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what states and cities have yet to have concerts?  I know Texas hasn't had one so they could play at least two shows there like Houston and  Dallas.

They could also play Providence, Rhode Island.



What are some other states/cities?

Hawaii?Alaska?

You probably mean the us but I think South America and Africa deserve to welcome GNR.

cheers to that.

they have really good fans over there it appears. ;)

It'd be great if they'd come to St. Louis, but I don't see it happening :'(

i hope they play in every nook and cranny so that everyone in the world gets to hear them play AFD one last time...who cares if CD is not out, its all about the people at the shows!!!! GNR RulZZZ!

anyone who thinks CD should be out before they play again is a hater. Haters stop hating. GNr are about the people and giving them a chance to hear AFD one last time. Your not a real fan if you want that album before the next tour. Or you might b but your a selfish one. If you have that mindset may all your posts be deleted. This is GNR. This isnt burger king.? If some  guy in south bumblefuk is rockin out to a gnr live show then thats all that matters \.

Bullshit, you have no idea what you're talking about!

they won?t go out again, without CD in the back..C?mon..Why would they ?  :confused:

yea i do. If you cant handle them not releasing the album before another tour then your really not a fan. I hate to break it to ya.

and thats the way it should be. Why should everyone else be able to see them live and play AFD/UI tour and not the people who live in all of these obscure places? WHy are you that selfish to have that mentaility? Stop thinking you need CD before another tour or before another yr passes by. If you do you need a life

Louisville, KY for one.  They've never been here that I know of.

But I have decided when they come to Chicago again I'll make the drive out, unless they come to Indy which is alot closer.  I rolled up there for Van Halen a couple weeks ago and it turned out to be one of the greatest shows I've ever seen.

Why don't you just go outside for a while instead of trying to be funny?

Fucking Mets fans....   :P





/jarmo

Why not?

im not trying to be funny! Im just adhering to the rules and expressing my feelings for this band. Plus theres nothing to do on the outside...my mets are done and my jets blow

but Jarmo wouldnt you agree  with me that its not the end of the world if GNR keep touring before they drop CD? Why do some people get angry about that?

I believe that they'll tour again before Chinese Democracy is released. (And it most likely would include South Africa and South America too)

BUT, I also believe that those shows will take place when they've announced an actual release for the album.

Time will tell how it will go down.

Please.

Considering the amount of "supportive" messages you post, you are trying to be funny.


I know you're pissed because I removed your "I hope GN'R disappears" post.

Maybe you need to disappear for a while.


You come back here every other week to post the same shit.

It seems to bug you a lot.

Nothing you do will change anything. Must suck being you....






/jarmo

best ones... : ok:


obscure?

Im really not trying to be funny. I have taken your advice over the past few months and realized that I need to be supportive again. SO thats what Im going to do. My love for GNR has resurfaced and now Im back on board with you and all the other tru fans. I dont undertsnad why that is now not good enough for you.

When I first came here and was supportive we got along so well. Heck you even defended me when people kept throwin around words like Axl nut swinger, etc. Then as time goes on my opinion on certain things changes. I attempt to post and discuss but for some reason your not there anymore. Now Im back reuvenated and ready to defend and your telling me to get lost. Im adhering to the rules. Why do you have a problem with me?

Nothing bugs me anymore. Maybe last week. But if I posted what bugged me last week you would delete it anyway. SO like I said...I have absorbed your advice and now Im back.

Sucks to be me? nope not at all.

back on topic...

help me explain to these haters thats its not the end of the world if gnr tour again without a release date. they seem to think thats unfathomable.

South Africa would be a nice place to see Gn'R indeed, a great reason to go on a holiday :yes: Always wanted to visit Africa.

But what comes to CD, I don't see a reason why they couldn't tour without it. Of course releasing it would be better!

I sincerely wonder how many more tours they can possibly go on without a new album before they become an industry laughing stock again. Following the years of nothing and then the 2002 tour fiasco they looked doomed, and they pulled themselves up and really impressed everyone with this last round of touring. I just can't figure out why Axl doesn't capitalize. And the music world is fickle and lacking any serious attention span. If they wait too long to hit the road and get this album out the door they could really lose public interest. And I mean real public interest, not the regulars on this board who live and breath guns n' roses and refuse to believe that the majority of the record buying public wrote them off for dead back in 1995.

I will be seriously disappointed if they hit the road in 2008 with no new album. The stuff that leaked is so good, why hide it from the world?

yeah most likely we're hearing the release date first as their focus is on cd.
and this thread says 'with or without cd' so...that's not in question.

@ younggunner, you used to make encouraging posts that were even heroic to me.
It saddens me to know that what's it was all about is whether you win or lose in those debates after all.

There's basically two kinds of fans: those who support the band, through everything, and those who don't.


Many use the quiet times to heckle the band, to put everything down, to ridicule everything including fans who never gave up.

Once things start happening, these fans are all back on board again. Acting like they were supportive all along. "I knew it would happen! Hooray!"


Of course some of them think that, even when things are happening and since things aren't done to their linking, nothing is good enough.

Yet, they are the real fans according to themselves.  ::)





/jarmo

I'm not trying to be a jerk or act out of line, but this is your site. And it seems to me that if you spend just as much (if not more) time fighting with people who you deem out of line, or not participating in the spirit of what this forum is about, the ban them. It may be unpopular, but you have just as much of a right to enjoy this place as anyone else here, if not moreso. If you don't like the way someone acts, or feel they aren't a 'real' fan then boot them. That's the beauty of having your own forum, you don't have to be fair.  :peace:

Just showing how ridiculous some of these so called fans are.

Everybody knows who the real fans are....

Whining about things you don't know anything about doesn't makes your "more real".



/jarmo

what you mean?


As I have told you countless times...I agree and disagree with you on this subject. I agree that there are two types of fans. I agree that some fans are die hard/casual and the other would be considered front runners. A term most of us are familair with.

Where I disagree with you is when you somehow think that if a die hard fan begins to question certain things about a band or a sports team then they are now frontrunners because when things arent going well they are calling out the band/team on it.

for instance. I am a die hard mets fan. if they are playing bad or have had a few bad seasons in a row most die hards begin to question the players and the organizational decisions. Have you ever heard of WFAN? I dont hear the media or hosts of shows labeling those people who question the team front runners or spoiled? Its part of life. Atleast here in NY it is.

Even when a team is going good there are always questions that need to be asked.
There is nothing wrong with that. And it certainly doesnt make somone a front runner

Now with gnr. I AM a die hard fan. I love Axl and the new band. If you think otherwise your dumb. But in reality when I take off my cheerleading skirt there are certain questions that need to be asked and certains emotions that have changed because of the circumstances. So I guess that makes me a frontrunner because I think that its now 2007 goin on 08 and its crazy that the album isnt in our hands yet. I know we arent owed to it. yada yada yada.

By you censoring the shit out of these boards the past yr or so you have taken the diehards(im not the only one) and made them even more frustrated. You try to make this place come across like theres nothing wrong and if you think there is you say cya. its unreal.

I agree that there are clowns out there who just start trouble and those people need to be escorted out. But for people who have legit questions and concerns they shouldnt be. you then say oh the whining and complaining never stops...you know why? cause you dont let anyone vent! there are no threads on the main board for people to ask legit questions and stuff. You have some obscure thrread that is in a section where no1 cares about. You dont have it shown where the most people visit and talk.

What is wrong with a debate?What is wrong with a discussion? This place used to have all of that. This place was a lot different a few yrs ago. ?A LOT.

 I and many others will always stick by gnr. Some will shurg off all the frustration and some will want to talk about it. The ladder doesnt mean they are front runners or not sticking it thru.

You act like all this stuff doesnt bother you etc. You tell people they need to get a life if they are frustrated. To me thats funny. ?Maybe it doesnt really bother you. We all arent mini celebs like you. We all dont hang out with the band and its employees. If we were Im sure we all would have a btter grip of the situation and would be more passified. But thats not reality. But what is reality is that real fans can question certain things. If you dont think so...you need to come back to us jarmo.

Another tour in the USA without the CD.....? :rant: :rant:

Take your reasoning to pms with Jarmo.

This thread is about a simple question about GNR touring again.

Why must you turn every thread into the same old shit?

We get your point.

Reality is GNR acts their way and some things you just can't question and or shouldn't because it's not going to change anyway so why waste your time stressing over it.

When there is news, we'll get it.

When there is CD release info, we'll hear about it.

Now back on topic and list some cites/staes in the fucking USA that they haven't yet toured in that they could tour in.

