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Hello everyone,

What is your favorite version of Robin's solo he plays before SCOM? Could you post a link to it (if you can't it's ok, please post your opinion anyway)

I absolutely love that piece.  :D

I'm partial, I liked the Finlandia solo from 2006 for obvious reasons.

The jam he's done in North America last year and all over the world this year is very cool.




/jarmo

Finlandia was cool, but i think the new jam shows more emotion and shit :yes:



gotta luv tha funky finck

I don't like any Finck's jam solo, includes solos of classic songs, except his solo in The Blues, I love it, so I would say that my favorite Finck solo over all is The Blues solo.

I think Finck's solos are alright before SCOM, but the best version I ever heard Finck play of SCOM was on 5/15 at Hammerstein.

Well, this was about his solos before Sweet Child O' Mine.

And we know that you don't enjoy Robin overall, so...

Mine would probably be Finlandia too.

I'd have to go with the 'Finlandia' one, that one rocked.

that bluesy one he played this year is great

but my fav robin solo before scam is the one at Inland Invasion.

The ones he did last year were great but my favorite one has to be Sossogo from RIR 3.

I liked his 2002 solos~!

 :D

agreed, the one he played at Inland Invasion was the best solo before SCOM, well besides Sossego at RIR 3.

Same here.  He completely brought the house down with that jam/solo.  Jaw-droppingly good!

i would't go that far, but it was good/

I have heard nothing on this tour but the shit he played on the 2002 tour was some of the worst guitar playing I personally have ever heard.


That aint hating either, thats being honest. : ok:

This isn't about 2002.  :confused:

...and it's not about what's worst either.

:P

I loved the guitar solo he did in Inland Invasion. That was damn cool, even though I dont know if that was something improvised or a song. That solo had emotion, aggressiveness and he let us know he can shred if he wants to.

Everything Finck plays is fucking gold.

Sossego - Rio 2001


Still the best IMO.


I dont quite like his other jams&solos before SCOM though...  :-\ Sounds too "improvising" in a way...  :-\

I wish Axl would do the "Sail away sweet sister" part again before SCOM. That really kicked ass!!!

I like Germany 2006.

I think those intro solo's from Finck sucks.
The intro's in the old days are really cool, but the solo's that Robin plays are so weak.
His solo in better is verry cool by the way.

again we're taking about the piece/ interlude before scom. Not the scom intro, whick also kickass by robin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAlUr0-JVj8&mode=related&search=

well this doesn't really do justice to the sound, but listen from the 16:40 mark.

It sounds like something from The Who in the beginning.

def. likin it.  His licks on TWAT and Better are GOLD as well...some of the best work ever in my opinion.

the solo he did before scom on the 2002 tour...really great...............

Sossego? The best? Jaw-droppingly good? Did we hear the same solo? The sentiment was nice and people dug it, but as a guitar piece it wasn't all that great.

Finck weirds me out a little. I just can't get into his playing on the old stuff, but I know he's not a bad guitarist because his work on the new material (at least the playing that I'm pretty sure of as his on the demos) is really good and interesting. I'm not trying to bash the guy, he just has a very personal style that shines on the material he helped write. I'd take Fortus' playing on the classic GnR tunes over Robin's.

Strange guy, that Robin Finck. Definitely a one in a million kind of guy.

I used to feel this way, but his feeling and sense of style has really grown on me.

I'm not looking to start a war/debate or anything, but I'll say this: his playing from 2006 on that second solo of November Rain is to me, the best that solo has ever been played.

I also think he tears the fuck out of Patience.

I would agree with this. He plays a really nice, lyrical solo on that one.

No, not Sossego. He did a short, melodic intro before SCOM on the 2002 tour. Not rio 2001. I think he made it up....it was about a minute of so, but very beautiful....

Gotta second that. I also love that stupid dance he did. But yeah, Finlandia was amazing live and people were really into it in Helsinki. Wonder why :hihi: I think Deep Purple also did some kind of version of it when they were performing in Helsinki couple of years ago.

