reasoning.   And so here we all are...and for what?  Someone's post gets deleted.  Someone gets banned.  All because you can't "see the light", according to some people.   

       

No, nobody should take D seriously...

 ;D


/jarmo

I find it hard to take any of this seriously. 

This is one of the greatest threads ever  :rofl:

Maybe Jarmo should get me front row tickets and backstage passes to prove me wrong? :yes: :yes: :yes:



Im done bitchin guys.  Sorry, I think I was on my period or something or some sort of chemical inbalance.  U guys know I post without thinking half the time.

I am the guy who made a thread years ago saying "why this band is Guns N Roses'

I've always championed the new band.  sometimes though, maybe I get a little too nostalgic for the possibility of a reunion b ut its just u guys have no idea what this band has meant to me over the years and being too young to ever see them live makes me wish I had one opportunity.

I was too harsh and unfair to the new members and a complete asshole, So sorry everybody, I found out the tape measure I had been measuring mypenis with all these years actually starts at 3 instead of 1.........  Imagine if u found out u were 2 inches smaller than u actually are....... :hihi:


Anyhow, This thread was great, I actually reached "Troll" Status which kind of jolted me out of my ignorance and made me realize I needed to shut up cause I sure as hell don't want to be a troll.


I guess I need to learn to seperate the two and realize that the new members are individuals and not trying to be the old members. 

your penis is just fine D ;D
k, I can't post any more because I am blind fucking drunk and surprised I can even type at all...such a hullabullo ::)

SLC told me those pics were for his entertainment only!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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oooooooooooooooooooo :o nasty memories....I promised I'd never tell D...no worries ;)

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It's weird when Jarmo is really mean to me. Seriously u know u guys love me.


I'm gonna see Jarmo at a concert *unless his private security makes it impossible to make contact :hihi:* and give him a big hug and a sloppy kiss on the cheek! : ok:


Anyhow, I am on board, so u all can fuck off now! :hihi: :hihi:

Glad to hear it, Sybil.

Sybil!!!  Good one, K!
I'll tell ya, GOTTA love D!
Truly a great guy.   :beer:

Splash

/Mike

D should be BANNED from posting in Bad Obsession and all the Wake up, it's time to play! threads because of his admitted lack of knowledge of music outside of 1987 GNR and everything Bon Jovi.

adler?

That coming from someone who thought RAP music was slang for Christmas music. :hihi:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Ardell_Mason

Again, you prove your musical ignorance.  This is indeed one of my fav Christmas songs but, unlike you, I know that Christmas music is NOT LIMITED to any single genre.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juBEue3L4LE

Classic, it was included in one Die Hard movie...  : ok:

Yeah but I thought there was another poster(posters?) who was more like it.

Somehow this old comments
"I love Axl, I wanna kiss his face, and slap it, well first I wanna kiss it, then I wanna kick his ass."
occurred to me.

^haha! I wonder who that could be. :hihi:

ya'll be some crazy mother fuckers.

That's the best way, to be, in life, Timothy!   ;D

I guess we should not ;D

This thread touches into some serious things a lot of readers of this site may have noticed in the last years tho.
There seems to be a conflict of intrest between this site's influence on GunsN'Roses comercial intrest and being a broad enclyopedia/library/wikipedia of GunsN'Roses history. Or am I completely offroad now :hihi:

If that is a fact it IS a very sad situation of change for those who's here for the latter.

You really hit the nail on the head with this post D. These guys don't give a shit about Gn'Rs music. They do it for one reason only, the big paycheck. ::)

Working for Axl has to be the greatest job in the world.


Big check, little work.

And you wonder why some of us think you're an ass clown.....  ::)


Report this post all you fucking want. When you show that little respect for the guys in GN'R, you're not gonna get any respect from me.




/jarmo

and why are you here if you feel that way?

I don't fuckin understand why some people are still on this board...

I'm drunk, but that deosn't change anything.

Some people suck so fuckin much.

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Did somebody report a post of yours.......to you?

 :hihi:

HAHAHAHAHAAHA

I cant believe Jarmo called Gunner80 an Ass Clown! :hihi: :hihi:

I thought he was talking to you.

Yeah I think he was talking to D, I always thought he was an ass clown, now I know my opinion is at least shared by others....

