Here Today... Gone To Hell!

TMZ has learned that rocker Scott Weiland has been arrested, again, for DUI. Shocker, we know.

The Stone Temple Pilots and Velvet Revolver singer was driving on an L.A. highway around 6:15 PM on November 21 when he crashed his car. While the California Highway Patrol was investigating the non-injury wreck, they noticed Weiland appeared to be impaired. (Um ... ya think?) According to the police report, Weiland failed sobriety tests and refused to take a blood or urine test. He was booked for "driving under the influence of a drug. "

He was released on $40,000 bail and will be back in court on December 13.

Weiland is no stranger to run-ins with the law. He was busted for buying crack in 1995, domestic violence in 2001, DUI on his birthday in 2003, and as TMZ first reported, allegedly trashed a hotel room while brawling with his wife. His wife later issued a statement saying her hubby was "simply trying to help calm me down."

Calls to Weiland's reps were not immediately returned.

I for one, am shocked and stunned by this latest development..  (http://www.misterspunky.com/faces/tea.gif)

Sad, just when you thought he had his life turned around... :no:

Wow. I don't know if I should be surprised or not... Seems like the guy hasn't managed to get rid of those demons even though it appeared he had.

The guy was sentenced to three years on probation in July 2004. I'm no expert, but I don't think it'll look good in court.



Could you be on tour abroad (for example in Australia) if you have to be back in court on December 13th?





/jarmo

I don't think so..  He's probably not allowed to leave California, let alone the states.

That would explain why VR didn't give a reason for the canceled shows.





/jarmo

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Argh! Just knew of this... I?m so angry.... damn you Scott Weiland! Oh... I?m sober now.... yeah... always the same shit... they say they?re sober and always end up like this.... and screw the fans! God.. am I angry....... fucking shame   >:(  argh!! damn!


sorry...  :no:

thats an old picture from the 2004 arrest btw.

http://perezhilton.com/?p=9876

Blame Perez.

lol he?s always the one who gives me the bad news.

I think a lot of fans will be upset.

But considering he didn't hurt nobody, things could've been a lot worse.


Now, should the guy be playing shows or seeking help? That's the question.

The band has shows scheduled this month. Wonder if those will go along as planned.






/jarmo

God I hope they will! I mean... there?s so many fans outside the States who want to see them live and now see things a little blurred. It sucks.  :no:

It's California. ?They seem to ignore their own laws. ?He should use the same lawyer that Linsey Lohan and Nicole Richie used. ?They got like 84 and 86 MINUTES jail time for their DUIs!!!


On a serious note ... I hope he gets the help he obviously still needs.

Guess the karate lessons from Duff weren?t that usefull....

lol now I?m turning into sarcasm.... ahh the angriness.

I still don't understand why they are booking shows, when all this is going on.

they need to set things straight to the fans. they keep talking about shows but seeing things like they are now... I really want some straight answer about it.  :-\

I'm not really all that surprised, but still it's kind of sad and annoying at the same time. You'd think that those 14-something times in rehab would've been enough. I wonder how long it's going to take for a press release from the VR camp to pop up. maybe that's what the cancellations of the shows were all about.

Here is the police report...

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/1230_scott_wm.pdf

DUI is fucking serious..

isn't his three years of probation over tho? If he was sentenced in july 04 i mean?

You think? ;)

yeah I think so, but it still doesn't look to good in court...especially with his history of drug use and such.
It's a long shot but I'll take my chances  ;) :hihi:

its very fucking serious.  and its also very fucking stupid.   he's lucky he didn't hurt or kill anyone, let alone himself.   I think it should be mandatory jail time.

he should get his ass straight and get back on the road with the guys.
I can sense the rest of the band are really hating this because they love touring, and at the same time are trying to help the fella.

what does DUI stand for?
(sorry, english = not my first language)

driving under the influence

I think it was drugs rather than alcohol.

40,000 for bail?  :no:

yes, to me DUI is among the "worst" crimes.. to me it's a lot worse then selling dope, drug possesion, prostitution.. because while commiting DUI, you're not only putting yourself in great danger but others totally innocent people just walking the streets :no:

I have pretty much no respect at all for Scott now

Yeah, 40,000 bond is excessive for a DUI. Too, rehab could be the medical problem. That would explain a lot. It is always best to enter rehab before a court appearance on a drug charge.

DUI in the States has only been aggressively enforced for about 20 years. Old habits die hard.

I wonder if he's TRYING to kill himself?

You'd think he'd be a little smarter about these kinds of things... (DUI)

Regarding rehab, I was thinking the same thing.  That seems to be what a lot of celebs are doing prior to court.  He is back in court the 13th of Dec., they have a show on Dec. 12th.

Also, they just put up on their website:

Meet and Greets for December 29th Available Now!  :-\

When you're under the influence of either drugs or alcohol your own wellbeing (or others for that matter, seeing as he was the one driving) isn't exactly number one on your list of priorities. as for being a little smarter about DUI, well, Mr Weiland has a bit of a history of driving while under influence, so no can't say i'm particularly surprised that he isnt' all that smart about it.

True, but considering how many times he's done that, it makes me think he's trying to get in trouble/kill himself or SOMETHING... :/

nah, I don't think so. to me it seems like the 'out of control' type of behaviour that someone who's completely out of it has.
I remember hearing an interview with Dave navarro a while back where he said that he and Scott would do heroin at Dave's house all the time, but eventually Scott would pretty much always end up driving off in his Mercedes (and get caught by the police). Dave was like 'where are you going dude, the heroin's right here!' 
There are drunk chicks who like to show their boobs when they're drunk, maybe driving while under the influence is Scott's thing.

From MTV

The singer was arrested for driving under the influence of a drug and then taken to the LAPD jail in Van Nuys, California, where he allegedly refused to take a blood or urine test. He was later released on $40,000 bail, an amount that is much higher than the typical misdemeanor bail in such a case, likely due to the singer's prior arrests.

wonder what "drug" it was according to mtv

It's from the police report I think.

They couldn't say since he refused to let them take a blood or urine test.




/jarmo

Where the accused refuses to take a blood, breath or urine test, this refusal can be used as evidence that the accused was conscious of their guilt. The DMV will also use this refusal to suspend or revoke the suspect?s driver?s license and the refusal can also be used to enhance the punishment in criminal court in the event of a conviction.

http://www.got-a-dui.com/california_law/

he probably refused because it was possibly more than alcohol.....I would suspect..

I don't know If I'm surprised or not

Last I checked this was rock n roll right?

So who gives a fuck if a rockstar falls off the wagon? He isnt the first and sure as fuck won't be the last.

U guys are making it out like a catholic priest raped another child.


I find it amazing that this happened two weeks ago and people are just now finding out.

Have VR fallen so far that no one even gives a shit?

Did you see how their album sold despite having a couple of high charting singles?

Yes, you conspiracy theorists are always around the band seeing signs in everything.




Tell that to the Australian fans...

And everybody else affected by this. Including his family.



/jarmo

1) Weiland needs serious help.

2) VR? Stick a fork in 'em. They're done.

Full MTV article here:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1575643/20071203/velvet_revolver.jhtml

Sad news for both Weiland and his family.  I'm far from a big VR fan, but I hope the worst is over for all affected.

It's obviously drugs because there is no mention of them wanting to do a breathalyzer, only blood and urine tests which wouldn't be needed if it was suspected to be booze. 

I wouldn't be surprised if he has to serve some time being that he has multiple similar convictions and yeah, he probably cannot leave the state at least until his next court appearance. 