Anyway, I love how they have added more intros to the songs. I don't really care what some people think, I like those tunes anyway. But on the other hand, I don't think anything beats Bad Time or Axl's piano jam before November Rain from 1993. And now I turned this into old vs. new, bad bad baaaad.

I know, but Sossego came up earlier in the thread and it was described at 'the best' and 'jaw dropping'. *shrug* I guess when you love an artist you'll call any pile of crap a pot of gold  :hihi:

I didn't care for the SCOM pre-solos much but they are nice for what they are. I'd rather hear more new material where he really seems to shine.

I really really like some of the stuff I've heard him do before PC as well.

:o





Anyway, I know that Sossego is the solo he did before SCOM at RIR III, but....what is it? If you understand what I mean.

Its some popular brazilan song... Football theme mabye?

i think one of his best moments is that one solo before SCOM on the 2002 tour... bring tears to your eyes... such an awesome melody.

as a guitar player myself, i love robin, i love that jimmy page/hendrix style of his, very raw...

and his work on the new songs is just stellar.

Robin is as well the most fascinating member to see live.

not to start a thread between Slash Vs Robin, but i'd rather see robin play live than slash now-a-days.

Robin is pure magic. and he's the best man to play in guns.

No, just an old Brazilian song from 70's... The original has a funk/soul feel, with some horn section.

 :rofl: :rofl:

I wonder how many jokes can come from a single song title...  :hihi:

TONS.... I bet the band has a bunch we've never even thought of.


Even though this thread is about Finck playing SCOM, I'd like to direct it back to There Was A Time... is there any video of the second time they played this live?

I wanna see who's playing what solo's better. The video I have of Hammerstein is shot poorly enough to where I can't tell.

I've been looking for this for... 1 year, maybe. Wel... even more. I'd love to watch Robin/Ron playing their solos.

Possibly, the band playing around with TWAT in the studio caused the delay in the release of CD.




Sorry.

Yes, well, all work and no play does make Jack a dull boy...........

This one is pretty awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q9xyCZ4cwA

I like his tone there, it sounds Buckethead/Zakk Wylde-ish at times.

It's worth a watch.

Damn. Thanks for that.... great solo.

usually I don't like Robin Finck's solos, but this one is the better that I have listened Finck's guitar...

i agree with the Zakk Wylde comparison

I personally dont see the comparison, zakk plays a lot of single notes alternate picking AT SPEED, robin is doing some legato, and if im honest it sounds quite bluesy rock like a lot of other guitarists...page, gary moore, sykes, *whisper* slash, the iron maiden guys etc etc.

which is not a bad thing. it just sounds nothing like zakk wylde IMO

The tone reminds me of Zakk Wylde.

But there's no rights or wrongs in this case, though.

my fav solo is from la 2006, 12-19-06. it's listed in my favorites document on my pc.

neither do I...

Then listen to the goddamn guitar tone, for Chirst's sake... :hihi:

It's got a certain Zakk Wylde/Buckethead vibe - and I really dig it.

that's his 2007 solo before Scom.
Yeah I can definitely see where you're coming from but,
just listen to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89yw7wqoaio

I'd say the piece has a strong Zep feel in it.

I'll have to side with you, I guess.

Those are very alike.

and there you just putted the best zeppelin song up for grabs! you're the man!  : ok: :peace:

Watched it.? Nice ideas.? The wah "tone" is similar to Zakk's.? Not quite enough bite.

He not a very clean player at all.? And frankly, nothing really "cool" about that solo.? The beginning sounds very much like Slash, then some Gary Moore blues stuff, then some wanna be Zakk stuff on wah.? The sad thing is, he does a worse job than all three guys I just listed at doing what they do best.? Slash doesn't have great chops, but it is my opinion, that they are much better than Fink's.? I like Fink's attitude, but he comes off as a wanna be player and not the real deal.? ?Slash, Moore, and Wylde are all certified grade A real deal players.?

