Here Today... Gone To Hell!

WOW.  TERRIBLE!! 

yeah man i just saw this over at tmz.com. i wonder if they are gonna delay the dark knight movie?

TMZ has learned that Academy Award nominee Heath Ledger has died in NY.

He was found dead in his bed in one of his residences in Soho by his housekeeper at 3:35 PM ET today. Law enforcement sources tell TMZ they believe it was not a crime.

The 28-year-old actor has a two year old daughter with former fiancee Michelle Williams. He was set to play the Joker in the upcoming Batman film "The Dark Knight."

Source: http://www.tmz.com/2008/01/22/heath-ledger-is-dead/

Also on perezhilton.com it is stated that it is believed that he died of a drug overdose, R.I.P.

Edit: just noticed that as I was writing another person made the same topic...so please delete this one :)

I don't see it on CNN.  Did you personally find him Butters?  This is weird.  He's a huge star and it's not on CNN or Yahoo???  Damn, I hope this isn't true.  I hate seeing young people die.  :(

Holy shit this is true.................

He is.

all over MSNBC and the news channels.

supposedly found him with tons of pills.

That's crazy.  The guy was found dead less than 2 hours ago and it's already been made public.

very sad.  going to be extremely spooky to see him as the joker

yeah i was just about to say that butters.. very sad, condelances to his family

this really sucks, he looked like he was gonna act the joker part awesome.

heroes die young.

kinda reminds me of brandon lee, one of his finest pieces of acting was in the crow and he died during it also.

this is very sad news. 

I just saw it on CNN.  Now it makes me sad and angry.

agreed.

wow. mad spooky.

always loved his work...

it's going to be hard to explain to the 2 year old daughter that she'll never see her father again  :-\

That's part of the reason I'm more angry than sad.

well, im sure he plays an amazing part in the new batman movie when it is out....

hopefully it will depict his memory and talent well.

as sad as this is - is it front page news?

me thinks not.  take a look at the stock market today.  thats news.

So sad these ODs, I just don't get it at all.

quote from another forum board, from another poster.

"It's been brought up on CNN, but it goes without saying that he was really into the role. He was quoted months ago in an article I read about how he would keep a journal on the character and how his role as the Joker was limiting his hours of sleep. He mentioned that his mind was constantly thinking about it and that he started taking Ambien as a response. I wouldn't be surprised if he kept on amping up the dose of Ambien until his body couldn't tolerate it anymore."


thoughts?

At the risk of sounding like an ass (like usual for me)...the thing that pisses me off about this type of thing is the waste of it all.  It's such a selfish act.  If you're gonna lose it, I mean really go off the deep end, give all your money to charity.  Go meet some people with real problems and try and put things into perspective.  There are kids with cancer in the world...there are people who really need help out there...and then there's the 2 year old mentioned earlier who needs him most of all.  Unfortunately not everybody has the ability to think beyond their self.  If something's not working for you, fame, your job, whatever, get out!  (not out of this world by taking your life).  I sure hope this was an accident...unfortunately, to off yourself with a ton of pills would probably mean it was intentional.  If he had a 2 year old, what a scumbag...that's even worse.    >:(

PS  Mrlee, I hope you are right.  I hope this was an accident.  That would be tragic, but sadly understandable.  If it's suicide via tons o' pills.......I won't say what I'm thinking, cause it aint very nice.  :-X

Mrlee, response, not to you, to the other forum's poster :

Are u trying to make us say he took method acting too far and became as nuts as the joker and had to slowly kill himself to get out of the role ?

Or is is just a lame excuse for a junkie ?

( and it's coming from someone who had to take a glass of wisky coming off stage every night)

If drugs are indeed the cause, it's all so very stupid, and all so very sad.  My condolences to his family, especially his little girl.

I think michelle williams did the right thing in distancing herself. He might have died anyway, imagine if his little girl was the one to find him dead instead of that masseuse ?

Dude this is so sad. I mean if you fuck around with drugs, you bring it on yourself, but still dude. Wow.

As always I agree with everything you have said here.

It's all very selfish.  

Wow... Insane, RIP


This is the first big one of 08  :no:

My heartfelt condolences to his family and friends.  Most of all, his two year old daughter.  May he rest in peace.

Ali

Just another dead celebrity. RIP

Actually i believe it was the housekeeper who found him. She came in to tell him the masseuse has arrived i believe.

hmm to bad


what movies was he in? i forget i keep thinking he was in a WWII flick or something but i can't remember what.

R.I.P
:peace:

I love the holier than thou mindset of the people who clearly weren't experiencing the pain and weren't in the same headspace as the man who quite possibly killed himself, condemning him for "abandoning his daughter" like you have the goddamn right.

Fuck.

You.

RIP Heath, an enormous talent lost.

 :beer:

Life isn't always as glamorous as it seems , it's possible he was facing some dark times , or he became self-indulged in his character , or it was an accident we should find out soon..

R.I.P

Never judge anybody

I love and respect all of u on here but Talking shit about Heath isn't cool at all.

No one could possibly know what he could've been going through

Also, it may have been an accident, so no one should made any assumptions at this point.


I liked the guy as an actor and it really sucks that he died.


RIP


People need to stop being disrespectful.

I know he had a daughter but still, it aint right to be so harsh on someone.

I wonder if it was mind altering hallucinogenics he was on to try to "think" more like the joker.  I read to get in character he locked himself in a hotel room for a month and tried to think how being a serial killer would be funny (or something twisted like that).

stinks hes dead.  very young talent.  he was amazing in brokeback.

I couldn't agree with you more. He was a fantastic actor and its so sad. R.I.P

Hey, flame away pal, that's cool.  Remember though, I made my condemnation conditional.  Who knows, maybe his death was an accidental overdose.  If however, he willingly took his own life and left his 2 year old girl fatherless, I stand by my "scumbag" statement.  Talented, sure, but like Kurt Cobain...a scumbag.  

I am amused by the irony of your calling me "holier than thou" though...I haven't been to Church in many, many years!   ;D  That was cute.  :)

"I love the holier than thou mindset of the people who clearly weren't experiencing the pain and weren't in the same headspace as the man who quite possibly killed himself, condemning him for "abandoning his daughter" like you have the goddamn right."

That little girl sure will experience pain......Yes, I have the "goddamn right"

I made all my comments conditional on the circumstances of his death. 

D, I respect you and everybody else here, but I respectfully disagree with the statement, "Never judge anybody."  Hell, we judge people all the time.  Whether it be athletes, politicians, or movie stars, it's part of what we do.  Nobody here has been disrespectful to Heath Ledger. (except for the "just another dead celebrity" b.s.)  All other comments have been conditional.  If this was an accident every person here is in agreement that it was just a completely tragic accident.     

 

I think traditional Batman fans will easily blame this on the Joker character, and mabye unfairly.... They are used to a cheery Joker...
With this dark persona he is playing, this will convince people this consumed him..

FYI this is the second related death with this movie... I remember reading a crew member was killed on set a few months back.... Also they had to cancel a scene due to a contaminated lake... Seems wrapped in a dark cloud...

^^ god i hated all the batman movies. I get so  ::) when people rave about Nicholson in the first one.  That movie was a stinker.

the batman cartoon has a better portrayal of the joker than the 80s movie did.

I won't be as nice as you. That's got to be one of the dumbest things I ever read on a message board - you can't make it through the day without judging people, whether they are celebrities or anyone else, it's totally ridiculous and meaningless.

Which is?

Plus the movie was 90 or 91(not that it matters)

the movie was '89. and i agree with butters. the joker in batman the animated series is the definitive joker for me. he was perfect. and not many know this, but mark hamill did the voice for him!!

although judging by the trailer, i think heath's joker might top it for me. its gonna feel so weird watching that movie this summer....

so it was the 80s!  rock on Lil' Butters! hehe  :peace:

yeah, ledger seems to nail it from the trailer.  I like when he says "....like me!"  straight from the cartoon. 

I disagree - I NEVER judge anybody!!

 :rofl:

Awesome

I cant wait till u fuckin die so we can come on here talk about what a worthless piece of shit u are.  How does that sound?


A man is fuckin dead and u guys on here are treating it like a joke.

Show some respect.


If u want to talk about fuckin batman, do it in the god damn batman thread. This is a thread about a young guy who died tragically.

