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-11.18.2006 Colisee Pepsi, Quebec City, QC,(Unknown) *2 DVD Set*
-12.17.2006 Gibson Amphitheatre, Universal City, CA,(Limulus) *2 DVD Set*

hey everyone

have these two sets sitting here, got some copies all ready to get shipped out, just looking for some shows of 'equal' value in return, or in certain circumstances stuff I do not currently have.

my lists at www.freewebs.com/cotis

if you want more information you can PM me and I can send you some information.

here's some for now

-12.17 is complete and EXCELLENT quality and authoring job
-11.18 is nearly complete, missing only a little part of 'The Blues' I believe, but also a good shot show
-2 dvd sets

just looking for some things I don't have in return or other 'rare' things. only a handful of people have these sets, so if you're interested, PM me!

 :beer: :beer:

i will post screenshots if everyone wants in the next day or two

Damn, these sound cool but I don't think I have anything "rare" to trade them with...

If you find anything on my list, let me know...

Christos

Dont have anything rare either. :( But if someone has a copy of these and would willing to trade for non-rare stuff,please PM me, thanks!!

I sent you a pm about a week back.  Get back to me either way.

doesnt have to be 'rare', can be stuff on my list I dont have! or new shows!

shoot me a PM

Sent you a PM : ok:

Damn, I'd do just about anything for the 17th show.  I'm pretty crap when it comes to boots, though.   :(

Need anything halloween related? I manage a halloween store...

I would love to get the Quebec City show, I was there and it was great. I don't have anything you would want though, only Boots I have are a couple from the old band and a couple from 2002.  I would be more then willing to pay for time/supplies.    Email me at outsidegroove@gmail.com  and maybe we can work something out.

yeah I dont have shite either, but I'd chip in some $$ for the 17th show to be torrented somewhere.

i dont sell shows, and don't plan on it. it'll be out in time people. some people have it, it's just going to take some time.

just looking for some things of equal value.

Trade for something other then bootlegs? Equal value is a bit tough here ya know. To me the value is one thing, to you I am sure its not the same.

'equal value' to me is a show that is unreleased or like very few people have it, like these. i know they're out there, the question is if people will part with them.

So your hoarding it?

no when u go pay out your ass fot the master of 1 of then u have all rights

hardly. like dave said, i paid a good amount to get it. theres people out there that have it, they can all do this if they want. i'm just looking to get something rewarding for my 'service'. there are other people out there with similar shows that are looking for the same deals. i'm just looking for those people.

hoarding? nope. thanks for playing : ok:

Holding it hostage then. So how is Joe Average Fan like myself supposed to get it? We can't buy a copy. We don't have UberRare crap to trade.  I am not a Ninja so I can't sneak into your house dodging lasers and steal the thing.  LOL   Just kinda sucks knowing there IS a copy out there but there is no way to get it cuz I ain't cool enough or whatever.

PS, you won't SELL a copy but you have no trouble BUYING the masters?? Do you see where that could look a bit odd?

the show or shows will be out soon
the way i put it was wrong but what i ment he paid great money for 1 of them so all he wants to do is like he said  get a few  equal value things out of it
i do not blame him trust me u guys will see it

Well, I guess I can wait, after all I am a GnR fan LOL   all I got is precious time..........

you need to relax

He payed for it, he says he's going to share it soon, but he wants to make some TRADES (have you ever wondered about the meaning of ''trading community''?) before doing it. I think that's absolutely normal, acceptable and reasonable.

Thanks for explaining it, estabanf.   :) Since I'm another one of the average joe type fans (though I DO want to try my hand at some point at this whole thing), I'll use just a little patience until it's shared. 

I haven't posted in a while but I cannot believe any of you guys are giving Cotis crap over this.  He has done nothing but benefit the trading and torrenting community and has always come through on his word.  I know the buying and selling of boots is a touchy subject but he has helped to liberate some shows that we all got to see/torrent/etc. in the past.  He has every right in the world to hold out for a bit to better his own collection if he can.  In the end it benefits everyone when more shows get circulated.

I see a few new names over in this section so guys please do not get bent out of shape over this, this is just how trading works.  ;)

That's what I was thinking too, Bandita.  It'll work out better for all of us if people like Cotis can get some other rare shows through this - even though I was confused at first, now I see how it works. 