Finck.

Wow, what a ridiculous attempt to complain about the guy.

By your logic, Slash is nothing more than ctrl c + ctrl v from Page, Hendrix and Perry. So, does that make Slash a wanna be the 3 J's? :P

If you don't like Robin, it's fine and that's up to you. But to back up your opinion with this biased non-sense, I think you missed a great opportunity to be quiet. 

And, BTW, I do not agree with Robin's sound being similar to Zakk - or Slash, or Gary Moore.

i don't dislike robin, i think he is a an excellent player,

but i i agree with the guys statement here, he is absolutley smoked by some of the other players mentioned here.

if we were comparing fortus to these guys it would be a much fairer comparsion. forus is better than Ron. imo

just tonnes of skill and feel

Yeah, Richard is really good. But he never came up with one single solo from his own as good as any of Robin's solos as far as I know. He has great skills as performer and great feel, but he's yet to prove his habilities as a composer IMO. Yeah, his solo in The Blues is good, but not as Robin's in the same song.

I don't think Axl has put Robin as the main lead guitar for nothing. The most important solos are all handled by Robin Finck and he has done an awesome job.

Voodoo, I like Robin.  I like his stage presance.  But Gary, Slash, and Zakk all do their thing.  He doesn't sound like Zakk, he sounds like a guy, trying to sound like Zakk.  The last wah part is what I am referring too.  His solo goes nowhere.  It doesn't build up.  Like the Godfather or the Solo after Double Talking Jive are both improv, but they are building to something bigger.  Finck is a good player.  He must be a hell of a song writer.  Some may say Slash is a copy of a copy, but he has his own distinctive style and licks.  Name for me some "Robin" styles, trademarks, and licks?  Gary and Zakk have a ton of them.  How many guitar players list those guys as influences?  How many list Finck.  He is a fine player, but brings nothing new at all to the table in terms of playing or tone.

Smoking just listen to my link.

Robin's not trying to sound like somebody else.
Robin sounds robin.
There he plays his own 'since I've been loving you' for the fans that have been waiting to see the band long.
Utterly Cool.

Ya, its okay.  I think I could solo that good.  32-45 sec is vintage Slash.  45-2:00+ is very Slash/Gary Moore.  Also some Jimmy Page.  Which is cool.  I like it.

Look, watch this whole clip, then tell me what you think. This is Gary Moore.  This is moving.  This is beauty.  Finck's thing was cool, this is on a whole other level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWp-Mazmf88

I couldn't disagree more. I think he sounds far from Zakk and has a very good style that is really easy to notice. I can tell when is Robin playing a solo by far in any song because of his unique style - and that doesn't seem to be like else's sound. 

I think this is only your opnion... I think it does build up to something of his own, the main melody of his blues solo along with Frank and Dizzy (or Pitman). No need to build into another song... Slash used to play a really long solo before build it into the Godfather Theme - it took way too long.

I think we have tons of proof already.

Robin's styles and trademarks? He has tons of it! Everybody were able to say how it was Robin's work in Better and TWAT when they first listened to the demos.

As for licks, I think Robin doesn't really have one besides his unique way of bending - which could be considered as not having a "cliche", an easy way to play fast or build a solo from improvisation. In other hand, Bucket has one that he uses way too much - besides Madagascar, every solo in the demos had it, which kinda annoys me (tho I'm getting used to it). Slash use his licks less than Bucket, but when he plays his solo act, you can tell that he needs that to be able to do the improvisation.

This is just about being famous, I'm sure. Robin didn't release anything big yet. This is gonna change once CD be released. Also, you need to see the moment, as the guitar playing is not really like it used to be back when Slash, Gary and Zakk had their top. Kids are not into playing guitar as it was back in the '80s and '90s.

Not only he does bring a lot, but also his tone is the most unique of the three other guitars in the band. Tell me one solo that brings as much feeling as The Blues, TWAT and Better solos since 2001.

Smoking Guns, I'll listen to it.

But just one thing, Robin is not trying to show off his level his skill or whatever.
He's just trying to show his heart to the fans there.  Nothing can interfere.

That is very fair.  I like it over all.  But, its something many members here on this very forum could play.  But its not about how hard something is to play.

Its not about being famous Voodoo!  Fortus and Bumble and Bucket are not famous, but, they influence a lot of players.  As a guitar player, Fink really doesn't do anything that I would want to imply in my playing.  Fortus is a great alternate picker.  Bumble plays some exotic scales that peak my interest.  Bucket's use of effects and melodic sense along with speed and precision is amazing.  But when it comes to finck, a lot of his basic fundementals are so off that as a student of the instrument, not much good comes from studying his playing.  He is just an "average" to "good" player.   He has great stage command.  He currently has a cool style.  He can write a nice solo on the few songs where he shines.  I am sure in the studio he will come across much more polished and I will appreciate it more.  I am not giving up on Finck.

I had a listen. Doesn't sound like robin but some bit like Ventures some bit Santana some bit Tony visconti and some bit richie blackmore.... :P yet as a whole it's probably very gary moore I guess. and even if members here on this very forum could play the same notes, they wouldn't really sound like him. The same is true with Robins. Well robin might not sound as proficient as moore but as far as I can gather pioneers like Jimmy page was never the most technical player.

Good points.   Gary is a great all around player. 

Fortus? I don't think so. And BBF and BH both released several solo records, so they are fairly well-known with guitar players. That was my point, Robin didn't really released anything besides a small whole in the Ghosts Of Mars OST.

Fair enough, but as a guitar player, I do have influence from Robin. I'll upload something I made that reminds me a bit of him, if you want to...

That's not true and, the way you put, you could say the same with Slash. He's not really a king of technic..

Again, tell me one recent solo as good as what he did on The Blues, Better and TWAT.

From what I heard, his studio work doesn't go that much far from what he play live.

I hear many zep heads say Slash is a page wannabe.  :hihi:

To me the purple haziness in robins tone is far more amorous than slashes sloppiness or gary's all roundness. Yeah it has real tone. I see a spark of muse in there.
If you don't, never mind.  :peace: Just a matter of taste or time. you may well change your mind when you hear Robin more.

Robin has one of the most unique tones I've ever heard from a guitar player.    The dude is fucking amazing and the slasholes can try to deny it all they want.   They are wrong.

Robin belongs in GnR.

Once again...

I was talking about the actual video that I posted, his tone isn't similar to any of the guitarists mentioned otherwise.

He's got this own thing going on and I really like what I'm hearing.

which is love. :love:

Voodoo, I agree with Slash not being that "technical".  But he is enough for what he does.  But its how he blends the scales so seamlessly like Jeff Beck and plays the blues notes and other chromatics when it is time to haul ass.  Its almost like Slash is a jazz out of the box player some times.  And the solo after double talking jive, the exotic scales he is playing show cases his versitility.   Look at the live Patience from 1989 American Music Awards.  He is all over that neck and the note selection is awesome.  The playing from Appetite to Ain't Life Grande is really pretty top notch stuff.  He has toned down in someways in VR, but when he lets it rip, he is awesome.

Anyway, I am sure Fink will sound great in the studio and his bends and pitch will be perfect.

it's FINCK with a C before the K damn it  :rant: :rant:

:rofl: :rofl:

Killswitch?

For sure! Like Voodoo said, we already have proof, though. Axl just needs to show the world that.

dammit, estabanf, I spell Finck right some times.  My bad!!!!

The infamous "red button".

:hihi:

I've seen some people fighting cause of that! :rofl:
some people say 'its a killswitch' and other 'its the red button damnit'.





...and yes, the 'abusive' use of the red button annoys me sometimes. :-\

I remember coming away from our concert here in Detroit in 2002 and being inpressed as hell with Robin.  I thought his look was ofcourse a little strange but I loved his stage presence and feeling in his playing.

