Here Today... Gone To Hell!

This is from an article from timesunion.com, website for albany times union in New York that came out Sept. 20, 2007.
Bach says he sings on a GNR song called "Sorry"

LINK: http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=623466&category=ARTS&newsdate=9/20/2007

By  GREG HAYMES, Staff writer
Albany Times Union

 "The album is finished, and it (expletive deleted) rocks, let me tell ya. It's just awesome. The songs are (same expletive deleted) great, and I can't wait for you to hear it."

Former Skid Row singer Sebastian Bach is on the phone raving about his upcoming solo album, "Angel Down," his first since his solo debut in 1999 with "Bring 'Em Bach Alive."

But Bach -- who rolls into the Altamont Fairgrounds on Saturday as the headbanging headliner for the daylong Edgefest -- isn't just raving about his own work. He's also raving about a special guest who appears on the album. Of course, it's not just any special guest -- it's Guns 'N Roses frontman Axl Rose.

"I can't (same one as above deleted) believe it. I just can't (again) believe that Axl (ditto) Rose is singing on my record. Not just one song, either. He's singing on three songs, dude. He's the best. He's just the best.

"The thing about Axl is that he's a (and again) genius. I've heard 'Chinese Democracy' " -- the long overdue Guns 'N Roses comeback album -- "and it rocks, dude. In fact, I sing on one of the songs, 'Sorry.' He's so prolific, dude, that he's recorded enough material for at least three albums, and it's all (encore) awesome. It has the rawness and the power of 'Appetite For Destruction,' but it also has the grandiosity of 'November Rain.' It's just (if he keeps saying it, we'll keep deleting it) awesome."

Thanks man.  It's that last comment describing the music that I find most intriguing.

Ali

thanks!  He said he sang on "Sorry" before ,lets cross our fingers hopping to hear news from GnR soon  :peace:

This is old news... can a mod merge this with one of the many topics that already contains this info?

Sebastian is the only person of the GNR camp that sounds optimistic about the future.

He already said he sings in ''Sorry'' and the ''stuff for three albums'' thing was said before also.

But anyway it was a great read. Thanks for posting  : ok:

I like this part the best: "It has the rawness and the power of 'Appetite For Destruction,' but it also has the grandiosity of 'November Rain"

that bolded part especially puts a smile on my face..

Bach is the only one who dares to say anything about Chinese Democracy (the album). It's a good thing he's around!

I can feel that rawness and that power in ''Chinese Democracy'' and in some parts of ''Better''.

No need to say that songs like ''The Blues'', ''Madagasacar'' and specially ''TWAT'' have the kind of grandiosity of ''November Rain''

Anyway, I'm not expecting the album to sound like any of those old albums. I want Guns N' Roses to do something new, to surprise me, to sound fresh. I have had enough of flat bands, bands that try to emulate the sound of the past glorious times and fail miserably.

I don't say i can't hear that "raw-part" in CD and better, but most songs that we've heard yet has been more to the NR-direction then the AFD/rocker direction.. and i'm glad we'll get some more fucking rockers :yes:  ;)

Chinese Democracy fucking rocks.....its fantastic but doesnt come close to Catcher In The Rye or TWAT.


I'm new here so if i've mentioned anything i shouldn't then i apologise.

Baz is making buzz about his album thanks to Axl participation... Great opportunity for him  : ok: But sad as same time

gagging order, stupidity, meglomania.....pick one, although think all three are the reason...

if he keeps sayin it, we'll keep deletin it...now where have i heard that before! hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! ahem. sorry. only jokin!  :hihi: :peace: : ok: :beer:

Stupidity on your part?


It makes perfect sense for the band members not to talk about things that aren't set in stone.





/jarmo

Good News i would think Comeing From Bach!!!


Peace

I've developed "Pavlovs reflex" to "chinese democracy" over the years.
every time I hear any of the members/band friends mention it, I get a little bit more enthused.
to bad nobody but Bach mentions it anymore. Even Ron calls it "the album" most of the times :(

not on my part no..... :confused:

on whoever order this gagging of band members.....

no one in the band is allowed to fart without permision from a higher place it would seem.

im not asking for any info should say, like a release date, or anything "set in stone" as you say.

but something like, "on the next tour...", or "after the record is out....." or "me an axl had a blast doing....." would be nice.

none of this ever happens!!!!1

it seems that talk of anything where axl is involved is completely taboo for everyone. the only person who is allowed to wildly speculate is Axl.

yet he gaggs the rest in case they get fans hopes up, or start a rumour inadvertantly, when in truth he is the worst for it.


talk about pot calling the kettle black

You don't even have any idea what you're talking about.

Do you?

You just assume things.



Speculate, assume, twist words around and whine.

Add that under "hobbies" in your CV.



"On the next tour"..... Only problem is, we don't even have an announced tour to look forward to.

GN'R never was about giving updates for the sake of giving updates.


When there's some real news, we'll hear about it.




Baz is talking because he's excited about his album and working with Axl.





/jarmo

Yeah, they will give news when there is news.  Bach is excited about singing with Axl.  Can't you understand this?  He speaks about it because he is EXCITED.  He is singing.  Singing with Axl.  He is engaging in melodic song with Mr. Rose.  And the silence is apart of all this.  It is more complex than we know. 


If I just type about a thousand more messages like these - I'll be right backstange with Jarmy boy next tour.  We will be arm-and-arm, me and Jarmo!  You and I will sing together, like Sebastian and Axl (only new GNR songs of course!)  : ok: :peace:

Why do you think I want to go "backstange" with you on the next Gary Glitter tour in Philadelphia?

Sorry, not interested on going on a date with you.

You silly cheese steak eating sailor you!





/jarmo

lol? :hihi:

LO Even Louder!

this is just madness!

i make one statement about it being a shame the band members cant mention things and in turns into the same shit as usual.

i should have expected as much.


im not asking them top clarify a tour! im just ask that they talk about the future.

my band doesn't have any gigs at the moment, but the singer and me were talking about mixing the set up a bit and doing a few more covers, and we can say that without commiting to anything.

so yes ron could ssay something like, "on the next guns tout i'd love to play in XXX country" or something like that.

my point is they dont even really like talking about guns n roses, whcih is a shame. coz they're great

 ( i hope we can agree on that at least!)

Yup and I'm the sensitive one. Anytime anything remotely like something you said is posted thats what happens and its sad. I know Axl has orders on what they can and cannot talk about so thats def' something , which leads me to my question How come Bach is talking about upcoming songs and such? Not that its a bad thing I just thought they ( or Axl ) had like those gag orders or something I forget what they are called?

Wait a minute. Maybe in your mind it makes a lot of sense to talk and talk about things that might not even happen so you can get bashed by a bunch people who think they know you and what you "really" meant when you said that?




Are you in Guns N' Roses?

You must be since you know so damn well how everything works in that band.




So you want the usual "I love (insert country) and want to play there!" bullshit?

Just because GN'R haven't played in India doesn't mean they wouldn't love to play there.


You just want them to speak about nothing at all for ages and ages so you'll have something new to pick apart and whine about.




/jarmo

Yea kind of like what people do to Slash and how is "blatantly" lying and can't keep a story straight.  :beer: Maybe it is good to keep their mouths shut hahaha but seriously Jarmo , does Bach have one of those orders I remember hearing it was anyone who worked on CD had to kinda keep it on the down low for the most part. So bach saying this stuff is a pretty cool deal.

^^^^^

they are already doing that.

and no im not one of those people who picks apart what people say. its not my bag at all, and i hate it when that happens here.

besides how can you pick apart what someone doesn't say?

all im saying is its a shame they can't say more.....whatwever the cause.

(but we both know what the cause is-its like fight club..."the first rule of fight club is......"

LOL :rofl:

me too dude : ok: but him actually saying the same thing in two interviews imo is a good thing cause if Axl didn't like him saying something about him being on Sorry the first time, Axl would have called him and said "hey man don't do that" ya know.

i'm just grinnin' from ear to ear ;D


:peace:

How about: If they talk about everything regarding the album now, when there's no release date, there won't be any surprises left?


You want information about it, but then you also want to be surprised.

You can't have both.


Seems like these days people have to know everything about everybody and at the instant it happens.





/jarmo

i like surprises!

i would just like some reassurance that the wheels are still in motion! thats all.

anyhow, im gonna stop posting, its clear there is no middle ground here, and the thread has went way off topic enough already!

 :beer:

Davie, why would you think that the wheels aren't in motion?

From Axl's letter:
"Once it is finalized and official, you will be notified. If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date, and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible."

Sure, the wait is arduous, but I'd rather wait and have the highest quality content rather than have the album be poorly promoted, marketed, etc. I'm a huge believer of the album and as a fan of course I want it, but I also want it to succeed.

The band is taking their time and there's nothing wrong with that. We'll just have to wait a little bit longer. That's what we do as fans.

Did somebody tell you they weren't?  ???



/jarmo

Does anyone find these parthnership a little weird considering Bach didn't make the cut of the Slash, Duff, and Matt project?

No. They were friends long before any of that, and I still don't see what difference it makes.

How can anyone who hasnt released in album in 16 years be called "Prolific"? :hihi:

hey, middle ground? what the hell are you on about?! there is no such thing! repeat after me - i am either with you or against you!  :rofl:

I think brian wilson is prolific and he took a long break.

U guys are mixing up what PROLIFIC Means.


Prolific means producing lots of high quality material in relative short time spans.



2 artists who have always been labeled as prolific are Prince and Frank Zappa.

Guys who came out with a Great album every year, sometimes 2 in one year.


Prolific means releasing a high volume of material.

well, before i begin, i know that march 6th was tentative.

i dont need the dictionary definition of tentative...........i know what it means.

i think that most people would concede though, that if Axl said tentatively march 6th, then the *whisper* album could be released in perhaps the summer. this way axl gives himself at least 3 or 4 months to play with.

the tentative date came and went. then a tour was arranged, and everyone thought.... great news! me included.

its over 6 months since the tentative date came and went. I am only speculating, but if axl thought it was possible that the album could be released by that date, surely it could definetly be released 6 months after that date??

if that situation has changed for whatever reason, then axl said he would inform fans.

That hasn't happened.



the album was said to be "finished" interms of recording, only mixing needed to be done. the question is why wait all this time??

the next questions is, why tour when the priority apparently was getting the album done, there were dates cancelled early this year to finish the album?

further question, if there is a problem or plans change or a new release date is decided the fans would be told via gunsnroses.com........this hasn't happned. is there a reason why the band can't say if there has been a delay?

do the band themselves even believe there is a delay? do they think everythingis going to plan? if so, what is that plan? weren't we told that we would be informed of changes to said plan?


im not bitching, im not whining, im just saying that i think the wheels have slowed down to a crawl all of a sudden when everything looked so good early this year.

We will not see a Guns N Roses album called Chinese Democracy ever for sale.? I am not complaining, I love the new material, I think its better then anything that is being played today.? In 2002 Axl said we'll see it, but soon is not the word, the band toured and it failed.? In 2006 Axl said this is the year definitely, they toured the world.? Chinese Democracy is an illusion, does that mean the band cant tour? No, Does that mean we cant enjoy GNR live? No.? It means we wont have an official Chinese Democracy album, but Guns N Roses.? We may have more leaks perhaps Sorry since Bach talks about it all the time, we may have new songs live, but I think Chinese Democracy will always be referred to as "soon to be release", and "forthcoming", with nothing concrete.? It is used to keep borderline fans involved.? I don't need Chinese Democracy to accept the new band as real GNR players, but that's what most people need to fully accept them.

Oh Yea! Another song (Sorry) that will never be released.
Whoo Hoo, lets talk more about stuff Axl will never put out.

Leave. Right. Now.


Another poster we won't have to put up with if this shit keeps up.



/jarmo

Nice Attitude

No disrespect to Jarmo, but you have to expect that here. These guys (the site leadership) have made it clear that they want this space used to talk about things in a positive manner. They don't want it used to beat the same old subjects or wisecracks to death time and again.

If you really wanna do that there are PLENTY of GNR forums out there that allow it and some even encourage it. Why not just go there ya know?

If you don't think it's gonna come out. Fine. Your problem.

We don't need you around here telling us that.

Go somewhere else.



How's that for a fucking attitude?




/jarmo

Pretty shitty.......actually.
this sounds like a man on the defencive. I just stated what I thought. nothing more!
I would LOVE to hear these songs more than you can imagine. But it just seems very unlikely. Why talk about things that may never be released? Axl hasn't ever really given? us much hope, except to say "soon" or "tenative".

Once this album comes out, i'm sure you will hear nothing but happy people here!
INCLUDING MYSELF!

But until then, expect some doubtful people wondering around these parts.

More like offensive.

Full on attack on the sad whiny bastards who don't have anything positive to contribute.



/jarmo

No worries Jarmo!

Battle orders received loud and clear!  : ok:

this is old news,but i lost my faith in new album.

 :rofl: Good one!

Axl "Ditto" Rose....he should really add that to his name, sounds bitchin! :hihi:

There are people that think the album will never come out, I am one of them, but what I dont understand is, why do certain people have to be negative about it?  Why do people need to be negative what Bach or Axl talks about the album?  My attitude is go see them live, because thats all you can control !!! We can't worry about an album that isnt scheduled for release.

you have no life  :yes:

You tell him Jarmo!  These negative people have to go.  We WILL hear music when it is ready.  Isn't that what this all about anyway?  The music?  The answer is YES!  These posters aren't in the band.  They don't know it is not coming out.  If Chinese Democracy comes out when I am 50, I will listen when I am 50.  Axl doesn't owe, me or Jarmo anything!  We are just two friends that dig Guns N' Roses!!!!!

Fuck off.  : ok:




/jarmo

This "axl doesn't owe me anything" BS is getting as old as hearing about this album that we never see. No shit he doen's owe you anything! All people want is the MINIMUM expections from this band. EVERY other band can at least talk about an album that is or is not in production but this band cant? Please, at the end of the day, it is just an album, nothing more. It is not going to change the world or end hunger, not going to make my or your life any better. I really dont want or care if Axl gets into specifics, but he can at least give us something. Did you guys read the last bumblefoot interview? there is a part in there we he says something like people should not sit and wait or wish for things that may not happen? Ever since the real band broke up, we keep hearing about this vision that axl had? To this day, the vision is new guys playing old music that is not even theirs? ANYONE on these boards that cant at least admit that the way things are handled with this band is frustrating to the fan who is on the outside looking in, is nothing more than an Axl fanboy. There are people on this board that will never put anything negative in print, but if they have a quarter of a brain, than they know and think the same as the rest of us do! It is our love for the band that keeps us coming back, keeps us going to the shows, and it is this same love for the band that wants Axl to stop wasting his fucking time and get some new material out!!!!!

Damm, that was quite stirring....

So, just because a bunch of other people do something, you think GN'R should do it too?
Well gee, that's just swell.  I mean the fact it's not your band and the running of it has nothing to do wih you means nothing, right?
Just tell someone you don't know how to run their life.

amen.

most peole love the new band and fully support them, but it is becoming like a cult here, with blind faith and just a failure to acknowledge certain things.................

You'd better start listing "those certain things" you refer to...........

That's all? .... ::)
It 's cool that JARMO want this board to stay positive.. absoultely!!! ?But when certain members of this forum want to talk about the "negativity" that is clearly surrounding the subject CHINESE DEMOCRACY than ?this space should be given too!!!
A lot of the times when i read this forum i feel like adding negative comments but i keep my thoughts for myself because posts get deleted or i am told to fuck off or whatever.. fair enough.... We don't need constant bashing!! That wouldn't help .
But for fucking gods sake : To say negaitive comments do not belong here is way too harsh. No wait It is censorship!
I am around for a long time and we all know that something in the world of GNR is well at least a little weird.
We should be allowed to talk about this and i don't mean to feed rumors or something

Why come here to spread your negativity in the first place. You people are such a drag!

Word is that there is no negativity about this album whatsoever.......it's ALL good.........get used to the idea.

with negativity i meant that ther is clearly a well kept reason why the album was not released yet. That is creating a negative buzz. That is what i wanted to say sweetie .. ;)

There is a place to put negative thoughts regarding the album:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=48560.0

What people fail to understand is that every fucking thread tend to turn on a bash fest about the no-news. It's tiring to hear people complaining to death about something we all know and that we can not do anything about it.

When you rather complain about some topic in every single thread, I think it's only logical to avoid this pattern to make the board as clean and on-topic as possible.

Could it be that there was a lawsuit filed last year involving certain ex-members?

We know about that one.

Could it be that songs were leaked?

We know about that one.



Next.

WHat is negativity? If you have a favorite sports team and you constructively critique the way they play or the way the manager runs the team or the way the gmr puts the team together are you not a fan? Are you just a negative whiner in that case?

In the real world ...in the sports world...in any world people are and should be allowed to critique there passion if need be.

You sound like a baby You really do. A lot of people around here want to percieve everything to be smooth around here. Well guess what its not. We cant discuss those things because its percieved as negative. So I give up. They win. Everything is great...no problems whatsoever. Cant wait for another "the way robin plays scom" thread

Yea we have always heard positive things about the album. The proof is in my cd player right now. But what does that mean? Most people here already believe in the music. If you dont, then you would be correct in saying..why are you here?

But its incorrect to say that if people are questioning this whole process then they are negative whiners. AFterall its almost 14 yrs of silence and 14 yrs of pain...stop being a cheerleader and start being a fan

exactly my opinion!! I don't want to come here and spread negativity or something. I'd like to discuss things in a free and open way. Nothing more & nothing less.
Being a fan is more than being positive all over the place . It is also about being "awake" and open for different arguments

You're the kind of fan who only supports a team when they're winning.

When they don't, you like to whine and moan. Then when they start winning you act like "I always knew they could do it!".


When the team doesn't win, you have the all the answers to why. When they do win, it's because you knew they were that great.

No matter what, you'll always be right. Must be great.

No go play in the Dead Horse section you whiny bastards.





I really don't need you polluting this section with garbage about something you really don't know anything about.


Stop acting like you're working for the record company or you're a manager. Start being a fan that actually believes in the band.

If that seems too difficult to deal with: (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/Themes/default/images/english/logout.gif)


I can't believe you sad fucks had to ruin a thread about Baz being excited. It's good news, but no, you just had to ruin it. Way to go.




/jarmo