Here Today... Gone To Hell!

How many people still watching it then?

Personally, I'm more into it than ever. I have a feeling the show's going to get blown apart again, only this Writer's Strike nonsense is really going to ruin things in 8 episodes time!

If anyone feels the need to post a spoiler, please edit the post so that the writing is tiny, and only readable by quoting it.

I can't wait, last season ended so awesomely!

I hate that they air it several weeks later in sweden so i can't talk about it in this thread :-\ among the best stuff on tv ever

i am really looking forward to it!

the season 3 finale and especially the flash forward were mindblowing :peace:

i wonder what happened to Jack's father....

Remember, you can always torrent it the day after, which is what I'm planning on doing. No way I'm waiting until Sunday Feb 3rd for Sky One to air it!

Has anyone else seen the trailer for Season 4? Be warned, it's fairly detailed regarding who's coming to the Island.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ou7cWOTXJs

that shit always gave me goose bumps^ :hihi:

Aye, looking forward to Lost I am. Err,

that is to say that I'm looking forward to Lost.

The trailer is good, gets you pumped an' all that, but three things strike me as hillarious; Hurley's "I'm going to be free," Sawyers British Soap opera style "Same thing I've always done... Surviving," and the fact that it ends with "Lost..." The Return! The return? Christ. That's the US for you. Way to over emphasise, melodramatize (surely that's not a real word?) something that I'm looking forward to.

I've enjoyed every season, every episode has been watchable... The first time around. Some of the mire in season 2 bored the shit out of me on a second viewing, and I couldn't bear it, so I had to stop watching. But aye, even those shite episodes are worth watching once. Even though it leaps about massively in quality, and some of the dialogue really is laugh-out-loud funny, few seasons can boast a general arc as interesting. So I like it, ho hum.

I've given a few things a go that try to have a go at the same kind of thing, and while none of them come close, Heroes...

... Can fuck off the most! Nine episodes I watched. Nine episodes!, that's more than six hours of my life!, wasted on that garbage. Anything that requires 6 hours of boredom in order to reap any kind of benefit can get tae fuck as far as I'm concerned. I'm alright with shows that feature characters that make me groan, let's face it pretty much everything does, but for that groan to come out of my body and throat (sometimes not even on purpose!) on every. single occasion. that there is a character on the screen? Nah, thanks. Not my cup o' tea.

If it's a decent mythology arc that you're after though, along with the general idea that the arc has been thought through from the start (the very notion!, constant... watcher... of Lost), look no further than Carnivale. I cannot stress enough how good it is. How good it... Was.

I hate the general public.

... I've had a few drinks. I've no idea what my original point was.

Ok. So the one person I discuss this show with is no longer here. I need to talk about things since the first two episodes. I tried the search function but it only brought up the spoiler from last season. Is there a thread already? Can someone send the link? I need to discuss bad. I want to know why Hurley said he was sorry to Jack for going with Locke? And I think last night's epi was a flash forward for the supposed rescuers and we weren't seeing a flash back.

I am just so happy this show is back that I could piss my pants.

Alright folks, so what do you think of the first two episodes? I loved the first more than last nights but I have two questions and wondering if anyone has any theories?

Remember last week when Hurley told Jack he was sorry for going with Locke? Do you think Locke is going to turn out bad?

Last night - I think the epi was a flash forward for the rescuer people - why would that guy be crying so badly - maybe he remembers meeting them on the island. And the anthropologists chick is happy because maybe the island was blown to pieces and she found remains?

But also, it seems many of these characters are either sensitive or able to communicate with the dead. Locke and Ben were surprised that Hurley found Jacob's cabin and could probably see him - and notice Miles ability and his comment about Naomi - no need to bring her, that's just a piece of meat now - like her spirit is out of her physical body but still exists.

I think the episodes are going to continue to rock, rock, and rock....gosh, I love this show!

Great stuff so far.

I liked the 2nd episode better.  They did a great job of adding 4 more people, and do so in the course of just one episode.  Well done. 

I believe it was a flash forward as well.  Had to be for them to get emptional over it.  I think Locke will turn out good, just as he has always been.  He wears his heart on his sleeve, so you know exactly which way he's going IMO.

I hope we get the WGA strike through with quickly!

They (the writers) have a great ability to propel the story forward by dropping hints of the future ("I'm one of the Oceania 6") at the same time they keep the present story (stuck on the island) interesting and relevant. Really, one of the most talented group of writers ever assembled, IMO.

Ok. Questions about last night's show or just some observations:

Was Miles speaking to Ben in code? Do you think Miles was the spy on board the freighter? Maybe he was telling Ben where the freighter is located and he has one week until they come looking for them? But, if he wants to stay on the island, like he told Kate, what does he need 3.2 mil for? Obviously, you don't need money to live there. I suspect he picked up the money he was looking for in the episode where he went to the old lady's house and found heroin and money in that secret space - maybe Ben told him money would be found there? I still think the freighter episode was a flash forward.

Also, did anyone notice that at the end, Kate said something like - I know you don't want to see her but when you do, maybe we could have coffee with her again? Notice the her, not the him, referring to Aaron? Do you think the "her" could have been referring to Kate's kid with Sawyer or maybe even one of the Others, who made it off the island? Or would Claire give Aaron to Kate for some reason?

I think Jack of course didn't want to see Aaron, he knows Claire is his half sister by now and maybe it is too hurtful to be reminded of that if she died or was harmed when they were trying to get off. But, I would think, he would support the kid because if she is gone, the kid is going to need as much family as possible. Something is definitely weird there.

And didn't the psychic Claire saw before she had Aaron, say that it was important that Claire raise Aaron and no one else? Do you think the Others may have forced Aaron off the island because they know he is going to be evil or harmful one day? And Kate's punishment is having to take care of him? Maybe the Others took Aaron from Claire and wanted him off the island because they knew he would probably be more powerful than Ben?

I love this show. I am going to be so sad when it ends. It makes you think so much. And discuss life - is there really time travel? Life after death? What is right and wrong when wrong is committed to someone who deserves it? Does that make it right?

What do you make of the card game between Charlotte and Danial? Have they been on the island before? It seems so. I still think Ben is in a power struggle with the creator of Dharma and Dharma wants back on the island knowing Ben took over. I think Penny's dad might be the one he is struggling against. Who else has that kind of power and money to make things happen, for instance, Desmond's boat getting off course and stuck once again on the island?

Takers anyone?

I've noticed no one is posting in this thread. Is it because we don't want to spoil for those who don't see the show when we see it? I'm in the US. Seriously, I'd love to discuss what has happened so far this season. Will we discuss after the finale? I won't put anything in here if you guys think I will spoil. Thursday is now my favorite day of the week.

The only episode that moved slow for me was Juliet flashback but the rest of the season has been great! I love Desmond and his flashback/current episode. That rocked my world. I can't wait for tonight as we will get a Locke flashback.


Damn. I'm going to miss this show when it is gone. It's one of the few things I do watch on TV.

I'm still watching (though we TIVO'd the show last night...so don't tell me!).

I think discussion has died down because the viewership has died down a bit.  It's not the "hot show' it used to be (though it's still solid in the ratings).

I, too, won't know what to do when the show is over...but I can't WAIT for all the answers!

Pfft. You guys are giving this show way too much credit.

Now, don't get me wrong!, it's great!, I look forward to Fridays. But... It's far from the best thing ever made. For one, the rewatch value isn't overwhelming. Maybe that will change with the last three seasons supposedly mapped out, but seriously... It's not like you can watch season 1, 2 and 3 after seeing the first three and the first half of the fourth (which I did!) and be physically shaken as to the extent to which themes have been rooted in earlier episodes.

If it's mythology you're after, there is no better example than Carnivale!, it beats Lost to a bloody pulp. There are things in the opening montage of the opening episode that aren't even referenced until season 2!, and plenty of stuff that would definitely have cropped up and formed arcs in later seasons had it not been cancelled.

As I say, Lost, yeah, it's great... Season 4 could even be the best so far. But miss it that much?, I probably won't. I mean... Again, take The Wire. I am gutted that it has finished (though, I would add that it did so at the PERFECT time!), but I can take solace in that the five season that we got are infinitely rewatchable.

Lost, sure, that's not to say that you won't get enjoyment from rewatching them (as I said earlier, I already have!), but it's not a show that demands a second viewing like The Wire and Carnivale. Carnivale because the degree to which the mythology is plotted is just staggering, and The Wire because it's the Catcher in the Rye of television (a word far too dirty to exactly relish having to place it in the same sentance as "The Wire"); you'll get more and more, something different, each time that you revisit it!

Of course, the last three seasons could well turn out to be different and all merit a good rewatch and all that.

I have not watched Carnivale but I have seen the Wire and I agree with you. It was/is an excellent show.

