Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JvFnBdNhQ1E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBsFAF635VQ
(Version #2)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lo0iHGWB1X0
(Acoustic)

Wasn't as bad as the last video they put out...

Also, what was up with that rose blooming near the end?

I was expecting something totally different but that's actually a pretty cool video...

What's with the piano ?

And a rose blooming.

Im suprised Stolat hasn't cought onto this one yet? : ok:? ? its obviously a responce to Axl from the message Slash recieved via the blue light during November Rain.? :hihi:



Quality video by the way. Really enjoyed it.

hahah priceless!

Tulips on the organ would be too elplicit.? Sound car crash...

II meant too explicit

wasnt this in memory of t his son ?

He did lose a brother to an overdose.

im confused? what response to axl. im trying to remember the november rain video and what blue light?? maybe im reading far too much into the vid but is there any real hidden meaning?

Nah, it was Stolat who read too much is the band's performances she saw on videos ;) You're fine :yes:

well nevermind then ;) but i cant see the video on yahoo. can anyone upload it somewhere else. maybe youtube or something like that???

I saw it? L I V E? at the show!


(with my own eyes)!

You saw something that's been happening at Guns N' Roses shows since 1991.

With the small difference that had different lights...

I really enjoyed the video of "The Last Fight" - talk about improvement.

Read the thread again, I described something more than just the "lighting".

Yeah, I forgot about the obvious message to Slash and that the band stopped playing for ten seconds.

Does anyone have a download link for this?

what message?!?!?! lol. im really trying to remember. can some one break this whole secert message thing down to me. and.. can somebody find the video other than on yahoo, thanks  :-*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dtoXpniOmA  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dtoXpniOmA)

I don't know. I prefer the SBQM vid. The only part I like is the topless chick really.? :P

I like it, overall I think is a great job, photography is really very good...

Great song and video.  : ok:

I think they did a good job with the camera angles for the band's performance scenes.   : ok:

Of course you do ::)

If you have nothing to contribute other than poking fun at other people's opinion, please don't post :P

I think the video's quite good. Am I the only one who found the way that Scott plays the piano weird? His hands don't move at all...

What! His hands don't move at all!? How bizarre!

Yes, it's too weird, Scott looks like very thin and his finger's movements it seems too fake, but the aestethic (?) is really beatiful...

MMmmm fake piano playing!

At the concert Axl did something quite funny with that one! On the screens we could see some fingers playing the piano and it kinda looked like Axl's jacket sleeves............but it was really Dizzy doing the playing!

Axl went HA HA and proceeded to play the intro to November Rain.....

wow, great video!
this might just become a big hit.

How did the song go on the charts?

The single hasn't been released yet, as far as I'm concerned.

I like the topless girl.  and the performance footage is good.

Scott pretending to play the piano was fucking lame.

the song is pretty mediocre and not really single material.  overall, just... no.

This song is "pretty mediocre"?  :drool:

What's happening in this world?   :no:

People can make up their own mind as they wish.

I could ask you the same thing when talking about other subjects.

Personally, I love the song and the video.

Wow, that was a great video!  The visual improves the song for me!

Great video, better song!!!! hope this one help this album to get the position it deserves

Yet another Fall To Pieces kind of bland ballad.


The video is very simple and doesn't stand out at all.

You'd think they'd go for something special considering the album isn't selling. Something that would make people want to see the video even if they didn't like the song.

But that kind of videos cost money..... Maybe RCA isn't interested in spending money on VR at this point.





So the ballads are what's supposed to make VR sell records? The bad add rock n' roll band is relying on ballads?


Yeah, as a guy once said "what's with the piano? I thought I joined a bad ass rock n' roll band". The irony.....




/jarmo

thats what the naked girl is for.  :hihi:




LOL  :rofl:

Bad add bands rule!

Jarmo, you make good points.  Its a simple song, I think that is what they are going for. 

The video must have been set in the time of the revolutionary war.  He sends her letters.  She goes to fight in war.  The people in the room all drink the wine but her.  Do they all die?  She leaves chairs, she lives, she takes off top and hangs out by the piano.  She took of the ring earlier cause she was mad at Scott, but after war, she does't care why she was mad and wants to move on?!?!

weiland looks ridiculous on this one.

maybe he ate too spicy.

Too little too late

This song or video don't have the impact Fall To Pieces had.


I think they should've went straight to "Messages" and re-released the album.

I think the vid fits the song fine, less is more so to speak.  Not a huge fan of the tune so the vid has no significance for me beyond putting an image to the song.

As for vids in general, they have next to zero impact on record sales here in the US anyway.

As for the irony of the piano, it's seems a bit of a reach to even call it ironic when comparing a couple of shots in a vid to actually rolling a grand piano out on stage in the middle of a rock show.

Messages would do better than Last Fight for sure

I quite liked it, the performance shots were good, Scott and the band looked cool singing the song, Scott looked weird at the piano though. Decent enough song/video but I don't expect it will start pulling up trees.

Jesus you know that people can change idea's as a 20 something saying the whole bad ass rock n roll thing i'd expect it , he's like 40 something now im sure he has changed views on a lot. Anyways video was good , the song itself isn't as good as messages but I still like it. The video is simple , but thats what I like about this band they are not trying to change the music scene , they aren't trying to do something drastic and completely different , they don't take 10 years to make a record perfect and unique. They are just a bad ass rock band , something this world is lacking right now. They play their music , and record it as is , its not perfect , its not clean. But since when has rock n roll been about perfection? It's always been about getting a guitar and letting people know your message.

Scott looks like a guy who can't play an instrument.

Oh please.

It's ironic that VR fans are hoping a ballad will "save" their new album from being a complete failure when the drummer made those remarks about the piano not belonging in a bad ass rock n' roll band.



Matt Sorum was 20-something in 2004?




/jarmo

the band doesn't look into it too much in fact, except Fraudy (les griffes de l'ennui, sorry a french bad joke)

the photography is good, i like the look of the guys, minus slash who seems a bit ill, pale, but maybe it is just me.
hope he's doing fine.

the big problem is not video, but the music. and i can understand slash & duff look pretty bored.

I don't think he can't play any instrument, in fact I don't think he can even sing

Good song, good enough video.  Nothing earth shattering, but I like it nonetheless.  Much better than SBQM, but then again that's not saying much.  I'm not gonna slam the band because I'm one of the few who actually like both VR and GNR, crazy huh?  I don't understand why most people have to be so adamantly opposed to one or the other, can't we enjoy both peacefully.  Just to note, I do PREFER GNR, I've seen them on both their North American tours but haven't ventured to see VR yet.

I love the song.  Video is okay...I truly haven't seen a mind blowing music video from any artist in quite some time.


Why have an "Ex-Gunners" forum if all you are going to do is shit on anything any of them ever does?
If I do recall...GnR relied heavily on ballads on UYI 1&2.  Don't Cry, November Rain and Estranged come to mind. 

goddamn it all the VR music videos suck in my opinion.  This shit looks super weak and lame.

That's incorrect.  Videos help to push the single up the charts which pushes the album's sales up.  It's not as strong a push as before file sharing, but still, they help.

As for the vid, I was pleasantly surprised, it was Fall to Pieces-ish, but a bit more mature with a better tone and overall mood.  And the performance stuff was great.  And I loved Matt's part in front of the wall, and then walking away.

The problem is that most of you have already made up your minds on the quality of the song/record/band before even giving the video a chance, whereas the general public hasn't, that's why there is hope that the single will do well and the record sales will improve.

this song is probably the one that will push libertad to the 500k marker in the next 6 months. VH1 will play this video to death just like the fall to pieces video

Libertad is awesome, I love this album, I listen to it everyday


Problem is


It really isnt a SINGLES album


There isn't one song on the album *Messages wasn't included" that really is a universal everyone can relate and get behind kind of song.


FTP struck a chord, Slither struck a chord with the buying public. They were songs everyone could get wrapped around.


Libertad rocks but the songs are just straightforward kick ass rock but nothing that really is HUGE HUGE hit worthy. Last fight is probably one of my least fav songs on the album.

I really don't get why everyone is praising FTP?, I hate the song it's a fucking cheesy ballad accompanied by an even worse video....

I highly doubt that, and as much as I prefer libertad over contraband, this video doesn't touch the one for fall to pieces.  As someone said, Libertad definitely doesn't have the big standout single songs, and the fall to pieces video just caught your attention.  It had scott and his actual wife, how much more genuine can you get than that, ways of representing each band member (matt's antics, duff helping scott, slash looking cool and getting adequate camera time for his solo).  I don't care about sales personally, I think libertad is a great great album, the only reasons I want good sales, is so that they continue as a band because they are one of my favorites, and so it doesn't give ammo to the annoying people that hate VR so much they need to bash them like jarmo and something blues dude.

IMO the FTP video was much better. Scott looks much more original in that.

Well, I liked it ;)

No need to bring another band into this thanks. Besides there's nothing wrong with ballads.

Unless you're Matt "drummer boy" Sorum and you joined a bad ass rock n' roll band.






Exactly. If videos are useless, why are artists still making them?

Videos might have lost the power they once had due to MTV not being MTV anymore. But without a proper video you don't get your single played on music channels. Plus there's nothing to put on Youtube.




/jarmo

Jarmo,. you're such a tool for Axl.....do you dream of him

I love VR, so no one can call me a hater


but mentioning NR and Estranged in the same breath as any VR song let a lone a ?ballad is pure ridiculous and moronic.

I agree, neither are ballads in my mind especially not "Estranged".  "The Last Fight" and "Fall to Pieces" are far more balladish (I just made up a word), "The Blues" too.

I think he meant that VR's music isn't in the same league quality-wise as Estranged or NR....



Here's to another great thread in the Velvet Revolver section!   :beer:   ::)

Unfortunately you're dead wrong about him being able to play instruments.  Credits from his solo album:

Desperation #5:
   Scott Weiland - Voices, Beat Box, Guitars, Piano, Vibraphone, Percussion
   Daniel Lanois - Synth
   Tony Castaneda - Guitars, Bass
   Blair Lamb - Beat Box

Barbarella -intro-:
   Scott Weiland - Voices, Piano, Percussion
   Martyn LeNoble - Bass
   Victor Indrizzo - Piano, Drums, Guitar
   Tony Castaneda - Guitar
   Susie Katayama - Cello
   Joel Derouin - Violin
   Robin Lorentz - Violin
   Novi Novog - Viola

Barbarella:
   Scott Weiland - Voices, Beat Box, Piano, Synth, Percussion, Add. Guitars
   Daniel Lanois - Guitar
   Peter DiStefano - Guitar, Ethereal Guitar, Bass
   Holy Reiger - Guitar
   Michael Weiland - Acoustic Drum Loop
   Victor Indrizzo - High Hat
   Tony Castaneda - Guitar, Slide Guitar Solo
   Martyn LeNoble - Bass

About Nothing:
   Scott Weiland - Voices, Guitars, Godzilla Guitars, Synth, Percussion, Beat Box
   Victor Indrizzo - Guitar, Drums, Percussion
   Tim Gilman - Galactic Surf Guitar
   Tony Castaneda - Guitars, Bass
   Tracy Chisholm - Theramin
   Martyn LeNoble - Bass

Where's The Man:
   Scott Weiland - Voices, Electirc Guitars, Synths, Percussion
   Victor Indrizzo - Electric and Acoustic Guitars, Hammond Organ, Piano, Drums
   Martyn LeNoble - Bass, Cello
   Michael Weiland - Percussion

Divider:
   Scott Weiland - Voices, Vibraphone, Percussion
   Victor Indrizzo - Drums, Guitars, Mellotron, Piano
   Brad Mehldau - Piano
   Martyn LeNoble - Bass
   Michael Weiland - Percussion

Cool Kiss
   Scott Weiland - Voices, Beat Box, Guitar FX, Mellotron, Synth, Percussion
   Victor Indrizzo - Bass, Electric and Acoustic Guitars, Drums, Keyboards, Percussion
   Michael Weiland - Percussion

The Date:
   Scott Weiland - Voices, Drums, Guitars, Synths, Percussion, Bass, Piano

Son:
   Scott Weiland - Voices, Percussion
   Victor Indrizzo - Acoustic and Electric Guitars, Piano, Drums
   Martyn LeNoble - Bass, Cello
   Michael Weiland - Percussion

Jimmy Was A Stimulator:
   Scott Weiland - Voices, Synths, Beat Box, Drum Loop, Synth Bass
   Victor Indrizzo - Drums, Keyboards, Guitars, Electric Fuzz Piano
   Blair Lamb - Drum Loop
   Tracy Chisholm - Theramin
   Michael Weiland - Percussion

