Here Today... Gone To Hell!

we all know Axl keeps track of everything with a fine toothed comb...And the fact Baz's record came in at 190 in week 1 is terrible....Lets be honest if VR or GNR came in at 190 (which would never happen) it would be over....during the hair metal days skid row was a top 20 band......Baz promoted the hell out of this record, dropped Axl's name everywhere to sell copies and it still came in at 190 which is also troubling because you would think Axl's name alone could have brought it up...Now this is a Baz record, not an Axl record...and its failure rests on Baz's shoulders....We all know if this record was top 20 it would make Axl more eager to drop CD...so now that it is a failure will it make Axl more reluctant to drop CD? Just a thought..we all know how one thing usually ties into another in the GNR? world.....and when i say failure i am comparing it to Baz's best selling records (slave to the grind for example)

No because Axl had nothing to do with the success of a Sebastian Bach CD>


That album has little promotion, no Video, no single and the general public don't really care about Sebastian.


Axl on the other hand and Chinese Democracy are on a whole nother level


that being said. CD has to have a kick ass first single and video or it probably won't sell very well either.

The industry is driven by that first or second single. Without it, CD's dont sell.

Failure?

I don't think Baz himself was expecting a Top 10 debut....

Compare how the big albums are promoted to Baz talking about his album on rock radio and you'll see the difference.


I don't think it's a coincidence you started this thread. Your past posts in threads mentioning the name Sebastian Bach says it all.




/jarmo

Success or not, after listening to Angel Down, it kicks ass.  THAT'S the success. Who cares how many cd he sells.

how many units were sold??

I don't think Baz was delusional to think he was going to have the #1 record or something like that and I don't think it will have much impact on what Axl is doing. ?I am sure he wants Baz to do well but he did what he did and appeared on the album as a friend. ?

I have to wonder though, Jay, does it make you feel good that it didn't debut well? ?You don't have much positive to say about it or him so I can only gather that your motivation for starting this thread is more about trying to gloat than any other reason that could be considered valid.


6400 I believe?

You know, the usual reaction when people hear Sebastian Bach's name is: "Who's that? What album? Never heard."
You can't really say the same thing about Axl and Chinese f*ing Democracy! ;D

So no, that doesn't have any impact on Axl and CD's future success. Don't worry. ::)? :P

(Oh, you were talking about whether it makes it harder for Axl to release the album... I think NOT. :) )

6400 units in it's debut week is a pretty big commercial failure by any standards, which is a little surprising considering that Axl's name was attached and it's all that Bach has been talking about for the past two months.

when i asked in different stores about the exact release date in germany - one female metal store worker asked back if he is still in skid row....

edit:
- Axl sticker on the jewel case here by the way
- CD release was "germanwide" last friday november 23rd 2007, not hard to find it in markets here....kinda cool at least

I wonder how olnline sales were. Being on a small label didn't help either.Many chains either didn't carry it, stocked a few and did not shelve it w/ new releases..

Definitely part of the problem that I had to dig through the rack to find it and they didn't even have a section for Bach's name, they just threw it somewhere in the B section behind some stuff. 

Isn't the record under EMI now?

it's still kinna early to tell.with the holidays going on an all.people will buy them as presents for people.after the holidays we may see more sales of angel down.and axl knows his cd will rock no matter hows bach's cd turns out.they are two intirely different people.

I think it's being distributed by EMI but he's on his own record label.

Absolutely not. ?The only way I may subscribe to that theory is if Axl himself was out there helping Sebastian to promote. ?And speaking of promotion, I'd hardly consider Baz's attempt a media blitz. ?He was on local radio stations across the country. ?That's a little different than going on National programs. ?Just for comparison sake, people claim lack of promotion on Libertad's slow sales, but the amount of promotion between the 2 isn't even close. ?As people have already stated, Angel Down was either hard to find or not in many stores. ?I don't think anyone expected a big debut, I'm kind of surprised it cracked the top 200.

i herd it wasn't really out till black friday.a holiday crazy shopping day.people should have been buying copies then.so who knows maybe some more time to see how it goes.

I think anyone who think sales will pick up is a complete optimist. It just doesn't happen, especially if the promotional campaign is over, theres no tour to speak of, no substantial first week sales or buzz regarding it at all.

With that said, the tracks that I heard were not impressive whatsoever so I have not purchased the album. Had it been good, I would have.

have they filmed a video yet?  what is the official first single?  I downloaded the cd on Itunes.  Does digital downloads count towards the 6500 and is the 6500 just the states or world wide?  I love just about every song on angel down and even think its better than Skid Row and I always like them as well. 

It won't impact CD at all in my opinion. Let's face it... the album is garbage overall. The only track that stands out is "back in the saddle"... which an Aerosmith song. Axl shines cuz he sounds great. Baz however sounds like horsesh*t. sorry to any Baz fans.

Baz is not a popular name... no where to Axl's iconic status in Pop Culture. Axl will sell a crapload of copies without even trying.

Didn't alot of places sell out of Angel Down within the first few days of it being released?


 :peace:

Allegedly, but when you only stock 1 or 2 copies, it's easy to sell out.

Regardless of whether Angel Down fails or succeeds, it's served its purpose in terms of re-introducing Axl to both music fans and hard rock radio.  Not only a cool favor to do for a friend, but also a solid PR strategy if and when CD is nearing release. 

 

I think the big sticker on the front of it that reads Guest Vocals by Axl Rose made a bit of a difference. Which sucks coz Baz is a great entertainer.
But I know alot of people that wouldn't have bought the record if Axl wasn't on it.


 :peace:

Well said, this is a great album.  You can't judge art on how much money it makes.

I believe the last Maiden  record went top ten in the States, which is a first for them.

I agree. While it'd be nice to see people appreciating metal in the numbers they used to, I don't care how much it sells so long as I like it.

Baz is not a popular name... no where to Axl's iconic status in Pop Culture. Axl will sell a crapload of copies without even trying.

He's popular with me!!! : ok:

Baz must have felt Axl's presence would have given the album a kick; it didn 't. 

As for CD, there are far bigger worries than the tepid sales of an Axl cameoed record and much more to lose.

As for CD, there are far bigger worries than the tepid sales of an Axl cameoed record and much more to lose.

Uhhh, like what?

6,400? Shit, that sucks. Is that more than K-Fed sold in his first week.

no way!

I don't really think we'll see an incredible top 10 for this album, but it's a number one for us GN'R fans because we get to hear Axl on a record of somewhat 'new' material for the first time in 16 years.  So, yeah I'd say for us it is great.  Proof to Axl that we still believe. 

I think it has no impact whatsoever. To be honest, I just bought the three songs that Axl was on. The other songs
didn't impress me at all. Besides Axl has much more popularity than Bach.

Who knows how big of a failure that Angel Down really is.  They obviously didn't ship many copies of it and people had trouble finding it in stores.  The sales figures are definitely poor but when people who want to buy your record can't even find it in a store what do you expect? 

Yeah I was kind of worried about finding the CD myself.  Luckily I found it tucked away under the B's at Best Buy.  But if I didn't know it was out I would've never seen it.  Not gonna get many impulse buys on this one.  I find it kind of strange that there was more of a buzz about this album a month ago when they started playing "Love Is A Bitchslap" and the word came out that Axl was on 3 songs.  Since the album came out I've barely heard it mentioned.

I think the show they did on VH1 Supergroup or whatever it was called showed a very unfavorable side of the guy.  I mean everytime he drinks he acts like a complete idiot.  So perhaps he created a buzz.  Unfortunately only through Pinot Noir Wine. I get wild when I drink, but he is just kind of a Tool an annoying asshole on that show.  It changed my opinion on him.  He does a lot of media whoring on d-list reality shows.  If it wasnt for VH1 he would be working at the record store that sells Angel Down.  Axl doesnt just come out for some stupid celebrity rap show.  I like in some of the promo videos for Angel Down half or even next to all questions pertain to CD and Axl.  I wonder how he acts around Axl.  Hes like Axl's Condi Rice.  If he had a tail it would wag really fast when he was around Axl. 

How about recovering a fan base which hasn't heard a studio album since TSI.....how about creating an album which transcends the periods through which it recorded.......shall I go on?

Can I ask a dumb question...I don't watch mtv anymore, because I hate pop and hip hop...

When rock videos are made today...where are they played? Mtv?

Also, noticed that The Cult's new c.d. didn't get much press either....how do rock bands get the word out these days?

I think this was a genuine case of Axl just doing it for a friend and doing it "out of love". I think he just went in there to support Baz, had some fun, put some vocals down... but obviously Axl will release that many people will listen to the album to "hear Axl singing again", and I suppose people might accept that maybe he is confident "getting his voice heard again", and hopefully, it will make Axl feel a bit more comfortable having already tested the waters when the time comes to unleash the new album/s..

Where did this number come from? ?My local independent store had Angel Down in the front of the store with all the new releases as of yesterday, a week after its debut. ?I find it hard to believe that it only sold 6400. ?

Vh1 classic  is a good place. mTv 2 not so great but decent. You definitely have to look beyond the front of the house, MTV and Vh1.

omg, I've watched headbangers ball 2 a couple times and that scared me to death!!!!  I had half my face covered with my covers I was so scared!

His record was BARELY promoted...enough said.

Don't forget that Soundscan only counts major chains and even then not all store locations and not all major outlets.  I'm not trying to make excuses for Bach's figures but it sounds like a lot of the people here bought it at their local independent record shop, and that those places don't count on Soundscan

Wonder how many copies they actually shipped too.  If they shipped around 15,000 copies or so it's not that bad of a number.  I can't imagine they shipped any more than that

Better than Skid Row?


Sorry Dude but thats insane.

I like Sebastian but he needs Snake and Bolan.

it doesnt really matter, its not like a greater percentage of people went to independent record stores to buy this album compared to others.

Did you listen to what Rachel and Bolan have been doing lately?

Maybe now, but back in the day Skid Row owned the stage. I saw them 3 times in the late 80s to early 90s, and with the exception of the GnR show, they blew the other bands away(sorry D, even Bon Jovi).

I can't see how Bach's album not selling well would have any effect on CD. If not for GnR fans, "Angel Down" wouldn't be selling nearly as well as it has. This was apparently a "spur of the moment" collaboration without much fore thought or planning; leaving just 3 months, give or take, for Axl's name to be associated with the project.

I think Baz is realistic about what he can expect to sell. So much has changed in society and music since "Youth Gone Wild" and "18 and Life" that reclaiming the popularity he achieved with Skid Row is beyond the point of reason. Besides the album (which I like / Yes, I did buy it) is too heavy to ever reach the Top 40.

As many people noted, the album received little to no promotion from the label and had a very limited distribution. I went to five or so local record stores before I gave up and ordered it from Barnes and Noble online. By the time it arrived, it was up on I-Tunes. :-[

for sure.   What Baz is doing sounds 10x better than what Skid Row is doing without him (I Remember You - Punk Rock Remix)  :rofl:

6,400 copies in first week only?  :o  :rofl:


Now that's not.. a start he'd want... But I'm sure sales will go slightly up when delivered in whole Europe and elseworld...  : ok:

Right, but in this day and age if you are curious to hear Axl's singing you don't need to buy the album. One quick trip to Youtube gives you a lo-fi listen. I'm sure there's millions who just did that instead of buying this record (not proud to say myself included..sorry Baz, money's tight). Most people don't buy an album just to hear 5 minutes of guest vocals. And I'm sure alot of people who are just casually curious about CD will do the same...BUT GN'R has millions of diehard fans (as evident from 2006-2007 ticket sales). Baz does not have that kind of following. So Angel Down's sales possibility is not at all relative to that of Chinese Democracy.

Not to mention when CD is released it is going to get sales on top of the regular fans like us by people who are probably going to be curious what they have been doing all these years making this album.  There is a mystique around the whole thing and that hasn't really faded at all as evident by the articles that still pop up frequently about Chinese Democracy.  Sad to say that not many were really curious what Baz was doing for the past 7 or so years, he just doesn't have the same icon status as Axl Rose. 

and when the distributional problem is sorted out.

Greatest Hits jumps 20 to 1 in week 192 on Billboard's top pop Catalog chart, more peope bought Greatest Hits in week 192 than Angel Down.

This Week Last Week Two Weeks Ago Weeks on
Chart Title, Artist
Imprint | Catalog No. | Distributing Label  Peak
Position 
1  20 10 192     
Greatest Hits, Guns N' Roses   3
Geffen 001714 | IGA | 16.98  1

Source: Billboard.biz

I dont think so NO.. Not many shops know Sebastians name in Australia anyway :peace: But i did get the CD and its awesome..I love it..   With the suply trouble its had in the US it wouldent have helped..He needs a video and a big Ballad Like bye your side.. : ok:
In Australia i havent seen one mention about Baz having a new cd anywhere!! :peace:

Hell to the no!

So many people are waiting for Chinese Democracy, I think people will buy it just to see what took Axl so long. And a lot of artists appear on other artist's CD's as a way of networking - you never know when you are going to need someone's help or want a certain person for a song. I have never seen a big artist appear on someone else's CD and then put out their own and people not buy the CD because of a guest appearance on another artist's record.

It depends actually.  On indie releases like this more people buy it from and the local record store just because it's the only place that actually has it in stock.

A higher percentage of the people who buy Bach's album will buy it at the local record shop than say MCR or Toby Keith or whatever, that's for sure

Yes. Axl sings on it and thats been a promo tool for Baz. He's promoted this album to death on the air waves, making certain that Axl's name is mentioned at every turn.

Angel Down will be a benchmark at what to expect (sales/acceptance) from Chinese Democracy. Like it or not, Chinese Democracy isn't going to change the world of music. In fact, very little people will care. The ones that matter anyway.

Just look at the state of music, there's your benchmark and it sucks. A future where music consists of nothing more than a compilation of tunes by various artists is very real and should be concerning for fans of music. Music is becoming the next dinosaur and you all are invited to the funeral.

Are you serious?

You think there's only about 7000 GN'R fans in the US who want to buy it the first week of release?




/jarmo

Seriously, there is more people than that on this site.  I think you can pretty much guarantee everyone here will be buying a copy and if you count the other major forum right there between the 2 you have 40k units sold just to the super diehards in the 1st week. 

I think we can also count in everyone who saw the band play in 2006-2007 to buy a copy.  Remember, they were there for GNR, not Baz.  I have no idea what the figures are for how many people attended the shows but I am going to guess it went into the millions.

Not to mention that even the casual fan will be picking it up in the store as an impulse buy to see what it's all about. 

 :nervous:? Hasn't music always been a compilation of tunes by various artists??? ???

Yeah, It's sale will surpass most of the other crap that is out there today; 400k-500k the first week would not surprise me ... maybe more.

I think as much as the leaks have been downloaded, it will be an entirely different story with CD itself, then you will see all GNR fans unite together on that issue, well most anyway.    You know that the diehard fans will not download so GNR will have nothing to worry about there and then there will those that will buy on curiosity alone.   Although, those people have the potential to be the downloaders which will hurt sales. 

Nowadays you can't get a true number of who actually has the album in their possession.

I fully supported Angel Down, started a thread on my forum asking who was going to support and not download and I was surprised to see the majority wanting to go out and buy it so I really don't see CD having a problem.

Can't see how it could

I mean Axl singing on that record seemed to be more of a favor to Baz than anything else

I'm still surprised at Axl's fascination with this guy and that he may even believe that Baz is relevant in today's music scene, but that aside, I think it does
not matter at all in regards to CD

There's no "back in the day" when we talk about present and about how someone would do something NOW. If we could join today's bach with "back in the day"'s Skid Row, I'm sure that we would have something seriously great, but that's not possible. That's why I don't hope for a Skid Row's reunion, it would be just ridiculous...

Ouch, I just read that I wrote "Rachel and Bolan"!  :rofl:


Oh man, don't even remember me of that... :-X :-X :-X

Baz and Axl were really good friends back in the day when they toured together and they were talking about doing a record together back in 91. 
So they really are old friends and I believe that Axl is very loyal and very helpful to his friends.

People steal music.   There might be 8,440 members, but how many of those people will just go and steal the music instead? 

This album's sales performance or lack-there-of has about as much to do with predicting how GnR will sell as Axl's appearances on The Outpatience or Gilby's first album, in other words, absolutely no impact or indication whatsoever

Everyone on this board should buy his album to support him.

I have not seen Angel Down in any store in my area.  Hard to sell if it is not on shelves.

I?m stunned so-called music industry insiders here still don?t know what it takes to get an album to be top-sales.
No offense, but there is a fine line between being naive and bonehead stupid.
Moreover, I highly doubt Bach himself knows the exact sales figures which makes this posts as pointless as discussing if Axl?s 1986 sat dish had been burnt to a crisp in the fire it would affect CD sales in any way.
CD will sell if it gets massive promotion. If it doesn't, it won't no matter how bad/good it might be. It's that simple.

I guess no one, including Bach, was expecting for some  #1 smash hit here..or even #19 smash-ish hit  but 6k in opening week sure as hell is surprisingly fucking bad, considering how huge amount of people you'd think is interested to hear and  buy this.

Two most popular New Sebastian Bach tracks feat  Axl Rose!11!! clips in Youtube are about a month old. Other one has 12k hits, other one has 6k hits.That's very modest as well, in terms of You tube hits over what is supposed to be an exiting leak and interesting listen.
Those numbers arent gospel about anything for a number of dif. reasons. But it does suggest there is surprisingly low amount of people being genuinely curious about hearing the tracks via less legal means as well?

Parts I've heard of New Bach Album I've found boring as hell myself...
...But that's just me it seems. It's not a bad album,most who have it like it and It has gotten fair share of very positive reviews in many important outlets right? Rolling Stone and All Music and whatnot? It's a  shame he didn't get a video out there to go with the release. Still, he did a fair share or promotion by himself. He sure as hell made it known the record has AXL ROSE in it. (who wouldn't) He  Toured a lot with GNR in recent past..all that. The album did get promotion. It ended up being just Bach having to do it by himself but..yah, he did a fair amount of it. So yeah..6k is very fucking bad. Maybe it is a slow burner or something.

Well then why don't you enlighten us then to how it suppose to be done?

i was shocked that the album did so shitty...i could care less because i think its a great album....but i will admit i was shocked at the shitty album sales....i was expecting a top 40 debut at the very least, i am shocked that it barely made the top 200...i see alot of shitty bands at least crack the top 40....a big problem and i dont know if any of you encountered this was when i would tell people a new sebastian bach album was coming out i got 2 reactions 1. who? and 2. they would laugh....which really sucks...because bach made a great album...i went to the album signing in new jersey the day it came out...he was really nice and seems to care about his fans...oh well...looks like there are bunch of people who are missing out on this great record

Massive exposure ? Loads of video clips ? Magazine covers ? Interviews on TV ? Pay radio stations/ tv channels to play your tunes ?
Why has Britney Spears sold so many albums ? Because she is a one-woman Led Zepellin ?
Ever wondered why certain companies are featured on the first pages of a search when you google the name of a product ? Alphabetical order?
Ever wondered why certain bands are featured as the top 10 on the radio stations / video clip programs on tv ?
Talent ?
Same thing with movies. No matter how much money they spend to make them or how good they are, if there's no massive advertise people won't know they exist.It's not like there aren't enough choices in the nearest Blockbuster/CD store. On a branded planet what makes people choose one or another ?
Average American is bombarded with 274 ads of all sorts a day or 7 million over a lifetime.
First lesson in marketing and advertising - you don't desire what you can't see therefore you don't buy.
If there were such a business that could rely solely on talent or quality itself marketing and advertising wouldn't exist and companies wouldn't spent a whole lot more to promote their products than to actually design and produce them.

Chinese Democracy will sell as much as if not more than the latest Eagles debut, which was an exclusive anyway. Still, don't underestimate this album too much. Don't inflate your expectations, but don't keep underestimating it either. Remember when Axl introduced The Killers at the VMAs? Standing ovation, baby. Fucker only has to show up. Once this thing is finally released, and it will be, you'll eat your words. People not only will hear music, they want to.

I'd be curious to know how many people on this board bought it.

I'm not a huge fan of Baz.. i was starting to be, but i saw a few reality episodes (Rap Superstar and Supergroup) where he just looked like a huge tool. So cheesy. Hope you all don't consider that last sentence to be treason. haha

Viva Savage Animal!

