Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Is it possible that Axl sees 'Angel Down' as an oppotunity to test new securities in the recording industry BEFORE he begins to let CD out of the bag? I mean, sure it's probably just good publicity and nothing more. But I find it strange that Axl's songs (or any, for that matter) on 'Angel Down' haven't leaked yet. I realize there's not as big of a demand for the former Skid Row frontman's album, but there's been SO much talk of 'Angel Down' and the fact that Axl sings on three songs....I really would have thought these songs would have leaked by now.

Just a thought.

Bring on 'Back in the Saddle!' (a very fitting tune for Axl to be singing on IMO)

I would love to see the press all over it when it's released.  It would just be too good of timing for some Gn'R news after Bach's cd comes out.  I'd imagine that it will leak sometime soon.  Doesn't everything leak now?

everything usually leaks, but some studios prevent it.

It might just leak at the latest the weekend before its out

I doubt it would leak this early, Avenged Sevenfolds album leaked last Friday, and it comes out on Tuesday, so if it doesn't leak by November 15th or so, maybe then we can be amazed.

i know that nothings leaked from bazs new album, but i do know a guy that has access to it. And really he's an asshole so i don't talk to him much at all.

I hope it doesn't leak so that Axl has some extra encouragement to release CHINESE DEMOCRACY and then finally I can change my name ;D


:peace:

screw leaks, I'm just buying the damn album. 

i dont hear any "buzz" or anything about baz's new album or axl being on it outside of the message boards.......


ps: what's the release date for baz's new album?

Tuesday, November 20th.   :peace:

Think I'm going to hold out till the 20th for this :)

I'm not sure I explained my topic correctly. In this day of nearly all media (music, film, television, etc.) leaking even partially before it's released, I'm sure it is of great concern to many artists and producers. I know different tactics have been used in the past to avoid leaking (early releases, etc.), but it seems artists really need to stay three steps ahead of the leakers at all times and constantly reinvent new ways of protecting their material. So...figuring Axl will do most anything in his power to avoid having CD leaked before it's release (a pretty reasonable assumption, I think) would it be possible that he has a definite security plan for it's release and is using the same plan with Baz's record FIRST as a test run?

I know, I know...grasping at straws...is it Friday yet?

I really doubt that Axl will you "angel down" like en experiment because "angel down" won't have big publicity like "chinese democracy".And new gnr album is rnr big date" wheatever when will it happen because gnr were the biggest band in one era of rnr

Bach came out in LA ink last night and man he played one of his new songs during the show and that shit fucking rocked. i cant wait for this album to come out

Thats the new single and Axl is going to be sharing vox on it.  :drool:

Is this new Baz CD coming out in Australia at the same time??? :)

honestly Baz's cd isn't up with the big Fish in the music biz, i don't even know if it'll be shipped to stores around the world on that date.

The Fact that Axl is on it may give it a buz in the metal comunity, but without some Movie Soundtrack or other strong media support i don't see the cd goin far.

and who cares about leaks, we're all gonna buy the album anyway...

Baz isn't exactly a small fish tho.   

He's bigger than Skid Row is without him.

yes, but in the music industry that's not saying much either!

anyway, does anyone know where i can download last episode of LA InK? i wanna see Baz!

cheers

do u know how many albums skid row sold from their last 2 records? even you can be bigger than the skids if you release anything. skid row is dead. sebastian's solo career is just starting, he recorded 1 album with live songs and a couple of originals, and although he's one hell of a front man, he never was a songwriter - snake and bolan did most of the writing in skid.
i'm  abig sebastian and skid row fan, but it's only the fact that Axl's singing on the record that'll make me look for the album once it's available, otherwise i would end listining to it anyway, but with the same attention i give to a new album by tesla or dokken.

good god. sorry but NO axl isnt testing security measures! he just wont release the fucker. because people are getting in the way, coz he's not happy with the sound, because he an the record company cant agree terms, whatever. it isnt out and thats that. its really annoying, but please lets stop coming out with sympathetic fantasies about why we STILL dont have it.

well we dont know why we don't have it.   so speculation is pointless.  All we do know is he is getting some music out to the fans this year, even if its not his own album.   

what if they released back in the saddle as like a second single??

that was kinda my point. i dont really care about a few guest vocals here n there. im not that desparate. ill probli still listen to them tho LOL!

its Axl Rose and Baz on 3 songs.... how could any GNR fan not be interesteD?  ???   I haven't been this pumped for an album in a few years.   I used to be excited about CD but its hard to be pumped about that until there is actually a firm release date set.   

If I was to speculate.. something is holding up GnR's album.  Thats pretty obvious.   So this is Axl's way of getting some music out to the fans in the meantime while the issues are being sorted out.    I could be wrong I guess.

i know what you mean, but i dont really care for baz or skid row, so im not really bothered. the main event is all im really bothered about.

Jesus...some of you people don't know how to simply read, understand and respond. However, too many of you have 'trash talkin' down to a science. I realize there are BIGGER issues surrounding the non-release of CD. That's NOT my point at all. The thread's title isn't "Why has CD not been released: My Theory." I'm not defending anyone/thing about the lack of CDs release. While I'd love to have it in my hand, I've got plenty more important things in my life than music. So don't accuse me of using 'sympathetic fantasies' to defend Axl. It's a message board...to discuss ideas, thoughts, etc. I simply found it odd that none of the 'Angel Down' songs featuring Axl had been leaked and, if others agreed, I simply threw out a theory that perhaps there were some new or tighter security measures on the AD tracks...perhaps similar security measures that might accompany (NOT 'hold up') CD when it is finally released. Nothing more. If you don't agree with my theory, fine. Explain. Discuss. But don't try to belittle me for having one and don't try to disguise it as something it's not in order for the shit that comes out of your mouth to make sense.

Somebody lock this thread...it's a fuckin' shame that when given a great communication tool like this, people still care more about the importance of their own opinions and their image than the innocence and enjoyment of simply sharing and discussing ideas and thoughts about a common subject (in this case, Guns N' Roses).

Im still not 100 percent sure Axl will end up on Angel Down.

U never know, the record label could sue to stop Axl from appearing on this album. I just wonder if all of that has been agreed upon?


I wouldn't think Universal would want the first recordings of Axl to appear on Sebastian's album and not on Chinese Democracy.

So.......... I still have my fingers crossed but won't be surprised if something happens stopping this.

Well, it's literally weeks away from the release, so I think that at this point any legal or label-related issues would be resolved.

Plus, that Paul Cashmere already heard an advanced copy of the record, so I think that is proof enough that it is going down.

Ali

I actually think Axl can do as many sideprojects as he wants, Universal has nothing to do with it.

They only care about releasing the record and getting money back from Axl (let him tour and stuff).

Exposure is good anyway, good or bad.

Yeah but the public have been waiting to hear axl for over a decade and a half.

Kind of a shame for it to be on a Sebastian Bach album and not a GNR record dont u think?

I think Uni has GN'R rights, not Axl solo career.

kinda ironic... but that's the way he wants it... well he gets it.

and let's not even go to the "wasnt cd supposed to come out last year and its not out this year?!" thing...

that's a very cool thought, and it could easily be true....

Erm...you gave an opinion. i told you i thought that opinion was nonsense. im not at all sure what you mean about the caring about image point. and the importance of my opinions...? You thought yours was important enough to start a thread for. the above quote is a massive overreaction.

Sebastian's label have decided not to release any advance copies specifically becuase of Axl's involvement in the album.

well they obviously failed in that...seeing how back in the saddle leaked thie evening.

it kicks ass  :drool:

Axl's souding damn good - BITS is one of my current favorite songs, and this version roxxx.

I dont think it was leaked, but released to radio rather. It didnt seem like the station recieved it illegally.

i want to hear back in the saddle so bad

Interesting take, I doubt it would've been done intentionally.  But IF everything goes off without a hitch, no leaks, etc. of Angel Down.  I bet Axl would use similar measures to release Chinese Democracy, thus increasing our chances of ever hearing it.

hey Jarmo, if something were to leak from Angle Down, would the same consequences be applied for those who would post a link?

just curious :peace:

Not to speak for Jarmo, but I would say YES!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=49451.msg1010000#msg1010000

So is this coming out in Australia as well on the 20th??? Anybody?? :peace:

I feel it's unlikely that this is intentional since Bach and GN'R are not of the same label.

But it crossed my mind last week that one of many possible things delaying Chinese Democracy is download protection technology.
There is so much money invested in CD that the label can't afford to take the "some people will buy many will download it free, that's life" aproach.
It's not about wanting people to hear the music.. it's about getting back their $15million. This disc needs to be unripable!

... i bet you well all wind up with leaks before it comes out though... Angel Down too.
It's ok.. i'll buy both anyway.


and I agree that Axl singing Back In The Saddle is very fitting.

axl said "the timing couldn't be better" and not "perfect timing"? :P (i think)


the touring has probably already paid the record company since it pays a lot more to sell out crowds then to sell records

(hope that what i just said makes sense)

There will never be an unrippable CD. Even if they perfected the technology someone can always pop the CD in their stereo and plug the headphone port into their computer so it plays through there. If you can listen to a CD, you can rip it. There's no way around that and it's not even theoretically possible to prevent it.

19th:

http://chaos.com/product.asp?intProductID=1623205&intArtistID=96337

I guess it'll be in stores on the Saturday beforehand?  or in the days leading up, depending on who stacks the shelves.

Cool thanks 4 the info.. : ok:

Ditto. What people needs to realize is that this "security" is more of a marketing thing than to prevent the piracy. Of course it makes a little harder to rip, but it would still show up soon enough on the web anyways and then pop up everywhere.

The real prevention here is to have the unstoppable leak as close of the release date as possible.