We will all still go to the gigs. You know it, because live gigs are the only way of hearing new songs right now. Oh yeah and the feeling that if you didn't go and missed something amazing would be awful! GNR are still (slightly) dangerous remember! ;D

Personally i would like to have another tour followed by the new album.

I still don't understand why some people on this board put down others for stating opinions and asking for discussion. It's immature. I mean, this is a discussion/message board to exchange ideas and feelings, etc. If there is only one point of view allowed here, then the board doesn't have much worth. its fair and reasonable to ask questions and voice concerns over things you love. Just because you question something you love, does not mean you are a hater. If your opinion doesnt jive with someone's on this board, you are either banned, deleted, or thrown and buried into some section that no one  looks at....

Because it's the same old bullshit spewed back and forth that's why.




Fact is that GNR operate on their clock and not on ours.




Why debate something that has been debated endless amounts of time only to add to your frustration?


I don't get it.


If you were breaking up with someone would you pine over them or make a clean break?


If you pine, then you can't move forward.


Just accept that fact that GNR act on their own time frame and they will give us the news we have all been waiting for when they fucking are ready to.

It's that simple.

um Jarmo was the one who brought up the whole fan thing. Stop trying to be a Mod. we dont need another one there are plenty around here...

back on topic.

I think GNR could play at the Nassau Collesium in LI. They have not played there. I also dont think they have played all of Texas and Florida. They even can play in the new arena that was just built in Newark. There are plenty of places GNR can still play before releasing the album. I wouldnt worry about forming a list. We should delegate that to the haters who need to get a life back. It will give them something to do on a nice sunny day...You dont need to be doing that.

Whats great about Gnr is that they want to make sure that everyone sees them live before they release the album. And thats why they are really a fan friendly band.

No offense Jarmo, but says you. Like it or not, there are fans that may veer outside of your black and white vision of the GN'R world.

P.S.
I like what you do here Jarmo, but I really have to respectfully disagree on that last point. Maybe, I should just stay out of it.

Not trying to be a mod dude.

Trying to keep a good thread from being deleted due to your constant whining about the same old shit over and over again.

I think they haven't played Atlanta, Georgia.

your right!why debate or analyze why the album isnt out when you can

 : ok:

I agree 100%. ?Exchanging ideas and having a discussion is one thing, bitching, pissing and moaning are all yet another. ?They are not one and the same. ?This is a discussion board, not a pissing and moaning board. ?Things will happen when things are ready to happen. ?Pissing and moaning about it won't make anything happen any faster.

Ali

Unreal? Not at all.

I just don't need to read posts by a group of people who think they know how things should be done when in fact they don't have the slightest idea of what's going on.

The band can't do this, the band can't do that.

Says who?

You're not the one deciding what GN'R is or what it should be.

Then when there's an update from the band, these same people are pointing out that it wasn't what they wanted to hear.


I can't relate to all the bullshit that comes fro your frustration.

I wonder how empty you'll feel once it's out. All that anger, frustration and whatever else you're feeling will be gone. You can't be pissed off about it not being out, so then what?

Are you suddenly gonna learn how to be happy?






What exactly is it that you wanna discuss?

You haven't been into discussing lately. Instead your discussions are all about how much the band sucks and the album has to be out now.







Yeah, and GN'R didn't used to tour or play new songs a few years ago.






Back to us?

What the fuck are you talking about?





You bet.

I don't really need to have some guy posting "I've waited 16 years" in every other thread.

Then when we put it in Dead Horse, it's "nobody will read it there!  :'( ".

Oh really?

Maybe it's because we've read that same shit for years now!


Maybe you two can go post in the Dead Horse section and discuss the situation? Be my guest.  :)




Many bands tour without having hit albums or hit singles.

I don't think it would be impossible to play in L.A. or NYC just because the album isn't out etc...




/jarmo

Actually, I think that is accurate. ?Either you support the band through thick and thin or you support them conditionally. ?Supporting them through thick and thin does not mean agreeing with everything they do or say. ?I think that covers all territory right there.

Ali

Of course.

There's always more casual fans.


I'm talking about people who either consider themselves real fans or who outsiders would consider real fans.


I'm not saying the fans can't have opinions or offer constructive criticism.

The difference between many fans is that some just like to whine about shit they know nothing about.


Others know that since they don't know the full story or know how to solve the issue, it's kinda pointless to whine about it.




/jarmo

Never said I was or should be...in fact I dont even think Axl has the answer to that one yet.

Because people want an album release. People want to know why there hasnt been an update since the last update. Even Axl said if things change he would update us. Obiviously things have changed....but no follow up...but I guess thats too much to ask

Ill be rockin out to what will probably be one of the greatest albums ever. And Ill also come on here to discuss the songs and lyrics.

Most of us thought that 2000-2005ish was all part of a plan or a base for the launch. As it turned out we were wrong.

We all arent hangin and travelling with the band. And by no means do I think you dont desrve that. You do. You have a great site and have kept the gnr fan interest goin all these yrs. So imo you deserve any "reward" you get. But what Im saying is that you are on a different level than most fans. You might have or know news or plans or have a rough idea of whats goin on whereas the avgfan doesnt. Your placated. You have enough on your plate

its not impossible. They can play wherever and whenever they want.

There are fans who support certain things and dissaprove of others. In the end they are no less of a fan and don't agree with some things because they are fans who want the best for the band.

Amen to that! :beer:


Exactly, everything isn't that black and white. Well said!

bingo

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHAT PLACES IN THE USA GNR CAN PLAY NEXT EITHER WITH OR WITHOUT CD'S RELEASE.

IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS/WHINE/BITCH OR WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU CALL IT WHY HTGTH IS NOT RUN THE WAY ?YOU SEE FIT OR WHY GNR OPERATE ON THEIR OWN TIMETABLE OR WHAT KIND OF FAN YOU ARE OR AREN'T THEN START A NEW THREAD OR TAKE IT TO PMS.


Now, GNR hasn't played Kansas City have they?

no1 cares about where gnr will be playing if they dont release an album dude

Well, I can imagine your euphoria if GN'R issued the following update: The album currently doesn't have a release date. As soon as we know more, we'll let you know.....






I guess your whole life has always gone according to plan....



When I went to Japan, I was traveling with AdZ.... Did he join the band?  :hihi:

We took trains, cabs and stuff like that. It's not really anything unheard of.




Tell that to the fans in Mexico, Australia, New Zealand and Japan.






/jarmo

yea as long as he said why the plan wasnt reached and what the new plan would be I would have been fine with that.

nope it hasnt. but that doesnt mean it has to seem like its a mess either

you never have hung out with the band and or people close to the band?


Why cant they play at all of those places but still release CD?

incorrect.  you're speaking for others while others already said otherwise in this thread but you can't be bothered.
all you care is whether you can argue down your opponent or not.   

now you know.

Sure.

So they'd give you a reason, the truth. What would you do?

"I don't believe it! Axl always blames something!"

Don't you think we've seen this all before?





Like many other people, yes I have been fortunate enough to meet band members in various locations over the past 18 months.






Are you serious?

Is this your idea of discussion? "Why can't they release the album?"

Answer: We don't know.




/jarmo

lol you actually think that I argue only because I want to argue with some1? Or because I want to win a debate?

Or Kansas City would be good if they don't come to St. Louis... 

Come back to London, Ontario!  Great show a few years ago

They played in Ottawa on that treck too, didn't they?

He hasnt given a reason so it doesnt matter what I would do. You assume more whining and complaining would continue. Im saying...for myself atleast....I would be happy with a descent explanation.

I was all for the whole youll get news when there is news back in the day. But now its at a point where its like what the hell is goin on. As I said earlier...imo we all thought there was some grandplan...we were all wrong...in fact there was no plan....maybe there was. I think there was at certain points...and naturally things changed and im cool with that...but when things keep changing then I think that is why news would be a little more welcomed nowadays.

Touring in 02 was cool because it served a purpose. The last few tours were great but most would rather have a CD tour...but ok it we'll live with it. WHy would they need to tour with the same setlist again? There is no reason.

Since when has it become a rock n roll rule that a band must play in every arena ?in the world before they release an album? I didnt know this was the new rock n roll ettiqute. Why cant they release CD and tour on that and then they can visit any place they want and play whatever they want.

Most people get pissed because it seems as if touring got in the way of recording. I dont think thats the case anymore because the album is probably done. But thats why people were pissed in the past. Any future touring without the new album would be insulting

in the US probably.....not in Africa or South America....here, they could still pass as a major, stadium filling act....

