Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I have a replacement.

Guys, Kid Rock is not hard rock.  I agree.  But his new song is fucking killer.  It is very ballsy.  It is very simple, but it rocks.  Rock lyrics "I wanna fuck you like I'll never see you again", ballsy playing.  Nice tasty solo.  Huge intro with just guitar, Bass, and drums jamming out.  I am convinced Kid could lead a real rock band..... I would take his ass in Velvet Revolver.  I am honest.  He has a decent voice, great front man, can scream, has attitude, not addicted to anything.  He may be a genuine badass for all I know.  And after knocking out Tommy Lee last month he is inching closer.  I could just see him getting along so good with Slash, Duff, Dave, and Matt.   

check out "so hott"

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=30362558

I know I am about to get flamed.

I still love Scott, just keeping options open incase he hits the door to reunite STP. 

Kid Rock crosses a line of white trash that I am not willing to follow.

perhaps.  But, I think if he stuck to rock, he could be good... Seriously.  So Hott proves that to me. 

I'd really rather have VR the way they are now.

okay!!!  sorry!

I like VR the way they are too!  Just would love to see Slash jam with Rock on a true Rock song one day. 

I hope the next VR album returns to more hard rock!

I think Josh Todd would be a good fit and they'd get back to some meaner, nastier, bluesier hard rock with him.  They should've gone with Josh Todd to begin with.

Ali

Why even think about something that probably wil never happen?? ???

What? VR breaking up or taking a break?




/jarmo

Nothing aganst KR, but not a good fit for me.

You can never know what the future holds and it's not like the band hasn't had their tension both before making this record and during the tour for it.  Plus, you have Weiland's solo album coming up, so there will have to be a break on Weiland-included activity.

Ali

Very true, afterall how amny members have come and gone from the GNR line-up post 1996?

VR will break up one day... Nothing lasts for ever as the song said. What I think won?t happen is Scott being replaced for whoever really. The band can take some time, even break-up but I don?t picture them finding another singer. That?d would change the whole dinamic of the band. They could start another one however...

I wouldn't be surprised if Duff and Slash continue working together after VR.

Maybe even with Matt.... And then get a new singer.




/jarmo

Me neither. But in another band. It woulnd?t make much sense keeping up with VR without the singer from the beginning.

I wouldn't be surprised if Duff, Slash, Matt and Dave continue to work together. ?Duff and Slash both have history with Dave, so it's feasible.

Too bad for them that Buckcherry has come back with a vengeance on their new album. ?Josh Todd won't be available anytime soon, I don't think. ?Not that he would consider working with Slash again as he seemed pissed by how Slash ended their working relationship last time. ?They might have to go with an unknown if things don't work with Weiland down the road.

Ali

I too think they would probably work together at some point in time, maybe not right away. I would think they would probably change the name of the band though.

yes, with a new name, but much more because of the lack of success of this band.

for the singer choice...it is hard, because they need an excellent one who is a great songwriter too.

I know a lot of people here don't like Scott for a variety of reasons (his shit talking mostly).? But do you think the songs would be better with someone different writing lyrics and melody?? I know it all depends on who the other singer would be.? I really want to know people's opinion on this.? I just don't feel like Scott is the weak link in the band when it comes to songwriting.?

I don't know if it would be better or worse with a new singer but Scott is 100% responsible for the songwritting, the other members create the music. Scott also choose the songs to work on for Contraband. I wonder what some of the other material they came up with was like. I always love to hear them jam together.

compare what's the guys have made with Axl, and what they're doing with Scott, you'll have your answer.

There's enough ex-GN'R members to continue VR even if Slash, Duff, Dave & Matt quit...  Scott isn't the one that will be replaced.   : ok:

Compare what Axl has made with the guys and what Axl has made without them.

.... annnnnnnd there goes another thread in the Velvet Revolver section.  Way to go everyone, it was a true team effort!   : ok:

Well I don't even know why GNR came in here in the first place, it's more of a chemistry thing. I like VR's music but it might help if some of the band members had input in the lyrics and melodies and sang backup and made it more of a group thing.

YOU are the one who is trying to compare Axl's previous work with Axl's current work.

the first comparison was Slash/Duff's previous work w/ their current work.

obviously their current work doesn't hold a candle to their previous work.. so that got your panties all up in a bunch, and then you do this stupid bullshit in the VR section


which has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand.  its the only way you know how to defend your little hero.  its fucking pathetic.

Amazing that it has reached a point where fans of Guns N' Roses now consider Slash other people's "little hero".

I thought that was a reference to Weiland.  Jimmy, correct me if I'm wrong.

Ali

i'm not a devin, chinese democracy is not released as you already noticed, but maybe you are ?

anyway to stay in topic, i hope slash & duff will make something else in a near future, more
original and surprising, they are talented, they just need an amazing leader.

i was referencing Slash.   What is so amazing about it Eazy?   He hasn't been in the band for 11 years and a lot of us are sick of the people who still come around who haven't accepted that.   

its obvious by darth monkey's comments he can't get over the past.  anytime someone says something about VR, all he knows how to do is talk about how fucked up Axl is.

stupid topic imo


IMO Kid Rock could fit in better in new GNR If axl ever left the band for any reason

 :hihi: :hihi:

I just think they need to work together better as a band and take more risks. ?VR lacks emotion to me, there is no passion and personality to the songs. ?Its good music, but I think my own expectations are too high. ?lets face it, to write timeless passonate real songs is really tough to do, which is why i admire the few stand out bands who are able to do that for me. ?

Members in VR have had the abitly to write music that affects me like no other, ?but together in VR it just doesn't work for me. ?Its hard to tell who or if there is a weak link, its more like, the magic just isn't happening, you can't really force it. ?A song like Duff's Rain is just so honest and real, which is missing in VR for me and ?unfortunately the sincerity conveyed in songs like Creep just isn't there in Scott. ?Maybe they need some time to live life and be inspired some more, i don't know, i'll support them as long as they are making music but i believe there is not enough chemistry in this band, nobodys fault at all, you can't force it.

I would stop supporting VR if Kid Rock ever got involved! I don't have a problem with him as a person and personality, I just don't like his music!

I understand that you're sick of hearing from those people... what I'm amazed at is the condescending tone taken towards Slash. ?You may not agree with a few minor things he's said/done over the years or you may not like his work in VR... but is it necessary to make it sound like the poster is defending Milli Vanilli?

Wow Jimmy "Zig Zag" Bobiadis, your the one that's fucked up. Someone said to make a comparison of what the guys have made with Axl and without, I just said fine than do the same for Axl. I don't really give a shit either way. I'm a fan of both bands but I hate all the comparisons that are being thrown around here. I just saying that is someone is going to say that they produced substandard music after leaving Guns they better damn well admit Axl has not released anything accept "Oh my God", which well I won't give my opinion on that because it'll get your panties in a bunch.

Maybe I need to give you some homework to. Go find one reference where I put down GNR past, present or future. I never said they sucked our anything. I have said that I don't agree with everything they are doing and aren't Gods but I have have said the same thing about VR. In fact in this very topic I just said that I didn't like that Scott did all the songwriting and choose the melodies and so on. Your head is so far up your ass you can't even read people's posts before deciding what type of person they are. Do yourself a favor at least read before you post !!!

kid rock is very underrated, but don't think we'll ever see him with duff and slash.. at least not in a recording band

i've thought about this topic a lot (meaning before it was posted as a topic here)

i've thought about if they would have chosen josh todd we wouldn't have awesome buckcherry today..
i'm glad they didn't pick baz for obvious reasons..
i've thought about corey taylor, he really has kickass voice, but maybe he's "too hard" and too metal..
if they would have gone with a girl brody dalle would be my only alternative but she's probably too much "punk"
(even though weiland is to much grunge :P)
rod jackson totally owns and i would love him,
the singer from ugly kid joe could be cool
mike patton could be cool but he's weird :hihi:
chester bennington would maybe be cool if he sang in a real rock n roll band (even though i didn't really like him with camp freddy)

of those i've mentioned the singer from UKJ and Rod Jackson would be my favourites

Of course you said fine.

It's got nothing to do with the topic and it's just another excuse to forget the topic.

It's pretty logical to compare what Duff and Slash has done before and with Weiland since the topic is asking what they could do without him.

There's really nothing in this topic that points to the need of discussing what Axl has done with or without those two.






/jarmo

I don't know why we have to compare them to GNR, they've all had projects that they worked on during and after GNR, so we don't have to be so narrow minded. I admit there was a good chemistry in GNR for a while, but it was a different atmosphere. All 5 members lived in a small room together and all struggled to survived and make it in LA together. Things have changed, they all have their own houses and families now.

It just seems that if we choose this path it is just going to be another VR vs GNR thread and quite frankly I think everyone is quite tired of those. So if we want to do it then be prepared to to compare what Axl has done with and without Slash and Duff and all the rest of the shit that goes along with that. VR and GNR are two sepearte bands, GNR does not need to appear in every VR topic.

You still don't fucking get it do you?


Topic: If Weiland ever left VR for any reason

VR = Scott, Slash, Duff, Matt & Dave.

Take out Weiland.

What has Duff, Slash, Dave and Matt done without Weiland?

Well, Duff and Slash were in GN'R for example.

You could say the material they did with GN'R is great because they worked with Axl. Or maybe you think it was great because of Steven Adler. Who knows.

Now, why do you need to go on and start talking about Axl past that?

You don't!






/jarmo

^exactly my point.  Axl has nothing to do with this topic at all.

Well by saying you should compare the music that Slash and Duff made with Scott to that of GNR you are kind of bringing Axl into the equation. I'm sure you know Axl was the lead singer of GNR back then or is that over your head. Slash and Duff did however team up with Iggy Pop and made some good music while they were still in Guns together. I'm just wondering why we have to go back to the same fucking thing again, you can talk about what it would be like if Scott left without even bringing GNR into the equation. That would probably solve your problem and my own with the turn this topic is taking, but then again it is your style to turn everything into GNR vs VR so you'll probably want to continue this...yawn

You even confuse yourself......

Yes, you can mention that they worked with Iggy Pop.

Good call.



Now, would you mind if Jim Bob and I start talking about what Iggy has managed to do without Duff and Slash in this thread?



/jarmo

Billy Idol would do an excellent job...................

it would be just as relevant as talking Axl.

okay this is one of those threads i just learned to walk into and then right out of. however, billy idol as relevant as axl on a guns n roses board? what did I miss? everyone loves axl here, he is bound to come up a lot no matter the topic at hand.

why would Axl come up in the VR section?

A. because some slash troll doesn't know how to defend his lil god.
B. See A
C. All of the Above

That would be the shit ... can you imagine  :drool:

Or what about Steven Tyler, I'm not saying Aerosmith is breaking up or anything. I've always really liked Tyler and I bet they would come up with some sick ass shit.

yes, interesting choice. i'm sure slash would love to work with him. great singer/performer, good songwriter.
could be exciting to see them together.

I think they were close to hiring Josh Todd-I remember him saying in a interview he thought they were making great music, things were going great, and Slash walked in one day and said he wasn't into it, or can't do it anymore.

like just explained to you, this is a forum dedicated to GNR, for which Axl is the singer.
if you have looked around in this forum, Axl have a tendency to pop up in any section, not just the GNR one. it's because this is a GNR forum above all, and their presence are valid in any section. blah.

on topic, Kid Rock..? fuck no! and Im incredibly happy that they decided against working with Josh Todd and Bach too. Bach is just not anywhere near being my favourite singer, he's funny and has a wide range, that's about it.
Todd, he sounds the same on just about everything he's done, and some of his lyrics are just ridiculously bad.

Edit: someone suggested the Ugly Kid Joe singer, I would have loved to see that! ;D

yeah, it would be really cool to hear some english rock injected into slash's and duff's music.

did they tried to approach robert plant for velvet revolver ?

imagine a line-up with Slash Duff & Robert Plant, ouch, even Axl would be impressed.

No.

The people mentioned at the time were: Sebastian Bach, Travis Meeks (Days of the New), Kelly Shaefer (Neurotica), Josh Todd (Buckcherry), A. Jay Popoff (Lit), Todd Kerns (The Age Of Electric, Static In Stereo) and Mike Patton.



/jarmo

bullshit, thats just you slashites excuse for pointing out everything wrong with Axl whenever someone says something you dont like about a member of VR.   Hiding behind Axl's (supposed) faults to defend your lil heros is stupid.

i thought they had Michael Matijevic to audition also?

nope, that's the absolute truth.
maybe if you woke up and smelled the coffee, you'd actually see this. ;D

now please tell me, what's the Finckites excuse for pointing out everything wrong with Slash every time someone says something you don't like about a GNR member? :beer:

Oh yeah, that name rings a bell....



/jarmo

yep i remember about mike patton & baz. don't know the others, except maybe buckcherry, i've listened a couple of songs and wasn't impressed at all.

mike patton was my first choice, but i understand he wasn't interested  :hihi:

Regarding the bringing of Axl into the topic I think the logic behind it was as follows:

The original concept of this thread is a "what would VR be like with another singer?" type thread.

Someone then posted words to the effect that what makes VR unsuccessful (to some) is Scott - the evidence presented for this was that a comparision of Slash + Duffs work in VR, is less cool (to some) than their work in GNR. The implication being the difference is that Scott could not get a good peformance out of them and Axl did. That is, it seems to be a theory that we can blame some members of the band for the overall performace of a whole group.

I believe the poster who then asked about Axl's post GNR work did so to demonstrate that the above theory does not hold correct.

If we did examine GNR using the same faulty logic...you could say that when working with the old band Axl released #1 records, and since working with Robin he has been (as yet) unable to do so. Now if we apply the logic used in regards to Slash and Scott to this equation, you could say that Robin is the reason that the new era of GNR has not been as successful as the old. Now I know thar Jarmo, Jim Bob and a host of others here would disagree violently with this. And THATS THE POINT - if its illogical in relation to GNR, then its also illogical in relation to VR.

And i think that was what the poster was trying to say - rather than simply being an Axl/Slash/VR/GNR debate troll for the hell of it.

For the record i'm not saying I agree with these views, i'm only posting it as it seemed to me thats what was being said and it was misunderstood.

I understood the comparison, but it has nothing to do with the topic.

The only reason Axl was mentioned was because it's more interesting to some here to talk shit about Axl than to admit that VR isn't "all that".


Nine times out of ten, Axl's name is brought in to validate something "bad" about VR.

Example:

Somebody:  I think their new album isn't anything special.
VR fan: At least they release albums unlike Axl.



It's like I said, should we discuss what Iggy Pop has done without Duff and Slash just because those two worked with him in 1990?

Hey, bring in Michael Jackson, Lenny Kravitz, Steve Jones and whoever else has ever worked with any of them.


It's not really the topic....

That was the point.



Personally I think Slash will try putting out a solo album after VR. He was already working on one before the band got started.





/jarmo

That's exactly the point. It's a very circular argument, and anyone that has drawn a circle before will know when you finish drawing a circle you get right back to the beginning and then you keep going and that gets you absolutely nowhere.

So, you wanna talk about Axl in the VR section?  :rofl:



/jarmo

this shit is destroyng the discussions..

take it to pm's or ban the fuckers who are destroying for the normal people :P or delete their posts, because nobody cares about what they are saying, put an end to it in some way please

Are you telling us how to run the site?   :rant:

 ;D





/jarmo

 :rofl:

i knew i would get that response :P

i suggest a referendum  ;D

No one can replace scott better than this guy.....
I'm so proud to be able to introduce this guy to scott fans.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7250051400283497787

simply the baddest, dirtiest, meanist this one is.

Now that was funny! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Actually, I did see some similarities...

On topic, I guess that if Weiland quits VR, the band will fall apart. The others will take a break for awhile and then I think they will all do solo projects. But as others say, it's also likely that in the end Duff and Slash will work together again (maybe with Matt). Dave will dissapear.

Guys, OH MY GOD, I am so sorry I started a stupid thread that caused this.

I don't want VR to break up. 

I don't love the song So Hott, but I think it demonstrates that if Kid wanted to Rock with VR, he could do it.  He has a decent vocal range (some say Weiland doesn't), and he is a good front man with no addictions that I know of.  However, I should have known this would be a bad topic.  I was just impressed with Kid, that's all. 

He seems like the type of guy Slash and Duff would hang out with, not just work with.  I could see a good vibe there.  He is a proven star that has been there.  It wouldn't be his first rodeo.  He doesn't seem to have an ego.  I think he would be down to do anything Slash or Duff wanted musically, and that is cool.  I think he could be a grittier, rawer, dirtier kind of singer than the one currently in the band.  I am not saying better, just different.  He would be him self, and that is what I would love the best.  As long as kid stayed in the rock vein is all I care about.  So sorry to all. 

I don't want VR to break up either.

But this thread is sorta fun. don't be sorry too much smokin


 :yes: Needless to say Iggy has done great without Duff and Slash.

How about Tori Amos as the new VR singer?

Matt: What's with the piano?

 ;)


I'm not sure, but I don't think she wants to do the same kind of music those guys are into?



/jarmo

But I bet her ass is nicer than Weilands.

I would say there would nto be a VR if Weiland decided to go back to STP full time. Who knows but it is interesting and cool to read that Duff has a new solo album in the works aswell.  Maybe it will get a US release this time around.

As for VR, i never thought we would get album number two to be honest so ill be happy with anything we get after Libertad. I do hope they release a live DVD, that is long overdue.

Am I crazy or did Slash or someone in VR throw out Courtney Love's name as a possibility when VR was getting started?  That probably would have been a recipe for disaster but could have been very interesting while it lasted.

talking about women, Linda Perry, the singer of 4 Non Blondes could be an interesting choice.

http://www.deezer.com/?urlIdSong=2235

i said it before in this thread but i'll say it again..



if VR would have a female singer, i'd love brody dalle :drool: :headbanger:

Surprised nobody has mentioned Izzy.  If Scott leaves, maybe they'll bring him back in, at least to work on the material they recorded with him before Scott joined.  Unlikely, I know, but anything's possible...

Ive always wanted Duff Matt and Slash to form a jam band.

Just structure out some instrumental, funky, rocky tunes.... like the bit where the drums, bass and guitar rock out a little on the UYI2 DVD after matts solo and before slashs. Also, that video clip of Slash Duff and Matt before VR started was cool as hell.

An album of material like that would be killer. Fair enough, it wouldnt change the world. but its rocking and fun and real, solid musicianship.

true, but most fans of those guys arent into jam bands.

Yeah i know, i meant actual songs... just with a looser feel. more lead parts highlighing the groove of each player. i just think it would be cool. but i dont care for singers much like other people... im just very picky vocal wise. there are far few decent vocalists out there at the moment. the best 3 are taken, and very busy.

Your not crazy.....I remember hearing that too and it would have been great!! Courtney may be a big bitch, but she's got alot of cool songs... her solo album is good too, some real sick hard rockers on it!  She sings with alot of emotion and writes great lyrics and riffs.  I'd welcome Courtney to VR anyday! Don't think VR would be too into that though!

Izzy would be a great fit...but he doesn't have the desire to tour and promote like the other guys.  When Duff, Slash and Matt were jamming before VR came to be, Izzy had suggested they go out and do a small tour with the songs they had written (which Slash says is some of the best stuff the group had ever written together...shame it hasn't been released yet) with Izzy and Duff singing.  Duff and Slash didn't like that idea and it never came to be.
Todd Kearns I have seen in concert before.  He tried out for VR...but I think he sounded "too much like Axl" during the audition.  At least that is what he told the audience...

I'm happy with Scott Weiland.

But if they choose to do another project (not Velvet Revolver, obviously) I'd love to see something with either Lemmy or Dave Grohl.

Nothing other than that? Well, some random guy/girl would work if they found someone who can do a proper job.

i would love to hear a back to their roots album, would be sick!

Didn't I also read somewhere that Scott came in and HATED that stuff they wrote with Izzy?  I think he compared it to Bad Company or somebody outdated like that.  I would be interested to hear the Izzy stuff, especially considering how unexcited I am about the songs Scott apparently likes.

yeah, i read that too : ok:

Yeah when Contraband came out Slash said in an interview that he thought then songs they had written with Izzy before Scott was in the picture were the best songs they had ever written together but in the rolling stone interview after Libertad came out Scott said something along the lines of "it sounded like a Bad version of bad company". I have a hard time believing this, seeing as how Izzy is an undeniably talented song writer. Not to mention the Deleos were responsible for writing almost all of the music in STP, especially the hits and Scott's solo album is complete garbage. I like Scott as a performer but I think he comes off as a prrick a lot of the time and this was probably one of them where he didn't want to use the songs for no other reason than Izzy helped write them.

From what I remember reading...he thought it sounded too much like old GnR.  My thoughts are the material was too good and didn't have his imprint on it.  I like VR as it is now...but I think I would have liked the incarnation with Izzy in it better.  Yeah the harmonies wouldn't be as polished as with Scott...but it would be a better product over all in the end. 

well that is just my opinion...

Not only did Slash say that, but he also said that the songs written with Izzy, had they had Axl's input on, they would've resulted in the best GN'R record ever.

I remember when Scott said that I asked someone in a thread about that interview a simple question, "How many songs have you heard that Izzy has written with Slash and Duff that you would classify as that bad?"  That says it all about the likelihood of Scott's opinion of the material being remotely close to what us GN'R fans would think of the material.

Gotta say that Scott is good frontman with a good voice, but he is just not in Izzy's league as a songwriter.

Ali

I think most everyone can agree with the impact and influence Izzy had on GnR and Axl's writing.  He is a great songwriter.  It would have been nice to see what he could have done with Duff and Slash again...but I doubt we ever will see that again.  And we can only hope that one day the material they recorded will be released...
I would even like to see Izzy try writing with Axl again.  Because man they came up with some good shit.

Bach or Izzy.

Now that would be cool. I cant even imagine a band with Duff, Slash and Dave Grohl together. That would rock, throw Taylor Hawkins in on drums and that would be one killer band.


I do see somewhere down the road, Duff, Izzy and Slash doing something. I think it would be cool to see them three get together and just let Duff and Izzy do vocals. Some of the Camp Freddy vidoes on Youtube are great, those three just have a good vibe when they all play together.

they would be much better if they ditched sorum and got someone with rhythm.

that's true sorum out......

well she mentioned hawkins : ok:

Couldn't agree more. Izzy probably is the best songwriter out of ANYONE who is in/has been in GNR in solo terms.

Weiland is a good rock singer. Nothing more nothing less. His lyric writing isn't the best but occasionally he hits the mark.