Funny....



/jarmo

Why is everyone being so serious?

Jeez, I was only goofing around.

When did everyone become so uptight?

because we are GNR fans? we take offence at gross slander against the band.


I thought gunner80 was sarcastic.  :-\

I seriously want someone to point out what is wrong with my post.


Big Check Little Work.


U get a paycheck for the last 8 years, and its fun when u do work cause u are recording and touring, when u aren't touring and recording, u are doing stuff on the side but still receiving money from GNR.

Who the fuck wouldn't want a job like that?  Where when u are working u are touring with Axl, but when u arent u are free and still getting paid to do your own thing?

I think some of u need to ask yourselves why u took that as some negative slight against the band?

Well, assclown, since everyother comment you have made has been negative about the "new" band, it was a safe guess.

That isn't true at all.

Ive made plenty of posts/threads supporting the new band.


Everyone automatically assumes that any kind of criticism is bashing someone.


U can't be a fan of a band or even a sports team without criticizing here and there?


Thats like if your fav sports team makes a bad trade or is on a losing streak, u are no longer a fan if u criticize the coach or a player?

that is completely untrue.

I support this band big time, but if I don't agree with something, I don't care to speak out about it.

doesn't make me any less of a fan.

Touchy touchy.

"These guys havent done anything to deserve my respect."  You never said those words?

Touch? Touch?.

And?

Not to beat the dead horse but what have they done in GNR so far?


Once they release the album and start doing interviews etc etc, They will earn my respect but I don't just accept everyone who plays with Axl as the greatest musician to ever grace the universe just because.


If that makes me less of a fan,so be it.

It is not a slight on the guys in the band at all. It wouldn't matter who comes and goes, I have to see what they can contribute to the legacy of GNR. a few leaked demos and tours of AFD doesn't do it yet.


They have loads of talent and Im sure the album will be amazing, I, however, want to hear the album first.

What's wrong with that?


Same way with one of my sports teams.

Just cause they draft or sign so and so, I don't get excited or whatever till they prove they live up to the hype.


Look at Reggie Bush in the NFL. People had him as the greatest thing to ever grace a football field before he took one snap.

After 2 years, he hasn't lived up to the hype and is a bust.


We live in a show me society and once Im shown, Ill be a bigger fanboy than anyone here.

D has said a lot of stupid shit but don't hold him responsible for any of it.

He loves to attack GN'R for stupid shit while claiming he's a big fan.

He doesn't respect GN'R members who have stuck with Axl for years and toured the world. No, there's no reason for him to respect anybody for that.



The idea of loyalty and sticking to what you believe in doesn't get any respect from D.



Comparing GN'R members to a football player? Well in this case, the guys have accomplished stuff. Both in GN'R and outside of GN'R.

They're not rookies.....





/jarmo

How is that not respecting members?

What cause I want their creation to see the light of day?

I have stuck up for these members alot and said how unfair it is that they have to be constantly criticized and disrespected cause their contributions havent been heard.



I love the leaks but I want to hear them in album form.


Face it

These guys have a mountain to climb being in Guns N Roses.

Sometimes it seems some of u on here have forgotten exactly how big of a phenomenon Guns N Roses are/were. They have the biggest average of albums sold in the US probably by far if u take the 3 biggest of any bands career.


These new guys arent joining and walking in to some run of the mill good band. They are in a LEGENDARY, top 10 all time greatest band to ever grace a stage. Hell maybe top 5.


U have to prove u belong by contributing to the legacy already established.

What is wrong with saying that?

Is it not true?

You think you're the only fan who'd love to hear their new music?



Wait.

You say you defend them from people who disrespect the band members because the album isn't out yet?

But you yourself said they don't deserve any respect because they haven't put out music.

Are you saying you defend GN'R from yourself?  ???






No.




/jarmo

Isnt it enough that Axl chose these guys over anyone else? . . . . . . and Reggie Bush is a bust after 1 weak season on a bad team? Okaaayyy.

Considering he was suppose to be hybrid of Gayle Sayers and Barry Sanders and a faster Ladanian Tomlinson but is more like a poor man's Brian Westbrook, Id say yes he is a bust.


I've defended the new members against the media etc who have bashed them in the past. I myself though think its only fair that u contribute to a band's success before u are bestowed this legendary status which is hollow cause playing with Axl doesn't make u a legend. what u contribute to the band does.

How noble of you for defending them against the media and then attacking the band.





/jarmo

So all of us who saw these guys "contribute" to some of the best live shows ever arent allowed to praise what we witnessed first hand? And again certain members of this band were legends long before joining GnR. Just because you never heard of them, doesnt make it any less true.

How is saying u want to hear their contributions to a band "Attacking" Them?


Who is a legend Kujo outside of Tommy?

Last I checked Replacements are a different style than GNR right?

Holy shit, you didn't even get his former band right....

Tommy wasn't in this band:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Hy7uAb_eU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEZ2eUd7cC0



/jarmo

Shit I meant Replacements

Sorry..................

I never used the word "attack" did I? Legend depends on your definition. Some might consider Ron a legend for all his solo work, or Brain for the work he has done. I know after seeing Robin perform 7 times in 06, he is held in high esteem in my book. By the way, what the hell do the Pretenders have to do with this?

He's a fan of them and he respects them, but he can't even get Tommy's former band right? Holy fuck that's what I call a super fan!!

(http://www.outsourcing-journal.com/common/graphics/articles/1177/1179.jpg)

Oh, come on, he was "speaking" extemporaneously. I think everyone knows that Tommy wasn't in the Pretenders.

Then why did he edit his post once it was pointed out he had the wrong band?  ::)

D. do you have multiple personalities?? 

just a couple pages back..








take your own advice, dude.

Why you think that?
Maybe a lot of was more impressed with Axl and like the current members better? :P

I know I for one take Buckethead, The Prodigy and some new intresting stuff over boring oldschool-gnr anyday :peace:

Because, He was "speaking" extemporaneously!!!  Da!

that is fuckin insane though.

Why are u on this forum if u think the old GNR are boring? Are u fuckin serious? If u don't like the old band and think they are boring, how could u possibly like the new band? That is just outrageous. Im seriously flabbergasted at that.

U realize the old band wrote those all time great songs right? Do u think just anybody can write riffs and solos, drum parts and bass parts like that?

They are a legendary one in a billion band for a reason.


Check out your last line. thats way worse and blasphemous against GNR than anything Ive ever said.

U'd take Prodigy over Old GNR?

That is ridiculous.

No. Confusing the Replacements with the Pretenders is ridiculous. . . . . . Maybe Norway saw the current line up live and decided to get on board instead of the other option.

You sir are a fucking idiot

Thread Hijack #6

I remembering seeing the Prodigy in Tampa years ago, coked out of my mind. I may have also been laid that night-sweet little blond girl.

so, sayin the old lineup was boring and aren't as good as Prodigy isn't ridiculous?

Dude get off Jarmo's nutsack already.

*cough cough*


i completely agree with this post.

Bah.......we need a resident troll.

Trolls are fun. Remember the cute little hair and how people use to collect them.


I thought about the whole "troll" thing.


Just because some people think anyone who has a different opinion than them is a troll,doesnt make it so.


I know I am a fan and nothing anyone can say will change that. I consider myself more as "The Voice of Reason"

thats seriously one of the funniest things you've ever posted.  :rofl:

i don't think a troll is someone who has a different opinion then me. and i actually think most people share my view of a troll

To me a troll is someone who constantly stick around, stirring shit up and thinks that they are "the voice of reason" they most of the time also think that whatever they believe is the truth and people should think like them, trolls are most of the time also in the minority and don't get that their "voice of reason" don't sound reasonable to the majority..

most of these trolls are reasonable enough to leave after a while to find a bettersuiting place..

so with that said here's a favourite of D's:

get on board or bon jovi can suck my dick    ;D

(i made that^ one up myself, you see i took 2 quotes and mixed them, funny huh? yeah really funn eh :yes:)

Yes I am fucking serious. And IMO The Prodigy are more intense live than GnR will ever be and ever was. OMG! Blasfemi!
And I am the one hanging around nutsacs? :P

Yeah, I loved rock. Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, GunsN'Roses but I have long gotten bored of the oldschool rock-music. It's of little intrest, Hang me. :hihi:
I still apreciate a good rock-song, but it's less intresting than new stuff.