Not having seen Carnivale I can't comment on mythology but you are not giving Lost credit here. The themes and ideas they play with on Lost are very suggesting and applicable to our times. As someone who has been jaded by the world, I search for alternative theories about this world and the try to attribute those theories to why things are happening as they are now. I also wish I would be given a chance to find out my ultimate reason for being here and hope that my life somehow contributes positively to my time spent here. I don't feel that it does, and I don't have the time to explore my reason for being here. So, the show is much more personal to me because I can identify with the struggles the characters go through regarding life. And I hope that their is a scheme to all this madness as Lost would suggest.

It just makes you think about the important or worthy things in life. Destiny versus science. God or no god? Life after death? Is time travel possible? Why do some people seem to have things easy while others have to fight for everything they obtain? And they use so much imagery and tie in so many themes that I think the way it is setup is brilliant. No show on TV or cable has made me ponder life this much and I guess that is what impresses me.

Last night was a fantastic episode. I love Locke! I hope he doesn't turn out to be bad. And Hurley had classic lines last night. Guess we are the only ones who can see the cabin because all of us are crazy and Dude, I'm not going in there. I think it is better than it has ever been. Is Claire dead? I think so.

That's why it sucks that more people aren't watching because I believe some of these actors should be nominated for awards with some of the episodes we have been given. The Desmond one especially. He is a fantastic actor. But Locke and Ben have done some good shit this season too.

Oh well. If you guys want to discuss, I am always here. I have my theories but I like to read others too because it opens my mind to new possibilities.

Prediction for the Season Finale:

Sayid will make it to the Island just in time to get the Oceanic 6 on board his little motorboat. Locke and Ben will make it to the Orchid Station, but not before Keamy goes off the deep end and gets killed. Locke and Ben will "move" the Island in time, either backwards or forwards just as Sayid leaves the bubble surrounding the area.

Season 5 will deal with the Oceanic Six re-finding the Island. The reason Jack couldn't locate it in the Season 3 finale is because Locke has moved it in time. This is also why Widmore can't find it.

On another note, Kevin "Martin Keamy" Durand has really stepped up his game since the hiatus. All signs pointed to him being a minor character but now he's the biggest villian going. Also, Cabin Fever was a great episode, but does anyone else feel a little disappoointed we didn't get to see Jacob? I guess he'll be a Season 5 thing. Hopefully we also get a Rousseau and/or a Libby flashback. They need to be told.

Last thing, totally seems like Widmore is heavily connected to DHARMA.

so.. what episode are you guys in the US on, episode 10 will air next week here in sweden, i've already seen it but how long after you are we so to speak?

We just watched Cabin Fever - a Locke flashback. The season finale is supposed to start this week with the first of three episodes. It's supposed to be centered around Claire and what up with her.

Why do you think Hurley apologized to Jack for going with Locke then? How does Hurley get from being with Locke and Ben to one of the survivors? And do you think Claire is dead? I think Widmore is the head of Dharma and I think he found the island first. Do you think Ben and Locke are really brothers? Why did the island choose Locke? And maybe Christian Sheperd is Jacob, that's why he appeared.

Hurley apologized because he didn't trust Jack's word at first. I really have no idea how they are going to get Hurley off the island though.

I did think she was dead but now I think it's also possible that Jacob is just protecting her for now. They need Aaron off the island to convince Jack to return perhaps. It's destiny course-correcting.

I'm not sure about Widmore yet. Maybe he was on the Black Rock?

I'm 100% that Jacob and Christian Shepherd aren't the same entity. As for Locke and Ben being brothers, I don't agree. I think their link is just that they were both courted as the Chosen One. Maybe Locke was chosen simply for the fact he survived premature birth and infections. Richard could believe he is the reincarnation of someone?

last episode was kick ass! Who do you think is on the plane with them? The stewardess or whatever says hi to someone sitting in the front of the plane. I want to say Ben but maybe Locke?

I think the season finale will paint a good picture of why they need to go back to rescue the others. I don't know what will happen but I'm dying to see how the chosen were chosen and what deals/bargains had to be made to get off. Or did someone pick the ones that would get off?

The producers said we would find out much more about Claire but the premiers for the finale dont' show crap about Claire. But I do think the rest of the seasons will be about how they get back and them taking on the bad guys - whether it's ben or widmore.

I think widmore originally found the island, founded Dharma, had them do experiments that could keep him alive forever or make him extremely rich. He might not know about the forces that exist on the island. When Ben grew up there, I bet sometime after the gas bombing of the hostiles, he moved the island at some point so Widmore couldn't find it anymore. I think Ben has moved the island before. But I think the island had always chosen Locke but they weren't sure when he was little if he was the one. I think Ben self imposed himself as the leader and as long as he used the island properties for good, the island protected him. But as time goes by, the island sees that Ben is harming more and more people with his experiments and decides its time to bring Locke there. The flight was doomed from the beginning. They only wanted a few people and didn't care if the rest died. The whole flight I believe was a setup. Oceanic Airlines is setup to send people to the island when they are wanted but otherwise maintains regular flights. And I don't think Jack will ever get back alone. He will need the power of the whole group to make the plane crash and then of course they should survive. I'm dying to know how Aaron is important to the story. Is Aaron John Locke reincarnated?

That is why I love this show. So many things to ponder.

so tonight is the double episode season final?


that means it'll be out on torrent sites tomorrow, can't fucking wait :drool:

must say I have never watched an episode


but i have a ?

how is that one dude still so fuckin huge after walkin on an island for that long?

man, some day you have to start see it from the begining, and then you'll have more questions about it then you'll ever imagine..

the answer to your question is that the show is actually not for real, he's just an actor and still eats his hamburgers

What did you guys think of the finale? Opinions?

Truthfully, I thought it was good but I was disappointed with what they chose to tell us. I thought the producers said Claire and Aaron would be explained and none of that happened. And I thought the way the Oceanic Six were released sucked. There has to be more to that story. Ben just saying, well go then, really wasn't that thrilling. I thought there would be deals and promising the first born. And just because Locke says they cannot tell anyone - they are going to listen? Why would'nt they tell everyone in sight so they could save their friends? No one said, if you tell anyone we are going to kill all of your friends. So, I don't get the urgency of that threat? Also, the producers said it would be clear who was bad and good by the finale. I still don't know if Ben/Widmore/Locke are good or bad. I am guessing we should think Ben is bad since he didn't think twice about killing Keamy even though it would blow up a whole freighter of people. And I still want to know why these certain people were brought to the island? Why Jack? Why Kate? Why Sawyer? Why Locke? Etc...

The saddest part was Jin/Sun. Hurley playing with the dead people was classic. And I wasn't  surprised to see Locke in the coffin. How the hell are they going to bring him with if they go back? Weekend at Bernies? But why would the island let Locke die if his mission wasn't completed yet? He was trying to get all of the ones who made it off to go back. Maybe he will pop up at Jack and Ben.

Like I said, I thought it was good but I still have 50 million questions. I don't think they answered enough. It is going to drive me nuts waiting until January though. I wish it started in the fall.

I consider Ben and Locke good guys . . . It's just that they're willing to sacrifice anything to protect the island. I thought the finale was very good, although not as good as last year's. Most of what we saw we already knew, like the survivors going to that other island to be saved and stuff. I wasn't surprised either that it was Locke in the coffin. My friends and I had discussed our opinions about who would be in the casket ever since last year's season finale . . . Locke was one of the choices that made the most sense, especially because of Jack's comment about being neither family or friend. The whole island-disappearing thing kinda blows my mind . . . where the hell did it go?

Now I just wonder how they're going to approach next season. Are we going to see what happened on the island with Locke and the Others and Sawyer and everybody, while at the same time flash-forwarding into the future to see how the Oceanic 6 reunite and try to get back to the island? I'm sad that there's only 2 more seasons left. There's so many questions to be answered in such a short period of time.

I like the direction the writers are going with Sun. She's never been one of my favorite characters, or seemed all that important really . . . but the finale kinda gave the impression that she's going to become an antagonist in the future, since she blames Jack for Jin's death, and she gave Widmore her card and said that they have "similar interests."

I'm also excited about the possible future altercations between Desmond and Ben, since Ben wants to kill Penny to get back at Widmore for killing Alex. Desmond's never really had any beef with Ben like Jack and the other survivors, but you know he isn't just going to sit back and let Ben take away the love of his life.

And I'm not even sure if Locke is really dead . . . I mean, the dead walk around on the island, so he could still be there in that sense, much like Christian Shepherd . . . Also, considering his relationship with the island and how he survived being shot by Ben and stuff . . . Maybe he'll come back to life once he's on the island. Maybe he staged his supposed death to reunite the Oceanic 6 and get them to return to the island . . . Hell, who knows. It's impossible to try and figure out where this show's going. I just enjoy watching it all unfold.

You know, I sort of have lost interest. The story has added layer upon layer of mystery (and new characters) with few answers, or the answers that have been given are rather lame and not interesting. I used to be really dedicated to the show, but now it does not hold my interest as before. I find my mind wandering or I even engage in conversation with the wife (God forbid!) during the show, whereas in previous seasons that would not happen. I think the show has gotten old, arrogant toward its fans, and uninteresting. Plus the fact that it only airs 1/2 of a season--this is one for me that can be relegated to the "who cares" category.