Guess we know what the "mystery illness" is now.

Frankly, this is really sad for the REST of the band, not to mention the fans who paid good money to see them.

People die all the time because some selfish asshole decides to get behind the wheel while under the influence. ?That's why people are upset. ?He may not be the first or last rockstar, or more accurately, fucking moron, to do this, but that doesn't mean it is anything to dismiss.

Sorry, I have very strong feelings about what driving under the influence can do.

Ali

Would it be "rock n roll" if he collided into a car with small children in it while under the influence?

Hey, I have no problem with people doing what they want in their own home or not behind the wheel, if they want to kill themselves by being stupid that is their prerogative.  When you take it to the road then I have to take issue with that. 

This was a publicity stunt to get his name back in the press.  He got caught on purpose.  Rock n Roll bad boy image is much better marketing tool than his sober boring famly man persona.

Velvet Re-haber

See now this fucks up VR  :no:

I'm not a fan, only because this guy was chosen as the singer.... What did the guys expect when they hired him.... Mabye they'll hire a better singer now

If I'm reading this right, looks like he did hit another car, and spend the night in jail...


From E! News

Five days later, on the night before Thanksgiving, Weiland's 2006 Mercedes CLS tagged a 2005 Chrysler Sebring on an offramp of the northbound 170 Freeway at 6:18 p.m. on Nov. 21, according to the California Highway Patrol. There were no injuries; the cause of the crash is still under investigation, CHP Officer Leon Hines said.

As authorities combed the scene, according to the CHP, Weiland "exhibited signs of impairment."

"The investigating officer administered a series of field sobriety tests to the driver [Weiland], which he was unable to satisfactorily perform," the CHP arrest report said.

Weiland was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence of an unspecified drug about an hour and a half after the accident. He was booked later that night at an L.A. County jail, where the CHP said he declined an invite to provide a blood or urine sample.

With bail set at $40,000, Weiland was sprung at noon on Thanksgiving Day, Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department online records show.

There was no immediate comment Monday from Velvet Revolver's camp.


Complete article here: http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=0d9eb13d-c651-439d-a2c0-7e6375be23a9

That maybe the goofiest thing I've ever read on this forum... ::)

"Illness" in the band...I mean c'mon, is anyone with any sense whatsoever surprised?

As I've said a bazillion times, when addiction is involved all bets are off.

Be thankful nobody (including himself) got killed.

It'll be interesting to see how this unfolds..

Uhh getting arrested for drugs and being forced to cancel gigs because of it and pissing off your fans is hardly a publicity stunt.

He always gets in trouble with drugs every 3 or 4 years or so. Since the last time was 2003, guess it was time for him to fuck up again....

thank gawd he didn't kill himself an anybody else.

THe man needs to get some help. If not for himself then for his kids.

From MTV: On Monday, the singer's management issued a statement saying, "Scott Weiland was recently involved in a minor accident in Los Angeles and denies he was driving under the influence. He voluntarily took a Breathalyzer test, which the defense believes registers well within the legal limit. He is anxious to get to court on December 13 and clear this matter up."


Oddly enough, the police report says: "While the police were investigating the traffic collision, Weiland exhibited signs of impairment," and "The investigation officer administered a series of field sobriety tests to the driver, which he was unable to satisfactorily perform."




/jarmo

Seems a bit contradictory.  A breathalyzer will do nothing if it's drugs anyway.  I am pretty sure the penalty is harsher if you refuse tests, at least it is here in NY.  Not sure he will be able to "clear things up" that easily. 

in california you have a choice between a breathalyzer and a blood/urine test last time I checked

its a pr statement...what do you expect! "mr weiland was driving fucked out of his mind and hit a car. we believe hes innocent!" :P

This is the last time I will say it... I promise...  HE DID IT ON PURPOSE!!!

Just like the time Kimberly from Diff'rent Strokes robbed the video store!!!  Bad publicity is GOOD publicity when nobody cares about you anymore...

I wonder why, when the accident (from the police report) happened at 6:18 he wasn't arrested until 7:50?  If he exhibited signs of impairment and failed the field sobriety test...why wasn't he arrested then?

From mtv

Weiland was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence of an unspecified drug about an hour and a half after the accident.

The police report says driving under the influence of a drug.. I wonder if it was an actual drug, or if the police consider alcohol a drug too.

I'm sure the recent death of his brother is not making sobriety any easier for him.

If it was alcohol it would say as much.  They say drug because they probably don't know what one it was. 

Alcohol IS a drug.  A drug you shouldn't be taking while driving.  Hence the upcoming jail sentence.

its not about falling off the wagon.  its about getting behind the wheel of a car and driving when you are under the influence.   its one of the stupidest things someone can do and good innocent people die everyday because of this.   

I meant that if they caught you under the influence of alcohol, would they just put "alcohol" or a "drug" on the police report.

If people want to fuck up their own lives with drugs and alcohol, that's their business... but when you bring it outside like that, and put innocent people in harm's way because of your problem, that makes you a douchebag. My good friend died at 16 because of some drunk asshole lady that probably though she could drive because she was "rock and roll".  Last I checked, rock isn't about killing people because you can't control yourself.

Yes, it is a drug but under the laws of the state of California it is considered a separate offense. ?He is charged with DUI related to being under the influence of a drug (meaning one that is not alcohol). ?Obviously this is why he refused the blood/urine test.

http://www.california-drunkdriving.org/laws.html

You people turn my stomach.  There is NOTHING 'rock n roll' about driving wasted.

Very good point.?

And last time I checked, in regard to other speculation, alcohol is considered a drug, these days.? I'm sure if it were more, we would already have heard that.? Either way, he's potentially fucked.? Although money & good lawyers can be a very good thing.? ?

I think if it was alcohol, his PR people would have admitted that.  It would be easier to say you drank too much at a Xmas party rather, than you failed at kicking drugs....again....especially after you've been so vocal about it.

I think VR is toast.

Damnit to hell Scott!! ?So now he is the effing reason alone for no Aussie tour. ?How selfish. ?And i know the other guys aren't saints. ?But he is affecting their pocket book as well. ?

Time to use this as an excuse to end band and find new singer that wants to rock.

Time for Scott to cure his problems. ?Like I said, he was hammered in Birmingham show back in October. ?This is not new. ?

I don't know.? No matter who you are, addiction is hard to overcome.? It's not necessarily selfishness or even weakness.? I think that the addiction, to whatever, can take precedence over everything - job, family, self.? Can't be an easy road.? ? ?

I know its tough.  But damnit, they are out to get you in LA.

If Paris went to jail over her shit, he should be there for a couple months if guilty.

The other guys knew what they were getting into when Scott joined the band.

It is tough, addiction that is.

But, at a certain point, when you can jeopardize so much, you have to think of the bigger picture. ?When you don't think of bigger picture, the larger consequences or ramifications and instead make a conscious decision to use, and bear that in mind that it is a conscious decision to use, then it is selfish.

Ali

Who could they get, though?  Josh Todd has no reason to want to play with them, especially considering he wasn't exactly happy with how he was cut loose.  There is no way Baz would work with them.  He has no reason to either after his kickass new record came out.

Ali

I just hate how everyone jumps to conclusions and already convicts the guy.

Maybe he had some sort of trouble with a prescription drug he was on and maybe he mixed it with an over the counter cold medicine and it fucked him up

U never know......


