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Poll from ultimate-guitar.com

08. Guns N' Roses ? "November Rain" (Slash)

Never mind that the song holds the record for the longest guitar solo in a U.S. Top-10 hit?without all of Slash's hard work you would pretty much be listening to an Elton John tune.


check the rest of the list in here: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/8_guitar_solos_that_transform_a_song_into_a_classic.html

wow, nice compliment to Slash.  Its a beautiful solo for sure.

Not to start a fight, but can some of u see what kind of fight the new GNR guitarists are in for once CD comes out? Their stuff is gonna be compared *Fairly or not* to some of the greatest riffs and solos in rock history.................



I feel for the guys.

Jimmy Bobby says it will blow all that old shit out of the water. 

Just kidding Jim Bob

D, it is not fair.  And, if it is a "great" solo, many critics will simply say "in finck (or whoever's) previous bands they never played this way.  Maybe Axl told them to try and get the Slash solo sound so the GNR fans would accept it more.  So they may be viewed as guys trying to emulate Slash's sound.  Cause that sound is a "GNR" trademark.

Wow... No Stairway?

Congrats to Slash.  Very well deserved.  A beautiful solo indeed.

VERY nice..still think Estranged solo is better.

Yes, Slash would have had more input into that one.

Izzy's solo and Slash's one in Estranged are better, IMHO... But even without 'em, Estranged would be a masterpiece, so...

Not sure i agree with that


The guitar melodies and fills are some of the greatest guitar playing EVER.


Estranged is great but without those guitar parts, it would definitely drop a bit.

Check out what company the author writes for, and bear in mind that it's fairly well known that the stairway to heaven solo was played on a fender telecaster....

Nice to see guns still getting some recognition, though.  I imagine nr was one of the great gibson adverts, i can imagine hordes of people trying to emulate slash, outside the church....or slash atop the piano. 

Yeah, me too. November Rain is always a little bit overlooked in my opinion, when it comes to the Illusion's epics ... Estranged !!

Agree, Estranged guitar work is way better IMHO.

I didn't know that. Could you give me the story behind it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stairway_to_Heaven

Why isn't Sweet Child O' Mine in there? It has a longer solo than NR.

Yeah, but they knew it coming in....

Their best works is still coming, where as others' best work is in the past....

I don't feel bad for them at all. More like excited and curious.




/jarmo

It wouldn't be the same without Slash...or any of the others!

Exactly. It would be better or worse. Who knows? But what I know is: without Axl we would not have November Rain. : ok:

I love the solo/outro to TWAT.  Nothing to be ashamed of there.

That will be awfully impressive considering that AFD is regarded as possibly the greatest Rock N' Roll album of all-time, which according to your theory means that CD is going to supplant it as the new greatest rock n' roll record of all time. Failure to do so according to your theory means that like many other artists, the members of GNR's best work is also in their past. Just being less mediocre than other artists when compared to your best work doesn't seem like much of a prize to me. I thought my expectations for CD were high, but yours blow mine out of the water.  :peace:

You don't make much sense.

Nowhere did I make comparisons to any previous GN'R albums. I only pointed out that I believe Richard's, Robin's and Ron's best work is coming.

So therefor, they shouldn't feel bad about being compared to something that came out 20 years ago. The future looks bright.



If you read all these polls etc, it seems like Slash hasn't produced a great solo since 1991.....

Which also happens to be what many GN'R fans think (notice how I didn't say Slash fans?).




/jarmo

True enough, but I'd like to make 2 points here:

1) If you listen to the NR demo, you can basically hear the rough parts of what becomes Slash's solo in the piano melody. I'm not taking anything away from it, or claim to know which part inspired which, but it is there

2) No Elton John song I've ever heard, gets as intense as the ending of November Rain

Why do you feel for the guys? Sure, they didn't write those great riffs and solos but they get to play them night after night (when they tour anyway). If they didn't like the music I'm sure they wouldn't play the old songs.
And it's only logical that new albums get compared to the old albums. It's like that for all bands and artists. They knew what they were getting into and that's probably one of the reasons why it takes so long to release Chinese Democracy.

I disagree with a lot of the songs on that list... including November Rain. They are brilliant songs, the solos don't 'make them a classic'.

There is one in there that should have topped the list though, and that is Skynyrd's Freebird. That solo is just about the most intense build-up of a monster ever and it IS the song.

Regardless, Slash is the only GNR guitarist on this list. 

And the only GNR lead guitarist to have recorded works released under GNR. The other guitarists hardly have any released recorded material that made an impact on popular culture.

You should read their bios!

Britney Spears has released material that made an impact on popular culture.
that really makes sense... oh, and 'cause of your post you probably love Simple Plan. ::)

Oi dicks, I'm giving reasons why they wouldn't be in the list. I'm STICKING UP FOR THEM. I have read their bios - are you trying to tell me they come from bands that are as 'important' to popular music (which this list is obviously looking at) as any band on that list?

And there are some killer solos on "Ain't life grand?"!!!

If you read all the polls etc, it seems like Axl hasn't produced a great album since 1991...