I hate current new metal tho just so that is said.

With GunsN'Roses, I musically lost intrest after TSI...singer still rocked tho and the voice alone is intresting enough.
I got into GunsN'Roses again after hearing Oh My God and seing the new elements which Axl choosed to compliment his voice and songwriting.

And what was new apart from the same old rock? Buckethead and Chris and the "new" music. Thats why I am here. Even tho am "old fan".
It's just an opinion and a matter of taste, made ur jaw drop now? You'll get over it :-*

The difference with Norways' statement and yours, D, is that Norway isnt insisting that everyone that doesnt share that opinion, is wrong and hanging on Jarmos nut sack. Assclown.

I am used to it, imagine this song with 2 guitars instead of one, a solo and a baseplayer as a addition.
Yet, Prodigy fans would react same as D does on my suggestion. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFt9DN-56aU

No.  D didn't know.

Speaking "extemporaneously" means to utter something on the spur of the moment WITHOUT CHECKING the FACTS first.  What D does is speak "extemporANUSly" which means he talks out of his ass WITHOUT KNOWING the FACTS.

Gypsy Soul wins.

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Ive got the band name right more than I flubbed it.

A troll is someone who follows u in every thread and tries to argue *see Gypsy following me into NFL threads, NHL threads etc etc*

I see both sides of everything, but I want people to be fair.

If I am an idiot and a troll for criticizing the new band, Norway should be held accountable for posting on a GNR board that the old band are boring and inferior to "Prodigy" are u serious? That to me isn't an opinion that should be respected. that is freakin ricockulous!

Ive said some pretty dumb and crazy shit in my lifetime but i'd never come on a GNR board and say a band like "Prodigy" are better than one of the greatest bands to ever grace the planet.

So, how can Kujo defend norway and talk shit about me for criticizing the new band?  Old band is proven and nothing can ever be taken away from them.

Prodigy? are u serious? that is the craziest shit I've ever heard.

I guess next, people are gonna say Sugar Ray are better than the Chili Peppers.

You just dont get it. If you would just say "I havent seen the current line up, so I dont have an opinion." there wouldnt be a problem. Instead you tell everyone that has seen this band perform, that we are wrong for "worshipping" them. As long as you want to argue opinions as if they are facts, there will be people here to give you shit for it.

Sugar Ray is better than the Chili Peppers.

When the fuck did I ever say anything about live performance?


DUDE, u have to write your own songs and PROVE that u are capable of carrying on the GNR legacy


I COULD GIVE A FUCK HOW WELL SOMEONE PLAYS A GODDAMN COVER SONG




A GNR Tribute band are going to be in Chattanooga Feb 16th

Id rather jack off with razorblade covered gloves than watch that shit.


U dont earn your merit by playing someone elses material.

U earn your  merit by writing great stand the test of time memorable riffs and solos.

Until CD comes out, we don't know that they can.


That is my whole point.


U can't annoint someone just cause they play with Axl. they have to prove they can do it

without an album, they get an incomplete cause no one knows yet if they will write songs that will be heard decades from now and essentially that is what it comes down to.

They have giant shoes to fill and going out on tour and playing classic GNR songs doesn't fill those shoes yet. We have to get an album.

I think they can fill the shoes but I am a wait and see kind of person.

Someone explain this logic:

How can a band that has yet to release a single song be better than a band who has some of the all time greatest most legendary songs in Rock N Roll History?

for feeling that way you've complained a whole lot about how the band plays the solos of the old songs..  :-X

Its all opinion. Why do you even care that a bunch of people like this band better than the old? Are you that insecure in your own beliefs?

No but it just drives me crazy when people totally disrespect the old band.

Its like people forget who wrote those amazing guitar parts/solos the new band is playing.



When someone just totally shits on Slash and the old members it upsets me. So I feel a need to defend the old band which in turn makes it seem like I hate the new band but I don't.

I just hold the original band very close and will defend the fuck out of them.

I'd do the exact same if someone dissed Axl. I was all over Scott's ass when he talked dumbshit about Axl.


