Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Let it be known that I have all faith in Axl and this band, and I do believe there is finished music waiting to be released. What I'm beginning to question is whether or not what we've been waiting for is actually the album known as Chinese Democracy. The 06 tour was the last mention of that name, with the 07 leg simply being dubbed "World Tour 2007." Axl and the guys in the band don't generally refer to the album by title, and now we've got Baz saying there are multiple albums awaiting a potentially strategic release pattern. I think there was a Chinese Democracy at one time, and I think a lot of those songs have been re-worked by the current line up to make this new album, but I don't think this new album will be Chinese Democracy, at least not what we perceived Chinese Democracy to be. Nine Inch Nails was all set with an album of material and a concept behind it, Bleedthrough, but sometimes an artist will simply change their mind and want to go a different route. Axl's been held to delivering a Chinese Democracy for so long by the fans, but I think what will ultimately result from the "most expensive album ever recorded" will actually be several albums, none of them that said album. Take this cryptic posting over on Blabbermouth:

COMMENT |
posted by : stipple
11/14/2007 9:51:30 PM    
   
I'm good friends with someone in Axl's camp and he assured me that Axl will be releasing an album of new music (which will NOT be titled Chinese Democracy) in April (May at the latest) 2008.
Additional albums of new music will follow with intervals of 6 to 9 months. This albums will not be linked by any particular concept. Can't wait!

I'm not saying it's news and I'm not saying I buy it. I am saying it fits in line with what I've come to believer what Baz apparently believes, and makes the most sense considering the fact this material is most likely done, mastered, and in the hands of the label. A strategic marketing campaign for the comeback ALBUMS of one of the biggest rock bands in history can't be that easy a task, especially in 2007 with the industry pretty much waiting to die.

Think about it.

when its ready, it will come out.

Did you read my post or just the thread title? I said I'm certain it's already finished and awaiting the proper release strategy.

I have always said i would not be surprised at all if the album comes out titled as something else.

Considering that April/May would be a good time to release a record (in my opinion at least!), when you put that together with what Baz said...

 :drool:

Stipple may just have done that and nothing more. ?::)

*edit*

By the way, 6-9 months between albums doesn't sound realistic to me... But that's just how I feel.

I don't give a damn what they call the album.  It'll be out eventually, hopefully sooner than later, and what it's called is immaterial at least in my opinion

I hear ya at this point the title does not mean too much.

Im saying its bogus the album will be called Chinese Democracy.

i read the whole post.

This is all contrary to what Baz has said or hinted.....everything, except the release months (never mentioned by him) which are probably completely fabricated to make common sense.

A bunch of BS.

Cd will be the name of the album. wouldn't make sense to change it now.

Even if they did change the title ,People would just start asking were the hell is that Chinese Democracy album?

Since we're discussing the album title,maybe Axl will title the album Fuck The Fans,just kidding  :smoking:

How about just Guns N' Roses?  I think that or W.A.R would be the perfect album title.....

yeah, regardless of what is said, i think Chinese Democracy is a name that a lot of people know so it wouldn't be wise to change it now.

It seems like the name Chinese democracy now has some baggage - some associate the name with a mythical album, something like Smile was for the Beach Boys. Think about all the expectations associated with the name, how do you live up to that? Calling it something different may take away some of the stigma.

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Well done mate! But, unlike me, some will still try and argue that "The Band" didn't call it "The Chinese Democracy" tour. They will then argue that they couldn't give a fuck what the tour was called cause Axl always puts on a kick ass show. Then they will say I am not a true GNR fan, e.t.c.....yawn, yawn and yawn. Blah, blah, blah.

I agree dude. Any publicity is good publicity. There are negative vibes attached to the name due to the ridiculous amount of time it has been in the making but there is also the whole "mystery factor". It's become infamous almost. And that could equal big sales.....

You have a point....

Maybe it is even better not to release an album titled 'Chinese Democracy'...
why not: 1. it will never live up to the expectations it think (it allready a legendary album just because of the hype...) - I find it cooler to keep it as a 'myth', the Guns album never made... 2. it is a stupid titel  ;D

So bring out three other great albums as fast as possible, I am hungry for new GN'R stuff!!

everytime baz mentions that he has heard axl's music he says something along the lines like "i've heard chinese democracy and it's actually 4 albums worth of material" and stuff like that..when he spoke about the general he said that axl had told him that different songs relates to each other wich kinda says that there are some kind of concept right?

the only thing IMO that speaks against calling the album Chinese Democracy would be axl's comment on their website:

I love your no.2 point. I agree. It IS a fucking stupid title.... Piss it off!

i don't really care what the albums gonna be called. As long there is some cool music on it! like the demo's showed, it's gonna be great. I remember first listening to Better and beeing blowed away by the middle sequence! The ending to with the na na naaa na thing. Great! And ofcourse madagascar with the raw vocals, and then there was a time with killer solo's and the new cool intro.....let's not forget Chinese Democracy with the cool intro! Ofcourse the album will come out, he probably put a decade of work in the whole project? It's not likely to throw that all away. We'll just have to wait a little bit longer, so what. I still enjoy Better, CD, Madagascar, IRS, and TWAT demo's every fucking day!  :D

I raised the Australia issue before and it was made quite clear by the experts on the forum that the use of the term "Chinese Democracy" in  Australia was all just a terrible mistake.

yeah... i don't give a damn if its called "chinese democracy".... "anus wars"... "apettite for disillusion"... or whatever the fuck axl can come up with. RELEASE SOMETHING.  :hihi:

you must've missed the memo, where if your opinion doesn't suit, then you're wrong!

 :peace:

Yeah because some of you are so thick headed that you won't believe anything you're told.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1795

Guns N' Roses have announced that their 2007 World Tour will begin June 2 in Monterrey, Mexico.




/jarmo

why call people names like "thick-headed," especially if he/she is right. part of the 2007 tour was promoted as the "chinese democracy tour" for better for worse. that is just a fact. see press release :

The first leg of the Chinese Democracy World Tour 2007 will see performances in Japan, Thailand, South Africa, South America, Mexico, Australia, and New Zealand. The band was listed as Axl Rose, Robin Finck, Ron Thal and Richard Fortus on guitars, Tommy Stinson on bass, Dizzy Reed and Chris Pitman on keyboards and Frank Ferrer on drums. Brain Mantia was not mentioned, leading many fans to believe that he has left the band. On February 23, 2007, Del James announced that Chinese Democracy's recording stage was finished, and the band had now moved onto mixing the album. However, this proved that the March 6 release date would be impossible to achieve, and the album once again had no scheduled release date.



The Chinese Democracy Tour Australia


Believe the hype. Guns 'N Roses are back. The Chinese Democracy World Tour and another awesome moment in musical history is upon us. Sit down, strap in and hold on?? it's gonna be one hell of a ride.

After 14 years, the biggest and baddest band in the world, the rock'n'roll machine known as Guns N' Roses, is set to return to Australian shores in June as part of their mammoth Chinese Democracy World Tour. Fans attending can expect to hear GN'R classics like "Welcome To The Jungle", "November Rain", "Patience" and "Sweet Child O' Mine" along with blistering new songs from the band's forthcoming Chinese Democracy album like "Madagascar," "IRS," and "Better."

This will be the first time Australian audiences have seen the band since their legendary 1993 performances at Eastern Creek in Sydney (71,000 tickets sold) and Calder Park in Melbourne (66,000 tickets sold), and this time, fans in Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide will get to witness the spectacular that is Guns N' Roses for the first time ever.

Coming full circle, Guns 'N Roses' special guests for the entire tour will be none other than former Skid Row singer, the irrepressible Sebastian Bach and Australia's own Rose Tattoo.

Lead vocalist W. Axl Rose, guitarists Robin Finck, Ron 'Bumblefoot' Thal and Richard Fortus, bassist Tommy Stinson, keyboard players Dizzy Reed and Chris Pitman, and drummer Frank Ferrer are a rock 'n' roll spectacular that have to be experienced to be believed.

Because I've been saying one thing for months.

The band did not call the 2007 shows the CD tour.

People keep posting Australian posters and claiming otherwise.

Then you're not listening to what I'm saying and you're acting thick headed. It's logic.

As far as I remember, you were one of those who kept insisting on it and I see you're posting a press release from THE PROMOTER to "prove" your point.



Why do you need to argue about it? It wasn't the Chinese Democracy 2007 tour. Why not just accept it?


It's like if I tell you "I call this section Dead Horse" and then you say "but I read on this other site that it's really called Dead Whores".

I correct you but you still keep insisting it's really called that because somebody else says so!

Don't you see the stupidity in that?







/jarmo

im sorry ...i dont work for the gnr camp, so i dont call others "stupid" or reply to anything and everything out there that the camp does not agree with.....i work for a living and i cant be on the site 24/7 like you, so i cant reply to everything....it seems to be you never leave your house and dont have a real job, so thats cool....

Answer the question instead of trying to insult me.


If you wanna fucking argue with me, let's do it.

But as usual, once you don't have anything to say, you go for the insults.

You know nothing about me and I couldn't care less where you live, what book signing was in your neighborhood or what your financial status is.


How fucking lame can you get?




/jarmo

i sure as hell know you dont care about me and that's no problem. and of course, as usual, i know you will have to get the last jab in because this is your website, you never leave your house, etc...so, i wont even respond to what you say next. i dont use profanity, either....i just state the facts, whether beta likes them or not (or, dont worry bro, i have an idea)..you have no clue how die hard i am and how much i've spent over the last 20 years following and supporting this band around the world with my own money...you have no clue, nor do i care that you do or dont....so, you go respond to this post and get the last jab in and i wont respond..its all you....

And you know this how?

I'm really touched by the way you care where I go and when!





Of course you won't because you don't have anything to add or you can't answer the question!

So you try to insult me.

Guess what, it's not working!



Aren't you a saint?

Do you want some kind of reward for behaving?



Why do you keep ignoring my question?





"Die hard"? Is that another way of saying "bitter"? It sure seems so.


I know you spent a lot of money on the band and travels.

Because you keep BRINGING IT UP TIME AFTER TIME!


So what? A lot of fans aren't in that kind of position to spend money on flying abroad to see their favorite band.

You should feel fortunate.



You seem to think you deserve some kind of special treatment because you chose to spend money on plane tickets and concert tickets.

Didn't you attend the acoustic show in London?

Never mind, you're not gonna answer because you're above all this.  :rofl:




/jarmo

what is this supposed to mean?
that the band owes you?

i spent a small fortune of my own cash too...flights to Europe, accomodation and flights for two canceled shows....that's what we, as fans do. If you're unhappy about it, just don't do it. No one is forcing you to do it.

Perhaps it is you who is the "Thick Head"? You claim "the band didn't want it called that". Well too fucking bad. All the written evidence in Australia suugests it was the "Chinese Democracy World Tour". Hell, Axl even played a couple of new songs, shock horror. Maybe he should have taken the opportunity at anyone of 7 or 8 shows down under to explain to the paying public and apologies if they were mislead buy the company promoting HIS show.

Give yourself some negative karma for the name calling...

Read what I said. It's pretty simple and it doesn't matter what you called the tour. I'm only saying what the band called it.

Your "evidence" is from the promoter, go deal with your anger with them.




/jarmo

I agree. its hypocritical to give others negative karma for doing the same thing that you do. but anyway, its not my website. oh, and if it makes you feel better, how bout a press release from gunsnroses.com about the name of the 2007 tour. i really could care less about the name of a tour. i just want a tour and like waxlrick, im not angry about the name of a tour....i just want a tour...but for some reason, you keep harping on the name of the tour and tell everyone who disagrees with you that they are "thick-headed." oh, here's a link and the actual press release from gunsnroses.com. im sure your gonna say its not real or something.....http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061128&content_id=pr1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp


PRESS RELEASE:
WEDNESDAY NIGHT'S GUNS N' ROSES SHOW IN MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN IS CANCELLED

Recent Articles:

? Japan tour ends on high note in Osaka
? Guns N' Roses: Live at Budokan
? GN'R tour of Japan rolls on
? Charity auction a great success
? GN'R typhoon hits Japan
? Guns N' Roses Live Earth Press Release
The Guns N' Roses concert scheduled for Milwaukee's Bradley Center on November 29 has been cancelled due to illness. Guns N' Roses front man Axl Rose is suffering from an ear infection and strep throat.

Rose was first diagnosed with the ear infection on the 20th of November in Halifax, Nova Scotia. He was seen again by a doctor last night following the band's show in Chicago and ordered to rest for a few days.

The tour will continue as scheduled Friday night in Ames, Iowa at Hilton Coliseum.

Axl Rose commented, "We had a great show in Chicago tonight and had hoped to do a surprise acoustic show afterwards. I have been fighting this off for a long time but the doctor told me tonight that the only way not to jeopardise the balance of the tour is immediate rest. We will now have 3 days off before continuing Friday. We are sorry to miss the fans in Milwaukee."

Ticket refunds are available at point-of-purchase locations. For the latest dates and information on the Guns N' Roses Chinese Democracy world tour, click here.

Great of you to post a press release about the 2006 tour. Great!

Do you want a cookie?



You're the one posting shit about the name and attacking me! Your insults aimed at me are so lame....


I've kept telling you guys the truth and you just keep going on and on about it.

I don't care about the name, all I care about is people knowing the truth.

A few of you just like to point out what the Australian promoter did. The fact remains, it didn't come from GN'R.

Why can't you accept it?



You seem to have a history of trying to prove GN'R wrong....




Funny.


Honestly, what's your real problem with me? As far as I know, I didn't piss in your cereal.

Give me a list because this is getting ridiculous and pretty sad.

You follow me around telling everybody "you're not the only one who has connections" and shit like that.



Thanks.





/jarmo

i had to respond because of the hypocracy you continually engage in. a lot of people here are insulted by you and they are afraid to respond. well, i don't like when others attack others and i'll speak out...just admit you are wrong here. you wanted a pr from the band and i gave it to you. now that i gave it to you, you go off topic and don't deal with the facts...well, actually, that doesnt surprise me...

I'll admit when I'm wrong, but I'm not wrong in this case.

Of course people are insulted when I'm calling them thick headed because talking to some of you is like talking to a fucking wall.


But you insulting me personally is fine I assume?



I go off topic? Where? This comes from the guy who starts telling me I never go out and how he had to work etc. Hello?


As far as I know, GN'R played in Mexico, Australia, New Zealand and Japan in 2007. So it doesn't matter how many press releases from 2006 you post.

Did you know the 2002 tour had the Chinese Democracy name? Does that mean every tour after that has the same name?



So please give me that list of your reasons for this childish animosity you have. A PM is fine. Thanks.




/jarmo

During the whole 'The new band isn't Guns N' Roses' debate which arises pretty much everywhere, people always state this:
"My ticket stub says 'Guns N' Roses', so that's what they are".
Well my ticket stubs also say 'Chinese Democracy World Tour'. So that's what I'm taking it as.
I could care less if it was the bands decision, or the promotors, but that's what the tour was billed as.
And also, for such a notoriously picky band I can't believe they would have let the promotor use the name if they didn't want it.

Nope
What people would state was that
The band calls itself guns n roses right along so that what they are.  who are you to claim otherwise.
And the band called their tour Guns N Roses world tour 2007 so..

I personally don't care what it was billed as but that's the fact.

And sometimes tickets say Guns & Roses, Guns N Roses, Guns 'N Roses, Guns And Roses..... You get the picture....



/jarmo

exactly true. i mean, no one but us internet nerds know what "Chinese Democracy" is. the promoters have no idea. they wouldnt call a tour "chinese democracy" out of thin air....they get it from the band....and gnr have tight and total control over how it presents itself to the public. they have been that way since the beginning....they do everything and i mean everything their own way.....its pretty simple....

actually, no i dont get the picture. thing is, on all of my stubs its says "guns n' roses" i have never seen it spelled those ways, but it doesnt matter. let say it has been spelled those ways...ok, but it does say guns n roses or some form on the ticket, it is on the ticket, ..its spelled out...we know what it means, who they are....the stubs say "chinese democracy world tour " on them....we know what that means....there is no variation of spelling...bottom line: its on the ticket, we know what it means....are you saying it was a mispelling , a mistake, a typo that "chinese democracy world tour " was printed on the tickets??

who care if it was their by mistake or on purpose . Is it really that big of a fucking deal?


I know I didn't go to any of the shows cause I thought an album was coming out . I went to see the best rock band on the planet live and that is what I got.

i couldnt care either. i agree with everything you said. this thread got a bit off track.....

I haven't been to as many shows as you, but not all my tickets say Guns N' Roses.

For example, all my US tickets say Guns N Roses...

The first GN'R show I ever attended  had tickets that said Guns 'N' Roses.

Just saying, tickets aren't always 100% correct.  :hihi:

Not that it matters, just pointing out that I wouldn't have even brought it up if I didn't know it for a fact that sometimes the ticket companies get the artists' names wrong.







No, I'm saying what I've been saying all along and some of you refuse to listen to.

Just because the Australian promoter called it that and they put it on the tickets, doesn't mean it came from the band. So yeah, I guess somebody made a mistake.


You just wanna keep going about this for some reason....

So obviously you do care about something. I don't know if you just wanna show everybody how I'm wrong. Maybe it's an ego thing.


If I was wrong and you proved it, I would say so. I don't have a problem admitting I'm wrong.

The problem is people like you arguing with me when I know I'm not wrong.


All I care about is people knowing the truth and that is, the band didn't name the 2007 tour that way.

Nothing else matters.


If you wanna keep arguing and giving all the people who use all these bullshit lies against the band more material, go ahead.

Nice way of supporting the band you love.  : ok:





/jarmo

dude, it has NOTHING to do with my admiration for the band. this thread has NOTHING to do about my passion for the band and its music, so don't go on characterizing it as though it is..this thread was about a discussion between fans of the band and has NOTHING to do with my loyality and love for the band....we disagree about the name of a tour, that's IT!

Yes, we disagree of the name of the 2007 tour. Simply because you think I'm making this up and/or you believe the promoter instead of going on by what the band says.

Why?

If that was the name of the tour, why isn't it printed on the t-shirts sold at the 2007 shows, mentioned on gunsnroses.com when they announced the 2007 shows or used in Mexico and Japan?




/jarmo

It was mentioned on gunsnroses.com - right up until it was edited.

You're dead right it was!