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Will Velvet Revolver ever be able to exist without Guns N Roses being mentioned? It is always VR, "featuring former members of Guns N Roses..."
Will Slash ever be Slash, or will he always be "Slash, former guitarist in Guns N Roses"?

It is understood that Guns N Roses were groundbreaking, and that the former GNR members in VR were a huge part of that. Velvet Revolver will never be as big or "important" as GNR, but then no band will be. Is VR the victim of its members' former success?

My answers in order:  no, Slash from GNR, yes

Slash will always be associated with two things: GN'R and top hats.

So obviously his bands will always be compared to GN'R.



/jarmo

agree 100% with all three

I think they will allways be asked about guns because they were a important part of there success with GNR but i think once CD comes out and people get used to the new band people will be able to move on.. :beer:

move on yes, but fans and journalists will still ask questions about it.. i'm interresting to hear what the new members will say about VR when they are asked

You forgot something along the lines of great guitarist and the best that the band Guns N' Roses ever had.  : ok:

No I didn't.


I know, you're trying to be funny at the expense of GN'R. It's not working.


/jarmo

Actually I wasn't being "funny". I just wanted to add to the list of things that I know he will be remembered for. Simple as that bro.

The GNR association (and STP to a lesser degree) will never be far from the conversation in regards to VR.

Same stuff will come to the fore when CD is released.  This version of GNR vs other incarnations of the band and to VR, it's inevitable.

The success was too massive, imagery was too strong for either to ever escape.

Simple as that.

Yes of course VR will always be tied to GnR, I love VR but these guys' greatest work was with GnR...even if they were fucked out of their brains for most of it

Yes, that's pretty much a given.

I for one hope VR or its likes(bands tied to their former bands) can get rid of the title of "former so and so" one day.
No one but few yardbirds diehards call jimmy page, eric clapton, or jeff beck "former yardbirds" nowadays.
they made it by doing significant works without relying on their yardbirds  fame after they left the band.

Has VR won fans who weren't GNR fans or stp fans, I wonder.

(@ falcon I edited the opptopic bit myself :hihi:)

A bit of a difference with the 3 mentioned above.

All 3 later projects eclipsed their Yardbirds fame.? Page with Zep and Beck and Clapton solo.

None of the involved from either camp, (VR or this version of GNR) will ever eclipse the fame/success they had with GNR's earlier encarnations.

Good point about the Yardbirds, both Falcon and ppbebe.

What about The Beatles? Ignoring the solo stuff (that doesn't fit into this discussion), how was Wings presented? The Traveling Wilburys? The former was before my time and the latter was really not my cup of tea back then.

A more modern example would be that guy from Busted. He joined or started another band, and that band is always stated as having him in it. Yeah...I know...I'm killing you with details here! I can't remember the name of the new band nor the name of the guy from Busted. Haven't heard either bands' music either, so they may not even be in the same genre.

Who knows? At least this version of GNR is stedly getting new fans. I believe CD(s) will stub it.

as for the beatles well some real timers may always remember them for their mushroom hair and their early pop tunes like help, yeaterday, or Mr.postman but we know their pinnacle is sgt peppers.

Yes, they will always be associated with GNR.

They do everything they can to be associated: the VR name, the GNR covers, the ''you wanted the best...'' intro, the content of the interviews they do, their publicity, everything.

They know the associaction with GNR it's essential.

No one really, just educated speculation. ?I've always been of the mind none of the members (either still in or out) of GNR will ever reach the pinnacles of success they had in their earlier days. ? I think those times are long gone and it's just silly for even a fan(atic) to even expect.


There's really no empiracle/quantifiable evidence to prove that. ?Same for VR, we have absolutely no data to guage new fandom as opposed to those who are only around/interested for their past bands.

For instance, warose and myself are the living proof. :hihi:

I liked some of the GNR oldies but it was when I heard chinese democracy that I really got into GNR.

Is there anyone who became a diehard of vr when they heard slither or any vr song?

"Slither" sold me on the idea of a band with a separate identity but The Project/VR was brought to my attention based on their prior associations.

I liked the song too but I seem to have preferred white stripes songs and kasabian songs then.  :hihi:

and as far as I can see VR hasn't made a song that surpasses slither.

I'm a fan of music before being a fan of GNR so I hope musicians eclipse their former selves. probably  that's why I love GNR.

I really want to hear the opinion of anyone who finds vr more interesting than GNR( past or present). anyone?

Kasabian? ;D that just says...too much.
American Man, it surpasses Slither, you're welcome.

Generally speaking, I find VR much more interesting than UYI era GNR.  More of a lack of interest in that era of GNR I suppose as opposed to an overwhelming interest in VR.

Generally speaking? yeah I can see your point but lets hear UYI era gnr fans opinions.




lets wait for? non GNR? fans opinions on it if any

I only find them more interesting than Spaghetti Incident era GNR, and I love both contraband and libertad

"American Man" surpasses "Slither"? :P

You can't possibly be serious with that type of comment.

knowing what axl is capable of producing means i will never find VR more interesting than GnR, unless they acutally push themselves to get the kind of creativity the core members had during GnR's illusion sessions.

I can't imagine too many UYI era fans having more than remote interest in VR, they're pretty much the antithesis of that part of GNR's history.

You know falcon, on UYI 1, there is some badass shit on there.  Don't Damn Me for one is a song that still sounds fresh and current for somereason.  Its like the UYI albums are so big I still discover new things about them.  And for groove and jam, does anything top Locomotive.  So while UYI can be big and bloated and commercial, there are more than enough diamonds in there than hold their own. 

You Got No Right, does everyone forget that song?  Ha.

Me too. I found the UYI albums disappointing. Let's face it, nobody has come close to Appetite - not even GNR themselves. The stand out tracks on UYI were all, in my opinion, written earlier. You Could Be Mine, Don't Cry, November Rain, Bad Obsession... they all existed before. If you look at the gigs they played on the UYI tour, most of the tracks are from Appetite or written around that period. In the name of research:

Paris, 6th June 1992

It?s So Easy                               (AFD)
Mr. Brownstone                         (AFD)
Live And Let Die                         (cover)
Attitude                                      (cover)
Bad Obsession                           (written earlier)
Always On the Run                     (cover, kind of)
Double Talkin? Jive                       (UYI)
Civil War                                     (written earlier, kind of)
Wild Horses (Intro)
Patience                                     (Lies)
You Could be Mine                      (written earlier)
It?s Alright                                   (cover)
November Rain                            (written earlier)
Drum Solo
Guitar Solo
Godfather Theme
(Intro) / Sweet Child O? Mine      (AFD)
Welcome To The Jungle              (AFD)
Only Women Bleed
Knockin? On Heaven?s Door        (cover)
Mama Kin                                    (cover)
Train Kept A Rollin?                      (cover)
Don?t Cry                                     (written earlier)
Mother (Intro)
Paradise City                              (AFD)


...It seems that even GNR themselves realise that AFD was their best stuff too!

I feel that VR is better than what GNR put out on the UYI albums and since.

In a somewhat related topic, I wonder if Axl and Slash have any chance of not being tied together?  Regardless of how well each do with their new respective projects, I just don't see either eclipsing or escaping their prior connection.  Sort of like they are the our generations version of Mick and Keith or Steven Tyler and Joe Perry...

Don't Damn Me is one of my all time favorite Gn'R songs, if not the best.

UYI1 had some great rockers on it; Don't Damn Me, Garden of Eden, RNDTH, Coma, Back off Bitch, Double Talkin' Jive, Bad Obsession, Perfect Crime, Dust n' Bones.. wow it was a great album.  Throw on November Rain and Don't Cry as the ballads, and wow.