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I'm interested to see how long this little nugget lasts cause IMHO this is what it's all about

If that was the case, all record companies would be LONG dead.

And Axl does not pay out royalties to former members, I even doubt the record companies involvement within that.

It will be interesting to see who get final producer/musician credits, and whether or not anyone comes back to sue for what might be a small contribution in a song

the credits are going to be very looooooooooonnnnngggggggg

In all honesty, I really believe this is what its about.  I think there is something that pays the ex members when something with Guns N Roses on it is released, I think if that were the case how could GNR tour, but maybe thats all they can do. 

I think thats much more likely a cause of delay than paying out old members. Duff and Slash left the partnership and as far as any of us know have nothing to do with any of the songs on chinese democracy writing or playing wise. I think it's much more likely that Axl is having anyone currently in the band re-record any parts other people did so they can get paid for it instead of Buckethead or Navarro or whoever the hell else may be on there sans Brian May.

The delay is being caused by the record company. The ball is in their court now.

thanks for the info as always.  :beer:

Very good to know. Thanks :).

So is there going to be a end of this delay soon? or maybe will this delay help the CD as in how to premote it?? :peace:

I hope you're right.

It would mean the end is near  :peace:

Thank you for the info, Mysteron.

yea, great news.  i'm going to be walking around like ---> ;D all day now

Let's flood the fuckers with mail... just kidding ;)

Good news anyway.

remember when a forum member met bbf earlier in the month and he said that he told him it was the record company.....and everyone here said it had to be BS

looks like not so much..

Damn record companies !!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the info  : ok:

i remember that and sebastian bach said in a radio interview the samething that ron said

Since when? I know you cant answer everything, but we're dying already, lol.  :-\
Though, I think they're waiting for Xmas or something...

Are we talking artwork, packaging, etc., or simply the master of the cd?  Can't believe the thought of a fully mastered CD was just in my thoughts...wow

As I recall BBF said this to someone last year as well.  Or early in 2007, I can't really remember exactly when, just that it was quite a long time ago. 

I can see how it is an issue, so many have supposedly played for the recording of this album it is probably a nightmare trying to figure out who is supposed to get credit. 

It's all very frustrating though for the fans!  And I would imagine for the band too!

it has nothing to do with royalties to anyone , whether it be former members or guest players on the cd. before guest players even come in, all those arrangements are figured out beforehand. as for the former members, it is not an issue...i can think of a few reasons why it is not out, but royalties is definitely not one of them...

Baz said with His cd, he had to hand in/finish the album by august to get it out by christmas. alot had to do with packaging etc. according to the label. they might be waiting until the right time??

Well it's lawsuits.
the company.

I mean, why would axl be on someone else's record if his own wasn't done????

if it has to do with the record company as mysteron said, then his must be done.

But the record company holds ALOT of weight on what happens. it would make sense the "the timing couldnt be better" meaning, axl was done with CD, and just did baz for fun

well, Take it for it is.

There is a lot more then Lawsuits and company stuff holding this up, and it isn't axl this time.(as far I know now)
all will be cleared before the end of the year if things go along smooth.

Good news. Thanks Mysteron. : ok:

you can say that again...

how do you know things will be cleared before the end of the year?

As posted, things are in motion.
The company has CD.
A couple of things are holding back CD and more.
Once these things have cleared up its sure to say that it's a greenlight.

I wish I could get my hopes up when Mysteron says something. Maybe you could elaborate without saying too much?

thanks for that Mysteron. :beer:

do you know when CD was handed in?

:peace:

i think thats all hes giving us people - bit of a teaser that mysteron ::)

Maybe the company is split: some wants to promote Chinese Democracy as a HUGE album while some wants to promote it like just a normal high profile release?

I don't think this would be the case necessarily...the album has cost the recordcompany quite a lot of cash and I'm sure they'd want that back one way or another. Promoting it as a 'regular' record while that band hasn't released an official record in years, along with the fact that their last record sold millions of copies, plus the huge amount of people that attended GNR gigs between 2006 and 2007, and the big interest that people still seem to have for Axl (for example Back In The Saddle getting requested a lot) it would be stupid if they'd do some half-assed promoting campaign. My guess would be that they're working on artwork, booklets and an over the top promoting campaign or something and I'm sure there's a lot of legal stuff going on aswell.

Yeah waiting for Christmas... Christmas of what year?
 :P

All due respect, I'd like to know what we mean by its caused by the record company.  That can imply a number of things.  At its most extreme, Axl has agreed to all terms of the contract and is just waiting for the record company to get their shit together.  At the other extreme, the record company is waiting for Axl to be "reasonable".  Take that for what you will, but I'm sure the truth lies somewhere between.  I'm not familar with how record companies work and all, but Chinese Democracy would be the biggest release in a long time and something Geffen/Interscope/Universal/Whoever the record company is, would be pushing for release with appropriate promotion.  With it ready for release, I just hope that all parties involved can negotiate terms that are fair. 

does anyone think that possibly now that there is supposedly a three album trilogy concept that axl might want to extend his record deal, and the record company might not be willing to comply because just getting this 1st album has taken so long. So i dont know if this theory is insane but maybe the record company wants the three albums finished before they will extend GNR's new record deal

I don't beleive this for a second.(what is your source for this statement?) If the ball is in their court then that means the whole album has been turned over to them. Sorry, i don't beleive it. I say Axl is sitting on it waiting till he's damn good and ready,? maybe never. just cause recording is finished doesn't mean the record comany has it.

and your source would be?

If Mysteron says so, I believe it has been handed.

Merck wasn't fired due to a lack of respect, as Axl said.

I think, Marck was fired because he wanted to release the album and Axl didn't want to.

why you think so masterrecorder? sounds utterly baseless to me.

 
maybe mysteron didn't mean that. like slc said, ambiguity is so much more fun, I guess.  ;D

axl wants to release the album but i'm sure that there's something holding it back at this point

and you know this information-how exactly???

what information? i think it's self-explanatory that he wants the record out, he wouldn't do all this for nothing and himself, he has visions

self explanatory? its been 16 years since the last record..we all know what axl wants axl gets..if he wanted it out it would be out...case closed

I know that it sounds baseless, but what of our disussion is baseful? No discussion... we only know Axl from the concerts, the internet, we do not know his character, we just can speculate, and this is my thesis.

Maybe - now Axl want to release the album. But then, it was not the right time for him. If he wanted to release the album last year, why didn't he?

Because it wasn't ready. Have you not read his letter?

I have read the letter, but you must consider, that there was a blueprint by Merck before :confused:

Why doesn't it come out? Not ready yet? :o

the time isn't right

does anyone else think that it might be legal complications that are holding up the release?

i have a personal theory that it is royalty issues that are keeping it from being released. there have been so many different people that have collaborated on the album...who should get paid what when it finally comes out and its time to pay all of the musicians?

who gets the writing credits for all the thousands of guitar parts? who gets drum credits?

for example, according to what people have said, in some of the songs it sounds like drums will come from both brain and frank. that is, the final mix will include parts from both drummers. which means they both need to get royalties.

i bet that the royalty formula has gotten so chopped up, with so many different particicpants, that certain artists are refusing to allow it to go forward unless they get a bigger piece of the pie.

just my theory, sorry if its already been brought up.

Interesting theory.  But I don't think any band member could hold up the release due to the royalties.  For example, do you think Richard Fortus could prevent the release if Axl was ready to go with it?

But... you make a very interesting point.  Could be.

Well, the must be splitting the profits 30 or so ways.  :hihi:

I thought Axl just wanted to continue changing songs around or put some more stuff on the album or something crazy like that.