Like it or not, it's his bootlegs, his rules.

But what you can't accuse him of is hoarding the damn show.

He's trading it. You just don't have anything to trade it with. Neither do I.

Do you see me crying? No. I know what patience means.

Don't expect everything to be torrented when you want it.

People will trade for it and when the time comes, you will get it.

Hey easy guys!  Not all of us spend our whole lives living on the board or following the world of GnR Bootlegs.  I wasn't even trying to get him to torrent the darn thing, I much prefer to just get my boots ready to use and not have to download em and then make em, call me lazy, but I am just too busy most times.


Now that said, I am sorry if I upset the apple cart or made Cotis mad, that wasn't my intent. Just a fan who went to some shows and was hoping to get copies to have memories later. Hell I STILL don't have the May 17 Hammerstien show cuz when that came out I put in my name and waited for my turn and lo and behold, never heard from anyone. One day I suppose I will find someone that will hook me up with a copy, hopefully without much fuss.

Pm me your full name and address and I'll send you a copy.

Thank you very much! : ok:

I totally agree. Once again my fellow greek is right on target.

I still have this sitting on my PC and can easily burn a copy and mail it up to VT since I am in NY, a bit closer.  Just PM me and let me know.

I got the Quebec show from the guy who filmed it, but the authoring was pretty crappy (no good menus or anything fancy), so I'll have to re-author it if I find time. I'm pretty busy these days but if it's not out in a little while, just let me know.

it will be, people just cant seem to get that. I've got these shows by trading some other 'good shows' for them, rare shows. I'm just looking to get something back...im sure you can understand?

if not, i dont really care, but its just how I feel.

Cotis could've kept these shows in the dark for years. I suggest you just wait and stop getting your panties in a bunch. Cotis isn't a hoarder. He just doesn't wanna pay $$$$$$ for something then release it for free. Offer something of similar "value" and you'll get it. Or wait a few weeks or months and you'll still get it.

No problem from me, I was just trying to help but if there's someone closer it would be better...

If he's fine with it then pm eachother...

yes everyone relax, cotis is far from a horder.

Now if you all want to find something horded, start digging for the boston show that is said to exist or the 3 cam NJ show from 06.

12-17 will be out in due time. When cotis says the word.  : ok:

exactly.

thanks for understanding guys.

No worries, I'm gonna have to re-author it for myself anyway so I thought I could share it with other fans if it's not out by the time I do this. If it is then that's perfect. In all honesty I didn't even have time to watch it entirely. My comment wasn't against you or anything.

okay, small misunderstanding!  : ok:

just posting in this to see if anyones still interested and stuff.

Quick question/whatever you wanna call it...

Isnt it kinda ironic,

how you say

" I want to trade x for a rare show as this one is so rare, but dont worry guys, a few people have it,
so It will be out in a torrent, soon, you will see the shows soon guys"

but 2 seconds later, you ask for a rare show that probably only 1-2 people might have (Take the vma rehearsals for example)...

So in other words, would anyone be willing to trade their rare stuff,
if all they would have to do, is hold on to it, wait a few weeks, wait until someone trades their rare shit,
then sit back, download the show your willing to trade?


btw... Why dont you just torrent it for everyone, and let everyone just share everything,
that way Theres none of this "I have more power then you, my name is God, now only the selected few that have something that is of higher value, can only communicate to me"

Lol, just kidding pulling ya chain,
anyways, good luck : ok:,

Enjoy watchin the show...

Cotis, is there any possibility to rip the audio of the Gibson dvd and make it available on mp3? I'm specially interested on Chinese Democracy..

Sorry for asking this and if it's not possible, I'll sure understand. :)

fuck you? : ok:

I'm looking for someone that wants to trade shows. If they want me to keep it NFT, like I have a couple shows of that nature, then I'll keep it to myself and 'hoard' it as some would say. I don't really care.

I'm willing to trade these two out, and hopefully liberate/trade a show that someone ELSE is wanting to release to the public. Kill two with one stone. If someone wants these shows and has a show they have for NFT, thats fine. I'll keep it like that.

To be honest, I could just very well not trade this? And when I get shows in the future I can just keep them for myself? Is that what you want?


