Here Today... Gone To Hell!

so its been 4 months since the band got off the tour now and we ahven't heard much official news for a little while. Some of the guys in the band seem to be keeping themselves busy (Dizzy, Ron, Frank, Richard) with other projects at the moment?


anyone got any ideas what the "strategy" may be, ot if their even is a plan?! it jsut seems strange that we got loads of official updates for a while, even non- GnR related ones, but we haven't heard anything about *whisper* a new album for quite some time, not even a rumour has been reported!

any rumblings??

I heard on the radio that it's all Bumblefoot's fault!  :yes:



 :rofl:



/jarmo

Didn't mysteron say it was in the record companies hands now? Or no?

His source is the band.

yeah he did say that.

What mini tour?? ????

Are you referring to that 94 date tour that began on May 12, 2006 and ended on July 21, 2007? ?:confused:

But you're right that it wasn't the Chinese Democracy Tour.? I believe it was called the "Guns N' Roses World Tour"? ::)

I always referred to it as the Oreo double-stuff tour.

Just sayin'...

I do love me some Oreos.

But yea, the general consensus is that the record company is causing the delay at this point.  Didn't Sebastian even say it in one of his interviews?  And of course, Mysteron is a pretty damn reliable source.

Well, it is going to be the next album so why not?

You are thinking too hard about it.

Besides, it's a good thing they did the tour prior to the album because now a lot more people actually know who is in the band.  Exposure is always a good thing.

Oh, and I thought the band played for the fans, not for the record company....



It wasn't.

Check the t-shirts sold at the concerts. World Tour 2007.






/jarmo

It's a design, not a name. Doesn't prove shit.

Check the posters, they say "WORLD TOUR 2007"? :P
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=44566.0



The band was too ambiguous about naming the tour "Oreo double-stuf" so they called it something else.? ;)

who cares what the name of the tour was?  thats such a stupid technicality.   GnR played 94 kickass shows regardless of what they called it.

The likely explanation was that the tour was something they did to keep busy and make some money while the album was being mixed and what not.  Nobody on the outside knows the details but from what Merck said a year or so ago, there was going to be some sort of legal or financial red tape they were going to have to get around regarding the label prior to a release

Is GNR even legally bound to a record label anymore?

The signed a deal with Geffen for six albums, so unless they renewed their contract after greatest hits came out...Then again that could be considered seven.

Amen. And BTW, doesn't this same thread get started about once a month.

Does anybody realy care what the tour was called. The only thing to me that mattered was that they toured and I got to see them live.

This years tour was a continuation from last year.? They were able to get to Countries they missed out in 2006.? Unfortunately they couldn't do the South African dates because of the injury to Tommy.

It seems like at different points of the tour it was called Chinese Democracy and others World Tour.  I HATED the world tour name, but I guess if the album isn't finished or ready to release soon that its better not to be called the chinese democracy world tour.  They made the same mistake back in 2002. 

That's from the News Network section. It didn't have a link, but I assume it was from gunsnroses.com.
And on top of that my tickets for their Aussi show reads "Chinese Democracy World Tour" as did the advertisments in the newspapers, and posters around the city.

It was the "Chinese Democracy World Tour"....just google it, it's all over the place....t-shirts, venue listings, ticket stubs....etc.

It'd be real nice if the band put an album out for the fans......I think the reason for the mini tour is for the exact same reason as all the other tours......to let the WORLD know that GNR is back.  When the album hits stores, people like my old roomate or other friends who went to the 2002 shows will probably remember the concert and go out and buy CD, when they otherwise may not have had they not had the reference of recently seeing them live and rocking.

It was! We have been through all of this before. My 4 tickets for the Australian shows say "The Chinese Democracy World Tour 2007". The loud speakers with a recordered security messages at the Brisbane show announced it over and over again as "The Chinese Democracy World Tour".

It was. Case closed!

As far as I know the reason has never been given. I think it's one of the things that still has some legall stuff going on  Truth is I don't think we will ever know the reason.

Who is Mysteron??

I don't care what the tour was called, i'm happy i saw them 3 times that tour.? But i do wish they would tour again, cause i need a fix, and i've promised like 57 people i know that i'd take them the next time around.? It's gonna cost me a fortune........

Isn't he a supposed "insider"?

I even heard that he's Axl himself....but I really doubt that.

Well hopefully they're all girls so you can get paid back by favors.....lmao.... ;D

...just kidding.... ;D

Some of them are.  Now that you mention it, i may try to collect.  hahahaha.

As for Axl himself, i always thought that it was Jarmo.  That's why he's so touchy about the leaks and stuff.  Think about it...

....Ok I thought about it. It's ridiculous.

As I said in the past, the Australian promoter decided to use that name. The Japanese or Mexican legs were not called that.

So just stick to the facts, the band never called the 2007 tour that.



/jarmo

2006 was all Chinese Democracy World Tour.  So it is expected to have been so in 2007. What was the name otherewise?

World tour!!!!

I hope we hear something soon.

I find it bizarre that they gave no statements on the process on the CD since February...


any info would be appreciated... but... there would always be someone to bitch about it.


P.S...
in another news...
I'm letting my hair grow... untill CD is released. today...its about 15-17"
once that happens I'm cutting it, selling it... and giving the money to charity. :peace:

who. gives. a. fuck. what. the. tour. was. called.

some of you people need to get a fucking life.

They're trying to use the "But it was called the CD tour!  :crying: " excuse to say it was in promotion of the album.....




/jarmo

well, they don't need a cd to put on a kickass show. :)   i want the album as bad as the next guy, but overanalyzing dumb things like the name of the tour and what time axl wakes up is just beyond ridiculous.   I dont care what they call the tour.   I dont care if they dont have the album out and they want to entertain the fans. 

Yeah. It doesn't really matter what the tour is called or what time the show starts. Once that intro starts playing, you know you'll get a kick ass show.

I've been fortunate enough to have seen more than one show on the tour and it still feels the same every time I see them.

The excitement.

And seeing a bunch of others who you know are there for the same reason as yourself having a great time....



Regarding the album, I still believe that once the band has something to say, they will do so.

We've gotten some small updates from Baz lately. So it's not like nothing is happening.





/jarmo

Mysteron said it was in the record labels hands?

Yeah just like 2 years ago it was being mixed.


Ill believe it when I see it.


I hope its soon though, but if not, The wait is great! : ok:

Two years ago it wasn't even done....

They recorded parts for the albums in January....




/jarmo

are we really to say that there is nothing new that could be shared with the fans that keep the band alive?

It has been a long time since a communication from the band about the status of the album and all we have is a few rumours and the comments from Baz.

I'm not one of those that thinks the band owes us something, but would a current update be too much to ask. It's not like we haven't waited long enough already!

well after you kept the band alive for so long, a few more months would be like nothing for you perhaps?   ;D


So he wasn't talking about a volleyball? :P

:hihi:
I should have thought that by a curious coincidence, either of them aren't connected to cornel sanders.
actually neither looks like him at all. 

I got to see 6 shows in 2006 by my favorite band of all time.  I could give a rat's behind what they called the tour.  At this point, to me, the album will just be the icing on that cake when it does come.  Obviously, it's done and obviously there is some legal red tape by the record company.  900 threads and 900 analyzations of why this is the case isn't going to get it released any faster.

"Albums."  I just love the plural "s" on the end of that.  Here's hoping...   :beer:

All I know is, I got to see my favorite band of all time just one time last year and now I can die a happy man. ?I really can't wait till next week when I have baz's album in my hands, the words of axl in a new song will bring joy to my heart. I just want an album nothing fancy, astonishing or mesmerizing, just guns n' roses.

haha nice find bazgnr :rofl:

It's just logic.

Considering I don't know what songs are actually on Chinese Democracy, I can't say for sure that everything they recorded in January ends up on it.....




/jarmo

Perhaps, but it's logic from someone far more connected to the GnR world than I am (much to my chagrin and envy).? Whether it was Freudian, a sly and knowing wink, or a simple typo, I'll take all the crumbs of hope I can get at this point...? ?:peace:

so you know what songs were worked on in january then.......

I think you just read way too much into that post.

No, I know what Baz has said about the song he recorded his parts for. We don't know what album it's gonna be on since we don't have a track listing for Chinese Democracy.

It wasn't a Freudian slip, a mistake or anything.


I know what Baz has said. There's more than one album of material, hence me using the term albums.





/jarmo

For what little it matters, the "Freudian slip / mistake" bit was said tongue-in-cheek...

Hi.
Just wanted to say that I still have hope in Axl and the band, I think we all do... : ok:
All this silence drives me mad but... I think Chinese will be so out of this world, something so beatiful and big that ir reaaly doesn't matter how much time we still have to wait for it...
I just wanna think about how much I will party, listening to it!!  :beer:

Kisses from Portugal! ;)

I've heard about Mysteron....who do you guys think he is???

who knows i had asked him before but no answer back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysteron

 : ok:


/jarmo

interestin '

In it for the mony,not the fans.

You got the bands mixed up.




/jarmo

No,because we aren't allowed to talk about the original band here.

Hahahahahaha.

Damn you're funny.


Not only did you get the band wrong, you also managed to mix up what this site is about.

Not having a good day.....



/jarmo

In that case. Here is a question that a smartass like you surely has to know. Wich incarnation of the band did the most for their fans. The 1st one (1986-1996) or the 2nd one (2000-...)?

Hahahaha.

Define "do things for the fans".

Only one of them has a web site..... The old band didn't have that way of informing the fans.

Do you remember that time? You know, when all the GN'R news you got came via somebody else (the newspaper, music press, MTV, radio etc).




/jarmo

Actually, that sounds like now...

Yes i remember that time.I have a full page newspaper ad of the 1991 Stockholm show framed,old video's (MTV Rockumentary's,...) and some other stuff. I remember the day's when G N' R where big news on MTV with their 1991-1992 tour. Now i think back at it. I also remember watching the 1988 MTV Music Awards where they performed Welcome to the jungle. Fucking raw and energetic. Very different than these days when it's hard to hear or see something/nothing about this incarnation of the band.

You mean Baz?  :hihi:

But you heard about Axl singing on his album from Axl himself.....





And did you hear a lot about GN'R in 1994-96 for example? You know, when they didn't tour or have a new album in the stores?




/jarmo

Mmm,no. But when you look back at it you can describe these 2 years as a normal needfull band vacation. They have been busy for many years before 1994. They toured and released 2 albums between 1986 and 1989. Than they took 1,5 year of to have some rest and record an album. In 1991 they started to tour and released 2 albums with a full tour followed till the end of 1993 and the release of a cover album.

That's beside the point.

The point is, GN'R never was "informing fans" or "doing things for the fans" when there was no reason to.

Whatever you say is stupid an unacceptable now, has probably happened in the past.

You think Axl promised you that the album would be out by now? Well, GN'R also said Use Your Illusion was coming out before September 1991. Things happen, plans change.




/jarmo

It's the buddy-system marketing strategy, of course.? ?:yes:

 :rofl: Axl promised us a lot in the past and it always turned out in a lie. How long did they worked on the recording of UYI? 1,5 years for 2 albums? For how many years now is Axl making promises about Chinese Democracy? 10 years for 1 album? As you said. Things happen,plans change. If he can't handle it,he better quit the music business.

A lie? It's not exactly a lie when you think something will happen and it doesn't.

A lie is when you say something that you know isn't the truth.

If you wanna read about lies, there's other sections on this board where you'll see them.





One album?

Oh my...

No wonder your views are a bit twisted.....


Here's a similar question, if you can't handle artists taking their time and them deciding what's best for them, why are you even here?



/jarmo

Axl said a while back that they have recorded 30-35 songs but he never said something about how many albums they are planning to release. It's possible that a lot of songs never will make it to the album and never will be released. I can handle it when an artist takes his time to record an album,i don't even give a flyin' fuck if it takes another 10 years.

If I am not mistaken  and hell I might be , But Axl did mention that they are going to do like three albums and a show in 2002.

Well, you've already been proven wrong and Baz has mentioned the multiple albums thing quite recently too.

Maybe if you weren't so busy finding these "lies", you would've known about it...





/jarmo

And Baz is the manager of the band? Sure,i know who Baz is but when are we gonna hear something from Axl. Whatever. We will see what future brings us.

what does the original band have to do with this topic?  jesus christ.   

Given the current state of the music industry, I'm sure the Record Label and GNR are going to be very careful about releasing this album making sure all the elements are in place before unleashing it to the public. 

This is an abnormal album(s) which was not recorded in the traditional 6 - 8 month period as with most other artists and their albums.  The Record Company did not pay up to (reportedly) 13 million for a simple "12 song CD".  Axl did reveal in May of 2006 that they had "almost 3 albums worth of material" recorded.  According to Baz, it's up to 4 now. 

The band toured not only to "make money" or "pay for the album's expenses" but to get the feel of playing live again and showing the world that they are still around and the CD will follow.  Tours are typically done to promote a new album, singles are released to radio stations to promote tours (and albums).  The band did not waist everybody's time in the past two years for nothing.  All there is left now is the release of (dare I say "Part One"?) Chinese Democracy, coming soon to a Store/Download site near you, lol. 

cybercurves

Well, there is taking your time and then there is being maniacally obsessive.  Who else takes this long to put out music?  Brian Wilson?  Lauryn Hill?  Guess what?  They are both batshit crazy. 

You can only explain away so much.  And then the rational thinker, will admit, there is something not right here. 

and i think you read way too much into mine if you thought i was serious.

Who else is Axl Rose or GN'R? Nobody!

I guess you're so used to everybody else doing the same old routine that when somebody doesn't, it's because they're "crazy".

I see a lot of the same names coming here and making the same fucking "points" time after time. Why don't you go find something else to use all that energy on?

All that negativity can't be good for you.


The rational thinker hasn't got a clue what's going on because he/she doesn't live the life Axl does.





/jarmo

Or had way too much to drink or maybe not enough yet.

Yeah, well it may seem that way to you, but I'm actually not trying to be negative.  I've been coming to your site for quite a few years now.  I think Axl is quite fascinating, but I just don't understand why some of his fans tend to look at everything he does with "rose colored glasses".  Sorry, but I can accept his faults and he's got a lot of them. 

And I don't consider putting out music in a timely manner to be the "same old routine".  That's rather ludicrous. 

I understand how obviously you are a big fan Jarmo, and you put a lot of work into this site.  Also, if Beta and her son have posted here, maybe you have some connection with Axl's "people", whatever.   I just don't think you have to agree with or provide a rationale for everything someone does to be a fan of theirs.  Sometimes, people, even Axl need to hear the hard truth. 

Who hasn't?

We're all just human.

But in case you've gotten this site confused with some other place, we're not about the whining, negativity and all that fucking crap.






I remember the big commotion the fact that Pearl Jam stopped making music videos caused. It was pretty unheard of.

But they felt it was right for them, they didn't give a fuck.


Same thing with GN'R. They do what they want. Always been like that.





The problem with the so called truth is that we don't know the whole story or the background.

As Baz has said, we don't live the life Axl lives. So who are we to point fingers and give him "career suggestions"?


"Axl, release the record!" You don't think he wants to?

"Axl, play in my town!" You think it's only up to him to decide where to play?

"Axl, play this song and not that!" Can't please everyone, there's always people who like that they're playing and just because you don't, doesn't mean you're right.

Etc etc etc.



I wish people would get it into their heads that this band is not about fucking over us fans.

There's a lot of people out there who would love to see Axl and GN'R fail, and often I see people who claim to be fans take their side.

I just can't relate to that at all.

I guess it's more fun to be cheering for the winner all the time......





/jarmo

 :rofl:
Let me guess, your the one that's going to give it to him!?!?

Seriously though, you don't think Axl's heard that hundreds of times by now from hundreds of different people??  Even one of his closest friends, Sebastian Bach once asked Axl to release the album already.  Do you know what Axl's response was??
He yells out to a room full of people, "Hey everybody, Baz has a great fucking idea!  Releae the album!!  Thanks Sebastian, what would I do without you!?"  and that was the last time Bach mentioned the album release to him. 

So by you saying it on a message board he despises (or some of the people here anyway), is going to change all of that.  Behold! The Messiah has arriven!!!

 :rofl:

No.  Besides people on his payroll how many people has he surrounded himself with in the past ten years?  He pays the band to shut their mouths.  Beta would tell him whatever he wants to hear.  Geez, Merck is gone, I wonder why.  Sebastian is getting some great exposure from their friendship, but if Axl doesn't deliver, Baz will eventually tire of that too.  And frankly, I would rather keep saying that, then repeating lame excuses about how it's perfectly reasonable that he is seemingly unable to put his album out.  It's not. 

proof? the way i see it they choose to keep their mouths shut cause everything gets taken out of context/over analyzed just look at the way bach is being analyzed so extreme till the way its been said

mini tour? was a full tour to me
Album delay? Actuylly a new word should be created to describe what happens to CD  :hihi:

Whatever.... This place is just funny

It's incredible how people don't know nothing at all about respect these days...
The artists give us the most beautiful and powerful songs in the planet, timeless songs, their bands are legends and some people just want them to burn in hell...?How fair is that? :-\

At this point i think it's pretty obvious that Axl isn't going to release anything until every aspect of this thing is perfect and ready to go. I can't imagine all the details of it, but even just from what we've seen, this band that has yet to release an album sure has grown, and with it i'm sure the songs have too. I think that's important to Axl, to not come out there with something that's growing, but with something full grown.
To me it doesn't matter what you think about how he's doing it, because that's how he's doing it anyway.

We have to realize this is the guys life's work. With so much already accomplished, he has no need to rush, and a lot of expectation to live up to. This is a big ambitious project and it is entirely his vision. Then we type on message boards about how he should hurry up, as if he's really pissing on our day. It's not our album, and it's not our art.
No matter how much CD will mean to most of us, the guy it's going to mean the most to, no matter what, more than anyone else in the world, is Axl Rose. We want to hear it, and he has formed his life around it.

I think he said everybody addressing no body. it's basically sarcasm.
sebastan was answering the question  if he had ever called axl to ask about the release.
and he didn't say anything that implies they weren't on the phone or they were in a room full of people.

For everybody's info baz will be on XM's Boneyard at 9:00pm tonight for a full hour. If you have DirecTV it's channel 830.

Curious what Axl would say if the question "How many fans have to die waiting for your album?" popped up?. Can you imagine the people who died wishing they could hear the album(s) before they died?.   :nervous: