Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Hey guys,

would you please help us get GN'R back?
We know this request might be too crazy but I'm sure you don't mind to help us, anyway... : ok:

http://www.petitiononline.com/gunsrose/petition.html

Thanks a lot!! :peace:

Sorry but after reading what I could of it, I'm not signing it. For one its not an offical petetion. And second I don't see GNR and Velvet Revolver playing before or after each other on the same night. Maybe different nights. Sorry.
amy.

Just signed! : ok:

Oh pelase, c'mon...
It's only a petition made by a fan, which will be sent to the R.I.R. website.
What's the problem with helping other fans from another country? I don't get it...
And, YES, it will be impossible to have all those bands together at the same event,
but at least they will see what bands people are willing to watch live here.
Because this is suppose to be a rock n' roll event, we don't see the point in having Ivete Sangalo, Alejandro Sanz or Juanes in it! It's almost absurd to think about it... :(

Thank you, very much! :beer:

I`m portuguese, i want to see them again at RIR 2008! LOL
For the person who made the petition, please, identify yourself at the petition site, they are asking for you to do it

Oh I didn't know about that, but I'll talk to him as soon as possible.

Not Official? What do you want? A petition made by Axl?
You don't see GNR and VR playing on the same night? That's what the petition's for...

I`m portuguese, i want to see them again at RIR 2008! LOL
For the person who made the petition, please, identify yourself at the petition site, they are asking for you to do it

Hello... i'm portuguese to ... and i'm the one o made this petition some month ago. At the begining i did not sent my identification, so they blocked the link.
I already sent my identification, a long time ago, that's why the petition it's still online ... i don't know why that messege still's there...

But... what does it matters? It's just a fan petition to send to RIR 2008 organization ... so...? : ok:

I don't understand why you want VR to be there as the opening act. Unless you think there'll be a "GN'R reunion" there?



The petition itself I could understand, we all wanna see GN'R! But then you start wishing for VR to be there and it's just too much....

Sorry, but I think it went from something I could understand to just stupid.





/jarmo

yeah we go around planing tours an shows now huh.if that was easy i would demand a philly show first !
come on get a grip with this.ive herd everything but pettions now for shows.does axl even have a clue to this nonsense.

It's just a wish, we're not demanding anything to anyone.
A petition can be also a sugestion and it can also help the organization to see that rock bands should be the main part of this event with its fans, and not just the artists that they insist to put there in our face, as if they have anything to do with a rock festival.
If you send emails to them, they will respond and thank you for your sugestion, do you know that?
But if we think of having some impact to demonstrate what we don't really like in a rock event, that can be a petition, I guess.
And, Jarmo, Guns N' Roses are our favorite band. Other bands in the petition are only some other sugestions, to show them what people would like to see.
If you don't like the idea... just don't sign anything at all. Fine. But you shouldn't offend anyone. : ok:

I'm "offended" that somebody would use the GN'R name to get GN'R fans to sign a petition which isn't just about getting GN'R to play.




/jarmo

lol You don't need to be so dramatic! Relax...  :P

 I always have reservations when my Email is asked for.... I am thinking SPAM or SCAM. Sorry my name and email are for myself and the people I want to know it.

Right, real nice excuse... like you don't have your emails available for others to see them in your profile... ;)

Guys, if you don't like the idea, it's fine, really. Just delete the damn topic and sorry for any "stupid" unconvenience.

People, you need to calm down.  There is no malicious intent in the petition.  I think something may be getting a bit lost in translation due to a language issue.  It's simply a petition for people who want to see the bands they love.  It is also a valid site as I have signed many petitions that came from there, it is not spam or an e-mail collector in any way. 

Granted I don't think VR and GNR will ever be playing on the same bill but I don't think any harm was intended by it at all.   :peace:

i hate petitions like this.. they are just so meaningless!
Gnr will play whateveer they will when they are ready!

Do you really think GNR, is not able to set up theyr own concerts... sorry.. dont like stuff like this..

 Its not an excuse petitions are notorious for being a cover for spam!! It's easy to grab a bunch of emails that are willfully submitted. So I am always wary of such things.