It would be like Slash etc hiring a new singer and people saying that guy was better than Axl cause he can sing higher or he has a more "Technical" voice. Then using Youtube videos of the guy singing something perfectly in key of GNR's and saying "See, he sings better than Axl"  Its just dumb to say someone plays something better than a guy who wrote it.

I have met tons of guitar players who can play every GNR,Metallica, Pantera whatever song note for note but can't write an original piece of music to save their lives. It only matters what u create. that is how u are judged.

You sir, are the voice of reason.

Hey, aren't you the one who judges GN'R off of YouTube clips?

the old band = history. 

the current lineup = now.

disrespecting the current lineup is far more idiotic when that is the band we are here to support.

No. She argues with you because you say a lot of things that make no sense to many of us.




Which is exactly what you do.





You do?

I thought you only saw your side and attacked the band.

You know, the band you have no respect for even though you're a fan of.




That's his opinion.

And since this isn't "the good ol' times" board, it's not really a problem...

I know many people disagree with him though.



Are you gonna explain how you are defending the band against media attacks while you're stabbing the band in the back yourself?




/jarmo

Its not stabbing the band in the back. Its educating fans about GNR's history and asking they respect the entire history of GNR and not feeling like they have to shit on the old members to make Axl happy. Hell Axl even gives nothing but respect to the old guys, So why do fans feel compelled to trash them to make the new band look better?


It makes no sense how u can hate the old band who are legendary and wrote some of the most amazing songs ever and Love a band who hasn't released an album.


So what are people basing their love on? the way the new members play the old songs?

To me, that just doesn't make much sense.

For me, it would have to be Tommy's plaid pants.

But that's just me.

You're educating them? Would this be the only class in the world where the teacher wears a helmet and shows up on the shortbus but not the students? . . . . . . Maybe they are basing their opinion on the 10 or so songs we have heard plus the way the band works together live. Just because you choose not to, doesnt make them wrong.

U supported Norway saying Prodigy are better than Old GNR

If that isn't biased, I don't know what is.

So really, Anything u post after that garbage, I cannot take seriously.

you come to a board only to defend something thats been gone for many years and to belittle those who support the band.    I think you are the one who can't be taken seriously, especially considering you called yourself a troll just a few pages back and admitted you were being an assclown.

I supported that Norway was entitled to that opinion. I never said I agreed with it. You would get in alot less of these "discussions" if you actually read what was written.

Never said I was a troll, I said people tried to say i was but disagreeing with people doesnt make u a troll.


Name one thing I have said that isn't true about the new band.


ONE THING

yep prodigy is great but You'll have to swallow the bold words when you see GNR live.  :D I warn you!

*whistlin'*  :-X

Easy, you said Tommy was in the Pretenders    :peace:

Well you said Tommy was in the Pretenders. That wasnt completely accurate.

Now you're twisting the issue.

You come to this site to tell everybody here that you have no respect for the band that this site is about.

You don't see how that's considered trolling?

Do you go to Prince sites telling everybody he sucks?


This has nothing to do with old vs new. This is about you claiming to support the band while making stupid comments about them not deserving your respect etc.




/jarmo

How can a band that has yet to release a single song be better than a band who has some of the all time greatest most legendary songs in Rock N Roll History?


That?s a good question... but a very inconvenient one too.  ;)

In this sense, Slash has still to prove he can have a success on his own without a fancy singer...like Buckethead! :hihi:
Take that! :P

But I like Slash's playing, love it.
I didn't really say they are inferior to the prodigy. I just don't find oldschool rock very intresting anymore.

Old GunsN'Roses is to me and a lot of people as relevant as Elvis, The Animals, Jimi Hendrix etc...and they are more intrested in new music.
That doesn't discredit the bands. Love Hurts, Hound Dog, ScoM etc will still be untouchable.

And thats a fact you need to aknowledge wether you agree or not, that a lot of fans aren't that much fan or intrested in the old band.
IE, the new band got nothing to prove here.

I for one like to see Axl work with something new and diferent that sounds great at the same time. Others want the 90's all over again.
Looking forward to both then :headbanger:

i'm a fan of the old lineups of GnR, I just don't see why some people feel the need to make it some lame competition.   It was about the old back then, now its about the new.. just enjoy it.

