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Question:

my post in the thread about BBF interview was deleted and I really do not understand why.

==> I said it was a nice interview but that the last part was a bit of a dissapointment as BBF said: 'I think whatever is going to happen is meant to happen, and you can?t spend time wishing for something else, when it?s not possible'

My thought about that sentence is only that I believe this is the same as saying: CD is not comming...ever. I moved on a long time ago, but as I'm still a GNR fan, I find it a pitty that I believe CD is never comming and this sentenence is a confirmation for me....

==> So, why is the above thought deleted in that thread?
I think I was still on topic and shared my thought on a quote in the interview.

I don't think I realy said anything negative???

And..anyhow, if I did? Don't I have a right to have an opinion even if its not the same as yours? Isn't a board/forum about sharing thoughts? Where is the sharing if the thoughts must collapse with the admins? Get in the ring?

Deleting messages gets me thinking about the 'freedom of speech' and quality af this board >> I'm probably not the only, or first person which posts are deleted, so this board isn't giving a 'real' feeling of gn'r fans

Thanks for any enlightment.

Since you've been a member of this board for little over a year you should know by now that freedom of speach does not exist here ;)...

Freedom of speech doesn't necessarily mean that people can go around saying inappropriate things!

Imagine exiting a church, for example, only to have a Satanist on a soapbox standing outside. That wouldn't be manners now, would it?

If people want the privilege of Freedom of Speech one must earn it and then know how to use the privilege with discretion and valour.

See, that was good use of Freedom of Speech.... :P

Because we don't need your doomsday posts to ruin the thread and make it about "oh no, it's not coming out".




/jarmo

I'm an atheist, so don't botter me with this shit  ;)

Anyhow, you are accusing me of not using the privilege with discression and valour >> which is based on?

Really, I was satisfied with Jarmo's first reply: there is no freedom of speach here...yeah, I should have known.  ;)

hehehe.......no harbingering of doom and gloom ok!

what is "inappropriate" about what the guy said??

it's his opinion, therfore its valid. if he started laying in to Ron for nothing, then delete away.

i personally dont agree with the guys opinion. i think the album will come out...........................eventually.

but i'm not offended by his post in any way

 :no:

Ever been to "the jungle" section? :hihi:

you say freedom of speech but in most case, it ends up being personal insults. Who da fuck cares if you get laid or not.
Is it the label of GNR fans? Nope most of them don't post.

It's only natural that posts that belong to the frustration thread should get deleted and replies to them also get deleted.

 :hihi: what frustration thread, that was also deleted, you should know by now that critisicm isn't allowed on these boards it's pathetic really...

 :hihi: What's really pathetic, is liars and people like you, who hang around here day after day saying it's pathetic.

Maybe a guy with the words Slash and Snakepit in his e-mail address might not be the right person to judge what's pathetic.



/jarmo

In some parts of the world, freedom of speech might be a priviledge, but that is not freedom is it? Where I live, it is a right.

Day after day? please show me in which posts I'm saying it's pathetic besides ^^that one, being critical towards one's favourite band can be a good thing Jarmo...

As for the rest of your post....Well lets just say I'm not one to resort to personal attacks...

Of course not.

I'm talking from personal experience.

Slash's Snakepit fans aren't always the right people to judge if a site dedicated to GN'R, which also happens to supports the current band, is pathetic or not.

From my experience, these people aren't exactly open minded about GN'R....




/jarmo

Good call - only people with GNR type email addresses are allowed to be fans.   To Hell (but not this one) with those that like other bands enough to warrant influenced email addresses, there is no way those are real fans!

I think his point was, some people are much huger Slash fans then they are GnR fans and those people typically don't embrace(let alone accept) Guns N' Roses as it is today.   

A right that should be respected........(treated with respect).....

Why you talk about freedom? You shouldn't talk! I don't even have an logout button here. The nazi-admin removed it.
I am forced to log on here and be a fan! And I can't even log out! :nervous:

I'd like to direct an appeal at the international comunity, we HTGTH-posters, needs help. We're desperate. Please help us :help:

What are you talking about?
You were born here like the rest of us.

Quiet, you!  Get back to refreshing the main page!

Please explain why would that be ? What could stop the album from being released ?

Nobody knows when it will be released, and Bumblefoot's sentence is the same kind as Axl's : "If you're waiting, don't".

Doesn't mean it's not coming out.

Larry King??  :o

I didn't even know that was possible.

Just adding a little civics lesson about "freedom of speech":

Freedom of speech, as a right, has absolutely NOTHING to do with what you can, and can't, post on a privately owned and operated message board on the internet.

Freedom of speech simply means the GOVERNMENT will make no law abridging your freedom of speech.  Near as I can tell, Congress hasn't (though I'm sure the Jungle denizens will jump in and debate that, and the Patriot act...but that's neither here nor there) done that here in the states.

So crowing that your rights to free speech is being infringed upon, when jarmo decides to delete every post with the word "blue" in it, is completely false.  He has a right to delete, allow, or shut down anything on this board that he sees fit.  He has the right to alter any post on this board in any WAY he sees fit.  And there's nothing illegal about it...nor is he, in any way doing ANYTHING that effects your "right to free speech". He is the ultimate editor of the site's content...no matter who else creates it.  That's the right he gets for paying the bills, and owning the site.

So, the long and short of it is this (as it always has been):  If you don't like the way the board is modded..go find a board that's run more to your liking....or run a board yourself.  If you'd like to let jarmo know what you think of his modding....have at it.  I'm sure he'll give it all the consideration it's worth.....  But don't, for the love of pete, start throwing around the idea that someone is violating your right to free speech.....unless you have George Bush on the line and he's threatening to arrest you for bagging on Axl's wardrobe.

^ I think most people here realize that. I took issue with someone using "freedom" and "priviledge" in the same breath. That, to me, is oxymoronic.

What a load of crap! First of all, what government?? American people always tend to think the world is all about USA...when will they learn it isn't!.

This board is just the best GN'R board online, therefore we are here.  A board admin has to accept that they have a certain responsibility to carry for a forum with the dimension of this one and therefore also accept other ones thoughts - even if they disagree. Inappropriate posts is another story.
So, for me, this board should be more than a 'we do what we want with this'-board. The reason for that is, is because this board has so many members from around the globe, one should expect the admins are taking the mentioned responsibility.
Ok, enough of this bullshit now from my side. Actually I believe our moderators/admins are doing a great job!!! Just, I would find it a pitty if with deleting posts, a false impression is created about GN'R and fans opinions....(reason also I created this thread) but again, I do not think this is the case or this thread would already been deleted!
So a great thanks to all admins and especially to the big boss  :hihi: Jarmo for leading a fantastic forum!

PS: english is not my mother language, so I hope I explained clearly what I mean....
PPS: When the fuck is the new album comming out? Or do I really need to stick with my disappointment of thinking it will never come...  ;)

It's not a load of crap.  It's the truth.  Freedom of speech, in the context of being a right, pertains to goverment control (no matter which country you happen to live in) of your speech.  NOT control by a moderator on a privately owned and operated message board.  Period.  End of story.


No, they don't.  Plain and simple.  If you think that jarmo has to "mod" the forum a specific way, simply because you think he should...or even the majority of posters thinks he should...you're wrong.  He bears no "responsibility" at all...other than making sure the bills get paid.  If you don't like it...go somewhere else.  Because it's the truth...no matter how much you don't want to hear it.

We are here because jarmo lets us come here.  It's his yard, so his rules.  If you don't like them, take your ball, go home, and find another yard to play in.  It's really that simple. 

If you owned a house, invited me to come in, and I did something that offended you...I'd expect you'd ask me to stop.  I'd either respect that request, or leave....and that's the way you'd want it to be.  Same thing at HTGTH.


The number of members is irrelevant.  What you want is irrelevant. You don't run the place, you don't own the domain, and you don't pay the bills.  It's no simpler than that.  If you "expect" them to moderate based on your expectations...you're likely going to be disappointed.

If I think you say a lot of crap then who are you to say I'm wrong? It was and still is crap!  :hihi: ...you just want to have a point - just like me - and I totally disagree with you. I could give you good replies on all your remarks with my 'counters', but to be frankly I fucking don't care. - you take things far to serious. I have other thoughts but respect yours though.  :beer:

You can disagree all you want.

But some things are facts, and some aren't.

Some things are true, and some aren't.

No you are wrong. When you pay the bills, you get to make up the rules. That's how it goes, but the great thing with that is, if you don't like how a certain board is being run you can leave.

Jarmo is expressing his freedom if speech via this website. Don't like it? Go somewhere else :P

Most people are fans here.
I like the fact this isn't like Blabbermouth or pages like that, or the other sites where it's such a immature comunity.

Freedom of speech includes our right to be namecalling, express radical opinions, blashphemia, throw insults etc. Not pretty but an fundemental right.
Maybe it's a good thing for most here that we can express ourselfs freely ANYWHERE else? :hihi:

But yes, you throw away your rights when you sign up and agree to the guidelines :peace: