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Title: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: freedom78 on September 25, 2007, 12:17:04 PM
High court to mull legality of lethal injections
Kentucky cases could affect how inmates are executed across U.S.


WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Tuesday agreed to consider the constitutionality of lethal injections in a case that could affect the way inmates are executed around the country.

The high court will hear a challenge from two inmates on death row in Kentucky ? Ralph Baze and Thomas Clyde Bowling Jr. ? who sued Kentucky in 2004, claiming lethal injection amounts to cruel and unusual punishment.

Baze has been scheduled for execution Tuesday night, but the Kentucky Supreme Court halted the proceedings earlier this month.

The court has previously made it easier for death row inmates to contest the lethal injections used across the country for executions.

But until Tuesday, the justices had never agreed to consider the fundamental question of whether the mix of drugs used in Kentucky and elsewhere violates the Eighth Amendment?s ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

Baze and Bowling say the procedure inflicts unnecessary pain and suffering on the inmate.

2004 lawsuit
The two inmates sued in 2004 and a trial was held the following spring. A state judge upheld the use of lethal injection and the Kentucky Supreme Court affirmed that decision. The appeal taken up Tuesday stems from that decision.

?This is probably one of the most important cases in decades as it relates to the death penalty,? said David Barron, the public defender who represents Baze and Bowling.

U.S. District Judge Aleta Trauger ruled last week that the Tennessee?s method of lethal injection is unconstitutional and ordered the state not to execute a death row inmate. The state is still deciding whether to appeal the judge?s ruling, but agreed to stop a pending execution.


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: norway on September 25, 2007, 01:17:10 PM
the procedure inflicts unnecessary pain and suffering on the inmate.
KIlling a human being is never defended, peridod. It isn't humane ways to take someone's life with force.?
Sad countries as Irak and USA still practises death penalty.


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: Izzy on September 25, 2007, 01:22:36 PM
lol - cant wait for the Supreme Court to rule that lethal injection is a HUMANE punishment!

They should end the death penalty now, any judgement in favour of the death penalty makes them accesories to murder


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: freedom78 on September 25, 2007, 01:28:26 PM
The death penalty in this country is slowly fading away.  Illinois and Florida placed voluntary moratoriums on capital punishment in the last few years, and other states have done so at the direction of their judiciaries.  Of course, Bush still wants to execute retarded children, so who knows.


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: fuckin crazy on September 25, 2007, 04:37:37 PM
Thomas Clyde Bowling walked up to a car at 06:00 one morning just before daylight; sitting inside were a young man, his wife, and their young child. They were just about to open their family's Dry-Cleaning business for the day. He was seeking revenge for his and his family's arrest for drug crimes after his family's activity was reported to police. He then proceeded to open fire killing the man and his wife, and shot their two year old son. Ed and Tina Early died that day. Their two year old son recovered. Generally, I'm against capital punishment, but if anyone desevered it, it is this contemptable piece of shit.


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: polluxlm on September 25, 2007, 04:43:34 PM
Capitol punishment is irreversible. That's reason enough it shouldn't be allowed.


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: The Dog on September 25, 2007, 04:53:00 PM
Capitol punishment is irreversible. That's reason enough it shouldn't be allowed.

um, so is muder.

anyone that takes a life doesn't deserve to have their own. 



Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: polluxlm on September 25, 2007, 05:05:25 PM
Capitol punishment is irreversible. That's reason enough it shouldn't be allowed.

um, so is muder.

And you want to commit another one without being sure the person is guilty?

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anyone that takes a life doesn't deserve to have their own. 

So....that makes for one hell of a list I'd say. The whole administrations in all the worlds countries for starters.



Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: freedom78 on September 25, 2007, 05:52:28 PM
For me it isn't a question of what someone "deserves."  Murderers are bad people.  Duh. 

I'm just against a state killing its people.  Slippery slope, and all that.


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: GNRreunioneventually on September 25, 2007, 06:26:53 PM
i say fuck all those expensive poisons and bring back ol' sparky............ watch'em twitch

:peace:


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on September 25, 2007, 06:37:44 PM
I think lethal injection is more humane than 'Ol Sparky. When our pets become too old and feeble to go on we give them a lethal injection.

If we decide to eliminate the death penalty, we will have to build more prisons that no one wants next to their house with taxpayer money or let certain criminals out early because of overcrowding. There is no easy answer, you can't just do away with the death penalty without planning for it.


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: The Dog on September 25, 2007, 07:03:37 PM
Capitol punishment is irreversible. That's reason enough it shouldn't be allowed.

um, so is muder.

And you want to commit another one without being sure the person is guilty?

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anyone that takes a life doesn't deserve to have their own. 

So....that makes for one hell of a list I'd say. The whole administrations in all the worlds countries for starters.



its a fine line, but there is a distinction between killing and murder.  Killing in a time of war (even a made up bullshit one) is different than a rape/kidnap/torture/murder.


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: freedom78 on September 25, 2007, 07:52:54 PM
If we decide to eliminate the death penalty, we will have to build more prisons that no one wants next to their house with taxpayer money or let certain criminals out early because of overcrowding. There is no easy answer, you can't just do away with the death penalty without planning for it.

Yeah...thank God that no one gets released early now, what with the death penalty and all.   :rofl:

There were 53 executions in 2006, and there have been about 1100 since it was reinstated in 1976.  Compared to the number of incarcerated individuals, that's literally about as inconsequential as you can get.  Death row inmates have almost nothing to do with prison overcrowding, and executions do almost nothing to ease the problem (in fact, you might be able to argue that they do, in fact, do nothing, as death row inmates are kept separate in many prisons, and an execution doesn't mean a free cell for Bob the petty thief).