Lady, Your Roof Brings Me Down:
   Scott Weiland - Voices, Synths
   Victor Indrizzo - Piano, Guitars, Drums, Vocals, String Arrangements
   Martyn LeNoble - Bass
   Sheryl Crow - Accordion
   Susie Katayama - Cello
   Joel Derouin - Violin
   Robin Lorentz - Violin
   Novi Novog - Viola

Mockingbird Girl:
   Scott Weiland - Voices, Beat Box, Synths, Percussion, Add. Guitars
   Victor Indrizzo - Guitars, Drums
   Martyn LeNoble - Bass
   Brad Mehldau - Keyboards
   Tim Gilman - Guitar

Opposite Octave Reaction:
   Scott Weiland - Voices, Synth Bass
   Victor Indrizzo - Drums, Guitars
   Martyn LeNoble - Bass
   Zander Schloss - Guitar
   Jeff Nolan - Guitar
   Peter DiStefano - Guitar, Guitar Synth

What? so he presses buttons does he?

Agreed

You Got No Right with a video, though not on an Estanged Level, surely is above a Don't Cry.  You Got No Right is probably VR's best all around song.

Question: What do you do when your favorite bad ass rock n' roll band's tour is failing, the album doesn't sell, the new video is boring and the GN'R reunion you keep having wet dreams about isn't happening?

Answer: You try to find comfort in insulting others who don't share your miserable life or opinions.  : ok:



Please note: This GN'R mention and insult was once again posted by a "old GN'R fan" in the VR section. Who's ruining the threads for you....




/jarmo

Is the above question for a VR fan or a GNR?  It can be equally applied to both.  Neither can sell out Arenas in US.  One has a CD that is not selling well.  The other has a CD that is not selling well cause its not released.  The one tour, though not selling out, is comparable to the last US tour the other band did. 

Does anyone have the US/Canada touring stats for VR-real stats from Pollstar? Gnr averaged 8600 a night on the 2002 US/Canada tour and about the same on the 2006 US/Canada tour. Show me some figures Smoking or Jarmo.....

Presses buttons?  Maybe for drum loops and synths and what not, but why ignore the guitars, percussion, mellotron, vibraphones, and piano that are credited.  Whether you like him or not, Scott is a fairly creative and talented guy.  Maybe not your style, but to effectively argue a position you must be willing to grant the other side some valid points.  Otherwise you appear to have an agenda.

WOW thats low there is nothing wrong with ballads UNLESS you are velvet revolver is basically what you are saying. The band is simple rock n roll nothing more.

Jarmo is a tool for Axl.

Axl is jealous of Velvet Revolver.

Ergo, Jarmo is jealous of Velvet Revolver.

I'm a VR fan and I said/hoped nothing of the sort, the album seems as though it's tanked and that's that.

As for the piano, yes Matt said that in '04 echoing sentiments he felt when he joined the band some 17 years ago. ?Hell, I thought the same thing 17 years ago. ?I remember seeing them in '87 and thinking 'holy shit, these guys know what it's all about" then seeing them again in '92 and thinking "What the fuck?"

Until VR rolls a grand piano out in a live setting, I just don't think ironic is the right term or even a point of contention.

If and when they do, I'll do as I did in '92. ?

Roll my eyes and head to the pisser, now that would be ironic.


 

The problem is that they don't have anybody who could pull it off.....

Until they do, you can enjoy your Fall To Pieces and Last Fights.





FYI: I've stopped responding to your posts.

It's a waste of time.





/jarmo

hahha so what you are saying is

" ballads are no problem , except vr since matt sorum is in it" because sorum said that he joined a band thinking it was going to be bad ass r n r and axl was writing an orchestral masterpiece with piano's and such. No the problem is , they dont have anyone that can pull it off. I very much well enjoy FTP and last fight.
FYI: This site has some of the worst moderation I've seen anywhere on the internet.

Coming from you, that's a compliment. Thank you.




/jarmo

I love the song to death, the video is cool but I am a bigger fan of something of the nature of FTP's.. I'm just glad vr keeps trucking along, I hope this video gets some air time and it helps propel the group in comparison with the harrobile ock music being released staying popular..

Agreed.. Just such a good song, I have been listening to it daily along with songs like gravedancer mary mary leti it roll and sbqm, very good album and excellent effort by the guys..

Yes I'm sure it is. Anyways good band , good songs , good live shows. The way a REAL rock band should do it.