Not a thread for the morality police or whatever else.

I'll be dead so I won't care.

Cool, now go apologize to Booker in the presidential thread  ;D

U guys are acting like he was some selfish prick who killed himself when u have no fuckin idea what caused his death.



Here is a good article I found on Yahoo.




NEW YORK - Heath Ledger, the talented 28-year-old actor who gravitated toward dark, brooding roles that defied his leading-man looks, was found dead Tuesday in a Manhattan apartment, facedown at the foot of his bed with prescription sleeping pills nearby, police said.

There was no obvious indication that the Australian-born Ledger had committed suicide, NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said.

Ledger had an appointment for a massage at the SoHo apartment that is believed to be the home of the "Brokeback Mountain" actor, Browne said. The massage therapist and a housekeeper found his naked body at about 3:30 p.m. They tried to revive him, but he was already dead.

"We are all deeply saddened and shocked by this accident," Ledger's publicist, Mara Buxbaum, said in a statement Tuesday night. "This is an extremely difficult time for his loved ones and we are asking the media to please respect the family's privacy and avoid speculation until the facts are known."

Outside the building on an upscale street, paparazzi and gawkers gathered, and several police officers put up barricades to control the crowd of about 300. Onlookers craned their necks as officers brought out a black bodybag on a gurney, took it across the sidewalk and put it into a medical examiner's office van.

As the door opened, bystanders snapped pictures with camera phones, rolled video and said, "He's coming out!"

An autopsy was planned for Wednesday, medical examiner's office spokeswoman Ellen Borakove said.

While not a marquee movie star, Ledger was an award-winning actor who chose his roles carefully rather than cashing in on big-money parts. He was nominated for an Oscar for his performance as a gay cowboy in "Brokeback Mountain." During filming, he met Michelle Williams, who played his wife in the film. The two had a daughter, now 2-year-old Matilda, and lived together in Brooklyn until they split up last year.

It was a shocking and unforeseen conclusion for one of Hollywood's bright young stars. Though his leading man looks propelled him to early stardom in films like "10 Things I Hate About You" and "A Knight's Tale," his career took a notable turn toward dramatic and brooding roles with 2001's "Monster's Ball."

"I had such great hope for him," said Mel Gibson, who played Ledger's vengeful father in "The Patriot," in a statement. "He was just taking off and to lose his life at such a young age is a tragic loss."

In the Australian city of Perth, where Ledger was born and raised, his father called the actor's death "tragic, untimely and accidental."

"He was (a) down-to-earth, generous, kind-hearted, life-loving, unselfish individual, extremely inspirational to many," Kim Ledger said, reading from a prepared statement. "Heath has touched so many people on so many different levels during his short life."

Ledger eschewed Hollywood glitz in favor of a bohemian life in Brooklyn, where he became one of the borough's most famous residents. "Brokeback" would be his breakthrough role, establishing him as one of his generation's finest talents and an actor willing to take risks.

Ledger began to gravitate more toward independent fare, including Lasse Hallstrom's "Casanova" and Terry Gilliam's "The Brothers Grimm," both released in 2005. His 2006 film "Candy" now seems destined to have an especially haunting quality: In a particularly realistic performance, Ledger played a poet wrestling with a heroin addiction along with his girlfriend, played by Abbie Cornish.

But Ledger's most recent choices were arguably the boldest yet: He costarred in "I'm Not There," in which he played one of the many incarnations of Bob Dylan ???? as did Cate Blanchett, whose performance in that film earned an Oscar nomination Tuesday for best supporting actress.

And in what may be his final finished performance, Ledger proved that he wouldn't be intimidated by taking on a character as iconic as Jack Nicholson's Joker. Ledger's version of the "Batman" villain, glimpsed in early teaser trailers, made it clear that his Joker would be more depraved and dark.

Curiosity about Ledger's final performance will likely stoke further interest in the summer blockbuster. "Dark Knight" director Christopher Nolan said this month that Ledger's Joker would be wildly different from Nicholson's.

"It was a very great challenge for Heath," Nolan said. "He's extremely original, extremely frightening, tremendously edgy. A very young character, a very anarchic presence that taps into a lot of our basic fears and panic."