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: Lisa on September 25, 2007, 10:50:52 PM
If you knowingly and willingly take another life,however malicious , you should be prepared to lose your own in return...not saying it is a perfect system or world but don't you think that even the most sordid and evil of people are basically selfish and given the choice of life or death that they would choose life? therefore it could be the most basic of deterrent? The amount of tax dollars going to house these dispicable characters is astronomical...but I suppose the argument will always continue, two wrongs do not make a right.. :-\


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: norway on September 26, 2007, 06:00:41 AM
If you knowingly and willingly take another life,however malicious
Like you seem to support now... ::)

Killing people is wrong, only people that should sterilise themself supports murder.
hope to see the cruelty ends :peace:


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: Lisa on September 26, 2007, 05:25:07 PM
If you knowingly and willingly take another life,however malicious
Like you seem to support now... ::)

Killing people is wrong, only people that should sterilise themself supports murder.
hope to see the cruelty ends :peace:
as to you quoting me, I haven't a clue what you are trying to say...in fact, do you know me well enough personally to make any assumptions regarding what I believe? and for the record, I am for Capital Punishment,always have been, always will.Clear enough?


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: Booker Floyd on September 26, 2007, 06:05:05 PM
For me it isn't a question of what someone "deserves."  Murderers are bad people.  Duh. 

I'm just against a state killing its people.  Slippery slope, and all that.

Indeed.


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: Booker Floyd on September 26, 2007, 06:06:30 PM
Killing in a time of war (even a made up bullshit one) is different than a rape/kidnap/torture/murder.

Why?  Because it is self-defense?


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: polluxlm on September 27, 2007, 06:48:19 AM
its a fine line, but there is a distinction between killing and murder.  Killing in a time of war (even a made up bullshit one) is different than a rape/kidnap/torture/murder.

Only in our minds.


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: norway on September 27, 2007, 08:57:10 AM
If you knowingly and willingly take another life,however malicious
Like you seem to support now... ::)

Killing people is wrong, only people that should sterilise themself supports murder.
hope to see the cruelty ends :peace:
as to you quoting me, I haven't a clue what you are trying to say...?
People that supports murder, death penalty, killing other human beings are evil, bloodhungry, dispicable scum that should never have children.
Clear enough? :P

Sad to see counties still practises this, they're all the same shit that stoned the 19 YO irakish girl do death. :-\


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: Lisa on September 27, 2007, 08:29:07 PM
If you knowingly and willingly take another life,however malicious
Like you seem to support now... ::)

Killing people is wrong, only people that should sterilise themself supports murder.
hope to see the cruelty ends :peace:
as to you quoting me, I haven't a clue what you are trying to say...?
People that supports murder, death penalty, killing other human beings are evil, bloodhungry, dispicable scum that should never have children.
Clear enough? :P

Sad to see counties still practises this, they're all the same shit that stoned the 19 YO irakish girl do death. :-\
you have your opinion and I have mine..clearly they differ greatly. I do not support muder of innocent people, I support the death penalty, the consequences that one murdering piece of shit that must be made to pay for raping/torturing and killing innocent people in cold blood.....especially the ones who prey on children. Do you actually think these type of people can be rehabilitated? do you enjoy your tax dollars going to support their cushy lifestyle in prison? their books and TV and three square meals a day while millions more deserving go hungry? Do you support overcrowding of the prison system too? or early parole for pedophiles? give your head a shake my friend and step into the real world. As for the girl that was stoned to death, was that not religious persecution? Is it not in their Koran or" their bible" that the male head of the family can punish as he see fits? including death for bringing dishonour to their family? two totally different issues and as far as I am concerned, the later is totally wrong and brutal.Would you be able to forgive and support a system to incarcerate a person who brutally beat,raped or tortured and finally killed a close family member? a child of yours or family memebers? I am not saying it is right but it is just.BTW, I have two kids and I do not impress upon them my convictions,they can make these decisions based on their beliefs when they are older.


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: norway on September 28, 2007, 08:55:42 AM
Those who supports murder and this cruelty are all the same subhumans, nothing diferent about them and those who supports the stonings.
Most healthy people distance themself from it. :peace:

It's just as bad paying for welfare goods to this kind of murderous "people" as to junkies, retarded people, parasites and criminals.
I have two kids and I do not impress upon them my convictions,they can make these decisions based on their beliefs when they are older.
Didn't claim you were. Just these patethics really shouldn't make more of their kind, thats all.
Most people wan't quality, it's gonna be horrible when cruel, murderous lynch-minds grow up and define society. :P


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: fuckin crazy on September 28, 2007, 11:36:43 AM
Those who supports murder and this cruelty are all the same subhumans, nothing diferent about them and those who supports the stonings.
Most healthy people distance themself from it. :peace:

It's just as bad paying for welfare goods to this kind of murderous "people" as to junkies, retarded people, parasites and criminals.
I have two kids and I do not impress upon them my convictions,they can make these decisions based on their beliefs when they are older.
Didn't claim you were. Just these patethics really shouldn't make more of their kind, thats all.
Most people wan't quality, it's gonna be horrible when cruel, murderous lynch-minds grow up and define society. :P

Dude, your all over the place with that one. Take a breath ... think ... take another breath ... then post.

I have a lot mixed feelings on this one. I agree, like a former poster wrote, that a State killing it's citizens is antithetical to it's purpose. However, too, I can see Lisa's arguments.


Title: Re: Supreme Court to Weigh in On Lethal Injection
Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on September 28, 2007, 06:20:46 PM
You know whats funny is right before they stick the needle in for the lethal injection they swap the arm with alcohol. Wouldn't want someone to go to hell and have an infection!  :hihi: