Here Today... Gone To Hell!

McLaren
1    Fernando Alonso 
2    Lewis Hamilton 

Renault
3    Giancarlo Fisichella 
4    Heikki Kovalainen 

Ferrari
5    Felipe Massa   
6    Kimi R?ikk?nen 

Honda
7    Jenson Button     
8    Rubens Barrichello

BMW
9    Nick Heidfeld   
10    Robert Kubica 

Toyota
11    Ralf Schumacher   
12    Jarno Trulli   

Red Bull
14    David Coulthard 
15    Mark Webber 

Williams 
16    Nico Rosberg 
17    Alex Wurz     

Toro Rosso
18    Vitantonio Liuzzi
19    Scott Speed

Spyker
20    Christijan Albers   
21    Adrian Sutil

Super Aguri
22    Takuma Sato         
23    Anthony Davidson

I'll be supporting Ferrari      -     Massa and Raikkonen are really great drivers.  I want to see my fellow countryman Lewis Hamilton do well too, i can't stand button, and coulthard is useless.

BMW for me  :D. I hope Heidfeld and Kubica will/can do something... and suprise Ferrari & Renault.

Toyota launches 2007 challenger
Friday, 12, January, 2007, 10:26


Toyota officially presented its 2007 car to the world?s media in Cologne on Friday.

The Japanese team took the wraps off the TF107 as it admitted that it had ?under-delivered? in 2006 and would be expecting a major improvement in the coming season.

Despite its mediocre ?06 campaign, Toyota has shunned a radical departure in its design philosophy and has instead opted for an evolutionary development of the TF106B first introduced at Monaco last year.

Thus the new car retains its predecessor?s ?zero-keel? front suspension, which confers aerodynamic benefits but reduces the ability to adjust the car?s mechanical set-up.

Even so, technical chief Pascal Vasselon said there were almost no carry-over parts from the previous car, "except maybe the seat belts".

The squad vowed to address the reliability issues that bedevilled it last year, which probably cost it fifth place in the constructors? championship to BMW Sauber.

Vasselon said retirements had masked the team's improvement in the latter half of the season, when he claimed it made significant inroads on the front-runners.

And Toyota?s F1 president John Howett set his sights on a maiden grand prix victory as a key objective for 2007.

im hoping for Rubens Barrichello to win this season as i think he is a under-rated driver these days. Failling that i'd like to see Button get a win or two, also im waiting to see what Lewis Hamilton is like

Ferrari launches 'innovative' 2007 car


Ferrari has revealed details of the car it hopes will return it to world title glory in 2007.

The team released technical specifications of its new challenger, designated the F2007, at a behind-closed-doors launch at Fiorano.

Photographers were barred from the event but Ferrari published its own pictures of the car, the fifty-third grand prix single-seater built by the fabled Italian marque.

The new chassis incorporates significant modifications to the 248 F1 the team campaigned last year in terms of layout, bodywork and aerodynamics.

The F2007 features new front suspension that the team describes as ?a major conceptual innovation, mainly in terms of aerodynamics?.

It also has a longer wheelbase than its predecessor and a narrower rear end, taking advantage of the more sculpted shape of the gearbox housing.

The gearbox itself, which is still mounted longitudinally, is fitted with an innovative ?quick-shift? system.

The shape of the sidepods and their openings has also been revised, based on modifications to the cooling system, which also implies exits for the radiators on the upper part of the bodywork, while the engine air intake is also substantially different.

For the moment the F2007 has similar rear suspension to the 248 F1, but Ferrari plans to overhaul this once it understands more about the behaviour of the 2007 spec Bridgestone tyres.

As with other teams, there will also be a new aero package front and rear before the season-opener in Melbourne on March 18.

As a result of more stringent crash tests that have come into force this year, the F2007 is just under 10kg heavier than the old car.

It is expected to hit the track for the first time tomorrow, when Felipe Massa will be entrusted with a shakedown run around the Fiorano track.






/jarmo

BMW Sauber launches F1.07

BMW Sauber has launched its 2007 challenger in Valencia early Tuesday morning. The launch is a landmark in the team's history as it is the first real BMW-Sauber. The colours practically stay the same whereas some innovative aerodynamic features have been introduced.

The newly developed nose is substantially shorter than on the F1.06. The entry ducts for cooling air are larger and form part of the new cooling concept, which is supposed to integrate better into the overall concept of the car and provides increased air-flow. The rear of the F1.07 is slimmer and lower. Due to stricter crash impact regulations, the rear crash-element is much bigger. Because of the higher position of the car's nose, the wishbones run towards at a more significant angle than in the 2006 edition.

Having exceeded expectations by finishing fifth in the championship last year, BMW Mario Theissen believes the BMW Sauber F1.07 is a step closer to the top teams. The team will be doing a shakedown of the car at 13.00 (CET) on the 'Circuit de la Comunitat' in Valencia.

Renault unveils R27 in Amsterdam

The Renault Formula One team, winner of the drivers and constructors title 2006, has revealed its 2007 contender; the R27. In Amsterdam, in front of a few hundred invited guests the car was revealed after a spectacular show.


Renault F1 Team President Alain Dassas spoke of "exciting challenges" for the coming season, which will see the team's championship campaign spearheaded by Italian Giancarlo Fisichella, in his third season with the team, and Finnish rookie Heikki Kovalainen.

"Double championship success in 2005 and 2006 has earned Renault its status as a major force in Formula 1," asserted Dassas. "Our Formula 1 championship success is a benchmark of excellence that we aim to meet in every area of our operations. The Renault F1 Team's performance culture reflects the ambitious objectives of our company-wide plan, Renault Commitment 2009. Consecutive double championships are concrete proof that Renault can win in a demanding environment where success demands quality, technical excellence and reliability.

We must now live up to that reputation. The team will present a fresh face to the world with the arrival of ING as our new title partner, and we are proud to welcome this major, global financial institution to Formula 1. But on track, our challenge will remain the same: we will be asking our technical teams and drivers to make Renault a championship contender in 2007."


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Really do not like the livery this season !? :no:

I like the new Mercedes

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The Renault looks ridiculous, ING Group must have paid a mad amount of money to get that much space and the new team name

Yep they're now the primary sponsor for renault, I believe they're paying 100 million a year for that....

Btw, I also like the mercedes look although that hasn't changed much.....

Renault Do looks ridiculous...I just hope the car isn't as bad as the painting! ;D

PS.: There's gonna be a "HTGTH 2007 F1 season Game"?

I actually like the new look of Renault. And of course I hope Kovalainen will success this season as he has done pretty well in the practices..

What's the point?, you're gonna win anyway :rant:

hahahahaha, wish me luck buddy!  :hihi: :peace:

SCOTT SPEED? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/travesmilies/flaggen1/smilie_flagge13.gif)USA!!! USA!! USA!!!??(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/travesmilies/flaggen1/smilie_flagge13.gif)

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns18065.html

FEBRUARY 25, 2007

Oh yes, and Toro Rosso confirms Speed
The Red Bull philosophy of guerrilla marketing may work in the bars and clubs, where the Austrian drink sells well to the younger generations, but in Formula 1 circles some of the antics sometimes pass way over the heads of the F1 crowd. A case in point is the announcement - or perhaps one should say the non-announcement - that Scott Speed is staying with the team in 2007. This came as a one-liner at the end of the Sakhir testing report on Saturday afternoon, at a time that was pretty much guaranteed to get as little coverage as possible.

Whether this tactic was adopted because it was "cool" and will sell more drink or whether the team does not want the world to know it is running the only American driver in F1 is a mystery.

Anyway, the point is that the Formula 1 grid is now, finally, filled for this season and the only thing we now wait to see is the colour of the new Honda (green) and whether or not any of the teams will take the opportunity of a PR stunt and announce an Oompa-Loompa as the third (fourth or fifth) driver before the season begins.

None of this will make the cars go any faster.

just watch Kimi and Heikki Kovalainen..they will be the stars og F1 in next season! no doubt of that.

Alonso, Hamilton, Fisichella, R?ikk?nen, Kovalainen and Massa.....  exelent season!.

Pretty interesting concept, I like the livery a lot better than the one they had for the past couple of seasons? :smoking:


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Honda has this morning announced a major new initiative for the 2007 Formula 1 season. To help raise awareness of the environmental issues facing the planet, the RA107 F1 car will simply feature a huge image of earth, in place of the advertising and sponsor logos which have featured and dominated all other F1.......

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/02/26/honda_goes_green_with_2007_livery/

In other words, Honda failed to get a big sponsor.....





/jarmo

:hihi:

I think it's just a way to get more sponsors on the super aguri then anything else...

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!

In a couple of hours the 2007 F1 season will begins!!!!!!  :beer: :beer: :beer:

Sweeeeeet, Raikkonen won the pole and I got my first ever point in the HTGTH F1 game!  ;D

I knew Raikkonen would get pole, my brother is over in Australia watching the GP, bastard

Yes!

Nice start for Kimi. :D




/jarmo

Most righteous!

Impressive drive by kimi? :beer:

And what the hell was coulthard thinking? :no:

*edit: just saw coulthard talking about it he said he felt embarrassed and he apoligised so I forgive him  :)

I know next to nothing about Formula One racing so could someone explain to me why so many of youze picked Massa to win pole?? He was 16th in the Qualifying last week and finished 6th in the race so what made him a top contender this week?

Also, why is Scott Speed doing so sucky?? :'(? ?Is it more his inexperience as an F1 driver or is it his car n' team really suck?? Or a combination of the two?

He drives for Ferrari, which has been the best car so far this season.

He was fast in practice for this GP.

Last race he had bad luck.




Scott Speed drives for one of the smaller teams. Which means they have smaller budgets -> not as good cars.




/jarmo

Big budgets = Good cars = A chance to win the races.
Small Budgets = Bad cars = No chance to win one fuckin race on the season. :hihi:
 

Grouse is KILLLLLLING us!  And he always slips past with the bonus points by 1 pick.  :hihi:

I wish we could play for money?? :hihi:

What a season!

3 drivers draw (Raikkonen,Alonso,Hamilton- 22 points) never seen in 57 years of F1!

Massa right behind (17 points)

Hamilton best freshman ever ( 3 podiums/ 3 races)

What a season!

yeah, a three way draw..
interesting..

Kimi will outdo em!   ;D

hopefully Heikki will move up  :P

couldnt help but laugh when Button went out on the first corner! (he's my sister's favorite driver!)

 :smoking:

Sweeeeet, the gap has kinda narrowed.

But I still say Grouse tanked on purpose!  :hihi:

Hehe yeah I wanted to give you a fighting chance? ;)

I say deduct 5 points from the game for every negative karma.. ;D

Today completes 13 years since Formula One lost it's greatest driver ever...

"Ayrton Senna do Brasil!" as people call him here...

Time flies...

The greatest driver in F1 in my opinion.

That was a sad day for motor sports.



/jarmo

Indeed The greatest ever...

I was 13years old back on the time..sad day on a sad weekend for f1 and sport fans.

Senna was a FANTASTIC driver and a AMAZING persona..it was the golden era of the F1 and he was simple the best !!!

Great pole for Felipe Massa!!! I wasn't expecting his pole at all...I though Alonso had everything to do it!!

PS.: Does anybody knows a way to see the race via web stream? I'm talking about to watch the race, not listen to it...Because the Pope is in Brazil and he's doing a big thing tomorrow that's gonna be broadcasted by the TV station that broadcast the F1 races...and the pope thing will start at 10:00, so the race will be cut off at it's last half... and I really wanna see the whole race live!!!!!!!

Typical.

Just fucking typical.....

 ::)



Edit: Alonso calling Massa's driving dangerous is funny. Alonso seems to think everybody should give him way.  ::)




/jarmo

I find Alonso's way to see things very funny...
There was nothing wrong on the way massa took - or keep, whatever - the position on the first corner, Alonso just enjoy to talk his ass off!!

Massa din't  make nothing wrong he was on the inside part of the corner..
Alonso was arrogant..
Lewis the fuckin newbie is the leader of the championship F1 ! What a surprise driver huh ?! :D


He is the hook of the year lol

Massa learned from his past mistakes. If you give up the first corner, you lose the race.....




/jarmo

Alonso is a great champion. He won convincingly 2 years in a row against a heavy favorite with a supposedly superiour car. And unlike his opponent, Alonso never got that much (if any) help from his team-mate. Alonso may not be wording his statements in the best possible way, but at least he is not a criminal and dirty trickster - he never tried to deliberately crash anybody to win the championship, he never won a race because his team-mate corteously let him pass in the final laps, he never raced a race with only 6 cars on the track, he never openly insulted any of his opponents. All in all, it is clear than Alonso has more class than a lot of the previous F1 driver champions. And don't forget how young he still is - in 14 years he may well have at least 7 drivers chamionships under his belt.
This year hasn't started very smoothly for him and that's normal - new car, new team, finally a team-mate that can be competitive and push him. I am confident he will soon get much better.
And for the record, I am more of a Hamilton fan...but Alonso is the great champion : ok:

^well hamilton is in a new league, new team, and yet he manages to outdo alonso. :D
schumacher was not to blame because Rubens let him win. it was a team decision, so dont go bashing Michael for Ferrari's ethics.
as for Alonso not openly insulting other drivers, I'm quite sure there were a few "accidents" on his side in the past.
if someone does "dirty tricks" he gets a bad karma point :D Umpires are there to prevent dirty tricks and drivers are adequately punished for breaking the rules.
the 6 cars on the race track is not a Michael error either. Michelin fucked up on its own.
you bitch because Schumi stayed on the track... why didnt Alonso go out?
Simple.... because both were listening to team instructions, and acted as professionals, as they should.

HOLLY SHIT MAN WHAT A CRASH !!! :o

I really hope Kubica its well...

That took way too long for a doctor to arrive? ?:-\

that was a nasty crash, I really hope he's alright

That was the strongest CRASH i saw on FORMULA ONE !

He was like 180/200 kph....right to the wall.
Its like 200/kph to 0/kph on seconds.

this is one weird race  :o

well its defintley entertaining

go takuma sato!!!!!

damn, kubica broke a leg  :(

this was easily the most exciting race in 5 years :yes:

When the pole winner doesn't win the race, it will become more exciting.  :hihi:

Luck he is live...remenber what happened with SENNA. :'(

I would have to agree with you on that.  There was good racing all day, for just about every position. (Except for the lead  :hihi:)  Seems like some drivers are nearing the desperation point and just have to get moving.

By the way, for the first time in years, we're getting Formula 1 on a big network.

Yeah, you are right Kiko! Robert had much much fortune in this terrible accident? :'( God is watching after him? :yes:
Polish media are reporting now only on his right leg (probably ankle) beeing broken? :'(

(it was extremely nice that Hamilton's radio stuff gave him info on Robert's health just after the race ended - Lewis and Robert are friends from carting from 10 years)

But he is a tough FIGHTER? :). Four years ago, just some time before his first start in Formula 3, he had accident in a racing car of his friend, where he was just a passenger. He had a broken arm, and in 3 weeks after that accident he made his fisrt start in F3 in Nurnberg, having 18 (!!!) metal screws in his bones, problems with changing the gears, but he WON the race!!!!

ROBERT is VERY VERY TALENTED and moreover a VERY VERY HUMBLE and nice guy? :-*
I had the priviledge to meet & talk with him on our common flight from Warsaw to Zurich in April, just some time before the GP Spain.

He's my hero!!!!? :love:

Keep the faith in Robert! He should be back on track in 2 months time (first predictions of doctors).

He just need a better bolid!!!!
BMW Sauber is taking care mainly of their German driver? >:( and discriminating the Pole? :rant: Robert wasn't confident before the Montreal race? :no: http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/070608234939.shtml
His engineers didn't prepare a good set-up for him? :(

His father was in Polish TV studio, not so fortunate to be with his son everywere like Hamilton's family? :(. He immediately went to the airport and is on his way to Canada. It must have been a horror for his parents and his girlfriend? :'(

Great news regarding Robert's health? :D This is trully unbelievable!!!!?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/59663

Kubica sustained just a sprained ankle

By Jonathan Noble and Biranit Goren Sunday, June 10th 2007, 23:45 GMT

Robert Kubica will be released from hospital on Monday morning, having sustained just a sprained ankle and a light concussion in his violent crash today, his doctors confirmed.

The Polish driver crashed heavily on lap 27 of the Canadian Grand Prix, and was airlifted to the Sacre-Couer hospital in Montreal.

But despite widespread reports claiming that he has a broken leg, the hospital said Kubica has sustained minor injuries and confirmed he will be released after a precautionary overnight observation.

"Following the violent accident during today's Canadian GP, Robert Kubica was transferred by helicopter to Sacre-Couer hospital in Montreal," the hospital said in a statement originally issued in French.

"When he arrived at the emergency care unit Kubica was placed in the hands of Dr Ronald Denis, chief medical officer of the Canadian Grand Prix, and also head of the surgical department and trauma department at the hospital.

"Mr Kubica has been through all the necessary medical checks and there do not appear to be any serious consequences as a result of the accident.

"He is suffering from light concussion, as well as a sprained right ankle. He is in a stable condition and his life is not considered to be in danger.

"He will remain in hospital overnight for observation and his condition will be checked again tomorrow morning."

It's a testament to the gains in safety made since Senna's passing.

Massa seems to be a great driver..  Kimi needs to stop doing other things and start to focus his job as testing the car more. Basically IMO he's lazy for doing his testing job.. brilliant skills ain't far enough anymore. If Kimi's attitude towards testing and giving his 110% to his work doesn't change, Massa will tear him apart.


Best regards,
Jouni

Wonder if Kimi regrets leaving McLaren  ???


 ;D

What kiled SENNA was the front suspension arm that hited his head,but you are right the cokpit is more safety after SENNA's acident.

^^^ Talking about safety:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/59988

Kubica's crash data disclosed

By Mathias Brunner and Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, June 20th 2007, 11:27 GMT


Data from the Robert Kubica's horrific accident during the Canadian Grand Prix has been disclosed, showing the Pole survived a 75-G impact.

Kubica made contact with Toyota's Jarno Trulli when trying to pass the Italian, the BMW Sauber driver losing his front wing and going off track.

Data showed the Pole impacted against the wall at 230 km/h, and the G-forces on Kubica peaked at around 75 G in a millisecond.

The onboard accident data recorder (ADR) is built in the BMW Sauber car, placed behind the driver below the fuel tank. The device, roughly 15 by 15 centimetres big, is capable of logging data from the whole race.

The data was studied at Indianapolis by former Lotus engineer Peter Wright, now head of the FIA safety commission, together with his colleagues Andy Mellor and Hubert Gramling.

A report by them came to the conclusion that all the safety measures? - survival cell, enhanced crash boxes, HANS device, cockpit head rest and helmet -? worked perfectly.

"While we were completely shocked about the violence of the accident, we were over the moon to see Robert relatively unharmed and were very content about the behaviour of the chassis as survival cell," said BMW Sauber's technical director Willy Rampf.

"We are never doing any compromises regarding the chassis, never going nearly to the limit regarding weight for instance. We stay always on the safe side and that payed off.

"One must not forget that such a cell is quite complex, consisting of over 1,000 parts of carbon fibre, Kevlar, honeycomb structures and metal."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60219

Kubica passed fit to race in France ? ?:beer:? :beer:? :beer:? ;D

Reuters, Thursday, June 28th 2007, 12:35 GMT


Polish Formula One driver Robert Kubica has passed a medical and will race in Sunday's French Grand Prix, his BMW Sauber team said on Thursday.

"I'm 100 percent fit," said the 22-year-old driver, who missed the last US Grand Prix after an horrific crash in Canada on June 10.

"I'm looking forward to this race and happy that I missed only Indianapolis."

Kubica was replaced at Indianapolis by 19-year-old German Sebastian Vettel, who scored a point on his debut but now reverts to his former role of test and reserve driver.

Fuck!!!!  :rant:

Kimi Raikkonen was the underdog on this race...I never would have though that he could win this race...it messed up a my picks for the game!!  :rant:

Dickhead  :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

Nice win for Kimi.

Finally the way it should be.




/jarmo

McLaren suspend employee in Ferrari probe
Tuesday, 03, July, 2007, 17:15


McLaren has suspended a senior member of its technical staff after discovering that he received confidential information from a Ferrari employee earlier this year.

The British squad said in a statement that the individual in question ? who was not named ? was being investigated by Ferrari for industrial espionage.

The statement read: ?McLaren became aware on 3rd July 2007 that a senior member of its technical organisation was the subject of a Ferrari investigation regarding the receipt of technical information.

?The team has learnt that this individual had personally received a package of technical information from a Ferrari employee at the end of April.

?Whilst McLaren has no involvement in the matter and condemns such actions it will fully co-operate with any investigation.

?The individual has in the meanwhile been suspended by the company pending a full and proper investigation of the matter.

?No further comment will be made.?

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Ferrari dismisses Nigel Stepney
Tuesday, 03, July, 2007, 10:54


Nigel Stepney, the Ferrari engineer at the centre of a legal investigation in Italy, has been dismissed by the team, according to reports in the Italian press.

Ferrari confirmed to ITV Sport at the French Grand Prix that it was carrying out its own inquiry into Stepney's conduct in parallel with the police investigation.

Italian newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport now reports that Ferrari's investigation is complete and the squad has formally ended Stepney's contract.

Stepney is currently on holiday in the Philippines, but is expected to return later this week.

He has maintained his innocence throughout the affair and is expected to give a press conference when he returns.

According to Gazzetta, Stepney's lawyer Sonia Bartolini was not surprised by Ferrari's decision, but says the British engineer will be able to prove that he has done nothing wrong.

Although few details have been released about the nature of the investigation, Ferrari spokesman Luca Colajanni told ITV Sport that it related to irregularities discovered at the Ferrari factory prior to the Monaco Grand Prix.




/jarmo

McLaren moves to allay spy case concerns
Wednesday, 04, July, 2007, 13:41


McLaren has moved to allay concerns that it could have benefited from the confidential Ferrari information that was allegedly passed on to a senior member of its staff.

Yesterday McLaren announced that it had suspended an engineer, believed to be chief designer Mike Coughlan, after discovering that he had received classified technical information from a Ferrari employee earlier this season.

Ferrari subsequently confirmed that the case was related to the legal case it had instigated into its long-time engineer Nigel Stepney.

McLaren conducted an immediate investigation, and has now issued a statement saying it is satisfied that the information was not shared with other staff or used in any way on McLaren's own car.

"Following our statement of 3rd July 2007, McLaren has completed a thorough investigation and can confirm that no Ferrari intellectual property has been passed to any other members of the team or incorporated into its cars," said the McLaren statement.

"McLaren has in the meanwhile openly disclosed these matters to the FIA and Ferrari and sought to satisfy any concerns that have arisen from this matter."

The team added that the FIA, motor racing's governing body, was welcome to check the McLaren design to ensure that it had not benefited from the Ferrari information.

"In order to address some of the speculation McLaren has invited the FIA to conduct a full review of its cars to satisfy itself that the team has not benefited from any intellectual property of another competitor," the statement concluded.

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I read that apparently he had all the designs/drawings for the F2007.

McLaren has a lot of explaining to do..... Just like Stepney.





/jarmo

WOA never seen' something like that on F1 !

FIA needs to do somethig about it !!!

With all the money from Mclaren 900millions dollars/Ferrari 600millions dollars  year... FIA needs to punisher Maclaren on the Constructer Championship. :rant:

Kimi cleaned it again....excellent result...
Status Quo has been restored....finally...

Him and Alonso gave Hamilton a solid lesson in how to drive an F1 race....
Bring on Nurburgring!!!!

Wins Put Raikkonen Back in F1 Title Hunt

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Kimi Raikkonen won the first race of the season and immediately felt the great expectations Ferrari has for him as Michael Schumacher's replacement. That pressure made the slump he experienced in the next three months all the more difficult for one of the world's highest paid athletes. But the Finn has won two races in eight days to revive his title chances and make his struggles a distant memory.

"The Iceman", as he is known because of his cool temperament, has a simple explanation for his latest victory over the McLarens.

"We were first and they were second."

After nine races, he is third in the standings but gaining on Lewis Hamilton, the sensational rookie at McLaren who has 70 points. Fernando Alonso, Hamilton's teammate, has 58. Raikkonen jumped over teammate Felipe Massa, 52-51.

Of the four, Raikkonen is the only driver with three victories.

Raikkonen came over from McLaren last year burdened with a lot of hope and disappointment. He was second in the season standings in 2003 and 2005, pushing Schumacher to the last race in 2003 and losing to Fernando Alonso in 2005.

McLaren and Raikkonen went winless in 2006, and it had been known since late 2005 that Alonso would move from Renault to McLaren in 2007.

After months of speculation, Raikkonen signed with Ferrari last September when Schumacher announced his retirement at the Italian Grand Prix.

Although Formula One salaries are closely guarded, Raikkonen is paid more than $50 million a year for three years, according to F1 Racing magazine.

Alonso reportedly earns $22 million despite his two world titles.

Schumacher started at about $25 million for Ferrari and went on to win five straight driving titles for the team.

It appeared that Ferrari was getting a return on its investment when Raikkonen had the pole position and then the victory at the Australian Grand Prix.

"Of course it is a special moment," he said after the win. "With a new team, everything new, and we can win in the first race so, it is ideal. At least people will not ask when you are going to win. ... I am really happy with the team, and how things are going with the people."

But Raikkonen and Ferrari couldn't build on the strong start. Two thirds followed the victory, a dropout at the Spanish Grand Prix due to electrical problems and three consecutive finishes out of the top three.

Raikkonen even had an engine problem and had to start 16th at the Monaco GP and finished eighth.

Massa looked to be taking over as Ferrari's top driver with two victories and four pole positions in eight races.

Then changes to the car began to show results and Raikkonen gained confidence after a good test at Silverstone ahead of the French Grand Prix.

"It wasn't that we lost something. Maybe we just didn't get everything out of the car," Raikkonen said.

Ferrari went 1-2 at the French Grand Prix with Raikkonen overtaking Massa at the second pit stop with Massa complaining of traffic problems.

Raikkonen was encouraged by the good form.

"We didn't expect to have the problems that we had in the last few races, so I think we are back where we expected to be," he said.

At the British Grand Prix last weekend, it was more of the same. After the second pit stop, he overtook Alonso, who also complained about traffic hindering his chances.

Alonso was also realistic.

"I think the Ferrari was a little bit too quick," Alonso said. "At the end, I don't think the result would change too much."

Raikkonen's modest winning streak is his best since he won in Hungary and Turkey in 2005. That is a good sign as Hungary and Turkey follow the next race in Germany on July 22.

He says it is just a matter of locations from now on in the eight races remaining in the season.

"We seem to have good speed right now, but I also think it depends a lot on the circuit conditions and the places where we go," Raikkonen said. "But I'm pretty happy now with the car."

? Copyright 2007 CSC Holdings, Inc.

Formula One will not return to Indianapolis in 2008

Updated: July 12, 2007, 1:21 PM ET

INDIANAPOLIS -- Formula One's U.S. Grand Prix won't return to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway next year after officials failed to reach a new deal.

Speedway CEO Tony George said Thursday he and F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone agreed not to schedule the event for 2008. The only American-based race on the F1 schedule had been held at Indianapolis the past eight years, drawing some of the biggest crowds on the circuit.

"We did agree it was prudent to try and leave the door open for the future," George said. "My sincere hope is that we will have an opportunity to bring it back in the not-too-distant future."

George, who had set Thursday as the deadline for reaching an agreement to extend the contract with F1, said he did not believe a U.S. Grand Prix would be held elsewhere next year, but that such a decision would be up to Ecclestone.

George had said last month he was confident he could reach a new deal with Ecclestone after the two met during U.S. Grand Prix weekend in Indianapolis.

But Ecclestone repeatedly said F1 did not need to race in the United States, although he mentioned the possibility of moving the U.S. Grand Prix to New York or Las Vegas.

George said Thursday it was a "great disappointment" that F1 would not be returning to the 2.6-mile, 13-turn road course that was built inside the speedway's famous oval to attract the series.

"It's not fair to us, it's not fair to our customers, the loyal core of Formula One fans, to just go on indefinitely on hold," he said.

Attendance figures are not released at Indianapolis, but estimates have been around 125,000 each of the past six years. The inaugural race in 2000 drew more than 200,000.

The event was marred in 2005 when 14 of the 20 drivers pulled off the track just before the start over concerns about the safety of the Michelin tires used by seven teams. Afterward, George refused to wave the checkered flag or join Michael Schumacher in the winner's circle.

Last year's negotiations to extend the deal dragged into August before the two sides agreed to a one-year deal. Speedway officials had said they wanted a more permanent solution this time.

Despite F1's absence, the speedway could still be the site of three races next year as track officials expect to announce a deal with MotoGP, the international motorcycle racing series, next week.

Besides the Indianapolis 500, the speedway also is the site of NASCAR's Allstate 400 at the Brickyard on July 29.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=6&id=2933630

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Sad thing, the Indianapolis race always been a fun ace to watch, but I was kind of seeing it coming anyway, USA never loved F1, they rather watch those booooooooring IRL races...

Gosh, they only started racing in 2000.  What a waste renovating the speedway when F1 didn't even stay for a decade.

Another crash this season - not good  :no:? :(

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/07/21/dennis-lewis-is-fine/

Dennis: Lewis is fine
21 July 2007


Ron Dennis has confirmed that Lewis Hamilton has suffered no apparent injuries after a serious shunt in today's qualifying session at the Nurburgring. With six minutes to go in today's qualifying session, Hamilton suffered a big crash after his front right tyre appeared to fail. The young rookie was approaching the Schumacher-S flat out when his tyre yielded - his McLaren flying into the tyre barrier.

The session was stopped and it took around 30 minutes for the medical staff to take Hamilton away in a stretcher. He was conscious but looked seriously shaken, probably winded by the impact.

Ron Dennis confirmed: "Lewis is fine. There are no injuries or broken bones but he will be kept for a couple of hours observation just as a precaution. We had a gun failure - the right hand wheel was not on tight. But it was not a car failure thankfully, it was the gun's fault. It is far too early to say whether he can race tomorrow. Thankfully he did not lose consciousness. We'll make a decision about whether he can race after a couple of hours observation."

haha omg what a crazy race!

I was beginning to think everyone was going to end up off track in the corner in that turn.  :hihi:

Kimi Drunk  :hihi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VW2oAkjcJ4&mode=related&search=

Gypsy note:? I copy n' pasted this so I have no idea what “ is

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=40208
Vettel replaces Speed at Toro Rosso
 
Sebastian Vettel will leave BMW Sauber to replace Scott Speed in a race seat at Scuderia Toro Rosso with immediate effect, it was announced on Tuesday.

The 20-year-old German has been released from his third driver contract by BMW and will take American driver Speed's seat for the remainder of the current season from this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix.

Vettel, who became F1's youngest point-scorer when he stood in for Robert Kubica at the US Grand Prix, has been backed by STR owners Red Bull since the age of 12 and had been strongly linked to a drive at the team in recent weeks.

BMW boss Mario Theissen announced that the German carmaker would not block the move as it did not want to harm the young star's development.

“As our test and reserve driver Sebastian has carried out sterling work for us,” Theissen said.
“When he stood in for Robert Kubica in the USA Grand Prix he made history by becoming the youngest debutant to earn a world championship point.

“However, the current testing rules mean that he barely gets a chance to drive for us.

“Now he has been offered the opportunity to get inside a Toro Rosso cockpit.

“We have sponsored and coached Sebastian over a number of years.

“To place obstacles in his career path now would go against our concept of talent promotion.”

Theissen added that Vettel's strong Red Bull links made the decision to release him straightforward.

“BMW and Red Bull have a longstanding partnership in supporting Sebastian," he said.

"Toro Rosso is the sister team of Red Bull Racing, and in that context it makes sense for us to release him.

"In a sponsoring partnership the main thing is to use the best opportunities that present themselves to a young driver at any given time.”

Speed's departure brings to an end a turbulent relationship with STR after making his F1 debut with the team at the start of the 2006 season.

The relationship fractured further during the European Grand Prix weekend when reports suggested that the American would lose his drive immediately in the wake of a row with team boss Franz Tost.

Speed had become increasingly outspoken about his relationship with Tost and STR co-owner Gerhard Berger, revealing following the Nurburgring race that he had resigned himself to losing his drive and that both he and team-mate Tonio Liuzzi had received little support from the pair.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6923940.stm
Toro Rosso axe Speed for Vettel

Toro Rosso Formula One team have axed Scott Speed and replaced him with BMW's third driver, Sebastian Vettel.
The 20-year-old became the youngest driver to win F1 points when he drove for BMW Sauber in the US Grand Prix in place of the injured Robert Kubica.

Vettel raced karts for the Red Bull Junior team before driving for BMW in Formula Three.

Speed's future had been in doubt after an angry row with team chief Franz Tost after the European Grand Prix.

BMW team chief Mario Theissen said once the German driver received the offer, there was no way they could stand in his way.

"As our test and reserve driver Sebastian has carried out sterling work for us," he said.

"When he stood in for Robert Kubica in the USA Grand Prix he made history by becoming the youngest debutant to earn a world championship point.

"However, the current testing rules mean that he barely gets a chance to drive for us.

"Now he has been offered the opportunity to get inside a Toro Rosso cockpit.

"We have sponsored and coached Sebastian over a number of years.

"To place obstacles in his career path now would go against our concept of talent promotion."

KIMI like a monkey. :hihi:



http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,MUL81227-1311,00.html

Nice move  did Alonso today Huh ?! ::)


Its the same guy,that was criyng and all that agains Massa on the last race...


I think someone is afraid of a hook A.K.A Halmiton,the bichamp can't handle the english boy. :hihi:

Alonso demoted to sixth on grid
Saturday, 04, August, 2007, 22:32


Fernando Alonso has been demoted to sixth on the Hungarian Grand Prix grid after stewards deemed he "unnecessarily impeded" McLaren team-mate Lewis Hamilton in Saturday's qualifying.

Alonso and the team's actions forced Hamilton to wait in the McLaren pit as the pair stacked up prior to their final qualifying runs.

And while the world champion made it back on track in time to snatch pole position, Hamilton missed the cut despite dominating the session until that point.

The 22-year-old was forced to settle for second, but has now been promoted to the front of the grid.

McLaren has also been informed that it will not be eligible to score constructors' championship points in Sunday's race with either car.

Team principal Ron Dennis told reporters after qualifying that the mix-up began because Hamilton didn't follow instructions to allow Alonso past during the fuel-burning phase of Q3, thus throwing the McLarens out of sequence.

Alonso also staunchly defended his actions, arguing that he was simply following the instructions of his engineers who were trying to find him a gap in traffic.

But after reviewing McLaren's radio transmissions and interviewing Dennis, team manager Dave Ryan and both drivers, the stewards said they did not accept either the team's or Alonso's explanations.

"The explanation given by Alonso as to why...he remained in his pit stop position for a further 10 seconds is not accepted," read an official statement released eight and a half hours after qualifying ended.

"The stewards find that he unnecessarily impeded another driver, Hamilton, and as a result he will be penalised by a loss of five grid positions.