I love how people can speculate about Scott and say whatever when they don't know all the facts. That to me is bullshit.

The bottom line is driving under the influence is not o.k. no matter what, prescription drug (which is highly unlikely) or illegal drug or alcohol.

Failing a field sobriety test, while it may not be definitive proof, is more than not a good indicator of someone's sobriety or lack thereof.

Ali

But do you think that he would refuse to take a blood or urine test if that were the case?

It doesnt look good, but still we should wait for all the facts.

maybe Scott just felt like being a pain in the ass.

This from AP

Weiland's publicist said in a statement that Weiland was involved in a "minor accident," but denies he was driving under the influence.

"Scott was not driving under the influence of a drug, legal or illegal," Kristine Ashton-Magnuson said. "He voluntarily took a breathalyzer test which the defense believes registers well within the legal limit."

"He is anxious to get to court ... and clear this matter up," she said.

The statement doesn't specify whether Weiland denies driving under the influence of drugs or of alcohol.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iBZ8bW71cstdOVS7uoVw6e17aqCgD8TAF5881

Of course they are going to say that.

If he was not under the influence of something, then why and how would he fail a field sobriety test?

Ali

THe Filter dude could use a job.....

Shame it appears he can't keep his shit together.  Shame for the fans and the rest of VR.....

You don't usually refuse a blood and urine test unless you have something to hide.

I fall to pieces, I'm falling
Fell to pieces and I'm still falling

And a shame for him and his Family.Which too me is the biggest shame.

It's an interesting position for them to take.  It really only leaves that he was arrested for no reason whatsoever? ??? 

Yeah true - the family is usually the one that gets hurt the most, and unfortunately there is nothing much they can do. 

I'm sorry but Driving Under Influence, does it mean alcohol or drugs, or any substance ? I'm not familiar with the term and its meaning.

If he was drunk, thank God he didn't kill or hurt nobody, but that's not so bad to me. Can you swear you never drove after a few shots ? I know I can't (and I know it's not responsible).

But if he was under drugs, then it sucks big time for his band. And I can see VR's death from here.

I'm pretty sure DUI is when you're drunk... maybe either or... but usually it's used when people are drunk...

but in his case, apparently AT FIRST he was under the influence of a drug AND alcohol, but now they seem to be denying it...

Yeah...right. so basically they totally arrested him for nothing? they don't just make stuff up so they can get you arrested. if he was 'so anxious to clear things up', seeing as he was not under the influence of drugs or whatever, then why did he refuse to take a blood or urine test? he could've proved it right away.

I'm sure they'd reply with something along the lines of "oh! the meds he's on made him say that!" or something retarded...

not trying to defend Scott but police can be very ugly at points telling people "they failed those tests" (even if they didnt) just to fuck with you. and when being totally clean i basically would refuse blood and urin tests aswell as that procedure is just some time consuming?and the police and me shouldnt waste that time and money. off course they have the last word.
and lets not forget Scott being some little famous could be pure $$$ for the state as the 40.000$ proves.

I don't mind people doing drugs at all. We know everyone within gn'r and velvet revolver, past or present does them or at least has done them. Personally i think every single one still gets high off of something till this day, except bumble maybe ?:hihi:. Thats just my personal opinion tho.

What i don't understand tho is, WHY DO YOU DRIVE YOUR FUCKIN' CAR at the same time? How stupid is that? Couldn't he just take a fuckin' cab? I mean, c'mon... Wake up already...

I hope he gets out of it tho, i'd hate to see this band fall to pieces because of a stupid fuckin' thing like this... :no:

Police are notorious for "making stuff up". They also are prone to perjuring themselves to make sure the arrest stands. As regards field sobriety test, I couldn't pass one "stone cold sober" if I didn't know what they are looking for ... they are kind of deceptive.

He won't serve over a week or two in jail for a "second? DUI", maybe a month. Your record is wiped clean every 5 years, and he was near that ... that will mitigate it somewhat, and he was not on probation anymore.

The DUI law were changd a few years ago to change "driving while intoxicated(DWI) to driving under the influence(DUI) to reflect changes in arrest that were being seen in the system.


That is his preliminary hearing; he probably doesn't even have to be there. Hs attorney can enter a plea for him. Too, he can petition the court to allow him to travel. Judges usually allow travel for work. He can travel anywhere in the US with no restrictions.

In most places, they can also charge you with possession of whatever drug you fail a blood or urine test for.  He shouldn't have been driving under the influence, but there's no point in playing into their hands and racking up the charges.

I explained this a few pages ago.? In California you can be charged with DUI (drugs) or DUI (alcohol).? If he passed a breathalyzer he is being charged with drugs.? While alcohol IS considered a drug in most states in the US and California they are still considered different crimes.?

Under the Influence (DUI) is just a broad term and is used when they don't know exactly what drug is was since he refused the blood and urine test.?

In most states if you refuse a test like this the penalty is much more harsh if convicted.?

Edit:

I checked the police report which someone posted on the 1st page of this thread and he is being charged with 23152.  (a) which is drugs because 23152.  (b) is driving over the legal limit of alcohol. 

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc23152.htm

actions like this clearly affect more than just the person primarily involved. we dont know the full story or facts, but thank god there were no injuries. i too am strongly against people driving when they are under the influence and this is just damn sad. Sad for scott, sad for VR, sad for the fans. We shall see.

I don't live in Ca, but after reading the law there it looks to me like Sec. (a) address' the qualitative actions of the offender; while Sec (b) address' the quanatative aspects of the offence. ie. (a) is the person under the influence of something, and (b) if it is alchohol, it has to be over .08 to qualify as a violation of the statue.

In most states, one can drive with less than .08 BAC and not be charged with DUI; generally if the BAC is over .02, but less than .08, and the offender is not a juvenile, the offense then becomes "wreckless driving".

MOST of you people here are crazy for saying that DUI is such a terrible "crime".  I'm not saying that it is good but....

1.4 million people were arrested for DUI in the United States in 2004

source:  http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSF2005/810616.pdf

Now, only a small percentage of people who drink & drive actually get arrested for it. 

People who get DUI are
Grandmothers , Grandfathers, everyday housemoms & fathers, teachers, even police officers and politicians. 
POINT  Everyday people get DUI, people just like YOU!   DUI is not a felony!

Velvet Revolver booked the 2 new years gigs after Scotts arrest, so what does that say to you?   VR is alive and well.  This may be a bump in the road, but not a big one.

Point aside, R&R is a dangerous lifestyle.

Do all those people you mentioned get arrested repeatedly or is it just Scott?

This isn't his first time.....




/jarmo

Apparently it's people in general, but I think everyone's a little "worried" or "upset", because this isn't his first time like Jarmo said... So that's why everyone's making kind of a big deal out of it.

You wonder where rumors gets started...this from eNews 2.0

This is the last line of the report... :rofl:


Weiland was set on fire by his wife, literally after a domestic fight that ended with his clothes turned into ashes and his wife released on a $50,000 bond.

http://www.enews20.com/news_Velvet_Revolvers_Singer_Weiland_Arrested_For_DUI_04186.html

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!

What is WRONG with her?

They truly are good for eachother, apparently...

I wonder if she's the one messing his head up...

Who gives a shit what the broad spectrum of people who get arrested for DUI is?  What in the fuck does that matter?

It is never o.k. to put innocent people at risk for injury or death because you're too selfish, too lazy or just too fucking stupid to not drive under the influence.

R&R may be "dangerous lifestyle", but drinking under the influence is a CRIMINAL act.  No one gets a pass for it and it is never o.k.

Ali

Part A is the charge which would differentiate if it was drugs or alcohol.  B is added as "per se" if the person charged has a BAC of above .08.  He is charged with A only with no BAC, hence why I keep saying it's drugs not booze.  Driving with a BAC of under .08 is a lesser charge I believe but still different than driving on drugs.  I guess it's a bit complicated, I had this happen to someone close to me recently (and he is a moron too for doing it) which is why I know so much about it.

DUI (drugs only) in California can be prosecuted as entirely circumstantial cases and even if he was high on legal cold meds he still could be convicted.

http://www.californiaduihelp.com/dui_drugs/california_dui_drug_case.asp
In DUI cases involving alcohol, California?s implied consent law authorizes a choice between blood or breath tests; in a case where driving under the influence of drugs is suspected, the arrestee?s choice is between a blood or urine test. Urine testing is so unreliable that it is not an option in a drunk driving investigation, but is an acceptable test for drugs.

At the end of the day though, does it really matter?  He was stupid enough to get behind the wheel like this and that is just a damn shame.

I don't even know what to say to that :rofl:

Is this true?????????? :rofl:

Ya know what they say, Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned! ;D

Isn't that old news though?

Let's just say that they embellished a bit...she burned his clothes in a trash can, she never set him on fire.  Just pointing out how some of the press is getting a little carried away.  And yes it happened a while ago.

Maybe they should put out a more detailed press release on the DUI.

Your first question is plain stupidity. ?It does "fucking" matter what people get ?get a DUI. ?It proved a point that you OBVIOUSLY dont understand.

your second comment, I dont recall saying it was "OK" to drink and drive

3rd comment, where do I say it wasnt a criminal act?

Why dont you do yourself a favor and think before you speak? ?

In a sense, I agree with you. Most of the arguments surrounding DUI are "red herrings" that the public has swallowed hook, line, and sinker. It should be about fairness and similar actions.

I saw a study 20+ years ago that showed that moderate drinking impairs one abilities about as much as having the flu, and I wonder how many people, who think it is such a horrible crime, have got behind the wheel after not sleeping enough, or driving while tired. Those impair ones ability significantly. Another controlled experiment conducted by a news organization years ago, showed that the ones that were drinking actually had faster reaction times than those that were tired. I think the DUI laws are out of control due to that vocal minority ... the "Mad Mothers".

They're also the worst drivers on the road! :hihi:

No, it isn't at all relevant to the point at hand, which is Scott Weiland getting arrested for DUI.

Why did you bring up the "dangerous lifestyle" thing? ?There is nothing dangerous in the fun, exciting sense of the word about an act that has killed and will continue to kill thousands of people each year.

I never said you said it wasn't a criminal act. ?Perhaps you should learn how to read and think before sitting down and typing?

It is stupid to bring up the "dangerous lifestyle" of rock and roll angle when that had nothing to do with it. ?It was a criminal act, not an act that is a part of the rock and roll lifestyle.

Since you like statistics so much, here are a few for you:

There were 16,885 alcohol-related fatalities in 2005 ? 39 percent of the total traffic fatalities for the year.

The 16,885 fatalities in alcohol-related crashes during 2005 represent an average
of one alcohol-related fatality every 31 minutes.

An estimated 254,000 persons were injured in crashes where police reported that alcohol was present ? an average of one person injured approximately every 2 minutes.
........................

That is why it is such a terrible crime, not "crime". ?Deaths as a result of driving under the influence happen every half hour. ?Obviously, not everyone who drives under the influence gets caught and not everyone who is arrested is guilty. ?But, Weiland failed a field sobriety test and refused to take blook or urine tests, which if he had nothing to hide, shouldn't have been a problem. ?Think about those statistics a little before you try to dismiss the seriousness of driving under the influence.

Ali

I don't understand how all these famous people are always getting DUI's.  I mean if I was famous I don't think I'd drive myself anywhere.  Hire a driver, then you don't have to worry about getting caught.  I know they just wanna live a normal life, but I'd hire a driver to haul my drunk ass around if I could afford it, lord knows that.

oh here we go again '
with the dumb shit '
figures '

i work with a guy who has 3

he should be proud.    :P

Some never learn?





/jarmo

Hell, I've had two. They were both 20 years ago, and I would never drive drunk today, but when ?was in school, ?I used to drive drunk every night ... a lot of times after knocking off a liter or more of liquor. I have also had a few accidents, but never when I was drunk.

Prosecutor:   "Your honor, I would like to display Evidence 1A: The album titled Contraband, a song called Superhuman, lyrics and vocals by Scott Weiland..."  (inserts CD)

"...gETTin' Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh
CrASHin' caaaaaaaaaars
and mAKin' mistaaaaaakes..."

Your honor, I rest my case.

There's a guy I know, and he drinks CONSTANTLY... I don't even know how he gets this alcohol... he has no job or money, but drives drunk ALL the time, and seems to do it well, apparently...

R&R is awesome fucking music, being a reckless moron leads to a dangerous lifestyle. They are a completely different entity.

exactly. im a fan...but the people scoffing off what he did and actually Encouraging him on some forums...is just Lame.

and it might not be the end of VR, but the ship IS sinking and its a matter of time before it goes under. poor sales of libertad, slash looking to do a solo album, scott relapsing, scott showing interest in an STP reunion..poor attended shows..duff/slash showing interest in GNR

maybe theyll surprise me and come out of this strong, make a killer 3rd cd...but idk...2007 hasnt been the best year to VR

me personally, i dont mind. as long as duff/slash/scott keep going in another band and maybe hook up with a more RNR singer to make some hard rock

He recently signed a book deal to write his memoirs, I suppose this will be another chapter, lol. 

fuck, i want a wife like that! That would be so exciting! I'd be a fuckin' rush just waking up in the mornig?

Wonder why the police was contcated in the first place? Usually police have better things to do... He could've easily settled this on his own...

Does drug use register in a breathalyzer?? If it was drugs (as opposed to alcohol), then wouldn't the "breathalyzer test which the defense believes registers well within the legal limit" be a moot point and the refusal to take a blood or urine test be an admission of drug use (again, as opposed to alcohol)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breathalyzer



/jarmo

The bright side of this is we no longer have to BS about Slashs autobiography, :hihi:

If the laws in Cal. are anything like NY refusing to take a breath or blood test guarantees Scott at least one thing. Regardless of the out come of the case he'll be walking to work for the next 6 months..
The reason for the 40K bail is due to his past convictions and celeberty/financial situation.

Totally moot.  Them stating he wasn't liquored up is going to mean nothing since he isn't being charged with driving while drunk.

See the relavent part that I emphasized.

23152.  (a) It is unlawful for any person who is under the influence of any alcoholic beverage or drug, or under the combined influence of any alcoholic beverage and drug, to drive a vehicle.]/i]

(b) It is unlawful for any person who has 0.08 percent or more, by weight, of alcohol in his or her blood to drive a vehicle.


 I think you are misinterpreting the statue. Though, I could be wrong.
 Do you have a background in Law?

So was he arrested for being under the influence of any alcoholic beverage or drug? Or for "being under the influence of a drug?".  Because even if he passed the breathalizer, police can still choose to not release the person.

I'm not sure if you are addressing this reply to me but the point I was trying (obviously unsuccessfully) to make was that a breathalyzer would NOT register drugs in a person's system and the refusal to take a blood/urine test is usually considered in court as an admission of guilt for being under the influence of drugs.  So the statement by his own publicist could probably be used against him.

As for my "background in Law" ... I have been a participant in the Legal System ... just not in the way I believe you're referring to.  :P

^ No, it was to Bandita. A page or two back, we were trying to interpret the statue. I think part a) is qualitataive, and part b) is quanitative. I think that the point she is trying to make, is that part a) is quantitative.

Actually the information I gave was from some legal websites involving getting charged with DUI (drugs) in California not my own personal interpretation.

Also, it is common knowledge that when they state he is being charged with DUI (driving while under the influence of an unspecified DRUG) that it isn't alcohol or it would have been specified as such and would have registered on the breathalyzer which is why they were asking him to take a blood/urine test.? This is what makes his statement to the press moot.

If he was being charged with an alcohol crime he would have been charged with both parts A and B, that is how a DUI pertaining to alcohol is charged.

See the site below for further explanation.


http://www.duicentral.com/dui/drugs.html
Driving under the influence of drugs (DUI drugs, DUID or drugged driving), or the combined influence of alcohol and drugs, is a criminal offense in California, punishable in most cases in the same way as driving under the influence of alcohol. The relevant statute for driving under the influence of drugs is Vehicle Code section 23152a:
It is unlawful for any person who is under the influence of any alcoholic beverage or drug, or under the combined influence of any alcoholic beverage and drug, to drive a vehicle.

There are a number of other differences between the two offenses. For example, while the most common chemical test given in most drunk driving arrests is a breath test, the chemical test given a person suspected of driving under the influence of drugs will be a blood test, although occasionally a urine test will be used; the breath test cannot detect the presence of drugs.

 :peace:

^Thanks, I'll look at more tomorrow when I have more time.

A sidenote: Kiefer Sutherland was sentenced to 48 days in jail in connection with his September arrest for driving under the influence (30 days for a DUI-related charge, 18 days for probation violation). He was also sentenced to five years' probation and ordered to enroll in an 18-month alcohol education class and attend weekly AA sessions for six months. And pay a fine....




/jarmo

No problem! ;)

Jarmo, Kiefer is a mess, I think that guy has been arrested more times than he can count.  He is famous for getting wasted in public and removing his pants. :hihi:

With new tourdates being added and Aussie dates rescheduled, it seems as the VR camp/promotors are confident Weiland won't be doing any jail time in the near future.

All speculation on my part of course...

Here are his arrests:

Kiefer plead guilty in 1989 and 1993 to reckless driving charges, and in 2004 to driving with a blood alcohol level above .08 -- the legal limit in California. It's the 2004 case for which Sutherland is currently on probation.

What is interesting is that Weilands bail was $40,000 while Kiefers for his last offense was $25,000. :-\

ol scotty boy should join forces with steven adler.   they would do well together.  :hihi:

I was thinking about Scott's last DUI; he probably received a suspended sentence for his jail time, or at least a good portion of it. Typically, where I'm at, one receives 30 days suspended for 5 years for a first offence. 180 days for a second offence with 173 of those days suspended.

Depending on his disposition, he could be looking at some time in jail. Of course, it has been nearly 5 years, so that will mitigate the severity somewhat.

Anyone want to try and find out how the case was disposed?

 :beer: :beer: :beer:

If found this on the PREVIOUS ARREST...

Thu. July 08. 2004 5:35 PM EDT

Nearly eight months after his arrest for driving under the influence of drugs, Scott Weiland was sentenced Thursday in a Los Angeles court to three years' probation, during which he'll be treated for his drug problem.

Weiland had pleaded no contest to the misdemeanor charge earlier this week, which stemmed from his arrest on his 36th birthday, October 27th (see "Scott Weiland Involved In Car Crash; Arrested For DUI"). The Velvet Revolver singer's BMW struck a parked van, and as part of his sentencing, he was ordered to pay restitution to the owner of the parked vehicle, in addition to a $390 fine.

Under the terms of Weiland's latest probation, he'll be required to enroll in a six-month drug-treatment program and attend three Narcotics Anonymous meetings per week for the next three years. Weiland will also be required to submit to regular drug testing, as well as periodic drug testing at the discretion of the police (with or without probable cause), according to the city attorney's office. During this probation, Weiland is prohibited from being in the possession of, or under the influence of, both alcohol and drugs.

A week before this most recent arrest, Weiland had been congratulated for staying clean by a judge overseeing his probation from two felony charges of possession of heroin and cocaine. Upon hearing of the DUI arrest, that judge determined the latest charge was a violation of Weiland's probation and revoked the singer's freedom, ordering him into detox (see "Scott Weiland To Enter Rehab Immediately, By Order Of Judge"). The lockdown aspect of his rehab was later amended, and he will have completed the terms of his sober-living program under that probation by the end of this month, at which point he was scheduled to have six more months of after-care counseling and testing.

There's no word yet if Weiland's new probation will affect his current one, but the city attorney's office anticipates that they'll run concurrently. That matter will likely be decided at the singer's next probation status report hearing, scheduled for July 30.

Come on now. I think Scott is doing a little better than that.  At least he can complete a tour.  Steven could fuck up a steel ball.

I've never understood how these people with lots of money even bother to drive themselves around when they want to get high or otherwise. Take a limo you cheap fucking dumbasses like Axl fucking does. Not that hard to do is it? Or perhaps they can't afford a limo because of all the money they've wasted on drugs??

Weiland Returns to the Scene of the Crime?

Two days after TMZ uncovered his arrest for DUI last month, Scott Weiland went into hiding -- by hanging out at Hyde!

TMZ caught the Velvet Revolver frontman leaving the club last night, rambling some nonsense about his musical inspirations.

Scott, who denies he was under the influence when he crashed his car in November, will be in court on December 13.


Video here: http://www.tmz.com/2007/12/06/weiland-returns-to-the-scene-of-the-crime/

While I hardly consider TMZ a legitimate "news" source, I would think the guy would lay low after the arrest.

Ali

Actually TMZ is very accurate. It's the only source i believe 100% of the time. The guy who runs it is a lawyer. So im pretty sure they wouldn't lie. And considering TMZ is used in many high profile cases..I believe them. Go to tmz there is a picture of scott outside of Hyde.

I'm not saying they would lie, but if you look at their content, and I have, it is mostly celebrity gossip.  A lot of pictures of celebrities and then user posts making fun of someone's appearance.  They run sensationalized stories without interviewing the subjects they are running stories about or presenting a truly balanced story.  Hence, I don't consider them a "news" source.

I consider them a Celebrity Gossip site and not a traditional or legit Entertainment Industry news source like Entertainment Weekly or The Hollywood Reporter.

Ali

Well in this case all they are saying is that Weiland was at Hyde last night, not must to dispute...they have the video.

Certainly, but they are also saying that he was rambling nonsense leaving a club after a DUI arrest a few weeks ago.  What kind of picture does that paint?  To me, that he may have been drunk or high again.  It at least raises a question that TMZ cannot answer.

Ali

Did you ever see the interview with Scott done at Live 8?

Ancient Greeks...

Besides, most of the VR songs are him rambling nonsense.  ;)




/jarmo

Thanks dude, I tried to get his disposition, but one has to apply in person, or by US Post. Since I live across the country, I didn't think it was worth the trouble.

I did find out though that Ca. keeps it on record for 7 years, not 5, so there will be no mitigating factors involved in his sentencing. Too, Ca. has a "per se" clause on the books. That could be why he decided against the test.

He has been through this before, so he know the ins and outs of the system. Refusing the test is the best option if one is going to mount a vigorous defense of the charges. Ca. has a "presumptive" clause also, so the penalties are enhanced if found guilty.

I found this on Lawrence Taylor's (http://www.duicentral.com/) web site:

One difference between driving under the influence of alcohol and DUI drugs is that in the former case a second criminal offense is charged: the so-called "per se" offense of driving while having a blood-alcohol concentration of .08% or higher (Vehicle Code section 23152b). Where the offense is driving under the influence of drugs, however, the "per se" offense cannot be charged since there is no blood-alcohol level, or because it is lower than .08%. This also means that the suspect's driver's license cannot be administratively suspended by the DMV for driving under the influence of drugs, since this is only done where the blood-alcohol level is .08% or where the driver refused chemical testing. However, the license can be suspended as part of a criminal sentence.

for someone that seems to hate vr and always tries to belittle the members of that band, it seems strange that you would attend their shows. i like the pic, btw http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/boardgallery/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pos=6

No, I didn't. ?I'd like to, though.

Point is, TMZ isn't just saying he was at Hyde, end of story. ?They added something to it, deliberately I think, to raise the question of whether or not he was wasted again.

And, I won't pretend that I can make complete sense of all the stuff Scott says in the songs :)

Ali

Did anybody actually watch the fucking video?  How is he rambling nonsense? It made sense to me and he doesn't even seem fucked up.

I thought that was a tiny bit weird myself. ^.^; but maybe he doesn't like them much anymore since then?

Is Steve Adler still on drugs or something? I thought he sobered up..

Yeah, I saw them live. Went to see what the fuss is about.   :hihi:


I like going to concerts. Especially when it's coupled with travel, seeing new places and meeting friends.  :)





/jarmo

Well I guess if anything it answers the question if he went into rehab or not.

You lucky bastard, you. :)

Scott seemed very fine and aware in that TMZ clip anyway.    : ok:  Sounds good to me!

How about we leave the guy alone and try to not be so judgemental...   :yes:


He's only human, just like the rest of us.

Speak for yourself, mate!


But I agree. Innocent until proven guilty, and all that...

His rep has said "He is anxious to get to court on December 13 and clear this matter up."

Does anyone know what type of appearance this is in court on the 13th?

It is an arraignment. It is just a formal reading of the charge, then comes the preliminary, then ...

I don't think he will be able to "clear" anything up on that court date besides entering a plea which I assume will be not guilty.

Revolver Oz tour

Updated: 10:47, Sunday December 9, 2007

Velvet Revolver are promising fans they will tour Australia in february after they suddenly postponed this week's concert.

The bands frontman Scott Weiland was busted for DUI, however the singer's manager says he will contest the charge in a Los Angeles court.

Band member Duff Mckagan says the tour was also cancelled because two members have fallen ill, 'exhaustion has a lot to do with it'.

'That is the first time I have ever had to postpone a tour in my whole career so I'm really glad we have been able to get these new gigs organised,' says McKagan.

Velvet Revolver's Australian promoter has not yet confirmed the rescheduled dates for the bands concerts.

He seems absolutely fine in the video.

I like this board for the news it gives me 'round VR and GnR, but all this mumbling over this video (that by the way shows a sober looking guy just politely answering some questions) and other stuff is just the same needles and pointles negative speculation thats been going on forever here.... :-\

It will be 6 months, or better, before the case is argued. At his arraignment, his attorney will probably just enter a plea, and move the case to the jury docket(best to let the Prosecutor know your not fucking around).

^^Looks like he plead No Contest to his last DUI in which the circumstances seem similar (although it looks like he took the tests that time).  Would that make a difference?

Yes it would. California has a "presumptive" clause on the books. His refusal of a chem test can be used as evidence that he was conscience of his guilt.

Prosecutor to Scott Weiland: You Were Hopped Up!

Posted Dec 12th 2007 4:54PM by TMZ Staff

Scott Weiland has been charged with driving under the influence of drugs with a prior conviction, and with an allegation that he refused a chemical test as required by law.

In a statement from Los Angeles City Attorney spokesperson Frank Mateljan, Scott faces "maximum penalty of one year county jail and a $1000 fine, and a minimum penalty eight days in jail (because of the prior conviction and the refusal to take a drug test). His car could also be impounded for up to 30 days. "

He will be arraigned tomorrow in a Los Angeles County court.

On November 21, the Stone Temple Pilots and Velvet Revolver singer was arrested, when he crashed his car while driving on an L.A. highway.


http://www.tmz.com/2007/12/12/scott-weiland-charged-with-driving-on-drugs/

He is going to serve some time for sure.  Probably not much, but some.

hopefully.  maybe next time he gets fucked up and wants to drive, he will think twice.

A rep for Velvet Revolver tells TMZ that the band's show tonight at L.A.'s Gibson Amphitheater is still going on as scheduled.

Where does a prosecutor ever say he was "hopped up"?  TMZ's phony headlines are so fucking stupid.

According to TMZ.com, VELVET REVOLVER frontman Scott Weiland has been charged with driving under the influence of drugs with a prior conviction, and with an allegation that he refused a chemical test as required by law.

In a statement from Los Angeles City Attorney spokesperson Frank Mateljan, Scott faces "maximum penalty of one year county jail and a $1000 fine, and a minimum penalty eight days in jail (because of the prior conviction and the refusal to take a drug test). His car could also be impounded for up to 30 days. "

He will be arraigned tomorrow in a Los Angeles County court.

On November 21, the former STONE TEMPLE PILOTS singer was arrested, when he crashed his car while driving on an L.A. highway.

A rep for VELVET REVOLVER tells TMZ.com that the band's show tonight at L.A.'s Gibson Amphitheater is still going on as scheduled.

blabbermouth story...i guess hes going away from 8 days- a year

"Scott is looking forward to having this matter cleared up in court tomorrow," his publicist Mitch Schneider said Wednesday. :-\

One would think that by now he would know the court system a little better than to think he can just "clear it up" after refusing the drug tests. :no:

Money and good lawyers should help him!  ;)

this is pure speculation and only opinions of course.. if it's deleted i'm ok with it :hihi:

so.. i think that if he gets a year in prison that VR is over or at least take a longer break (duh? :P) (not that i think he'll get a year).. if he gets 8 days, VR will stay alive for a while longer.. question is how long time do you think the rest of VR is "accepting", where is the limit, (really hard to explain how i mean but i hope you get it..) 5 months, 7months? more/less?

The courts rarely impose the max, and never to celebrities. I thought before he might receive 60 days maximum, but after seeing the DA's press release, he won't get over 2 weeks ... maybe less.

Weiland to Fans -- I'm No Choir Boy, So What?

Posted Dec 13th 2007 4:44PM by TMZ Staff

Scott Weiland and Velvet Revolver rocked out in Hollywood last night, and the frontman made a point to remind the crowd that aging rockers are no role models. Uh, Keith Richards?

Weiland, who was recently charged with driving under the influence of drugs, went on an on-stage rant about not believing everything you hear, and reminding everyone that VR is not the "Mormon Tabernacle F**king Choir." Ya think?

A source backstage at the show tells TMZ, "Scott looked out of it ... he kept away from the rest of the band and didn't take any pictures."

Weiland was set to face a judge this morning in criminal court for his most recent DUI bust, but the case was continued until January 17.

Video of rant here: http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1342094274

that to me is scott saying "we're the real deal, we drink and drive, we're cool"

of course i don't like the guy's personality so i'm a bit biased..

he's a role model for kids, wether he wants it or not

If he really said that, he should keep it in mind next time his band is denied visas to Japan instead of pointing to the "increasingly tough Japanese immigration officials".





/jarmo

maybe they really are the most dangerous band in the world  :hihi:

Yeah, and unfortunately it's to people on the highways and other innocent bystanders.....




/jarmo

Last night was probably the worst ive ever heard scott sound. Plus the fact that he was mubling between songs and making rants was kinda annoying.

At least they played american man

So the arraignment was continued until January 17th?  I wonder why?

Kind of agree with that. 

I doubt his arraignment was continued, that is probably the date for a preliminary hearing conference.

LOL!  :hihi: This is hilarious!

Weiland was set to face a judge this morning in criminal court for his most recent DUI bust, but the case was continued until January 17.

That sounds like it didn't happen.

And if they did have the arraignment...you would think that they would be reporting on how he plead?

Jizzo, how was American Man?

Weiland is such a tool.

"He, who is without sin, shall cast the first stone."

it means in plain english, that the case was pushed back until 1/17...its a very common legal occurence....

I understand that.  My questions was I wonder why?

it happens all the time. The los angeles area court systems and jails are over booked and over crowded

It is my understanding that a continuance is requested by the defendant or the attorney.

A continuance of a court a court case will only be for good cause shown and with the approval of the court.  If the case is pre-assigned the request must be made to the judge to whom the case is assigned.  If the case has not been pre-assigned the request must be made to the one of the designated criminal continuance judges.

If a continuance is granted, consul must submit by the end of the next business day, to the judge who issued the continuance, an order stating the specific reason for the continuance and the new trial date, which shall be possible, be within 120 days of defendant's arrest.

And before we get into too much of the legal...this has happened before:

These are old cases...

2003
Scott Weiland was due in a Burbank, California, court to face drug charges Friday (July 11), but the case was continued until July 18 because the Stone Temple Pilots/Velvet Revolver singer is still in rehab in Florida, according to a court clerk. ...

2004
VELVET REVOLVER frontman Scott Weiland was due in court Wednesday (Feb. 18) to address charges of driving under the influence of drugs, but the singer had his representative ask for a continuance, which was granted, since he just changed lawyers, according to MTV.com. Weiland is now due in court on Monday (Feb. 23), when paperwork for the change of counsel will have to be submitted.

Seems like he has no respect for the law by what he said in that rant. Does he think it's ok to drive while under the influence?

ive never driven drunk...so does that mean I can bash away??!! :hihi: :rofl:

all of this and pete doherty is still free :/ damn it

Didn't that freak give crack to his cat?


Could have been any number of reasons why the case was continued.

damn you're right, scott won't get anything :no:

No, nothing would happen if Scott had been arrested in the UK.  Which is the only reason Pete Doherty isn't sitting in jail right now.

the best thing he could do for hisself at this point is check himself into rehab..

Yeah, but Jack Bauer rocks!!!!

To anyone who thinks that making these little "mistakes" is only human etc... how would you feel if Scott was driving with Slash and Slash was killed? How would you feel about that?  :o

I'm a huge Hanoi Rocks fan and their drummer Razzle was killed in a car accident back in the 80's... (If you want to find out more I'm sure you can Google it, there was another well known artist involved in the accident but I don't think we need to discuss it here.)

That's the reason I will not tolerate this kind of sh*t from anyone. And if their attitude is like Scott's... I mean.. How do his band members put up with him?!? :o You'd think they'd be kicking him out of the band as we speak, judging by what they have said about a certain other "former friend" as well...  :P

JMO, please don't shoot me.  ::)

it doesnt matter though for such stars. As the one that killed razzle paid his way out nice and easy.

He was only in 30 days.

Then again, as much as it sucks razzle and hanoi ended.

It would suck ass if crue hadnt put anymore music out either.

scott is a junkie. He's probably on methadone. He can be a junkie and fuck himself all he wants, but when you go out and risk other peoples lives by driving fucked up, thats crossing the line. And this def isnt the first time he's done it. I got a DUI, which was a major mistake, and since then I dont even drive if ive had even one drink. He seems like a selfish fuck.

Just curious, are you one of those people who think that methadone maintenance clinics should be closed, or was that some kind of derogative statement born of ignorance?

But are you allowed to drive when you're on methadone?? ???

*edit*

I guess you are, so we can rule that one out (that he woulda failed the sobriety test because of methadone, which I at first thought would be possible):

http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/methadone/index.html

"Methadone does not impair cognitive functions. It has no adverse effects on mental capability, intelligence, or employability. It is not sedating or intoxicating, nor does it interfere with ordinary activities such as driving a car or operating machinery. "

I heard it last night (listened to their show via Sirius) and it sounds grand live!? I thought it was ok on the album, but live just gives it a whole new dimension...

what is "a tool" and why is everyone on this board so insulting?? Lots of negative vibes comin out of here - how unfortunate.

Happy New Year

Tool:  One who is useless AND idiotic in all aspects at any given time.
(example:  Someone driving while "under the influence")

Wow that last part is completely incorrect. Eventually one can build up a tolerance to methadone, and at that point it may not be sedating and intoxicating, but Methadone is definately a powerful narcotic, a sedative, an opiate. It is a legal form of heroin basically. This is coming from someone with a lot of personal "experience"

No, Im not saying they should be closed, although they are a form a legal heroin and its a pretty ridiculous unregulated industry, and a horrible route to take for someone who needs treatment. Basically I was making the point that this guy is probably on methadone, so whatever else he takes, esp alcohol, would affect his ability to drive even more. And no, my opinions arent born of ignorance, I have a lot of experience with methadone, and actually a friends girlfriend died of a methadone overdose.

You just proved your ignorance. Methadone Maintenance is one of the most heavily regulated institutions in the country. It's rigidity is comparable to a Parole Office.

and "legal heroin", what the hell does that mean. Heroin is an organic compound; methadone is synthetic. I am assuming your argument is that all prescribed opiates are "legal heroin".


Once again, your ignorance of methadone maintenance is apparent. Maintenance clinics have given many the ability to return to a productive life.


I have a suspicion that that is the extent of your experience. The vast majority of fatalities associated with methadone are the result of Dolophine overdose that has been diverted from the original holder of the prescription. Dolophine is prescribed by healthcare providers for pain relief, not methadone clinics.


Once ones dose is stabilized, there are no side effects. Usually takes about a month for it to happen.

Will Scott be in prison in March? I want to go to a Velvet Show and I don't know if they're playing because of Scott...

We'll know in about two weeks...

Hey guys, what ever happend to innocent 'till proven guilty?
Do you think none of the current members of GN'R have ever driven under the influence of alcohol??? I hope not, but I think it's unlikely.

What about you? Nope, I haven't 'cause I stopped drinking before I could afford a car but I know a lot of my friends have at one time or another. And hey, it's not because you're not drunk that you aren't under the influence of alcohol.

Not saying that DUI is responsible in any way. If you do so, you should be punished. But it's not because you don't get caught that you're innocent.

if they thought for one second scott would be arrested then they wouldnt announce shows in a different country as he wouldnt get a visa...use ur brains

Unfortunately Scott has a history of these type of offenses/issues and will
always be deemed "guilty" until proven innocent in the court of public opinion.

Is it fair? 

Probably not.

Is it a realistic assumption based on prior actions?

Absolutely.

first of all, how is this for "unregulated". Several years ago when I decided to go on methadone maint. I found a clinic here in Arizona. ALL I had to do was show up for intake at 4AM with $70 and someone who could "verify" I had a one year opiate addiction. All they did is ask my friend if this was true and he said yes. I could have brought in a transient off the street, and still would have been dosed that day. Second, the nurses who dose you each day will bump your dose 10mg per day based on your word that the dose was not strong enough. Because of this, someone who needs 30-40mg, can easily get over 100mg in about a week and be nodding out all over the place fucked up. As rigid as a parole office? Get real. By legal heroin, which was the wrong term to use, I meant people who are tired of copping heroin, they can get high legally by getting on methadone. Once you develop a tolerance, you just tell them to bump up your dose. They always did for me. As far as returning to a normal life, that may be true to an extent, but its taking the easy way out, IMO. BTW the "extent" of my experience with methadone? I was on it for several years, detoxed cold turkey, eventually got on it for another 2 years, detoxed with suboxone, and have been clean now for about 2 years. All of my 5 or 6 friends who descended into heroin addiction are now on methadone or dead. One gave his girlfriend some of his dose and she died. Anyways, Im rambling, but all my opinions are based upon my own experience. I think methadone maint is terrible for the most part

^ These things never cease to amaze me.? :-\

I can't even get the doctors (well, some of them) to renew my prescription for benzos, I wonder what they'd be like if it was about something more serious.

I guess it kinda depends on where you live too...

*edit*

I guess the nurses there don't have much choice. And as long as no-one has the money or the resources to build a better clinic, people will keep going there for a methadone "fix". (If it really does fuck you up.) I don't really know what to think about it, except that they should stop building those goddamn sports stadiums and put the money somewhere where it's NEEDED instead.? >:(

This isn't the place for this discussion. Look for my response in the Jungle.

So Scott's court date is tomorrow....

Weiland is expected to appear in a Los Angeles courtroom on Thursday (January 17th), where his recent DUI case will be continued. The singer was charged with driving under the influence of drugs after being pulled over by police in late November.

Will be interesting to see what happens!!  If he goes to jail, my ticket better be refunded!   :hihi:

So has there been any news on what happend with Scott Woefuls court appearance?

I wanna know if he needs his soap on a rope or whether he is fine to continue with their scheduled tour dates?

It is nothing more than the continuation of the preliminary. He probably won't even be present. This thing won't get resolved until the summer the earliest.

Hey, thanks!  And just how do YOU know so much about it?  Been there, done that, huh?   ;)

I know that system inside an out ...

So what happened with Scott in court?? :peace:

The Dubai show is March 8th...this from E! News:

Weiland's rehab stint comes after the 40-year-old was arrested in November for driving under the influence of drugs after running his Mercedes into another vehicle on a Los Angeles freeway. If convicted in that case, Weiland could face between eight days and a year in county jail and a $1,000 fine. The next hearing in that case is set for Mar. 3.

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=9f0fbde5-1db9-4aa4-97c1-2a48ca3f1d42&entry=index

In the past it looks like Scott used Proposition 36 to avoid jail time.  But now I don't think that will work, they have since changed the law.

This from his Rolling Stone July 2003 interview:

Scott, what's in store for you when you go to court July 11th?

Weiland: California has this thing called Proposition 36, and thank God for it! It says that people who are drug users and have been arrested for the possession of drugs -- whether they're innocent or proven guilty, which is yet to be seen -- have that opportunity to have some form of treatment.

So you're just facing another stint in rehab, not jail?

Weiland: I really can't speak about that at all.


May 28, 2004

Court: Drug DUIs must bring jail time

SAN FRANCISCO - In a decision that could have a substantial impact on California's Proposition 36, the state Supreme Court ruled Thursday that people convicted of driving under the influence of drugs must go to jail and not into treatment programs.

Citing the danger to the public from drugged drivers, among other reasons, the justices unanimously interpreted the initiative - which prescribes treatment and forbids incarceration for first-and second-time nonviolent offenses "related to the use of drugs" - to exclude DUI.

http://dwb.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/9453503p-10377525c.html

I'm a fan of Scott's, but I actually think he needs to do some jail time for his own good.   He's had more than enough opportunities and at some point you have to lay down the law.  He can get whatever he needs straightened out in jail, instead of some posh rehab where he will just get out to possibly fuck up agian, with worse consequenses.   I'm glad he checked into rehab instead of just trying to fight the system, but now I don't see how he can plead not guilty now. 

I'm saying this because the same thing happened to that actor Brad Renfro who died about a month ago.  More or less the same thing, he had drug problems, got arrested a few times, finally got caught buying heroin... and instead of putting him in jail, he just had to do rehab.   He got out and relapsed, and he overdosed and died because of it.   These ppl need to ask themselves if it is worth going to JAIL for, not is it worth going to rehab for.

Scott has done jail time by the way

There are no treatment options in jail


That is a red herring. One has nothing to do with the other.

Actually, you're very wrong about that.  Many jails have theraputic community sections designed to help addicts. Drug and alcohol counselors are available, group sessions and many many more options.  It's all in whether Scott chooses to pursue and benefit from it.

I should have "said" limited options ... at least in the US.

I can give examples of people dying horrible, excruciating, deaths from detoxification while incarcerated; That ain't treatment, but that is what they got.

That's an interesting point.

I'm sure having completed rehab before his next court date will not hurt his case. ;)

That, and most doctors would fight "tooth and nail" before they violate patient privileges. It would never be admissible.

But would they need the doctor to bring it in?  What is the admissibility of a press release...or is that heresay? :D

Yes, if he is pleading not guilty.

But if he pleads guilty or no contest wouldn't he use it to his advantage?

Of course he could, but that would be left to the sentencing part of the trial if a no contest; if guilty, I doubt it would matter. As the courts have guide lines they must follow ... I think.

Scott Weiland Out of Rehab

Posted Mar 3rd 2008 1:35PM by TMZ Staff

TMZ was in an L.A. County Courthouse this morning as Scott Weiland's attorney told us the troubled rocker has just finished a stint in rehab.

Weiland's attorney, Tony Brooklier, says the former STP-er has completed 28 days in a treatment facility and is "doing well."

Weiland was arrested last November and booked for driving under the influence of a drug.

His next court date is Wednesday the 5th.

http://www.tmz.com/2008/03/03/scott-weiland-out-of-rehab/

Expect a press release soon with direct statements by Scott saying " I am a new man now, I learned, I am clean, will never touch it again because now I do KungFu ShwenShu on a mountain in Tibet  blablabla" like he did a dozen times before ....

Rocker Scott Weiland pleads innocent in drug case

Wed Mar 5, 2008 6:04pm EST

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - U.S. rocker Scott Weiland pleaded innocent on Wednesday to driving under the influence of drugs, a charge stemming from his November arrest on a Los Angeles freeway onramp.

The 40-year-old singer for the band Velvet Revolver was not in court but entered his plea to the misdemeanor charge through a defense attorney.

Weiland is free on $40,000 bail and was due back in court for a pretrial hearing on April 4.

If convicted he faces up to one year in jail because he has a prior conviction for driving under the influence, a spokesman for the Los Angeles City Attorney's Office said.

Weiland, who first gained fame as lead singer for Stone Temple Pilots, was stopped by police on November 21 while driving onto the Hollywood Freeway. He was taken into custody after refusing to take a sobriety test.

http://ca.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idCAN0563339620080305