Here Today... Gone To Hell!

LOL!!!

FOR THE LOVE OF THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!!!!!

I can't stop laughing!

Lewd conduct in men's room (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20467347/)

Man and I thought Alberto was the only one going down today!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is too much!!!!

its pretty surreal.  how many threads are we going to have about these guys!  :hihi:

Hey man, I think I changed my mind. I believe in God now, and I think she has a great sense of humor!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: George Michael has got NOTHING on these guys!!!

(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4102/wham1re6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

What is it with these guys?

At 1216 hours, Craig tapped his right foot. I recognized this as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct. Craig tapped his toes several times and moves his foot closer to my foot.... The presence of others did not seem to deter Craig as he moved his right foot so that it touched the side of my left foot which was within my stall area. Craig then proceeded to swipe his hand under the stall divider several times.

So what this whole GOP take on homosexuality is.......it's wrong and immoral and against all of God's wishes.....UNLESS, you're doing it in a public bathroom for money or with underage boys?  At least that's what I'm gathering from all my research so far.  It's wrong and they're fighting against it tooth and nail, but the minute they're off the clock...they're on the co...well you know where I'm going with that.  Either way, I'm almost afraid to use any public restrooms now in fear of Dick Cheney trying to pull a "C-Bass" on me!

From "Meet The Press," 1999:

and Clinton being a naughty boy has to do with?....

Well you know, naughty boy for Senator Craig is basically:

(http://neubranderinc.com/images/Mr_Slave.jpg)

What! he's one of the village people!!  :o

He's Mr. Slave silly, jeethus christ!

Look like a biker(e) to me......

the totall hypocrisy of these bathroom cruising republicans that seem to be coming out of the wood work.  at least Bill was with a woman!

That post was hysterical Booker.  It actually sounded like something from a south park episode.

"the president is a very naughty boy!"hahahah

"fuckin fags, fags cant married, fags cant adopt children, fucking fags" LOL mr garrison.

Man I find that word offensive!

its a quote from south park, i was continueing his joke, calm down.

I'm sure there's a 2 man stall available for those guys

She's ok it's just the headband is wrapped a little too tight.  Lighten up please.

Maybe he needed to borrow some toilet paper.  He needed just a 1 square oh and a handie.

GOP Senator Pleaded Guilty After Restroom Arrest
Idaho's Craig Denies 'Inappropriate Conduct,' Says He Regrets Entering Plea

By Paul Kane and Shailagh Murray
washingtonpost.com Staff Writer and Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 28, 2007; A01



Sen. Larry E. Craig pleaded guilty earlier this month to misdemeanor disorderly-conduct charges stemming from his June arrest by an undercover police officer in a men's restroom at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, a court spokeswoman and the senator's office said yesterday.

Craig issued a statement confirming his arrest and guilty plea, which were reported in the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call. But the Idaho Republican maintained that he had not engaged in any "inappropriate conduct" and that the airport police misunderstood his behavior.

"At the time of this incident, I complained to the police that they were misconstruing my actions. I was not involved in any inappropriate conduct," Craig said. "I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously."

Now in his third term, Craig, 62, has been a member of the Senate Republican leadership and ran unsuccessfully in 2002 to become the GOP whip, the No. 2 leadership job. He has been a prominent figure on gun rights and Western land issues, and he resigned yesterday as Idaho chairman of the presidential campaign of former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney (R).

Craig "did not want to be a distraction," said Romney spokesman Matt Rhoades, "and we accept his decision."

Roll Call, citing a copy of a report by airport police, said officers had been conducting a sting operation inside the men's room because of complaints of sexual activity there. The police report gives this account of the arrest:

The undercover officer was monitoring the restroom on June 11. A few minutes after noon, Craig entered and sat in the stall next to him. Craig began tapping his right foot, touched his right foot to the left foot of the officer and brushed his hand beneath the partition between them. He was then arrested.

While he was being interviewed about the incident, Craig gave police a business card showing that he is a U.S. senator. "What do you think about that?" Craig asked the officer, according to the report obtained by Roll Call.

Airport police declined to comment last night. Nancy Peters, a spokeswoman for the Hennepin County District Court, confirmed the charges. She said Craig paid $500 in fines and was placed on one year's probation, beginning Aug. 8, the date he pleaded guilty. He could face an additional $500 in fines and a 10-day jail sentence if he violates probation.

Senate GOP leaders said yesterday that they were shocked by the news but declined to comment further. "We just found out about this incident late this afternoon," said Josh Holmes, a spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

Because Craig pleaded guilty to a crime, the incident may be reviewed by the Senate ethics committee. Its chairman, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), declined to comment last night.

In 2006, a gay activist said he had spoken with men who had sexual encounters with Craig, including in the restrooms at Union Station. Craig's office told the Spokesman-Review of Spokane, Wash., that the allegations were "completely ridiculous."

The activist, Mike Rogers, who runs the Web site BlogActive.com, has complained about Craig's opposition to gay rights. The conservative senator has supported an amendment to the Constitution banning same-sex marriage and voted for the Defense of Marriage Act in the 1990s. Craig, who served in the National Guard, has also spoken out against homosexuals serving in the military.
Craig was a member of the "Singing Senators," a now-defunct Republican barbershop quartet. It included Sen. Trent Lott (Miss.) and then-Sen. John D. Ashcroft (Mo.), who broke up the group when he was named attorney general.

Craig was chairman of the Republican Policy Committee, the fourth-ranking GOP leadership job, from 1996 to 2002. He also played a prominent role in recent immigration battles, championing rights for illegal farmworkers -- an advocacy that made the staunch conservative an unlikely target of groups opposing illegal immigrants.

Craig is married and has three grown children. He will complete his third Senate term next year, after serving 10 years in the House, and speculation has swirled for months that he may retire. Spokesman Dan Whiting said the senator will announce his decision this fall.

On June 30, Craig reported $550,000 in the bank for a reelection race, a healthy sum in the heavily Republican state.

His leading Democratic challenger is former congressman Larry LaRocco, a Boise banker and onetime Senate staffer. He already is campaigning aggressively, baling hay and laying pipe on a "Working for the Senate" tour. LaRocco reported raising $80,000 through June 30 and has lost repeated attempts at state office, including a House race to Craig in 1982 and a bid for lieutenant governor in November. He served two terms in the House in the early 1990s.

On the Republican side, if Craig does not run again, one colorful match could pit veterinarian Rex Rammell against Jim Risch, who as governor had ordered state officials to kill elk that had escaped from Rammell's ranch, in order to prevent the possible spread of disease. Rammell was arrested in September 2006 after scuffling with state wildlife officials, but he was acquitted and later sued the state for $1.3 million, according to the Idaho Statesman newspaper.

Risch has said he is interested in Craig's seat if the senator retires. Another potential GOP candidate is Rep. Mike Simpson.

Staff researcher Madonna Lebling contributed to this report.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/27/AR2007082701235_pf.html

i don't get how these guys can hate what they are SO much.  I ALMOST feel bad for them in a way.  it must be hell to be living a lie.

Like all the others before him, the hypocrisy of his actions, his votes, his participation in his party's onslaught against a person's private lives (which totally pisses me off, even before they get caught doing the same thing) put him front and center to be dissected.

These guys (with exception of the pedophiles) are great examples of why their party's views on gay marriage is stupid. If the sap was allowed to live his life the way he was created in the first place, he wouldn't be skulking around bathrooms stalls cruising for dicks to suck on. But he chose to be part of a national disgrace, today's Republican party,  an intolerant group of (sexual) bigots, who refuse to accept homosexuality is just part of natural human life.

I love the silence from the republicans on this board right now. They've been chumped out once again by their phony leaders who pretend to be "family men" during the day, as the walk the wild side down at the public toilet at night.

Right on.

This might even be worse the what happened with what's-his-face last year, as this guy is in the Senate.

I'd like to begin a petition this afternoon to name interstate highway restrooms for well known Republicans.

When I'm done with a little work, I think I'll get this thing rolling.  :hihi:

Dude I had to just play on your comment because it had all the ingridients to make me laugh. ?It's true and yes as a registered republican the only one out of 7 siblings it sickens me. ?You can agree with me though, if a statement that all Republicans run on moral cause would say the opposite of the Democrats? ?No of course not they all have the moral cause mantra. ?In fact it shouldn't be a mantra it should be true. ?The fact of the matter is that most in either party including Independents, don't give 2 shits about me or you. ?When the camera lights go out they dine together on our dime.? Try and get a straight answer from any party. ?I only have gotten straight answers or at least an ear as I have previously posted. ?Edit: 2 Democrats Mayor Ed Koch & Clair Schulman (I remembered her after I originally posted) 2 Republicans Rep.Peter King and yes President Ronald Reagan. ?His was more of just interested in what I had to say when he visited my location at the time, however rembered me a year later. ?So I liked him for being genuine and remembering why and where we had met. ?Ironic that he would lose his mind some years later. ?Times have changed it seems like there is no middle ground between parties anymore. ?There is too much of a give me what I want or I'll take my toys and leave mentality in government or that's what they want you to believe.? It's all about who has the most power.? By no means is the USA the worst as far as politics goes, it's the king of the mountain game.
? ? ?I understand your point though regarding the politicians who seem to get caught with their dick where they shouldn't are the same guys so against gay marriage or whatever the cause. ?Maybe they believe that they're not gay but they like to go down low so no one has to know; like some rappers claim. ?I really don't care about gay marriage and I'm not a Holy Roller although I do belong to a RC Church. ?I pray how I want to pray and believe in what I want to believe in. ?I'm no sheep, sheep are weak minded or a food source.
 ? I don't like to be told how to do things by any party, if I personally don't agree. ?I don't bash Rebublicans, Consevatives, Democrats or Liberals either, if their beliefs are true to them and not off the wall conspiracy theorists. ?If they are off the wall and one way then I'd rather not discuss their point of view or mine.
? ?I will never entertain someone egging me on just for the sake of arguing. ?I don't have to, I've earned that right by serving my country with Republicans Conservatives and Liberal Democrats by my side. ?We choose to serve because that's our calling maybe. ?While in the course of battle one doesn't argue with his teamate over a politicians belief or comments because they are irrelevant to the task at hand at that moment. ?
 ? ? I see the idiocy from both sides when you guys start getting each other into a lather over stuff that doesn't really matter to the topic at hand or matter at all. ?It's comical but at the same time pointless to me at least. ?Maybe I'm older and have seen more to let it bother me.
? ?What will bother me is to bash anyone serving or those that have served in the military and by no means have I ever seen anyone here do that, with the exception of a few empty suits. ?To them and anyone critical of our men and women I'll borrow a line from "A Few Good Men" And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
 ? ? In any event let the pedofiles be castrated and true liars be eliminated. ?So on with the show with the dim whitted if you feel the need and yes sometimes you have to belittle the "Dim" whitted.? Enough said?

You lost me after:

Yeah I had some time to kill so it was a bit long winded.

I love when people quote this:
I'll borrow a line from "A Few Good Men" And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.


Nicholson's character LOST THE CASE!

As for the words themselves, I challenge those who STILL support the war to be the ones to pick up a rifle and stand a post.  I also tend to agree with them (to some extent).  But I don't want to know about it.  If you are going to walk the fine line between right and wrong and you get caught, you have to own up to it.  If our gov't and/or troops are doing things that are BLATANTLY wrong then thats just so uncool :(

This frightens me a little.  As a white guy who can keep a beat, I tap my foot in time to the music in my head (and the voices...Oh, God, the voices!) all the time.  I guess I'll have to remember that foot tapping is not an acceptable men's room behavior, unless you want to utilize the glory hole.

Of course, I'd swipe my hand under the divider too, were I out of TP. 

This case is but scrapping the surface of what is broad and extremely perverted sexual practices among top level officials and corporate executives. 

The Discovery Channel made a documentary about it in the early 90s, at the last minute the film was pulled from airing due to massive pressure from above.

Conspiracy Of Silence

http://www.franklincase.org/silence.htm

Not for the faint hearted.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/...vil_Rights.htm


Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage.

Reference: Marriage Protection Amendment; Bill S. J. Res. 1 ; vote number 2006-163 on Jun 7, 2006

Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes.

Reference: Bill S.625 ; vote number 2002-147 on Jun 11, 2002

Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation.

Reference: Bill S.2549 ; vote number 2000-136 on Jun 20, 2000

Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage.
Reference: Bill HR 3396 ; vote number 1996-280 on Sep 10, 1996

Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation.
Reference: Flag Desecration Bill; Bill S. J. Res. 31 ; vote number 1995-600 on Dec 12, 1995

Romney throws Craig under bus


In his first public comments since word of Larry Craig's arrest broke yesterday, Mitt Romney unloaded on his former backer, calling reports that the Idaho senator allegedly solicited an undercover cop in an airport bathroom "disgusting." 

