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a story being told like November Rain or live concert footage?

I think live concert footage would be cool.  The only video that I know of that has live concert footage all the way through it is Live and Let Die right?  PC and Estranged have some live footage added in.

But say for example, Guns released Better and did a video for it.  That song would just need live concert footage for a video.

But then again, GNR are known for their magnificent videos so what do you think?

They could make something huge out of a video for "Better". If they use the lyrics as a narrative to follow it could be a massive "Estranged" style drama.  8)

I prefer simple and not verbose videos.

I wonder how they are going to handle Buckets parts in the videos?

As much as I am a fan of the November Rain/Estranged type videos, I really don't see anything like them being make again. It was kind of a different time back then. When they were made videos were much more important to selling records and as a result record companies were more willing to put money into making videos. These days videos aren't as important to selling records and I doubt the record company is really going to be up for putting more money into Axl's project so I doubt we'll see anything near the level of those past videos.

That being said, I'd hope for something more than just concert footage or a crappy stagged performance like the video for Slither (I'm not bashing VR, it's just the first example that came to mind). I always thought those kinds of videos are really meant to be for the third or fourth single off the album when the band is busy touring and don't have time to make a good video so they just have some footage edited together of live shows.

But I guess this is all a moot point, since in order to have a video they first need to release music, which doesn't appear to be happening anytime soon. ?:confused:

I would definitely prefer a mix of both.


Uhm, Bumblefoot?

I don't care about a video because where do you go to see videos these days? I still watch Headbanger's ball on MTV but it's not even on the original MTV station - it's like MTV2 or something - unless there is a tv station that is playing videos that I don't know about? I don't have time to download and watch videos at work (of course I shouldn't be doing this anyway).

Sorry having trouble with my keyboard.  :rant: Anyway, what is the point of a video when no one really plays videos anymore? I wouldn't even bother unless of course Axl has a really cool idea for one of the songs and wants to produce a video as part of the promotion.

I was about to say that live performance videos stopped being played on TV at some point.  Then I realized that all videos stopped being played on TV at some point. 

Lots of people (including myself) have ipods and such like that play videos. So videos still are important.

If a band is big enough (and GNR most certainly are) people will want to see a video. No video = no mainstream audience. And lots of us want GNR to be the biggest band in the world again so sadly videos are a necessary evil.  :peace: 

i think to have a live video would be cool

Remember that commercial with the black sheep for Better?

Whatever became of that?

Yeah, you see Bumble playing but you hear Bucket playing, doesn't feel quite right

Like Gilby in the UYI videos?



/jarmo

I'd rather them not make any videos.

Leave the video era in the past.

They'll make a video for sure, i think it will be something like Paradise city or welcome to the jungle.

id imagine it'll focus on Axl and be gradiose enough to take the attention off the fact that the old members arent there

Also another reason no videos is the way to go...

would be cool with some animation stuff. Or some cool live footage..

I doubt it.
GNR com has mentioned any member in the band and the exes are already seen in another band as mentioned in this thread.

I would love to see stuff from the studio and mixing shit blended with live footage maybe, a video like dead horse would own, and a video with some story could be cool to..

That's more suited for a dvd release of some sort I figure.

Yep, and even more because of the solos

I always thought a simplistic video like this one would be interesting for Gn'R:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oI3LjzRmbHg

Live footage would "introduce" the band to all the people who haven't seen them perform before, and would also demonstrate that Axl still has his live energy.  I don't like performance videos, but I think that would be the way to go for this band.

Plus, epic videos with storylines are a relic of a different time (so are music videos, in general, for that matter).  Something like that would just remind a lot of people of the overblown early-90s rock that many people were happy to get rid of when Nirvana, et al came along.  You know, "Same pompous Axl Rose, different decade."  Not a good start.

You've got to remember that if this album ever comes out, the band is going to have to win over all the people who *don't* visit HTGTH every day.  And that won't be easy.

I?d like to see some story related to the song of the video and mixed with some live footage :)

A video that starts with a train going up some railroad tracks and enters the ears of Axl Roses' fucking head, then while the song is playing we get a glimpse of what is going on inside " his world "

i'm not arsed about music videos.   They were cool in 1992, but nowadays MTV doesn't even play music videos.    I just want some kickass music.  :beer:

we don't know what Ron may or may not have re-recorded.     its all speculation.    by the time it actually comes out Buckethead may not be on it at all.

At this point it doesn't matter that much to me either way as long as they do a video!

but i think something more creative than a live video would be cooler, for me anyway.

I would put my money on an animated type video w/no footage of the band. They were going to go that route w/Oh My God, and it is easier and cheaper. I definitely don't see any Estranged type videos, although it would be sweet if they decided to spend 2 mill. on a video.? :beer: I centainly wouldn't argue.

 -= iZzBo =-

Speaking of "Oh My God" is there any word of that being re-mixed or tuned up to make it sound more 2007 instead of 1999? I love the version from The End of Days i can't stop listening to it. The industrialness and heaviness is a perfect mix.

as for a fututr video, i think that a video like November rain would be very apropriate.

btw i thought that there were strong talks of a Madagascar video being made in Madagascar. and that that was going to be the video given to MTV or VH1 or what ever. as for a rocker song like CHINESE DEMOCRACY (the song) or Ryiahd and the bedouins, i think that video from a concert would be best mixed with some footage of a war or rebellion type thing going on or something like that

:peace:

Someone here met with Dizzy before the show(s) in Norway last year, and according to that person, Dizzy said that they recorded another/different version of the song.

At this point in time, i think any video from Chinese Democracy will be good. Still, i prefer epic video's like Estranged, if i want to see a live performance, i'll go on youtube

Of course their will be a music video,
anyone who thinks their isnt is blind,


1. Axl has to do one,
to "introduce" the current lineup to the public, and get the public familiarised with the band members,
So they can put a face to the music of the gutiar solo/drumming/keyboard/bass etc...

2. Videos are now as popular as before, if not more so,
Ipod videos, home theartre, windows vista and Youtube are all exercising the technology of videos
in different format/medias...


So , If gnr werent to release a music video, regardless if its just live/ theatrical calliber,
then its probably the stupidest decision they could make...

quite right

I'm hoping for one of live footage personally (maybe from the 2006/7 tour).

Nothing 'bloated' please.

I don't see any of them acting, just Axl of course, a live footage just to see how the new members are with the public, maybe for the first one

It's weird how video was going to kill the radio star and now I guess the internet has killed the video star.

internet only killed record sales.. what killed the video star is ironically MTV and VH1 :-\

Maybe some parts in the style of the trilogy but also live and backstage footage... *shrug* If it's only live footage, it's kinda boring (for me). Or make a story from the backstage and live footage, to match whatever the song for the video will be..

The video needs more dolphins..... :P

I'd love to see a new GN'R video in the style of November Rain or Estranged, i think the best songs which could become videos would be Better, possibly Chinese Democracy, and above all- THERE WAS A TIME!!!!
   I just hope they don't make videos out of live concerts lie a lot of bands do- if i want to see a live concert i'll go on youtube!

unfortunately videos are indeed defunct... along with albums for that matter.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15137581/the_record_industrys_decline

To be quite honest, I have a difficult time believing that ANY new music can really reach the population in the same way that music did before the downloading age.

Downloading has quite simply reduced the importance of music in society.? Because you can now download music right off the internet for free as opposed to being forced to walk to your nearest record store to purchase it, the marginal value of the material itself has decreased in the consumer's mindset.? Not that I'm saying this is the case for us true fans, but it is however true for the general population.

Album sales (incl. those downloaded versions purchased off iTunes and whatnot) will continue to fall.? Record stores have already begun dying out and the major record labels are next (the recent merger trend in the record industry is no coincidence - they're really making an effort to unite together against this evil [downloading]).

The problem is that the negative effect that downloading has had on music is multi-dimensional:

on one hand, the downloading of singles as opposed to the purchasing of albums has obviously had an effect.? This has made the "album" essentially defunct because if consumers are only interested in downloading your one or two popular hits off of the "album" and that in itself will earn you the audiences during tours - then what driving force do you have as the artist to write 10-12 great songs.? Again, not saying GNR is like this, thank god- but artists are nowadays more and more so.

secondly, the centrality of music to the common audience has declined gradually ever since the inception of popular music.? Back in the 60's, music was a family affair- you listened to music over a record player or over the radio and it was a community listening together as opposed to an individual.? Everyone in the world shared music together and as a result, popular music flourished- it was a major topic of conversation and a trendsetter in culture.

Over time, this centrality of popular music has decayed to the point nowadays where there really is no centrality (with youtube and other internet sites damaging this further through creating a greater diversity of music that people have to chose from).? People download & listen to music on their ipods. Design track lists all of their own.? MTV is a reality tv station now as opposed to a music station.? And you may no longer share that community feeling in buying that big album that you waited months for at your favorite record store.?

So, some ask - "where are the rock stars nowadays?"? Well, I would argue that the formation of a true NEW "rock star" is now getting more and more difficult (which is why the old guys are still the ones filling stadiums).? Record industries make the rock star.? They are the ones promoting the hell out of their big artists, creating their iconic figurehead through mass campaigns in album advertising & scheduling the subsequent tours to support the album (yea- btw, tours are no longer used to support albums... touring is now the main source of revenue for artists... sad... another reason why artists don't care about writing a great record... why write a new record when you only make $ off of performing your old shit anyway?).  So if record labels go under and the great revolution in the free spread of music diversity reigns over the world wide web, will the rock star even exist in 50 years?

Does GNR stand a chance of being as iconic as they were back in 1992?? Not a chance.

In fact not even close.  Not even a reunion.

Do they have a chance of becoming the biggest "rock stars" in the world again?

I would say yes.? Although that doesn't really mean much anymore.

nice essay madagascar 88. a good read and i agree on many points.

Id like a cool video showing the band playing and stuff like the Pretender bye the FFighters..Just showing the band rocking out.. About this internet killing record or CD sales why not just have more bonus songs on the actual CD and less songs on the itunes..wouldent that help swing people back to the CD shops?

I don't understand why people think the music industry (albums) is dead.? The fucking Eagles just sold 700,000 copies last week!! People will still buy music, it's just that mostly all of the music these days sucks! so people stay away until something they like comes out. IMO

I agree, Amy Winehouse and Mika are coining it right now, their sales are just escalating more and more each week....despite all the downloading and piracy.

People still buy music.
There's something about owning a cd that an mp3 on an iPod can never replace.

Kind of like going to cinema as opposed to downloading a ripped dvd off the net.
Its just not the same, people still go to the movies, buy popcorn and watch films.

I don't know the demographics, but I would think a lot of sales were made to people who grew up before the "net" became a "predominant medium".

Thats why chinese democracy will sell huge,
because you have the mullet wearing 40/50 + year olds, that probably dont have a clue how to use a computer/cant be stuffed (no offfence anyone in that age bracket)
and people younger and older then 40's, who arent familiarised with computers,

So Chinese democracy is going to sell like hotcakes

agree on most of the above post from "Madagascar88".....the point: "touring is now the main source of revenue for artists" becomes very stressy and often unwanted by the bands......cause their lifes are dedicated to be on the road most of the year not being able to take care of personal lifes at home. but the good thing from fans' view in this is they are (in general) getting more chances to see their favourite artists LIVE in person on stage, more often than before which is a good thing to me at least.

back to the topic:
not much need of live scenes in a possible video to me IF there will be some official live dvd(s) or another WTTV2 later. but seeing how less material we got officialy by now i'm at the point for some longer allready that i'd take ANYTHING, any release officially gnr band related. we got 2 books recently but musically still nothing. taking a look to how Iron Maiden releases things old/new couldnt hurt IMO.

Any of you remember the short animation clip that was shown in the beggining of their show in RIR 3? Where they picture Axl as a Howard Hughes type, with long hair and long nails and stuff?
I think that a cool video would be some sort of "comedy" about all the time that it took to release the album.
I think that this would show to the world how Axl and the band can laugh at themselves, it would "disarm" the critics, and would be a fun way to be back in the scene again. Plus, it would be very comented.

: : Vicente : :

I would like to see a story being told, but not in a hollywood pompous way like November rain was, thank U.
Since I don't have you was artistically better, except the supermodels clich?.

in fact it could be cool to see all the members of the band playing a role, and i'm not against some FX like in Don't Cry
(the scene with the 3 Axl is still one of my fave of the band)

yeah it doesn't get any better then 3 axl's in one shot :)

Please, no comedy.

I say TWAT! Think of the beginning: "Broken glass and cigarettes, writings on the wall, it was a bargain for the summer..." in a UYI-era video style...  :drool:

UYI-era video style = exactly what I don't want to see again from this band. even Axl doesn't seems too happy with them today
(can't find the interview)

Hmmmm id like something along the lines of The Garden video, not really telling a story of anything just some artsy stuff maybe mix in some live footage and backstage antics of the band having fun. Plus really it depends what they relase as a song, i mean that type of video will go great with say IRS Better TWAT or Song 2 or Street of Dreams but for Madagasca im imagining a political Video.

Meh what do i know...

Ill be happy just to see them back on TV

i'd love a NR style video but I'm sure Interscope won't give that kind of budget.

it'll probably be a simple video.

And not forgetting when shows such as chats shows, usually play clips before/during interviews, I'd imagine Axl/the band will do a few shows (Tonight, Leno, Johnathan Ross et al) as partof the promotion. + things such as download chart shows aren't gonna have a blank screen/still picture with music playing. I'd think they've got enough live stuff to cobble together.

lets not forget the award shows. award shows do help artists sell records and get people familiarized with them and have people talk about them.

and what you said about doing interviews on leno and such... imagine axl rose going on the daily show and promoting chinese democracy as he talks to jon stewart about the current state of this country.. i think that would be a really cool segment to watch

I want a video that makes NR look like a infomercial

I love big elaborate awesome videos.

concert only videos are lazy and could be made by any geek on YouTube.

I think the first video needs to be hip, direct and simple.

Kinda like "Slither" that was a cool video.

Nothing elaborate. Maybe down the line

Agree with everything exept that. GNR can still be amazingly huge as bands that were famous are still famous now: Metallica,U2,Bon Jovi, Chili Peppers........Hell even Poison sell the fuck out of places.

Once Axl has this new album and promotes it properly, tours will sell out fast and who knows what a new generation of kids may think of him?

I remember discovering axl when I was 8 or 9.  So what are the next wave of 9-18 year olds gonna think?

GNR could get back close.

Shitty music is killing the industry, I still don't think downloading kills it as bad. Itunes kills the music industry worse than illegal downloading.

Most illegal downloaders dont buy music anyway, so if they didn't DL it, they wouldn't have it or they'd copy it from a friend who did buy it

Im sure it affects it some but not as much as they'd like u to believe.

CD singles were huge when I was a teenager. All of a sudden, they disappeared.

Why? cause casual fans aren't going to spend 15 dollars for a CD when they only like 1 song. so giving them the ablity to buy that one song for .99 cents not only gives them what they want, but it also FUCKS u out of big time money.

now essentially a single will sell 1 million copies whereas before the entire album sold 1 million cause it was the only way to get the song.

so 1 million at .99 cents? or 750,000 at 15 bucks?

Kid Rock has been the only one smart enough to figure this shit out.

Something like Yesterdays.

Just the band rocking.. lots of close shots.. Imagine Better or Shackler's on that style.  :drool:

Would be a good way to introduce the new band to the GNR-unaware/forgotten contemporary audience, as the real/loyal fans already know this line up for some years.

 :beer: :peace:

i dont watch TV for videos anymore but i watch a ton of them on youtube still. i think a lot of people do. but yeah, just a video of them rockin out would be great.

I love the grandiose videos like November Rain and Estranged, although the videos of GNR just rocking out, like in Sweet Child O'Mine and Yesterdays, are really cool as well. No matter what their approach is, GNR know how to make an awesome music video.

As far as a new video goes, I think it'd be cool to see something in the style of WTTJ, where you see the band playing live, but you also have kind of a story going on as well. Kind of a two-for-one deal. That's the kind of video I see a song like "Better" being.

Some songs deserve a story-like video, though, to be fully appreciated. A song like "TWAT" would make an epic video.

The same way they did Izzy's.


 :peace:

First of all, to say it we should know the song. But what I'd say is that this possible video should be kind of a presentation of the new band to the people in general.

this will sound stupid,
but I would like to see buckethead back just for a few seconds in a twat video for instance,
just to pay homeage? to him, out of respect,

I know all that about why should he be because he isn't in the band anymore/it will only confuse the general public

but the guy deserves to be seen playing the best guitar solo we have heard so far from the new band..
anyone else agree?

I think it should be the band playing like in Sweet Child Of Mine.  Pretty much just the band playing together.  It would show that this is GNR now.  With maybe some concert footage.  I think what's hard for alot of people is they have one idea of what GNR is and it's needs to be shown what GNR now is.  Show them interacting with Axl and each other.  Show them in concert connecting.  Show them as a band. 

i think the first music vid should be fairly simple, maybe live footage or the guys in the studio......but this depends on the first single of course

a mix of both would be my favourite. I definately wanna see the guys rocking out in a video, also so they can present themselves to the world, but I would love some story video in there as well.

I totally agree. I wa thinking it would be really cool to do a video of TWAT out on the Moors in England with a kind of HEATHCLIFF/CATHY theme from WUTHERING HEIGHTS intermixed with modern shots of the band playing live. The Moors scenes could be a sort of dream sequence like in DON'T CRY. Just a thought.

I do think Buckethead made the best guitar solo we have heard from the new band. In fact, I think that Bucket solo in TWAT is the GREATEST solo ever made by any GNR guitarist, and even though this can sound a little 'too much', I honestly think that that is one of the best guitar solos EVER in rock history.

But I do not want to see Buckethead in an hypothetical new GNR video.

"Better" should be the next Video.

better or scraped would be good. with a video that has more to it than live footage...

keep it simple. a video like yesterdays would be the perfect choice.

just show the band rock the fuck out of a song like chinese democracy or scraped.  : ok:

epic video for "this i love" "madagascar" of "prostitute" axl can work wonders with these

TWAT or Prostitute.