Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Factual errors:

- Page 1: "I was born on July 23, 1965 in Stoke On Trent, England"
- He was born in Hampstead, England but spent his childhood in Stoke-on-Trent.

- Page 102: "We could have booked a gig locally because, collectively, we all knew the right people, but no, we decided that after three rehearsals, we were ready for a tour."
- The first show the Appetite For Destruction line-up played was on June 6th, 1985 at the Troubadour in Hollywood, CA. The tour up to Seattle happened after that show.

- Page 164: "Del ended up writing treatments for some of our videos, as well as having written the short story that inspired Axl to write "November Rain"."
- Del wrote Without You which inspired the video to November Rain and at least part of Estranged.

- Page 210: "When we got on set, we met JJ Jackson, the host, and he was really cool. "
- J.J. Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.J._Jackson) didn't interview GN'R on Headbanger's Ball in 1987. [Thanks Nevy]

- Page 221, 305: "Within a day, we hooked up with Fred Curry, the drummer for Cinderella, and he was great in a pinch."
- Fred Coury is the drummer's name. [Thanks Nevy]

- Page 259: Tom Mayhue's name misspelled as Tom Mayhew.

- Page 323: "We had three theater dates in L.A., San Francisco, and New York, with various bands opening for us, such as Blind Melon and Faith No More and Raging Slab."
- Raging Slab opened for GN'R at the NYC show, Dumpster opened in San Francisco and L.A. Shannon Hoon (of Blind Melon) sang with the band at the L.A. show.

- Page 323: ".. including two nights at the Inglewood Forum in L.A."
- It was actually four nights.

- Page 335: "After we got out stage show together, backup singers, horn section, and all, and we did a week's worth of rehearsals with every element intact, suddenly we found ourselves in South America, before a crowd of 180,000 at Rock In Rio II, on January 20, 1991."
- The extended lineup played its first show on December 5th, 1991 (the second US leg) in Worcester, MA.

- Page 339: "When he jumped down, it was great, we kept playing that suspenseful riff that starts off "Rocket Queen," and I thought the whole moment was killer. When Axl got back onstage, everything felt triumphant for a second... then he grabbed the mike, said something like, "Because of the bullshit security, we're going home," slammed the mike down, and walked offstage.

The band kept going. We'd gotten good at improvising to fill dead space - drum solos, guitar solos jams - we had a bag of tricks to keep things moving whenever Axl made a sudden exit. We kept jamming, and I went over to the side of the stage.

"Where is he? I asked Doug.

He looked at me with a pained expression. "He's not coming back."

"What do you mean he's not coming back?" I shouted, still playing the riff.

"There is no way he is coming back," Doug said. "There is nothing I can do."

We were about ninety minutes into our set, which was our minimum contractually, but the plan was to play a two-hour ser and the crowd wasn't close to satisfied. They knew there was a lot more left. I would have done anything to get Axl back onstage at that point.

"Ask him again!" I yelled. "Find out if he's really not going to." I should have known by Doug's expression that there was no use.

Once it was final, we had no choice: the band put down our gear, and it was like pulling the plug on the stereo - the song just ended on a question mark. That entire arena sat there expecting something to happen, but instead we walked offstage without a word."
- The following is what happened and it can be seen in the pro-shot bootleg footage from the show. About 1:15 into the song, Axl asks security "Hey, take that! Take that now! Get that guy and take that........ I'll take it Goddamn it!" He jumps into the crowd while the band keeps playing the riff Slash mentioned. Axl returns to the stage at around 1:57 into the song, motions for the band to stop playing and says "Well, thanks to the lame ass security, I'm going home.". Then he throws down his microphone, walks past Slash and walks offstage. Slash proceeds to say something into the microphone. His last line is "We're out of here".

Page 350: "In May of 1992. We announced that we would coheadline a summer tour with Metallica starting July 7"
- The tour started on July 17th, 1992 at the RFK Stadium in Washington, DC.

- Page 363: "I got married  to Renee in October 1991."
- 1992

- Page 412: "On the morning of 9/11, we were woken up at 8:15 by David Williams, Michael's house guitar player .... ... I saw that a plane had hit the Twin Towers, and moments later the second one hit while I was actually watching."
- Flight 11 crashed into the north face of the North Tower of the World Trade Center at 8:46:40. Flight 175 crashes into the south face of the South Tower at 9:03:11. 

- Page 437: ".... and the Pistols' "Pretty Vacant."
- They played "Bodies" by Sex Pistols at their first show as well as playing it on tour.

- Several pages: Slash's current band mate in VR, Dave Kushner, is referred to as Dave Kirscher in several places in the book.


If you find something you think is a factual error, post it in this thread.





/jarmo

Jarmo, seems like some pretty basic stuff, mainly dates that are wrong.  Those shouldn't be wrong, but its not nearly as bad as I thought this list would be.  Thanks for pointing those out, good work!    : ok:

Hopefully Slash will never read this thread because hes gona think your one helluva loser lol

oh no!   jarmo is going to be heartbroken.

Oh no hes not!!!
OH YES HE IS!!!!
*crowd*  OH NO HES NOT!!!!

We call this pantomime in the UK  ;D

LOL

I'm so worried about what Slash and you think of me!   :'(

I think he has more important things to do. Like making sure the backaches, loss of appetite and so on are gone. Oh, and I think he's in a band too....




/jarmo

Or think:

A) "Maybe I should've gave the final draft a quick read before I handed it over to the publisher."
B) "Never hire that editor ever again."

C) "Appreciate that an autobiographical piece of literature contains literally 1000s of 'facts', of which an extremely small proportion may be slightly incorrect"

whats your source for slash's place of birth jarmo?

HOORAY!!!!


Apparently it's quite ok to correct errors in other people's posts, newspaper articles, unofficial books and so on, not to mention how somebody missed a note in a song. But DO NOT, under any circumstances, dare to point out Slash's book has errors.

That makes you a loser!!!!  :yes:





I don't remember the original source.

But last week Slash admitted it himself... His dad noticed the error:

I've gotten not too many comments about little mistakes in it. Like my dad told me about one. I was born in Hampstead, not Stoke-on-Trent. I lived in Stoke-on-Trent but I was born in Hampstead.

And I knew that, but it just slipped right by me in the book. It was the first thing that was written in the book and it was the first and last time I ever saw it. And I didn't catch it then....


My God, Slash's dad noticed the error and told Slash he got it wrong.

What a loser!!!!! Right?  ::)


Edit:

For The Record, before a Slash fan takes this out of context: I'm not calling Slash or his dad a loser. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy in kriss_boy's post.


/jarmo

I merely expanded on the post- I didnt correct it!

So.. that makes you the loser again then :D I love this game!

That makes you banned. Still love the game?

I didn't call a you a loser. I said according to people like you, commenting on the errors in Slash's book makes one a loser.


Anyway, fuck off with your game.





/jarmo

cheers

No problem.


I think I read it on snakepit.org too...... So it's been known before the book was even planned.


For The Record, before a Slash fan takes this out of context: I'm not calling Slash or his dad a loser. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy in kriss_boy's post. 




/jarmo

damn jarmo you are a nerd

(http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/5324/2023kp3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Yes, I wear glasses and I have a computer. I'm such a nerd.

At least I don't post pics of others while telling myself I'm cool.

Funny how none of these Internet tough guys ever post pics of themselves.



Now go back to wherever you fucking came from.

Anyone else want to stop posting here?








/jarmo

and i'm a nerd and i don't even wear glasses, wow.

damn, the guy can't tell where he was born and when he got married ??

slash...  :rofl:

Jarmo ... that pic of you ... the guy that posted it ... did you ban him?

If so ... why are you replying to him?  Can he still see ?  I didn't know if you were banned whether you can see the forum still or if you're locked out ....

Just curious :) lol... not really related.  But still ... I've seen two names with 'Banned Rocker' next to them today.

Did he mention that he didn't like ballads and did not want to record Sweet Child, Patience, November Rain, Don't Cry...? Did he mention something about going to Axl's house in 2005? Because, as we all know, he lied about that - not only once. ;)

They're all angry because some people actually said "Slash is a liar". That's a sin! :rofl:
Yeah, he banned those guys. I think they can't read what we write anymore.

Slash didn't say he didn't like ballads ... he's never said that.  When they were doing Appetite, he didn't want something like SCOM on because he didn't feel it, at the time, fit with the flow.  Don't Cry was a finished song at that point too ... if you recall, there's a demo running around ... in fact, about 3 or 4 demos, and they're from that era ... But they didn't put that on the album, as it would have not flowed well with the rest of the album and the current feel of the band overall.

I can see his point ... tho, in hindsight, SCOM turned out amazing... I think Slash just resented it from the perspective I have said.  That is totally acceptable... it is partly his band and his opinion was valid.  In recent years, he's clearly said he doesn't have a problem with the song anymore and didn't for many years now.

So I don't really see why it's that big a deal.  He does, in the book, say that the song came together as a non serious creation.  That, surely, is enough.  Slash doesn't have to write word for word what people expect him to.

I mean ... I'm not applying this just to Slash ... Axl shouldn't have to say what he's expected to say either... and while I'm not going to talk about specific incidents, so I don't take it off topic, no one in the past or current band has to say what we think they should say.  By saying the song was a mess around and not saying any more, he wasn't lying in the slightest.  I think that one's been blown out of proportion.

Also ... please show me where he said he didn't wanna record Patience and Don't Cry... I don't even think I've ever seen or heard him say not wanting to do November Rain either... I know he didn't love the songs ... but I dunno ... I can't recall him specifically saying he didn't ever want to record them.

The Axl's house thing ... while it was a fucking stupid thing to do ... I don't think it matters too much ... because he came clean on that ... and in all honesty ... I hate to sound once again like the Slash defence ... but I do believe that he didn't say shit about the guys he's in a band with.  Beta is, in my opinion, the most likely person to lie.  I'm not gonna dwell on it ... Slash was an idiot for saying he didn't go to the house ... and in my opinion, it's a MASSIVE shame he even spoke to Beta ... I wish he'd spoken to Axl.  Like Matt Sorum, Steven Adler, Izzy... he could have chatted and just chilled out with Axl.  In fact ... after a little bit of awkwardness, I reckon they'd probably sit down ... talk about shit... and have a few drinks ....

He FIRED Matt Sorum ... Steve Adler ... Izzy left because he hated Axl's antics ... and since we all love Izzy here (right?) and he's publicly stated that his main reasons for leaving were Axl's seeming lack of respect for the fans by going on late or not at all ... costing the band hundreds of thousands etc ... and the fact that ... and I wont quote specifics ... becuase I can't be bothered to find it ... but ... he said "Axl tried to cut his percentages... so he made less money" ... Of course, he was sick of the fact that members were on drugs etc too and I am 100% aware of that ... but many many times he's stated that his biggest problem was Axl ...

Ok ... SO ... regardless of the rest ... since Izzy gets on with Axl now, and he's said all that stuff ... surely if Axl and Slash had, on that fateful day when Slash saw Beta, met up and sat down ... they'd probably be on speaking terms now.

Jeez, this just hurt my fingers! :D lol

This should be enough:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b49_v52OGNg
Albany rant , 2002

Heres the Transcript:

"Now I was uh, perusing. I was reading all about my integrity, 'cause that's what I'm known for I guess - selling out my integrity. That's why I'm here with you tonight because I just don't give a fuck I guess. Yeah, that's why we worked real hard at this. That's why these guys worked real hard at being in a band that they can get abused for "because they're the guys in the way of stopping the old band from getting together." That's horseshit.

I'm not trying to bum anybody out, but, you know, I was thinking about it. I'm pretty blunt so people get real pissed. And I haven't done a lot of talking on this tour. I'll shut up real soon don't worry. You know, I've tried acting nice and that just ends up fucking me right up the ass. They take advantage of that. "Well, you see Axl said something nice, so how can we use that to our advantage?" ... The truth is they didn't want to be here for you at this level and they don't want to take it farther. I mean, that's their business right? But not at my expense or yours. You've been played. You've been lied to. You've been used. You've been manipulated so that they can ride around in limos and jam with Snoop Dogg or whoever the fuck. I don't care. That's their business, but they shouldn't really do it at your expense or mine.

Now as soon as I say this it'll be on an MP3, someone will transcribe it , and the next person will say "'Can you believe Axl said that? I mean my god. I mean he hasn't put out a record. I don't know why he would say that. I mean who does he think he is? That's not very nice. The other guys, they have gotten over it and they're his friend now and they're willing to be his friend and he just needs to grow up." .. I'm sorry. I'm a little bit more blunt. I mean, Slash may sound like a De La Hoya, but he's the fucking Vargas. That's just how it is. And just because you've got a bunch of guys agreeing doesn't mean shit. The truth is that they're a bunch of bad cops and I'm the fuckin Serpico and they can "suck my dick!"

"You know without Axl and Slash we wouldn't have November Rain and Estranged" .. Well you don't know what the fuck I went through to get that guy to play those songs. You don't know about the argument we had at A&M studios, because Duff and Slash came to me going "We're not gonna do that song Axl, we're not gonna do this song, no, no, we're just not gonna do it." .. But I wanna do it. We'll do it right now. This song is called 'patience'." .. Axl Rose, Albany 2002.

Note: I just copied what gunns1 said here: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=49384.1560

Slash was probably wasted at some points during the past.  I can understand some of the errors, he probably can't remember some details.  Hell, I can't even remember last night.

This is yet another of your totally clueless statements that you seem to have a habit of making.

You know nothing about her and yet somehow you come to this conclusion. Even after knowing damn well that one guy has admitted to lying about the incident.

Is it based on the "she works for Axl so she must lie" idea?

No matter how hard you try to portray yourself as objective ("I've said nice things about GN'R"), you still defend Slash. Maybe you don't even try to, maybe it just happens automatically. I don't know.


You say the thing doesn't even matter much to you, but you're quick to point fingers.





/jarmo

At some points????????  There are YEARS that the guy can't remember.  I am not going to say he lied intentionally in the book because I don't believe that to be true.  But I think knowing that he was bombed and high for most of the time he was writing about would have prompted him to have better fact checking done before the book went to publish.  I don't care that it's a memoir, it still should be correct!

Jarmo...

I'm not having an argument with you.  PM me if you want that discussion.  :)

And I need to have 2 threads about the errors in slash's book, WHY?

Man you must realy hate that man (even though you been to MANY VR concerts). Well, I Like listening to VR songs and reading slash's book, 'Cause Lord knows Axl sure hasn't officially put anything out for us to Read, watch or listen to.

And everyone knows it.

In Jarmo's defence, as much as we argue ... this thread has kind of been hijacked.  He did state it wasn't a discussion thread and was just pointing errors.  I don't agree with all of them in the context that he's said ... but that's not the issue.

did you really ban that dude for thinking youre a loser? because i mean, i think it's kinda lame for someone to feel the need to analyze and point out each and every slight error in the book...i mean really, who cares?..but i dont think thats grounds for you to ban me from the site. that just shows me that you've got self esteem issues or something.

It shows that I don't put up with people bringing that shit here.

I have no obligation to be nice to people who try to insult me because they don't agree with the simple fact that I want people to know the facts about GN'R's past.



/jarmo

is this really jarmo, if so  :rofl:

Why  :rofl:?

What gives you the right to judge people by a single picture?
Do you have a pair of x-ray eyes so you can see the personality of someone by looking at a pic?

It is so easy to write such a dumbass post, isn't it?

I don't know if this is pic is showing Jarmo or not, and to be honest I don't care.
And I will tell you why I don't care.
This site is up for a decade now, so he must have done something right.
He could be either the guy from the pic or a 150kg-chinese-guy, it won't change a thing.

 : ok:

lets see your picture, stud.

He also stated they played a Show at the Nassau Colliseum in Uniondale NJ..Nassau Colliseum is in Uniondale NY. It's a venue on Long Island..

You are considering hiring him for one of your butt movies ?

Slash is such a liar. :hihi:

You guys attacking Jarmo are the fucking losers. It's all safe and sound behind your screen, huh ?

And he's fucking you right back by not removing this picture. That's balls, wich obviously you don't have.

Regarding the thread : if I want to read and learn about GN'R's past I want 100% correct facts. Not something full of mistakes. So yeah, thankx Jarmo for pointing them out.

For Christ sake, the guy can't remember the year he got married ? Did he read the book before he agreed for it to be printed ?

hmmmmm, jim bob, in GNR community known as one of the most primitive figures....pssssst...be quiet

haha. yea.  now go back to mygnr where you came from and if you don't like this board, leave it alone.

I love how magically we got a bunch of newbie trolls on this board.  Seriously, go back to your romper room, people.  We actually LIKE GNR on this board and realize that it is no longer 1988.

. 

Obviously him reading it wouldn't be enough but someone was a real slacker with the fact checking. 

I hope you're not referring to me, check out my registration date...
As Jarmo says sometimes, some members only post when they have something to say...

As far not being in 1988 anymore, well... I'm not really into AFD anymore but I know that some people still listen to it and even perform those songs at shows. :hihi:

I wasn't referring to you, it's pretty clear by the posts on the previous page who I was referring to. 

It just seems to me that some people join this board or others to cause drama and couldn't really care less about Slash or GNR.  GNR has been going through lineup changes pretty much since they started so I really don't see why all of a sudden it has become this big issue. 

Slash and Duff have recently been grasping at straws to gain attention to themselves and if anyone cannot see how sad it all really is then I don't know what to tell them. 

In the book Slash says he wrote Locomotive with Izzy.  I'd always thought that song was strictly a Slash/Rose composition. 

If you're refering to liner notes in the album Sleve, it also states that the Lead guitar on Double Talking Jive was played by Izzy but it's so obviously Slash (and in interviews that's also confirmed).

Does he mean they wrote the vocal melody?
liner notes aren't trustful?

No, I have pointed out the things that I think makes him a liar in other threads. This has nothing to do with that or any personal opinion about Slash.

Think about it, if this book didn't have the name Slash as the author, many of you would be doing the same.



These are factual errors in his book that I noticed.

I'm just interested in providing the most accurate history of past events as possible.






/jarmo

Slash does look very bad when it comes to going to Axl's house.

Its like your Girlfriend being told u were at some other chick's house and u lie and say, FUCK NO, I never went over there. Then all of a sudden the new girl says she fucked u and u keep saying u didnt go over there at all.

Then out of the blue u say "Well I went over there but nothing happened"

If u lied about not going over there, then u are probably lying about not saying shit either.

Doesnt matter to me though, Slash is still my hero but I honestly believe he said every bit of that about his bandmates and at the time maybe it was true.

ONly thing that makes me think Slash didnt say that is, Why would he tell Beta all that stuff? I could see if he talked to Axl in person and told Axl that. I just can't see him relaying all that to Beta.

Tell Axl that Scott is a Fraud, Duff is Spineless etc and that he is the stronger.......


That doesn't make much sense but I do lean towards Axl being correct when he said Slash lies a lot. Cause judging by Slash's book, Morales and honesty isn't at the top of his list judging on some things he did.

Page 448 "After I had a one-on-one with Matt, I had one with Kirschner and then Duff and Scott."

(http://gypsysoul.lunarpages.com/vrdave.jpg) <--- Dave Kushner - VR band member

(http://gypsysoul.lunarpages.com/vrharry.jpg) <--- Harry Kirschner - NOT a VR band member

Sure.

That's probably why Axl got tattoos with the different GNR line-ups on his body.

Whatever you say Bandita.

Yeah, and nobody else has ever gotten a tattoo of somebody else or somebody else's name (who was in their life at the time) tattooed, only to break up or drift apart later?



Oh, and by the way, Slash has the Snakepit logo tattooed on his shoulder....




/jarmo

Fuck this thread is ridiculous. I mean, the only useful post is the first one + the ones with the corrections. Nobody's really saying Slash's a liar, they're just pointing out the mistakes. For example; why would Slash even lie he got married 1991 or that they played two shows in Inglewood instead of four..? What'd be the fucking point!? Stop it with your shit and bashing other people, I find this thread useful. And for those who're bashing Slash for these mistakes, he's really not the only one who's done it.

Please, stay on topic.

not that i care, but you have been registered on this board just over 1 year...i could care less, but that makes you pretty new....

on topic.

the st loius incident, and slash's version of event's it doesn't match up with what you see on the pro shot.

i didnt get up to that part yet. what did he say? i have the pro shot so im curious what he had to say....

Sure it does

If u watch u can see the band behind the stage as if they are about to try and come back out and play, but so much pandemonium is going on they cant.

they wanted to go back on and they planned on going back on. they waited around for a while to go back on. i remember an interview way back where duff and slash said they wanted to go back on. plus, fyi, axl punched the WRONG guy..... i am not up to that part in slashs book yet, so i dont know what he said...

Dude... do you really think this book was meant to be a full accurate history of GNR facts? It's not like he wrote down every single fuckin' word he said or things he did....  :no: :no: That's just wierd, man, writting how you dislike the character, yet find time to study his own book page-after-page ...  ???

Dude!


No I didn't it was gonna be accurate, but it was promoted as setting the record straight. So in that sense you can say I'm helping him!

 :yes:

"It has a lot of answers to a lot of Guns N' Roses questions that relate to myself that a lot of people been asking, which is the whole point of of the whole thing, the reason I wrote it. And then it's got some interesting sort of sidelines, side stories too, stuff that's common knowledge but they don't know the details. You know, we seem to generate so much brouhaha that it's been really excessive. I never thought in a million years that I would have to sit down and write a book. That's how much talk there has been going on over the last few years."

- Slash
RRFC Las Vegas 2007



If I only read and studied things that interested me, I wouldn't have had to spend all those years in school.....


I could tell you a thing or two about weird stuff, but that's another story.




/jarmo

I'm sorry, but how does that rant by Axl prove anything?  In your mind Slash is capable of lying but Axl isn't?  I've never heard anyone else involved with the band say that Slash didn't want to do Patience, Estranged and / or November Rain.  I never heard anyone say that about Duff either.

Just because Axl says something doesn't make it true.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's false.  Maybe it is, who the hell knows.  I'd just like some factual evidence rather than something Axl said at a concert.  After all he said at many concerts "Chinese Democracy will be out later this year" and I still can't find it in stores.

this was an intersting find
http://www.bringbackglam.com/journal/2007/11/25/billy-rowe-talks-the-glam-years.html


well this is something i hadnt heard of... :no:

the whole interviews at the link.

Page 237 says GN'R Lies was released November 29, 1988.

According to amazon.com and htgth, it was released on November 30 (Wed)....

does anyone think that we will get a second edition of the book? with the mistakes sorted out?

just the obvious ones

Mistakes? There's no mistakes!

I'm just an asshole and Slash hater!

 :hihi:



/jarmo

 :hihi: Well ... Erm... :D hehe.

I don't really care about these inaccuracies ... and in all honesty... if Axl had written with the same mistakes (believe me ... if he writes one, there will be a LOT of factual errors like these), I'd not care either :)  The overall story is what interests me :)

Axl, Axl, Axl.

Assuming Axl writes a book one day, why do you automatically assume that he'd put his name on a book without any fact checking?

Here's the overall Slash story: Born in Hampstead, moved to L.A, rode bikes, stole, played guitar, did drugs, picked up a guitar, started playing in bands, stole, did drugs, joined GN'R, did drugs, did drugs, did drugs, died, married, did drugs, Snakepit1, did drugs, quit GN'R, met Perla, divorced, Snakepit2, did drugs, almost died, got married, got kids, VR, did drugs, rehab....





/jarmo

Is Slash the only Rock Star who did a lot of drugs?

Is this a serious question?

I mean, if you're really serious about it, maybe you can explain why you're asking......




/jarmo

Don't mean to be sarcastic, but if you think Slash is less of a person because of addiction, you should reconsider because a lot of great artists have suffered from the same thing including Shannon Hoon, Kurt Kobain, Jimi Hendrix, Elvis Presley, as well as people from the GNR family including Wes Arkeen and Izzy Stradlin.

could be worse, it could be like anthony keidis' book, got laid, got high, got laid, got high, got laid got high. and thats about it.

And why do you automatically assume Axl's book would be error free even if he did his "fact checking?"

Did I say so?

Did I?

Look at the word in capitals in the post I was replying to before answering.

Thanks.  : ok:



/jarmo

Oh my fucking god, nooooooo!!!!!?


Um, actually there are a couple factual errors in the above summary but, it would be silly to point them out.

Anyway, its obvious Slash and/or his life story as it were is not really your cup of tea.? And that's cool.? Different strokes for different folks.? But why do you have to take your indifference a step further by trying to ruin it for the many fans that do admire/appreciate him (imperfections and all)?? If you did indeed have anything credible to say the direction you take totally disqualifies your statements especially to Slash's supporters.

I read a lot of biographies. Some are great, others aren't.

But when I read books about GN'R, it's a subject I know more about than many other artists/bands.

So obviously the conditions are different if I'm reading something related to GN'R or if it's just a band I might know very casually. Like for example Motley Crue.


I know some of you are upset. I still believe that if this book was unofficial, like that Izzy book fraud a while back, people would be pointing out the errors.




/jarmo

Page 324 says UYI1 sold more copies than UYI2. I believe it was the opposite. Same thing with the order of debuting on the album chart.

Page 350 says the Metallica/Guns tour to start July 7, 1992. It started on July 17. The correct date can be deduced 5 pages later.


Sorry if these mistakes are mentioned in the other thread - too long to go thru now, but I don't see them listed in the first post on this thread.

Page 451 he says he checked himself into rehab on July 3, 2006 and did full 30 days.
As far as I remember there was a mini summer VR tour July 21-30, 2006. I don't remember it being cancelled either. So, that date is probably wrong again.


I give up, every time there is a date mentioned in this book, chanced are it is wrong.... >:(

You said this:

Assuming Axl writes a book one day, why do you automatically assume that he'd put his name on a book without any fact checking?

You are implying that Axl's book would be perfect if he wrote one.? Truth is, any member of Guns n' Roses who puts out a book is going to have errors in it.?

You really need to stop this obsession you have with trying to make Slash look bad.

There are plenty times in the book too where he dotes on Axl and do you think those are errors too?? Funny or coicidence or ironic that you don't seem to notice the good points of the book and how for example, Slash was touched that Axl bailed him out of jail that one time or how he and Axl had tight personal conversations and how Slash had Axl's back when he had a run in with Stump, the biker from the St. Louis incident.

Fact is, if the only thing you can point out are factual errors then that actually makes Slash look better because the editor is the one you should have the issue with and not Slash.?

I hope Slash reads this thread and puts out an "error and ommissions" book just in your honor. : ok:

Seriously, give it a rest already.? Quit acting like you know more than Slash does.? You were not a member of Guns n' Roses and you weren't there to witness what went down.?

No I'm not.

If I thought it would be 100% error free, I'd say so.  ::)

I'm implying that it might not have "LOTS of errors" as SpiritDave assumes. 






Obsession?

I think he's doing a pretty good job of that himself.....

I'm just commenting on things he has said and written about in his book.

I'm not making shit up about him or his band.






I did notice those things.

I was actually waiting for somebody to give Axl credit for bailing out his new band mate when his old friends didn't seem to give a fuck.

You did, but only to "prove" that Slash is a nice guy for writing it!




Yes, many of the errors, mainly typos, can probably be blamed on the editor.

But considering the book has Slash's name on it, I wonder if he didn't read any manuscripts and approved them before they went to the printer....

Maybe he didn't, considering he allegedly bought a house without seeing it?




Where did I claim to have been in the band or know more than he does? Could you kindly point me in the direction of that post please? This seems to be the tactic some of you use. "You weren't in the band".

I bet there's a lot of people who weren't present in World War II, but they know a shit load about it...



Your idea of "you weren't in the band so you don't know anything" is pretty lame.

I can read! And see that his stories don't match up with what actually happened or when it happened.


I'm glad you're here to defend your hero and attacking me once again when it's been shown that Slash's version of this event isn't exactly the truth.


Oh, and don't act all innocent with me....



/jarmo

But when I read books about GN'R, it's a subject I know more about than many other artists/bands.

You have a website dedicated to a band you love.  That makes you a fan.

In my opinion, lately, you have taken your obession (yes, obesession) with trying to make Slash look bad and come off to many on here that you think it's your viewpoint that is the only right viewpoint.  Read this thread.  Many have different views and don't take this "obsession" with pointing out errors that were more than likely the editor's fault than Slash's.  You come across as "knowing more than Slash" even if you don't actually type that out.

Truth is Slash was wasted on drugs and alcohol (which he clearly points out in about every chapter and he was very open about all of that ) so of course, his account of things will be off.  But you seem to have this vendetta against the man and he can't seem to do anything right according to you. 

Slash has a lot of friends - one mainly being Marc Cantor (whose family owns Cantor Deli) as well as he mentions his sound tech as still the same guy he has today.  Yes, Axl bailed Slash out of jail.  Maybe Axl had the money to do that or maybe it came down to something as simple as Axl picked up the phone and heard someone tell him that Slash got arrested and needed to be bailed out so Axl was in the right place at the right time.  It's not that Slash's friends didn't care.  You again, make invalid assumptions because you seem to lately want to discredit Slash.

Has Slash always been honest?  No he hasn't.  His words aren't gospel but everyone who has read this book knows that before they read it.  We just don't have this obession like you do to point out factual errors nor do we care.  It's still a great read.

And I don't think there is one poster on here who would be able to detail every aspect of their life without errors.  Their brother or sister may have a different viewpoint which isn't wrong or untrue.  It's just how they saw it happen.  Same goes for Slash.  If any member of Guns n' Roses follows Slash's footprints and puts out an autobiography, it too, will contain errors.  No one or nothing is ever perfect.

Correct. Did I claim otherwise?



Maybe it's your paranoia talking?

I don't claim to know more than Slash. That's ridiculous.

I don't claim to know more than anybody. I'm just saying that I personally, as a GN'R fan, might read this book differently than a casual reader and I gave examples of that.



The same kind of "vendetta" I have against others making bullshit claims.





I apologize for the choice of words. Let me rephrase that: In a time when nobody else bailed Slash out, Axl stepped up and bailed out his new band mate.






Would you say the Izzy fans who pointed out typos in his unofficial biography (which turned out to be a scam) were obsessed?

How about those who point out factual errors in other unofficial GN'R books, articles and TV shows?




Exactly what I've been saying.

One guy wants to set the record straight about something which he was only one part of....

You obviously haven't paid enough attention to history. We've seen this before. Slash talks and talks for years about things. People don't care.

Then when Axl says something and it's labeled lies because it happens to clash with what Slash has said....




I'm surprised you failed to point out where I claimed I was part of the band....


If you want to talk about obsession, we could talk about your obsession with me.... You do know that I wasn't in GN'R right?





/jarmo

First you say:

I can read!

Well read this because this is what I typed: : ok:

In my opinion, lately, you have taken your obession (yes, obesession) with trying to make Slash look bad and come off to many on here that you think it's your viewpoint that is the only right viewpoint.? Read this thread.? Many have different views and don't take this "obsession" with pointing out errors that were more than likely the editor's fault than Slash's.? You come across as "knowing more than Slash" even if you don't actually type that out.


Your tone and inflection in your posts comes across to myself and others that you act like you are or were in Guns n' Roses and you aren't and weren't.

If you want to talk about obsession, we could talk about your obsession with me.... You do know that I wasn't in GN'R right

Don't flatter yourself please.? I don't have an obesssion with you.? I have my opinion and it's valid and I think that you feel like your viewpoint is the only correct one and whoa be anyone who has a differing intrepretation.

Look, the book has errors.? Big deal.? Why dedicate a whole thread to something that everyone already knows isn't going to be perfect because it came from Slash?? ?It's still a great read even if things are they way he remembered them to be.? Again, those of us who read anything from Slash pretty much know not to take it as gospel but that doesn't discredit the fact that it still makes for a great read.

Again, any member from Guns n' Roses who follows in Slash's footsteps and puts out an autobiography will also contain errors.? There is no possible way anyone can get every fact correct considering the amount of substances that consumed the band.? Again, we would all know this and not take it as verbatim and certainly not be obessed with pointing out errors like you seem to be.


I apologize for the choice of words. Let me rephrase that: In a time when nobody else bailed Slash out, Axl stepped up and bailed out his new band mate

Again, you assume that Axl was the only friend Slash had.? You don't know the circumstances as to why Axl bailed Slash out of jail but you fail to note how Slash says in his book that when he found out it was Axl, he was deeply touched.

As I said, maybe it's your paranoia?

Maybe you can't handle that somebody has facts that backs up what he says so you have to resort to the "you were never in the band" thing?

As I said, I didn't say I know more than him or claim I was in the band.

Now that I have told you how it really is, are you still gonna argue and say that I think I was in the fucking band?





Well I think sending out LOTS of PMs about me is somewhat obsessive....

I have my opinion and it's valid. :)





No I don't assume that! You're once again making your own assumptions and fail miserably to get the point!

This is what I said: "In a time when nobody else bailed Slash out, Axl stepped up and bailed out his new band mate."

There's no assumption there, just a fact!



So are you calling everybody who points out errors in anything related to GN'R (books, biographies, articles, TV shows) obsessive?

Just wondering if it's only about me or if it's everybody who points out errors.....

Would you be so kind and answer this simple question.






/jarmo

If you can not see the "know it all" tone and inflection as well as the "rudeness and arrogance"  that comes across when you post as always having to be correct, then there is no point in me trying to explain it to you any further.

Will you answer my question. Please? You know, the one you keep avoiding all the time? The one about if I'm the only one being obsessive for pointing out factual errors or if it applies to others. Thanks a bunch!




I think you're among the last ones who should give me lessons about rudeness.  :)

I apologize if my posts offended you and/or bruised your fragile ego.  :-[





/jarmo

It only applies to you because lately, you seem to want to discredit Slash more than usual.

You started by moving the Velvet Revolver section.  Then when someone tries to talk about Slash or any original member (except Izzy) you pick a fight with them and tell them they are not a real fan because they support Velvet Revolver or you call them a whiner.

You can't even articulate without using profanity or typing condescendingly to someone who just because they are a fan of the old band and the new band, you say they aren't a real fan.

Maybe you can answer what has Slash done to you to make you so against him?  Has he lied to you?  Has he done something to you that makes you not like him?  You don't even know the guy unless  you do know him and he has done something personally to you.  But if your only reason for not liking him is because he twists the truth or he lies about going to Axl's house then that is silly.

If you don't see in your posts that you come across as being rude and unappreciative of people who come here to share what they love (their love for Guns n' Roses and all versions of the band) then that isn't cool.  Your site  is one of the first many go to inorder to find news or accurate information and yet you treat people very poorly on here and you are not objective at all in your thinking.  Just because someone is a fan of the old band does not mean they are any less of a fan of the current band. 

I think a lot of us know that Guns n' Roses needs Axl's voice to be able to call it Guns n' Roses.  However, many others have added their talents too and you seem to want to say that people who support the old band are less of a fan.  Then you call them a whiner when they would like to wonder what is going on with the new band and information on CD.  You can get your point across without being rude to people or acting condescending. 

Does anyone know (maybe jarmo) how Slash wrote the book?  In other words, did he sit down and attempt to write everything down based on what he could remember? Or was he writing as he was going on and living his life and then he decided one day to gather up his manuscripts and turn them into the book? 

It seems to me that he was pretty waisted during the GNR years, so how could he possibly remember every date, every little detail 15 years later? 

Ok. So it only applies to me and nobody else who corrects factual errors in GN'R related material. Glad we know it's personal.

Let me ask you this: How often did Slash write an autobiography in his whole life? When did its release happen?

Would you be shocked if you learned that if there's more material with things I object to, I might have more reasons to post?




I started with what?

I moved it so people would get the idea. This is not a VR fan site.





Way to generalize!





Oh wow, I didn't know that was something that offended people who listen to GN'R. I guess I was wrong!



If you just love the old band and come here to point out that it's wrong to be a fan of the current band, then you're the kind of fan we don't really need here.

I have made that point pretty clear over time and it still comes down to the kind of generalization you make.







First, let me use your tactic: What has he done to you to deserve your loving feelings?

Seriously, he says a lot of things I object to. I bring them up, I point out why I object to them.

This is a message board. Do you understand the meaning?




Now you're mentioning all versions of the band. See above.

No, I don't appreciate certain people coming here to start shit. Why would I?




Rubbish!

Another generalization. I treat people poorly? That's a lie and you know it.

People who don't respect what this place is about don't deserve any respect from us. Simple logic.

I never claimed to be objective. It's the people who visit FAN SITES only to bash the artist it's dedicated to that are waving the "I'm objective" flags.






I'm a GN'R fan. All of it.

I don't post here how Slash is the only guitarist in GN'R or how the band sucks now.

See the difference?






There you go again!

People who only support the old band aren't exactly GN'R fans. Let me explain what I mean before you take that totally out of context.

They're fans of something that doesn't exist anymore. They're fans of the old GN'R.

They like to call themselves GN'R fans because to them, GN'R doesn't exist anymore.  ::)



It's like being a fan of the Rangers 1994 team but not supporting them today.



Oh, one more thing. Don't ever give me lessons about being rude to people. You are not the right person for that!

A faceless coward giving me advice. Please.


See, not even one swear word. There goes another one of your theories.....






/jarmo

You obviously don't get it.

Guns n' Roses is Guns n' Roses.?

Just because the members have changed does not make it different.

You try to always point out the old vs the new.? A lot of people on here support any version of the band regardless of who is in it.?

Yet, you still call them a whiner or accuse them of not being a real fan because they post about Slash or another old member in the section that is dedicated to nostalgia or other bands such as Velvet Revolver.

Oh, one more thing. Don't ever give me lessons about being rude to people. You are not the right person for that!

A faceless coward giving me advice. Please.


See, not even one swear word. There goes another one of your theories...../i]


Do you not depict a sense of arrogance and rudeness in your above statement to me??

You obviously have a problem dealing with corrective criticism.

thats not who he's talking about.  he's talking about people who only support a past incarnation of the band and treat those of us who do like GnR still like we are stupid for being fans.   the old band has been gone for so long its not really about them any longer.

Haha!

Wonderful, you skip all the questions. As usual!  :hihi:

How come I have to ask you questions several times before you answer them? Oops, why am I even asking you anything since you'll never answer this, let alone the previous questions.



Then you make more broad generalizations.

Like I mentioned, GN'R is GN'R to me. I never stopped supporting them because some guy left. Why are you pointing it out to me?

Now you try to make it sound like I'm the one making the difference. Nice try.


Now, if I called all people who has ever posted in this section "not real fans", then that would mean I'm not one myself. As you see, your generalization is out of line and just stupid.

I have called certain people whiners. Not all people. See?



People have issues with how this place is run because we pretty much demand that you understand that this place is for people who support the current band.


This isn't even about GN'R. It's about you having some kind of personal vendetta against me because I pointed out the factual errors in a book I read and because I point out things that make no sense to me.




Damn right.

Somebody who spams the board users PM inbox like you did doesn't score high on the respect points.

Sorry!






/jarmo

People who only support the old band aren't exactly GN'R fans

People have issues with how this place is run because we pretty much demand that you understand that this place is for people who support the current band.


What part of it's Guns n' Roses regardless of who is in the band don't you understand?

You do make it an old vs current all the time as noted above.

I think I made my point clear.

If you think you can come here with this attitude "I'm a GN'R fan, they suck now. Bring Slash back!", think again.

I didn't make the difference. I said people who do and only support the old band aren't welcome here.

It's pretty simple. Do you get it?

You can keep saying "there's no difference, it's all GN'R" until your face turns blue, but it still doesn't help your case at all since I have repeatedly explained to you what kind of people we don't want here.



You keep skipping all my questions. Talking to you is like talking to a wall.

It might be fun at first, but then gets really boring.  :hihi:


Keep ignoring the questions.

It makes you win discussions!  :hihi:


Edit: You even managed to take one my quotes out of context to fit your needs. Great!


By the way, if I was making that huge difference between old and new, how come it's not mentioned anywhere? It's not "a site about the new GN'R"? It just says Guns N' Roses. All over the site. Isn't that weird!




/jarmo

Funny how you seem to not have any problems with all the errors contained in the Mick Wall book including hits and slams against Axl and you never dedicated a whole thread in retrospect to that and Mick Wall was close to GNR and pretty much in the loop back then.

Yet, you dedicate a thread to Slash who again, has done nothing to you personally.  You are not Axl's bodyguard or his guardian.  That position has been filled.

Funny how you once again IGNORE ALL QUESTIONS only to attack me and try to insult me.

Somewhat amusing coming from a guy trying to give me lessons about rudeness.


Your behavior is not unique by any means. It's pretty common to people like yourself. They attack me, then when I ask them questions, they just ignore them and resort to lame insults.

I never claimed to be Axl's bodyguard, guardian or band mate. All these are the results of your own imagination.



I don't like to talk about Mick Wall's books. He doesn't deserve the publicity. Period.  : ok:

This book is different since it's an official autobiography published to set things straight.



I guess you have nothing to add since you ignored my questions again. Move along.  : ok:



/jarmo

Oh MY God.....This has gone waaaaay beyond ridiculous

1)Slash's book is an AUTOBIOGRAPHY...his take on things that involved his life and the band...period. If a word is mispelled it is the proofreaders fault......In my opinion this book should be filed under (fiction) but that's beside the point.....

2)Axl needs no one to "take up" for him, being a devout fan is one thing but, being a Karen McNeil is another..(a stalker) If he is not concerned abouyt something he simply ignores it...worrying makes your life shorter....and Gossip IS the devil's Radio......

In Closing...BOTH of you are fans...nothing more..it is fucking ridiciulous to waste this much time and energy on this topic......

If Someone wants to read the book let em' do so and perhaps they will see the truth from a drunken spiel....there IS a historical value to this book, so collectors would want it,regardless.....of the mistakes. ....and fuck ups......

I Implore you to find something more viable to fight about...

WARCHILD

I liked the Slash book.  My own pesonal opinion though is that he really misses Guns and if he could do it all over again, he would.

I wonder what the impact of Scott's arrest will mean for VR?

It's kind of weird because the last chapter talks a lot about Scott and VR and how they chose him as a singer.  Now with this DUI arrest, I wonder what will happen.

I think so too.

what i like about these "factual error" threads is their initial idea to correct, inform and educate those who don't know as much.....what i hate about them is how they turn into personal views and opinions as to why and how and where and whatever else, often ending up in insults and stupid comments...

what we need is a thread like this every time a piece of gnr material gets released, official and unofficial, where we can point out its inadequacies, and hopefully set the record straight...

even Marc Canter's book has errors in it....

Mmm... well, maybe you should close the thread, since this IS NOT for discussion, and have people who find something out of the book and PM it to Jarmo or one of the admins??

well, here's one which confused me:

in his book, Slash said that they ran into Adrianna Smith in NY because she was there visiting some friends at the same time, so they hooked up, and the whole Rocket Queen recording thing happened. He says that she was sleeping with Axl for a whole week already in NY, and that when it came down to recording the parts, he was all for it, and even helped them set up the scene.

In Marc Canter's book (Reckless Road), she says that Slash invited her to join them in NY, and since she had friends there, she did. She also (in my understanding of it) implied that Slash had no clue about her stint with Axl, and called her up the next day after he heard the recording, demanding that she comes to the studio and explain herself, because she cheated on Steve, who was his best friend.

So according to that statement, Slash wasn't even aware of the idea for Rocket Queen, let alone present at the studio for the recording.

not sure whose take to believe on this one. Also in his book, he refers to her as Adriana Smith, and in Canter's book she is referred to as Adriana Smith on one page, and as Adriana Durgan on the other page. Maybe she married later or whatever, but it was never said, which just confused the shit out of me.

in Slash's book it seemed like he recorded the first Snakepit and THEN bought the house where he built the studio (where Snakepit was actually recorded).

another one for the list

Ya, that threw me off too.  Then I thought I was mistaken and the 2nd snakepit album was recorded at his home studio..... ::)

It was the 2nd Snakepit album that was recorded there. 

While I am not at that part yet, it seems as though the book was put together in whatever order Slash happened to recall the stories.

I also hate the giant interuptions in the text which have nothing to do with the story. Sometimes it's text from three pages in the future, sometimes it's on the same page. Tommyland employed this same deal, except it was Tommy's cock speaking (for those of you who haven't read the book, I'm 100% serious) and at least Tommy's cock kept it's interuptions in context.

I love the book so far, just hate how it was put together.

When Guns N'Roses finished the Illusion tours, the band went home for a well deserved vacation. SLASH says he is not one to stay around the house smelling the roses, so instead of gardening, he built a home studio nicknamed Snakepit. Matt Sorum, GNR drummer, came over, and he and SLASH started arranging some material SLASH had written.

clearly it's the first album is being talked about there.

I still found it to be a great read though.

this shit is shit, why dissect something that nobody here knows about. take it for what it is....A BIOGRAPHY IS ABOUT SOMEONE TELLING THEIR STORY FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE!. sure it may be sketchy in places but im sure i wouldnt get it 100 percent right if i was touring the world for 3 years and drunk half the time
 fuck man.... this thread shouldnt exist....... Take the mans bio for what it is..... and wait until axl writes his side of the story.

 Axl will never write a Bio...(if he did could you imagine how long it would take ;D just a joke or is it)

I read the book, and while interesting, realized that it had to be taken with about a gallon of salt.  If Slash can't get the facts straight on stuff that is common and verifiable public knowledge, it calls into question his credibility when it comes to unverifiable statements.  Of course he was drunk and-or high on heroin, coke, crack, Oxy, and everything else for a huge chunk of the events, has a compulsive personality, lied to those closest to him, and so forth so it almost goes without saying that the narrator here isn't particularly reliable

then again Slash was THE band person doing all interviews and stuff, day in-day out. his face was all over magazines and tv during illusions. he totally took care of those parts of business....and he came out pretty good i think assuming he had the alc/drug problems. he also got on stage every night and rocked the house in front of xx.000 people, not bad for "such a junkie" like people like to call him here.

edit:
what i'm trying to point out is that his addictions rarely had bad influence on his stage performance and playing and the business parts. he was on his best then for the fans.

What a shock...the thread titled "Positive excerpts from Slash's book" has been locked (after only a very short time!).

Is that really a shock to you?  Not for me at least.  :)

I just love how youze don't bother to mention that Jarmo posted the reason why he locked that thread.  ::)

Quote from: jarmo
Since you all are more interested in me and what I think of Slash, we don't need another thread about that. All the other open ones in this section are enough.


Locked!



/jarmo 

lol thank you!  :D Now everything is clearer to me!  : ok:

In my opinion, all the bitching and fighting in this thread is way more silly than Slash getting a few dates and facts wrong after years of drug abuse...

Anyway, one thing I remember off the top of my head: Slash says GNR did some headlining shows in NY early in 1988 with EZO and Zodiac Mindwarp, when in fact that took place in October of 1987, in between the European
tour and the Motley Crue tour. ?It was a headlining tour on the east coast, with EZO as support, from October 16th till November 1st. ?Slash makes no mention of this. ?GNR did however headline with UDO and Zodiac Mindwarp in support from April 26th till May 11th, just in time for the Iron Maiden tour. ?

Slash also says they managed to finish the Iron Maiden tour with the two 'shows' at Irvine Meadows, when in fact that tour went on for months after GNR pulled out. ?GNR was booked till the end of June.

Slash mentions that Fred Coury only played the 4 Perkin's Palace shows in LA, because Alice Cooper cancelled the rest of the tour after his dad died (after which Steven Adler broke his hand). ?Fred played two of the remaining Alice Cooper dates and two after the Perkin's Palace shows.

There's more things that struck me, but that's all I can remember right now.

My bad...didn't bother to mention the crock of shit reason the thread was locked ^^.  There.  Better? 

One more thing, at the riot show in Montreal on August 8th 1992, Slash says they played for their contracted 90 minutes, when in fact they only played for about 45/50 minutes.

If you take a look at the St Louis riot clip, there is a 'wipe' just as Axl leaves the stage. The 'Wipe' returns to Slash and then slash gives the finger and the band walk off. So this looks like a bit of edited footage to me.

SO it is possible that this was edited and that what Slash wrote in his book about waiting for Axl to come back could have been absolutely true??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJnvAr6vaRs

Um, what's a "wipe"? 

the tape looks like it was cut , like some one pressed pause or stop and then record again.... leaving a possible time frame unrecorded.

Thanks for the explanation.  Still, I still have only a couple things to say about that.   It may have been edited, but we've all seen it and see what we want to see.  Slash has probably never seen it, "wipe" or not, and based his story on his own recollection, for good or bad.  And I don't see him giving the finger.  Did he? I think he waved.  But that's another controversy. 

It can´t be seen clearly whether he gives the finger or not because that image lasts...what...one or two seconds?


I could be true. Maybe the band had the intention to get back on stage to go on with the show but from what can be seen in the footage ... to me it looks like they couldn´t have gone on with the show even if they had wanted to. The crowd was too wild.

Also, I haven´t read Slash´s book but from what I have read in this topic I have the impression that Slash didn´t read the final transcript himself because if he had I bet there wouldn´t be so many errors ( as people here state). I mean, we all forget things and all but errors like his date of birth or his wedding date...I don´t know, but those errors sound more from the editor than from Slash IMO.


By the way, has this book been published only in the U.S. or has it been published overseas too?. I´m asking because I have tried to find it in different bookshops and I can´t find it. I guess I´ll have to buy it online.

I've seen it in plenty of bookstores over here in Finland, and I'd assume it's available elsewhere in Europe as well.

I finished the book. I really enjoyed it.

I found several errors, but one I don't think has been discussed is a grammar error.

He says "me family" somewhere instead of my family.

This book is done well, but has a few factual as we all know and gramma problems...

Loved the book though.

In fact, "me family" would be grammatically correct in some dialects. So, no real "gramma problem" there!

You probably shouldn't talk to me like I'm a Slash hater, because I'm not.

The way the sentence is that "me family" was an incorrect use.

gramma... I bet you loved that one, probably like you won a award or something...

go dig some more, see what else you might find...  ::)

Somebody has their knickers in a twist.

I?m afraid this book hasn?t been published in Spain. I can?t find it anywhere neither in bookshops nor online.

The optimum word being possible.  We can't know for sure without seeing the original, unedited tape, but I never watched that footage and thought that several minutes were unaccounted for.

Ali

I did too, thought it was a very entertaining read.

Ok I have to take issue with a few things, sorry if they were already listed...

Ok there is the part where Slash says in 2006 that he checked into Rehab on July 3, 2006 and did the full 30 days.   Then how were they touring in late July 2006, especially when i saw VR live on July 22, 2006.  Don't you have to stay in rehab and not leave?   

Then he gets mad at Scott for issuing a statement against Axl Rose, and Slash says "only I can talk about Axl."  Then why didn't he release a statement denouncing this stuff?  He didn't do a goddman thing, and left it up to Scott to handle.   

Both of these things make him seem a little two sided.   

Because, as it turns out...Slash went to Axl's! 

That's true.  He would have made the situation even worse, if that's possible considering he lied about going to Axl's in the first place.  For the life of me, I will never understand why he didn't come out and say "yes, I went to Axl's, but it was to discuss working out this lawsuit".  I think his honesty would have been appreciated.  But, the fact that he tried to cover up going to Axl's in the first place undermines his credibility as to what else happened or was said that night.  At least for me.

On another note, though I can understand his point about how he actually knew Axl and therefore has more of right to comment on him than Scott does, which is no right BTW, it still is annoying that whole "do as I say, not as I do" attitude.  All the shit he talked about Axl in the press when VR was starting up and before, which he admits he did, set a precedent for what Weiland did.

Ali

Ya, I actually kind of respected Weiland for sticking up for his mate, but how he did it was wrong, but I admired his loyalty.

I mean obviously Weiland took it as , mess with one of us you mess with all of us type thing. I guess Slash kind of makes sense basically he is saying unless you've first hand dealt with his shit for a better part of 10 years , then you don't know him lol.

me too...I thought it was a good read. Entertaining and insightful. I personally couldn't give a shit about any errors. This was a book written by a man of what he knows, what he remembers, regardless of what WE THINK is fact. It is what he believes and what he perceives to be fact. ;) just my two cents

Nice to see some positive things being posted here, without bitching about the book & errors, ad nauseum.... : ok:

how nice of him to be so concerned about his ex girlfriend...

Axl isn't a girl. Not everyone with long hair is female, you know. Especially those who have cocks. Trust me on this.

sarcasm my dear jimbob....sarcasm....i was commenting on the fact that someone who constantly states that his past with Mr. Rose is behind him is so caring about the untruths and incorrect information out there about the same....

sarcasm....and a bit of irony...no porn...or sexual insinuations of any kind...

I know. I was joking too.

true, i just wish he'd sometimes actually practice what he preaches....if Axl Rose is behind and he isn't interested anymore....stop fucking mentioning it altogether...

That is the most disgusting thing I have read on this forum. You can not possibly say you are not biased or are not just out to make Slash look bad after that. Sorry but that is in very poor taste.

Don't know if this has already been mentioned by another forum member (I didn't read through all eight pages), but the host of Headbanger's Ball when GN'R trashed the set was a guy named Smash. He basically looked a lot like Weird Al Yankovic, but he was heavier and didn't wear glasses. Anyway, he suggested that the band trash the set--I don't think GN'R had decided to beforehand. Nonetheless, Smash wasn't on MTV much longer following that debacle.

well i fucking enjoyed the book, and thats all that matters to me

Ok, now that's funny. Really funny.

By Marion Pierson

I sat down with Jetboy, who were close friends of Todd Crew, to get the band?s opinion on the death of Todd and the comments made by Slash about the glam rock band Jetboy:


indiemusicreviews.net In Slash's biography he says he stayed with Todd while everyone left, and that "he died in his arms". I understand you were told different information?
Jetboy: Absolutely...Slash is a liar and he knows it. The few people that were there that night know what really happened and that Slash is 100% full of shit. Todd over dosed twice that night. The first time, Slash didn't even bother calling 911. After they revived him for a minute, everyone freaked out and left, Slash included. When they came back, Todd had over dosed again. We believe they found Todd dead. That?s when Slash finally called 911- when it was too late. It's a perfect alibi "I wasn't there. When I got back Todd was dead." Slash only cared about saving his own ass from criminal charges, which is exactly what happened. Slash walked away with no repercussions.

indiemusicreviews.net So you're saying that Slash killed Todd?

Jetboy: Todd was killing himself, but Slash definitely aided him in his demise. Just read what he wrote in his book. This is what we believe happened:

Todd arrived "fucking drunk," according to Slash, to his hotel at 7am. Todd had just broken up with his long time girlfriend and was distraught, so you know he was not thinking clearly. Slash took him to a Western Union so he could get money to buy heroin. Slash buys a bottle of Jim Beam (Todd's choice of booze) after Todd can't even stand up straight and is falling down drunk. Slash shoots Todd up with heroin after Todd is, according to Slash, "in no state to be messing with drugs." Slash and Todd go to the movies where Slash smuggles in a case of beer and they continue to drink excessively.

Slash and Todd go back to the hotel where Slash proceeds to shoot

Todd up with more heroin (Todd had been drinking for 18 hours straight at this point.) Todd over doses the first time, and Slash revives Todd temporarily, but then panics and leaves instead of calling 911.

Slash comes back to the Hotel room, finds that Todd has overdosed again, and finally calls 911 after it's too late. Now Slash has the perfect alibi: "I wasn't here when it happened."
Jetboy: Slash claims in his book that he was the "only one who did everything possible to keep Todd alive." Well, if you're doing everything you can to keep someone "alive," the last thing you do is shoot them up with heroin, especially if you know that they have been drinking for 18 hours straight! You don't have to be Dr. Drew to know that the combination of heroin with that level of alcohol is going to be bad news. Slash even said Todd "was in no state to be messing with drugs," but yet Slash shot him up with heroin and then abandoned him when he overdosed instead of calling 911 like he should have. We can't think of a more selfish act. Slash didn't care about anything but saving himself from criminal charges. Don't forget that Slash has a proven track record of freaking out and not taking responsibility in these types of situations. If you read the Heroin Diaries by Nikki Sixx, you will see that Slash did nothing to help when Nikki Sixx over dosed. He was even screaming Todd's name while it happened! It just bothers us that Slash walked away with no repercussions after providing drugs and alcohol to someone, as he said, who was "in no state to be messing with drugs." Slash knows the truth, and he will have to live with the choices he made and the lies he told- and is still telling to this day. He lied to us, he lied to the police, he lied to Todd's friends and family, and he lied to his fans in his book. We think that Slash is in such denial that he probably believes his own lies because he?s been telling them for so long. And to think he calls Todd his "best friend' throughout that book.

indiemusicreviews.net I'm sure you've checked out Slash's biography. Were you surprised when he labeled you guys "poseurs"?

Jetboy: That's like the whole irony of everything. When he says, "they [Jetboy] weren't as transparent," which is what I believe he says because we had a singer with a "Mohawk." The first thing that comes to mind is "Fuck you". That's not how it was back then and if you did feel that way then why did you do shows with us and party with Jetboy all the time? At the time, we backed each other up, the two bands were very close. The reason he said that in the book is because he wanted to put us down. It's what Slash has done ever since, because of the situation that happened with Todd; starting when Jetboy fired Todd, up to his passing away six months later.

indiemusicreviews.net Slash says in his book that you [Jetboy] kicked Todd out of the band and replaced him with Sam Yaffa from Hanoi Rocks with little or no discussion. Why was Todd kicked out of the band?

Jetboy: We did fire Todd from the band. It was the choice we made after many talks with him over his alcohol abuse. When Todd joined the band he was not a very big partier, wine coolers were his drink of choice. As time went on and the band started to do well, Todd's drinking got worse. He ended up drinking a bottle of Jim Beam every day. Before we let Todd go, our manager at the time approached Guns N' Roses to ask If they would join us in having an intervention for Todd. Their answer was, "He's fine. You guys just don't like to party as much". After our last attempt to talk with Todd (which ended up with no change) we made the decision to let him go. Our management then contacted Sam Yaffa and he was into the offer. So Sam was in, Todd was out. This is where the feud began and it would never be the same between Guns N' Roses and Jetboy after that. Right after Todd had been fired from Jetboy, things got really ugly between both bands. Not all of the members. It was really just three of them. When we would see each other out at clubs or shows it was just a bad vibe. Even the G N' R groupies would give us attitude. It amazed us on how people just involved themselves with our business when they had no fucking clue what went on! And what the real fucked up part is, none of those people knew the real Todd, the guy who was a good friend, smart, loving, caring, and who came from a very good family. All they knew was the Todd who loved to party, and that's really sad.

indiemusicreviews.net Slash also says that you stole Todd's equipment and refused to give it back. Any truth to that?

Jetboy: We had gotten an advance from Elektra records and each member bought some new gear. When Todd was fired, our manager let him take everything but the gear the label had paid for. He got all his stuff back other than a new amp or something. Secondly, this was not our choice, nor were we involved in it. Our management did all of this. What's funny about this part of Slash's twisted little fairy tale in his book is maybe two years later, Guns N' Roses fired their original drummer Steven Adler for drug abuse and they had Matt Sorum already set up to replace him. They then had Steven sign a contract which forfeited all his earnings from the day he was fired onward. We've always wondered what amount of money that added up to. We bet it was way more than an amp. So again, who the fuck is this guy to judge us? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Look what his band did to his high school buddy, Steven.

indiemusicreviews.net Did Slash know Todd had a problem with heroin? Wasn't that why Todd was kicked out of the band?

Jetboy: The first thing Is, Todd did not have a problem with heroin, he had a problem with alcohol. Todd would dabble in drugs, but his choice was booze. So when they scored dope, it was Slash who was the experienced dope user, he says this in his book. To think that Slash is looked up to by so many people out there is fucking disgusting. We actually went to Todd's parents and asked them for help. Todd's mom flew down to L.A. and brought Todd back to the bay area to get him nto rehab. Unfortunatley, Todd Bailed and went right back to the Guns N' Roses house where his heroin use continued.

indiemusicreviews.net Slash talks about a Goth band being there when Todd over dosed. Do you know who that was? Anyone famous?

Jetboy: This we don't know anything about.

indiemusicreviews.net Slash also alludes to possibly scoring the heroin that killed Todd at Chosei Funahara?s, bass player of the Plasmatics house. Do you know anything about that? Would you blame Chosei in any way had that been the heroin that killed Todd?

Jetboy: This is something we are not too sure of enough to comment on

indiemusicreviews.net Did Todd's Parents sue Slash? If so what happened with that?

Jetboy: I don't think so. It says in the book they had him investigated.

indiemusicreviews.net Did you ever see a police report about this?

Jetboy: No, but It sure would be interesting to see. With how things are today, twenty years later, I'm sure many questions about Todd's death could be answered.

indiemusicreviews.net What would you say to Slash if you saw him today?

Jetboy: Hmmm, that's a tough one for us. It would be nice to have something positive said about Todd after all these years and all these drug stories. At the end of all this, we lost a good friend who just took things a little too far and could not handle it. As for Slash, shame on you for going down this road with your "best friend" Todd, and for all the shit you've said about Jetboy on your way to the top and back down. Fuck you! Why don't you say It to our faces?

How is that the most disgusting thing you've read on this board?  All he did was basically present the cliffnotes version of the book!  Could have saved me a few hours if I would have known about this post earlier.

It's a suburb in the north west of London. Nice cozy area.  :)

That's a popular misconception. I never said that.
And no need for the f word.  ;)  I've been to Hampstead/belsize park a hundred times, which is nothing to do Slash's book. 

are you fuckin' idiot or what ?

are you REALLY criticizing orthographic mistakes ?

do you think that Slash WROTE THE BOOK EDITION ?

Slash is a fuckin' liar because he spells an I instead an U  :hihi:

/Pathetic

man please help me with my bible, I really think that book have a various mistakes too.

 ::)

Is the book aimed at GN'R fans to "set the record straight" without doing so?






/jarmo

Yes, the Bible tells us in the "New Testament" to turn the other cheek.  Jarmo, time to forgive the people you dislike strongly.

Holy shit!

That was the weirdest post I've seen in a while.





/jarmo

 :rofl:  Jarmo, just trying to lighten the mood.. hahaha

"Reading the Bible" Starts now!

nope, in that video part thats a small "crossfade" done by the gnr crew - live (on-the-fly) editing. there is an audience audio recording which fits this timeline exactly, meaning: Slash's words came right after axl leaving just like seen in the professional videoclip above.