"The explanation given by the team as to why they kept Alonso stationary for 20 seconds after completion of his tyre change and therefore delayed Hamilton's own pit stop is not accepted.

"The actions of the team in the final minutes of qualifying are considered prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sport generally.

"The penalty to be applied is that such points (if any) in the 2007 Formula 1 constructors' championship as accrue to the team as a result of their participation in the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix wilt be withdrawn."

Alonso's grid relegation is not appealable but McLaren signalled on Saturday night that it will challenge the forfeiture of constructors' points.

It is the second year running that Alonso has lost places on the Hungarian GP grid at the hands of the stewards.

Last year, while driving for Renault, he started 15th after being penalised for brake-testing another car and overtaking under a yellow flag.





/jarmo

I don't think that's the case.

What Alonso did is not fair play, neither what Massa did last week..nor Hamilton being put back on track last week after he'd gone off due to heavy rain (I don't recall any other driver getting the kind of help). Seems to me there's some more interest in general (FIA, Mclaren...) so that Hamilton wins this championship than Alonso.

It reminds me of a footy match (Australian Rules) that happened yesterday.

Both teams are from Adelaide - Port and The Crows.

Now for some reason the Crows always win.

The commenators are always pushing the Crows and on the field you could actually see the Crows players in groups hassling the Port players.

Now Port Power, happens to have an Aboriginal coach - we call him Chocko!

Hope it's not a racist thing!

My great aunt was telling about what she saw - she's the Captain in the Resistance AK!

how come there is not a NASCAR section.. F1 Sucks and it's so boring  :no:

That sentence makes no sense...try change "F1" to "Nascar" or "IRL"...

But hey, if there's no Nascar's THREAD, why don't you start one?

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ovals sucks monkey balls ! :hihi:

what did massa do at the last race?? he did nothing wrong that i could see

hamilton was in a dangerous spot so he was allowed help, you cant say he wasnt seen as there was a few other cars in the same gravel trap, but they didnt keep theyr engines running, it happened to schumacher a few years ago when he was stuck on a kerb

what alonso did yesterday was dirty and deserved punishment

And what is the deal with turn only to the left anyway? Try turn the car to the right once in a while!  :hihi:

The only thing good about Nascar and IRL is the crashes, because a 2 hour race with cars turning only to the left and 300 laps with yellow flags is boring as HELL!

The McLaren drivers are not exactly pals anymore....

Alonso made some comments today that apparently said he's not sure if he'll stay at McLaren...


It must be a pretty tough situation to be in compared to Renault where his team mate wasn't at his level. Now he's getting his ass kicked by a rookie and suddenly he's not the #1 driver like in the past.

Suddenly things aren't done just to fit his needs.





/jarmo

THAT'S the perfect definition of Fernando Alonso. He's the kind of driver that is only worth of anything when everything is working the way he wants. There are some rumors saying that Flavio Briatori will try to bring him back to Renault. But is 100% sure(just waiting to get officially confirmed) that Piquet Jr. will drive there in 2008, and he's no Fisichella...actually, Piquet Jr. was the guy that were fighting head to head with Lewis on 2006's GP2 season...so, if he goes back to Renault he's going to find a team partner that will not let him have a nice and calm life as the absolute #1...

Dirty, same as what Massa did to Alonso. This is Formula 1 man, not fucking badmington. Drivers do whatever they can to win, do you think they like to be overtaken? do you think they just let the drivers overtake like we normally do when we drive our cars? It's a part of the race. What Massa did was dirty cause he went a bit too far and hit Alonso...but he wasn't punished. What Alonso did was dirty as well, but it's all part of the race itself. Besides, there's (was) nothing on the FIA rules and regulations that punishes what Alonso did on the qualifying...so why are they making such an arbitrary decision of pushing Alonso 5 spots?



Getting his ass kicked by a rookie? I dont think he's getting his ass kicked by anybody. There's only 7 points between the two and if I'm not mistaken, both have won 3 races...where do you see he's getting his ass kicked?

Alonso's desire to leave Mclaren is because he's not getting the treatment a world champion deserves. Hamilton is been with Mclaren for almost a decade now...he's Ron Denis little project. It's obvious, for Maclaren and F1, having a young, black, english driver winning the championship is way better than having Alonso threepeat. Maclaren is english, FIA CEO is english...I mean, there's not really much to say.

Only, and only if both drivers got the same treatment...

Same old story, the winner of the poll wins the race. Imagine that. :P

thats the thing dude, massa didnt do anything wrong in germany, alonso hit massa as much as massa hit him, there was nothing dirty about it

alonso is just a little bitch that believes his own ego

I say fuck Hamilton, He acted like a prick and screwed over alonso by disobeying the teams orders so when alonso returned the favor he gets punished and hamilton gets away with it...hmm makes you wonder doesn't it? ::)

He's gotten his ass kicked by a rookie (or team mate) more in 2007 than he did in 2006.

That's the difference and that's why he's a seven points behind in the championship. This was not the case last year. 


It seems like the last two years at Renault, he got what Michale Schumacher got at Ferrari, a team built around him and his needs.

Now it's not like that anymore. He's suddenly not leading the championship and he's talking about leaving the team when the season isn't even over yet.

As far as I can tell, it's one thing to compete against another driver from another team and something completely different to compete against a team mate who has the same car. Now he doesn't have the whole team working for him in order to beat that red car.... The other half of the team are working for Lewis to beat him!



/jarmo

that's the reason why Juan Montoya left F1. All the results are predictable.. whoever gets the poll is the one most likely to win,, Where is the excitement on that? 

Well, the excitement is obviously about guessing who'll get the pole :hihi:

Like in Hungary where the pole position was decided after the qualifying.  :hihi:



/jarmo

The problem for Alonso is the difference in treatment both drivers are gettign from Mclaren.

You make it sound like Alonso wants to leave cause he is losing when tha's not the case. Alonso's gone a long way to gain the status he currently has, That doesnt mean that the whole team has to evolve around Fernando's figure, but at least give some fucking credit when credit is due. what has Hamilton done? He does whatever he pleases, disobeys team orders, memorizes Alonso's telemetrics and gets treatment as if he was the two time champ. Not too mention, he's got all the FIA pulling a few strings here and there when it's needed.

Mclaren should fine Hamilton for disobeying team orders, but hey, the guy is untouchable... he acts like he's got 7 championships on his belt already..makes me wonder.

I'm just as surprised as everyone else than Hamilton is doing so well. I'm glad Alonso's got some competition at last. Sure this year things are far more interesting than the last two years, that's better for fans, ratings and the show itself.

Maybe Alonso should've thought about that when he signed with McLaren?

McLaren has always been known as a team with no #1 driver. For him to expect to be #1, especially considering who his team mate is, is just stupid.

Alonso got a penalty from the F1 people, not McLaren. So it's not surprising Hamilton wasn't punished.

I think what he did was wrong, but I'm not surprised McLaren didn't punish him. What are they supposed to do? Let him start from the pits?



Do you remember when Prost and Senna both were driving for McLaren? That situation was similar to this one....




/jarmo

Ferrari better get their shit together fast.
I dont want either of these 2 in mclaren winning the championship.

Hamilton disobeyed direct team orders 6 times during qualifying 3. He was supposed to enter the pits before Alonso, but he didnt really bother to obey what he was told. On each and every race, each driver gets to complete one more lap than his teammate and in this case, it was Alonso's turn to complete on extra lap. They've been doing this all year long. Hamilton was told but he didnt want to listen.

McLaren said the delay at the pit-stops in qualifying was Hamilton's fault, for causing confusion in the team by disobeying an order to let Alonso pass him ahead of the pit stops.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/07082007/3/mclaren-tell-f1-driver-alonso-leave.html

I don't really blame Alonso for what he did now. No wonder why he did it...why can the little kid get away with everything he wants and not follow the rules? That is what is driving Alonso mad. The rules are for everyone to follow - including the untouchable rookie.

Moreover, apperantly Hamilton told Denis to Fuck OFF when Alonso made him wait in the pits. Radio conversation's have been filtered and spanish newspaper "El Pa?s" describes the nature of the conversation. I'll try to find more on this later...

About Senna and Prost, I do remember somehing similar happened and indeed proved, that Maclaren is a team with no #1 driver, but if I'm not mistaken, when that feud occurred, both drivers had already won championships. The ego fight was expected. But now? What has Hamilton done? He's a rookie and wants to get a superstar treatment.


Edit.- Link provided above.

The fact that he's a rookie doesn't mean anything.

He's paid to drive and win races, just like Alonso is.


I'm not defending his shitty actions when he didn't obey team orders, but at the same time, it's interesting to see Alonso finally being put to a test.



/jarmo

Yeah, you're right Grouse.? But FIAmilton? :hihi: is probably already a champion, no matter that there are still 6 races to go? :-\
If something, both of them should be punished and not only Alonso? ::) Also the penalty for the team in constructor standings was odd... Maybe it was a kind of "offal" for Ferrari after the spy case? ??? But still we have to wait till 13th of September for the final verdict.



I don't believe any miracle could change that. It's too much POLITICS in it.?
What is dangerous, that they breed that way another untouchable Schumacher? :rant:

And that guy is still a little child inside:

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/08/06/hamilton-alonso-not-talking-to-me/

Some humility is recomended to this youngster? :yes:

And all of that should be their team's internal thing to deal with and they do it opossite way: everyone can witness it in public? :o


Take a correction on that Alonso (as well as Kubica) had to change this year their agressive style of driving because of the Bridgestone tyres


And how not to like the guy, I mean Kubica? :D when he coments like this after GP Hungary:

"It was tough on the first 10 laps, as I was on the uesd tyres. But afterwards it was cool" (he used in Polish: "gites" - which means cool, but it's used in a funny, slang way? ;D)

- On start you managed to overtake World's Champion, Alonso.

"Start was good, but I had used tyres. They started to peel off quickly and I had to clean them from granules on the track and Alonso "swallowed" me, as if I was in a waggon-driving"? ;D

Did you feel like a hero? Tribunes were white and red. [30k Polish fans attended the Hungaroring]

"It was great. But I'm not any hero. I'm just a driver"? : ok:? :love:

http://www.dziennik.pl/Default.aspx?TabId=280&ShowArticleId=55577

In Hungarian: Kubica bajnok!!!? ;D

What is cool after having Robert in F1 just for 1 year:
We're getting three F1 events in Poland this year. Renault F1 Road Show took place in Warsaw in June

http://www.renault.f1roadshow.pl/roadshow/

Now on the 15th of August RedBull is bringing their 3D Race to Cracov - home town of Kubica (what a strategic move? :P)
http://www.redbull.pl/#page=ArticlePage.1185897199722-87947211

And on the weekend 17-19 of August BMW Sauber is bringing their Pit Lane Park to Warsaw? : ok:

http://www.pit-lane-park.pl/

Wow Tynia! Is this the first year that Poland has been treated to 3 events?

The sad truth is: yes, the first time? :-[ But in our country there wasn't big intrest in F1 throughout the years. Now we have Robert in BMW Sauber team, so this sport is getting much more attention from media and casual fans  : ok:

I know that not so long ago there was a short visit by Michael Schumacher in Poznan and prolly some other drivers visited our country, but it's the first time they're bringing the F1 cars and are gonna use them on the streets (bridges to be more specific)? ;D? ?

Nice race.

Hat trick Massa !  :smoking:

well, mclaren has been fined with 100 mil$... and stripped of all the constructor points.
Hamilton&Alonso suffered no penalty.


it's likely ferrari will completely stop developing the 2007 model... and shift all resources to the 2008 car... since there's no chance for Massa and Kimmi to win the championchip, and constructor position is guaranteed.

hopefully, next year massa will have a better season.

That's a little extreme, if you ask me. Especially since it hasn't been proven that McLaren actually used the information in the Ferrari dossier.

McLaren exposed by spy evidence

By Andrew Benson
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6995240.stm)

McLaren received a systematic flow of information from a spy within rivals Ferrari for nearly three months this year, the FIA has revealed.

Drivers Fernando Alonso and Pedro de la Rosa were aware of the information.

It was the possession of this "highly sensitive" data that led the FIA to fine McLaren ?49.2m and deduct their constructors' championship points.

The information came to McLaren chief designer Mike Coughlan from Ferrari chief mechanic Nigel Stepney.

The data McLaren received over the three-month period concerned the Ferrari car's brakes, weight distribution, aerodynamic balance and tyre inflation.

In a 16-page document, the FIA said e-mails showed that test driver De la Rosa and reigning world champion Alonso had been aware of the Ferrari data.

   
All the information from Ferrari is very reliable

Pedro de la Rosa in an e-mail to Fernando Alonso on 25 March

"The emails show unequivocally that both Mr Alonso and Mr de la Rosa received confidential Ferrari information via Mike Coughlan.

"Both drivers knew that this information was confidential Ferrari information and that both knew that the information was being received by Coughlan from Nigel Stepney," the report states.

In what is being viewed as the most damning section of the report, the FIA has published an e-mail exchange between De la Rosa and Alonso.

"All the information from Ferrari is very reliable," De la Rosa wrote to Alonso on 25 March in an exchange about the Ferrari's weight distribution.

"It comes from Nigel Stepney, their former chief mechanic - I don't know what post he holds now.

"He's the same person who told us in Australia that Kimi (Raikkonen) was stopping in lap 18. He's very friendly with Mike Coughlan, our chief designer and he told him that."

These are the main points raised in the statement on the FIA website:

    *
      Coughlan had more information than previously appreciated

    *
      Information included sensitive technical information and sporting strategy

    *
      De la Rosa requested and received secret Ferrari data

    *
      The information was shared with Alonso

    *
      Intention by McLaren personnel to use data in their own testing

McLaren has refused to comment on the FIA's revelations, published on the eve of the Belgian Grand Prix in Spa.

The extent of the information Coughlan received about the Ferrari goes far beyond what was revealed at a first meeting of the FIA's world motorsport council in July.

At that time, the FIA decided not to punish McLaren because there was no proof the information had been used "in such a way as to interfere with the running of the FIA F1 world championship".

But the new evidence persuaded the world council to change its verdict at Thursday's meeting.

De la Rosa revealed plans to test Ferrari's weight distribution in McLaren's simulator, plans that were later abandoned.


It was revealed that Alonso agreed it was "very important" that McLaren tried out the gas Ferrari were using to inflate their car's tyres.

It also emerged that De la Rosa had asked Coughlan for specific details of Ferrari's braking system, and that the designer revealed to the test driver "we are looking at something similar".

The document appears to explode the view that this was only a case of two rogue employees using the information to find better jobs at other teams, and that the confidential information had not been circulated within McLaren, as the team contended at the first world council meeting.

The world council said it had decided to inflict such a heavy punishment on McLaren because "there was an intention on the part of a number of McLaren personnel to use some of the Ferrari confidential information in its own testing".

It added: "The evidence leads the WMSC to conclude that some degree of sporting advantage was obtained, though it may forever be impossible to quantify that advantage in concrete terms."

Alonso and team-mate Lewis Hamilton were not punished in the drivers' championship because "primary responsibility lies with McLaren, and also because McLaren's drivers were offered individual sanction" for telling the world council what they knew.

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Now the mofo's fucking deserve it. : ok:

holding thumbs for Kimi this afternoon.....its time now for him to teach them all a lesson......enough fucking around.....

Wow what a crazy race, THE best race I've seen in a long time!

Best  race of the year ! ;D



ShuMassa on !


Massa X Kubica on board camera a must see for a F1 fanatic! ;) ---------> http://www.youtube.com/v/JuxOv2kvjA4

Very cool video! That is some wild racing! I am so mad at myself I didn't watch the race today.

Thanks KIKO2K6.  : ok:

Scratch that! I see it's on replay right now!!!  ;D

^^I hope you catch all of it, 'cause it was one of the most bizarre races I've ever seen...

Yeah...it was a good, wild race and was happy I caught the replay.  :)

Great win for Kimi.

Fifth of the season.


McLaren keeps a car on the track for too long and it results in a DNF. Sounds familiar.....

Kimi at Nurburgring 2005.



/jarmo

HAMILTON MAY BE PENALIZED
By TALES AZZONI, AP

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10202007/sports/hamilton_may_be_penalized.htm

October 20, 2007 -- SAO PAULO, Brazil - Lewis Hamilton, fastest in yesterday's practice ahead of the decisive Brazilian Grand Prix, was in danger of being penalized for illegally using a set of tires.
The McLaren driver, trying to become the first rookie to win the title and the youngest F1 champion, was among three drivers facing penalties for using two sets of wet tires during the first practice session in Interlagos.

Hamilton clocked 1 minute, 12.767 seconds in the afternoon session at the 2.6-mile counter-clock track, .122 faster than second-place Alonso and .345 faster than fourth-place Raikkonen. Felipe Massa, last year's Brazilian GP winner with Ferrari, was third.

FIA officials were meeting to decide whether the drivers would be penalized, but the governing body did not immediately say what kind of penalties they were facing, if any. Among possible penalties in such cases was the loss of 10 starting positions.

Hamilton leads teammate Fernando Alonso by four points and Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen by seven.

Alonso said he wasn't too familiar with the regulation.

"I don't think we were totally aware of this rule," Alonso said.

YEAAAAAAH!!!!
 :peace: :peace: :peace: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=40622.100

Too bad about Hamilton. That's what happens when you cheat in qualifying. ;D

that's the F1 discussion.
this is the championchip congratulation thread :P

Kimi  ;D



Holy crap!

Finally!



/jarmo

One point! One fucking point!

Amazing race! :o Whoooooohooooooo! As Jarmo said: finally!

Good luck to Massa next year.
hopefully he'll be the champion for 2008, and we'll finally have someone from Brazil win the last race.

yeah im delighted for him, he should have had a championship long before now, but yes finally  :peace:

next year... Felipe !!!!

Congratulation to KIMI ! ;D


KIMI owns Felipe one, He gave the race to KIMI today... a team championship move !



Lewis hamilton lost the championship on Japan...hauhauhuha !


Next year Alonso on Renault,Lewis on Maclaren and Massa champion on Ferrari ! :peace:

Congratulations to Kimi!!! Woohoo!!!!!  :beer: :beer:

What should he do?

Win the race and make sure Alonso wins the championship?  :P




Everything went according to Ferrari's plan today and the fact that things didn't go McLaren's way helped.

Well deserved championship win for Kimi.



A lot of so called experts have kept saying that he can't drive and he destroys cars.

This season proved them wrong.

He's been driving for the wrong team for too long.



For the first time in a few years, Alonso  got to know what racing is about. Things are suddenly more difficult when you have to drive to be #1 in your team instead of just getting everything served on a silver platter.

I wonder how Michael Schumacher would've managed at McLaren.....


Kimi wins the championship after being close before and Alonso gets beaten by a rookie driving in the same team with a similar car. What a year.




/jarmo

And don't forget the beautiful start : ok: Nice strategy by Ferrari.

Aaaahh, that's just some fucking shit someone made up :hihi:

Wouldn't be surprised if they hand Hamilton the title.....

Bernie would like that.



First we get a race where the guy who's seven points behind does the unimaginable and now the three guys who "helped" Kimi win the title are all being investigated. What are the odds?

How come Rosberg's team mate Nakajima isn't mentioned?


In addition, if McLaren's drivers weren't punished for the spygate debacle, why should these drivers be punished for something they didn't do?

If the fuel isn't according to the rule book, take their constructor's points and fine the team.



The way Lewis was put in his place today must've been humiliating for some.

It seems like anybody who dares to fight with Lewis is getting punished lately..... Ask Kubica who got a drive through for trying to pass him in a previous race.


Edit: No penalties were handed out regarding the fuel thing.



/jarmo

I would hate to see the championhip decided in a courtroom.

Congratulations to Kimi, he deserves the championship!

Congratulations Kimi & Team Ferrari!!!
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?(http://gypsysoul.lunarpages.com/Kimi1.jpg)

The way Hamilton drove the last 10 laps was unbelievable... a complete kamikazee

Mclaren plan to appeal the stewards decision:

the real reason why he had trouble at the start:

"I feel sorry for Lewis after his performances this year as a rookie. Raikkonen is champion. I just hopes he starts talking more."

- Bernie Ecclestone

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/motorsport/2007/10/25/ron-blew-it-for-lewis-89520-20005386/


Poor Bernie, haven't understood that the secret to winning an F1 championship is driving, not talking.

Ferrari didn't hire Kimi to talk.


People watch F1 to see exciting races, not because somebody's talking about pointless things between the races.

 :P


/jarmo

I love the way Kimi's talking lately? :D He's quite open about his feelings and talking just the things which seem to be most important to him!
Bernie must be fucking satisfied with that? :hihi:

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/10/24/kimi-so-happy-it-hurts/

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/10/30/raikkonen-to-return-in-december/

I also like the way he smiles? ;D? 8)

Justice exists!!!? :P? : ok: FIAmilton go home!

Kimi so much afforded to be the 2007 champion? :love:!!! Congrats!!! (The Mclaren appeal won't make no difference, cause they don't have strong evidence!)

But still the best overtaking of the final race belong to One And Only Mr. Robert KUBICA? ;D

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z4-9gD5HKo

(specialy for you guys with some Polish commentary? ;)? : ok:)







PS Jarmo, did you drink all your vodka that evening? ;)? ;D ?

and its official.