Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Who remembered this?  I always wanted to see this, but you finally can here.  Slash with Puff Daddy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18BfhETg9-U

Thnx for posting this mate, I've been looking for this? :beer: do you know where I can find the whole song?...

I have no clue!  stumbled upon this on you tube.

Kinda funny how in his book he says he had absolutely no interest in gangster rap.

NetAid from 1999? I remember that event, don't remember what it was for though....


Slash playing with Puff Daddy, and it's a song Tommy helped write.

Wonder if he knew that....




/jarmo

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Where in the book does he say that?

"I was working on a band that had nothing to do with the grunge sound or whatever you want to call what it was that happened in the mid-nineties: it was a very cool bu tshort-lived moment. And it had been replaced by rap-rock limp crap and boy bands... and Interscope was more or less call gangsta rap.  I had no interest in any of that, so i was completely unaware abou tthe shifts within the business"

p. 406

PUff isnt really gangsta rap though


Slash just said he wasnt interested. Didnt say he hated it or refused to have anything to do with anyone.

This is what we call, Reading too much into something out of hatred and wanting to find something to gripe about.

the guitar solo is great , but the song SUCKS!

I don't hate him, I quite like the song and think it sounds pretty cool.

I just think it's funny.

I don't care how funny it is, what's even funnier is that someone considers Puff Daddy a gangster rapper.

Tommy helped write this song? Stinson? how come?

Agreed... I mean... if the rappers keep their mouths shut, and we just listen to maybe the drum/slash, it's all good...

I'm sure he just doesn't want to make an album or anything of the sort with a "gangsta" rapper or something of the sort...

I'm sure playing with a rapper is all good...

I'm not really sure if Puff Daddy is a gangster rapper though... he does get on my nerves a little bit, but that's because he doesn't use actual instruments at concerts... (not that I've seen anyways...)

Tommy is pretty well respected in the music industry.   Axl is lucky to have someone like Tommy.

It's "gangsta rap" people, not "gangster rap," of which Diddy (yeah, that's right) is neither :hihi:

Look at the eyes, and grins. It looks like the photographer caught them coming back in after they burnt a blunt.

Axl is lucky to have Tommy??? LOL  Tommy should be thanking God and all his stars to have Axl.

The reason there's never any Duff vs Tommy threads is because TOMMY STINSON IS A LEGEND in the music industry!!! :headbanger:

who is talkin about a Duff?? do you want to start a thread Duff vs. Tommy?  'cause I DON'T.  Tommy is a legend in what music industry? ganster rappers?Who cares!??  :rofl:  I have NOTHING against him at all, I think he is a pretty good bass player and I give him the credit for sticking around with Axl & Co.that's it!  But names like: John Paul Jones, Geezer Buttler, Steve Harris, Cliff Burton, John Deacon ARE LEGENDS.  ;)

:rofl:

I dunno, though... Maybe some people have different opinions on who they think is a legend? ;)

As cool as Duff is, he's just not in the same league as Tommy credibility wise in the music industry.

That LEGENDS list should read more like this:
John Paul Jones, Geezer Butler, TOMMY STINSON, John Deacon, Cliff Burton, DUFF MCKAGAN, Steve Harris.

Duff is the former bassist of Guns N' Roses..

As big as The Replacements were, they were never the biggest band on the planet.

and for sure they arent now  :hihi: :rofl:

next thing here is...Paul Tobias is a "legend" :hihi:

Duff owns Stinson

Like I said


Is Duff playing tommy's bass lines?

NOPE

Tommy I believe is playing Duff's and making a living currently doing Duff's music.

Duff has some of the greatest bass lines in rock history and in my opinion is a better songwriter

Did Stinson ever write an "Its So Easy "

nope D, Im gonna go right ahead and guess that it was.....DUFF!...right? ;)

Stinson a legend? if he hadn't ever played with Axl, I wouldn't have known who the guy was..
if he was such a legend, he wouldn't have had to sell ink toner to survive before Axl gave him a ring, he would have been playing with a shitload of other musicians, or another band, making a good living.
but anyway, he's a good musician. Im glad he's playing with Axl and I like his solo album.

tommy is great, but he never got the general public appreciation Duff had in Guns.

The replacements were a great band, Tommy's solo music is awesome, he's a talented musician, but not a legend.

he is in my book, but that doesn't count for much.

As someone said he had to sell printing toners for a living after the replacements ended... i don't think duff ever had to do that.

Tommy is great though. i prefer him over duff any day. and his cds mean a lot to me.

I can't stand duff's solo crap. those are just a waste of time... Tommy on the other hand writes music that has soul, feeling and great composition. he's the better musician in my book.

wow ... It's really sad how some of youze seem to have such a limited appetite for music.? :no:

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, PEOPLES ... DON'T LET COMMERCIALISM DICTATE YOUR TASTES.
THERE'S A WHOLE WORLD OF REALLY GREAT MUSIC BEYOND THE 'TOP TEN' ON THE SALES CHARTS.

No offense to Duff but if it wasn't for his time in GNR most of youze would have ZERO clue who he is.
And considering Duff's Seattle music background, Tommy was probably one of his influences.

Tommy Stinson is not only one of the most RESPECTED talents in the music industry, he's a LEGENDARY bass player and a garage punk ICON!!! :headbanger:

^Most respected talents in the music industry according to whom?  you? and/or the hard core GN'R fans, who else? 
as I said before I like him but I think calling him a "LEGENDARY" bass player is a bit too overrated.  garage punk icon????  :rofl: so is the guy in Blink 182, right?  ::)

Me, Axl, Slash and Puffy to name a few? ;)

I disagree completely.

Duff is not in Tommy's league as a songwriter.  It's not even close.  You only need to compare Tommy's solo work to Duff's to know that.

While Tommy may not be a legend like Duff that has more to do with popularity of the bands they were in, not talent.

Tommy played on a lot of great Replacements records and his solo record is fantastic.

Duff may be a better bass player, but Tommy has done much, much more than just play Duff's bass lines.

Tommy is a very gifted musician.  He's the Izzy of the new band, in my opinion.

Ali

I never said he wasn't a respected musician, I dont agree with one of the "most respected" ones,
fine, that's your opinion, I have mine as well, I dont think he is one of the " most " on anything really...and I dont care what Puffy think anyway.  : ok:

Ah, what do you know?  Duff ripped off most of his stuff from the Pistols.

Thanks for playing.

What did Slash say about Tommy?

Was this during the Jim Rome interview?

Ali

Ali, I agree with everything you said but this:

I know you said "may be", but as musician, I think Tommy is way better than Duff. Just listen to Somethings Wrong on VGH. :)

I agree, overall, Tommy is a better musician.  I think he has a better voice than Duff and is a much, much better songwriter.  I want to hear Tommy play on the more aggressive new GN'R songs before having definitive word on who the better bass player is.

Ali

Voodoo, not sure on who has better chops, but Duff's tone is fucking killer.  It helped, like Slash's tone, make that GNR sound!!

Well, it's a matter of opinion, but I don't like that bass with chorus he used on UYI tour and I don't miss that at all.

I think Tommy's tone is more smooth, more natural and less "metallic". But each to their own.

Definitely, everyone in GN'R helped make the GN'R sound.

Pure bass playing?  That will be easier to say after Chinese Democracy is out, I think.  But, I truly believe that Duff is not in Tommy's league overall as musician, including bass playing, music writing, melody writing, lyric writing, playing other instruments (guitar, drums), and singing.

Ali

He was in the band and made himself famous. If it wasn't for for Guns n Roses most of youze would have ZERO clue who Axl is. If Tommy Stinson wouldn't have played with The Replacements most of youze would have ZERO clue who Tommy is and if Guns n Roses had not excist with Duff and the gang, Tommy wouldn't be playing in the band now. Your comment is useless!

The best songs I have ever heard is made by Guns n' Roses and I think their melodies is the best. That's why Duff is a higher "league". He made a complete album by himself with great drums and guitars and he sings great. His solo music got great melodies to I love them. I don't like Tommy's singing and I don't like his work outside Guns n Roses to much. I think it's a mather of taste.

As a Guns n' Roses fan I must say that the people who made the Guns n Roses classic are some of the greatest musicians ever. Because they made my favourite songs and they play hell good!

Duff being in Guns N' Roses does not put him in a higher league than Tommy as a musician, as much as I love GN'R.  Duff didn't write melody lines in GN'R like Axl or Slash did, so you can't credit him with that.

It is a matter of taste, and as that, Duff does not hold a candle to Tommy as an overall musician, singing and songwriting included.  Especially songwriting.

Ali

dude... have you even heard the Loaded - Darkest Days album? whole album there is KILLER! with GREAT melodies!
also his second solo album - Beautiful Desiese got some songs with awesome singing on it! sure, not the screaming Axl use to do, but in Duff's own special way!


i think Tommy's singing gets a bit blunt...

and another think, Neurotic Outsiders - 6 Feet Under and Good New, Bad News are GENIUS songs!

Cant get enough of that wonderfull Duff!

You're arguing about personal taste.

Personally I'd take "Motivation" by Tommy Stinson over anything Duff has ever produced outside GN'R.



/jarmo

as ali said:

It is a matter of taste, and as that, Duff does not hold a candle to Tommy as an overall musician, singing and songwriting included.  Especially songwriting.
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i think Duff holds a fuckin' torch compared to tommy's little t-light...
there for, i think Duff is more talented than Tommy

even though Tommy rocks!

so does Motivation... but still, as i  said, i dont care too much for him as a vocalist....

Duff is a great musician, but I think Tommy is another league as a songwriter. ?I actually think he's a better songwriter than Izzy. ?His melodies on Village Gorilla Head are as killer as it gets, for me.

Which isn't to take anything away from Beautiful Disease or Loaded, I just think Tommy's a level above.

Ali

"Motivation"?  What about "Light of Day", "Someday", "O.K.", "Hey You", "Not A Moment Too Soon" or "Without A View"?

You get my drift  ;D

Ali

I don't know ow anyone can say Duff is a better all around musician then Tommy. Tommy's solo stuff completely blows Duff's out of the water. From the Bash n Pop stuff right up to his Village Gorilla Head album, is all amazing stuff. Anyone who hasn't heard all those albums are seriously missing out.

The "Official" Duff Vs. Tommy thread  ;D

 :hihi:
shut up bitches, Duff is better!
I'd say Tommy's solo album is as good as Loaded and Beautiful Disease, and Duff is one helluva more interesting bassist than Tommy. in the end, Duff 3 - 1 Tommy. nah, more to Duff really.

Lyrics to EVERY song on EVERY Duff solo album:

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To Duff's credit, he kept the rythym section (like tommy) tight yet loose. Being a former drummer and decent guitar player allowed Duff to get a killer groove, something the new GNR songs seem to lack a lot of.  Also Duff has some good bass intros and very cool fills even on a ballad type song like SCOM.  For Appetite and other classic GNR albums, there could not have been anyone else because the roles everyone played are almost perfect.  He was the perfect bass player for knowing his role.  You knew he was there, but he didn't try to step on anyones toes like a guy like Flea or Les Claypool would.  So in a band with such dynamic personalities like GNR, he contributed just the right amount to make the music almost perfect.  Also Duff almost self taught Adler how to play.  He has a great sense of timing and groove and I do like his tone. 


I think Tommy is a good player and more of a session Jack of all trades type of guy.  Skilled in many aspects, but didn't really revolutionize anything.  And neither did Duff, but Duff did live the life and was in the biggest band in the world at one point.  For all of Tommy's accomplishments, he will never top what Duff has done.  And he doesn't have too cause this isn't a pissing contest.  I just think some people forget how magical life was 1987-1993.

^ what do you mean he self tought Adler how to play?
Adler had played drums for years before he met Duff. now Duff probably helped Adler with the timing a lot since they were a rhythm team.

Maybe I should have said that Duff was huge in teaching Adler timing and finding the groove.  He stripped down adler's kit and made him listen to Prince and Motown to improve his drumming.

Ive heard something like this before, but I have heard that it was Izzy that stripped his kit down.