All of that has grown since then. When I went to Hammerstein in 06 I was flat out blown away by how much better he was. As I said, I was impressed before and then just BLOWN away.

I don't think there's anyone else in music he sounds like and that's a grea thing.

Which is the same in my opinion with Robin.

Look at The Blues solo, it's also all over the neck.

Also, I don't really think ALG is top notch, but oh well...

Are you being sarcastic? Because I think it's common sense that Slash also fuck up live... It happens, the only ones who take notice about this are people who over-analyse bootlegs and guitar players who forget about the whole just to wait for the next fuck up...  Anyways, this conversation about Robin's "slopness" were beat to dead here before...

No, I was talking about a lick he does when he shreds. You can hear it in almost every solo he plays.

I actually like the killswitch and I missed it on Better and TWAT live... :(

Bumblefoot used it when he played the ending in "There Was a Time".

I definitely agree on "Better", though.

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By the bootlegs, I couldn't hear it. He said once in a chat in another board that he would just turn off one of the pickups to emulate the sound, but I never heard he using it. But I guess Richard does use it sometimes in his solo act...

That may be, but I can still hear it.

:P

Ah, I didn't miss the killswitch (or red button) on TWAT, cause Ron made it sounds almost the same but I used to miss the killswitch on Better, but now Ron made his solo even cooler (you can hear in some of the July bootlegs), with a different ending that made me love his solo. And in the 'all that I wanted was', Ron plays a damn cool 'tapping thing' in the part that bucket used his killswitch, but it's always too low on the mix. :(
That being said, Ron uses a Flying V and Bucket uses his own guitar. I've seen people saying "Ron can't play like bucket on Better, he plays in a different way". They don't realize that they use different guitars, and it will not sound the same never.
I know you know this, but some people just don't realize, lol.
Whatever, we all know who the god is... :P

are you kidding? the solo's in serial kiler, lifes sweet drug, speed parade and the alien (which is a bonus track i think) are just awesome!? :o

im not trying to turn this into a slash vs everyone argument, but credit where credit is due man.

But personal taste is personal taste also. If he doesn't like the solos on ALG it might not have anything to do with anything other than his personal taste.

i think some people need to get used to the fact that slash hasn't been in the band for 11 years and isn't coming back.  get over it .

For some retarded reason that will never happen, people can't get out of the past.

People do need to get of the past.

It may seem at times that people on here dont appreciate the old band but that cant be true because any guns fan here cant deny that Slash was amazing in guns, wrote some of the greatest solo's ever and the new guys have huge boots to fill.  But i think they can do it. I think Robin is really creative but very sloppy at times (sometimes it seems intentional e.g. the blues demo where he stutters in the solo) I wish people could just stop bitchin and enjoy the music, past or present.

While im here, i think moments like the 12.20.06 los angeles piano jam prove to me the greatness that the new band could achieve. That jam alone is my favourite piece of music ive heard from the new guns

I do credit slash for what I like, but this album (which I bought back in 2000) never made me wanting to learn it how to play. In other hand, I did want to learn all the new GNR songs, so you get the point...

I guess it's a matter of facing the reality - Slash is gone. It's been more than 10 years. Since then, for good or better, we had some new songs by the new members (yeah, I know its all unreleased, but still) and this section is obviously about the current line-up.

It's like, if you didn't like that, if you still want Slash and so, there's other sections in this board to talk about this. It's past and we can do nothing about it (IMO, I don't even want to, I love the new band). I just can't see a reason to bring back this eternal bitter sadness about the absence of Slash in this section... Maybe these people should start to understand that, if they didn't like the new band (or just can't get it enough because of the "slashless"), it's ok, just leave it and move on. Both sides did it already.

You can like or dislike Robin by what he is, but not because he's not and never will be Slash. It's not about being better or worse, it's just different. And we already have enough proof of how Robin's work is, so it's time already to support or just leave it (I mean, just don't expect to be something that is not)...