Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Not sure exactly WHEN, but Howard was going over the upcoming guests and said that Slash would be in for the first time in awhile.  I heard his last appearance on the show (2001) a couple months back and it was a great interview.  Howard always asks the questions everyone else is afraid to ask, so it should be good.  If anyone knows the actual date, please divulge.  If not, I'm sure I'll hear for sure in the coming days.  I'd have to imagine if it's not this week, it'd be next week. 

Love Howard but it will be a predictable interview..He'll ask about groupies, partying and perhaps 1 or 2 questions about Axl and GN'R. But he will not dig about Axl, because he thinks people care more about the groupes and porn stars..I notice w/ athletes and musicians Howard and the crew are not well prepared w/ interestiung questions. It's always about the girls. I'd be shocked if  he even asks about Savannah. They just mentioned her the other day on the show so if her name doesn't come up w/ Slash in the studio it shows how unprepared they are.

Can you tell me where you heard the 2001 interview with slash? Is it possible you could upload it?

I actually heard it on a replay on Sirius.

id dont agree. maybe with some people but not all the time. when ace frehley was on he actually walked out because stern was asking questions he didn't want to answer about kiss. i think it could be a really good interview. i'll be able to record it and upload it either way.

Cool, thanx a million dude!

Slash is scheduled to be on the show tomorrow.  For anyone that doesn't have Sirius, I believe you can sign up for a free online trial at www.sirius.com.  He's also on Opie and Anthony on XM tomorrow, and Conan tomorrow night.  He is certainly making his rounds.  Can't wait for Stern to interview him though, like I said I listened to his last appearance on the show and it was great.

Slash is on Stern NOW, interview started around 7:45AM ETD.  So it will replay on Howard 101 for the west coast at 10:45.

Kind of slamming Buckethead right now, saying he's technically proficient but isn't a ROCK guitarist cuz he doesn't play with any heart.

Pretty cool interview, just short of an hour long.  Nothing groundbreaking revealed, but a very interesting listen nonetheless.  Mostly talked about sex and drugs, then Axl.  Barely mentioned Velvet Revolver, till the end when he said that they had a new record out.  He did mention how unimpressed he is with the current state of rock and roll, which I think WE can all empathize with.

Did Slash say that or Howard Stern? I love how they still talk about Buckethead even though he left quite a while ago.  :-\

Slash said that.  And he is correct.  Buckethead is a great technical guitar playing, but can't put the heart into like slash.

So many Slash interviews! Whee!  :D 

Can anyone give us a link for the interview or maybe upload it? I?d really appreciate it lol.

Here is a recap I found at the gnrbar.com website:

http://p202.ezboard.com/Slash-On-Howard-Stern-This-Morning/fgunsnroses14385thegnrbar.showMessage?topicID=39031.topic



Interesting interview. They're all big fans of GNR so they had good questions. Long ass interview, sorry.

-Interesting Childhood. Made sure Howard knew his mom was a good person and a lot of what happened was behind her back.

- His mom dated David Bowie for a year and a half. Slash didn't like him because he was the first guy after his Dad.

- First drug experience was at the age of 12 [crack?] with a boyfriend of mom's

- Saw Sly from the Family Stone doing drugs

- When he got together with Steven to start a band as a kid, he was going to be a bass player. He went to a music school and the teacher was playing the guitar and having Slash accompany with bass; he changed his mind on the spot.

- Doesn't define himself by race

- He and Steven were the biggest druggies in the band. Said Axl was never a drug addict.

- Made clear that he left the band, not fired by Axl. Thinks a lot of the ill will comes from the fact that he thinks Axl feels abandoned by him.

- GNR started to deteriorate when Izzy left. Izzy was the mediator between Slash and Axl. All the contractual stuff soured him as well.

- Cheated on his wedding night [first wife] with Perla 

- likes the Foo Fighters

- Only time he used music charts was with Ray Charles

- Told the story of Izzy coming on his leg [I'm sure everyone has heard that one]

- Thinks Guitar Hero III is awesome

- Plays Chess. Howard challenged him. Slash also plays a lot of poker [watches it on TV and plays a lot of it on his cellphone]

- Was in rehab last year for Oxycotin

- Slash's SCOM riff was something he just did in rehearsal. When he was doing it, the rest of band started coming in with backing stuff and they just played along for a while. They didn't know Axl was upstairs. He was listening and wrote the lyrics while listening. The next day, he told them to play the song they were playing the day before. He started singing the lyrics on top of it.

- Liked grunge because he felt more in tune with them than the crappy hair bands and arena bands that were playing prior. Thinks grunge is just rock; an extension of Guns 

- Not working is what usually leads him to doing drugs

- NOT in to double penetration

- Ron Jeremy tried to double team a girl that was servicing Slash at a party once

- Hetfield crashed at his place once and he was with a girl. Slash had to get into the room he was in to get something. He walked in on Hetfield head fucking a girl. And he was doing the patented Hetfield noises...yeeeeaahhh-haaaa

- Blew the AFD signing bonus. He didn't want to put it in a bank because he had liens on his wages, so he carried around traveler's checks

- The Hard Rock incident. In Axl's defense, he says Axl had no idea he was coming and it wasn't Axl who barred him, it was the manager; who he hates  .

- Thinks it should be made clear to fans that GNR doesn't have original members in it. Thought that was weird to say

- Book signing in New Jersey tonight 

- Gary made fun of Buckethead. Slash says Buckethead is very technically proficient but he's not a rock guy. The music has no soul, no heart. You can tell when a guitarist is exposing his emotions through the guitar and Bucket doesn't have that

- Refused to answer a question about Axl and women. It was very jumbled; wasn't sure what Howard was trying to get to.

jesus he sure seems to be more interested in talking about Axl then he is his own fucking band.

actually he just answered the questions that he was asked.

so...wait, people don't know that already? you'd think that with all the stuff in the press pounding onto the fact that there are no original members in the band, people would get it by now.  :-\

does anyone happen to have a link where this interview can be downloaded...or some kind of podcast or something?

I agree.  It's been over a decade since Slash left and nearly a decade since Duff left.  People know.  And if they don't know that, what does that say about VR?

Ali

Also isn't he kind of saying Axl isn't an original member? And what about Dizzy? He's pretty much an original member, he was suppose to join the band before Appetite after all...

Yeah, he is saying that if he's saying that NO original members are in the band anymore.  Dizzy may not have been on Appetite, but he's a long standing member.

Bottom line, it's a weak argument to say people don't know that you're not in the band anymore.  Also, before you say that, maybe you should consider what that says about your current band when you say people don't know you're not in GN'R.


Ali

he's just bitter that GnR carries on without him :)

youd be suprised how many people don't know. even when i went to see them in NJ last year people AT the concert  didn't know.

Yeah, I'm hearing that more and more.

But, you can't say the band has been trying to keep the lineup a secret.  I don't know what else they are to do besides introduce the band in a story on the official site like they did last year.

Ali

I'd like to hear him say that.


Axl's there.


Anyway, kinda funny. The way VR was promoted as "featuring members of GN'R" and people knowing Slash.

I guess he's saying nobody knows Slash has a "new" band. ;)






/jarmo

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=104491

Howard had Slash from Velvet Revolver, and from Guns N Roses, come in. Slash has written a book so Howard started right in with that. He asked Slash if he talks about how he got started in the guitar playing thing. Slash told Howard that he did talk about how he used to spend like 12 hours a day playing guitar to get really good at it. He said that he didn't watch a clock doing that, he was just obsessed with the guitar and did it whenever he could.
Slash said that Steve Adler, from Guns N Roses, and he used to play together. He said that he was inspired to play after watching him banging on his electric guitar that he couldn't even play. Slash said that he was raised on music because his parents were in the music business. He said he found that he did have a knack for it and things worked out for him.

Slash said that he was going to play bass and Steve was going to play guitar. He said he went to a music class and the teacher was playing some Hendrix licks and he realized that's what he wanted to do. He said the teacher showed him how to string a guitar and some other simple things like that which helped him out.

Slash said that the teacher could learn any song by ear and he realized that he could do that himself so he didn't bother learning music scales. Slash said he still does stuff by ear to this day. He did some stuff with Ray Charles and he had to read some chord charts when he worked with him.

Howard read that Slash was married two times and he even cheated on his second wife the night before they got married. Howard said he thinks that it's because Slash's mom was having a love affair with David Bowie when he was a little kid. Howard found out that Slash's mom is a black chick and Howard figured that must be his thing to bang black chicks. Slash said that he doesn't consider himself anything after Howard asked him if he thinks that he's black. Howard also asked him if kids would shame him for having a black parent like that. Slash said he was always just different.

Howard read that Slash's mom used to do hard core drugs with him when he was like 12 years old. Slash said that his mother had a friend who would get him loaded when he was around 12. They'd go out and pillage the neighborhood in the middle of the night. Howard said that must screw up a kid like that when he's got an adult doing that stuff with him.

Howard said that Slash could have ended up being a junkie or something like that. Slash said he did have some artistic talent so he could have been an artist if he didn't become a guitar player. Howard said that Slash even entered into another dysfunctional family when he joined Guns N Roses. Slash said that Axl never was an addict but the other guys were using some of the hard stuff. He said that Axl would get high once in a while but he was never an addict.

Robin asked Slash what it would take to get him back into Guns N Roses. Slash said he left the band because there were some things that he couldn't handle. He thinks that Axl wouldn't want him back anyway. He said that they had some tough times getting the band on stage on time and things like that.

Howard asked Slash if he'll ever cut his hair since so many guys are cutting it short now. slash said he never really thinks about it. He said that he's always had that hair, ever since he was a teenager.

Howard said that Slash must have loved having David Bowie hanging out at his house. Slash said it was cool but he was only 9 or 10 years old. He said he was pretty apprehensive about hanging out with him because he was the first guy that was around after his father left.

Howard asked Slash what attracted him to the drugs because he seems like such a reasonable guy. Slash said that it came down to the amount of down time he had. He said that when he was out on the road he was in work mode. When he had down time he wouldn't know what to do with himself. That's what led to him doing the drugs. He said he tries to keep the work thing going so he doesn't fall into that again.

Howard asked Slash if he's cheated on his wife since they got married. Slash said he hasn't done that. Howard asked him if he's on Subutex like Artie is. Slash said he used it for a short time and that was just a year ago. He said that it was to get off of Oxycontin though, not heroin. Slash talked about how he had smoked heroin for the first time and it didn't do anything for him. He later shot it up and it worked then. He said it was probably about a year between those two times.

Robin asked Slash if it was weird to wrap up his arm and stuff. Slash said that was half the fun doing that. He said that he eventually found that the stuff didn't do it for him the way it did that first time so he just got out of it. He said he didn't do any rehab for that but did a rehab stint about a year ago.

Howard asked Slash about the rules that some guys in the bands have about him not drinking in front of them. Slash said none of that goes on with him. He said he doesn't drink himself now and it's working just fine for him. He doesn't mind if people drink in front of him.

Slash said that the rehab he went into was a place where you needed a lot of money to get into. He said that he was the only one there at the time so there weren't any other people to deal with. He was getting off of the Oxycontin at the time.

Howard read an excerpt from Slash's book where he talks about Izzy cumming on his leg while they were both taking turns doing this chick. At the time he told Izzy that they had to get a bigger place to live in. He said that it was a really bonding moment though. He said that Izzy didn't know where he was because it was kind of dark in the room at the time. Howard asked him what he did with the load after that. Slash joked that he had her lick it up but he'd actually used one of the blankets on the bed to wipe it off.

Howard asked Slash if he felt bad for these chicks that they used to double team. Slash said he's not even sure who these chicks were so he didn't think about it. Slash told Howard that he used to throw parties and he remembers one time having this chick on top of him and Ron Jeremy got behind her and started doing stuff to her so he felt kind of invaded at that point. He had to put a stop to that stuff after that happened.

Howard asked Slash about sharing the chicks with Izzy and if they would use different inputs or something. Slash said he never really did the anal stuff. He said that he thinks that he'd be getting oral while Izzy would be doing her and they'd switch around. He said that he's prefer to have one or two girls for himself and not share. He said he can count on one hand how many times he actually did share a girl.

Slash said that he remembers some incidents with other guys that he put in his book. He said that his buddy James Hetfield from Metallica had a girl in his hotel room one time and he was face fucking her against a wall and doing it in that really intense way that he does his singing with the band. That happened before he was married of course.

Howard said that Slash talks about the things that went on with Guns N Roses and how he blew his signing bonus shortly after he got it. Slash said it was only $7,500 so it wasn't all that much. There were a bunch of other wild stories that Howard mentioned being in the book. Slash had one story about a girl waking him up blowing him. He said that she was only a kid too. He said that she was probably only 14.

Slash said that when he was growing up he saw a lot of adults having sex. He even walked in on his parents having sex one time. It was just the one time though.

Gary came in and asked Slash about what happened a few years ago when Axl was going out as Guns N Roses and performing and he went to see them. Slash said he wanted to see the show and they refused to let him come into the venue. All he wanted to do was see the band but he was kept out. He said that he'd never seen the band before and they thought he wanted to come in with his guitar and top hat and take over on stage. He said he was intrigued to see what Guns N Roses was at that point.

Howard asked Slash what he thinks about Van Halen now that they have Eddie's son in the band. Slash said that they have to make it clear to the public that not all of the original members are in the band. That's kind of what he was thinking with the Guns N Roses thing. He said he really didn't want to do anything at that show he went to though.

Gary said that he went to see Guns N Roses a few years ago and they had this guy Buckethead playing in the band. Slash said he actually went out as that guy for Halloween a couple of years ago. He said that he's heard some of that guy's stuff and he's technically proficient but there's no heart there.

Slash was also saying that Axl didn't even know he was at that Hard Rock show that time. He wasn't the one who banned him, it was a former manager of theirs that did that.

Howard read that Slash has only gotten one STD in his life. He got genital warts on his penis and one time had some odd legions on his stomach as well. He said that he was thinking that it could be AIDS legions but that's not what it turned out to be. Slash said that he really lucked out he didn't get anything else because he wasn't really using protection all the time.

Howard read that Tommy Lee once teabagged him when he was passed out. Slash said that the balls didn't touch him, at least he doesn't think they did. He said he was passed out at the time and only has pictures to see what happened.

Howard asked Slash why he had sex with this ex-girlfriend the night before he got married. He said that they had always had a good time together and someone ended up ratting him out for everything that he'd done behind her back. They separated for a little while but he got lonely and wanted to go back. He said he was like a sex addict back in the day and he would have 4 hotel rooms at a time when he was staying in the hotels just so he could bounce around. Howard asked him how many chicks he's banged. He said he doesn't know and he doesn't brag.

Howard asked Slash how his kids are going to rebel against him with all of the crazy stuff he's done. Slash said he doesn't know. He said that the kids are really good kids at this point. He said that they have two boys now and that's probably payback for everything they've done.

Howard asked Slash about the bands that are out now and who he likes. Slash said that the Foo Fighters still get what rock and roll is all about and they're one of the greatest bands to come out in the past 15 years. He said that Dave Grohl is a great guitar player and a great writer and he had no idea that was going to come from the drummer in Nirvana.

Howard said that Slash has written a great book, it's called ''Slash.'' He's also in the game Guitar Hero 3. Gary said that it's one of the coolest games ever too.

Gary asked Slash where he came up with the licks for ''Sweet Child of Mine'' because he thought that they were warm up licks. Slash said they weren't warm up licks but it was just something he came up with out of nowhere. that's what led to them writing the song when Axl heard him play it.

Gary also said that Shuli used to live out in Vegas and he worked at a store where they used to develop film. He said that the actually developed some film of Slash naked. He said that he saw the pictures and didn't realize that it was slash who had dropped the film off at the store until he saw the pictures.

Artie asked Slash about his drug use and what caused more chaos in his life. Slash said that the coke is what really made him nuts. He said he'd do heroin most of the time and he did some crazy stuff on that. He said that he did something at an event one time and he could have gone to jail if the promoters hadn't sent him home. Slash said he was running around naked thinking that something was chasing him. He was hallucinating at the time and ended up knocking down a maid at the hotel. She filed charges against him for that. Slash said that the was such a mess that the doctors had to put a difibrilator in his heart to keep him alive.

Howard said that Slash was at Anna Nicole's funeral so he wondered what that was about. Slash said that his wife was close to her but he wasn't. He spent a minute talking about that and then Howard wrapped up with him. Slash mentioned that the band he's in now, Velvet Revolver, has a new album out as well. That's called ''Libertad.'' They went to break after that.

He's promoting his autobiography so obviously GnR and Axl are going to be discussed.

I thought it was a good interview. I would have loved it if Slash would have played a few licks, but thats cool.

yes.. its great to know that Slash has warts on his private parts.   :nervous:

talk about giving too much info  :-\

Hey can someone upload this or something? That would be cool :beer:

if its not uploaded today, i'll be able to upload it late tonight / early tomorrow morning.

there wasnt as much axl talk as u would think
his letterman interview was pretty good too ... but howard stern was more in depth

They do???

if you are trying to be funny, you aren't.   if you are being serious, where have you been for the last 2 years?  :confused:

i've been waiting on an album for that time, wait, actually longer...

then are you making stupid posts?

About Slash's comments about GNR and its original members.  I don't want to put words in his mouth but I do think he's sort of saying, he wish Axl would've dropped the name BUT since he knew that wasn't going to happen he wished it was made more clear that it was a NEW band.  Sounds harsh, BUT, people have mentioned for some reason or another SOME people still don't even realize that Axl is the only original member left.  The only real way to let the public know once and for all is to release Chinese Democracy once and for all.  I love the new band (seen them twice, never had the pleasure of seeing the old band), but they are never going to get the respect they deserve until they release some music.

And some people commented on how it's sad that SOME people don't even realize that Slash is in a new band these days.  That's very true too, Velvet Revolver has flown far below the radar, especially this second time around.  But that sort of goes along with the sad state of rock and roll that Slash alluded to in the interview.  The public just doesn't know good music these days, I'm beginning to wonder if anyone can save us, EVEN Axl.

Glad to see Slash agrees with me on Buckethead


I think Slash is doing a great job. He isn't making Axl out to be a bad guy, I think he is doing great answering questions and keeping the answers as civil as possible.

Slash was way off base with his assessment of Buckethead.  Just go listen to his Colma album, Slash.  He can play with as much feeling as you.  He may not do it as consistently, but he can do it.

Ali

Couldn't agree more... Slash even said himself that he barely heard any buckethead stuff, but that he only heard some songs.

Indeed.  If he hasn't really heard the man's music, he's really in no position to make a qualified, informed judgement.

Ali

if he's promoting his book, that's what the majority of it is about

No shit.? Velvet Revolver has only been around for a couple years, so of course the majority of the book isn't going to cover that band.? Guns N Roses was Slash's seminal, formative band which introduced him to the music world.? As a musician, he grew up in that band and it gave him the greatest success of his career.? So of course most of the stories in the book will be about GNR, not VR.

They could advertise it at the ticket sites so that fans know who they're seeing before they click that button to purchase.? But the fact is, while I won't disagree that Axl isn't keeping the new band a secret, it's in his best interest not to publicize too much.? The name Guns N Roses is so attractive and has such a storied past, that people who want to see the live show are going to automatically associate the name with past members (mainly Slash).? So it probably wouldn't be wise for Axl to shout it off the rooftops that the former members aren't there anymore, especially since the new band has yet to prove themselves musically (since they haven't released an album and primarily play covers of the original band's songs at their shows).



Maybe Slash is going on Buckethead's renditions of the GNR material.? I'm sure he's heard some of that.


I think you guys are being too literal about that statement.? I am 100% certain that Slash realizes that Axl is an original member.? I think all of you wise-asses know that what Slash meant is that BESIDES AXL, there are no original members there, and people should be made aware of that.

And Dizzy Reed IS NOT an original member, period.? He didn't contribute to GNR music (only playing a few superfluous piano parts on the UYI albums), and he's no less of a hired gun than any of Axl's current band members.? Only difference is he's been there awhile longer.





Just because people know Slash has a new band doesn't mean they're going to know he isn't in Guns N Roses anymore.

Look at Motley Crue.? In late 2004, Nikki Sixx was just starting a new band Brides of Destruction and releasing an album with them.? Tommy Lee was wrapped up in various projects which included Methods of Mayhem and solo albums.

But when a Motley Crue tour was announced in early 2005, everybody nevertheless assumed that the ORIGINAL members would be there, even if they knew about Tommy's solos stuff, or Brides of Destruction.? And they were correct, both Tommy and Nikki immediately dropped what they were doing and did the Motley Crue tour.

So even if people are well aware of Velvet Revolver, it's perfectly logical to still assume Slash will be at a Guns N Roses show.? You people have to bear in mind that not everybody reads crap on the internet to be savvy of all the lineup changes.? Some people just go on association.? They hear Guns N Roses, they think of Slash and assume he'll be there, even if they know about Velvet Revolver.

There is nothing more that could be done to inform the public of the new lineup.  By your logic, then everytime there is a significant lineup change in any band, efforts have to be made ensure the ticket buying public is aware of said changes.  Does Van Halen have to advertise it in their promos that Michael Anthony is not in the band?  What about the next time Motley Crue is touring without Tommy Lee?  At a certain point, you have to put the onus on the consumer to make informed, researched purchasing decisions.  You wouldn't spend $150-$200 on an mp3 player without looking into it a little would you?  With concert prices these days, why would you make such casual ticket purchases?

If Slash really wants to make an informed opinion on Buckethead's ability to play with emotion, he should give the man's work a listen.  Anyway, his KOHD solo at RIR III was proof enough of the man's ability to play a beautiful, lyrical solo.

Considering the degree and length of touring VR has done, one would have to be somewhat clueless about the limitations of a 24/7 week to think that any other project could be fit in.  The problem with your Crue analogy is that at the time Methods of Mayhem and Brides of Destruction were going on, the Crue band was not together.  So, there were no sideprojects going on then.  They just had one project, Brides and MOM.

Ali

Notice how Slash completely tried to dodge Howard's "I hear Axl has a small penis" comment?  Slash was like, uh,hm and moved on.  hahaha.  Wonder where Howard heard that anyway? :o :rofl:

I'm sure Howard was just joking about that, trying to goad Slash into saying something outrageous and against Axl.  Slash didn't fall for it though, I thought he came off pretty well due to the semi-tough line of questioning.  I do think people are taking his words too literally in some parts.  I don't think he meant to insinuate that Axl was not an original member.  I do question his comments on Buckethead though.  I thought those were a little unnecessary.  At first he said he couldn't really comment on him because he never really heard his work.  Then it quickly changed to he heard a couple of songs and he played without any heart.  Well, which one is it?  It sounds like he's a bit jealous that he was ONE of the guys who tried to fill his role in the band.  Not that I don't agree with his comments, but it just sounds that way to me.

GN'R is doing what they've always done.

They didn't exactly have ads saying "Guns N' Roses - now featuring Matt Sorum and Gilby Clarke" during the UYI tour.





/jarmo

Exactly.  Two of the five Appetite era members were gone and GN'R didn't go out of their way to announce it did they?

It sounds like a double standard to say that now that Duff and Slash, or just Slash for some people, are no longer a part of GN'R, now GN'R has a resposibility to make damn sure the public knows the lineup, but it wasn't as imperative back in the UYI days when two of the five original members left, including one the most important members.

Ali

I agree completely. only now it's 'different' because it's happened to him personally. As long as the music sounds great then I'm sure people will survive the total shock of the change of bandmembers over the years.  :P and seeing the amount of people at the shows and how 9 out of 10 people reacted to the band and the music I'd say that they have indeed survived.

Of course you all agree completely.  The only reason you guys see it that way is because you're fans of Axl and the new band.  Period.  Anybody with an ounce of objectivity can tell you that there is a very distinct difference between touring with THREE members of the original band (as they did during UYI) and having ONE member of the original band present.

During the UYI days, it certainly wasn't a true "original" lineup since Steven and Izzy were gone, but three of the originals were still there.  Touring with three out of five original members is fairly common in the music world.  Generally, people still accept as the same band, because the majority of the original members are still there.

But now, there is ONE original member.  ONE out of FIVE that is still there.  That's 20% (a small minority) of the original members.  If you can't see the difference, there's nothing I can say that will cease your denial.

It's funny, I know you people are not ignorant enough to not realize that this lineup ISN'T the same band, because you refer to it as the "new" band.  So you refer to it as the NEW BAND or NEW LINEUP, but yet you can't understand what Slash is talking about when HE says that people should be aware of THAT VERY FACT?  Weird.



Nikki Sixx IMMEDIATELY jumped ship back to Motley Crue from Brides of Destruction.  So it was as close to simultaneous as you can get.  One minute he was touring with Brides promoting their album, and the next, a Crue tour was announced.  Nikki very abruptly left Brides to return to Motley, something that pissed off his bandmates (namely Tracii Guns).  And Tommy also has a notorious habit for jumping from project to project very quickly.

And besides, whether it's simultaneous or a side project is really irrelevant.  Just because people know about Velvet Revolver (and Slash being a part of it) still doesn't mean they keep complete tabs on when they're touring and what Slash is doing at that exact moment.  Conceivably, people could've purchased Libertad and then heard about a Guns N Roses tour, and presumed that Slash wasn't doing anything more with VR at that time, and that he'd be back with GNR.

Like I said, just because we surf the net and have down to the minute VR and Axl news doesn't mean the rest of the world bothers with it.

No sir.  The reason I see it that way is because I appreciate that Izzy was as important a part of GN'R as Slash.  Of course there is a difference between touring with three members of the original band vs. one.  But that wasn't the point.  You missed that.

The point was the hypocrisy of saying that some greater than normal effort should be made to inform people that Slash and Duff are no longer in the band when no such effort was made when Izzy and Steven were out of the band.  That UYI lineup was a NEW band and no effort beyond the norm was made to inform the public of that.

No references to generalities with other bands will change the hypocrisy in what Slash is saying.  If you are in denial of that, well, you know the rest :)

Ali

Of course there's a difference.

But some things stay the same.


Besides, it seems like several "GN'R fans" have a different opinion about when GN'R ended for them.

Nobody says it ended when Steven was fired or Izzy left. I wonder why...... Many were happy to call it GN'R as long as Slash was there because he's their idol.





/jarmo

To me, right now GNR is the new members-it's always been a kind of evolving band-as much as I like Slash, Duff, Izzy, and I like the solo albums, I've always agreed with Axl's vision for GNR-GNR to me now is Axl. Tommy, Robin-the former members have been gone for 10 years now. Get over it.

Quite the contrary.? Touring with one original vs three original members is EXACTLY the point.? And there is no hypocrisy on Slash's part, because it's obvious that this is what he means as well.? And your posts just prove my point about you.? You really don't comprehend the difference between having 1/5 of the original band there as opposed to 3/5, even if you say/think you do.? Because if you really did, you'd understand what Slash is saying.? He's making an accurate generalization that the current lineup DOESN'T include original members (Axl notwithstanding).? Conversely, the UYI lineup DID include original members besides Axl, even if it doesn't include all the original members.

And the way this correlates to the publicity thing is very simple.? If fans are ignorant of the GNR lineup and went to an Illusions show, they may be disappointed that Steven and Izzy aren't there, but at least three of the members they know and love still are there.? But if they went to a current show, there's only one there.? You can't see why fans would feel a little jilted at seeing only one there instead of three?? You can't see why fans need to know that?



I'd say virtually every GNR fan has a different opinion on that matter.



I'm insulted by you calling me a nobody, Jarmo, because that's precisely what I think.? The original members are the only GNR for me.? I didn't truly consider it GNR during the Illusions days, but even so, I am still sensible enough to understand how some people could, since more than half the originals were still there.


"Getting over it" is irrelevant to this discussion.

I apologize.

I've just never come across anybody who thought GN'R in 1991 wasn't GN'R.



/jarmo

^ Bridge, you're making a whole helluva lot of good points in your posts, and I mostly agree with you : ok:
PS, someone will probably soon inform you, based on your view of GNR, how you don't belong here. ;D

You two just stick to the VR section to talk about the STP covers Slash plays these days.  ;D



/jarmo

blahblahblah ;D
STP covers or not, any band with Slash in it is always better than...hm...any band without Slash in it! :yes:

Now we know how objective you are.

Thanks.  : ok:



/jarmo

No, touring with three vs. one original member was your point!!! ?Not mine. ?You missed mine.

Your posts prove my point about you. ?Slash is making a distinguishment between having lost two key original members, including perhaps the most important member of GN'R, and having him and Duff not in the band. ?The band didn't go from five original members to one overnight. ?No additional or excess effort was made when Slash was in GN'R during the UYI days to inform the public of the loss of perhaps the most important member of GN'R, their principal songwriter during Appetite, Izzy Stradlin. ?In addition, the man who laid the foundation for GN'R's songs, Steven Adler, was no longer there.

Two key members gone. ?No excess effort made to inform the public of those changes. ?Two more key members gone, and now excess effort shold be made to inform the public? ?Can you not see the disconnect there?

If the fans were ignorant of the Illusion era lineup and went to see the band minus the principal songwriter, can't YOU see how fans would've been jilted at that? ?Can't YOU see why fans would need to know that?

No over the top effort was made then to inform the public of MAJOR changes in the lineup, and yes, when you lose your principal songwriter and the foundation of your rhythm that is a major change, back then. ?None should be made now.

You apparently don't comprehend the difference between having 5/5 original members and 3/5 original members, even if you say you do. ?If you did, you would see the point that I am making and you wouldn't bring up completely invalid points like having at least half, or most, of the original members of a band is "generally" accepted by the public. ?Did you not see the outcry and bitching by the fans when Van Halen went out on tour without Michael Anthony? ?Or the bitching by the fans and the public when Smashing Pumpkins reformed with only two of four original members?

If you did, you would see that it is NEVER the same when you lose an original member, even one. ?And, you wouldn't be so enveloped in making your point that you would see that going from 5/5 original members to 3/5 is just as huge a deal as going from 3/5 to 1/5 and that some sort of policy on public awareness of a band's lineup cannot be selectively enacted.

Ali

that's allright, it was just to show the mirror image of your reply. : ok:

i'm insulted that you feel you are some kind of authority to decide what is or isn't GnR.  YOU DONT MAKE THE CALL.    So shut up about it.


Its every bit relevant.  Its been over a decade since your lil hero left the band.    you either like it or you don't.  but what you don't have is the authority to say whether or not it is GnR.  Again, you do not make that decision.  Its not up to you.  You don't own the name.   Axl Does.   SO yes. Get the fuck over it. 

I'm insulted that you think you have an authority over other peoples thoughts and opinions. YOU DON'T MAKE THAT CALL! so shut the fuck up about it.
this is getting funny ;D

fuck off     

I never claimed I did.   

none of you whiny ass losers who are stuck in 1988 get to decide who is or isn't GNR.  Axl Rose is the only one who makes that decision. 

oh I dunno, why don't you fuck off instead?
Im sorry to tell you that I am right now stuck in 2007.
too bad your lame ass comments don't go anywhere, if they did, you could actually have been a clever fella.

I will, thanks.? It's a lot better than sticking to the Guns N Roses section and talking about the GNR covers that Axl and his cohorts play these days.


No, apparently you do.? Apparently, you presume to be the God of everyone's thinking around here.? If anyone disagrees with you, they're wrong and subject to an infantile bashing from you, as if YOU'RE some kind of fucking authority.


Very mature way to present your viewpoints.? I rest my case.



That issue of when Slash left was never brought up and you're just ranting pointlessly.? You just feel the need to start throwing darts at anyone you see on these boards (even if it's the VR board) who thinks any differently than you do.


Yes you did.? You do it all the time.? Maybe not but explicitly making the statement "I control your opinions and thoughts", but by your tempermental, pervasively asinine attitude.? Virtually every post you make is insulting someone else and telling them exactly what to think (such as demanding that I respect the new lineup, PERIOD!).



Wow, now you're getting nasty and calling names.? Very nice.? I just reported that post to the mods.? Though I suppose we'll see what jarmo does about it, since he seems to side with you.? Oh yeah, and I quoted everything you said (both here and in the report), so don't waste your time trying to edit your post to make it appear as though you didn't say it.

it has nothing to do with a way of thinking.   

it has nothing to do with me thinking I decide what GnR is.  I don't decide!  Axl does.  He is the person who owns the name and he decides what Guns N' Roses is.  That is not up for debate.  It is 100% fact.   


:rofl:   

i'm just sick of the same "its not GNR" arguments" or "its not the real GNR" or being made out to look like an idiot because I actually do support the band.  I'm going to say this one more time, then I am done with you.   You do not decide who is or isn't GnR.  Neither do I.   This board is for Guns N' Roses and that means present day.  If you choose to ignore that, expect people to give you a hard time.

what are you, some whiny ass loser? why don't you just shut up..?

You couldn't be more wrong.? Axl is the last person to decide what GNR is.? EVERYONE who holds the name and legacy of Guns N Roses near and dear to their hearts is entitled to decide for themselves what Guns N Roses is.? And what it means will undoubtedly be different to whomever you ask.

This just illustrates your argument for what it really is: bullshit legal technicalities.? You gauge what GNR is strictly based on who legally owns the damn name, and I assure you, it's a hell of a lot more than a name to all the fans who have supported it over the years.



Well, quit coming to the EX MEMBER section and ARGUING with us!? There you go, that will make the debates cease!? See, that again proves your attitude.? You think, "the it's-not-GNR arguments will cease when those OTHER PEOPLE shut up."? You're not realizing that it works both ways, the debates will also cease if YOU shut up and let us be "whiny ass bitches stuck in 1988" that you claim we want to be.

Now if people do that in the "current GNR" section, you'd have more grounds to bitch about it.? But the fans of the original lineup gravitate to this section to talk about the original lineup.? And we're entitled to do that.? People like you don't own the whole damn site.


And you're guilty of make people out to be idiots (or "retards") because they don't support the new band.? It works both ways.? And dude, you're not an idiot because you support the band.? Whether or not you like the new band doesn't mean a hill of shit to me.? What gets me is the fact that you spend a shitload of time doing EXACTLY what you tell us not to do.? You claim we spend our time whining about the new band and the lineup, etc, but then you spend all your time here (in the ex-member section) telling us to shut up, calling us names, telling us to leave the site, etc.


Once again, you're trying to assert yourself as a figure of a authority, trying to dictate what this site is about.? I'm going to repeat what I just said above....YOU DON'T OWN THE WHOLE FUCKING SITE!? There is a section -- THIS FUCKING SECTION -- which is devoted to discussing the FORMER MEMBERS OF GUNS N ROSES!? And that's exactly what we're doing, then you come in and start bitching about what we're doing.? If the entire site was strictly dedicated to the new lineup, this section would not exist.

And if YOU choose to ignore THAT, if you choose to invade the ex-gunner section and bitch about the people who like and appreciate the ex-gunners, then you can expect ME to give YOU a hard time.

http://rapidshare.com/files/66852561/HowardSlash2007_11-1-2007_8_08_51_PM.mp3.html

enjoy, if it's been posted already delete.

Thanks, I'll be sure to grab it later.

Are you fucking stupid?   Who owns the name?   

I wasn't going to respond, but wow....

Jim BoB & Jarmo = 2 of the most slash/velvet revolver haters I have ever seen.  But still, They hang out in the VR section all the time and read slash's book.

Me thinks they love him!  :-*

I havent' read Slash's book.  I probably will one of these days just to see what it says but I'm in no rush.

And I don't HATE velvet revolver or Slash.    Hate is a strong word.  I've been a GnR fan since 1991 and you won't see me diss what Slash used to bring to the band.   

Do I like anything he's done since leaving GnR? 
No. snakepit and VR are neither bad nor good.   

Do I want him to come back to GnR?
No, I can appreciate what he brought to the band and still want to see it move forward with Robin and co. 

Am I sick of his hardcore fans bashing Axl, GnR, and the guys who replaced him?
Yes.  And in particular I am very tired of the "its not GnR" arguments.   No one on this board has the right to 'make up' what is or isn't GnR.   None of us own the name, Axl does.  It shouldn't even be up for argument, yet people won't shut up with that shit all these years later.

Slash thanked us.

He didn't thanks his fans or VR fans, he thanked GN'R fans. Which means Jim Bob and me.  :-*



Oh, and I don't hate Slash. I don't know him. So your whole idea of hating somebody I don't know is way off (surprise surprise). I think VR's music is boring though.


I just have way less respect for a liars and a thieves..... No matter if they're ordinary people or somebody who used to be in GN'R.


So, how about you focus on saying something about the subject and less time focusing on "you hate Slash". It just makes you look dumb because you have nothing else to say.




/jarmo

I for one am honored that Slash thanks me in his book.  :D   Maybe I'll make an effort to pick this up sooner, but i'm so damn busy.   too busy to start reading a book right now.

No, I Like to focus on how you constantly state how you dislike the old members and velvet revolver,(Because you love to talk about it) but yet you post more in VR section than anywhere else, and you read slash's book and point out all the errors in several threads. So your dislike for Slash and CO. is very evident even though you love to talk about it.

You don't like Slash (or his lies) We get it!
That's really all I was trying to say, is We get It!

How about you do something different for a change and say something positive? Tell us what you do like about Slash or anything he's done since 1996? I'd like to hear that.

Of course you would. Because it's more fun to talk about me than having to deal with the reality of VR's new album sucking.



Liar liar, pants on fire:
    

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So I shouldn't read his book where he talks about my favorite band because I don't like his current band?

Who are you to decide what I can read?


I love GN'R, I love the music Slash played on while he was in GN'R.

And unlike people like you who try to ridicule what the others are doing or did in GN'R, I never said the former members had no part i making GN'R what it is.

Unlike many of you (or so it seems, no offense meant), I grew up (or refused to grow up depending on how you see it) around the time when GN'R were the biggest band on the planet. I didn't just experience it all on Youtube.



I liked his performance of Hey Joe at that UK Hall of Fame.




Tell me what you like about Robin Finck of Guns N' Roses since you're posting on a Guns N' Roses fan site. I'd like to hear that.



/jarmo

Of course you ignored everything I said which explicitly explained what I meant.? So thanks for proving my point about you.? Everything just degenerates down to who owns the name when it comes to people like you.

And I also noticed you ignored everything I said about that the way that YOU are entirely responsible for starting shit around here.? Why?? Because YOU come into the ex-member section and start bitching and moaning about the fact that we're celebrating the EX-MEMBERS.?

Oh, now I'm "fucking stupid".? First it was a "whiny ass loser stuck in 1988".? And I've noticed Jarmo hasn't even bothered to pay attention to either insult.? I guess I was right when I earlier suggested whose side he's on around here.

Funny (and ironic) for someone like you to suggest anyone here is "stupid", here let me break this down so you can understand it this time.

THIS IS THE EX-GUNNERS SECTION.? IN THIS SECTION, WE TALK ABOUT THE EX-GUNNERS.? AND BECAUSE WE REVERE THE EX-GUNNERS, WE MAY OCCASIONALLY STATE THAT NO OTHER BAND COULD BE GUNS N ROSES EXCEPT THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS.? And we have the right to say that, because we are in the proper fucking section for said statements/discussions.

PERIOD.

If you don't like that, stay the fuck out of the EX-GUNNERS section and in your "new Guns N Roses" section where you can say whatever you like.? Notice how I'm not intruding in that section spewing my rhetoric they way you are here.

I love the new version of KOHD. It blows me away.
If they changed all the old songs like that, every version would be amazing.

Fans who support the current GN'R.

Because those are the fans this site is aimed at.


 : ok:



/jarmo

Thanks for clarifying.? So when are you planning to just delete this section?? Because obviously, the ORIGINAL band that made GNR what it was shouldn't have any representation on a Guns N Roses site!? Never mind that I (along with other ex-member fans) are posting in the proper section (the ex-member section), it's just all our damn fault for sparking the tempermental infantiles around here who have a hunger for malevolently tearing down anyone who doesn't think the way they do.    ::)

Oh yeah, one more question, when are you planning to amend your rules to saying "It's not cool to insult other users.....unless they are EX MEMBER FANS!"

Because that's obviously the way you're operating.? Well done chap.

dude i'm not insulting you.  i asked if you were stupid, i didn't call you stupid.  :beer:   maybe the whole stuck in the 80s whiny thing was a bit of a jab and you have my sincerest of apologies if it hurt your feel goods.  :peace:

i ain't got nothin against you personally, but to think you can say whether or not the band thats legally GnR really is or isn't GnR is pretty laughable.    and I did read what you wrote.   The name on my ticket stubs say "Guns N' Roses".. so thats a fact.   Can you prefer older lineups and think they are the definitive lineup of GnR?  sure, thats fine.   But you can't say this band isn't GnR because it is and that is the bottom line.   And claiming Axl is the last person qualified to make that decision is just a dumb thing to say.   Do you have any part in GnR's history?
   
this section, Its a place we can discuss the ex-members of the band. after all, they did play a key role in GnR's early success, so why not have a section for them to keep up with what they do?  that doesn't mean we have to love everything they do.   I dont think there is a need for a VR only section, i think it could all go in one section, but its not my site to make those decisions.

But you have a WHOLE LOAD of respect for wifebeaters. But does it matter to you if they are ordinary people or somebody who used to be in GN'R?

I'm not reducing shit.   i'm saying whether or not you like it, this band is Guns N' Roses.   I'm not saying you have to like it, but after all these years you should accept it.  Of course GnR is more than a name, its a band that made an impact in rock n roll.   That doesn't change the facts and doesn't allow you to alter them just because you dont' particularly care for the lineup now.

I guess you missed where Jarmo said this site is aimed at fans of the current GnR lineup.  I dont know what part of that is hard to understand (http://www.misterspunky.com/faces/tea.gif)

omg.

you are letting your emotions dictate your thoughts.    You don't particularly care for this lineup of GnR.  That doesn't make it not GnR.    Yes, legal ownership rules over everything else.    Can I just decide that the computer you are typing this nonsense on isn't really your computer, its actually mine?    thats what you are fucking doing dude.  You think you are someone special who has the right to decide what Guns N' Roses is or isn't?   You don't.  You are just a regular person, like me, and like any other member of this board.   You had no part in GnR's history, you have no stake in the name Guns N' Roses, you have no right to tell the guys who are Guns N' Roses now that they aren't.   Quit being so nieve.

I understand your love for the old GnR lineups or the original lineup, and nothing is taking away from what they did.   

its devoted to Guns N' Roses as in present day.   the same as it was in 1996, the same as it was in 2000, the same as it was last year in 2006, and the same as it is now in 2007.  Like I said, just because you don't like the fact that Axl continued on with the name doesn't mean this band is not GnR.   You don't have to like it.   But if you don't, I can tell you are wasting your time on this site.

Wow, you just sumed up the one sidedness of this board in two sentances JimBobTTD, good call!

get the fuck over yourself.  you didn't do anything.   if it wasn't for the talent and quality of music from Guns N' Roses, you wouldnt' have been a fan in the first place.  You must be one of those 'well since I'm a fan axl owes me this and this and that' type "fans".   you do not fucking dictate what Guns N' Roses is just because you bought some CDs.  the "legal mumbo jumbo" is a cold hard fact and cannot be avoided.   You choose to ignore it and make up your own rules and you are making yourself look like a complete ass.  I am done with you.  its pointless talking to someone whose head is so far up slash's ass that they cant' see the reality of the situation.  theres no point.

Ah, more puerile insults in place of rational discussion.? Nicely done!? ?: ok:? I'm sure Jarmo will be proud of his son.? I hope you've thanked him, if you weren't such an Axl freak, he'd have given you -50 in karma by now for all your derogatory remarks.


Famous last words.

I dont want to argue with you Jarmo, because I respect you, and Im greatfull for your effort in this site, and we are all fans of GnR in some way or another. But......  ;D Around the time of the UYI tour GnR was the biggest band in the world, and I remember that the mainstreem press wrote and talked about everything GnR did, and what went around in the GnR camp. So they dident have to advertise the change in line up, it was the top stories in places like MTV, the biggest news papers, all major radio and TV channels, I think they even mentioned Izzy's departure on CNN ! And dont forget the Dont cry video with the "Where's Izzy" sign, that kind of got noticed by a lot of people.. so it got known to the majority of fans without GnR having to do so much for it to be known. But today, we get our news on the internet in sites like this who is for already devoted and interested fans, not the rest of the world so there is a slightly difference with the message getting out today, and in 1991.

Newspapers back then also used old AFD pics in articles about the UYI band.....


Your reading comprehension is astounding. Good luck, maybe you'll be able to finish high school.




Probably the day you people learn how to read since I've explained myself more than once.





/jarmo

If you think that this is the height of wit, you must have the most immature sense of humour this side of the Equator.

Yes, and look what happened.

Once again you're assuming shit without knowing anything.

Wouldn't expect anything less from you though.



/jarmo

You wouldn't expect anything less of me? Wow, I didn't realise we had met!

Thank God we didn't.

Judging by your posts, I wouldn't expect anything less from you.

You're obviously not on this site because of GN'R. Not even one post in the GN'R section.....

Happy now?


Or do you want cfcsfc to hold your hand while I explain it?



/jarmo

And I pray that we do not.

I love when people bring this up. 

Axl was never even CHARGED with any domestic violence crime of any kind.  He was only sued in civil court.  There's a big difference.

Ali

Come on, Ali. You know as well as I do that not being charged with something doesn't mean that you didn't do it. Going back to the original point, Slash wasn't CHARGED with lying and petty theft. It doesn't mean that he didn't do either of them. In fact, he admitted the latter in his book, and I believe possibly the former too, or, if not in the book, then somewhere else.

He's admitted both in 2007.

He stole a guitar from Hard Rock Cafe and returned it earlier this year. The lying we already know about.




/jarmo

I do, but my point is that in America, people have a right to a presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Yes, I find it suspicious that civil lawsuits were filed in lieu of criminal charges.  The difference in prison time being awarded vs. damages (money) being awarded makes me suspicious.  For more information, look at the Kobe Bryant case.

Ali

Hand holding- wow Jarmo, you got me there, how original, well done  : ok:
I can tell you must have finnished high school, as you so often love to bring up, as shown through your ability to argue one point to death, skip issues, your above high school level humor (as seen above), go in circles, and present one sided, bias oppinions; sorry, facts.
Conversing with you is like being on a carousel- you start in one place, see a few different things, but ultimatly, end up in the exact same place. And even if you go on a new seat, you are taken through the exact same motions, with the same repetitive drone in the background.

Considering how you two are patting yourselves on your backs, I was suspecting you two are really close.

You never can discuss the issues, it's always "you hate Slash!".

If that fails it's "but Axl....".

So predictable.



Did you read the book?





/jarmo

Actually, my quoteing JimBobTTD was the first time I think I've ever directly talked to him, yet you 'suspected we were close'. Aren't you the guy who always uses the 'you don't know shit about me' phrase, and accuse people of assuming things? Hmm...
When was the last time I said 'You hate Slash'? Maybe a while ago, but certainly not recently. So yep, I must always rely on that one.

Did I read his book?? :o :rofl:
There- the carousel starts rotating again!
I believe we talked about this yesterday. Once more for you then:
No I have not. I'll get around to it when I get around to it (my exact words again). Actually I haven't even seen it in the shops here (Sydney) yet. You got that, or should I repeat it again?

So, who is the predictable one again?

I'm sorry that I don't keep track of you. It seems like very few of you who have issues with me discussing a book I just finished, did actually read the fucking thing.




/jarmo

It's not about keeping track. It's about the same argument being used again and again.
Besides, what does the book have to do with anything here? This isn't the 'Errors' thread, or the 'Autobiography' one is it?

So what I'm a being accused of here then?

What's the problem?




/jarmo

You skiped an argument, had a little jab at me, I replied, you called me predictable, I replied, you brought up the book and here we are.
I reckon we're done. You've proved my points. This rides boring.

Yeah yeah.  :-*

You kept arguing with me in two different threads. One was the book thread. Sorry if I got confused.  :-[

I don't even know what you're arguing about other than the fact that you don't like the board.  :hihi:





/jarmo

and they still do sometimes...

As I said, things have always been like that....

Don't remember Slash complaining about it in 1991-93.





/jarmo

Exactly.

Why is it a problem now?  What is different about now?  Is that merely that Slash is no longer in the band?

Ali