Yeah, as long as they got their own thing going and stands out on their own with their own artistic expression there is no competition.
Just a matter of taste.

I knew when I said that, the trolls would jump at my throat cause that rips away the very foundation they got to whine about the new musicians. :hihi:

Yes, when Prince does stupid shit, like suing his fansf or using his likeness etc on websites. Sure we bash his ass cause that is dumb. Doesnt make us less of a fan.

Prince is a bad example cause he plays every instrument himself BUT, if Prince started a brand new band tomorrow and they hadn't released an album and fans started screaming that band was greater than The Revolution and The New Power Generation combined, yeah, Id say the same thing.


When did I ever say the new band sucked? I havent said that. I simply said they should release an album before people go crazy putting them above the original. A statement I think is very fair.


Once again, Besides flubbing the band Tommy was in, no one can put out anything I've stated that is inaccurate.

Face it guys, the new guitar players combined have wrote as many hit singles as Jarmo.

But yet people are ready to say they are greater than the old band?


That is my point.

I like the guys in the new band but they won't be considered by me legends, till CD comes out and they warrant that title.


Its like when Metallica did that MTV Icon thing. Their new bass player had no business being recognized as anything resembling an ICON considering he hadn't contributed anything. It was ridiculous.

maybe some of us simply prefer them based on things like their style, past things they've done, chemistry in the band, work done on the new songs, stage presence, etc, etc.

its all a matter of taste.   and its an opinion a lot of us have and there is no reason to come to a site meant to support these guys just to whine for the old band.

Well, I got it: we can only like the new band once they release the album. Before that, the new songs and the live performances (which include the new songs) never really existed. ::)

That's funny. I don't listen to AFD or UYI anymore because it's been a long time already and I rather listen to the new songs everyday. So, I prefer the new line-up even though I'm a fan since 1989.

Norway is biased because likes Prodigy more than the old band now? I don't think he can get more unbiased than that. :P

They have a lot in common, both bands do their thing and expands their territory and they both have fans with split intrest.
It goes likes this:

Liam has fans that mean he should not try to be punkrock and whatever but go back and "do something old thats been done to death"
Axl has fans that mean he should not try be electronic and whatever but go back and "do something old thats been done to death"

:hihi:
And who the fuck cares? This is how we judge musicians now?

It may be a suprise to you but a lot do not wan't the band to sound like oldgnr. (tho the paradox is oldgnr was all over the place for it's time)
Maybe a lot of new fans and soon to be fans will like bands like NIN, Rammstein, Prodigy and hate classic rock and oldnr?

And I'm just pointing out that fact if you think someone got anything to prove to fans of classic rock. This is now, not the 90's...

Nin...They did their own thing and didn't ride the classic rock wave. Buckethead do his own thing.
AC/DC, VR, Judas Priest, Vince Neil etc will deliver quality rock, but they will likely not take us into new musical territory...unlike other artists...

I can be negative too and say wtf have Duff, Steven, Izzy etc done without a good singer? Then I can paralell them with NiN.
A lot can say "Slash and Duff where long haired stereotypes with that bad boy image riding the 80's wave" just the same way you seem to discredit the new band. 

Not sure if it's a American thing, but it's not possible too see beyond listpop, hitsingles and comersial succes?

I credit musicians for doing their own thing, being creative and if they expand their musical horizons too then that is something really intresting.
Robin did his own thing, in image and sound. I respect that.

I hate Linkin Park musicaly,
but I respect them a lot more than a lot of 80's band that just got succes because of their hair, doing those silly poses and just doing whatever the flavor of the month was. How oldschool ::)

For me it's a good chance I will be disapointed with CD cause "it's the same old rock with perfect vocals and some synths added" but I hope not. :peace:
Maybe not disapointed, but it not living up to the expectations I got after hearing omg etc...

I wan't something new with the old to put it that way :P
Then thats their thing, why can't you accept that?

Liam (from prodigy)...I view him as a better musical composer than Duff. And I find his music more intresting.
Buckethead...A lot like him better than Slash and find his music more intresting.

I know some had more pop- succes (at least succes in the shaddows of others) than others but it's just opinions and taste D :hihi:
Great, then we're not some weird, fanatic cult afterall :hihi: