Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Slash was on Letterman tonight and actually talked about AXL...I enjoyed it quite a bit.  You should check it out!

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/video_player/index/php/935735.phtml

kinda cool.? but I fuckin HATE letterman

I like the story he told about Axl...never heard it before and it was actually pretty funny.  Conan is the best...but Letterman is still good man.

Yey for fucking RealPlayer. Aside from not being able to get the video to work properly, the sound cut off early. Anyone have this on YouTube or something? I liked what I HEARD.

put it play and the pause it for a couple of minutes , then you can watch it.  if not the video cuts every 20 seconds.

Danke. I'll try.

Sounds like Slash is missing Axl.

real player fucking blows  :rant:

can someone give the jist of what he said?   i can't watch it and now i have to uninstall this garbage from my computer.

Slash basically said that when he and Axl first started hanging out, Axl moved in with Slash and his mother and grandma.  He was sleeping in the basement or something and when Slash wasn't there one day, Axl went upstairs and fell asleep on Slash's gram's couch.  They were pissed about it and Slash told Axl it wasn't very nice.  They were driving to a rehearsal at the time and Axl jumped out of the moving car and was pissed about it.

man, thats crazy... could you imagine people's reactions?  :rofl:

you forgot i quite important part, where Slash said that he wanted to clear some things up, things where said (at the start of VR) by him (out of bitterness) and the media blew things up etc...

I don't know what to think of this.

It looked to me like he has some guilt over the what was said.

Dave: "And how are things with Axl Rose now"?

Slash:"We haven't really spoke, but I think ... what I ... what I would like to sort of do, is clear some of the air. The media has sort of perpetrated a lot of negative ... energy about the whole thing, and I think I probably helped too because I think, aah ...when I started doing press, when Velvet Revolver first started, I was still bitter about the whole Guns n Roses break up, and I didn't have anything really positive to say. Sort of air that out if I can".

Um... that Slash is quite simply saying that he said some things that either were unnecessary or untrue and would like to clear the air at some point.  I don't think that is a really a hard concept to grasp.

It's a real shame if this thread is another one that turns into an Axl vs Slash.  To me it just looks like Slash is ready to be an adult about the situation - and that's a good thing

Slash vs Axl?
No way! Slash should come back!  :P I always liked the guy, his style belongs to the GN'R I love  :peace:
Whisfull thinking offcourse, but that's my feeling.
Don't get me wrong, the new guys are also awesome...but you know..hey..it's fucking slash man, he's part of GN'Rs top era!

Download (axl part):
http://www.gnrsource.com/dloads/vids/tvshows/slash_letterman10302007_gnrsource.com.avi

.avi, 27,5 MB

jesus h christ.  he changes his damn tune more than I change my underwear (and thats everyday, fuckers!)

hahah, that's hilarious :hihi: REALLY can't wait to read the book now if it's full of these kinda stories!

the story was cleaned up for TV.....
Axl told his grandmother to fuck off when she woke him up

It is filled with those kinda stories.  You should check it out!!

Probably helped?

Understatement of the year.



/jarmo

You're overreacting, /jarmo.

I don't know specifically what Slash meant but there is another possibility that haven't been mentioned when you talk about focussing on the negative. That is when someone asks you about it you speak of the negative things that happens. If this is the way it was meant, Slash isn't saying he lied but rather that he chose to focus on his negative experiences with Axl and GNR rather than sharing all the positive ones as well. It's pretty typical behaviour when you come out of a long-term relationship. It's part of the healing process where you convince yourself that you made the right decision. I'm sure most of us have been there before.

This is the first time either of them have even been semi-professional about their relationship and Jarmo spins it. Maybe Slash should have shouted "Axl's in my ass! That's where he is!".  :rofl:

I wouldn't expect anything less from you.  : ok:



It's about time Slash starts taking responsibility for what has been said and printed about Axl/GN'R over the years.

He's not exactly a new artist so he must know about how the media likes to take one quote from him and make an "Axl Rose" article about it.

He played along by answering their questions about Axl/GN'R.






/jarmo

Of course he's playing along.......not to put down Slash, but he's trying to sell his book now and he's going to put it all out there to draw attention to himself and his product. 

I think its cool of him to admit that he probably helped getting the negative spin, Slash is in fact taking his part of the responsability here Jarmo, what do you expect him to do: Cry, fall down on his knees on Letterman and say in the camera "Its all my fault, Im so sorry axl"?? He takes his part, and is being mature about it, so give the guy a break. I love Slash, and I love Axl, and God knows both of them have said and done fucked up things during their 20 or so years in the spotlight that they may regret later on. Dosent always make them liars, or bad people, just humans.  :peace:

Saying or doing stuff doesn't make you a liar. Lying makes you a liar.




/jarmo

when gnr reunite jarmo is gonna be out of a job

He should be out of a job period

you can't reunite something that is already together

Awww, aren't you nice...


If I was paid $1 for every stupid post I've seen posted by people like you, I would've been a millionaire years ago.




Too bad you don't do the "hiring" here.

But don't be so upset. We all know you can outwit us all Mr Smartypants.





/jarmo

You are the king of stupid posts...all you ever do is twist things around and post negative comments on things you don't agree with. You're probably the biggest liar and twister of the truth here.

LIKE WHATEVER!!FUCK YOU SLASH! OR SHOULD I SAY, GAYSH, (<- haha, made that up by myself!!)
I
 will never fogive Slash that he dared not to be honest about everything all the time like Axl and other good people on this planet, Jesus bless them, are.
It doesnt fucking matter if he has written and helped to make famous  great deal of music I adore and listen to today and it doesn't matter if he is "cool talented guitarist" or whatever irrelevant bullshit like that.

 It doesn't mean I should respect him in any way.
Can you see Bumblefoot talking shit about Axl? NO U CAN'T. FRIENDS DONT DO THAT AND SLASH STOPPED BEING A FRIEND.
He Lied. And he said bad things. About Axl. And since I support Axl, it is my business. SLASH FUCKING MADE IT MY BUSINESS!
!!!MAYBE HE COULD CLEAR THE AIR AROUND MY ASSHOLE LOL!!

I WILL NEVER FORGIVE HIM.
(Btw I heard one guy who is close to band and whose name i cant say here, tell me that it is actually Axl whistling most of what we used to think were  guitar soloes.SLASH IS SO FULL OF SHIT)
I don't give a fuck about his LIE FILLED biography either. Fucking telling his side of the story all over the place. Why cant he be objective and able to disconnect from his own body and in cold fashion observe himself from outside, naked of feelings and other emo shit,  like all coo ppl can do?! (When Axl was in coma, he totally did this all the time, thats where he got lyrics to coma i heard)
'
P.S Slash has sucked a cock of another man lol   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh wow.

For a self proclaimed smart guy you really hide your intelligence well.



Show me where I lied please.

If you can't prove it, you won't be posting here anymore. Simple as that.


This comes from a guy who claims I called VR fans nazis. That was proven to be a lie.

I'm not gonna let you keep making shit up about me.

Prove your point, or you'll be gone from here.





I'm glad you amuse yourself.






/jarmo

Well I think you saying "Saying or doing stuff doesn't make you a liar. Lying makes you a liar." is a twist of the truth...you have no idea that he did in fact lie. As for threatening to ban for for calling you out on the truth, it is your board. If you feel you have to do that go ahead. It is just adding more proof that it is Jarmo's way or the highway, which is a ridiculous concept to have on a discussion board. Just stand in front of your mirror and look at yourself and say how great you are if you truly want mindless people following you around like your some kind of prophet.

i will keep wishing. :P

I cant understand how is that your conclussion...



Oh, and this is not meant to be in the Guns N' Roses section  : ok:

oh my god, the biggest spoiler about the book, and it's from Slash himself.

Ines, Christos AG, don't watch the video or read this topic  :hihi:

it seems like guys like you posts stuff like this in the wrong section on purpose.. then you act like you don't understand why it's in the wrong section or just think that jarmo's rules don't apply to you :confused: and you never use the search engine



*moving it to the correct section and merges it with the other slash on letterman threads*

I really should be a mod :rofl:

why not, i believe slash talks about GnR in the interview, this is a guns n roses section.

if your point is correct then why is sebstian bach solo album in the guns n roses section?

you're just biased and/ or hate slash. whcih is a shame. cant p[eople just like both of them! ?:no:

Pretty funny. You think you've heard all of the funny Axl stories by now too.

We need CheapJon in the staff urgently  :hihi:

That's my opinion.  ::)

I don't think a person is a liar just because he says stuff.

It makes no sense.

I think a person who constantly lies is a liar.





No no no.

Don't get all defensive.

If you're gonna call me a liar, fucking prove it.

It's not the first time you put words in my mouth.

I don't give a fuck if you don't like me.

But if you're gonna accuse me of things, be prepared to prove it and stand up for what you said.




You don't have anything to add to the discussion.

Your dislike for me, and the fact that you have no control over how this site is ran, seem to be the only reasons you even post.



So next time you call me something, have some fucking balls and stand for it instead of crying like a little baby about how it's my board.

The same goes for everybody else.





/jarmo

Why is Slash constantly causing speculation that he might go back to GNR.  You never hear Axl talk about the old members, and everytime an old member is interviewed they always say something that can make you think they want to return to Guns N Roses.  Slash quit, Duff quit, Sorum got fired. 

the current band is Finck, Fortus, Thal, Stinson, Frank, Dizzy and Chris.  Those are the only people I want to see in a band called Guns N Roses

I'm sure you'd like to see axl at the show too  ;)

Pretty fucking simple:

* We have Sebastian Bach's threads here JUST BECAUSE Axl Rose, founder and current member of Guns N' Roses, sings in Bach's new album ''Angel Down''

Do you think we are gonna see in the future discussion threads about ''Slave To The Grind'' in this section?

* Slash uses to talk too much about Guns N' Roses, and he also talks about a lot of GNR things where he's not fuckin' involved. Slash can say whatever the fuck he wants, but that doesnt mean all his uncountable GNR mentions have to be here, in this section. That's why there's a ex members section, and a VR subforum.

I dont hate Slash. I love the music he did in GNR and I listen to his music everyday. I admire him a lot. But I am mature enough to accept THE FACT that he's no longer in GNR, and I can also see that he has a desperate need to talk about Guns N' Roses, even though he could spend his precious time talking about his current/active band.

Hmm. ?Did he tip his hat there towards the end? Maybe wishful thinking? On the part of Slash.  I truely like the band at present because they're GnR, but who knows what could be if these guys worked together again. ?Even if it weren't GnR it maybe cool to see them work on a solo? ?I'm more inclined to think that they would just be supportive of each others work and maybe clear anything up that could hold back any material to be stamped. ?Clear any legal stuff up and let them all move on.
 ? ?Right now I want GnR to release their new stuff and have the support of the former band members. ?I think it would be best for all involved. ?It would be better to have supportive friends then bitter ex-bandmates. ?Let the future hold what is to be.
 This thread had so many friggin hits that I went to post when there was only one on. ?By the time I pressed post the thread was 3 pages long and moved to the ex-gunners section. HAHA

Jarmo is on top of his game!

Jarmo, if you're gonna call Slash a liar, fucking prove it.

It's not the first time you put words in his mouth.

I don't give a fuck if you don't like Slash.

But if you're gonna accuse Slash of things, be prepared to prove it and stand up for what you said.




You don't have anything to add to the discussion.

Your dislike for Slash, and the fact that you have try and control everyones action on  this site, seem to be the only reasons you even post.



So next time you call Slash something, have some fucking balls and stand for it instead of crying like a little baby.

you argument makes no sense......

im not trying to argue at all but think for a moment...

how many times has a thread like "radio DJ mentions axl," etc etc.

so if it says "slash mentions axl" its not allowed? that makes no sense!

Well, things with VR are not exactly going THAT well...

Can't say I didn't see it coming.

But I don't wanna see a reunion now.

First of all it would be SO unfair to the guys who stood up for Axl for the past 7-9 years.

Second, I wanna listen to all the material GN'R has recorded and are ready to release.

I would never like to see a reunion JUST for the money, which is something that I'm 10000% sure Axl would never do.

He has proved that he's not in it for the money.

Some people just want to see  them on stage again, no matter what. They wouldn't care if the band members would be unhappy. It doesn't work that way...



And darth monkey, personally I've had enough of you.

Slash lied last year about going to Axl's house. Is that enough?

Would you like some fries with that?

But there isnt a radio dj section here while slash got this ex gunners section for him.

Jesus... dont you see there is a special section in this forum for EX MEMBERS things? Do you see a special section for DJ's?

Well, that's where Slash things that are not estrictly related to GNR should be.


a piece of cake:

He denied going to Axl's house at first > he admitted it later.

Is that enough?

its not really the point man. the point is that most people on here just don't like slash. Period. it wouldn't matter what he said about the new GnR, axl, or whatever. the would just say "wrong section asshole!"

i just think its childish and sad...imo

if i'd rank my favourite guitarists in the world slash would probably be number 3 on my list.. wich means i like him quite a lot right ;) but still i can understand why slash-news should be posted in the ex-gunners section..

Or it could be the fact that nearly every interview he does, he is asked about the band that he left over ten years ago. And it isint just slash, it's duff aswell. I mean I just watched the FOX and friends interview and it was brought up by them, not slash but them. If interviewers could stop asking about it then he wouldnt talk about it as much.

What a poor excuse to proving how I'm a liar.

I stand up for what I've said in case you didn't notice.

That's why you keep attacking me.



FYI: http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2007-10-04/music/velvet-revolver-seeks-libertad/

"I didn't really intend to lie for any other reason than that I didn't feel like explaining everything. Which is the reason most people lie, I guess,"

- Slash



Now, I asked you first, and I'm still waiting......

Are you gonna do prove that I'm the biggest liar on this board or not?

Well?



Last chance!

Got any balls?




/jarmo

Yeah, but how many interviews does Axl give??

Interviewers are always going to ask GNR-related questions because that's what Slash etc. are most known for. I'm sure that some of the ex-members wouldn't be against returning to GNR but how many people (both fans and non-fans) realistically believe that it'll happen?

Slash is an EX-FUCKING-MEMBER that means we talk about him in this section.   The GnR section should be slash free IMO.    :smoking:   

Axl is singing 3 songs on Baz's album.  stop complaining if you dont like how shit is.   its pathetic.  :rofl:

The Sebastian Bach and 'Angel Down' thread can be found in the Bad Obsession section.

The "trio of songs" thread, on which Axl sings, can be found in the Guns N' Roses section.

In your face! :hihi:

That wasn't a Slash/Axl thread. The thread that was merged with this one was a Slash thread. Slash's mentions of Axl doesnt produce Slash/Axl threads.

Slash was the one interviewed. Not GNR, not Axl, not Slash & Fortus, not Slash and Finck. Slash's interviews, no matter what he talks about, go to a special section called ex-members.

Why?

Because he is an ex-fucking-member of Guns N' Roses

About ''Angel Down''... Why is it so fucking hard to understand? The main man of Guns N' Roses sings in that album! That is a genuine xxxx/Axl thread. Axl DOES HAVE to do with ''Angel Down''. Geez...

Just let it go, for Christ's sake!

That's where the threads are, deal with it.

Now let's talk about the actual subject featured in this thread instead of bitching about this stupid fucking shit.

Just drop the act.

Talk about Slash on Letterman and discuss it properly instead of arguing about Sebastian Bach, Axl Rose and whatnot.

Well first of all this isn't a direct quote from Slash so you don't know if those were his exact words, and basically all he said here was that it was complicated and he felt he didn't want to go through the whole story for why he was there. He doesn't need to explain what he does 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I don't really see there being anything wrong with that. Did Axl ever explain to us with he was brought to court for beating his ex-wife (Erin Everly) and his ex-girlfriend (Stephanie Seymour), no. And he doesn't have to that's his personal matters.

And as for someone else claiming that Axl doesn't care about money, well that isn't totally true. Why did he insist he get the 5% share of royalties that Steven was supposed to get. All members were to get 20% and instead Slash, Izzy, and Duff got 20%, Steven got 15% and Axl 25%. Sounds like he was thinking about his pocket in this case. I do respect that he is partly funding the new album(s), but just because someone does something once (like Slash not being totally honest above) doesn't mean its something that is done regularly. I'm not saying Slash never lies, I'm assuming most people probably lie every now and then, Slash being no different than you or I.

Ok, so you are in denial and need to defend him.

Fine. As long as we know where you stand.



More excuses.


Ok, so you don't see anything wrong with lying to the fans and making it seem like the people telling the truth are liars.




If your next post isn't one with proof of me being the biggest liar on this board or a written public apology from you, you'll be banned.

I've given you more than enough chances to set the shit you started straight.

Last chance! Don't tell me I didn't warn you.




/jarmo

That someone else was me.

Steven Adler told me personally (I've done a few gigs with him in Greece you know) that Axl gave him some of his percentage cause he was getting less money.

I don't know where you're getting this -5% crap from...

apparently from slash autobiography. another proof that he confabulates?

God, I SO wanna read this book right now...

It's gonna be so much fun. More fun that watching "The Adventures of Baron Munchausen" again...

A friend just sent me this... It proves my dialogue with Steven...

You see, when Steven is sober, he'll speak nicely about Axl and tell you the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Not that he lies when he's high, he just calls Axl an asshole...

I've recently came around reading posts in the GNR section and the VR section and I've got to say:

JARMO IS A DOUCHE BAG!! ?I mean do you seriously think you're in the "right" during these arguments?? You act like Axl is Guns N Roses and Slash had nothing to do with it. ?Look at the Fucking facts! Without both Slash and Axl there wouldn't be a GNR legacy for Axl to leech off of all of these years. ?The only difference between Slash and Axl is that one supposedly threw a bitch fit about getting all the rights to the name. ?Slash and others compromised to the keep the "Train" rolling. ?You could possibly argue the details of that, but you can't argue that Axl has done anything positive to build onto the GNR legacy. ?HE HAS HURT IT. ? The band (axl) ?is a fucking joke to the silent majority of music fans. ?Which if you didn't know, are the ones that end up mattering when cd sales come into play. Axl hasn't released anything under the GNR name in 15 years since getting control. ?There are a couple of demos, that even me a die hard fan have to admit are growing a little old on me. ?I saw them in concert last year and I had a lot of fun, but then again I was just in the moment watching parts of my favorite band of all time. ?In retrospect and if you watch a lot of the youtube videos, Axl's voice sounds like shit, and that's only when you can actually hear it in the mix. ?I like Axl for his past things and I hope Chinese Democracy is a masterpiece, but all signs point to another let down. ?I have no problem with you liking Axl, but don't act like you can bash Slash and write him off as a former member who doesn't matter anymore!! ?Last time I checked Slash and Axl have both released about the same amount of GNR material in the last 12 years..And that is None!!

i don`t understand this crap....  slash mentions only positive things about axl in the last 1-2years+ and still some people (jarmo seems to be one of them) feel the need to bring up all this axl vs. slash shit...

i think it`s quite obvious, that slash was really bitter about the whole gnr thing until some years ago and now he regrets some of the things he has said. neither slash nor axl were angels as far as we know, but it seems to me, that only the fans and the media try to fuel the "fight" (that never existed in those dimensions according to both of them...)

I take that quote to mean he gave Steven 15% total, as opposed to 0%.  Before that, Axl would have gotten 40%.  Am I completely off with that thinking?

I have no idea if that's the case...

All I know is that Steven is still thankfull for this and he aknowledges it up to this day.

That's definitely not how it's portrayed in the book.  It says Steven got less than everybody and was scarred about it permanently.

I'm talking about what I experienced personally with Steven Adler in 2004 and 2005.

I don't remember his exact words (it happened 2-3 years ago), but he was REALLY thankfull about it.

He did say lots of other good things about Axl that morning (infront of the entire Adler's Appetite band minus Jizzy, he went for a walk), but I'm pretty sure if I mention them, I'll get burned by Slash fans...

Dude, I believe you.  Just pointing a discrepancy from the book and what you experienced with Steven.  It's possible he changed his perspective on it over the years.

Axl says his 15 percent. His 100 percent was not the whole of the writing credits was it? other members also got credits.
0.4 ? 0.15 doesn't make 0.15.

Yeah, I see what you're saying.  That could be the case.  It's getting complicated now.  :confused:

You should consider a career in writing since you have a way with words.



Once again, prove it.

You people need to learn how to prove your fucking insane claims.


I've never made any comments about Slash never having anything to do with GN'R. He was part of what made GN'R the band it was. Period.






Say what?

Only positive?


He lied about going to Axl's house. You people were calling Beta and Axl liars.

He finally admits that he lied and you all act like it was nothing.



I'm the asshole for pointing out the things that Slash says.

I'm sorry that I'm exposing you to all these Slash quotes that make no sense to me.
 

I'm sorry that I'm making you all insult and attack me because I don't think Slash is God or an honest person.





/jarmo

I think Slash is a great guy and I really like reading his interviews in general, but for whatever reason, whenever he talks about Axl and some reunion and whatnot it just makes me cringe. I give the guy full credit for being the person who wrote the amazing riffs and all, but I really like this line-up and I can't really bring myself to care about some reunion, and even if there would be some kind of reunion then I highly doubt that going well for a long period of time anyway.

no he most certainly doesnt, a simple yes or no to a very simple question (being if he visited Axl's house or not) would have been enough...however when he's first denying ever going to Axl's house and after that be like 'yeah, well I kinda did go to Axl's house ?to clear some stuff up' that's lying...people wouldn't have made as big of a deal about it if he'd have simply spoken the truth than lying about it.

This video is a sign of something to come... at least that?s how I see it. And I won?t say I?m unhappy with it... at all.

Slash, in the last year, has only said good things about Axl. It?s now clear to all that he is done with all the angriness, remorse of the past. He shows his respect to Axl everytime now someone asks about him... and that surely didn?t happen some years ago. And that?s a really good thing... and that?s what matters now... not the past. Ain?t that what you are always saying Jarmo? Focusing in the present not living in the past? What I see now is someone being respectful and trying to clear all the shit he sure helped creating in the past. That?s  awesome and it?s what is important right now... I guess.

Anyway... does someone has the clip to the full interview? Not only the Axl part.

You can find it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSjQL3_OO3U

thank you!  : ok:

thanks for the clip, things look excellent.

Here you have the 9 minutes of Slash @ Letterman, from an HTDV source [widescreen], great resolution

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=49515.0

so , hows the book, has anyone read it yet?

jarmo, warose's point was that lately, 06-07 Slash had been pretty positive on axl.  I think the other incident for which you speak happened in 05.  When is the last time Slash took a jab at Axl?  Atleast a couple years.  He is trying to make peace I think.

I think Slash has cut down on the negative comments about Axl that he himself admits making.  But, I don't think he's trying to make peace with Axl.

I say that because you don't file a frivolous lawsuit accusing someone of stealing your royalty money and then not drop the lawsuit when you know the lawsuit has no merit if you are trying to make peace.  That is a vengeful act.

Ali

Well, he was denying going to Axl's house in May 2006.

Maybe you have to adjust your time frame a bit.....



Maybe in his own mind he's trying something new. Maybe he knows VR won't last.

I don't know.


I haven't read the book yet so I don't know exactly what he says in it.




/jarmo

why can't you give credit where credit is due? no one is saying slash never lied and dont even try to say any other members of the current line-up never lied....please.....you're a joke, no credibility.....the non-ass kissers know this very well.....

Others have lied but not Axl....He is just not the kind of person who would do that. Yes, it has been lied on his behalf from others in the GN'R camp (Merck is probably a good example) but that's because this is part of the business. And whether Axl liked it or not, it probably had to be done for various reasons such as legal, etc....But I can't imagine Axl lying in interviews, statements that he personally wrote, songs, etc.....He's just never been like this..

oh now he wants to talk nice after he's been owned :-X

since axl toured the world with the new band and proved he was, is and always will be the main ingredient of gnr

You know what?

I'm tired of this shit. You either start talking and behaving like you're supposed to (according to the rules) or I'll start what should have been started a long time ago.

Just cause Jarmo doesn't want to use his power on most of you, it doesn't mean that you should abuse this and call him names all the time.

Enough is enough.

One negative karma for name calling.

^^^^^

the usual response to a very good point.

Please help me understand, which one made the good point?

Wow...so now I'm being threatened to be kicked off this board unless I apologize. I have apologized to you once in the past when I made a mistake, but you won't get that from me this time. I do apoligize when I am wrong, so obviously it gives you a clue as tyo what I feel this time. If you do ban me it just proves the point all the more that you are very insecure about yourself in this board. You can't stand up for yourself in real life or in person so you have to show off your all powerfullness being a keyboard of a computer? You can't stand anyone that challenges you or might not share the same opinion as you. Time and time again you have questioned if I am a fan of GNR or not, and well I don't feel I need to justify whether I am a fan of GNR or not to you. I know what I am a fan of and I have and always will support GNR. I have never come here and said they sucked or anything. One can question if you truly are a fan since you love to thrash the old GNR members. Being a true fan means embracing GNR in all its forms including the current lineup as well as its past.

If I do get banned you'll no doubt go off on a tirade about me and how shitty members of the board like myself are, if you do all the power to you. Don't you love the power-rush you get out of standing up to someone and bitching them out when you know they can't respond. This will serve as yet another prime example of why what used to be one best GNR boards is turning into nothing but a joke. The webmaster can start arguments and insult people to no end but if you stand up to him and say something he doesn't like you're banned. Yet another wonderful example of how this board has turned from a place where you could freely speak your mind about the band we all love to a place where Jarmo runs a tight ship and you must obey him or you're gone.

Blah, blah, blah.

All this talk and no meaning.

He called Slash a liar, you said prove it, he did.

You called him a liar, he said prove it. You never did. You never even showed one post with Jarmo's "lies".

When you insult someone for no reason, more than once, expect to face the consequences.

If he was insecure or if he wanted to show his "powerfullness" (which according to merriam-webster does not exist as a word) he would have banned you a long time ago.

Instead he gave you the chance to prove your accusations. Which you still haven't done.

Wow the hell are you his Mom? I have already pointed to areas where he has done so, if he or you choose not to accept that, it is fine I stand by what I said and there are a lot of people here who share the same views as I do.

I'm someone you can't outwit.

You haven't posted shit in the last 3 pages. No proof of Jarmo being a liar.

Are you fucking serious?

I've asked you more than once in this thread to PROVE how I'm the biggest liar here. Like you claimed.

Surprise, surprise, you failed.


And I'm the one who can't stand for myself.

Pathetic.


Now you're gone. :wave:





Are you having a bad year or something?

The "non-asskissers" like yourself?  :rofl:



/jarmo

i wonder if he just wants to sell his book, or, making a huge public demand for him rejoining guns...

I guess you wouldn't see a problem if I called you names day after day and when you asked to prove it, I'd just act like nothing?


It was pretty obvious that guy didn't like the site and it's amusing how they all use the old "you must love the power" speech.





/jarmo

I'm wondering the same thing?? or is he just moving on.? On one interview, Slash states that Axl is a perfectionist and great at what he does but Slash also believes that Axl is afraid of his own success.? He also signed an autograph on a guitar that has Slash and a drawing of the hat and a cigarette but he also writes GnR funcking rocks or Guns and Fucking Roses or something of that nature?? Slash only mentions VR when asked and he just causually stated that they were going to go on tour soon and to where Europe etc.. Kind of odd to me.

well thankfully, Slash is talking enough shit right now that I dont believe Axl would ever consider doing any kind of business with him again.  :beer:   

if he did, I would scratch my head.   Slash is obviously obsessed with talking about Axl lately..   Axl isn't interested in talking about Slash.  :rofl:

The only thing I disagree with Jarmo is his bashing of Slash mentioning Axl.


Axl h asn't? done any interviews yet and whether u guys want to believe it or not, Axl IS GONNA have to talk about Slash.

He won't be doing it to sell records or draw attention to himself, He will be doing so because they were one of the greatest and biggest bands ever and people are gonna want to know what happened.

The only way Axl will be able to avoid talking about Slash is if he does no interviews or only writes prepared letters.


So a lot of this is gonna come back and bite Jarmo and others once Axl starts doing press for CD because Slash fans are gonna have a lot of fireback ammunition.

Slash is asked a question, thats much different than just offering up without being asked. Slash looks way worse if he says no comment as opposed to just answering the question.

cause if he says no comment, people are gonna interpret that as a diss.

Exactly what the fuck has Axl talked about the last 12 years?

Nothing

you can't say what Axl thinks about Slash, because we don't really know.

one thing is sure Slash needs to move on. when you sell 200.000 copies of your last LP,
it's time to do something on your own. the book is a begining, but what's the goal ?

maybe he realised around 2005 that guns is his life, and went to see Axl for that.
i'm curious to see what's coming next, with Chinese Democracy...

No... he just doesn?t talk... at all.

how do you know that? last time I saw Axl, he was talking about Slash non stop.
maybe interviewers are obsessed with asking Slash about Axl, and Slash is obsessed with answering the questions he get?

Axl is the main ingredient?

How many albums/hits has Axl done since Slash and Co. Left?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Maybe it is because the new guys are incapable of writing a hit?

correct. slash does not bring up the subject. he is asked a question and he answers it.

We've barely heard anything from the new guys, so you can't say what they are or are not capable of.

Ali

Axl isn't interested in talking about..... anything, at all... Not even to his fans...


And did you noticed, that tv-show hosters and interviewers are the ones ASKING Slash (and Duff and Izzy) about Axl and not vice-versa?

We know they aren't capable of releasing an album!  :rofl: :rofl:

I think that's a pretty moronic thing to say considering they haven't put their album out yet. If after the album comes out and there are no hits on it, then you can say that (even though we have heard 5 or 6 really great songs from them so far and a few of them have the potential to become hits). But until then, no way.

If it were solely up to them I'd agree. ?But, it obviously isn't.

Ali

 ? ?I think it's just Axl just trying to be perfect in the new release, besides any legal issues. ?Maybe to an unhealthy degree but maybe he is doing so because the expectations are so high, that He is afraid of releasing something that he thought He could have improved. ?He may just want to blow people away and not just throw shit out there. ?There tends to be alot of bands that just throw shit out there and they are what they are.
 ? ?Slash may be right? ?Axl may just be afraid of his success? ?It's hard to follow up the previous stuff with something new in a world where the new music out there just sucks. ?GnR and Axl has been through so many changes that there are real legitimate reasons for so many delays so I can wait and relate because I'm in a business that one screw up can delay a job for very long periods of time.
 ? Axl may set the bar for himself so high that if he doesn't think it's perfect, he would rather just fix it. ?If you think as a fan your frustrated, imagine how Axl feels. ?He doesn't want to let himself or the fans down. ?There is a good amount of anxiety for performers who care about personal and professional integrity to keep up with an image that was thrust upon them, or self induced. ?Sometimes that can be a hugh problem for people in general to get through and look at the scale that GnR is at. ?Obviously He doesn't have a problem with his singing or the bands performance because of the extensive touring that GnR did, so it all comes down to the substance and legalities for the release of the CD. ?Hopefully soon a release will be out and we'll judge for ourselves.

I wouldn't.   He's not associated with Axl or GnR anymore.  he said himself on Letterman he hasn't spoken to Axl in 12 years.    All he needs to say is, "I dont want to comment on Axl or Guns because I havent' been associated with either in 12 years.  He does his thing, I do mine."     That wuld be the mature respectable thing to do, IMO.


He may not talk much, but he has talked some.  And Slash rarely ever comes up.   For example, the only time he was brought up during the interview last year with Eddie Trunk was when Axl was talking about how they wrote Its So Easy.     And that interview lasted for hours!

Imagine this scenario:


Interviewer: I'd like to ask about Slash....
Axl: No comment, next question please.

Impossible? No.





Bite me in the ass? Why?

You know you'll get the same story from Axl as you got years ago. His story is consistent.

If Axl chooses to talk about the subject, you'll be pissed off along with a bunch of Slash fans. It'll be the old "Axl's an asshole" routine because he'll say what he thinks and what really happened.




/jarmo

Im saying Axl will have to talk about Slash eventually in some kind of interview. Im not saying he will change a story or lie or say anything negative about Slash, but he will have to address the topic and it won't be with some ulterior motive, he will just be answering a question.


Don't even bring up the Eddie Trunk interview. Eddie would have swallowed Axl's load if he wanted him to, so of course he wasn't gonna ask any questions cause he was so thrilled to have Axl there he was watching everything very carefully.

Notice how uneasy everyone got when Chris Jericho went to speak?


Slash sounds like a guy who has done and said some things he regrets.  Think about it, How could u not miss playing with the greatest frontman in Rock n Roll history?

Its kind of like when u are married or have a really great girlfriend. After time u start to think that great frontmen/girlfriends grow on trees and that u can be successful/happy with many others.

Its only after u fuck up and leave the great one u are with that u realize that great people come around usually not once in a lifetime.

So Slash is regretting not finding a way to work things out with Axl and stay apart of GNR.

Who the fuck wouldn't? is that so bad of a thing to regret?

Being part of one of the greatest rock bands in history and leaving it would have to sting like a motherfucker.


Now u play with a frontman, half as talented an probably even more difficult to deal with.  So fuck yeah I can't blame Slash for being apologetic and talking.

It's just a guess on my part but the "poster" Jarmo is probably going on the 287287218721 GNR shows he has seen over the past year with the current lineup.

Is there someone here who really doesn't know who Jarmo is??? :rofl:

Axl did have a period of informing fans actually...remember the '6th of march tentative release date' and the firemarshall fiasco? look how that turned out...people bitch when there's no info, and if there's info then they'll find something else to bitch about...what's the point in informing people then? seems like a bit of a waste of energy to me.

Round these parts, he is the boss. :hihi:

Has jarmo ever trashed any guitar bit on a GNR song old or new?

One's ability in playing guitar and their character are  2 different things.

i think (i wont speak for red square, but he can chime in) he is talking about the officially released music out there by gnr. 99.99% has slash on it....remember, we aren't suppossed to listen to any unreleased new material....and even if we are, slash is still on about 98% of the gnr material out there...

I do understand where he is coming from but for me and probably a lot of people out there, true appreciation for a band comes from what they can do live, not what was done on their studio material.  The new studio material will come eventually but for right now what we have is the concerts we have seen over the past year. 

I think even Slash realizes that when the new studio material is released it is going to overshadow him even more.  I can't even say I blame him for doing what he is doing at the moment, most in his shoes would probably do the same.

sure. i agree to a point. however, studio albums are a huge part of who they are and how good they are. so, i don't agree with you that studio albums are not important...they are...and since we have been waiting for the new cd to be perfect, the band members sure think it is importnat...if and when the new cd comes out, i agree with you...it will blow everything out of the water...

Yes, he mentioned tentative date, and also in the same statement that "If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified"... I guess that didn't work out...

And if people would get some real news from the man himself, regarding to the release of the album (and i don't mean "number of tuesdays" and "soon" and shit like that) instead of listening to ten different mixes of same demos over the years... there would not be as much bitching as it happens now, i think.



M.

yes I know what he said, but like I said what's the point in informing when it's never good enough. And I think that when people take a tentative releasedate as the actual releasedate, it's pretty clear as to why we don't get any news about possible releasedates...I feel that the only time we'll get some news now regarding CD is when there's no chance on earth that something could set the releasedate back.

@Ibelieveinaxl: I just saw your signature...does that amount of gigs imply just GNR gigs or all the gigs that you've gone to over the years?

No matter what you claim to know, I never said I didn't like what Slash did in GN'R. I never tried to discredit his input in the GN'R legacy.

He was the guitar player for fuck's sake.

I might not agree with those of you who claim GN'R can't exist without Slash though.



Just because his statements make no sense to me and I don't like his current band, doesn't mean I hate the stuff he did in GN'R.




/jarmo

only guns n roses shows....

Wow that's really impressive! :peace:

thanks...its very simple...i love this band and have been around for a while. that number includes old gnr shows...ive been to about 30 or so new gnr shows...

probably and for gnr fans, whenever he talks about Axl and some reunion it's sorta like hearing an ex wife or ex GF of our best friend's dad wishing the friend's happy family we really like a divorce because she is unhappy with her present man and it makes us cringe, (doesn't it, kimberly?)

I guess you got to see the band live.

Wait, what???????  That was seriously confusing, like a riddle.

Yes, LIVE, everyone must see them LIVE!

 I wasn't noticing.  :-[
I should have put  it as 'like hearing some guy wishing his ex's  family a divorce because his present wife is a fraud. '

So, should I tell my boyfriend I think he is like the greatest frontman of all time?  I am still seriously confused. 

I kinda feel bad for Slash though.   I think he really wants what he had in the early 80's and 90's back and he can't seem to resolve in his mind that he just cannot have that anymore.

That riddle thing was kind of confusing, but if you're saying that I don't like the whole reunion subject because I like the current band just the way they are and don't necessarily want a reunion, then yes. (you actually remembered that I said that...)

yep.


Nope I just said that you don't mess with your ex girl 10yrs after you left the girl when she has a new BF/family and happy as D used the simile.

I was comparing Girlfriends/wives to frontmen



When u are dating a great girl or guy for instance, U forget how shitty most guys/girls are and u think u can find another great girl/guy but in reality if u have a great one, u better cherish and hold on to them cause another one probably won't come around.


Slash had the greatest frontman of all time but probably thought he could be happier and just as successful with another.

He got Scott who is half as talented and more a pain in the ass than Axl was, so now he wishes he still had the greatest frontman with a little headache over the frontman he has now. cause at least with Axl the headaches were worth it in the end due to the great music etc.

Interesting point there at the end.  I suppose, ultimately, Slash would have to answer who is the bigger pain in the ass.  Maybe they are different pains in the asses.  One being more related to his substance use, perhaps.  Just a theory.  Also, it reminds me that Axl has never denied he was a pain in the ass.  He said so in his foreword to Robert John's book and onstage at the end of the RIR III show.

Ali

As far as a bandmate goes, I'd speculate that Axl is off the scale more a pain in the ass in comparison to Weiland for the likes of Slash.

For a musician such as Slash, a guy who likes to work within the framework of a functioning band and all that entails, I think the inactivity would up the pain in the ass factor to the nth degree.

Slash is on Late Night with Conan O'Brien tonight so I'm sure there will be more to talk about. :D 

Maybe there should be a Slash TV/Radio/Book appearances to sell book thread...this is starting to get confusing. :hihi:

Mmm hmmm.? No doubt, he should assume responsibility.? However, in the face of Axl's infamously incendiary concert rants about Slash (Rio '01 and Albany '02 just to name a couple), I'd suggest that Axl is considerably more responsible for "what's been said and printed".? Don't forget, those concerts were public, hence were written and spoken about publicly by the media as well as fans.


Imagine this scenario:

Interviewer: I'd like to ask about Slash....
Axl: I haven't talked to Slash in 10 years.? I love the guy, I wanted the world to know how great he was...

Impossible?? No.

And you know why?? Probably because the above was actually said by Axl, in 2006 at some Korn party, and it made the news.? So there you have it.? Axl proved that he will indeed speak about Slash when asked about him.? Maybe not in every interview, and maybe not at length, but it's certainly not unreasonable or unrealistic to think that Axl is going to avoid speaking of Slash every time he's asked about him.? And let's face it, as much as Axl/new band fans delude themselves otherwise, Axl is going to be (and will always be) asked about Slash, regardless of any "new" band he's in.

Uh huh.? And when you hung out with Steven, how well DID he explain this to you?? Because in the following document, he went into a bit more detail on the issue.?? I found it posted around these forums.? Please consider the bold highlighted portions.


--Steven Adler, 1991 press release on his lawsuit against Guns N Roses....

They told me I had a drug problem, well, who the fuck were they to tell me that? A couple alcoholics and heroin users? Did they take some time in between fucking strippers to decide they were going to throw me out of the band? Doug Goldstein took me to have an opiate blocker, which made me very sick. I told them [Slash & Duff] that I felt sick and couldn't record. Slash told me we had to, because we couldn't waste the money. I said "Money? What about the money we wasted last year [referring to the 1989 Chicago rehearsal/recording sessions, in which only Slash, Duff, and Steven attended] when Izzy was cleaning himself up, and Axl was nowhere to be found? Why was it okay for those guys to waste the money, but not me [in order to] get well?" So anyway, they bring me into the studio and I feel like shit. It took me forever to get the song [Civil War] right, and they got frustrated with me. So next thing I know, Doug has a stack of papers in front of me that I could never fucking read because they were about five inches thick! He's telling me 'sign here, sign there' and telling me I was signing an agreement saying I was on "probation", meaning I was going to detox in time to record, or else. But it turns out, those papers weren't really giving me that chance. So I don't hear a fucking thing from anyone for awhile, then I got these notices saying 'you're out of the band'. Through my lawyers, I discovered that the "probation" papers that Doug had me sign were actually the rights to my partnership and all my royalties, which I was unknowingly signing away! They completely screwed me out of everything, these guys, [who were] my friends, my family. It hurt more than anything. My royalties were from playing, writing, and [use of] my image such as t shirts and shit. When we recorded [Appetite for Destruction], Slash came up with this system where whoever wrote got credit. But then when it came time to actually divide them up, suddenly everybody was getting credit but me. I mean, [for example] Izzy wrote the song "Think About You" by himself before we started playing it, yet Slash, Duff, and Axl were also going to be receiving royalties for it, since they supposedly "added to it". I said, "well what about me? Did I add nothing?" I mean Izzy wrote the fucking song, I thought that's how the writing credits were determined, but the other guys were getting credit for something they didn't write, and I wasn't. Same thing for all the other songs, Axl would get credit for songs such as "Brownstone" [written by Slash and Izzy] and "It's So Easy" [written by Duff and West Arkeen], even though he didn't write anything on them, and the other guys [who didn't write also got credit] too. So why not me? So Axl gave me a portion of his [to compensate for not being included], and my name was put beside the rest of theirs [in the writing credits] and that was that. But now they've screwed me out of those royalties and my other ones too. Two fucking albums that I played on are still selling and they're collecting money from them, and I'm not. Guns N Roses T shirts with my face on them are still selling, and they're collecting money from them, and I'm not. That's what they did to me, people I thought were my friends took it all away and said goodbye as if I never existed. Fuck that! That's why I sue them, and I'm confident the jury will see it my way.

Yeah.  Kinda portrays the situation in a different light, eh?

In fact, I think this document reveals Axl's statements to be rather vague and duplicititious.? Steven's statements here are MUCH closer to what Slash said in his autobiography, which presents the same theme: Steven was being ripped off and excluded and was only compensated after he protested.

So if you go by Slash's and Steven's statement in the aforementioned literature, and then compare it to Axl's story, Axl seems to be the odd man out.

I'm not disputing that Steven could very well be thankful that it happened, since that money supports him.? But that doesn't necessarily mean Axl was being a "good hearted soul" by giving the money to him.? Assuming Slash's and Steven's stories are true (a genuine possibility since they pretty much jive with each other), the royalties that Axl gave up were money that just should've gone to Steven in the first place.

This was a press release for legal problems he was facing. You know, lawyers involved, bullshit told or hidden.

I'm talking about an informal dialogue that took place more than a decade later, infront of his current (at the time) bandmates. Adler's Appetite 2004.

Since you asked, he explained it very well. He made it VERY clear that he was thankfull for Axl giving him part of his rights.

He also said that Axl wrote most of the stuff for AFD. I don't know what he meant by that, lyrics, melodies... But he did say that.

It was around 1 pm. He was sober. He just had breakfast.

He had no reason to say anything good for Axl. But he did...

Yeah, I got what you meant.? But just because lawyers were involved doesn't mean the statements made in the press release aren't accurate, or at least indicative of what went down.? Especially since other band member accounts seem to corroborate the story (Slash's autobiography, for example).


I don't doubt Steven is thankful.? He lives off that money, so I'm sure he's glad to have it, regardless of why it was given to him.

But if he didn't explain to you the circumstances on why it was given to him, it doesn't seem that he explained it very well.



Well, according to an 1988 issue of Metal Hammer, he's right as far as technical writing credits are concerned.? From memory, those credits stated that roughly half of the lyrics were written by Axl, and virtually all the vocal melodies.? Vocal melodies alone are worth 25%, so they're going to put Axl over.? My impression was always that songs were initially written, then the writing credits were changed because all other nonwriting members contributed to the final versions so much.? This is what the press release speaks of.

Nooooo, of course not.  Just because we don't have concrete proof of any mendacities on Axl's part means he's NEVER uttered any.  Yep, I believe that.   :P


Or Slash could follow a certain redhead frontman's example and scream "he can suck my dick!" to the audience.  Yeah, Albany 2002 was a "mature, respectable" example of the way Axl DOESN'T discuss Slash, wasn't it?

Some people are entranced in a "cult of personality" when the Axl Rose's name is mentioned.

I'm not sure how Slash brought that up, but if the ripping off of Steven was brought up as a means to show why he was unhappy in Guns and/or with Axl, that is complete bullshit.  He participated in the ripping off of Steven.  Axl seems like the only one who rectified that situation by giving Steven his royalties.

If Axl was given writing credit for his vocal melodies, and I listen to Appetite and strongly believe that he developed vocal melodies even on the songs he did not write lyrics for, why should that be given up to Steven in the first place?  Steven didn't write any vocal melodies or lyrics for that matter?

Ali

Slash doesn't need to follow Axl's example.  He's admitted his own regret about venting to the press about his bitterness and anger about the dissolution of the old GN'R.

Ali

maybe Axl was sick of hearing Slashite assholes screaming for Slash during the show.   Thats very disrespectful to him and the rest of the band.  Especially when it was Slash who left, he wasn't let go or fired.

I was utilizing sarcasm there, fella.


If you heard the Albany bootleg, you'd know this wasn't the case.  Axl went on a long tangent about Slash and Duff.  If you listen to Axlphiles, he was just "telling his side of the story", which is partially true.  But Axl telling his side of the story involved a number of nasty, derogatory remarks about Slash/Duff, much worse than anything any of the former Gunners have said about Axl.

So was I, fella.

Ali

What is pathetic is you people thst diss the former members which created the holy Guns n Roses you worship today. When this new circus puts out some music of there own and quits playing cover band just maybe you can have a Slash free GnR section. Slash is more GN'R than any of those hired hands in the Axl band these days.   :yes:

But for God's sake!

Was that really necessary?

You talk about how people should respect Slash and GN'R in the past... Then how about you start showing some respect for the band that we have today?

Don't come here and talk about how all the people should respect this and that, and then take a mighty stab at Guns N' Roses as it is today a second later. That's being a fucking hypocrite.

Noone here has EVER disrespected GN'R and its past, and no one ever will - It's a Guns N' Roses board, for crying out loud!

But Slash hasn't been involved with that band in over eleven years, and even though his biography mainly focus on GN'R, it still should be featured in the section he and the rest of the guys in Velvet Revolver is dedicated to, it's not that hard to understand and respect.

Anyway, fight away - I don't give a crap, because this thread will never be focused at the biography either way.

Not really.? Because you have to earn respect.? Slash did that during his time in GNR.? The new members haven't.? And they won't until there is music with their names on it released to the public.? Touring under the GNR name and playing sets consisting of 95% old songs (songs the new guys didn't write or record) isn't earning them anything except a reputation of being a nostalgia act or a cover band.? So there is a difference between respecting Slash for GNR-related material and respecting the new guys.

you are on a Guns N Roses board so you respect the guys who are in Guns N Roses today.  Period.

I am on a Guns N Roses board so I respect the guys who MADE Guns N Roses and its music what they were.? And that's the original members.? Not the new guys.? I'm not going to dish out respect to a bunch of blokes who haven't proven they can hold their own under the GNR name.? PERIOD.

You maybe need to buy a pair of glasses then. This thread was going just great until the master of ceremonies that runs this board made one of his smart ass comments, then all hell broke loose.


I did not disrespect that new band, i am just stating facts. They are hired hands, it's Axl Rose's band and Slash is still more GN'R than anyone of them. That IS NOT being a hypocrite. Stating facts, until they release something with there names under it, start playing a set list not made up entirely of the original bands material, then maybe they will get that respect that you some of you desire them to have.  You cant blame the band as they have as much knowledge as we have pertaining to the release of CD. Who's to Blame: that's easy. ???

Uh they already do?

No, Slash hasn't been in GnR for 12 years..

Fair or not, the imagery of the Slash "character" will always be tied to that of the GNR brand name
he helped create. 

No matter how long he's been out of the band that image will in all likelihood be more strongly associated to GNR than anyone who's has come after him.

Again, fair or not - we live in a world where perception is reality.  No matter how hard one tries
to get people beyond that era of the band, the polarizing imagery of the curly hair/top hat will remain a constant fixture in regards to GNR for the majority of the music listening public.

yes his image will always be tied to his time in GnR.. but that doesn't make him "more GnR" then people who are actually in the band.    you can't measure the amount of GNR in someone or something.

I had my pair of glasses on when I wrote that post, fella...

You're stating the obvious facts? May I ask what those are?

The only thing you're saying is that members in GN'R now are losers and they will never be apart of anything, until they release an album, correct?

But they've been in the band ALL along so there goes your so called logic and your so called facts - and don't try to go around the fact that you disrespect the band, because you do.

And you also claim that you aren't a "fucking hypocrite", and that you have done nothing - then what does this mean?




You did the exact same thing!

Am I right or wrong? You decide, because that's not something that I'm interested in hearing, because I would like to read about Slash's brand new book he's released.

Of course it doesn't.

However, I think most would agree that that particular image will always loom larger than life and be
more closely associated to the GNR brand name than anyone before or after him.

totally man, i mean you can get false gnr t-shirts off markets that just have a black n white image of slashs face with shades on, and gnr above it. So i can completely understand your point here falcon.

No, you just measure it strictly by a piece of paper that has an ownership stamp on it, right?? ?:P



They may have added a few new songs in, but their setlist still strongly revolves around old GNR songs.

there.. fixed it for ya.  : ok:

Slash is a legend!
 8)

This is becoming boring, the never ending New VS Old , Axl VS Slash shit that have poisoned this board and many other cool places...  Lets all agree that we love GnR, and mainly based on the things they did from 1985 to 1994, as thats where the majority of music, concerts, videos, press, stories come from like it or not.. But then its up to each individual to make up their mind if they like the new line up, Axl's vision of the future, Velvet Revolver, all the other bands thats popped up during the years of both old and new members and so on.. Thats just a matter of taste and opinion. But even if I am a huge Slash fan, and pretty loyal to him, I must admit that his best work in my eyes were done in GnR (except for a coupple of real good guest apperances) and also that the new line up dosent give me the same excitement as the older version yet.. But I will judge them more fairly when CD finnaly comes out, and I will not bash on anybody in here for your personal feelings and opinions on music. My point is lets make this board to a forum where we can discuss and share GnR related things without all this bullshit! I can understand Jarmos frustration as he, and many others have to sit and clearify the rules here over and over. He made this board, he runs it pretty good, he is respected by the GnR camp and we have gotten a lot of exciting news during these 11 years, so give him a break people! "When in Rome, do as the romans" or go make a better board if you cant respect a set of rules in here... I disagree with a lot of Jarmos opinions, but I dont have to behave like a 5 year old because of that? Now, lets go back to more interesting things like Slash's book, the Reckless Road book, Axl's guesting with Baz, and CD probably being released sooner than ever before! :peace:

i`m not too sure, wethere this was directed at me jarmo, but i`m quite sure, that you won`t be able to bring up one post of mine, claiming axl (or beta for that matter) is a liar.....

nevermind...

This sounds like something taken out of a South Park episode. It just happens to be so fucking retarded.