What would be your idea of a decent explanation for why they haven't been able to release the album?

Ali

so if Axl came out and said that the reason CD is not coming out is because they havnt played in Africa and South America yet that would be ok with you?

again...since when does a rock band have to tour every arena in the world before they release an album. I dont get how they are related...especially to this extent

the truth. whatever that might be. hes the one who mentioned the process in the last update. So now I would just expect him to clarify why those goals werent met. The truth thats all. not too much to ask for.

of course not....
i want this album as much as you do, but i'm not prepared to give these people (gnr+management+associates) lessons on how to do their thing....i couldn't care less if they feel that they should take another 10 years....

i'm a gnr fan...first and foremost...and like every fan, would love to see them play in my neighborhood (cause trips to Europe are pricey)....and if they plan on touring the shit out of that band...I want them to come and see me as well.... :hihi:

with or without the album.

Royalty shenanigins, an unstable revolving door of pre and post production personel (producers, for instance), and the unsatiable desire on Axl's part for perfectionism.

Decent enough for me, I guess.

Once Axl mentioned to Zakk Wylde, when asked, that the legal battle's with his ex-wife and/or wives as a reason for no new material to the effect of not being able to come up with lyrics, though. Loosely quoated: "What am I supposed to sing about? My divorce?)

So there you have one reason from him. Decent for some, not for others. I say then fuck it and dedicate a whole album to that since it's such an emotionally gripping experience. Maybe some good stuff would have come out of it.

but the question still hasnt been answered. Why does touring and releasing an album have to be related? Why cant they release CD and then go tour and play wherever, whatever, and whenever they want?

If they want to take another 10 yrs then so be it. im fine with that too but they need to say that instead of stringing us along like fools.

Didn't we already establish that we don't know exactly why the album isn't out?

Do you wanna keep going round and round in circles?





/jarmo

because it encourages sales, longevity on the charts, and future income....the more products you have on the market, the better the chances of increasing your income....hence the basic logic of touring behind an album....


maybe...just maybe...we should give GOD the benefit of the doubt here....perhaps things really did get out of hand on many levels which he couldn't control...and then inevitably delayed the record....

if that's the case....if the reasons are of a personal nature....i wouldn't share it with the world either....

no we havnt. im not asking why the album isnt out yet. im asking why they cant release the album before touring again? Everyone justifies more touring because they havnt played in Africa yet. Are we serious here?

no....if touring is all we can get from the most unpredictable icon in rock....then that's what we'll have to take with open arms....face it....the fact that we got 12 months' worth of gigs is a minor miracle in the gnr world....

i undertsand that. i phrased the question wrong. Why do they have to tour all these other places before dropping the album?


i guess. but im fearing the next update to be what this thread is discussing. saying how they are back album news will be coming shortly then announcing another tour.

thats what im fearing. i dont mind silence but i do take issue with it if the next thing out of there mouth will be the announcement of a tour without a release date.

1. Merck clearly stated the band needed a cash injection.

2. a band which has been "dead" for 15 years cannot just re-appear and expect the world to give it this massive cheer and a heart warming welcome....there are new fans to be captured...old fans to be re-excited...that old feeling of being in a band needs to come up again....new generations....the band needs to be re-introduced...slowly, rumors need to be squashed.....and so on....in summary...call it PR....


things could be worse....

If you guys can ever get that arena built, The "Ville" would be perfect. 4 major population centers with in 100 miles. If not, Lexington is ideal.

Hmmm... I'm not sure what you mean by "having" to take in another tour with open arms, but I certainly won't be taking in another tour with an open wallet! ? :P

well, if that's all they have to give us....
as a die hard fan....i'll take it....maybe not to the extreme and overspend....but i'll take it...

I would only go to a new GNR tour show if there was a new album / or if they play 50% new material. Maybe if they played more materials off UYI like Estranged or Civil War or Yesterdays. It's time for some progress - if no new album, then a tour with a newer setlist.

I went to the Bruce Springsteen concert last week at MSG and he was unbelievable - but he didn't even play Born in the USA or Human Touch or Secret Garden. Practically 60% of the show was new material. My friend and I didn't even know the songs but half the fans there were singing along and the songs were surprisingly great. Bruce Springsteen looks great at 58/59 and there's no reason why Axl at 45 can't have a viable career by then, whether he has this band, a new band, the original lineup (I Hope) or a mixture of everybody from all his bands (30+ people comprised of 5 drummers, 15 guitarists, 2 bassists, 2 keyboardists and 3 backup singers)?

Otherwise I have 30+ shows on DVD and YOu Tube has plenty of excellent footage from the 2006 tours to satisfy my appetite for GNR. Better than paying $100 for something I can watch for free now. I think this is attitude that most GNR fans should have if Axl continues to elude the new album and fails to confirm or deny its existence and release date.

MNW

P.S. Younggunner needs a bowl of Chicken Soup. He's got some serious GNR fever.

They should really consider playing:

Nashville, TN
Louisville, KY
Lexington, KY
New Orleans, Louisiana
St. Louis, Missouri
Phoenix, AZ
Seattle, WA
Washington D.C.
Indianapolis, IN

Why shouldn't we be serious. GNR are popular outside of the USA. In theory GNR should play every place they can to re-ignite fan support - then drop the album. 

never try using sarcasm again.

Hmm from my selfish point of view and own convenience I have to say that as long as they tour Europe again ( specially Spain ) I don?t care about the Americans.

Sorry fellow Americans, I don?t mean to sound rude , just a bit selfish  ;D .

Hey were all selfish, I'd like to see several LA and SanFrancisco dates although these are not "new" places they havent been.? For me every show is unique always great music and plenty of friends to make and meet, so I would love a tour, album or not. And it's not like everyone in GNR is simply sitting around, Bumble's been out there doing things. I was lucky enough to see Hookes & Blow and talk to Dizzy on sunday here in LA...anyone who wants to hear a little GnR here in LA can usually find H&B or Big Ball Stars or whoever Dizzy's with nearly each week.? I mean life continues , I think things are happening on all fronts but I dont really think we are entitled to or even should get news/updates, and to continually focus on the record is a waste of time. Imagine if you are a fan who got a chance to meet some GnR personell, are you going to repeatedly ask about CD? Dont you think that would be boring.? As always I'm impressed with Jarmo's patience: this thread was about where to tour? Ok maybe not so interesting but why again it has to become a bitch fest I cant understand.

I'd like to see Guns play Omaha, Nebraska.  We've got a large venue that's only maybe 5 years old.  We've hosted McCartney, the Stones, U2, Coldplay, Kid Rock, several country acts... sell-outs aren't usually a problem.  It might be too big for Guns right now, actually.

Here's my take-- I've seen GNR twice now, in Minneapolis in '02 and in Ames, Iowa in '06.  Roughly six hour drives both times.  If they tour again without an album, I don't think I'll be going, unless they play Omaha.  I see no need to travel (and pay for a hotel) to see a show I've seen twice.

So basically, to quote marknroses-- "I would only go to a new GNR tour show if there was a new album / or if they play 50% new material. Maybe if they played more materials off UYI like Estranged or Civil War or Yesterdays. It's time for some progress - if no new album, then a tour with a newer setlist."

I've got Springsteen tickets for November 2 in St. Paul (another 6 hour drive).  I know it will be worth it.

louisiana need to see gnr again!  i had tix to the 2002 tour fiasco - only to be cancelled 2 weeks before.  axl & co. need to redeem themselves down here in the south.

Hell yeah! I could realistically make 4 of those shows.

Philadelphia
OR
Camden / Atlantic City

I saw them in NYC several times and Meadowlands but to see them at the Spectrum or Center would be great.

There is nothing like seeing them live whatever the setlist!

God, I just can't see them touring the U.S. without the album again.  Will I see them?  Of course.  Will I be able to convince friends to come along?  Probably not. 

I just can't see it happening.   :no:

But, if the album's out, I'll see them anywhere and everywhere, and I'll have plenty of folks to join me.   :beer:

(Philly would be sweet)  The drives from Delaware to Boston, NYC, and the Meadowlands are pretty long.....I'm the designated driver!  :crying:

First off thanks for making me laugh tonight guys with all the arguing.  St. Louis would be nice since I just moved here, if anyone on the forum is from the area maybe they can fill me in.  Are people here who are fans still upset about the riot? I know it's been a longtime I'm just curious.

Louisville or Lexington KENTUCKY!!!
They need to come to KENTUCKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I've made enough people GN'R fans to fill any stadium they come to over here!!

I'll go see them with or without the album.  Anyone saying they wuld get pissed off if they toured without an album is selfish and not really a true fan.    A true fan would be happy to have the opportunity to see their favorite band.    You have no right to demand anything and (in my personal opinion) its these leeches and pests that turns Axl away from communicating with his fanbase. 
 
If nothing else I hope they come back to Vegas and play the Joint or the HOB like they did when they first re-emerged in 2001, 2002, and  again in 2006.    Nothing compares to seeing GnR in a venue of 1500 people.

And Toronto too I believe

I don't care at all if they tour again without CD but they should play more new songs not to repeat always the same stuff . I think it's a pleasure to see them live...

at least that's what I think

They need to tour with a new cd or people will start to stop coming to the shows.  If Axl doesn't want to put out a new cd. then get the old guys back together and tour.  That way you will guarntee to always have a full house. 

Wow. Just wow. I thought a real fan would want the album at any time, before or after another tour, I think fans just want the album at this point. We've all heard what an amazing job they do live. I thought most fans were ready for the next step ? the album.

But since you're the sole arbitrator of objective reality, I guess 90 percent of all GNR fans are not really fans at all. I've been listening to AFD since 1987. I was the first person in my town to own the Use Your Illusion albums. I supported Axl on countless messages on dozens of message boards during the years when news was lean. I wore GNR T-shirts to college classes. I even defended Axl to other metal fans when Slash was no longer part of the band in 1996 ? a move that, at the time felt like the final death spasm of GNR.  I've seen GNR do their thing live. I've even lost lots of money because I've booked a trip to a concert that was cancelled at the last minute because at the time, Axl or someone else in the band couldn't get their shit together. Yet, I still frequent GNR's official site, it's myspace page, this page and others looking for news, and signs of what's coming next.

But I'm not a real fan, because I want the album. You said it.

I agree with Jim Bob but well, I would like them to tour with the album out but in my opinion with or without an album to promote it is always a pleasure to have the chance to see them live. I just had the chance to attend two concerts in 2006 and it was not enough for me so, think about all those fans who haven?t had the chance to see them live yet or those ones who have never attended a GNR show. If you really want to see them you go see them no matter what, with or without the record. :love:

Germany would be cool though  :P
But wait i once said that will not continue to support Axls' cash grabbing mentality.. ahh what the heck!! I'd go any day if they'd tour germany.
WOuld turn out to be fun one way or another

A tour again without this album would be a mistake.....again :no:

Don't come back to Chicago without the new album, damn it!!!!!!!!!!   :rant:

  :hihi: :peace:

If he was like that he would have released a ton of shitty material already ;)

It would be a terrible idea for GN'R to tour the States again without releasing Chinese Democracy. They could do it in 2002 because it was exciting to see Axl, and again in 2006 as people thought the album would be out soon...but to tour again without a new album would be pushing it.

Understatement of the fucking year.....

Would it be ok for them to announce the album release date say 3 or 4 months in advance then go on tour to preview the album?

Yes, it's not ideal, but I think that might work : ok:

Axl said Gn'R would tour this year with or without the album, so I see absolutely no reason why they can't continue to tour without an album in tow.

 : ok:
IMO thats probably what will happen. New album or not they will play some new-er songs anyway so i cant see why the album being out would matter.

Lets be honest most people who even have a passing interest in GNR have heard/downloaded the leaked new songs so an official album release before the tour (while being very cool) isn't necessary.

By this year , you mean 2007?? Are you referring to the overseas tour he did earlier? Or are you expecting an announcement for Nov/Dec dates?

Either way, I don't share your view on why they should tour without this album. I think playing any more dates, without this album, an official single, or even a confirmed release date of this album would not only be counter-productive, it would be fucking dull.

Axl said Gn'R would tour this year with or without the album.

If that's the case, why can't they tour next year without the album? ???


No.


If the album is complete and all that remains is legal issues or business arrangements, what do you expect the band to do?

Sit around and twiddle their thumbs?

If they want to get out and play a few shows, who are you to stop them?


They don't sound like fans to me if they're simply supporting Gn'R to get an album in return :no:

I would see them again, probably even multiple times, without question.   The atmosphere at a live GNR show is unlike any other concert I've been to, and being in a room with the band and all the people that love them is really something. 

GNR, please do some Vegas dates this year or next year!   :-*