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Ok, let the debate begin...

Motley Crue or Nine Inch Nails?

I say NIN!

Yeah, when NIN does something close musically and vocally to Shout At The Devil maybe :peace:

Why should we pick one or the other ?  I personally like both band.

satd is nothing more than rehashed AeroKiss.

Way overrated, dated and cheesy.

SHOUT, SHOUT, SHOUT.... :hihi: :no:

It's not, and also...can Trent sing as Vince does on Danger, Red Hot and Knock Em' Dead? Thought not :P

But that is one of the things about that album that make is so awesome .

this is a retarded comparison, ill take motley crue over NIN though as they are my preffered style of music.

but come on, honestly, different scene and years apart in when they came out and hit primes.

Think about how much more ballsy TDS is over SATD.

this a strange poll.

have to go with NIN.   better songs, better live show, better singer.

I'll say the Crue though I'm a fan of NIN as well.



And I like Shout At The Devil. >:(

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what a load! SATD is metal, TDS is just keyboards and messy guitars.

I see what you're saying, but for me personally it's a tough call just because I think I have 7,000 something songs on my ipod and I have about 3 from each of these artists. And I have been exposed to both groups greatly through friends who are huge fans of both groups so it's not a case of "You only heard their singles....you don't even know man-YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW".  Sorry, in my humblest of opinions neither band is very good, and I think both of them were extremely fortunate time-wise. If GnR came out this year I don't think they would be nearly as popular but I still think they would hit it big because it comes down to song quality and they had it. Trent was very lucky he came out when he did and so are the crue. I will give trent points for being at least original-if not good. However I am going to say the crue overall just because at least they were sometimes fun as opposed to trents songs which encourage whining.

Lol Motley V. NIN? That's not really something you compare.

I guess I would choose NIN for overall credibility... but it's not like one is ALOT better than the other. It's like comparing... er.. The Beastie Boys to.. The Beatles or something. Sure the Beatles are better, but they didn't do some of the cool stuff The Beastie Boys did. You know?

only on a GNR fan board... :hihi:

NIN

trent for tha win'nah

Wow just wow! another pointless thread.::)

Deffinatly Crue.
I don't really like the industrial thing at all and what I've heard of NIN I've found boring and self indulgent.


I agree that it's a strange poll, but that's where it stops. I deffinatly preffer Crue's songs anyday, I preffer Vince over Trent, and I haven't seen a NIN show, but the Crue shows are pretty awesome. The Carnival of Sins tour (a 'circus gone wrong') was an amazing stage show.
But with this poll the styles of music are so different that there is little ground for comparison, aside from personal perference.

yea thats my point, this one is all about personal preference because they are nothing alike.

plus NIN had Robin Finck in it, Motley Crue did not.

live performance - NIN, as close to a perfect live show as you will ever see.

composition skills - NIN, breaks the standard structure of songs which most bands use and it works

creativity - NIN, year zero promotion enough said

musical talent - NIN - josh > tommy lee,  aaron > mick, jeordie > sixx, and well i've seen many a crue fan admit that vince can't sing live, and trent well he can.

lyrics - NIN - hurt covered by cash, that kind of thing just would not happen with motley crue.

quite easy to compare some aspects. and like i said, trent is on a whole different level to motley crue, they couldn't come close to what he does, where as without a doubt if trent wanted to, he could create a motley crue style record.

i take motley crue for what they are, a generic 80's scene band. where as NIN are a band which push boundaries and are constantly evolving.

I like NIN, one of my favorite bands.

Motley Crue is great...for people that are in to that kind of music. I just don't like them at all, however.

The Crue for me :headbanger:

Crue

depends on what you would expect from that said live show.

better technique doesn't mean better music. if it was all about skills buckethead should sell millions of records every year

so you judge the music by the way they are promoted?

how can you say how much talent someone has? can you measure talent?
so, if a bigger artist covers your song that makes you great?

i'm not picking any sides but i'd prefer the crue just because of the feel good rock and roll songs. maybe it's because of today's kids that like emo and shit. music doesn't have to be sad, it can be happy and should bring joy to the listener.

Apple meet orange.

i remember not long ago you informing me over msn how you hate the "hair metal" movement and believe it the lowest form of music, so naturally your gonna dig the NIN.

I don't know, I could have pictured the Man in Black busting out Girls, Girls, Girls.





Anyway, what happened to the 'Bon Jovi VS...' threads?

Morphed into "Hilary Clinton"

nin...
for sure..

Crue FTW!, i've only ever heard 2 NIN songs and i  thought they sucked.

I heard a 5 second clip and I think they suck!
Greatest thread...

Yeah, they're not my kind of music at all

Crue 

It is an odd comparison, like comparing Metallica to the Beatles.

Tool pretty much crucify both bands :beer:

well there was no need for you to pop this comment in.

but since you have, i must say i find it laughable.

tool are one of the most boring bands ive ever listened to, and thats out of all honesty.

i don't remember saying it was the lowest form of music, but i do think the vast majority of it is generic shit.

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if you see NIN in a venue where they can use their full stage set up you would see what i mean. pink floyd took live shows to a new level, it goes beyond just having the music, NIN have expanded on this.

i didn't use the word technique at all, i said compositional skills, motley crue could not write in the manner which trent does, where as trent could easily do what motley crue does.

no mention of the music when i said creativity, you're trying to put words into my mouth again, but fuck motley crue is basic generic 80's hair metal, NIN music isn't generic at all, and has no set formula, so would have to be considered more creative.

sixx can't play bass, jeordie can. there you go measured.
josh over tommy, both are damn good drummers, but josh has far more to him and can play in multiple styles.
mick and aaron are both damn good guitarists, however mick's illness means his playing suffers.
vince can't sing, trent can.

thats how i measure it.


no it means you're capable of writing great lyrics.

big artists will cover great well written songs, they won't cover average shit.

Tool are nothing but an overrated early emo band from the 90's. 

P.S alan, shut the fuck up, you know nothing about what makes a good bass player.

Tool are incredible, but u either "get" them or u dont. its take time to fully understand and appreciate them....took me forever to get into them too but once i did i can say it was definitely worth the effort.

Motley Crue are a decent band with some catchy songs but Tool always have awesome concepts and intereting song structures. same with Nine Inch Nails.

if u want fun party music, Motley Crue are the band for u.

if u want thought provoking intricate concept albums and deep songs, Tool and NIN are the bands for u.

and to the person who said tool are an "emo" band, put down the crack pipe...

I was reading about Tool in Metal Edge and Hit Parader way back in the early 90's when you were still on the tit, and yes they are one of the first emo/industrial bands with above average musicial ability. If I want thought provoking I'll read a book. :P

after this comment i understand your position and i wouldn't reply to the rest of your answers but i'm gonna give it a shot.


when i said depends on what you expect i meant, if you go to motley crue and expect to see them do a nin type show then, sorry, you're not gonna see that. if you're gonna go expecting a hair band show, that's what you're gonna get. it's all a matter of taste. i like the 80's metal style shows with dancing and jumping and bla bla bla... but that's me, and that's a perfect show to me. to you, probably a perfect show is a nin show.

compositional skills=technique in writing music, or maybe i got that wrong? and i doubt trent could write a hair metal album. but that we'll never know.

maybe i went too far with music=creativity, sorry 'bout that. but if you have different styles from album to album doesn't necessarily mean you're more creative. a lot of bands change their style and lose some of their fans because of that. check metallica for an example. did st. anger mean a change of style, hell yeah. do i think it sucks, yep! is metallica creative, maybe but that doesn't really mean it's good quality.

talent doesn't have to be measured by how good can you play an instrument. have you heard the saying "practice makes it perfect"? there's a lot of talentless fuckheads that can play complicated stuff just because of practice, does that mean they have talent? and just because josh can play multiple styles, doesn't mean tommy can't. he's been a drummer for so many years, you think if he wants to learn a different thing on the drums he can't?

but they can cover average shit and turn it into something great. there's a lot of covers i know that i think the originals suck ass. and there are covers that suck ass and originals are great (sheryl crow - pretty big artist imo - sweet child. her version sucks).
if a big artist covers your song doesn't mean he is some sort of authority when it comes to lyrics. i'm a guns n' roses fan, doesn't mean that i have to listen to the beatles or bob dylan because hey, they covered songs by these artists.

anyway, i don't even know why i'm defending the crue, i'm not even a big fan :hihi:

Tool are not emo or industrial.

Richard Nixon is perhaps the furthest thing from a Tool fan, but I'm sure even he would agree on that one :hihi:

How about you actually listen to the music and formulate your own opinion, instead of regurgitate what Hit Parader told you 15+ years ago?

I am one of those that don't *get* TOOL and I own all four albums. I'll give them credit for their vision and Innovision, musicianship, etc., but I could never really get into them at all.

Sometime I'll have to go over their catalogue again with an open mind and see if there is something I've been missing.

What's funny is people tend to lump NIN and TOOL together the same way people group the Stones and the Beatles together. And I love NIN but don't dig TOOL.



I'm Hillary now!

Maybe you could argue there are some industrial elements to their sound, even if they aren't really industrial. An no, not Emo at all.

i like all these bands-

Motley Crue - as long as you dont judge this band on how they dressed- they sing good tunes about drugs, chicks, .. i like em for the same reason i like guns n roses.

Nine Inch Nails - they're good if your really pissed off, or really sad,  also the music is more interesting to listen too.  you cant compare these bands.. one of em is not even a band- its one person. 

Tool-  i guess i dont "get" tool either, i can only explain the meaning of maybe 3 songs- and dont ask me what the hell is going on the videos-  but otherwise i still dig em, but i like tool for the same reasons i like pink floyd - the music is awesome when your high!

Wow, this is now a Triple Threat.



Between 3 bands with very little common I might add.

ha,  exactly -change the name of the thread to Motley Crue vs. Nine Inch Nails vs. Tool.   

lets compare these guys to Elvis too.

motley crue wins for me.

the musics fun and it gets me pumpin ,thats what i want, and they look cool for the bonus

i'm glad you did, made for an interesting read.

you made some great arguements, and just to clear the technique/composition up.

composition would be how you structure songs, technique is the way in which you'd play an instrument.

I think it's honestly just because of the failed Tapeworm side project between Trent and Maynard years ago that people blindly assume "well, if they're trying to make a collaboration together, TOOL and NIN must sound similar," when in fact that's just not the case :-\


Don't worry Hillary; it took me years and years to get into Tool myself ;)

But one day I found a copy of Lateralus on sale, so I bought it, and the rest they say is history : ok:

If you have a 5.1 sound system, your already at an advantage since that's what the album was mastered in, but either way, as soon as you press play on that album Hill', you'll know your in for one helluva' ride :beer:

If Lateralus eventually grows on you, Id check out their new album 1O,OOO Days since it's also a bit more accessible than ?nima, or Undertow.

Best of luck Hillary.

 :beer:

PS: If you approach Tool, as you said "with an open mind," I really don't think you can go wrong.

The one thing your sure to notice right away is "holy shit, their drummer, as GnFnR87 would say, is disgustingly good!" :hihi:

thanks for clearing that up. i think i need to look for that english dictionary and read some more :hihi:

NIN DEFINATLEY.......still kinda take em or leave em dependingon the song but i just can't stand Vince Neils voice.