Ledger told The New York Times in a November interview that he "stressed out a little too much" during the Dylan film and had trouble sleeping while portraying the Joker, whom he called a "psychopathic, mass-murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy."

"Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night," Ledger told the newspaper. "I couldn't stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going." He said he took two Ambien pills, which worked for only an hour, the paper said.

Ledger was a widely recognized figure in his Manhattan neighborhood, where he used to shop at a home and children's store. Michelle Vella, an employee there, said she had frequently seen Ledger with his daughter ???? carrying the toddler on his shoulders, or having ice cream with her.

"It's so sad. They were really close," Vella said. "He's a very down-to-earth guy and an amazing father."

Before settling down with Williams, Ledger had relationships with actresses Heather Graham and Naomi Watts. He met Watts while working on "The Lords of Dogtown," a fictionalized version of a cult classic skateboarding documentary, in 2004.

Ledger was born in 1979 to a mining engineer and a French teacher and got his first acting role playing Peter Pan at age 10 in a local theater company. He began acting in independent films as a 16-year-old in Sydney and played a cyclist hoping to land a spot on an Olympic team in a 1996 television show, "Seat."

After several independent films, Ledger moved to Los Angeles at age 19 and starred opposite Julia Stiles in "10 Things I Hate About You." Offers for other teen flicks soon came his way, but Ledger turned them down, preferring to remain idle than sign on for projects he didn't like.

"It wasn't a hard decision for me," Ledger told the Associated Press in 2001. "It was hard for everyone else around me to understand. Agents were like, 'You're crazy,' my parents were like, 'Come on, you have to eat.'

I thought he was a pretty crappy actor, but it's sad to hear about his death at such a young age.  Condolences to his family.

I've heard it thrown around that he may have been using Ambien.

If thats the case I just want to share a story. A few years back my father had a major back operation (spinal fusion) do to the pain medication he was on he started having problems sleeping. His doctor recomended Ambien because of it's non habit forming formula and "mild" side effects. After about a few weeks of use his sleep seemed to get better, but he started getting odd... almost distant. The more days passed the less and less engaged he bacame in every day activities untill we noticed that he started losing a ton of weight. It was then that we realized he hadn't been eating. He then started going into organ shut down. We had him rushed to the hospital and were told that if we waited more than a few more days he would have died.

The doctors started to examine the meds he was one due to the surgery and looked for possible reactions due to mixing... they found nothing. They then started to turn their attention to the Ambien. He was given fluids etc... and made a quick turn around. They took him off of the Ambien and he was back to normal. We then started looking into Ambien a little further and found similar stories about major mental and physical side affects. One of the things that was found in studies is that people began "sleep walking" under the influence of Ambien. One of the dangerous things that happened durring these episodes was that people began taken more Ambien while "sleep walking"

So not to steal a line from Rick James, but, Ambien is a Hell of a Drug.

Heath's Family: He Did Not Kill Himself

Posted Jan 22nd 2008 7:52PM by TMZ Staff

TMZ has been contacted by a rep from Heath's family. The cops told the family Heath's death was accidental and there is no evidence to support the buzz that he may have committed suicide.

They are particularly distraught over media reports that he may have taken his own life. The family says he was not that kind of person.

As we just reported, Heath was ill with pneumonia when he died.


He was ill so this could have also played a role in his death.

I think he got so into the role of the joker that it just freaked him out - like he couldn't shut it off.

thats insane.  Adds a new dimension to the Clown Prince of Crime.

As I mentioned in every single post in this thread, if this is accidental it's an absolute tragedy.  Very sad stuff indeed.  I feel horrible for his little girl.

On a great deal of trepidation when approached for the part of the Joker: ?I definitely feared it. Anything that makes me afraid I guess excites me at the same time. I don?t know if I was fearless, but I certainly had to put on a brave face and believe that I have something up my sleeve. Something different.?

On how he prepared the Joker?s sinister voice and laugh: ?I sat around in a hotel room in London for about a month, locked myself away, formed a little diary and experimented with voices ? it was important to try to find a somewhat iconic voice and laugh. I ended up landing more in the realm of a psychopath ? someone with very little to no conscience towards his acts. He?s just an absolute sociopath, a cold-blooded, mass-murdering clown, and Chris [Nolan] has given me free rein. Which is fun because there are no real boundaries to what The Joker would say or do. Nothing intimidates him, and everything is a big joke.?

I bet his diary has some SICK entries in it.  he said he would read as many comic books as he could and then meditate on it.  if he got REALLY into the character it prob made him a little crazy... 

They go in threes, Susan Pleshette, Allan Melvin, and now this guy.

I cant believe some of the media trying to tie his portrayal of the Joker to his death.  Yeah, he said he had a hard time sleeping after playing a psychotic Joker. But that was monthes ago.  He has been interviewed since then, and talked about how much he loved playing the character. The media took one statement he made about the Joker and have turned it into a story related to his death.

So do i and i really hope it was just a horrible accident. I don't envy his ex having to tell their daughter she will never see daddy again. What a horrible thing for a mother to have to tell a child.

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Definately up there with Keanu Reeves :hihi:

R.I.P. Heath.

There but for the grace of God go I.

RIP.

Rest in peace...

Maybe some of you can shut the fuck up and not post in this thread if you have nothing good to say.

The guy died and all you do is treat him like shit.

Fuck off.

May be one of the few times I've ever agreed with Christos.


The guy from what everyone says was a really great, down to earth cool person. not some selfish bastard who only cared about himself.

I think everyone in the future should really wait before they rush to judgement.



RIP

Definitely one of my favorite actors. not sayin that cause he died. I've watched Ten Things I Hate About You probably 50 times cause of him and even though I hate Batman, I was going to watch the new one just cause he was in it.

I watched Brokeback Mountain solely because he was in it *Easy Joke, But please refrain*

Monster's Ball was mint, The Patriot. The guy was not a Keanu Reeves shitty actor guy. The man had talent and when Dark knight comes out, Anyone who questions his ability will be simply shut the fuck up.

Rest in peace heath,   :'(
 
kinda weird that i watched Two Hands just last weekend. His best by far...

Monsters ball was a great movie and i think the dark knight will be too.

You hate Batman? Does that include Batman Begins or is your hatred only for the original franchise by Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher?

Heath Ledger was one of the best young actors out there. Even if I didn't always like the movie he was in, I always thought he delivered a hell of a performance--- and, usually, was the only reason to watch the movie. I especially liked the movie Candy that came out a year or two ago, where he played a heroin addict. That's probably my favorite Heath Ledger movie/performance.

He definitely seems like the kind of guy who takes his acting seriously, and sees each film/performance more as a work of art than an actual job. Unlike a lot of actors, I don't believe Ledger was in it for the fame or money. He also seemed like the type of actor who would really dive into each role, morphing into the character and becoming a different person. When an actor does that, especially when the character is very dark, I bet it can be very psycholgically disturbing for the actor--- they may feel like they really are going crazy. I've heard of actors playing druggies in movies, and in real life they go and hang out with real drug-addicts. Seems like Jared Leto had to check himself into rehab after doing Requiem for a Dream, even though he wasn't actually on drugs, he'd gotten so deep into a druggie's state of mind, that he felt like he was. Heath's performance as the Joker was already going to be creepy as hell, but it's going to be even more eerie now, considering it's his last performance we'll ever see.

Totally agree,it's very disrespectful to someone who's just died.

RIP

RIP, the guy was an amazing talent, my condolences to his family and loved ones.

Source : perez H ( yeah, i know, s what)

His death may not have been a suicide, but drugs - not just sleeping pills - more likely than not also played a part in the untimely passing of Heath Ledger.

WCBS in New York is reporting that drug packets were found inside the actor's SoHo Apartment, as well as a $20 bill with narcotic residue.

Several drug packets containing an unknown substance were found listed on the official police report from the scene.

It is possible that these items didn't belong to Ledger or that he didn't ingest them on the day of his death, but several reports have stated that Heath had been battling sobriety recently.

In addition to the unknown substances, several bottles of prescription meds were discovered in Ledger's apartment, including bottles of the prescription anxiety drugs Valium and Zoloft, along with the prescription sleeping medication Ambien.

This might be another Anna Nicole Smith.

Kids, drugs and abusing prescription meds are bad. Don't do them! BUT, if you are, and you shouldn't, then don't mix them!!!

*********************

Accidental ?

He met his demise, so we should give him some respect at the very least.

Could one of his prescription have weakened his heart, since he had a pneumonia ?

Anytime you mix drugs you are running the risk of shutting your heart/lungs down. Assuming he was mixing drugs.

Well, this didn't take long........


(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1770/westboroledgerok7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

god doesnt hate.

so i dont know what religion those retards are practicing.

Most CNS depressants(Downers) kill by decreasing the respiration. This in turn decreases oxygenation to the heart, as well as other organs. Less oxygen to the heart, the heart works less, which in turns decreases the respiration even more. It is a vicious cycle.

RIP

Totally agree with your statement God does not hate at all, so who knows what CULT are they into.

RIP Heath though I'm not a big fan I consider Brokeback a great movie.

So Pneumonia already weakens the respiration, so u add downers on top of that and it could slow u the rest of the way down to death.

Picket his funeral????????? OMG, some Christians.  These are supposed to be people of God?  Sick bastards, I hope they know every one of THEM will be burning in hell.

I am not surprised to read Ambien may have played a part in this mess, it is NOT a safe drug!  My own Grandmother got hooked on it, started the sleep walking thing and had numerous falls all while sleeping. 

Mixed with something else I can't even begin to imagine the effects.

Pneumonia is no joke either. 

Either way, people should refrain from making total judgement calls here until the facts are facts.  If you have nothing nice to say about Heath I am sure you can find a better thread to post in.

This (http://www.godhatesfags.com) is satire, surely?

Sadly, they are quite serious.

Gotta love the "land of the free" eh?

I think it is horrible to picket a funeral because the dude was in a gay movie and this church hates gays. I think the reverend is famous for this type of thing though. Where is the respect for the dead? Why make this family feel worse than they already do? The guy just played a role in the film to tell a story. Brokeback Mountain didn't advocate gay rights, it just presented a story of what happened to cowboys who were homosexual back in the day. Ang Lee didn't say Ok everyone now go and be gay.

Personally, I think it was an accident. He probably just mixed too many drugs. You must be really careful with your combos because yes, it can kill you or have an adverse reaction. I can't understand the whole mixing of uppers and downers though. Either you want to be up or go to sleep. Why would I take an upper if I wanted to go to sleep? Or why take downers if I want to party - maybe some weed to mellow but taking things like valium or anti-anxiety drugs and taking more than prescribed? It doesn't make sense unless you think partying is sleeping on the floor in a bar or at a party. Like Amy Winehouse taking Valium then smoking her pipe - aren't both downers? I have never smoked crack cocaine or coke so I don't know if it gives you an up or a down but most of the people I see smoke it, seems to bring them down.

I just think this is really sad. RIP Heath. Gone too soon.

That right there's a reason not to support democracy.

Could have stopped there.

Nope, but this (http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/) is parody.

Genius.

I love how the guy in the photo has to wear a mask to shield him from the stench of those that he is standing beside.


I found this a while back:
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"The liberal media seek to mock us and promote their pro-shrimp agenda by interviewing us on their radio shows. You can hear the audio of these blasphemous attacks on our values here."

I love it.

Best Buy cashes in pays tribute:

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http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/01/23/when-is-a-makeshift-best-buy-tribute-to-heath-ledger-too-soon-the-answer-always/

^^^ thats bad  :o

Saying someone is acting "holier than thou" doesn't necessarily imply churchgoing. It means an inflated sense of self-importance. Welcome to the world post-high school : ok:


Is that a promise? :nervous:

Christos, I'm so sorry you think that way.  How has Heath Ledger been treated like shit by posters in this thread?  Seriously, get a clue.  One post in 5 pages was derogatory.  One. 