 :beer:


Sebastian Bach's "Angel Down" - Number One on Billboard's Heatseekers

Sebastian Bach tops next week's Billboard Heatseekers Chart with "Angel Down," his first solo album in eight years. In addition to the Number One chart debut, "Angel Down" has also been winning over the critics:

"'Angel Down' will tear you up..an amped yet layered backdrop for this limitless voice, an uncharacteristically tortured Bach blazes a promising new path of modern badness and paranoia." - Los Angeles Times

"The truth is, Sebastian Bach has a great f**king voice...it's gratifying to hear he hasn't lost a whit of his vocal power, range, or attitude on 'Angel Down.'" - SF Weekly

"Bach's solo disc rocks harder - and more single-mindedly - than you'd expect." - Entertainment Weekly

"Angel Down" - produced by Roy Z (Bruce Dickinson, Rob Halford, Judas Priest) and featuring three tracks with Guns N Roses' Axl Rose on vocals - also lands at #27 on Billboard's Hard Rock chart, and enters the Top 200 Albums chart at #190. While it will be a week or so before all international sales figures are in, "Angel Down" debuted at #50 in Japan.

http://newsblaze.com/story/200711290626 ? -Wire.html

I just bought my copy yesterday and listened to the entire thing. I don't really care what the critics say, I think this is a solid offering from Baz. There are like 7 tunes on the album that could easily turn into hits. Bitchslap is great. I think I like Bitchslap more than Back in the Saddle. You Don't Understand is great and #7 and #8 are strong as well. Since it's new, I don't know the titles yet by heart but I'll tell you what, based on what I know is out there by other artists in the same realm, this stands out. I also listened to the release by Wolfmother back in May and I thought most of the songs sounded the damn same. At least each of the songs on this compilation has a uniqueness to it.

And as far as Baz being cheesy and a tool, well, you are way out of line man. He did that stuff to get back in the public eye. Sometimes, you have to take shit and make the best of it to get back into what you really want to do. It's just like a job. If you were gone for a period of time and hadn't worked in your field, you might have to start at the bottom to get to the top. Look at all those celebrities from Dancing with the Stars - which I hate by the way - they are all looking to get back into the limelight so they do whatever they can to gain recognition.

Finally, Baz has a goofy personality. He seems pretty easy to get along with and I bet that's why Axl likes him. He is funny and very outgoing - most rock stars are aloof and can't be bothered - not all, just some. So, because this guy is a geniune likable, nutty, over the top at times person, you think he is cheese and a tool. You probably don't have any friends like this. Too bad. I do and they are very intelligent but there overall personality is nutty, which I tend to love in this day and age of negative ass wipes

Dont count this release out just yet, sometimes it takes a little time to get the engine running. I know of new releases that take off weeks after because the songs receive more air play and promotion. You should just let it be dude.

Oh believe me, I totally understand all that. It's just the whole thing about how you go onto the official site for Gnr and you see a picture of Baz. Every day there's some quote from Baz about Axl and the album. It's just tiring. The site should be about THIS band and THIS album. I could care less if Axl sings on 3 songs off of Baz's album. He's irrelevant to me. Change the damn picture, give us an update of some kind, and speak for yourself about the album, don't let this ass-clown keep doing it, it's making the whole thing even crazier than ever.

Amen, Cheryl for saying everything I feel about this album too. ?Say what you want about Baz but it really does kick ass. ?I like the fact that it contains rock, really heavy rock, and ballads as well. ?All the songs appeal to me in some way and he should be extremely proud of his efforts.
 
Very cool!!!!!!!! ;D

Yea, it was a bummer to see. He really came off as a first rate, immature, jerk.

What I found intriguing during the last tour was how younger people were not interested, or simply indifferent to Bach. I always felt he had a great voice, great songs, great performance, but the younger crowd didn't really express interest (the ones I talked to anyway.)

because anyone under the age of 30(myself included) basically views Bach as no different than bret michaels or jani lane....another hair metal/glam leather pants rocker......when you have singers such as mike patton, phil anselmo, anthony kiedis, kurt cobain, serj tankian, etc it is kind of hard for anyone to look at Bach as some trendsetter genious vocalist...

failure to release it might be rather more problematic.

beautifully put.

Well it's too bad. Bach was way more talented than the Lane or Michaels cast. Not an icon in my book, but head and shoulders above the group he was lumped into-has beens.

Either way, from my experience, he doesn't have the crowd pull that Axl does, regardless of his talent, and that's just the way it is.

To the original question, absolutely not...of course not.

Right now all we got is Baz as far as anything related to Axl.   We have, some info about CD and how much material Axl has more importantly we have Axl on 3 officially released songs and he sounds incredible, only thing is it makes you crave more from him, it keeps Axl in the media at a constant right now and we have stuff to talk about because we are in a silent period.  I'd say not to shabby.

I understand wanting Axl to talk himself, I think we all want that but Axl is Axl and he's not ready so I'll take Baz and he can talk about Axl till the cows come home, it's all good to me because it's better then nothing. 

You are aware that some people put Axl in that category as well?

And then there's singers like Phil who started out in looking like a member of Pretty Boy Floyd......







/jarmo

Most people I know, in my age group, away from the board, consider Axl a has been, who can no longer sing. All were fans "back in the day."

How is sebastian?s album selling?

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all I know is that not every record store sells it.


isn't it funny that he is considered to be the coolest one of your age group and over by teenage girls who weren't fans back in the day. :hihi:

I went to my Best Buy didn't have it or I was looking under Bach when maybe I should of looked for sebastian.  I found my copy at Target and after I snagged my copy they only had two left so im guessing they didn't get that many copies.  Anways I think what Axl did for Baz is great helped out on the album its great but let me tell you this Chinese Democracy will come out even if Baz album sold 10 copies.

i think there is a different perception of 1980's Axl compared to current Axl...as for Phil Anselmo he would be the 1st to admit he started off looking like a tool? ?but the man has built a solid career and groundreaking career as a vocalist considering 90 % of metal singers rip him off

NO !!!  :smoking:

Baz kick asses.? Angel Down? is rock, the rock & roll is? back!!.? It's 190 at Billboard!! but is just in the first week, just wait. And I think that this album? is a good advance of Chinese...I guess? :-\

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=85699

Please, sorry my bad english!!

6,400 in first week only? Wow. Welcome to the record industry in 2007-It would have been interesting to see how this would have sold if Axl had not been on it-all that time opening for GNR in the past year or so, I guess his new music didn't have much of an impact-that's the way things are these days, and all the people who have been posting Velvet Revovler's record saled for Libertad should realize how low record sales are dropping year by year

billboard.com

and he sold 6400 copies his first week in the united states. he is 190 on billboards top 200. that is horrible!

It's #1 on the Heat Seekers chart, whatever that means.  I have to admit, I've never heard of any of the other albums on said list.  Although, most of the albums on the top 200 list are crap in my opinion anyway, so what's that tell you?

this is the defintion of the billboard heatseekers chart

"The best-selling albums by new and developing acts, defined as those who have never appeared in the top 100 of The Billboard 200. If a Heatseekers title reaches that level, it and the act's subsequent albums are immediately ineligible to appear on the Heatseekers chart."

Bach is the ONLY name on the chart that i EVER heard of. lol. He is not a "new" artist and he is not a devolping artist either. Another words the chart is bullshit. The cd is medicore at best.

the record flopped..case closed....

You're fucking boring.

First you beg me to let you back on the board and then you just troll every thread mentioning Sebastian.





/jarmo

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Chart positions and units solds are not an acurate reflection of an album being a success or failure. I'm sure Baz was very happy with what he made and rightly so from what I have heard. If he is happy than FUCK what people say, he is happy and that's all that matters in my humble opinion.

Baz should be happy.  He made a kickass album, and he's got Axl Fucking Rose on it.  :peace:  I'm sure it will pick up and do better.  It was mentioned on the radio here in LV today and they mentioned Axl being on it.   I wish they'd play some of it so people could hear it.

this isnt' a pop album. Baz didn't even have a strong marketing machine behind the cd... no to mention this would be a pain in the ass to promote, because so little people would actually be a target for this kind of music.

All in all it's a great cd, i love Skid Row ( with Baz), but i had the bring bach dvd wich was very disapointing. this is a great cd, a step up in his carrear. and he can show everyone he can write great tunes as well.

i Love by your side, the cd is filled with great songs.

Thank you baz for delievering great music!

I agree this is a very strong record...its just the name sebastian bach is not very marketable...you put this same album out under the Skid Row name it lands in the top 40 first week....at the very least...that is with Bach singing in Skid Row....skid row has run their name into the ground in recent years with that talentless waste on vocals

I think his album will do better when he goes out on tour to promote / support it.

I'm not sure if this has been said before or not but here's some info from my own personal experience from the UK:

1. HMV and Virgin in Newcastle aren't even stocking this record, and when I asked in the stores if they could check it on their systems the computers didn't even have it listed... and the computers list both already released and any upcoming records. From what the worker in the store was saying to me this means that they are never going to stock this CD. This meant that I had no option but to buy the album on iTunes UK.

2. iTunes - it lists how popular a song is - the songs that have Axl singing on them were listed at maximum popularity whereas the rest of the album was very low popularity... so peo are obviously only buying the songs they want to hear. This will therefore effect the number of "album" sales.

3. I live in the UK and I only know about this album because I am a rock music fan, check the websites regularly (like this one) and listen to Talkng Metal etc. If I didn't do this I can honestly say that I have seen absolutely no promotion for this album in the UK whatsoever.

I realise that things might be different in the USA but that is my insight into all of this. I don't think that this will affect the release of CD... I think Axl sang on the songs because he is mates with Sebastian and did it for enjoyment, not some structured plan to build towards the release of CD which we have already been told is now in the hands of management, not Axl or the band.

 :beer:

I recently downloaded the album and I have to say I was very surprised how much I liked it.  Reminded me a lot of the "slave to The grind" era SK. 

That said, the album's failure (yes, 6000 units sold is a failure by any standards) should not AND definitely is not Seb's fault nor Axl's.  The promotion behind the album was horrible.  Unless you read the internet religiously (and only the metal sites) you wouldn't know this album is coming out.  I have friends that were huge Skid Row fans in the day and were shocked to here about the release of the album.   they didn't hear about it until I played it for them!  Metacritic.com which compiles all the reviews for all album releases doesn't even have the album listed.  And itunes not only didn't list it in the "hot new albums of the week"...they didn't list it in the "hot NEW albums of the week."

No promotion = no album sales (just ask Limp Bizkit)

Also, I noticed on the internet...there was quite a bit of negative comments from all the "nay-sayers."  A lot of people who probably didn't listen to the album or ever like Skid Row or Axl...were bashing the album weeks before its arrival.

But the promotion for the album isn't the only issue, the distribution was non-existent.  I went to two Best Buys, a Frye's, and a Target...and not one of them had the album for sale.  This album should have been front and center at all the stores with a giant sticker that read "FEATURING AXL ROSE."  I ended up downloading it from the new MP3 store at amazon (which was cool).

I would be very interested to see how the individual songs are selling.  All the Axl tracks are doing great on itunes.

So does this mean bad things for Axl and CD?  No.  Without promotion...no one knows about the album.  So no one knows about its poor showing either.

I had no idea this album was out until I read a thread about it on here...

I still have yet to listen to it.

:/

M. Shadows from Avenged Sevenfold said it best a couple of weeks ago after Avenged Sevenfold made a huge debut on the charts at number 4..."record sales mean shit these days...nobody buys fucking cd's anymore."  its true, nobody buys cds anymore except for the hardcore fan who wants all the artwork....Most people went on itunes downloaded the 3 axl songs and called it a day...which is sad because it really is a great record

People can't buy it, if it is not on shelves.   In my area I have checked Best Buy....Circuit City....Meijer....Target....Karma Records....even tried Wally-World.   None of them have Bach's CD.     Not everyone buys music online,  I don't or won't.  I do believe sales would be much stronger if availability were a little stronger.  Is this a problem in other areas??..anyone.

i'll buy it when i see in stores :)

i can't get by your side off my head! such a great track. i can def relate to that song.

now all i have to do is catch sebastian live...

This was a tough sell-I'm not sure how much of a fanbase Skid Row or Sebastian Bach has right now-I thought there would be some interest because of the VH1 show and because Sebastian is in the media a lot, but people have to realize the record industry is dying a slow death-I don't think this has anything to do with how Chinese Democracy will do-Axl and the record company have to pick a great first single, otherwise it can kill a record (see Velvet Revovler).