"Once again, we've found people in Washington have not lived up to the level of respect and dignity that we would expect for somebody that gets elected to a position of high influence," Romney told CNBC's Larry Kudlow in a broadcast to be aired later. "Very disappointing. He's no longer associated with my campaign, as you can imagine. ... I'm sorry to see that he has fallen short."

Craig was one of Romney's top two backers in the Senate and had worked to round up support there for the former governor. After Craig's bathroom encounter was reported, the Romney campaign moved to distance itself from the Idahoan, issuing a terse statement last night that it was no longer associated with Craig and that it didn't want the senator to be a distraction. 

But the candidate himself went much further today, seeking to tie Craig's alleged search for a gay liasion to the broader pattern of corruption permeating Washington in recent years.

"I think it reminds us of Mark Foley and Bill Clinton," Romney told Kudlow, in remarks reported on the network's First Read blog. "I think it reminds us of the fact that people who are elected to public office continue to disappoint, and they somehow think that if they vote the right way on issues of significance or they can speak a good game, that we'll just forgive and forget."

"And the truth of the matter is, the most important thing we expect from... an elected official is a level of dignity and character that we can point to for our kids and our grandkids, and say, `Hey, someday I hope you grow up and you're someone like that person.' And we've seen disappointment in the White House, we've seen it in the Senate, we've seen it in Congress. And frankly, it's disgusting."

Romney's quick move to not even give an early supporter the benefit of the doubt reflects two apparent calculations. First, the lurid details of this story and past whisperings about Craig make him politically radioactive right now. Locked in a wide open battle for president, a candidate who has so emphasized his traditional family and broader family values the way Romney has can't afford any connection whatsoever to such a tawdry tale. 

But there is also in Romney's remarks a clear hint of trying to make lemonade out of lemons.  Besides spotlighting his longtime wife ? "my sweetheart," he calls her ? and five sons, Romney has gone to great lengths during his run to make plain that he's not a career politician nor a creature of Washington. By tut-tutting Craig and construing his actions as yet another in a litany of Beltway transgression, Romney hopes to remind Republicans of the need for an outsider. 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0807/Romney_throws_Craig_under_bus.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070829/ap_on_go_co/craig_arrest

The river of denial runs deep in Idaho (Utah part II.)

i know, its pretty bad isn't it.  all this public denial doesn't make me believe it though

I think Mitt was doing that to really take a shot at Clinton (even though Bill isn't running).  Bill Maher said on Larry King he is super confident the repubs are going to attack hillary through Bill (make up a new story or drag something out of the closet).  And he thinks it'll work b/c of our f'ed up our country is.

I'm surprised he didn't say "Who are both Democrats" after that sentence.  :hihi:

Hillary's negatives are still really high, and that's trouble for her because she's a known commodity and won't likely be changing a lot of currently held notions about her. 

 

Romney is such a self-righteous douche. Possibly even more unlikeable than Bush.

What does it matter if the character lost the case?? What does the Nicholson line have to do with the entirety of my post?? I did not defend nor bash any political idiology.? The 1st. part of my post; I defended right versus wrong. Anyone trolling for sex in a public bathroom stall is sick and to be a public figure and be found guilty of it should be taken to the wood shed.? The 2nd. part of my post if read, dealt with a few posters who bash the US Military.? Did it mention IRAQ? No.? Even in Iraq I stand by my statement as posted.? I did say that I never noticed you or any of the guys who verbally spar through a computer screen about politics, bash the military.? It's directed at those who hate because they're envious and have no confidence in their own skin or countries to defend them.? As for you statement "But I don't want to know about it"? About what?? Someone doing right or wrong or someone wanting to serve in the military?? If it's the latter? then why post about it?
? ? ?There are no politics for thoughs who wear scars.? Politics is left for those who wear stars.? I have many scars "pal o mine"!
? ?

Sorry for the miscommunication, wasn't directly responding to your post - I just know a lot of people that always quote that part of the movie and act like the military can do whatever it wants simply b/c they are our protectors and doing the dirty things that us civs can't even comprehend.

Not a problem.? At first I was WTF but I figured I'd ask just to verify.? Thanks, yeah I know there are a few intentional miscommunicators out there.? Like I said also I was long winded and things tend to get lost in translation.? As of now I'm a civilian too.? ?Have a good one..

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/story?id=3538411&page=1

QFT

As are his children.  The whole Romney family is bland and unlikeable.

How he won the Iowa Straw Poll, I'll never figure out.

I thought the Mormons owned at least half of Iowa?

You must be thinking of Utah, brah.

GOP Senators Says Craig Should Resign 
 
Aug 29 03:56 PM US/Eastern
By DAVID ESPO
AP Special Correspondent       
 

?It Was Disgraceful?: McCain Calls for Craig to Resign

Craig: ?I Am Not Gay, and Never Have Been Gay?

Audio: ?Deeply Disturbed? Senator Coleman Says Craig Should Resign

 
  WASHINGTON (AP) - Two Senate Republican colleagues, including John McCain, called Wednesday for Sen. Larry Craig to resign. The White House, too, expressed disappointment in the case of the Idaho Republican caught in a men's room undercover police operation.
Arizona Sen. McCain and Norm Coleman of Minnesota, the state where Craig was arrested, became the first senators to join Rep. Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich., urging Craig's resignation.

McCain told CNN the decision was Craig's to make, "but my opinion is that when you plead guilty to a crime, you shouldn't serve. That's not a moral stand. That's not a holier-than-thou. It's just a factual situation."

"I think he should resign," McCain said.

Coleman said in a statement, "Senator Craig pled guilty to a crime involving conduct unbecoming a senator."

Hoekstra said Craig "represents the Republican party" and that "his conduct throughout this matter has been inappropriate for a U.S. senator."

Craig pleaded guilty in August to a charge of disorderly conduct following his arrest in a men's room at the Minneapolis airport. He said Tuesday he had done nothing wrong and was sorry he pleaded guilty.

Senate Republican leaders have called on the ethics committee to review Craig's case, and White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said he hoped the panel could do its work quickly.

Stanzel made no expression of support for Craig. "We are disappointed in the matter. It has been referred to the Senate Ethics Committee, so they will have to deal with it," he said.

There were other signs of difficulty for Craig.

Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, issued a statement calling on the senator to consider stepping down. The organization is a self- described conservative government watchdog group.

"Senator Craig admittedly engaged in illegal activity that brings serious disrepute to the public office he holds," Fitton said.

Fitton's suggestion that the senator leave office suggested tenuous support among conservatives who make up his core political supporters.

Craig, 62, a third-term senator up for re-election next year, defended himself Tuesday against a police report alleging he attempted to engage in a homosexual encounter with an undercover officer.

Flanked by his wife, Suzanne, Craig stated three times that he was not gay. He cast his arrest for lewd conduct as unfounded and his subsequent guilty plea to disorderly conduct as an error in judgment spurred by frustration with the state's biggest newspaper prying into his past.

The Idaho Statesman published a lengthy story on Tuesday, a day after the June 11 arrest was first reported, detailing allegations of homosexual behavior by Craig. The senator denied the allegations and contended the paper was engaged in a witch hunt. In a statement, the newspaper said its story spoke for itself.

"While I was not involved in any inappropriate conduct at the Minneapolis airport or anywhere else, I chose to plead guilty to a lesser charge in hopes of making it go away," Craig said. "It's clear, though, that through my actions I have brought a cloud over Idaho. For that, I ask the people of Idaho for their forgiveness."

The Idaho Republican Party took a measured, wait-and-see stance while Democrats remained mum, content to let Republicans sort through the fallout. The GOP's biggest names reminded voters of Craig's tenure in the Senate and his powerful seat on the Appropriations Committee.

"I would encourage all Idahoans to avoid rushing to judgment and making brash statements about a man who has dedicated his life to public service," GOP state party chairman Kirk Sullivan said in a statement.

Ignoring that plea, some social and religious conservatives and right- wing radio talk show hosts called for Craig's resignation. And political analysts said Craig will have trouble convincing Gem State voters that his 27-year political career is worth sparing.

In Idaho, with its 1.4 million people, politicians know many supporters by name. The state also likes its Republicans. The GOP controls the statehouse and Congress, and President Bush carried the state in 2004 with 68 percent of the vote.

More than 166,000 residents are Roman Catholic and more than 385,000 Mormon.

Republican leaders in the Senate called for an Ethics Committee review of the case.

"This is a serious matter," they said in a written statement issued in Washington over the names of Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the party leader, and several others.

Two Republicans seeking the party's presidential nomination didn't mince words. Mitt Romney, in whose campaign Craig was playing a prominent role until he quit amid the scandal, told CNBC, "He's disappointed the American people." McCain called for the resignation.

Craig signed a guilty plea on Aug. 1 and later paid $575 in fines and fees and was placed on unsupervised probation for a year.



 

That's Utah and Idaho.

Aren't Mormons and the Latter Day Saints responsible for Davey and Goliath show?

There's more to life than the 'tearoom trade'...

Our (not so) private Idahos
The Los Angeles Times
By David Ehrenstein
August 30, 2007

Gentle reader, by now you've probably read more than you ever nightmared you'd want to know about the latest Republican gay-sex scandal. The revelation that Idaho Sen. Larry Craig was caught allegedly trolling for sex in a Minnesota airport men's room in June comes on the heels of Florida state Rep. Robert Allen's July restroom arrest, making it reasonable to suspect that yet another GOP bathroom bust may burst forth by the time this Op-Ed article goes to press.

But barring further white-tiled tragedy, the all-too-obvious question remains, "What in the Sam Hill is going on here?" The answer rests on what can safely be described as bipartisan grounds.

To get there, let's climb into the Wayback Machine and return to Oct. 7, 1964. That's when Walter Jenkins, one of the most senior aides in President Lyndon B. Johnson's administration, was arrested for soliciting sex in the men's room of a Washington YMCA. Being that it was three weeks before the election, LBJ suspected some kind of Republican foul play, but the GOP chose not to exploit the incident.

The Jenkins affair put "homosexuality" on the nation's front pages in a way it hadn't been since Dr. Alfred Kinsey's famous report in 1948.

Like Craig, Jenkins could well have said he "wasn't gay." But who was in 1964? Then as now, if you were wealthy and well-connected, you could enjoy what's contemporarily referred to as a "gay lifestyle" with some ease -- and a soup?on of caution. For those less well-off, danger lurked. Sodomy laws were on the books. Bars and clubs catering to the same-sex-oriented were "speakeasy" affairs often run by Mafiosi who bribed the police to stay open. When the money didn't arrive on time or in insufficient quantity, such clubs were raided.

On June 28, 1969, when New York's far-from-fashionable Stonewall Inn was raided, the patrons responded by fighting the cops. Although gays and lesbians had resisted before (often right here in Los Angeles), this Manhattan uprising served to jump-start the modern phase of the gay rights movement.

That movement, with its defiant insistence on being free to be as gay as all-get-out, quickly left the likes of Walter Jenkins and, if the cops were right, Larry Craig in the dust. They're part of a subculture within a subculture that was memorably identified by the daring sociologist Laud Humphreys in a landmark sociological study titled "Tearoom Trade."

Taking his cue from Kinsey, Humphreys was fascinated with married-with-children men who didn't self-identify as gay or bisexual, yet still sought clandestine sex with other men on the side. Humphreys, when he began his research, was one of these I'm-not-gay(s) himself, though he eventually came out.

Published in 1970, "Tearoom Trade" is full of useful information about foot tapping, shoe touching, hand signaling and all the other rituals those so inclined use to make contact with one another in such places. Clearly no media outlet should be without a copy -- especially Slate.com, whose editors revealed their cluelessness on the subject this week in a "real time conversation" rife with unintentional hilarity: "I can't believe it's a crime to tap your foot." "Can someone explain the mechanics of how two people are supposed to commit a sex act in a stall where legs are visible from the knee down?"

As for the less blinkered among us, in the age of Ellen DeGeneres, Neil Patrick Harris, "Brokeback Mountain" and the smooching gay teens on "As the World Turns," bathroom cruisers seem almost antique.

Moreover, if what you're "proposing" falls well short of marriage, there's always the Internet. Larry Craig, meet Craigslist. In short, never has the admonition "Get a room!" seemed more apropos. It's up to the I'm-not-gay(s) to discover the real freedoms fought for and won by the people they so fiercely claim they're not.

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I was thinking to myself, once this old fogie generation of "I'm not gay"s are in their graves, we can finally live without the tearoom trade I would hope.

True, but there's a booming group of young religious right voters, who'll continue to hate gays.

this is very true, but i think we'll reach a level of tolerance eventually.  it might not be 100% acceptance, but more of a begrudging "fine, you're gay, do what you want, just don't come near me" type of attitude.

god its soooo f'ing stupid why anyone would care if two guys/two girls have sex with each other and want to say they are married.

There will always be a tearoom trade as long as people are always looking for things to frown upon.

I'd put down a hundred that in 50 years time stuff like kissing and hugging are the new gay and nigger.

Two guy & two girls isn't gay...it's a party!  :smoking:

yeah, I guess there will always be the religious conflict. What I personally hope will die out are the people who publicly denounce gays while being on the downlow.  It doesnt help gays, it "shames" the religious right,  and I'm sure the wife is feeling more than a little uneasy right now.  It may be a pipe dream, but I hope it will end.

Damn, you do have a peculiar taste.

Nah, never actually done that.  Just jokin' around.


I do feel sorry for his wife/family, for being forced into the spotlight and for having their relationships examined so publicly, but I'm willing to bet she/they share many of those same anti-gay views. 

As often as this has happened the last year or two, you'd think people would realize that what's best is for people to be themselves, and to be happy, rather than to hide behind a wall of anti-gay rhetoric, until they slip up, get caught, and have a family torn apart.  Of course, this doesn't solely apply to the GOP (former NJ governor, Jim McGreevey, for example).

This guy is not guilty of any crime.

He's gay and won't admit it.

Just come out of the closet.

soliciting for sex in a public bathroom is considered lewd behavior which is a crime.  right?

This is an appropriate compendium of your approach to political discussions: defending Republicans with simple, half-hearted platitudes with little regard for facts or details. 

Did you even read the story about this incident before deciding to comment?

Absolutely it sure is.

You can not suck dick at the airport bathroom.

By MATTHEW DALY, Associated Press Writer Thu Aug 30, 7:13 PM ET

WASHINGTON - The officer who arrested Sen. Larry Craig in a police undercover operation at an airport men's room accused the senator of lying to him during an interrogation afterward, according to an audiotape of the arrest.

On the tape, released Thursday by the Minneapolis Airport Police, the Idaho Republican in turn accuses the officer of soliciting him for sex.

"I'm not gay. I don't do these kinds of things," Craig told Sgt. Dave Karsnia minutes after the two men met in a men's room at the airport on June 11.

"You shouldn't be out to entrap people," Craig told the officer. "I don't want you to take me to jail."

Karsnia replied that Craig wouldn't be going to jail as long as he cooperated.

The two men disagreed about virtually everything that had occurred minutes earlier, including whether there was a piece of paper on the floor of the stall and the meaning of the senator's hand gestures. At no time did Craig admit doing anything wrong, although weeks later he pleaded guilty to a reduced misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct.

"You're not being truthful with me," Karsnia told Craig during the interrogation. "I'm kind of disappointed in you, senator."

Karsnia later told Craig he was "sitting here lying to a police officer," adding: "I expect this from the guy we get out of the 'hood. I mean people vote for you. Unbelievable."

Meanwhile, more of Craig's Republican colleagues moved away from him Thursday in the wake of his guilty plea earlier this month to a reduced charge of disorderly conduct in the undercover police operation aimed at sex solicitors.

Sen. John Ensign of Nevada, who chairs the GOP's senatorial campaign committee, stopped short of calling on Craig to resign but suggested strongly that he should.

"I wouldn't put myself hopefully in that kind of position, but if I was in a position like that, that's what I would do," Ensign told The Associated Press in his home state. "He's going to have to answer that for himself."

Sens. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., and Susan Collins, R-Maine, each turned over to charity $2,500 in campaign donations they had received from Craig's political action committee. Coleman and Collins both face potentially tough races for re-election next year.

Coleman and several other Republicans ? including Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. ? have called for Craig to resign his seat in the Senate. Craig already has agreed to a request by Republican leaders to give up his ranking status on the Veterans Affairs Committee and Appropriations subcommittees.

Craig said Tuesday he had committed no wrongdoing and shouldn't have pleaded guilty. He said he had only recently retained a lawyer to advise him in the case, which threatens to write an ignominious end to a lifetime in public office.

GOP Senate leaders said they did not act lightly in asking Craig to give up his leadership posts temporarily. But they said their decision was "in the best interest of the Senate until this situation is resolved by the ethics committee."

On the tape, Craig and the arresting officer can be heard arguing over what happened in the men's room minutes earlier. Craig acknowledges that the men's feet bumped but says nothing improper happened.

"Did we bump? Yes, I think we did. You said so. I don't disagree with that," Craig said.

But Craig disputes the officer's account that he swept his hand under the stall next to him in an apparent effort to advance the encounter. They even disagree whether Craig used his right hand or his left hand.

Craig said he was merely trying to pick up a piece of paper ? an account the officer disputes.

"I'm telling you that I could see, so I know that's your left hand. Also I could see a gold ring on this finger, so that's obvious it was the left hand," Karsnia tells Craig.

"Well we can dispute that," Craig says. "I'm not going to fight you in court. I reached down with my right hand to pick up the paper."

Karsnia said in a police report that he recognized Craig's hand gesture as a signal aimed at initiating sex. "It should be noted that there was not a piece of paper on the bathroom floor, nor did Craig pick up a piece of paper," he said in the report.

Karsnia, 29, joined the airport police department just out of college in 2000 and was promoted to sergeant in 2005. Last year, he earned a master's degree in criminal justice, leadership and education.

He has arrested at least a dozen men in the airport's bathroom for sending signals he believed were aimed at initiating sex. Each time, Karsnia walked suspects to a spot where they could speak privately, without embarrassing them, according to the police reports he wrote. He didn't handcuff them.

Meanwhile, Idaho Republican Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter told CNN that Craig's loss of his committee leadership posts was "problematic," adding: "I'm sure Larry and his family are going to take those things into consideration as they go forward with their decisions."

Rep. Mike Simpson, R-Idaho, said that "like most Idahoans, I was shocked by the allegations against Larry and by his guilty plea. However, I tend to judge people by the totality of their career and Senator Craig has been a dedicated public servant who has been an asset for Idaho for almost 30 years. At this time, I will not pass judgment on this matter."

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LOL, well, they seem scared of this thread that's for sure.

To be clear the crime he was accused of is "gross invasion of privacy". For example you're sitting on the toilet trying to pinch one off, and some Republican comes up to the crack in the door, opens his kisser and makes phallus-like motions with his index finger. He gets in the stall next to you, and proceeds to show case an assortment of hand gestures under the divider suggestive of sex acts. Finally he moves his foot over into your stall for a little confirmation.

Now, I don't know what airport toilets some of you have had the displeasure of using, but in the one's I've seen , there is an adequate amount of room between my feet and the queer Republican next to me. When somebody is using the bathroom stall, the law states he/she has a reasonable expectation of privacy, especially from Republican homosexuals. Mr. Craig was witnessed by a police officer, and rightfully charged for this infraction.

 I listened to the audio of his post arrest questioning, today, and it was fairly damning (at least politically).  The GOP supporters can't even argue that the guy was set up...how would a cop in a shitter know that (or expect) a US Senator would plop a squat next to him and try to get some tail?  This guy is completely done.

More amazing is how he could have just not said a word and just let his lawyers deal with it.  be safe to say we wouldn't be discussing it now.

unless he WANTED to get caught?  maybe he doesn't have to hide from what he is now.  its that part of it that is truly sad.  the man has probably lived his whole life as a lie.   :no:

I am not trying to defend him because he is a republican, I'm actually defending gays, whether they are in the closet or not.  What I am saying is that he did not commit any sex act, he made a suggestion. Look at it this way, is it a crime to tell a pretty girl she has a nice ass?

You are so quick to jump all over my ass when you think I am defending republicans. I am an independent thinker, no political party dictates my opinions. Also unlike yourself, I don't trash talk and attack those who disagree with me because they have a right to their opinions. What a novel idea....

As a matter of fact, it is.

? ? ?Now I myself often place my feet in a paper bag when in stalls just to keep my shoes clean and usually tidy up a bit.? If someone really needs to use the stall I'm in, how can I turn another who is in intestinal/bladder distress?? I let him in damn it and when that happens sometimes someone takes a shlong in the mouth but I know I did the right thing.? Honestly though if your going to bash a republicans then I say "I'M REPUBLICAN AND I'M LOUD AND I'M PROUD!"?
? ?This has turned into a funny thread.? It's common knowledge about rest stops and public bathrooms.? For instance Pennsyvania Station NYC NY.? We were part of prostitution/quality of life conditions team assigned to chase the pervs out on a daily basis.? On some nights you arrested the sick fucks and on others we just fucked with them.? It was like a game and they played along too.? If it were a night where you were going to the central booking then you best not run or belabor the point, you got arrested period.? The "johns" who were waiting for a train to go back to there families disgusted us and cried like babies.? At first you feel bad but then you say fuck em they're bringing the possiblity of diseases home.? These same guys usually were able to afford to pay some high priced guy or girl to meet them w/o a problem yet they chose Penn Station?
? ?Some were powerful people too judges doctors friends of politicians and of course the good reverend.? Some were able to weasel their way out through connections and start mouthing off and we were real cool with it especially after showing the person their picture next to their "friend" with their home address etc..and usually traced who got them off so they would cry again.? I wonder why we were eventually disbanded?? Too much OT and fun probably.
? ?We played sad face, happy face with some.? We would let them go (Happy Face) and then the Port Authority would take them in (Sad Face).? It had nothing to do with being gay either it was just wrong legally and wrong for the heath of all involved and their families.
? ? ?Plus if I had to go to the head, I would have to use locked hidden subway bathrooms or a friendly hotel or door man Eh not the actual doorman but the building he worked at.? The Helmsley Hotel was very good as was the Daily News and UPS if in the area.? I know it's cleaner now then back then but still, When I'm with my family and one of them has to use the bathroom, this shit stays in your head and you still can't let your kid go to a bathroom in an airport or train station alone. I don't know?? There's no politics when it comes to perversion but have at it because some of these post are funny.? Oh and by the way "solicitation for sex is a crime"? even if the act wasn't actually carried out.? The invasion of privacy or a persons space is pretty much summed up in harassment, it just depends on the degree.
? ?Now I have the urge to go to the bathroom and then afterwards get a blow job how queer?? Be gay and enjoy life smoke a fag and relax...Ok I'll stop now it's not funny anymore.

Form of harassment again depends on the degree

He is literally guilty of a crime.  Do you understand?

HEy now, Just cause u try to get a blowjob in the men's room, that doesn't make u gay.  Maybe the guy was very attractive.........

Good point good point...What are you wearing?

Regarding his excuse that he was picking up some paper, I'm a bit confused.  Are you telling me that a US Senators best excuse for his hand being down there, was that he was going to pick up some, filthy, piss dribbled on, piece of paper, off the floor of an airport mens room?  Because that's repulsive.  How about "I was retying my shoe." 

I wouldn't say that, while I have heard of the practice(George Micheal), I had no ideal it was a common practice.


I'm all for the administration starting a war on crappers.

I'm uncertain how they establish that he was trying to get some while in the bathroom, versus trying to pick someone up to leave the bathroom, go to a hotel/home, and then have "relations."

we have to fight them there, so they don't "come" here

stay the course, regardless of the size of your turd

Hate to "cut and run", but i got a plane to catch....

 :hihi:

Yeah well unfortunately I've had to car pool which means park and rides and rest stops.? I have seen the lot lizards in action and growing up in NYC some become more street wise to where to stay away from and then due to employment circumstances had to deal with it hands on (well that's sounds weird).? I'll say hands off if it'll make it sound better.? I guess big cities and airports deal with it more, but it's everywhere I'm sure I've traveled quite a bit and tend to be spatial on many fronts.? I'm sure it's everywhere in one form or another.
? ?What would use as weaponry:Daisey cutters, bumker busters or create a more family oriented bathroom.? Perhaps bring back the bathroom attendant with incentives? Maybe a third don't ask don't tell rest room.

When will candidate be asked if they have ever used signaling in a public bathroom and what would you do to stop the behavior found in recent scandals you have 90 seconds.

I feel bad for a deaf guy to try to communicate with someone re:hand towels and the dude pulls his pants down.?

Word has it the Senator has very pretty teeth.

ROTF, collateral damage.

Apparently L-Dog Craig will be resigning this next week.




By JOHN MILLER and MATTHEW DALY, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 2 minutes ago
 


BOISE, Idaho - Idaho Republican Sen. Larry Craig will resign from the Senate amid a furor over his arrest and guilty plea in a police sex sting in an airport men's room, Republican officials said Friday.

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Craig will announce at a news conference in Boise Saturday morning that he will resign effective Sept. 30, four state GOP officials told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Word of the resignation came four days after the disclosure that Craig had pleaded guilty to a reduced misdemeanor charge arising out of his June 11 arrest during a lewd-conduct investigation at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.

The three-term Republican senator had maintained that he did nothing wrong except for making the guilty plea without consulting a lawyer. But he found almost no support among Republicans in his home state or Washington.

Idaho Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter appeared Friday to have already settled on a successor: Lt. Gov. Jim Risch, according to several Republicans familiar with internal deliberations.

Craig's spokesman, Dan Whiting, had said earlier that the senator would announce his career plans Saturday. The spokesman would not say whether Craig intended to resign.

Craig has been out of public view since Tuesday, when he declared defiantly at a Boise news conference: "I am not gay. I never have been gay." But Republican sources in Idaho said he spent Friday making calls to top party officials, including the governor, gauging their support.

There has been virtually none publicly.

Asked Friday at the White House if the senator should resign, President Bush said nothing and walked off stage.

Republican officeholders and party leaders maintained a steady drumbeat of actions and words aimed at persuading Craig to vacate his Senate seat.

GOP lawmakers, hoping to get the embarrassment to the party behind them quickly, stripped Craig of leadership posts on Wednesday, one day after they called for an investigation of Craig's actions by the Senate Ethics Committee. Craig complied with the request.

With his wife, Suzanne, at his side, Craig said he had kept the incident from aides, friends and family and later pleaded guilty "in hopes of making it go away."

Craig, 62, has represented Idaho in Congress for more than a quarter-century and was up for re-election next year.

Republican officeholders and party leaders wanted Craig to give up his seat in the Senate as soon as possible. Their preference, according to several officials, was for a successor to be selected and ready to take the oath of office when the Senate returns from its summer vacation next week.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell called Craig's conduct "unforgivable" and acknowledged that many in the rank and file thought Craig should resign.

Republicans, worried about the scandal's effect on next year's election, suffered a further setback Friday when veteran Virginia Sen. John Warner announced he will retire rather than seek a sixth term. Democrats captured Virginia's other Senate seat from the GOP in the 2006 election and have sought to line up former Gov. Mark Warner to run if the seat became open.

The contest for control of the next Senate was already tilted against Republicans, who must defend 22 of 34 seats on the ballot next year, before the Craig scandal and Warner's announcement.

With a GOP candidate other than Craig, Republicans would stand a much better chance of keeping his Idaho seat in 2008. Idaho is one of the nation's most reliably Republican states. The GOP controls the statehouse and all four seats in Congress, and Bush carried the state in 2004 with 68 percent of the vote.

Risch, the lieutenant governor, served for seven months as governor last year after former Gov. Dirk Kempthorne was named interior secretary. Risch had said earlier he was interested in Craig's Senate seat if Craig did not seek re-election in 2008.

Rep. Mike Simpson, R-Idaho, also had been mentioned as a possible replacement for Craig, but the officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because Craig has not resigned, said Otter would choose Risch.

Mark Warbis, a spokesman for Otter, said the governor would not comment until he hears from Craig.

Craig served in the House before winning his first Senate term in 1990 and compiled a strongly conservative voting record.

On Thursday, the Minneapolis airport authorities released a tape recording of Craig's interrogation minutes after he encountered a plainclothes officer in an adjacent stall in an airport restroom.

Craig and airport police Sgt. Dave Karsnia disagreed about virtually everything that had occurred ? including whether there was a piece of paper on the floor of the stall and the meaning of the senator's hand gestures.

Craig denied that he had used foot and hand gestures to signal interest in a sexual encounter.

"I'm not gay. I don't do these kinds of things," Craig told the officer. "You shouldn't be out to entrap people."

Karsnia accused Craig of lying and grew exasperated with his denials.

"Embarrassing, embarrassing. No wonder why we're going down the tubes," Karsnia said.

Larry Craig Police Interrogation Audio (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xWjXedX7pLA&mode=related&search=)

The officer really reads him the riot act around 7:00 or so.

Being gay is about the worst possible offense you can commit as a Republican. Police could have found cut up bodies in his freezer and his support in the GOP wouldn't have eroded as quickly as it did for trying to score some cock in a bathroom. 

I don't know, one could be a closet commie.

That is like sooooooo 1953.

Craig rethinking resignation, spokesman says

BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, is reconsidering his decision to resign after his arrest in a Minnesota airport sex sting and may still fight for his Senate seat, his spokesman said Tuesday evening.

"It's not such a foregone conclusion anymore, that the only thing he could do was resign," said Sidney Smith, Craig's spokesman, in Idaho's capital.

"We're still preparing as if Senator Craig will resign September 30, but the outcome of the legal case in Minnesota and the ethics investigation will have an impact on whether we're able to stay in the fight -- and stay in the Senate."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/04/craig.reconsider.ap/index.html

I should have put a smiley afterward. what I meant was that some Repubs would be more upset  if one of their own were discovered to be communist, than if one were found to have "cut up bodies in his freezer".

Craig is doing a great job of keeping this story alive.

Craig reversal angers GOP colleagues

By: Carrie Budoff Brown and Jim VandeHei
Sep 4, 2007 09:53 PM EST
 


Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) stunned Senate colleagues with his decision to reconsider.
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Just when Republicans thought things could not get much worse for their scandal-stained party, Idaho Sen. Larry Craig leaked word Tuesday night that he is reconsidering his abrupt plan to resign from the Senate in the wake of his arrest in a police sex sting operation.

Top Republican strategists were neither delighted nor amused by the senator's decision to rethink retirement after pleading guilty to disorderly conduct following his arrest in a Minnesota airport men's bathroom.

GOP Senate sources said Tuesday night that Craig's staff was trying to tamp down the story because Craig still intends to resign but wants to retain the option of fighting the charges with a newly assembled, high-powered legal team.

On Saturday, Craig said he would resign at the end of this month.

A senior GOP Senate strategist said Republican leaders want him gone now and will press for him to keep his promise to resign. The strategist warned Craig is "losing any goodwill built up among his colleagues," adding, "He is simply a fish out of water, floundering right now to get his last gasp of political air."

"It simply defies reality," said a Senate GOP aide. "You can't make this up even if you are heavily medicated. The American people heard from Larry Craig that he would resign, and using the word 'intent' as a back door doesn't work with them."

But Tuesday night, spokesman Dan Whiting said Craig might not resign if he is cleared of the charges before Sept. 30. Legal experts said it is doubtful Craig will be cleared because he pleaded guilty to the charge.

The unexpected announcement caught fellow GOP senators ? and members of Craig's own crisis management team ? mostly by surprise and threatened to draw negative attention to the party at a time when it is preparing for big fights over the budget and the Iraq war.

"I think the episode is over," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said during a press conference earlier in the day. "We will have a new senator from Idaho at some point in the next month or so, and we are going to move on."

McConnell wasn't the only one left in the dark about Craig's apparent new strategy. Craig has hired a team of lawyers and crisis experts to push ahead with a strategy aimed at repairing the three-term senator's reputation.

Washington attorney Stanley Brand said Tuesday that the Senate Ethics Committee would receive a letter arguing that it should drop any plans to pursue an investigation into Craig's arrest in a men's room at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.

"I don't think the Senate ought to be policing misdemeanor offenses that don't have anything to do with their office," Brand said. "They would be very busy."

Senate Republican leaders called for an ethics investigation last Tuesday into Craig's June 11 arrest and Aug. 8 guilty plea.

But Craig has since announced his resignation, making a probe moot, Brand said.

"I am taking it as part of the good-faith exchange of his having resigned and sparing everybody the difficult questions I am raising," Brand said. But now the resignation might be moot, too.

The GOP Senate strategist said senators are frustrated they will now spend another day or more deflecting questions about Craig and his bathroom behavior. McConnell got a taste of what's to come at a press conference he held Tuesday.

Why, he was asked, did the GOP leadership seek an ethics investigation of Craig while giving a pass to Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) after he acknowledged in July that his phone number was among those on the
client list of an alleged prostitution ring?

"No charges have been made," McConnell said of Vitter. "And it appears whatever might have occurred, occurred before this individual came to the Senate, therefore raising serious questions as to whether the Senate has jurisdiction over it.

"The situation last week was, there was something admitted to; the legal case was, in effect, over," McConnell continued. "The only question was what the attitude was going to be in the Senate regarding
the admission that was made. It is clearly distinguishable."

McConnell was pressed again: Were the responses different because the Craig incident involved alleged homosexual activity?

"This had to do with the admission of responsibility as opposed to charges or suggestions," McConnell said.

He rejected suggestions that the Craig and Vitter incidents, coupled with the FBI raid of the home of Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) in late July as part of a federal corruption probe, have contributed to Congress' sub-basement approval ratings or soiled the Republican Party brand.

"The overwhelming majority of members of Congress, both Republican and Democrat, are honorable people," McConnell said.

But the honorable thing for Craig to do, the strategist said, is simply disappear.
 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/5652.html

LOL, leave it to this guys to keep his hat in the ring. I hope he stays in, it will represent the underlying problem with this group (Although the remainder of his party are wishing he would go away)...hubris.

I don't think he will stay in. He will be shown how damaging it will be to the party. If he does, it demonstrates his contempt for the party that he has for so long, been a part.

 :o

Craig supporters call for boycott of Minneapolis airport
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

BATTLE GROUND, Wash. -- Supporters of Sen. Larry Craig with the American Land Rights Association are calling for a boycott of the Minneapolis-Saint Paul Airport.

The Battle Ground (Washington) based association says airport police who arrested the senator in a men's room sex sting are responsible for weakening private property rights in the West. Craig is a Republican member of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee.

The American Land Rights Association, which has an office in Washington, D-C, advocates for the use of federal lands and against what it calls federal "land grabs."

The association says the airport should apologize to Craig for what it calls "ambushing" the senator.

Craig is trying to withdraw his guilty plea in the Minnesota case, and if he can do that he would change his mind about resigning.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_WA_Craig_Land_Rights.html

Hey Hey All He's doing is trying to keep his seat or perhaps he's just....stalling.? There's no reason to start stomping your feet over it because we know where that will lead.? Now that's a mouth full.

I wonder for what purpose they want to use the lands? :hihi:

Protesters rush to support Craig...

(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3404/kamilbp6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

I can't even figure out the associations real purpose because of the spintering, let alone why the group is in the fore front standing up for the Senator?? It's a real whirling dervish of a group...Whatever suits their needs I guess.? How much funding do these groups get from the govt. and do they really serve a purpose?? Whatever the political action or advocating may be how many really deserve funding?  Maybe none of them do?

Really if one takes Sen. Craig's hypocrisy out of the equation, he was/is being treated very poorly. There are a lot of Congressmen who have done a lot worse and suffered far less.

I agree, and I'm still uncertain as to how they know he was trying to get some IN the bathroom, versus trying to pick up AT the bathroom, to go elsewhere.  How is that established? 

They couldn't establish that, they only got him on disorderly conduct.

I assume the hand under the stall part was the disorderly conduct, then?  Certainly not the foot tapping! 

In any case, this whole incident should trigger a world-wide directive to implement George Costanza's brilliant idea of lowering toilet stall walls down to the floor.

Are they boycotting the airport or just the bathrooms? :hihi: ::)

Really, it's the gift that keeps giving..for the Dems anyway.

http://crackle.com/c/Moving_Targets/Sen._Craigs_New_Music_Video/2048231/#ml=fi%3D%26fpl%3D223789%26o%3D12

Nice!

So Sen. Craig is going to finish his term.

This may hurt the GOP in Nov.

He's not gay now!

I just found this.. pretty funny!!!

http://www.ep.tc/larrycraigmask

Anybody catch the interview with Matt Lauer?

Wonder if his wife really believed it, or just acting?

I saw the parts on the Daily Show...right before R. Kelly impersonator.  :hihi:

and the saga continues!


http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/02/craig.sex.allegations/

A queen from the stone age...

At some point (and we've passed that point) this doesn't really matter.  What happened before was a matter of lawbreaking...this is a matter of privacy.  His sex life doesn't concern me.  It's a shame that he doesn't realize that no one else's concerns him.

It only concerns me if one takes a stance against homosexuality, while being an active participant in at at the same time.