Just cause you're jealous doesn't mean you have to try to ruin my trade  :yes:

I'll put 'Chinese Democracy' on later hopefully. depending on if I have time.

and another thing about this..

if I trade this to, Johnny R with a show, he'll trade it, and it'll get traded and traded.

so in essence, it would be 'liberated'. but until you have something to offer, don't ruin everyone else's opportunity.

he is right and end of story it is not hording if u wanna make a few deals u know all do it.
maybe he should not have put on here he had them then he would not be be bashed for tring to get a few nice things

come on now people god damn give him a break

Thanks man, take your time. :beer:

Cotis is not the only person around here that has stuff that has not been released and waiting for rare trade before they release, so give the guy a break. The guy has given several freebies to members here before and asked for nothing in return. So if he wants to get something rare for these thats his decision.

have more freebies I'm about to post too..

Unfortunately this is the only way to liberate other rare things that other people have.
If you would torrent a unreleased DVD for everyone, the people with rare DVDs would download and keep sitting on their own things.
I think the tapers and the ones who have authored a DVD should be able to release their stuff the way they want.
If they can liberate something else for the community, why not? As if we don't have enough GnR DVDs.

Cotis went through a lot of shit to get these DVDs, so anyone who thinks he's hoardning can go  :rant:

They'll eventually be released.

Just curious but what kind of shit did he go through to get them? I don't follow the game close enough to know all the players.

It can be a bit of a hassle to deal with the tapers of these shows.  Basically sometimes they want you to buy the masters or whatnot because they know when they sell the shows there is the chance they will get torrented and then they lose money on potential sales.  Not that I agree with it (the whole selling aspect) but it does take a bit of work to deal with these people to even get the shows out there in the 1st place.  Then there is the money issue.  It's totally determined by the taper what he is going to charge for his goods and the price can get pretty high if he doesn't want the show seriously circulated.

Take the Boston show for instance.  From what I have read, one person put up a whole lot of money to make sure he/she/it was the only (supposedly) known one to have a copy.  It's all really rather ridiculous, the hoarding thing. 

Like I said previously though, Cotis isn't doing that.  He does the same as any trader would, use what he has to try to better his own collection.  That is just the nature of trade.  If he was selling something I could see all the heat but all he is trying to do is collect.

well that's fair enough it's just that some people's intentions are to hold onto shows and use them as a bargaining tool to get rare shows and then keeping to themselves.

I apologise if you were doing this in order to liberate both that shows, the one you have and the show that you want to get.

Alright good luck I hope to see some bootlegs from 2006  :peace:

12.17.2006 Gibson Amphitheatre, Universal City, CA,(Limulus) *2 DVD Set*
i know that a bunch of people have this dvd, so im sure that one of us could torrent it, including myself. maybe i'll upload it over at gnrbootlegsforum.tk

I guess you missed the discussion, on waiting till a few more things are traded.  Anybody who can not wait for cotis to give the green light is clueless. Do you know how much money him and tb had to shell out to get this dvd, alot!!! Sure some people helped including me but that only accounted for 25% of it. They paid the rest and cotis paid the bulk of it.

His actions have liberated 4 shows already in the past year that I know of without giving it much thought.

When cotis says the word it will be torrented. 

yeah i didnt read through the entire thread. i have the dvds so its no skin off my ass.

Ok, one question: cotis simply wants to use these 2 DVDs to get some other shows which are also rare but are being hoarded out there, right? Then, after he accomplishes that, all shows (these two and the ones he gets in his trades) will be torrented freely, right? Wouldn't that make the hoarders angry, seeing their rare DVDs being shared freely, and just create more hassle? Maybe I'm seeing this the wrong way, please correct me if I'm wrong

BTW, I'm not giving cotis crap for trying to trade his DVDs for other rare shows :)

Yes and no, real horders will not trade because they know how this works, but traders will trade becasue that is what they do and enjoy, sometimes small rules are made to give the person time so they can make some other tardes also before the torrents begin. Normally if someone has something not traded much, when they decide to trade it, example to cotis, they probally have a few other trades they make at the same time so they get the best return on it, becasue they know once they trade it, it is freely open and will get torrented soon.? This is the game everyone plays.?

A horder is not dumb and reads the boards, they know not to touch this with a 10 foot pole, and this thread was not meant for those kinds of people anyhow. 

The horders have boston from 06 and have a 3 cam nj from 06.? Thats the stuff to be on the look out for.

Ok, let me see if I get this: it's basically a matter of getting pleasure from being one of the chosen few who have a given show for a while, is that it? At least that's how I see it.
For instance, let's say I have a rare show and I'm willing to trade it. I know that as soon as I trade it once or twice, it will get torrented, so ok, I'll try to get something which only very few people have and not just trade it for anything "common" or torrent it to everyone right from the start. But still, I know it will get torrented sooner or later. So what did I win by not releasing it to everyone from the start? For a while, I had a show which nobody else had and I was able to trade it for one or two shows which very few people have, and held on to those so I was also one of the chosen few who had them...

Sorry if this sounds confusing, I've been working a lot :P

Because you will get a few other DVDs that only a few people have. 99% of bootleg dvds will become common. It just takes time. It's like going through a cycle. You get a rare dvd, trade it for another rare dvd then your 1st rare dvd becomes common, etc.

Again, as I said, having a DVD which nobody or only a few people have must give the owner some strange kind of pleasure, but only for a while since the DVD ends up getting released to everyone (well, most of them do). And some people must be addicted to this crap since they take a very long time to trade out some rare DVDs (if they ever do), they just can't enough of the sick pleasure of being the only one who has the show, enjoying every minute of it all by himself while thinking "no one else in the world can see this, oh yeah baby, I'm the only one, right in your faces stupid bootleg collectors! duuuude, I'm soooo high right now, totally treeeepping on thiz DeeVeeDeeee man..."

Anyways, that's the best explanation I could come up with, but I mean no offense to anyone

it's a hobby.

some people like doing these things, I for one am one of them. there are many.

it's not as you put it for 95% of the trading community.

I don't get it all.

Weeks ago only the taper and maybe 2 or 3 others knew that the Universal City first night DVD exists at all, and nobody went nuts about it. Now that we know that it exists and that it will come out somewhere soon maybe, people start bashing around. It's pretty sick. Are we, the GnR fans, a bunch of people who can't hold still for some time? At least it seems so.

Give cotis and whoever is involved some time to do their stuff.


Maybe somebody is doing this indeed, maybe someone who wants to make out some money of it, either by selling or by forcing people to donate or whatever, but since cotis put up this offer, I don't think that he is trying to gather money by it.

I understand what cotis is doing, trying to get more cool DVDs which will eventually be shared, I'm not saying he's one of these types who spank the monkey while watching rare DVDs. I'm not bashing him, because I know that unfortunately that's the way it works with some people in order to get stuff.

Yeah, maybe making money out of the rare DVDs is what some people do and that would explain why they hold on to those DVDs for so long (although there are those who buy them and still don't share...), but some people are against selling but at the same time they don't wanna share freely either, so for those people the "getting pleasure from rare DVDs" stuff probably applies...

Here is an mp3 sample of 'Chinese Democracy' asked for by Voodoochild.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3D2WE3AY

Full audio of show, in FLAC, is available as well as DVD.

great, thanks for the MP3 and for the good news!  :beer:

PS: can any of the persons who downloaded the MP3 reupload it in any other server, for example rapidshare, Yousendit, mediafire, etc?

thanks in advance

Full audio of show, in FLAC, is available as well as DVD.

Any chance of getting a copy of the flac audio from you cotis or is that rare trade aslo.

I don't get all the bitching. here's an offer, take it or leave it. do you envy that you don't have this one or what? everytime people get offer like this, they start bitching. I really love this community >:(

I'll gladly upload it on mediafire.  :beer:

http://www.mediafire.com/?6fdydnxtwmv

Screenshots will be posted tonight.

As for the audio, I don't really trade audio, therefore looking for DVD's in return : ok:

thanks

Thanks cotis and Izzy_23! :)

I love this intro sounding different... Maybe it was the mix, maybe it was Dizzy/Pitman going nuts, I dunno.. Just love it. :)

Ever get around to taking those screenshots?  Also, how goes the effort to get something good for trades?

Screenshots for 12.17

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Cotis, could you post some screenshots from the Quebec DVD, please.

i do not think he will do that

why wouldn't I do that?

Amazing screenshots, looks like a killer dvd. Thanks man!

Some screenshots of Quebec would be great Cotis, if thats OK with Timebomb. ???

Yeah, the screens look amazing!

the dvd is fantastic i actually just watched it the other night again.

audio of 12-17 is on DIME and the tracker.