D, there was no "rush to judgement."  Who the hell called him a selfish bastard?  Damn, the point I made was if he willfully offed himself and left his child fatherless, he'd be a selfish bastard.  Maybe that's too soon for folks to here what ifs...that's understandable.  Everyone has their own clock in these matters.

jonathanvondoom...you've heard the phrase, "No shit, sherlock," right?  Yes, I take my importance very seriously.  :hihi:
Really man, don't sweat the small stuff.  Thanks for the welcome to the world post high school!  : ok:  btw, I think you know I meant that poor girl will hurt for a long time as a result of this loss.  I thought I was pointing out the obvious that had this departure been a Cobain-like departure it would be much worse for her.   :peace:

I am still hoping to hear this was all a tragic accident.   :yes:

Prez, I totally understand why you might feel that way, but personally, even if that was the case, I would have a hard time feeling anything other than sadness and empathy for a guy who felt so tortured that he could no longer bear to exist.  Of course, a result of that is that his child is now fatherless and that's clearly an awful thing. But at the same time, I can also see how his possibly feeling suicidal does not need to reconcile with how much he loved and cared for his daughter, no doubt at least exponentially more so than any of us that don't even know her.

RIP Heath Ledger. He was a cool actor.
His take on Joker looked/looks very promising.




someone should take crash courses on proper smiley usage!

Thing is, when somebody is doing a lot of uppers, speed, coke, crack any of that kinda stuff they're going to need something to take the edge off the high and/or help them come down eventually and that's where the kind of thing you're asking about with the downers comes into play.  Of course, the more you keep going and the more messed up you get the more likely you are to lose track of what all you've been taking (in terms of quantity) and that's when things can get dangerous.  As far as crack goes, it is most definitely an upper (it's basically just a form of freebasing i.e. smokable cocaine) and people have a variety of ways of taking the edge off the high be it taking pills like valium or xanax, snorting heroin (which is pretty common), drinking a lot of liqour, whatever.  I would say this though, the effect you're talking about probably has more to do with the depression it brings on in the user once the initial high wears off, which doesn't take long.  The bottom line is it's all bad news of course, but what Perez Hilton is saying does have a ring of truth to it.  Mixing street drugs with various prescriptions, or even just mixing different prescriptions together can be a recipe for disaster.   

I'm sorry if that came out wrong!  I'm really not a heartless bastard.  That really wasn't a smiley face, there's nothing happy about all this.  A talented man has died way too early.   :(

Yeah this is shocking news, too bad. Another Celebrity found dead with pills beside him..... now he's just another statistic.   :'(

The evidence points toward Benzodiazepines, not cocaine, or any other uppers.

Yeah I know, I was just trying to answer her question about why people combine uppers and downers and speaking in a general sense.

It's disgusting to see what society has become.

Heath was a great actor in some of my favorite films and from what I know, a loving father. Whatever the situation was/is, a little girl is going to grow up without her father in her life. No one who hasn't gone through losing a parent could possibly understand the heartbreak and hardship that comes from such loss.

The GNR community has always been about coming together and showing our admiration for our favorite band, while we don't agree, we get along and show respect for one another. In other words, I would expect a little more grace and compassion. Drugs in any combination, frequency, or amount are dangerous and while it doesn't justify a person's actions, we can still look at a situation and feel and empathize. That's what sets us apart from every other species on the planet. Our ability to think, rationalize, and feel.

Living by your impulses and cracking largely inappropriate jokes is shallow and inhuman. Whether you liked, loved, or hated his acting, Heath was a person like all of us. And one day, all of us will die and I hope that you would want to be remembered and mourned rather than having everything you stood for be taken for granted and pissed all over.

Grow up. Seriously.

Christian Doesn't Think Heath's Death Was Joker-Related

Heath Ledger wasn't driven mad by Joker, says noted weirdo Christian Bale.


Although Jack Nicholson ominously said, "Well, I warned him," after Heath Ledger's death, his co-star Christian Bale doesn't believe the 28-year-old was driven mad by playing the Joker.

The shady circumstances leading up to Heath's death, including complaints of insomnia and a slavish devotion to his character, fed into gossip that the role had given him demons in a way that no cutie bad-boy hunk with ten reasons to hate role ever did.

But just because Heath wouldn't stop channeling the Joker while on the set of The Dark Knight doesn't mean he had problems. "Heath was somebody who, like myself, acted for that immersion in a character," Christian told Total Film magazine. "It's not an unusual thing. And from working with him and knowing him, I don't think that was unusual for him at all."

Note that this is the same actor who dropped 55 pounds to play a pilot stranded in the jungle in Rescue Dawn, so his idea of normal might be just a tad skewed.

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