Use of Email Addresses
We will never sell your email address, or otherwise release it to a third-party except with your permission (as above) or under subpoena or other legal order, except that specific email addresses may be communicated to outside parties as we deem necessary in actions to stop abuse of these forums.

http://www.petitiononline.com/privacy-pets.html

 You are way into this... I never once trashed the idea of the petition... I just am wary of such things. I had all my emails hacked into once... so for myself I prefer to protect myself. Those addresses on my profile are old also.... they were the ones that got hacked, I have not used them for years.

I'm only responding because I see a girl in this thread getting trashed on over something so innocuous as wanting to see GNR play in her country. 

i'll second that. she wants to see them play in her own country...that's a pretty good idea....give her a break...

Yay... so many portuguese people down here! How cool!  ;D

Anyway... I signed this many months ago, although I know it ain?t gonna happen. Velvet will be in Lisbon early next year and I doubt they?ll come again by the summer. As to Metallica, I?m almost 100% sure they?ll play RiR 2008 with a new album coming. As to Guns... well... they were here in the last RiR edition and unless by then the album is released, I don?t see a reason they?d come again to the festival. But I?d love to see them here again anytime.

And god... what?s the damn problem with this petition? It doesn?t say these three bands will play in the same day does it? Relax guys.... what has to happen will happen eventually, being the reunion or not... it ain?t this petition that will define whether it will happen or not.

Metallic a and velvet?

Why not make it just for gnr appearance?

anyways if my memory serves me correctly, the chief of RIR officially said they wanted GNR to play in the next RIR last year.

yeahh  its true!!!   :hihi:

No sign, I dont want VR, I dont want a riot...

put the damn album out and forget more live shows..they already played  a million shows already..dont be greedy

Well, if the petition was my idea, I wouldn't probably put so many bands on it.
But the whole idea came from a bunch of people in other board, so it this was the general opinion to the petition.
That would be like a dream to have all those bands together, it wil never happen, but another GN'R show is our main goal. We love them, it was an amazing show 2 years ago. That's why. :)
But I don't recall Medina saying that they will play again. If it is so, which I really wish for, only God knows... No news about it yet.

But thanks for understanding me (the one's who did). Really appreciate your words.
I know the guy who wrote the petition, there's nothing? wrong with it, really.
But you don't know me at all, so I guess you have the right no to be comfortable with it. That's ok. :)

For those who really want to help and already did it, thanks once again. ;)

:peace:

I think having the two bands play like that is just asking for some kind of backstage fight or something of the like.

If you know anything about what's happened in the last few years in the GN'R world, you'd figure out not to lump GN'R together with that band.

You might as well put The Beatles and Elvis in the petition too.




/jarmo

I'm the one o created this petition and, although I did not create this topic, I feel the obligation to explain some things and i hope you understand my poor English ...

I spent more than a half of my life being a GN'R fan, so i don't accept from anyone lessons about "how to be a fan", that's why i need to say some things:

So, what's the problem with this petition, after all? Which part don't you understand?

This is just a petition to get GN'R into RIR 2008... If you feel betrayed or if you think that I am just using GN'R to bring VR and Metallica to RIR 2008, than, you can't be more wrong.

I'm not a VR fan and i even hate Scott. I like Metallica but i wouldn't make a petition for them.

This is the part where you ask me: "So, why did you made a petition for those three bands?"

Simple. A did it for the show.
I think that RIR shoud be an even bigger event. I think that the shows should be even better. I think that the bands can't continue to be chosen in any way. I think there must be a framework and a solid criterion for choosing a band ... That?s why i passed by my own personal preferences ... That's why i had come to the conclusion that the combination of these three bands could result in an event of a larger scale.

I didn't make this petition, in this way, to have a GN'R reunion ... i like very much the new band and I think that is fine as it is ... but I understand that most fans would like to see, at the same event, GN'R and some members from the old band, such as Slash or Duff, even if they were not playing together ... Yes, it would be stupid to try a reunion of the entire old band in this way, but that's not what this petition's for...

Why did I put metallica at the same petition, too? It seems quite obvious to me. Anyone doubts about the grandeur of the last GN'R + Metallica tour?

For those who refuse to participate in the petition because they find impossible to have GNR and VR on the same event, let me just remind you that the petition is not directed to the bands, but to the organization of RIR ... Obvious shows do not need petitions ... The purpose of a petition is precisely to lead to the organization of the event the opinion of the masses ... to show them what people wants, even if it is something seemingly impossible.

For those who feel offended just because this petiton includes other bands, and for those who refuse to sign it because of that, let me just say ... I'm the one o feel offended, as a fan, , knowing that there are other "fans" who refuse to sign a petition to GN'R? regardless of they're reasons.

I do it in an unconditional way ... If there was a petition for GN'R + Bullshit, I would sign it for GN'R...

Frankly, I do not understand all this drama around a simple petition ... if you want to sign it, do it... else, don't do it.

Nobody will spam your mail-box? :rofl:

So you don't understand when somebody says that by adding those two bands, you ruined the petition?

Your priority is to get GN'R to play at the festival (which I'm sure the organizers would love too considering the history they have with GN'R) but you want them to share the bill with a band like VR who hasn't exactly been "pro-GN'R". There's plenty of other bands out there who would deserve to play for a bunch of GN'R fans more than VR.

As I said, I understand you wanting GN'R to play in your city again.




/jarmo

yea dude you'd just have more success if you just made it about GnR.   : ok: 

Hopefully if they do play 2008, they don't fuck up the soundboard mix on the live broadcast.  that last one was horrid :(   amazing show tho.

If i'll see any petition online for GN'R and any of those bands, i will sign it ?: ok:

You should've been there with us, JimBob, where the sound was... GREAAAT!!? :yes: :beer:

if they play 2008 i'd really try to make it for that.    i saw some clips that were shot from the audience and the sound was great there.

07 sound great , better then in 01. Hope like hell they play in 08.

2001 rio was one of the best shows the band has ever done, ever....it was way better than 06'

I don't know ... The band seemed more tighter at the 06 show.   Ah fuck it both shows kick ass.

oh, i liked the 06' show, dont get me wrong. but the 01' show was much more emotional , unpredictable and i thought the band was on fire....not to take anything away from the 06' show...

I think performance wise, 2006 wins.   The band was much tighter at that show.  But if you are watching the DVD's you're going to think 2001 is better because the sound isn't mutilated.  2001 also had that mystique about it where it was new.   Both great moments in GNR history imo.

yeah, in 2006 the sound was only mutilated on TV, which had nothing to do with the live sound, at the concert. ;)

Yeah the web broadcast  was all jacked up . Not a good representation of the event.

It was "Sic Radical" channel's fault. Not only on the broadcast, but on TV too.
I don't if it happened during the whole day of the event, but I have GN'R and The Darkness (who performed before GN'R) videos of each concert and the sound killed me...
But, fortunately, it wasn't the case at the show. 8)

Crygirl if you want to get more sign for GNR in madrid next year, delete the VR thing..

Sorry, no sign up. I can't wait to see the band again, but I really want the album before they do so. Anything else is in the meantime is a distraction.

Can't blame people for trying, but petitions are generally quite ineffective.  I've lost track of the number of petitions I've seen trying to get Manowar to come back to the UK, and its not happened.

It would would probably be more effective to write directly to the orginisers and get more people to do it independantly.

Sorry to insist but, as a Gunner, i'm a believer ... and i think it's possible ... If I didn't believe i wouldn't be for 16 years awaiting for an album and had not waited 14 years to see a live show.

That's way i signed this petition... i belive.

You guys are asking to take VR and Metallica of this petition... it seems that you didn't get in which context this petition was made... don't forget that this is a petition to RIR...? If you want to take those bands out of this petition, then the petition will make no sense? ... It would make more sense to do a petition to get a GN'R Tour only in Stadiums, far from festivals... an album it's required to to that? ;)

why?  ???

Sorry but I am not interested in seeing VR there. That's like wanting to make things awkward.

... and it seems to me that you are not interessed in seeing GN'R too...

Sorry guys, but i can't understand how some people self-called fans can refuse to sign a petiton to get GN'R in RIR...

Just imagine that Mr. Medina could get GN'R and VR in RIR, at the same day....  you would refuse to go to the show due to VR?  ???

I was one of the fortunate one's who experienced 06 live, it was by far a great show, and I must say the best sounding I have ever attended.  The music was so loud and clear, standing there u could litteraly feel the music within, unfortunately I can't compare it to 01 cuz I wasn't there.

Because having GNR play RIR does nothing for us american fans...how about signing a petition to release the album~

I got to say I'm on the same side as these guys. Why Velvet Revolver playing on the same night?


I know this is just a fan made petition to be sent to the Rock In Rio site and it's not a big deal, etc ... but why even bother wasting your time on something as unpractical as this. As soon as the Rock in Rio staff receives it, they will hit the delete button because as you stated,


If your friend is going to put a petition together, have it be for something that actually has a chance of happening and will be taken seriously. And if the petition is to have more rock music at Rock in Rio, why not state that instead of beating around the bush by suggesting that Velvet Revolver play the same day as GNR? This just seems too unfocused to be taken seriously. Also, you might want to suggest to your friend to touch up the English a bit b/c a casual fan that speaks only English who happens to come across this won't have any idea what this petition is trying to get across. Just some suggestions ...


 -= iZZbo =-

Thank's a lot for your cooperation, mate ...

If my belly button was the center of the world, i never would have done this petition (i don't even like VR that much) ... I would have done a petition to get GNR playing in my home, exclusively.

I am very surprised with the selfishness that some fans showed at this thread...   :rant:


Send me the link ... i will sign it?
Btw ... a petition directed to who? To Axl himself? Ridiculous...


I have to tell you that RIR will happen in Portugal and Spain ... that's why this petition was drafted in Portuguese ... the text that is written in English is the result of an automatic translation, as it is noted at the end of that same text..... i didn't translated it...

But you still have some reason ... do you know why my english it's not that good? Because i'm portuguese ... that's why ... and because i have to know portuguese and....  english, french, spanish, italian ... if you know why i mean...

btw... what does "b/c" means, in good english?  :P

Thank's for your suggestions anyway...

I'm not dissing you or you English skills, just trying to help your cause (I guess that is where email and message boards fail, it is hard to convey the context in which you are speaking). Hell, I can only fluently speak one language, so you have me beat. I thought the more people that signed your petition the better and wasn't aware that you only intended on having local residents sign the petition. The way I see it is we all benefit if GNR plays Rio again. I was just pointing out that a lot of the translation didn't make sense, and if a English speaking user was browsing petitions and came across it, they might ignore it rather than sign it b/c of the confusion, that was all.

 -= iZzBo =-

BS. I'd definitely skip the opener. I could even skip the fes and see other GNR shows instead.

But that won't happen and it's not the reason I can't agree to this petition.

It's nothing to do with selfishness.
If you think everyone is obliged to help you to see your fav bands at once at your local festival, you're selfish.
Imagine if a German girl insists that every GNR fan should sign on a petition she draws up for her dearest TOKIO hotel's Rock Am Ring appearance alongside of GNR and?..actually I wouldn't mind signing for this one tho..

I just can't see the 3 in one idea being acceptable to either band. You might not mean it but it's rather like harassing them. Isn't it selfish not to show consideration for the bands?

signed it! :) i'm number 198 :peace:

In U.S.A. you have many opportunities to see GNR live ... in the rest of the world it's not like that ... i think it is a little bit selfish if a fan, who has so many opportunities to see GNR live, don't cares with all the fans in the world who don't have the same opportunities ... I would like to see the band touring around the world again, playing for all the fans ...


I don't think like that... i don't even asked you that ....
You are not obliged to do nothing ... you are a U.S.  free citizen  : ok:


This is beginning to become comic ...

This is just a petition to RIR ... If RIR's organization find this idea interesting, they only have to contact the bands whom are free to accept or not ... if anyone isn't showing any consideration for those bands, isn't me ... i respect them... i would like to see them ... i signed the petition ...

Lol that was? kinda? selfish but ok.? : ok:

 I don?t see whats the whole problem of this petition guys... just slow down. Rock in Rio is a festival which lasts some 4 days with many bands playing in it. Just because Velvet are on the petition it doesn?t mean they will play in the same day as Guns! Just think about it, for me and many people having those two bands in the same festival, even in different days would be just fucking awesome! As to Metallica, I?ve seen them some months ago and all I can say is that it was (and I?m not a fan) the best show I?ve ever been too. So I?m really looking forward to see them also on RiR as they were in 2004.? ;)

lol don?t worry mate... it?s just that everything in here has always to be so damn complicated.  :hihi:

Done, CryGirl!
 : ok:

 :rofl: :beer:

lol if I were you I would add some words on that.  ;)

you're pretty fucking selfish.

and petition the record company.  not axl.

I didn't really wanted to say "at the same event", sorry. Just not the same -day-, that's what I wanted to say.
At the same event, I believe it is possible. :yes:

Anyway, thanks to the ones who decided to help. Don't forget to join us at the event... in case we get lucky!? :hihi:
 :peace:

I don't think there would be a riot, as long as Axl can stay calm and "mature."

Though, Axl wants NOTHING AT ALL to do with the original band, obviously. I doubt it will ever happen, but all the more power to you for making the petition. :]

I signed it CryGirl ... hopefully the RIR peeps will see the interest in having them back! If they do, let's just hope the broadcast doesn't have as shitty of a mix as the 2006 show. ?;D

 -= iZzBo =- :peace:

I want a petition to have Guns n Roses open for the upcoming Led Zep tour!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Ok... i'm FUCKING SELFISH ...? ?:no:
I think you just don't know what are you talking about... but, that's ok ...


 :rofl:


I agree mostly with you ...

... but i think you are wrong about the purpose of this petition ... It is obvious that if GNR doesn't release Chd in the next few month, following that release with a tour, then it would make no sense to have GNR at RIR2008.... with or without VR .... neither you and me are able to say if ChD will be released? soon ... but, if RIR organization find the idea interesting and contact the band, they will certainly get some conclusions .... this is just a petition .... It is not an obligation for the band to get in RIR if it isn't viable...


Cultural shock? :hihi:

petition for what?

The next gig without the cd.great : ok:

Do you always sign a paper without checking what it says? That's quite risky.

In this case, it says


It would be a lie if I signed as I obviously don't think like this. whatever the 'preintentions' might be.


It's already comical. That's why petitions aren't taken seriously.

Judging from the history the organization probably has sounded out GNR about 08 show.
And GNR will be there if their schedule allows them.

So this petition is simply for the other two bands. 

1st ... this is not a paper ... just a damn petition
2nd ... This does not require your official signature
3rd ... be careful ... if you sign the petition someone can withdraw all your money from your bank account? :hihi:


Lol... who knows?? :P Automatically translated text:? :hihi:? "claims" it's the word




you are damn right... but, again: it's just a petition...


wtf? :rofl:

What makes you think that the organization has not contacted those bands already?

are you trolling or just don't know what the word 'always' means?


You do. you speak Portuguese don't you? If that's wrongly translated, why don't you re translate it properly?


Nothing makes me think the organization would contact one of the 2. Unless the band made an offer.
Is there anything that makes you think they have?

If so what this petition for? To make vr play just before GNR?
It just doesn't make sense. neither do your replies.

I was just joking, of course.... And you? what were you doing? Don't you know "international language"? this is a smile:? :hihi:


Oh... sorry, i haven't noticed that i was talking with Mr. Perfect.
Guess why... because i didn't saw that error, that's why ...? the petition was mostly directed to portuguese fans...


Neither do yours...
I can't understand why all this aggression just because of a petition ...? :no:

Seeing your confused replies, it's not surprising that you couldn't make sense of my posts.
You did imply that the translation was not correct. You did imply that every GNR fan should sign it.
and when you get retorted, you forget what you said.
Can't you be just a bit more serious?

Now in this thread it is not just aimed at Portuguese speakers.

Ok, man... you're right and i'm wrong...

here's what you get:

(http://www.gruposoberana.com.br/index_imagens/Premios.jpg)

... are you happy now?  : ok:

... it's just a damn petition.  :no:

lol give it a rest. this is how it works here. they don?t get it and you won?t get nowhere here with this. lol sad but true... you know what I mean?  ;)

and ppbebe I?m almost like 100% sure that Metallica will be playing next year?s RiR (they were already in the 04 one and when they came to Lisbon in June this year they stated they?d come back next year to promote their upcoming album)... so I?m sure they have already been contacted. The only band I don?t see playing in RiR (at least the Lisbon one) is Velvet Revolver. Guess by next summer they will just play some English fests or something... But who knows? Let?s wait and see!

The petition was sent today to RIR2008 organization

Thanks to those who participated

keep signing  : ok:

please send also individual mails to the Rock In Rio Organizations, demanding GNR in The bill

contacto@rockinrio-lisboa.sapo.pt

I remember that last year, the RIR organization justified th GNR presence in the event due to massive requests from the audience.

We can bring them to RIR onceagain