How does axl always get into these fucking threads, god damn so sick of that already.. :-\ :-X It's avelvet revolver song, I guess a piano was in the video so it had to be tied to axl.. Maybe we can throw elton freddy mercury and maybe liberace

how about; great band, amazing songs, incredible live shows! the way the BEST rock band should do it...

I'm not sure if I'd characterize that way, I'm sure if the band/Scott wrote a piano driven ballad he'd be fully capable of performing it in a live setting.?

What would lead you to believe he couldn't?



I really don't care for either song that much, just not my cup of rock.

How is it ironic?  Matt Sorum says he doesn't think they should be playing pianos. Scott Weiland plays piano. Two different people. Where's the irony? ???

I don't think we should be surprised anymore that Matt and Scott don't agree on everything - we know that by now. Its by no means ironic. A band doesn't have to agree with everything one person does in order to be good - sometimes its good if everyone has an opinion and i'm sure VR argue about lots of stuff. Much better than one guy calling the shots and everyone else just saying "ok".

Also, I think I remember the full quote was Matt was wondering "what's with the piano" but then he heard November Rain and liked it and realised what Axl was like as a visionary. Not from Behind The Music, he said it somewhere else, I read it somewhere recently.

As for the ballads, it definately seems Slash and Matt have developed a taste for ballads they didn't really have before.

Just saw the Last Fight video, and it's a vast improvement on the cheese that is the She Builds Quick Machines video.
But there are some odd moments like Scott sitting at the piano (is he even playing anything?) and the chick sitting there topless reading the letter... but man, she's a hottie, so I'm ok with that. : ok:

Cool to see Slash playing something other than a Les Paul too.

Here is my opinion

I think Slash,Duff etc are realizing that all lead singers are a bit difficult in some aspects.? I think they are realizing that they basically left a hall of famer all time great for a good frontman who is every bit if not more difficult than Axl.

They are probably realizing now they are clean and sober how bad they truly fucked up.


I don't understand how Axl is perceived to be "difficult" though. To me it's not like Slash? wasn't able to pretty much play and write whatever he wanted. Axl just wanted Slash to be the best he knew he could be and refused to let Slash skate by. I see nothing wrong with that.

Slash is like that superstar athlete that just needs a great coach to light a fire under his ass to get his full potential. Axl was the Vince Lombardi of frontmen in that aspect.


Last Fight is one of my least fav songs on the album and that video is nothing special. FTP was amazing video wise cause it was so true to life and it just had that something that made your hair stand up.

This video is an average by t he numbers video that has NO replay value whatsoever. I watched it once, I don't need to see it again.

When I hear this song, I am just wondering where the fuck the black female church choir is.......... and for rock n roll, thats not good.

I agree with the Axl coach regard but in the same sense a coach needs the right team see what im saying? I dont think they are realizing anything with sobriety. Axl wanted to take it in a whole new direction and thats why they left , come on could you see slash playing Better?? IRS?

Let's try to bring this back to topic guys, lots of "why they left" and whatnot discussions all over the board.

Thank you.

 I think Scott is imposing his will onto the band now. I think with Contraband, Scott was so willing to do anything to be helped that he may have let the Guns guys do their own thing a bit.

I think on Libertad, its more of a Scott record overall. The fact Scott got HIS producer essentially and the songs are further away from the GNR side than CB.

The riffs and songs rock but not in a way we know Slash is capable. Its like SLash is doing the radio friendly 20 second solo spots in most of the songs instead of unleashing the fury we know he can.



SORRY FALCON for draggin that off topic.

I doubt that , Scott didn't get HIS producer? Slash talked to B O'B about it , he said he didn't like the STP guitar sounds but he knew he could get the right tone out of them. Just because its not GNR sounding doesn't mean its scott , Slash went for a whole different approach this time. The record was supposed to be chill and calm , I want more in your face stuff too.

This video is good, and it will make that libertad sells more

But its nothing spetial

Libertad is a bad record with borred songs

except for 2 or 3 songs maybe

And yeah, is so ridiculous matt talkin in "behind the music" about GNR
"i didnt come to a rock band for playing songs with a PIANO"
And now............................ well  :beer:

Cool video for a cool song. I could careless if the album sells or not I enjoy it that is all that matters to me.

It is a shame how some people are so negative toward the old guys. Jarmo  :yes:

Boohoo. I don't like the video so I'm negative.


Since this video is so special, I assume it'll win a lot of awards and be talked about as an excellent example of modern music video making.  :yes:



#1: I don't think the song is cool
#2: I don't think the video is cool.

I think they've done better videos. For example Fall To Pieces was better than this one.



/jarmo

I love VR, but their videos are all on the generic side. Last Fight is no exception. I feel like by the end of the 90's music videos started to take a dive in creativity.

Good video, really good song.

And as far as the stupid piano bullshit everyones going on about. Its a scene in the video, I dont hear it in the song myself its just a feature of the video. So whatever anyones saying about it its all fuckin stupid. Just another reason for people to bring Axl Rose into the discussion and slag Matt Sorum off. Yet again just boring....

That's fair....


That's bullshit.

I've already said it somewhere in this section... but the non-VR fans will use the fact that the album doesn't sell or doesn't win awards as "proof" that it's no good, whereas if it's an artist they like album sales and awards are the perfect way to prove just how great they are.  Of course for the actual fans of VR, album sales don't matter as long as THEY like it, and if it IS popular, they can rub that fact in as "proof" that it's good.

I think VR is a "bad ass rock and roll band"... look at how much trouble they cause on a message board.  ::)

Since when do you care about awards, you're the one who is always saying that those things don't mean a thing...

Just putting things into perspective. Apparently this video is amazing and brilliant.

Usually amazing and brilliant videos get noticed by people who aren't fans of the band/artist.



/jarmo

So if a song gets a video award the video is amazing and brilliant

so that makes

The All-American Rejects ? "Move Along"
 AFI ? "Miss Murder"

Chamillionaire (featuring Krayzie Bone) ? "Ridin'"

All winners of awards , amazing and brilliant videos? Nice to know jarmo.

Way to take things out of context.

As usual, you have no clue about what I'm talking about.  : ok:


I guess a video like Pearl Jam's "Jeremy" sucks because it won a bunch of awards in 1992.

It's nothing compared to Last Fight.

Or Johnny Cash's "Hurt", which didn't win anything. It's nothing. Nobody has seen it or even recognized it as a great video.


But Velvet Revolver's "Last Fight". Now there's a model for all music videos.  :drool:




/jarmo

I see no end to this argument, as everyones comments are taken out of context, or seen as hyopocritical in regards to what they've said before  :hihi:

I think we can all agree its a relatively good video, not amazing by any means, its a pretty good song. Chances are it won't help VR sell a million copies, as some have suggested. It might be nominated for an award, but it probably won't win. Its just an average video, from a good band, that has done better.

If you're a fan of it, just enjoy it, it doesn't have to sell to be liked. And just cause it sells doesn't mean its good.

^I agree with you.  It is a good video...not an amazing one.  It is a good song...not an amazing one.  I like both.  It seems many on here just revel in putting former members down and shitting on anything they do.  This shouldn't even be an argument.  It isn't even a healthy discussion.  It is like a school yard fight over who's dad is better.

That was your whole idea , I didn't say it you did. You said usually they get awards , those videos did are they great and brilliant? Cash's hurt didnt get nothing does that make it a crappy video , according to jarmo logic it does,

What the fuck are you talking about?


I'm not saying winning awards makes a video great. I'm saying since you all claim this mediocre piece of video art is "brilliant" and "amazing", I expect it to get a lot of interest from people who aren't VR fans.

Who knows, maybe it'll make some "best videos of the decade" lists too.



People are throwing around words like brilliant way too often around Velvet Revolver. Obviously you don't agree with that since you're arguing. Or maybe you're arguing only because you don't understand anything said in this thread?




/jarmo

You said great videos win awards. But obviously now you dont feel like that...

Are you really gonna argue with me that great videos never have won any awards?

Are you serious?


Of course great videos have won awards and I don't think I'm wrong if I predict that in the future some great videos will win even more awards.





/jarmo

But a video winning an award doesn't make it great.

Therefore , VR not winning award doesn't make it any less of a great video.

Nothing can change the fact that it's not a ground breaking video that stands out in any way among the rest of the videos that have come out in 2007.


I'm glad you're happy with this.

I just have standards.




/jarmo

I vote for Lock of this thread.

Just like anything else artistic, it's all subjective.

If brilliance is seen for some, respect their opinion.

If someone thinks it sucks, respect theirs.

Semantic arguments never come to any mutually agreed conclusion, they only tend to reflect the participants pre conceptions and biases from their respective sides.

If you think the vid's great, cool.

If you think it blows, fine.

It's just a fucking video, they have had little impact on the business of music for quite some time now.

I think VR just really dropped the ball with this album now SBQM shouldn't of been a single it should of been Get Out The Door to start it off and now they really did themselves in with The Last Fight video this had the potential be a top 5 song but with ok video ( its better than SBMQ) but with Matt looking like little drummer boy and scott trying to play the piano I mean COME ON !!!

now if im RCA here's what I would of done

1. First single Get Out The Door
2. Last Fight ( they got one right
3. third single Mary Mary
4. GraveDancer

I really love the song the last fight. : ok: The video is good and i quite like it but Scott looks bad sitting on the piano it would be ok if he WAS playing but its just looks a bit odd for me.....i dident know there was piano in the song.. :peace:
Scott should just keep on singing with the mic and doing the cool dancing he does..The rest of the videos fine with me.. : ok:
I think after hearing this on the radio a few times people will LOVE it..I think its a great song. :hihi:

Not to harp but he joined gnr that did afd, that's probably the one he was expecting.. Just cause a piano makes it in a video to a group he's an original member doesn't prove anything or mean anything about what he said in BTM. What's he was joining in 90-91 isn't the same as what he's doing now as a player in his own band..
I agree the video is nothing spexial.. I think it's more artsy fartsy type shit scott likes and to him it's great.. Love when the band plays on stage... Maybe it's something like the white stripes,. simple and people love it.. There's tons of stupid videos out there like CLoser but peole like them, all individual tastes.. As long as the song rocks that's what counts for me..

Im happy with this and I have standards too. Sucks they don't meet yours doesn't mean you have to subject us to your constant bitching on vr but hey w.e.

Mary Mary isn't a good choice, just sixteen would be better and it probably will be the next single.

the video suits the song, stripped down, very simple, doesn't have to be groundbreaking. it just has to suit the song.

anybody notice at the end of the video, the rose in the piano!

whats that about????

And the red bandanas.... QUICK, SOMEBODY FIND A PAIR OF TIGHT SHORTS!  :rofl:

find comfort in insulting others.....wtf are you talking about?

I don't insult GnR Fans.....

I may disagree with them on the merits of the re-tooled band based on the 10 or so tracks I've heard from them.....but to you, disagreeing is an insult?


the GN'R reunion you keep having wet dreams ....sorry bro, I don't get a hard-on for guys, only girls

and I don't have wet dreams about a GnR reunion.....or any other band for that matter....

but I am frustrated by the lack of new material from GnR because I do enjoy Axl's music and I think he may be apprehensive about releasing an album after 16 years....especially doing so under the GnR name......because he may have the legal right to the name, I think he understands the contributions to the name GnR the others have made....and the "legacy" they helped to create....

if thats an insult, oh well

as for the tone of your posts, they are far more insulting to other members than mine are, GnR or VR fans

I find the childish name calling and constant put downs quite amusing.

Velvet Revolver fans cannot co-exist with New Guns n Roses fans.  It is against the laws of the universe or something. 

Just close the Velvet Revolver thread all together...it is quite obvious the "leader" of this site has a big hate on for the band, so gt rid of the VR forum.  Might as well...VR fans can't seem to engage in pleasant conversation about the band without someone hijacking it and spewing their disgust with the band,  Having it seems pointless...

next single?

no way....not in this day and age, with the way popular music rules the charts.....you need a pop-ish chorus line to get noticed anywhere...

i would have gone for:

1. Psycho Killer
2. Just Sixteen
3. Last Fight

teens and emo rock fans would have gotten into those songs with ease....and that's the majority of your market with spending power....

THIS WOULD BE IT for the releases of singles.

1. LET IT ROLL

2. SBQM

3 GRAVEDANCER

4. AMERICAN MAN

there's a fan club only alternate version of the video up on the VR site.

if anyone could rip this i would be greatful

Alan, this version makes a lot more sense!  Pretty cool.  Dave, Duff, and Slash are all featured more and have roles.  Matt's role is expanded.

I liked the video, i dont see anything "wrong" with the video.

i've not seen it. so if you'd be so kind as to rip it  ;D

I have no clue how to rip it.

ah well.