WHAT A CROC OF SHIT.i've just listened to Light My Fire on my ipod and for the life of me i wanna know what those twats had been taking to vote that solo No1.Its fucking terrible and just meanders on and on and has nodepth or power to it.

RANT OVER   :D

it does? won't say anything for sure, but wouldn't NR's 3 solos be longer in total than the one in SCOM?

anyways, I absolutely agree with what's written about the song there.

I don?t agree that the guitar solo makes November Rain a great song. I think that Slash?s work is overrated for the media, maybe because he is a very cool guy with the media. November rain is in a whole a wonderful song and I don?t believe that all the people that get in love with NR back in 1992, had taken care specially on the guitar solos. The people who I knew, even people who used to hate GNR and in general rock music, love NR for the lyrics, for the melody and for the video. In my personal opinion the guitar solos in NR are amazing but it is really stupid to say that these solos make NR a wonderful song. NR is a very beautiful song, a really classic song, due to the feelings that transmit the one who write the song (Axl).

I don't know, the solos are what caught my attention.

I definitely agree.

But I really enjoy the song in general as well.

The solos definitely caught me aswell...great solos, great song

I think after 10-15 years working on this record, the new GNR has had more than enough time to put together a solo comparable with Slash's from the glory old days. Its a shame it took a decade to even consider going public with it rather than a couple of years.

So far the new solos are great on songs like TWAT and Better, but they don't quite make up as much of the song as Slash did on these classics, regardless of whether he "liked to dive in and find the monkey" or not.

MNW

Try to focus on the fucking topic for once instead of making this yet another "old vs new" thread..




/jarmo

November rain is fucking amazing from the beginning to the end. And that solo should be higher on that list! In my not so humble opinion  ;D

Lol I made this thread but forgot to post on it... oh well  :no: anyway... November Rain was the song that made me a GN?R fan...everything was (is)perfect on that song... the lyrics, the melody, the solos, the video... it was and still is my favourite song of all time. So I?m quite happy it is listed on this Gibson poll.  : ok:

I definately think the outro is what turns that song into a classic, as in one of the best songs ever. Great song anyway, but the outro sets it apart. Just so unique and epic and perfect. I'm certain most people think of the outro when talking of November Rain. Of course I would complement the whole band, not just Slash, even for the outro.

Firebird is definately justified being in there - I don't think 1% of the people who know that song would still know it without the solo.

Not a true poll though, because all Gibson guitars. Stairway To Heaven was certainly a telecaster, it was just the sound Jimmy Page wanted for it. No real story behind it.

I find that people tend to 'melt' 3 notes into the intro. It is instantly recognizable. You always hear the crowd go ahhh right at the beginning. I think it the strings that does it.

Not to metion the 'lilting' melody line........

Yeah, let's focus on the topic Jarmo!  :hihi:

Slash plays the solo on this song which was released in 1991. None of his solos after that seems to appear on these polls.


On the other hand, the new songs on the album by the current band has nothing to do with that.

Maybe if you used your head a bit, you'd see that? Or is it asking for too much?



/jarmo

Wow, easy there! What polls? The polls you make up on your site? Or the polls in some guitar magazines?
What songs make these polls? Are they the "best songs" or the "best known songs"? Maybe if you used your head a bit, you'd realise it's the songs from the latter category.

I'm not taking sides, I like the "old" and the "new" band. I never saw the "old" band live but saw the "new" band three times and I loved all three concerts!

Slash played some great solos since 1991. I don't know if you even own a copy of "Ain't life grand". If you do, maybe it's time to listen to it again. Or do yourself a favor and buy the album "Street Child" by Elan. I"m sure you'll appreciate his work on that album aswell. I do respect your support for the "new" band but why do you always have to be so negative about the "old" members.

One last thing... thank you for not deleting my post.

I have it and no thanks....



I know the solo.



I was stating a simple fact. None of the Snakepit songs are listed among the top guitar solos lists that I've seen......

As you can see, I didn't disrespect his work in GN'R so I don't know how you can say that I'm negative about the old members.  ::)





/jarmo

Oh please, don?t turn this into another one of those old vs new or Slash vs....whoever.  :P

We had a short lived radio station come on the air about a year ago here.  They aimed at playing
all sorts of contemporary rock.  Well they started playing November Rain but instead of doing it
right and playing the song in it's entirety (which should be done with every song IMHO) They cut
out all the solo's.  It was like listening to a beautiful slow song that was kind of boring.  And it
always seemed incomplete without the outro solo.  It lasted about a month when they started
playing the full song.

Sat listening to it now and  absolutley love it, but for me it has to be Estranged for gut wrenching solo's.

Whenever I see it on VH1 they cut the outro... It?s a shame cos it is the best part of the song in my opinion.  :no:

People, there are 30 polls like that every fuckin' year , and SCOM and NR ALWAYS make top 3, so besides being a DEAD HORSE subject, it's not a good thing either...

I quite enjoy the demo version of November Rain without the huge solos and huge guitar outro at the end of the UYI version.  The last solo at the end seems out of place to me in the song.  It is a great solo, but seems tacked on.